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| twobobbler | rooted and booted, the white 4.1.1 tablet brick is in my power... | 00:23 |
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| twobobbler | *look deep into my code, you are feeling likely to get a new operating system* | 00:23 |
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| sledges | twobobbler: ^_^ | 06:06 |
| twobobbler | sledges :D | 06:06 |
| * sledges turns over | 06:06 | |
| sledges | z) | 06:06 |
| * twobobbler does amusing dance moves | 06:06 | |
| twobobbler | so I rooted the tablet | 06:06 |
| twobobbler | ViVante GC1000 GPU | 06:07 |
| sledges | \o/ | 06:07 |
| twobobbler | heh | 06:07 |
| twobobbler | got shh | 06:07 |
| sledges | \z/ | 06:07 |
| twobobbler | been digging around, seems up for the job | 06:07 |
| sledges | is it kindle paperwhite? | 06:07 |
| twobobbler | pretty much just waiting on some libhybris docs now I guess | 06:08 |
| sledges | u talkin abput | 06:08 |
| sledges | does cm10.x exist for it? | 06:08 |
| twobobbler | rooted that two weeks ago. this is a generic white tablet for the purposes of trying out some alternate OS's | 06:08 |
| twobobbler | doubtful | 06:08 |
| sledges | ok ;) | 06:08 |
| twobobbler | its a no name | 06:09 |
| sledges | maybe can find ref hw cm | 06:09 |
| twobobbler | perhaps so | 06:09 |
| twobobbler | hmmm good call | 06:09 |
| twobobbler | I checked out http://wiki.cyanogenmod.org/w/ClockWorkMod_Instructions before I rooted it the hard way | 06:10 |
| twobobbler | will revist that, | 06:10 |
| twobobbler | but yeah. just brushing up on my knowledge now - getting ready to do a few alternate OS's for it | 06:11 |
| twobobbler | Android, Tizen, Nemo, Ubuntu mobile would be a nice quad boot to start off with ;) | 06:12 |
| twobobbler | not that I want much ;P | 06:12 |
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| locusf | morning all | 06:30 |
| twobobbler | ohmygosh it is already ! doh | 06:30 |
| tbr | good moaning | 06:30 |
| twobobbler | *tries to look asleep* | 06:30 |
| twobobbler | and morning :) | 06:30 |
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| deztructor | sledges: faenil just woke up and have a breakfast :) it seems today I'd move to office: roof renovation is going on with a lot of noise :/ but you can ask me whatever you want :) i reply asap | 06:42 |
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| fk_lx | hi | 07:07 |
| * Stskeeps has a damn throat infection that he likely got from his kiddo who got it from his grandmother.. | 07:07 | |
| * fk_lx pats Stskeeps | 07:10 | |
| fk_lx | ;-) | 07:10 |
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| lpotter | Stskeeps: garagle with warm salt water | 07:31 |
| lpotter | gargle | 07:31 |
| faenil | deztructor, thank you ;) | 07:36 |
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| stephg | morning! | 08:11 |
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| faenil | o/ | 08:12 |
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| sledges | deztructor: many thanks | 09:28 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | so I used the ubiboot method to boot nemo | 11:17 |
| MFaro-Tusino | (just because it was prettier | 11:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *prettier) | 11:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | but it seems Nemo won't boot at all - despite all the files being there | 11:18 |
| sledges | ubiboot config ok? | 11:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I think so - I'm yet to check | 11:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | though when I did the -l -b load of the moslo it didn't boot after that | 11:18 |
| sledges | how does it not boot? | 11:19 |
| sledges | :) | 11:19 |
| MFaro-Tusino | so i have a feeling it is something in the nemo side | 11:19 |
| MFaro-Tusino | It shows moslo, I press vol-, screen is blank, stays blank, if i plug in to see if LED light is responsive - it boots up (meaning it was off) | 11:20 |
| sledges | every time? | 11:20 |
| MFaro-Tusino | the 5 times I tried, yes | 11:21 |
| sledges | normally it needs a bit of massaging | 11:21 |
| sledges | oh ok | 11:21 |
| sledges | have you untarred everything correctly? | 11:21 |
| MFaro-Tusino | tar -xvf /path/of/nemorootfs.tar.baz2 -C /path/to/Alt_OS --numeric-owner is what I used | 11:21 |
| MFaro-Tusino | (Did that as root) | 11:22 |
| Stskeeps | is your Alt_OS by accident mounted nosuid or nodev | 11:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | how do I check stskeeps? | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | 'mount' | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | hahaha | 11:23 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps: that applies only to platform sdk iirc | 11:23 |
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| Stskeeps | sledges: not really, no | 11:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:23 |
| sledges | ah ;) | 11:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | well with ubiboot everything is mounted, but I will try manually mounting it | 11:24 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps: MFaro-Tusino: hmph, my one is mounted nosuid,nodev | 11:26 |
| sledges | but never had problems re-extracting et al | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | baad idea | 11:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:26 |
| sledges | how come it all worked? | 11:27 |
| sledges | w/o suid bits | 11:27 |
| MFaro-Tusino | mounted fine | 11:27 |
| sledges | (needs to find a suid bit file in rootfs - hints? ;)) | 11:27 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: dose it have nosuid,nodev in mount opts? | 11:27 |
| MFaro-Tusino | no | 11:27 |
| sledges | ok then | 11:28 |
| sledges | try this | 11:28 |
| sledges | mkdir /tmp/nemo; cd /tmp/nemo; sudo tar --numeric-owner -xf <path-to>/nemo-n950-rnd-20131120.tar.bz2; sudo rsync -rlpgovc --delete /tmp/nemo/ /media/Alt_OS/ | 11:28 |
| sledges | you should see what files will be rewritten (in case they got corrupted, if any) | 11:28 |
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| sledges | so if Alt_OS is mounted with nosuid,nodev; how come I'm seeing this: -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 39948 Oct 23 17:02 mount | 11:30 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: ^ | 11:30 |
| sledges | magic :D | 11:31 |
| stephg | sledges, the flag may still be present but isn't 'enforced'? | 11:33 |
| sledges | ook | 11:34 |
| stephg | can you change it? | 11:34 |
| stephg | if you can't, that'd probably be it | 11:34 |
| stephg | as for finding files, find(1) is your friend :) | 11:35 |
| sledges | stephg: https://pastee.org/8dvs4 | 11:35 |
| sledges | :( | 11:35 |
| sledges | i can change it | 11:35 |
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| stephg | that is very strange | 11:37 |
| sledges | some posix violations under Arch Linux? %) | 11:37 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | no files re-written sledges | 11:40 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: :( | 11:40 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: try ls -l /bin/su | 11:40 |
| sledges | (that of Alt_OS that is) | 11:40 |
| MFaro-Tusino | in nemo? | 11:40 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yeah cool | 11:40 |
| MFaro-Tusino | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root wheel 17232 15 Jul 05:55 /Volumes/Alt_OS/bin/su | 11:42 |
| sledges | ah | 11:42 |
| sledges | MacOS | 11:42 |
| sledges | ;) | 11:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | well i was using a ubuntu vm | 11:42 |
| sledges | to untar? | 11:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yes | 11:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | flashing via mac, untar on ubuntu | 11:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | untiring on OSX gave me permission errors yesterday | 11:43 |
| sledges | you can also flash via ubuntu if you "catch" on time | 11:43 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i know - thats how I used to do it - but I just go OSX because it is easier haha | 11:43 |
| sledges | *ubuntu vm | 11:45 |
| sledges | now i don't know why it doesnt boot | 11:45 |
| sledges | which image are you using? | 11:45 |
| MFaro-Tusino | weird, dmesg says that the linux fs (nemo ) is at sub, but sudo mount /dev/sdb /mount/point gives me mount:no medium found on /dev/sdb | 11:45 |
| MFaro-Tusino | nemo-n950-rnd-20131120 | 11:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *sdb not sub | 11:46 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: hang on, which moslo are you using | 11:48 |
| sledges | are you using overriden zImage ? | 11:48 |
| sledges | as per instructions | 11:48 |
| sledges | on wiki | 11:48 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i am using ubiboot | 11:48 |
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| sledges | yes, but you said you tried with moslo single boot too | 11:49 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yes umm one second | 11:50 |
| sledges | 11:19 < MFaro-Tusino> though when I did the -l -b load of the moslo it didn't boot after that | 11:50 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I was using the zImage I had a while ago, (around 6-8 months back) - should I be using a newer one? | 11:50 |
| sledges | yes | 11:51 |
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| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Single_Boot_by_Loading_The_Kernel_.28TRY_THIS_FIRST.29 | 11:51 |
| sledges | from rcg ;) | 11:51 |
| MFaro-Tusino | is the initrd-moslo okay? | 11:53 |
| sledges | yes | 11:54 |
| rcg | yay, that repository is useful :) | 11:58 |
| sledges | rcg: you have no idea :D | 11:58 |
| rcg | :D | 11:58 |
| MFaro-Tusino | trying with that moslo now | 12:01 |
| sledges | go gadget go :) | 12:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | lets see.... | 12:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | okay so i got the memo boot image | 12:05 |
| sledges | \o_ | 12:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | which is where i got to yesterday, but then it stopped | 12:05 |
| sledges | _o_ | 12:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | so not counting my lucky stars yet | 12:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | YAY!!!! | 12:05 |
| sledges | \o/ | 12:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I see pretty icons | 12:05 |
| sledges | good stuff :)) | 12:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Glacier UI icons? | 12:06 |
| sledges | yes | 12:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Thanks for the help sledges :) You're awesome | 12:06 |
| sledges | glad I could help | 12:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Now time to upgrade it to sailfish :p hehe | 12:06 |
| sledges | was about to ask what's next :P | 12:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | next is working out why it won't unlock the screen haha | 12:07 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: wiki :P | 12:07 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Wayland.2FQt5 | 12:07 |
| MFaro-Tusino | rebooting to get it to work | 12:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | so I can't ubiboot then right? | 12:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Need to flash the zImage you gave me? | 12:08 |
| sledges | yes | 12:08 |
| sledges | just put it to ubiboot | 12:08 |
| sledges | possession | 12:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | explain? (n00b with ubiboot) | 12:08 |
| sledges | to use that kernel for nemo | 12:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | edit the config file right? | 12:09 |
| sledges | how did you enable ubiboot to get to moslo? | 12:09 |
| Morpog_N9 | yep | 12:09 |
| * sledges hides as someone who never used ubiboot %) | 12:09 | |
| MFaro-Tusino | i wasn't :p was just using flasher -l -b to load the kernel manualy | 12:09 |
| sledges | over to you Morpog_N9 :D | 12:09 |
| Morpog_N9 | no no no :) | 12:10 |
| sledges | :D you don't even have nemo on your N9 ;)) | 12:10 |
| Morpog_N9 | never used it too, but helped someone with same error last night | 12:10 |
| Morpog_N9 | or the night before | 12:10 |
| sledges | i think MFaro-Tusino never got ubiboot setup for nemo at all | 12:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i followed the instructions it told me :/ | 12:11 |
| Morpog_N9 | just edit ubiboot.conf | 12:11 |
| sledges | rtfm needed | 12:11 |
| MFaro-Tusino | http://wiki.maemo.org/Ubiboot#Install_Nemo_Mobile_OS | 12:11 |
| sledges | i think you are done with ^ MFaro-Tusino | 12:13 |
| sledges | you need to go ahead with http://wiki.maemo.org/Ubiboot#Flash_the_Device_with_Ubiboot-02 | 12:13 |
| sledges | and it should *just work* | 12:13 |
| sledges | xD | 12:13 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i did that dude - I am not that retarded | 12:13 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I have been hacking on N9 for a while | 12:13 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I just need to edit conf i am pretty sure | 12:14 |
| sledges | is not that simple, and im certain you know what you are doing mate | 12:15 |
| MFaro-Tusino | If I had just used the moslo directly in the first place, and not listened to people who said go with ubiboot, i would have been done so much sooner hah | 12:16 |
| sledges | config needs to be edited only if you see portions of splashscreen, but nemo continues to load | 12:17 |
| sledges | from you i understood that attempts to load nemo from ubiboot were advancing even less | 12:17 |
| sledges | (if at all) | 12:17 |
| MFaro-Tusino | seems nemo loaded this time :/ | 12:18 |
| MFaro-Tusino | though it is laggy to th point where I can't enable wifi to ssh in | 12:19 |
| sledges | laggy from ubiboot? | 12:23 |
| sledges | then config file time ;) | 12:23 |
| sledges | which says things about mem :) | 12:23 |
| sledges | you can try typing `free` in fingerterm for a laugh | 12:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | i wish i could even get to the point where it opened a terminal sledges :p | 12:24 |
| sledges | :)) | 12:25 |
| sledges | you can ssh via cable | 12:25 |
| MFaro-Tusino | do i not need to enable ssh via cable though in memo? | 12:25 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *nemo | 12:25 |
| sledges | no | 12:25 |
| MFaro-Tusino | okay cool | 12:25 |
| sledges | ssh over usb is always on | 12:25 |
| MFaro-Tusino | 192.168.2.15 i assume? | 12:26 |
| sledges | yes | 12:27 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | memo for user and password? | 12:31 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *nemo | 12:31 |
| MFaro-Tusino | bloody os x auto correct | 12:31 |
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| sledges | yes | 12:38 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | it won't ssh - erghh | 12:44 |
| sledges | O_o | 12:44 |
| MFaro-Tusino | telnet doesn't seem to do anything eithet | 12:44 |
| sledges | ubuntu vm? | 12:44 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *either | 12:44 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yes | 12:44 |
| sledges | hmph | 12:44 |
| sledges | ping ? | 12:45 |
| MFaro-Tusino | dmesg registers it as being attached | 12:45 |
| sledges | ifconfig in order? | 12:45 |
| sledges | networkmanager might have shuffled your cards | 12:45 |
| MFaro-Tusino | http://wiki.maemo.org/Ubiboot#Install_Nemo_Mobile_OS | 12:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ergh | 12:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ping 192.168.2.15 | 12:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | PING 192.168.2.15 (192.168.2.15) 56(84) bytes of data. | 12:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ^C | 12:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | --- 192.168.2.15 ping statistics --- | 12:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | 51 packets transmitted, 0 received, 100% packet loss, time 50185ms | 12:46 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: ifconfig usb0 | 12:47 |
| sledges | (use pastee pls) | 12:47 |
| MFaro-Tusino | http://pastebin.kde.org/pgu0ypo3d | 12:48 |
| sledges | so where is your ip? ;) | 12:48 |
| sledges | ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 | 12:48 |
| sledges | must be the networkmanager resetting it | 12:48 |
| sledges | if so, remedy: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking | 12:48 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | next problem hahah | 12:58 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.14 port 22: Connection refused | 12:58 |
| sledges | nmap 192.168.2.14 | 12:59 |
| sledges | probably sshd did not start because of out-of-memory.. | 12:59 |
| sledges | anyway, congrats now you've learnt to ssh in a (working) nemo (in the future) :) | 12:59 |
| sledges | time to see that ubiboot config | 12:59 |
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| wazd | hey people | 13:01 |
| MFaro-Tusino | http://pastebin.kde.org/pgni5gjqu | 13:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ^ mmap output | 13:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *nmap | 13:02 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: you have some same subnets | 13:02 |
| sledges | nemo is not hosting http server ;) | 13:02 |
| sledges | try http://192.168.2.14 in your host browser :D | 13:03 |
| sledges | see what you see | 13:03 |
| sledges | wazd: \o | 13:03 |
| MFaro-Tusino | problem loading page | 13:03 |
| MFaro-Tusino | can't establish connection | 13:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | running nmap again, after doing ifconfig again, I get this | 13:04 |
| MFaro-Tusino | http://pastebin.kde.org/pmy9jwnc1 | 13:04 |
| sledges | right | 13:04 |
| sledges | oh well, see my line before about oom | 13:05 |
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| sledges | if your network is ok | 13:05 |
| sledges | (80, 8080 !? :D) | 13:05 |
| MFaro-Tusino | oom? | 13:10 |
| sledges | out-of-memory | 13:10 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ahh | 13:10 |
| MFaro-Tusino | so i need to reboot and allow ubiboot to export partitions and edit the conf? | 13:11 |
| sledges | i guess so, Morpog_N9 ? | 13:11 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I think I will just ref lash, and go straight to moslo | 13:25 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: why? reboot and edit config | 13:26 |
| MFaro-Tusino | what am i supposed to edit? | 13:27 |
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| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland#Boot_:_ubiboot__.28ONLY_NEEDED_FOR_UBIBOOT_0.3.4_OR_OLDER.29 | 13:30 |
| Morpog_N9 | exactly that | 13:39 |
| Morpog_N9 | only change that line with ram | 13:39 |
| MFaro-Tusino | well I must have the new ubiboot | 13:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | because it''s there | 13:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | kind of | 13:42 |
| MFaro-Tusino | http://pastebin.kde.org/pnhio6bia | 13:42 |
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| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: that doesnt look like /boot/ubiboot.conf | 13:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | its part of it | 13:46 |
| sledges | juiceme: ^ | 13:46 |
| sledges | ah | 13:46 |
| sledges | can I see G_NEMO_INITSCRIPT ? | 13:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | That is G_OS3_INITSCRIPT="\/sbin\/init" | 13:46 |
| sledges | it should read NEMO in latest ubiboot | 13:47 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | you 100% sure? Because I downloaded that less than 6 hours ago using the link given on Wiki.maemo.org | 13:48 |
| sledges | im not 100% sure, but I see a patch and expect that; unless things changed even more. if you are sure OS3 is nemo, put that cmdline in | 13:49 |
| sledges | (add \ vram\=6m\ omapfb.vram\=0\:6M ) | 13:50 |
| sledges | ah, it's already added with _APPENDS (dog) | 13:51 |
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| sledges | (doh) :D | 13:51 |
| * sledges close enough %) | 13:51 | |
| MFaro-Tusino | correct - you see what I mean now | 13:51 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: can be that "slowness" is because of "frozen homescreen bug" | 13:52 |
| sledges | as per text in red https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Wayland.2FQt5 | 13:52 |
| sledges | (not on every boot) | 13:52 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I assume so - but I can't ssh in to find out | 13:53 |
| MFaro-Tusino | so far its been every boot | 13:53 |
| sledges | just boot via moslo | 13:53 |
| sledges | you said that worked fine | 13:53 |
| MFaro-Tusino | no that got stuck too (well on lock screen) | 13:53 |
| sledges | try moslo | 13:53 |
| sledges | to ssh | 13:53 |
| sledges | frozen screen does not affect sshd starting | 13:54 |
| MFaro-Tusino | okay | 13:55 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | yay i am in! | 13:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Time to follow the unfreeze instructions | 13:57 |
| sledges | \yay/ | 13:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Turns out sshd doesn't like mac | 13:58 |
| MFaro-Tusino | and it was defaulting to mac everytime | 13:58 |
| sledges | <- what he said | 13:58 |
| MFaro-Tusino | So set the vm to e default and it worked | 13:58 |
| sledges | we had sandy_locke with same probs.. | 13:58 |
| MFaro-Tusino | hence why before i had to use ifconfig as mac would take over after 30secs | 13:58 |
| Hurrian | Anyone have the battery indicator working right? | 14:00 |
| sledges | Hurrian: nope | 14:00 |
| Hurrian | looks like the move to statefs broke it | 14:01 |
| sledges | hang on | 14:01 |
| Hurrian | I got sounds and haptics working though, and I'm a happy-enough camper. | 14:01 |
| sledges | do we have an indicator? :D | 14:01 |
| sledges | ah, sailfish.. | 14:02 |
| locusf | sledges: so about label .. I repushed the commit removing the bits about alignment | 14:02 |
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| sledges | locusf: everything merged already | 14:02 |
| sledges | ;) | 14:02 |
| locusf | oh | 14:02 |
| locusf | ok thanks :) | 14:02 |
| MFaro-Tusino | ergggh - ubuntu is not taking input in terminal trying to do the zipper command, I swear - nothing is in my fvour today | 14:03 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Of course, I am limited to what I can do to unfreeze, seeing as I can't enable wifi | 14:05 |
| Hurrian | MFaro-Tusino: you can't enable WiFi? | 14:06 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I can't do anything UI related, so if you can tell me how to enable wifi using terminal, that would be great | 14:06 |
| Hurrian | MFaro-Tusino: I prepared my Nemofish by starting from SourenAraya's 0.0.2 image, then running the n950club steps on top of it. | 14:07 |
| Hurrian | I made sure to pin ngfd-related packages so that sounds etc work. | 14:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | See, I tried using the 0.0.2 image yesterday, but it didn't boot | 14:08 |
| Hurrian | I have not run zypper dup to downgrade to the mer-core that Sailfish ships, just to note. | 14:08 |
| MFaro-Tusino | do i extract it just like normal nemo roots? | 14:08 |
| Hurrian | I'll backup, pin more packages, then run the distribution upgrade tomorrow. | 14:08 |
| Hurrian | Yep, you just extract the bz2 somewhere. | 14:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | okay | 14:10 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I will try that again | 14:10 |
| Hurrian | Just one issue that I have on my device is that certain things think the N9 is on horizontal orientation. | 14:10 |
| Hurrian | I guess it must be holdovers from the N950 port. | 14:10 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yeah, I have heard that even N950 has orientation issues, so gestures are weird | 14:11 |
| Hurrian | The notification bar, WiFi connection dialog and push areas are all rotated. If anyone can point me to a solution, that'd be nice | 14:11 |
| Hurrian | Push gesture orientation works just fine on SourenAraya's 0.0.2 image, it somehow broke in between. | 14:12 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: network manager takes over, now that you sorted mac | 14:13 |
| sledges | just whenever it freezes, type ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.15 in another window | 14:13 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I did | 14:13 |
| sledges | to save all activities, run in screen session too | 14:13 |
| MFaro-Tusino | but still limited due to no wifi :p | 14:13 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: | 14:14 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking | 14:14 |
| sledges | to do "internet connection sharing" :)) | 14:14 |
| Hurrian | sledges: and make sure to add default gw and nameserver to resolv.conf too ;) | 14:14 |
| sledges | eh the guy from yesterday didn't do that &) | 14:15 |
| MFaro-Tusino | So that will share the internet from my PC to N9? | 14:15 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: yes | 14:15 |
| MFaro-Tusino | interesting, didn't know it could work the other way. Knew you could use phone as Modem for PC | 14:15 |
| sledges | anything can work in linux world *g* | 14:15 |
| Hurrian | sledges: BTW, what's broken with the camera under Wayland? IIRC it's broken under Nemo too. | 14:15 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: refresh page ;) | 14:16 |
| sledges | Hurrian: gst plugin ? | 14:16 |
| Hurrian | ah, yep, camerabin tells me plugin's "missing" | 14:16 |
| MFaro-Tusino | okay so 15 mins later of reconnecting Nemo to ubuntu VM - I think i've done it | 14:32 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps: 14:45 < module000> sledges: also, the man page says it doens't allow the bits to take effect - not that they aren't still settable/readable | 14:46 |
| sledges | the suid bit | 14:46 |
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| xavinux | Hi people | 15:18 |
| faenil | xavinux, hi :) | 15:21 |
| xavinux | faemil: how are you | 15:21 |
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| sledges | xavinux: 100years! | 15:26 |
| sledges | :) | 15:26 |
| xavinux | hey sledges, howa are you, please to meet you again!....yes seems to be 100 year ago :) | 15:27 |
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| faenil | xavinux, fine, fine :) | 15:31 |
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| sledges | busy times xavinux :) how have you been? | 15:54 |
| xavinux | very busy times here too... | 15:57 |
| xavinux | and how does the new Nemo UX project goes sledges? | 15:58 |
| sledges | some great progress in design and components | 15:58 |
| sledges | slowed down lately | 15:59 |
| sledges | but recently nemo's installation and hardware adaptation bug hunt got fuelled by Nemofish interest ;) | 15:59 |
| xavinux | ah ok | 16:00 |
| xavinux | Nemofish? | 16:01 |
| xavinux | sorry out of date.... | 16:01 |
| sledges | Sailfish on Nemo (N9/950) | 16:02 |
| vgrade | \o | 16:03 |
| vgrade | what package sets /home/nemo to 10000:10000 | 16:04 |
| vgrade | during mic install | 16:05 |
| sledges | vgrade: would rpm -qf /home/nemo | 16:05 |
| sledges | work? | 16:05 |
| vgrade | sledges: it would | 16:05 |
| xavinux | sledeges: so working on running Sailfish on the N9? | 16:06 |
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| Stskeeps | vgrade: mic itself | 16:07 |
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| vgrade | Stskeeps: interesting | 16:07 |
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| sledges | xavinux: many people around are working on that yes :) | 16:15 |
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| xavinux | great | 16:19 |
| xavinux | sledges: something I can do to help? | 16:19 |
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| sledges | xavinux: restore your blog? ;) | 16:24 |
| sledges | it lost some nice articles | 16:24 |
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| xavinux | sledges: which ones? | 16:25 |
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| sledges | xavinux: this one e.g. http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/installing-nemo-i486-vm_18.html | 16:28 |
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| xavinux | sledges: see http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/installing-nemo-vm-on-virtualbox.html | 16:35 |
| sledges | ah ;) | 16:36 |
| sledges | I'll adjust :) | 16:36 |
| sledges | thanks! | 16:36 |
| xavinux | :) | 16:36 |
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| sledges | xavinux: how are you doing hardware-wise? | 16:41 |
| xavinux | sledges: what do you need me to do with hardware? | 16:48 |
| sledges | how is your n9 | 16:48 |
| sledges | or maybe you managed to obtain jolla phone somehow (have you seen the launch btw?) | 16:48 |
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| locusf | we could always appreciate more testers :) | 17:43 |
| locusf | also it would probably be a good time to start doing the homescreen for glacier | 17:43 |
| locusf | IMO | 17:43 |
| wazd | locusf: I'm sorta on it :) | 17:45 |
| sledges | xavinux will help out vacuuming the nemo configs, so we can add QT_QUICK_CONTROLS_THEME right after it | 17:45 |
| sledges | thanks xavinux ! | 17:45 |
| locusf | wazd: oh ok :) | 17:45 |
| wazd | locusf: in terms of design | 17:45 |
| locusf | wazd: cool, lemme know when you have something :) | 17:45 |
| wazd | locusf: but I'd advise not to rush things too much | 17:45 |
| locusf | wazd: ok cool | 17:46 |
| sledges | everyone's smooth sailing :) | 17:46 |
| wazd | locusf: cause general user experience is not the thing you will be able to tweak later :) | 17:47 |
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| faenil | locusf, nobody is doing components, and you want to start homescreen? :D | 17:48 |
| sledges | unless you tweak the users | 17:48 |
| faenil | but yeah, if there are people willing to work on it why not | 17:48 |
| sledges | :) | 17:48 |
| locusf | faenil: well better to start early so we can learn what we need :) | 17:48 |
| faenil | locusf, sure | 17:48 |
| faenil | locusf, but I think we'll be missing quite some components ;) | 17:48 |
| locusf | faenil: do we have specs for absolutely everything yet? | 17:49 |
| sledges | but speccing of the homescreen is what would take place now, and from that it would dictate what components are needed more, no? | 17:49 |
| wazd | faenil: there's no solid concept either for it | 17:49 |
| nightmare__ | sledges, hi :) | 17:50 |
| sledges | hi nightmare__ :) | 17:50 |
| wazd | No offense but right now we have bunch of idea sketches and a button with no distinct vision of what we want to have | 17:51 |
| sledges | wazd: we have properly specced components | 17:51 |
| sledges | https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/ | 17:51 |
| sledges | not all, but all specs came from ideas (mockups) | 17:51 |
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| nightmare__ | wtf with packages of sailfish? day before yesterday not enough only xt9, yesterday xt9 and buteo-*:)))))))) | 17:53 |
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| locusf | hmm I could start doing switch | 17:54 |
| locusf | its a checkbox style, right? | 17:54 |
| wazd | locusf: I don't know | 17:54 |
| sledges | wazd: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/ | 17:54 |
| locusf | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtquickcontrolsstyles/qmlmodule-qtquick-controls-styles1-qtquick-controls-styles-1-0.html <- we should at least spec these | 17:54 |
| wazd | sledges: the fact is, you've started to do this task from the wrong end :D | 17:54 |
| sledges | wazd: we started from what we had at hand | 17:55 |
| wazd | sledges: I'll try to explain myself in one broad post at Grog | 17:55 |
| sledges | nothing is set in stone, we innovate as we progress | 17:55 |
| wazd | sledges: if you don't mind :) | 17:55 |
| sledges | wazd: before you do, let me backlog qwazix thoughts | 17:56 |
| sledges | wazd: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-09-24.log.html#t2013-09-24T14:52:19 | 17:58 |
| wazd | sledges: sure | 17:58 |
| sledges | check that conversation, and should grep for qwazix name the day before and the day after as well, for more insights | 17:59 |
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| wazd | sledges: I see | 18:01 |
| faenil | wazd, what's wrong | 18:01 |
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| faenil | locusf, no, we're missing specs for some components, I told wazd if he wanted to help there :P | 18:01 |
| locusf | faenil: no, on what? | 18:02 |
| faenil | ? | 18:02 |
| locusf | what do you mean no | 18:02 |
| wazd | sledges: well, people there are still discussing switch corner radius :D | 18:02 |
| locusf | we shouldn't spec qt quick controls? | 18:02 |
| faenil | "do we have spec for absolutely everything" | 18:02 |
| locusf | faenil: ok | 18:02 |
| faenil | wazd, have you checked the specs in that github repo? | 18:03 |
| wazd | faenil: everything's right, but timing for that "right" is wrong :) | 18:03 |
| wazd | faenil: looking at it right niw | 18:03 |
| wazd | now* | 18:04 |
| faenil | ok | 18:04 |
| faenil | because that's important stuff to know before discussing :D | 18:04 |
| wazd | faenil: https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/75076084323a37deeafa4c06f030756e38e20327/statusbar/statusbar_specs.png | 18:04 |
| wazd | faenil: for example. What is that? :) | 18:04 |
| faenil | wazd, I had never seen that :) guess it's new | 18:05 |
| faenil | it's the spec for the statusbar, why? | 18:05 |
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| wazd | faenil: have you discussed statusbar behavior yet? | 18:05 |
| faenil | wazd, I have never heard anything about statusbar yet ;) and that spec is new to me (but I've been very busy since I started internship at jolla so I could have missed discussions here) | 18:06 |
| sledges | no we haven't set statusbar behaviour set in stone | 18:06 |
| sledges | but that does not prevent from speccing its appearance | 18:07 |
| wazd | sledges: yes it does | 18:07 |
| sledges | the pr of which qwazix accepted from sandy_locke|away , and everyone was happy | 18:07 |
| wazd | sledges: completely | 18:07 |
| wazd | sledges: it's like designing a car without knowing what should it do | 18:07 |
| faenil | :D | 18:07 |
| sledges | qwazix is the best person to talk to | 18:07 |
| wazd | sledges: got it | 18:07 |
| wazd | sledges: I mean, maybe we need a goddamn tank, or a bike | 18:08 |
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| sledges | when i spoke to him, he had a vision, but it is changing overtime; i'm already imagining how he will explain this to you, if you didn't read that from the backlog link i sent you | 18:08 |
| sledges | and i concurr to what he had said | 18:08 |
| sledges | since you are a designer (i am not), you have your own ways of designing things | 18:09 |
| sledges | and i am very happy you are expressing them here | 18:09 |
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| wazd | sledges: I've read it. Vision is a great thing, but we have a unique extraordinary opportunity to create something community wise | 18:09 |
| faenil | wazd, now you're talking :P | 18:09 |
| wazd | sledges: And I'm trying not to f this up :D | 18:09 |
| sledges | as (again in qwazix backlog) he said discussions shape the idea | 18:09 |
| wazd | sledges: ok, I should definitely see him, got it :D | 18:10 |
| sledges | so let's wait until he wakes up, because I trusted him as design lead, thus not questioning why behaviour is not defined yet etc | 18:10 |
| sledges | leave that onto you ;) | 18:10 |
| sledges | nevertheless, looking closely into mockups, status bar is revealed during bottom edge swipe | 18:11 |
| faenil | wazd, are you okay with creating other components specs? or do you think we have to remake the current ones | 18:11 |
| sledges | wazd: http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/images/QtControls.png | 18:11 |
| sledges | (the bottom edge swipe) | 18:11 |
| faenil | wazd, except the status bar I think the other components have everything defined (or mostly, I've been asking for more details multiple times) | 18:12 |
| sledges | also defining how notifications will be | 18:12 |
| sledges | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=640 and Row 2,col 1 of http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SystemUI.png | 18:12 |
| sledges | which gives enough insight that statusbar must be bottom aligned, to spec it that way. spec is also not final ofc | 18:13 |
| wazd | sledges: bottom swipe is the easiest edge gesture user can perform and you (or not you :) want to spoil it to reveal info you need 3 times a day | 18:13 |
| wazd | sledges: that's what I'm talking about | 18:13 |
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| sledges | but many many people in this commuity have seen the mockup (designers and engineers) | 18:14 |
| locusf | hmm I hit a reserved word on the theme | 18:14 |
| sledges | and no-one has expressed concern about bottom notifications (i find that great!) | 18:14 |
| sledges | whilst being married with status bar altogether | 18:15 |
| wazd | faenil: Right now I'm writing a kinda huge post about latest UI/UX components and trends around the industry and wanted to ask people what they find useful in their everyday life | 18:16 |
| wazd | sledges: faenil didn't see that :D | 18:16 |
| sledges | oh yes he did | 18:16 |
| faenil | did I? :D | 18:16 |
| sledges | http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/images/QtControls.png | 18:16 |
| sledges | ^ | 18:16 |
| sledges | it's ages old | 18:16 |
| sledges | the mockup | 18:16 |
| faenil | oh yes I saw the pic | 18:17 |
| sledges | and you saw status bar there | 18:17 |
| sledges | so | 18:17 |
| sledges | now it has been finally specced | 18:17 |
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| sledges | referencing the mockup | 18:17 |
| wazd | sledges: I don't see statusbar there :) | 18:17 |
| faenil | it's not a problem for me :) | 18:17 |
| sledges | in the thirs screenshot | 18:17 |
| sledges | third | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | btw, do you have url for the original conversation on mailing list that sparked the discussion on how nemo design goes forward..? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | just so people understand when joining | 18:17 |
| wazd | sledges: oh, I see | 18:18 |
| sledges | yes, but that thread does not specify behaviour/glacier, only technology | 18:18 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: o/ | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | moo wazd | 18:18 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: don't hit me :D | 18:18 |
| wazd | Stskeeps: I swear I'll behave :D | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | wazd: there's plenty of other people with sticks | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:18 |
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| faenil | wazd, I'm trusting designers there, unless I see something that is completely fscked up to me :D | 18:18 |
| faenil | wazd, I implement :P | 18:18 |
| sledges | faenil: +1 | 18:18 |
| sledges | Stskeeps: wazd: this could be the genesis: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01287.html | 18:21 |
| sledges | with the pre-genesis of http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01238.html | 18:21 |
| sledges | :) | 18:21 |
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| faenil | ah he's not online.. | 18:25 |
| sledges | PS, wazd, discussing switch radius is just a relic from another taken spec, consider it a typo :) | 18:26 |
| wazd | sledges: ok :) | 18:27 |
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| qwazix | about status bar, "revealed with bottom swipe" while correct, leads to misunderstandings | 18:28 |
| sledges | ^_^ | 18:28 |
| wazd | qwazix: o/ | 18:28 |
| qwazix | the idea about the statusbar is that it is always there, on the homescreen | 18:28 |
| sledges | s/bottom swipe/bottom swipe an app/ :") | 18:28 |
| qwazix | so if you want to peek it, you can swipe a tiny bit from the bottom | 18:28 |
| qwazix | you can continue swiping to send the app in the background, just like the N9 | 18:29 |
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| qwazix | (BB10 has the same 'peek' behaviour though you swipe from the bottom and the app zooms out so you see the time on the statusbar which is on the top of the homescreen) | 18:29 |
| qwazix | wazd, \o | 18:30 |
| wazd | qwazix: what about fingers? | 18:30 |
| qwazix | fingers? | 18:30 |
| wazd | qwazix: you will not see 50% of the statusbar if you'll try to "peek" a bit with your thumb | 18:31 |
| qwazix | valid, you can swipe a bit more, or we could rethink that and put it on the top if there are no compelling reasons otherwise | 18:32 |
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| qwazix | but as you said the bottom swipe is the easiest, and I think peeking to see the time is a pretty usual interaction | 18:32 |
| wazd | qwazix: actually thumb is a "son of a bitch" of all fingers, cause it gets even thicker closer to the joint | 18:33 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Wazd think of the n9 quick launcher | 18:34 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Quick swipe up and hold snaps to it | 18:34 |
| wazd | qwazix: so the "higher" you pull an app, the lesser you see :D | 18:34 |
| wazd | qwazix: unless you have that 5" shovel of course :D | 18:34 |
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| wazd | sledges: cya | 18:35 |
| qwazix | usually the thumb is perpendicular to the phone, so I wouldn't agree that the above is true | 18:35 |
| wazd | Morpog_Mobile: I've found this concept elegant yet reeealy tricky | 18:35 |
| wazd | Morpog_Mobile: maybe it's a matter of tweaking timings and zones, but I has lots of fault launches on my n950 | 18:36 |
| wazd | had* | 18:36 |
| qwazix | also putting it on top, we risk the user closing the app accidentally (if we're going to keep swipe down to close) | 18:37 |
| wazd | qwazix: a sec, I'll post a photo | 18:37 |
| faenil | wazd, you usually swipe from the side, not from the bottom | 18:37 |
| wazd | qwazix: and this is true for sure | 18:37 |
| faenil | I mean, your thumb joint is at the side of the screen, not bottom | 18:37 |
| faenil | so swiping up doesn't hide the bar | 18:37 |
| qwazix | wazd, no reason to use timing like on the N9 | 18:37 |
| wazd | qwazix: sure | 18:38 |
| qwazix | we will use only positioning. 3 possible states. Fullscreen app, statusbar visible and app shrinked to fit, no app and homescreen visible | 18:38 |
| faenil | qwazix, app shrinked is really undoable imho | 18:39 |
| faenil | because of performance | 18:39 |
| wazd | oook, I'll post that photo later, cause I don't have any other charged camera other than BB :D | 18:39 |
| faenil | and because of layouting | 18:39 |
| qwazix | faenil, we should find some tricks to do it | 18:39 |
| qwazix | like when keyboard goes up | 18:39 |
| faenil | qwazix, when the keyboard goes up the window is just resized | 18:39 |
| qwazix | I really think that's our differentiating factor | 18:39 |
| faenil | not animated while it moves | 18:40 |
| faenil | I really think that won't happen :P (unless we accept issues which that brings) | 18:40 |
| qwazix | faenil, that can be done in that case too: move it to position, and if the user releases in that position resize | 18:40 |
| faenil | qwazix, mmm :/ | 18:41 |
| qwazix | (can also be done with header IMO, move everything out of screen as long as the swipe is in motion, and instantly resize upon release) | 18:41 |
| faenil | :/ not sure that's visually pleasing :/ | 18:42 |
| qwazix | (by the way resizing of animated windows is there on the desktop since back when pc's were less capable than today's phones) | 18:42 |
| faenil | qwazix, yes, but at that times apps didn't do anything on screen, almost :P | 18:43 |
| qwazix | photoshop comes to mind... | 18:43 |
| faenil | now we have dynamic layout... | 18:44 |
| faenil | I think I already told you about this example | 18:44 |
| faenil | but, imagine a drawing app | 18:44 |
| faenil | you cannot force it to be functional with half the screen | 18:44 |
| faenil | that is a too strong assumption imho | 18:44 |
| faenil | or whatever app has a custom UI | 18:44 |
| faenil | and not just lists and menus | 18:45 |
| faenil | can you image a videogame resize with different aspect ratio? :D | 18:45 |
| qwazix | I think it's worth giving it a try, and if it has a real impact on performance that we can't handle, we'll be forced to make the drawer just a modal overlay. Not too much of a change | 18:45 |
| faenil | qwazix, tell me how you handle videogames ;) | 18:46 |
| qwazix | games have custom UI's always, no headerDocks | 18:46 |
| locusf | grr again black screen on components gallery view | 18:46 |
| faenil | qwazix, there's no need to make it modal | 18:46 |
| faenil | locusf, ? | 18:47 |
| locusf | faenil: I can't see my subpage even though I got it in qrc | 18:47 |
| faenil | qwazix, yes but if you want to see the status bar... | 18:47 |
| qwazix | faenil, true, even that's an almost good stopgap | 18:47 |
| locusf | faenil: for switch | 18:47 |
| faenil | qwazix, ? | 18:47 |
| faenil | locusf, not following, qml issue? :) | 18:47 |
| qwazix | faenil, not making it modal | 18:47 |
| locusf | faenil: yes | 18:47 |
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| qwazix | about the games, on the N9 they had special behavior (locked swipes) | 18:48 |
| faenil | qwazix, yes I'd just make the drawer a non-modal overylay | 18:48 |
| faenil | qwazix, so you can't see the status bar in games... | 18:48 |
| faenil | (with the swip gesture) | 18:48 |
| qwazix | faenil, on the N9 only when paused | 18:48 |
| qwazix | and we could do that too for nemo | 18:49 |
| faenil | qwazix, okay, let's suppose the game is paused | 18:49 |
| faenil | and you resize its window | 18:49 |
| faenil | what happens to the menu? and the graphics? | 18:49 |
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| faenil | wazd, you still alive? D: | 18:50 |
| qwazix | that's up to the developer: we might ponder giving an option to not support the resized state, or just force him to be resizeable on paused state | 18:50 |
| faenil | qwazix, so you want to force devs to support a resized state with different ratio.. | 18:50 |
| qwazix | faenil, we can discuss this, as I said, we can give an option to not allow resized state, just like orientationLock | 18:51 |
| faenil | qwazix, yes but even if you don't allow resized state, what happens? | 18:51 |
| faenil | they can't use status bar? | 18:51 |
| qwazix | but most apps come already with the resizing functionality for free due to vkb | 18:51 |
| faenil | qwazix, not most, most is games :P | 18:51 |
| qwazix | I used the word app as in "not game" | 18:52 |
| faenil | ok | 18:52 |
| faenil | I think it's useless effort, this said, majority wins :) | 18:52 |
| qwazix | for the apps that don't allow resized state, functionality is like the N9 fullscreen apps | 18:52 |
| locusf | faenil: could you check if I'm missing something again https://github.com/locusf/qtquickcontrols-nemo/commit/14e161f33aec0906e6914c972cac56e3784d6c37 | 18:53 |
| faenil | but why forcing people to do that, what's the gain | 18:53 |
| qwazix | you can peek the status bar but not have it always visible as you work (which would be pointless for games anyway - who wants a windowed game?) | 18:53 |
| qwazix | It's all about choice. I prefer to have fullscreen apps, but I'm sure many people would be annoyed not to have time/connection info/battery always visible | 18:54 |
| faenil | qwazix, and why can't you do that without resizing the screen | 18:54 |
| faenil | I prefer fullscreen apps as well | 18:54 |
| faenil | I just don't understand the gain in resizing the window | 18:55 |
| qwazix | faenil, how would you do it without resizing the screen? | 18:55 |
| faenil | just push it out on the other size? | 18:55 |
| faenil | side* | 18:55 |
| locusf | hmm forgot to hit ctrl+s on qrc, argh | 18:55 |
| qwazix | and the controls that are there? | 18:55 |
| faenil | qwazix, I think I'm missing something | 18:56 |
| qwazix | okay, let me describe it again | 18:56 |
| qwazix | grab your N9 and bring up the quick launch menu | 18:56 |
| faenil | so you want the user to be able to keep the status bar only (small height) there, or just push it away | 18:56 |
| faenil | like in qtcomponents | 18:56 |
| wazd | sorry, been afk | 18:56 |
| qwazix | now imagine the quick bar to be the statusbar (less height obviously) | 18:57 |
| locusf | faenil: never mind, I got it working | 18:57 |
| faenil | locusf, are you sure we need a ComboBox.qml? | 18:57 |
| qwazix | wouldn't it be very nice to still be able to use your app? | 18:57 |
| locusf | faenil: you mean Checkbox.qml? | 18:57 |
| locusf | probably not | 18:57 |
| faenil | locusf, just sayiing, I don't remember perfectly how it works and what's needed there | 18:58 |
| faenil | at the same time if the use keeps swiping he sends the app to bg | 19:01 |
| faenil | user* | 19:01 |
| qwazix | yep | 19:01 |
| faenil | so imagine the user keeps swiping up, and you keep resizing the window... | 19:02 |
| qwazix | (similar experience: blackberry browser, open the tabs pane, you can leave only the tab previews visible) | 19:02 |
| qwazix | you don't keep resizing the window | 19:02 |
| faenil | isn't that what you said | 19:03 |
| qwazix | I see two possible animations: (a) resize till you reach height=screen-statusbarHeight and then just move | 19:03 |
| qwazix | or (b) just move like the N9 does, and just before the app snaps in place, resize to fit | 19:04 |
| faenil | b is the only option imho | 19:04 |
| locusf | hmm oh yeah, I can test qtquickcontrols-nemo on my Jolla too | 19:05 |
| qwazix | maybe we can test both. I somehow feel that it shouldn't be too heavy but I dunno | 19:06 |
| faenil | locusf, :D | 19:06 |
| wazd | lets forget about statusbar for a sec | 19:06 |
| faenil | qwazix, yes why not | 19:07 |
| faenil | qwazix, I'm still not sure you'll want to force custom UI apps to do that extra work, but we'll see | 19:07 |
| wazd | qwazix: what's the main goal of the Glacier ui, what problem does it solve (other than being opensourced)? | 19:07 |
| faenil | wazd, I think being opensource is enough :P | 19:08 |
| qwazix | It solves the problem of you being able to use your phone, basically | 19:08 |
| faenil | wazd, but it's a playground for community, a place for innovation | 19:08 |
| wazd | faenil: why not just copy sailfish/harmattan | 19:08 |
| faenil | wazd, reread my last sentence :P | 19:08 |
| wazd | faenil: each innovation should solve some current problem | 19:08 |
| qwazix | that. | 19:08 |
| wazd | faenil: "Don't fix what's working" :P | 19:09 |
| faenil | wazd, no it's not like that | 19:09 |
| qwazix | wazd, it's like going to the gnome people and telling them "why didn't you copy kde" | 19:09 |
| qwazix | (or worst, Windows) | 19:09 |
| faenil | if I have to do my thing I won't just copy someone else | 19:09 |
| faenil | just because it works... | 19:09 |
| wazd | faenil: well, it doesn't work in terms of source | 19:10 |
| wazd | faenil: but it works in terms of usability | 19:10 |
| faenil | wazd, yes, but I won't spend my free time to make an opensource copy of something which already exists | 19:10 |
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| faenil | not appealing, at all | 19:10 |
| faenil | :) | 19:10 |
| qwazix | +1 | 19:10 |
| wazd | faenil: so it's innovation just for the sake of innovation? | 19:11 |
| Eztran | So, why didn't the Gnome guys copy KDE? Because they have a different focus. I think wazd's asking what that focus is meant to be, here? | 19:11 |
| wazd | faenil: do you have problems with current UIs around? | 19:11 |
| faenil | wazd, to me it is :D I just want to have fun and learn :D | 19:11 |
| faenil | wazd, I don't have big UI requests | 19:11 |
| qwazix | define problems | 19:11 |
| faenil | I accept most of the stuff as long as it's 60fps with no jittering | 19:11 |
| faenil | also 50fps, but no jittering please | 19:12 |
| wazd | qwazix: well, something that doesn't work right from your perspective | 19:12 |
| qwazix | I mean iOS6 didn't have problems but they ditched it and did iOS7 | 19:12 |
| qwazix | wazd, no I don't think harmattan doesn't work right, but i do believe we can do better | 19:12 |
| Eztran | Surely looking for reasons would be better than examples? | 19:12 |
| wazd | qwazix: they had internal issues with leaving heads :) | 19:12 |
| qwazix | Eztran, you are right, but it's the first time somebody asks me to elaborate why I think doing something new is better than copying an old one. | 19:13 |
| wazd | qwazix: guy responsible for UI left, Ive took his duty and gone into copycating rampage for a year :D | 19:13 |
| qwazix | so I resorted to the bad use of examples. I apologize | 19:13 |
| Eztran | One thing I do think Nemo seems to have been aiming for (like Sailfish) is speed and productivity of interaction. Many mobile OS' don't do that very well at all. | 19:14 |
| wazd | qwazix: why do you use wheels may I ask? :) | 19:14 |
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| wazd | qwazix: I mean. you can surely come up with sometthing new | 19:15 |
| locusf | nothing provides qt5-qtquickcontrols :/ | 19:15 |
| qwazix | wazd, okay let me rephrase, the iOS example was bad, I was trying to say something about every new piece of software | 19:16 |
| faenil | wazd, I'd surely work on a new wheel if that was my passion | 19:16 |
| qwazix | The idea is that mobile UI's (post iPhone era) are something still very young | 19:16 |
| faenil | and I guess millions of people have tried that already | 19:16 |
| qwazix | and just like desktop UI's in the 90's they evolved pretty fast | 19:17 |
| qwazix | see how new interactions have caught up and are being used in all systems in just a couple of years | 19:17 |
| qwazix | (pull to refresh, edge swipes, pull down menus etc. etc.) | 19:17 |
| qwazix | so sticking with a UI that's three years old just because it works is IMO just anachronistic | 19:18 |
| qwazix | (especially if we have to re-do it anyway, if we had it free the case would be different) | 19:19 |
| Eztran | Well, maybe they do work. But do they work well? (IMO, not often) And what can Nemo improve on? | 19:19 |
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| qwazix | so as we are going to do it from scratch whether we like it or not, blindly copying it is non-creative and short-sighted | 19:20 |
| qwazix | so we are looking all over the place for new interactions, patterns, designs etc. and copy what we like best | 19:20 |
| faenil | wazd, would you spend your time on doing the OSS copy of an existing UI? | 19:20 |
| qwazix | if it fits to our overall design/usage pattern we keep it, otherwise we ditch it, by discussing it here | 19:21 |
| qwazix | (and I like to believe we've invented one or two things here too that make some interactions/usecases easier or just more beautiful) | 19:22 |
| Eztran | (If I'm going too far with this, please say) Does that suggest the problem with other mobile UX's is that they don't fit our usage patterns? | 19:22 |
| qwazix | Eztran, I find it difficult to say yes because I don't think there's a real problem with the recent mobile UI's, but rather that they can be improved to fit our usage patterns more | 19:23 |
| qwazix | our == power user | 19:23 |
| qwazix | my monologue was lethal, everybody is dead :-( | 19:26 |
| faenil | lol | 19:26 |
| Eztran | Right, so I'd take the closest thing to wazd's 'problem to solve' here to be simply that a recent mobile UI might not fit a power user? | 19:26 |
| wazd | i'm here, a sec | 19:27 |
| faenil | I said my opinion, I just want to learn new stuff and have fun with virtual mates :) and build something unique and new :) no matter how needed that is | 19:27 |
| faenil | actually, scratch the last part | 19:27 |
| faenil | it is very important that there is no other OSS alternative to Nemo for mobiles with Qt5 and Wayland | 19:28 |
| qwazix | Eztran, maybe you can say that. On the other hand evolution is just that, always improve sometimes without clear view of why. | 19:28 |
| qwazix | People couldn't see the point of gigahertz's in your pocket but here we are | 19:29 |
| Eztran | Might've been stretching it a bit far, was just trying out that idea. | 19:29 |
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| Eztran | I'd personally welcome something a bit different on a mobile. Mainly because just about everything (possibly Sailfish aside) seems to be pretty similar. | 19:30 |
| qwazix | but what faenil says is equally important too, we want to be creative and then be proud of what we did. Copying an existing thing wouldn't qualify either. | 19:30 |
| Eztran | Throwing around concepts might not always improve things, but where it does, you might just get something nobody else could reach. | 19:30 |
| faenil | Eztran, it's playground after all, we're not building a commercial product ;) | 19:32 |
| faenil | we're experimenting, there are no rules here \o/ | 19:32 |
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| Eztran | Yeah, and I think that actually improves the chances of making something decent, in a way. | 19:34 |
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| wazd | ok, I'm back | 19:46 |
| wazd | sorry for silence | 19:46 |
| qwazix | comments? | 19:50 |
| locusf | whee, animations :) | 19:50 |
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| qwazix | so just like any other app, when it hangs you got to close it | 20:23 |
| wazd | qwazix: it's still a browser with all its luggage | 20:24 |
| qwazix | irrelevant from a UI perspective | 20:24 |
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| qwazix | it's an icon on your desktop which opens something that has no other UI than that of your webapp | 20:24 |
| qwazix | now if it's laggy or unstable it's another story | 20:25 |
| wazd | qwazix: ok, so we have browser that needs some kind of "fullscreen mode", what else, book reader... any other ideas? | 20:25 |
| qwazix | i lost you here | 20:25 |
| wazd | qwazix: imagine you don't have that fancy tag | 20:26 |
| qwazix | ok | 20:26 |
| wazd | qwazix: you just want to get rid of useless navigation | 20:26 |
| qwazix | scroll down :P | 20:26 |
| wazd | qwazix: useless at a point of time of course | 20:26 |
| qwazix | ok I admit that has it's problems with apps that have layout | 20:27 |
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| wazd | qwazix: it will not work with web apps without that tag | 20:27 |
| wazd | qwazix: I mean at all, with web apps at all, :) | 20:27 |
| wazd | qwazix: sorry, it's getting late in here :) | 20:28 |
| qwazix | there are various ways to have a full screen mode browser | 20:28 |
| qwazix | our icefox concept uses the scroll one, but that can be tweaked | 20:29 |
| qwazix | (or you can just report a window height which does include the navigation, so that apps that are meant to be fullscreen to work alright) | 20:30 |
| qwazix | this can also be solved on the side of the webapp too (try opening facebook mobile on iOS - it autoscrolls to 0 so that you can't see the safari navigation) | 20:31 |
| faenil | so, what is the conclusion to this discussion? :D | 20:31 |
| qwazix | I don't know where wazd is taking it, to be frank | 20:31 |
| wazd | qwazix: what I'm trying to say, illustrating my "problem\solution" method is I was thinking about implementing some kind of universal way for apps to go full/part screen | 20:32 |
| wazd | qwazix: and came up with this (partially thanks to BB10 semi-good concept :P | 20:32 |
| qwazix | this being? | 20:32 |
| wazd | qwazix: give me a break, I've been looking for a link :D | 20:33 |
| wazd | qwazix: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Jolla/Goldfish%20UI/2.png | 20:33 |
| wazd | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Jolla/Goldfish%20UI/1.png <- and this is fullscreen | 20:33 |
| wazd | qwazix: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Jolla/Goldfish%20UI/3.png <- and this is minimized | 20:34 |
| wazd | also shows "forced controls" idea :) | 20:34 |
| qwazix | I'm not sure I get how this works | 20:35 |
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| wazd | qwazix: well, you launch app, it appears in, lets call it "UI view", choose tab or whatever you want to view, tap it - it goes fullscreen. Edge swipe up to zoom out to UI view again | 20:39 |
| wazd | If your app needs "forced controls" to be shown anyway across the app, it looks like glassy bar on top/bottom | 20:41 |
| wazd | icons and tabs on top are completely random :) | 20:42 |
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| wazd | double swipe or long swipe to the top minimizes app | 20:43 |
| faenil | double swip? :D | 20:43 |
| wazd | faenil: well, technicaly swipe is quite a quick gesture | 20:44 |
| faenil | what is a double swipe :) | 20:44 |
| wazd | faenil: so it will take half a second to do it twice | 20:44 |
| wazd | faenil: first swipe to return to UI view, second to minimize | 20:45 |
| faenil | ah ok, so you always have to go through the "tabbed" view | 20:45 |
| wazd | faenil: tabs are confusing but they are there just for "place some random sht and see what happens" sake :D | 20:46 |
| wazd | faenil: I'm more into combining tabs with window headers | 20:46 |
| wazd | faenil: sorta like WinPho did | 20:46 |
| faenil | wazd, yes whatever | 20:47 |
| faenil | but the concept is that you always have to go through the main screen | 20:47 |
| faenil | before going back to homescreen | 20:47 |
| wazd | faenil: you can swipe a bit higher to minimize it instantly | 20:47 |
| wazd | faenil: like, to the middle of the screen | 20:47 |
| faenil | wazd, better | 20:48 |
| wazd | faenil: or higher, subject of testing :) | 20:48 |
| wazd | faenil: you can even defy it according to your fingers and screen size | 20:48 |
| wazd | faenil: or your coordination :D | 20:49 |
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| faenil | yeah well that's just a setting :) | 20:49 |
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| wazd | faenil: there's no setting for Harmattans quick launcher though :P | 20:49 |
| faenil | wazd, that's because it had to be a mass consumer product :) | 20:49 |
| wazd | faenil: and this concept shows that you don't have to stick to current concepts to solve a problem | 20:50 |
| wazd | faenil: it's not just "gotofullscreen" button | 20:50 |
| wazd | Like maemo 5 had | 20:50 |
| faenil | wazd, the problem thing doesn't make much sense imho | 20:50 |
| faenil | I mean it makes sense of course | 20:50 |
| faenil | if you know about problems you think about a way to fix them | 20:51 |
| faenil | but if can't put problems on paper that doesn't mean you shouldn't play and try to revolutionize the world :P | 20:51 |
| faenil | problems will appear as we go through the planning | 20:51 |
| faenil | and we'll fix them as we go | 20:51 |
| faenil | (this OS does the switch this way, we don't like it, we'll do it this way) | 20:52 |
| faenil | but it's not like you know the problems when you start | 20:52 |
| faenil | that's just a rare and ideal case | 20:52 |
| faenil | you know all the issues and you just write a plan to fix those | 20:52 |
| wazd | faenil: We can ask people what issues do they have | 20:53 |
| wazd | faenil: and try to fix them | 20:53 |
| faenil | wazd, why not going through them as we've been doing so far? | 20:54 |
| wazd | faenil: issues, not people :D | 20:54 |
| faenil | I really don't undersatnd... | 20:54 |
| wazd | faenil: cause we're in a unique position and yet acting like any other ordinary company. Instead of exploding with community effort we'll be back on designer proposes/people react ball game. Why not switch sides? | 20:56 |
| qwazix | because http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee | 20:56 |
| faenil | wazd, ?? | 20:56 |
| faenil | wazd, we've been posting to mailing list | 20:57 |
| faenil | and having discussions here in the opne | 20:57 |
| faenil | wazd, should we go knock the door of people? | 20:57 |
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| faenil | wazd, there were also surveys about homescreen going out few months ago | 20:58 |
| wazd | faenil: didn't know that, that's great | 20:58 |
| qwazix | I really don't dig the mechanistic problem=>solution approach. IMO you should ask yourself how does an awesome frobbler app look/behave? And then after you have a nice concept in your head (or in the hivemind, by discussing here and brainstorming) | 20:58 |
| wazd | qwazix: that's not an issue since you're still the one in charge | 20:59 |
| qwazix | you do a mockup. Then various "how to do this or that?" emerge. | 20:59 |
| qwazix | You then look around how others did it. Back here to discuss again, somebody thinks a reason why it doesn't work good, and we backtrack. Then we spec and implement. And some times we must fix even at that late stage | 21:00 |
| qwazix | I don't see myself as "in charge". I'm just setting a mood, and I suppose I'd have a final say in case we really can't decide, which hasn't happened yet I have to say. | 21:01 |
| wazd | qwazix: add "Why other frobbler apps suck and we should do our own thing" in the beginning of the cycle and here you go. | 21:01 |
| wazd | Apps suck -> you make better | 21:01 |
| wazd | There's no app at all like this -> you make your own | 21:01 |
| wazd | You don't do apps just because | 21:02 |
| wazd | Unless you have a rich uncle :D | 21:02 |
| qwazix | Some apps do suck, some don't. | 21:02 |
| faenil | wazd, finding something that sucks is not a condition to our UI effort, what's wrong with that :D | 21:02 |
| qwazix | and yeah I do apps just because | 21:02 |
| faenil | wazd, having an OSS distro based on Qt5 and Wayland is enough reason | 21:03 |
| faenil | I don't need to find something that sucks, as there's no competitor in this arena ;) | 21:03 |
| wazd | faenil: qwazix: http://www.youtube.com/user/TATMobileUI <- do you know these guys? | 21:04 |
| wazd | faenil: qwazix: they've been quite popular befor BlackBerry bought them | 21:05 |
| faenil | well I heard them when hanging in BB chat | 21:05 |
| faenil | about* them | 21:05 |
| qwazix | I think that in the end it's how you decide to see it. If you go back to the statusbar backlog, you could almost certainly prepend a "why do other statusbars suck?" and the discussion would still make sense | 21:05 |
| wazd | faenil: they have shtloads of revolutionary UIs that doesn't do anything | 21:06 |
| wazd | faenil: and yet no product to utilize their ideas | 21:06 |
| faenil | wazd, pity :) | 21:06 |
| faenil | qwazix, +1 | 21:07 |
| wazd | qwazix: so, why do they suck? :D | 21:07 |
| wazd | qwazix: it's what I've been asking from the beginning, what's wrong with Harmattans for instance | 21:08 |
| qwazix | wazd, that's why I'm on nemomobile and not on deviantart, there's a chance the UI we do to actually do something | 21:08 |
| qwazix | wazd, it's always visible | 21:09 |
| wazd | qwazix: not at all, Harmattan even had a flag to hide it | 21:09 |
| wazd | qwazix: try MeeCast | 21:09 |
| wazd | qwazix: it has a setting to show/hide statusbar | 21:09 |
| faenil | ApplicationWindow -> showStatusBar | 21:09 |
| qwazix | the difference is, I didn't think what's wrong with harmattan, I thought, what I like about BB10? or Sailfish | 21:09 |
| faenil | (iirc) | 21:09 |
| faenil | PageStackWindow sorry | 21:09 |
| qwazix | wazd, faenil, irrelevant | 21:09 |
| faenil | wazd, I agree with qwazix | 21:10 |
| faenil | I'm here to have fun and do something new, I don't want to copy other UIs just because they work | 21:10 |
| wazd | so it's not an innovation, it's just collecting different good ideas from different sources | 21:10 |
| wazd | this method works, see iOS7 | 21:10 |
| qwazix | one developer could hide the status bar, but most of the apps didn't and that's what the OS was promoting as default behaviour | 21:10 |
| faenil | wazd, well, my idea is to do something completely new | 21:11 |
| faenil | but UI guys don't like it :D | 21:11 |
| wazd | faenil: I like it | 21:11 |
| wazd | faenil: I'm the UI guy too :P | 21:11 |
| faenil | wazd, ahaha :D | 21:11 |
| qwazix | I like it too, just nobody came up with the idea yet (me neither) | 21:11 |
| faenil | wazd, then we need to find a good idea...I have forgot the one I thought about already, we discussed those months ago | 21:11 |
| wazd | faenil: a good balance between new and old would be awesome. | 21:12 |
| faenil | wazd, yes | 21:12 |
| faenil | wazd, but we still have to style QQC.. | 21:12 |
| faenil | so...why don't we do that first? :P | 21:12 |
| faenil | (back to square) | 21:12 |
| qwazix | got ya! | 21:12 |
| wazd | faenil: So you just take old, find what's wrong with it, throw it away, and fill the space with new ideas :) | 21:13 |
| wazd | faenil: just like that | 21:13 |
| faenil | wazd, yes, ok, but components first | 21:13 |
| faenil | :P | 21:13 |
| wazd | faenil: You need something to crystalize on | 21:13 |
| wazd | Big Bang out of nothing is still just a theory :P | 21:14 |
| wazd | other things in universe were based on something :) | 21:14 |
| faenil | wazd, I think we have a lot of mockups and specs already | 21:14 |
| faenil | it's not like we didn't think things though :P | 21:14 |
| wazd | faenil: ok, back to specs: https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/statusbar/statusbar_specs.png | 21:15 |
| qwazix | and also we took community's consideration heavily too | 21:15 |
| faenil | yeah | 21:15 |
| qwazix | My initial idea was a bit more radical, faenil liked it too | 21:15 |
| wazd | qwazix: what's the size of a wifi spot element? | 21:15 |
| wazd | qwazix: height | 21:15 |
| qwazix | but Glacier had bigger fanbase so we chose that to be the first thing to do | 21:16 |
| wazd | qwazix: imagine that this shot is Z10's screen for example | 21:16 |
| qwazix | here's Breeze http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=331 | 21:16 |
| wazd | this item would be small even for a stylus | 21:16 |
| faenil | wazd, I agree that's too small | 21:17 |
| qwazix | wazd, faenil, the list will be a normal glacier listView | 21:17 |
| qwazix | I just missed that when I accepted the PR. | 21:18 |
| qwazix | I'll do a modification (or maybe sandy_locke|away will) | 21:19 |
| qwazix | (the switch also looks small, the same applies) | 21:20 |
| wazd | qwazix: faenil: ohohoh, and btw, I've found a solution for a logo that's beyond awesomeness and I can't hide it from you :D | 21:22 |
| wazd | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Nemo/Logo/2.png | 21:22 |
| wazd | I'm trying to fix my goddamn illustrator to make a proper one but you get the idea :) | 21:23 |
| qwazix | I liked your previous one better to be honest | 21:23 |
| qwazix | but still logos are something that should change only after a couple of years so I vote to stick to the voted one | 21:25 |
| wazd | qwazix: ah, that's just messing around :) | 21:26 |
| faenil | yeah I liked the previous one more as well :D | 21:26 |
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| sledges | something's wrong with backloggers clock: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/latest.log.html#t2013-12-04T21:25:10 | 21:27 |
| wazd | faenil: it looked like a lock :D | 21:27 |
| sledges | (pointing to the last line now *g*) - tbr ? | 21:27 |
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| sledges | I very much liked your icon(s) wazd , and very much liked the idea to see Nemo V2 with those icons ^_^ | 21:29 |
| tbr | sledges: i'm out, but isnt it utc? | 21:29 |
| sledges | tbr: it's 20 minutes off | 21:30 |
| wazd | sledges: let's stick to the V1 first :) | 21:30 |
| tbr | ooooh | 21:30 |
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| wazd | qwazix, faenil: thanks a lot guys for nice talk, I have to take a nap for a bit :) | 21:31 |
| tbr | lbt: *poke* clock drift on irc bot vm? | 21:31 |
| qwazix | I'm off too to watch a movie or something. | 21:31 |
| wazd | cya all | 21:31 |
| qwazix | bye wazd | 21:31 |
| sledges | wazd: yup, nemo is a playground, and we'll have helluva fun in it! :) | 21:31 |
| sledges | c'yall | 21:31 |
| qwazix | o/ | 21:32 |
| lbt | tbr: I just rebooted the phost | 21:32 |
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| faenil | wazd, cya o/ | 21:34 |
| faenil | I'm off to bed as well | 21:34 |
| faenil | gnight qwazix sledges | 21:34 |
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| tbr | ok | 21:34 |
| faenil | tbr, I forgot about asking that at the devaamo party | 21:35 |
| faenil | can I borrow the tizen device for a day? | 21:35 |
| tbr | sure | 21:35 |
| faenil | just the time to port an app to try earn a free phone :D | 21:35 |
| tbr | hehehe | 21:35 |
| faenil | which hopefully could become nemo target :D | 21:35 |
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| faenil | tbr, who has the devices? | 21:37 |
| faenil | (who should I bribe :D) | 21:37 |
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| sledges | nite faenil | 21:41 |
| onurati | i was wondering, why i am not able to connect to my N950 running nemo via ssh (no route to host) | 21:41 |
| onurati | all ports seem sealed | 21:41 |
| onurati | on the phone, i can ssh to localhost -> sshd running | 21:42 |
| tbr | faenil: it's in newfactory. go there ask smoinen | 21:42 |
| sledges | onurati: your local network setup? can you ping the phone? | 21:42 |
| faenil | tbr, who's smoinen? | 21:42 |
| onurati | sledges: nope, ping doesn't work either | 21:43 |
| tbr | ask cybette for details | 21:43 |
| faenil | tbr, ok :P | 21:43 |
| faenil | bbl sleep | 21:43 |
| sledges | onurati: then your network setup most likely | 21:43 |
| sledges | what does ifconfig say? | 21:44 |
| onurati | sledges: on the same network I have my N9, it is working fine (in developer mode) | 21:44 |
| sledges | erm | 21:44 |
| sledges | N9 has built-in DHCP | 21:44 |
| sledges | s/N9/Harmattan | 21:44 |
| onurati | it gives me the IP properly | 21:44 |
| sledges | nemo doesn't | 21:44 |
| sledges | you need to set static ip | 21:44 |
| onurati | hmm, strangely enough i have internet access on the phone | 21:45 |
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| sledges | wifi? | 21:46 |
| onurati | yep | 21:46 |
| sledges | that's unrelated | 21:46 |
| onurati | set it via nemo GUI | 21:46 |
| tbr | dhcp client vs server | 21:46 |
| sledges | yup, thanks tbr , I mean DHCP server is built in onto the usb wire in harmattan | 21:47 |
| sledges | onurati: hint: you can ssh into your n950 via wifi too | 21:47 |
| onurati | that's what i am trying actually | 21:47 |
| onurati | checked the sshd config and found nothing wrong with it | 21:48 |
| onurati | thought, some kind of policy might be blocking all the ports on the phone | 21:48 |
| onurati | iptables look empty though | 21:48 |
| sledges | onurati: | 21:49 |
| sledges | please | 21:49 |
| sledges | run on your host pc | 21:49 |
| sledges | ifconfig usb0 | 21:49 |
| sledges | and pastee the output | 21:49 |
| sledges | just to be on the same page | 21:49 |
| onurati | usb0? | 21:50 |
| onurati | i am not on usb | 21:50 |
| sledges | whichever represents your usb cable interface | 21:50 |
| sledges | or are you saying, that you cannot ssh into the phone via wifi as well? | 21:50 |
| onurati | trying to ssh to the phone via wifi | 21:50 |
| sledges | ah | 21:50 |
| sledges | well, then can try via usb :D | 21:50 |
| onurati | yes, sorry if i was not clear enough | 21:50 |
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| sledges | np, i need some sleep :) | 21:50 |
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| stephg | evening | 22:32 |
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| fk_lx | stephg: hi | 22:33 |
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| fk_lx | Stskeeps is sleeping, so temporaily I'm acting as welcome bot :-P | 22:34 |
| stephg | ha | 22:34 |
| stephg | always nice to get a welcome though, so thank you :) | 22:34 |
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| fk_lx | :-) | 22:43 |
| sledges | :) | 22:46 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix: seen the backlogs, what is wazd doing ? has he joined the team ? | 22:57 |
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| sandy_locke | also, about statusbar, we should discuss again about the specs it seems, height & al | 22:58 |
| sandy_locke | and for wazd, if it's read at some point: we try to solve problems, yes we do, just check Qwazix's blog where we discuss about it ;) | 22:59 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: yes, wazd seems to be getting his feet wet at the moment | 22:59 |
| sandy_locke | o/ sledges :) | 22:59 |
| sledges | \o sandy_locke :) | 22:59 |
| sandy_locke | so he works on UI with us ? | 22:59 |
| sledges | yup | 22:59 |
| sandy_locke | good :) | 22:59 |
| sandy_locke | he seems to have a lot to say about what we already did :P | 23:00 |
| sledges | yes :) he has long gone history too, I wish I was part of Maemo and pre to tell more | 23:00 |
| sandy_locke | but if thinks we don't try to solve problems, he must not have read all the articles we made about what we specced already ^^ | 23:00 |
| sandy_locke | ok, so he is an old timer | 23:00 |
| sledges | true, now i'm realising why you wrote a blog accompanying your spec | 23:01 |
| sandy_locke | I think that I talk for at least qwazix & I when I say that we have no prentention of our stuffs being unique or revolutionary, but we at least try to figure smarter ways to interact with our phones ;) | 23:03 |
| sandy_locke | and I truly believe we made some points in our articles ... | 23:04 |
| sandy_locke | anyway, what are you up to sledges those days, been a while since I came chat here... | 23:04 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: looking into freeze bug atm | 23:05 |
| sledges | what about you? | 23:05 |
| sandy_locke | btw, does anyone know how those accent with javascript work ? I tried those /350 things but it does not always work, and letters are smaller... | 23:06 |
| sandy_locke | ah hope you will succeed :) | 23:06 |
| sledges | fingers crosscompiled | 23:06 |
| sandy_locke | been a while that you peops are working on this ^^ | 23:06 |
| sandy_locke | me I spent the last two days working on a module for a client's website | 23:06 |
| sledges | we weren't simply ;) | 23:06 |
| sandy_locke | a chromewheel | 23:07 |
| sandy_locke | ah :P | 23:07 |
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| sandy_locke | I worked none stop since it was a hurry, and my head is still spinning :P | 23:08 |
| sledges | hop aboard :) | 23:08 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 23:09 |
| MFaro-Tusino | What is that nemo command to get wifi to work? | 23:20 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I forget | 23:20 |
| sledges | cmdline? | 23:20 |
| sledges | connman-test package iirc | 23:20 |
| MFaro-Tusino | command not found | 23:21 |
| MFaro-Tusino | I remember a while ago, I needed to fiddle so my wifi network shows up | 23:21 |
| MFaro-Tusino | it wasn't as easy as connman-test package | 23:21 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish/Exopc | 23:22 |
| sledges | or | 23:22 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Minimal/Networking | 23:22 |
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| sledges | needs `zypper in connman-test` first | 23:23 |
| MFaro-Tusino | conn man worked, didn't zipper though | 23:27 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *zypper | 23:27 |
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| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: so you had the package instaled already? | 23:31 |
| MFaro-Tusino | apparently | 23:31 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | i need to find my mac address - so I can get the ip my N9 is on to ssh into it, 192.168.2.15 still not being nice to me | 23:32 |
| onurati | sledges: it was a setting on the router, called wlan partitioning, which prevented the communication between the WLAN clients. ssh is ok now. | 23:34 |
| sledges | onurati: \o/ | 23:36 |
| sledges | MFaro-Tusino: /o\ | 23:36 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | sledges: At least this shows that installing memo can be done on OS X :p | 23:37 |
| MFaro-Tusino | *nemo | 23:37 |
| sledges | ;) sandy_locke ^ | 23:37 |
| Morpog_Mobile | sledges: i guess u gonna hate me for that advice: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1392720#post1392720 | 23:37 |
| Morpog_Mobile | :D | 23:37 |
| sandy_locke | reading the logs ;) | 23:37 |
| * sledges looks | 23:37 | |
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| sledges | Morpog_Mobile: hate for scavenging some helpers? noo ;P | 23:38 |
| sandy_locke | MFaro-Tusino: you try to connect via usb or wifi ? | 23:39 |
| sledges | im compiling qtbase with debug stuff atm, OBS still trying to download 150MB file for 1 hour, local mersdk build is ongoing, im going to sleep :D | 23:39 |
| MFaro-Tusino | both | 23:39 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | More for the peeps asking to setup udb networking or wifi | 23:39 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Usb | 23:39 |
| sandy_locke | connect into your router's interface and check the internal IP of your device | 23:39 |
| sandy_locke | wifi IP | 23:39 |
| sandy_locke | and try to connect to it | 23:39 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yeah Thats what I've done, but i need the mac address of the N9 to know which ip it is ;) | 23:40 |
| sandy_locke | for me it was "ssh nemo@192.168.1.13" | 23:40 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Peeps like MFT :D | 23:40 |
| sandy_locke | Mac is not really into USB tethering | 23:40 |
| sandy_locke | sometimes it work , sometimes it won't... | 23:40 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Shh Morpog_Mobile | 23:40 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I used to be good at this stuff, then went WP for 2 years and go lazy hahah | 23:40 |
| sandy_locke | I was on WP 2 months | 23:41 |
| sledges | 2 days | 23:41 |
| sandy_locke | I got fed up with the closed software | 23:41 |
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| sandy_locke | ^^ sledges ;) | 23:41 |
| sledges | on HP iPAQ 1930h | 23:41 |
| sledges | ;) | 23:41 |
| sledges | in 2009 | 23:41 |
| MFaro-Tusino | See every time I go back to N9/50 I get fed up with the device not just working | 23:41 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | I know, you fill my twet wall every night when i sleep michael | 23:41 |
| MFaro-Tusino | sorry Morpog_Mobile :/ | 23:42 |
| sledges | Morpog_Mobile: given last developments, i suspect there's some ssh can of worms in recently dupped versions of nemo; so more testers won't hurt | 23:42 |
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| sledges | :) | 23:43 |
| sandy_locke | MFaro-Tusino: that's the fun part ;P | 23:44 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Its not the fun part when your phone stops working as a phone when you have an emergency sandy_locke | 23:44 |
| MFaro-Tusino | OMFG! Fingerterm is such sh*t | 23:45 |
| sandy_locke | then have a feature phone at hand, they never die ;) | 23:45 |
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| sandy_locke | MFaro-Tusino: did you try ssh via wifi ? | 23:45 |
| MFaro-Tusino | yeah just found the ip haha | 23:46 |
| MFaro-Tusino | (I have about 15 devices connected to my wifi, so was a lengthy process getting the right mac address of N9 and corresponding ip) | 23:47 |
| onurati | MFaro-Tusino, you're on N9 in dev. mode? | 23:47 |
| MFaro-Tusino | booted in nemo | 23:47 |
| onurati | k | 23:47 |
| MFaro-Tusino | YAY! I have ssh in woo | 23:48 |
| onurati | and now what? upgrade to Jolla? | 23:49 |
| onurati | i mean sailfishos :-) | 23:49 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Start develop for nemo ;) | 23:49 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Screw sailfish :) | 23:50 |
| onurati | :-) | 23:50 |
| MFaro-Tusino | this has all been to get sailfish up, so i can test my app, because the emulator sucks | 23:51 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Not sure a buggy n9 can help there much | 23:51 |
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| onurati | yeah, i am also looking forward to getting mine... | 23:56 |
| onurati | that's why i thought, i'd install nemo on my n950 today. But the freezing home screen issue forced me to upgrade to sailfish | 23:57 |
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| lead | can any one help i get grey screen when booting nemo | 23:59 |
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