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| lpotter | Stskeeps: https://github.com/mer-packages/connman/pull/4 please | 08:46 |
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| faenil | morning | 08:59 |
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| faenil | thp, nice PR :) | 09:00 |
| stephg | morning everyone what's going on in nemoland | 09:01 |
| faenil | hey :) all good here, started working on glacier components | 09:02 |
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| thp | faenil: thanks :) | 09:03 |
| mikhas | PR, where? | 09:06 |
| faenil | libcontentaction | 09:10 |
| sledges | which libcontentaction | 09:19 |
| sledges | :) | 09:19 |
| sledges | m_orning | 09:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: I need cooperation with you | 09:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | my school project will start and I will team with someone else to work on core apps, so this includes glacier and homescreen | 09:22 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | damn :/ | 09:22 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: hi | 09:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello fk_lx | 09:24 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: what's up? | 09:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fk_lx: tired | 09:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | courses and hack | 09:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 09:26 |
| fk_lx | Sfiet_Konstantin: well studies end some day | 09:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I hope :P | 09:28 |
| fk_lx | and then you notice that studies were quite ok when comparing with full time work ;-) | 09:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | time to grab a Pizza | 09:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 09:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hehe | 09:28 |
| fk_lx | enjoy :-) | 09:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | at least you don't need to work during WE when you work | 09:28 |
| sledges | what's WE ? | 09:28 |
| sledges | ;) | 09:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you hack during week end | 09:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for your own pleasure | 09:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (well, I try to hack for my own pleasure at school too: picking a Nemo related project) | 09:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bye | 09:29 |
| fk_lx | bye | 09:29 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ping faenil | 10:56 |
| faenil | yo | 10:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: can you push your work on components somewhere on github ? | 10:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | + how to enable portrait mode on a N950 on current nemo ? | 10:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if you can | 10:57 |
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| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, the current work is not pushable, I'll push as it's ready xD | 10:58 |
| faenil | about orientation, I think the only problem is qtcomponents not delivering orientation change afaik | 10:58 |
| faenil | (since we switched away from x11) | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: ok | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | our components will need that | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: did you received my mesage ? | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: [11:22] <Sfiet_Konstantin> my school project will start and I will team with someone else to work on core apps, so this includes glacier and homescreen | 10:59 |
| faenil | ahmmm, which one? | 10:59 |
| faenil | oh, no I didn't | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | now you received it | 10:59 |
| faenil | :) | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | basically, I will spend like 4h / week on it | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and maybe more | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:59 |
| faenil | cool :) | 10:59 |
| faenil | yeah I read about it in the backlog | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there will be another guy, but he is a total noob for Nemo | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and even Qt and QML | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but initiation cannot be bad | 11:00 |
| faenil | yeah ;) | 11:00 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | and I will try to grab a Galaxy S2 and port Nemo on it | 11:01 |
| faenil | ah cool ;) not ported already? | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: I mean _my_ GS2 (waiting for my father to give it to me :D) | 11:03 |
| sledges | it has | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I want to see how libhybris works etc | 11:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yet another development platform :D | 11:03 |
| sledges | https://twitter.com/astarasikov/status/344650319071952896 | 11:03 |
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| faenil | :) | 11:04 |
| stephg | cool | 11:04 |
| sledges | sad the effort went down in the downs | 11:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:04 |
| sledges | just poke him on twitter ;) | 11:04 |
| sledges | as you'll still need mer kernel, so half job done from him | 11:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will see when I get the GS2 | 11:05 |
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| sledges | sure | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or I can just dev with the N950, or vbox :) | 11:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: mind sharing what you found hacking on components ? | 11:09 |
| Morpog_N9__ | Sfiet_Konstantin, when is your project starting? | 11:11 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, I'm setting up the repo, basic hello world | 11:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_N9__: like soon, tomorrow is the project submission deadline | 11:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: ok | 11:11 |
| faenil | stuff like that, nothing real components | 11:12 |
| Morpog_N9__ | we are still busy speccing and creating/slicing graphics for components | 11:12 |
| faenil | readapting tizen repo | 11:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 11:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: right, so you start with tizen repo | 11:12 |
| faenil | yes | 11:12 |
| faenil | definitely | 11:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in my side I will try to make a button :D | 11:12 |
| faenil | they already have theme handling in place | 11:12 |
| Morpog_N9__ | but there already are some ready sruff | 11:12 |
| faenil | no rocket science, but still, reuse code when possible :) | 11:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but we might need to setup some task allocation or stuff like that | 11:12 |
| Morpog_N9__ | button is specced already :) | 11:13 |
| faenil | definitely | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just not to step on each other's feed | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | feet | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_N9__: button is not made | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 11:13 |
| faenil | I want to make components, I've been waiting months to get to this point :P | 11:13 |
| Morpog_N9__ | but specced | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: scrum like are you ok ? | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: me too | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_N9__: indeed :) | 11:13 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, what? | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrum_%28development%29 | 11:13 |
| Morpog_N9__ | will try to finish listview specs this week | 11:14 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, yes I know what scrum is, I didn't understand your sentnce :) | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_N9__: you guys are awesome | 11:14 |
| Morpog_N9__ | and need to update header spec | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: are you ok if during the time that our project is running, that dev is done through with scrum | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or any other agile style | 11:15 |
| Morpog_N9__ | nah, we are slow like hell :) | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (it is a requirement for our school, to do work like in companies) | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (I picked up scrum, because it seems nice to know) | 11:15 |
| Morpog_N9__ | Sfiet_Konstantin, faenil was using mer wiki in the past for tasks | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_N9__: we can still | 11:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | keep mer wiki for tasks | 11:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and mer bugzilla for bugs | 11:16 |
| faenil | I have never used scrum, I wonder if other guys are already familiar with it | 11:17 |
| faenil | a friend of mine is a scrum fan so I could get started in no time | 11:17 |
| Morpog_N9__ | nope | 11:17 |
| faenil | but I wonder if that will make contributions from outside less likely | 11:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: I have done scrum a bit | 11:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: not sure, we can run scrum in an inner project while still taking contribution from externals | 11:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | basically we need to focus resources on components, because without them, no home, no apps, no nothing | 11:18 |
| Morpog_N9__ | :nod: | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | gtg bbl | 11:20 |
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| faenil | bbl | 11:41 |
| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#424 Rejected promotion request | 11:50 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage stskeeps SR#425 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/425 | 11:59 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | re | 12:07 |
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| alterego | Sage: ping | 12:15 |
| Sage | alterego: pong | 12:16 |
| alterego | https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=libdres&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw | 12:16 |
| alterego | Know anything about that? Doesn't have service hooks and it seems broken for me.. | 12:16 |
| alterego | Also not packaged in github | 12:17 |
| alterego | Would you like me to sort it out? ;) | 12:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil, Morpog_Mobile and al, I'm opening the glacier wiki page, and will add a development section inside it | 12:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | inside, I will start to write a backlog | 12:18 |
| Sage | alterego: I wonder if it is https://github.com/nemomobile/libdres-ohm ? | 12:18 |
| alterego | Sage: Yes, they are related. | 12:18 |
| Sage | alterego: related or the same thing? | 12:18 |
| alterego | I think it might be the same. | 12:19 |
| alterego | Let me check | 12:19 |
| Sage | libdres should be removed from there will rm | 12:19 |
| Sage | it is old copy of the same thing | 12:19 |
| alterego | Okay, maybe that will fix this odd undef symbol :) | 12:20 |
| Sage | removed | 12:20 |
| alterego | Cool | 12:20 |
| * alterego plays a bit more. | 12:22 | |
| sledges | Sage, :{ , https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/pull/9 :} | 12:23 |
| alterego | Sage: that did it!!!! :D | 12:23 |
| alterego | \o/ | 12:24 |
| alterego | Sage: also, my log is full of ambient light sensor readings. | 12:26 |
| alterego | Sage: and I'm sure it's nothing I've done ;) | 12:26 |
| alterego | I suspect libalsaadapter-qt5 | 12:28 |
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| alterego | Which I can't find in git either. | 12:29 |
| Sage | sledges: merged | 12:30 |
| Sage | sledges: and tagged | 12:31 |
| sledges | marvellous thanks :) | 12:31 |
| Sage | alterego: can you pastebin the log? | 12:31 |
| alterego | Jan 01 00:08:56 localhost sensord[302]: *WARNING* [alsadaptor.cpp:170:virtual void ALSAdaptor::processSample(int, int)]: Ambient light value: 111 | 12:31 |
| alterego | w00t: come hither | 12:31 |
| w00t | [14:31:53] <w00t> it's probably related to mce now using sensorfw for sensor data | 12:32 |
| w00t | [14:32:13] <w00t> looks harmess enough anyway... | 12:32 |
| w00t | i'd go for tracking it down and looking at removing it if it's annoying you enough | 12:32 |
| alterego | Ah sorry | 12:33 |
| alterego | Erm, anyway, it shouldn't be active when locked should it? | 12:33 |
| w00t | I don't know mce well enough to answer that.. spiiroin? | 12:33 |
| alterego | It also manages proximity too, which when interacting with the sensor causes a load of other crap about that sensor data. | 12:33 |
| alterego | Again, whilst being locked, can't really see much point in it being enabled all the time. | 12:34 |
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| alterego | 10 samples a second | 12:34 |
| sledges | Sage, what magic needs to be done for _pattern to update? :{ | 12:35 |
| sledges | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/nemo:/devel:/ux/latest_i486/repodata/?C=M;O=D | 12:35 |
| sledges | the latest and second-latest patterns still the same size (633 bytes) | 12:35 |
| sledges | so not updated | 12:35 |
| Sage | sledges: give it a moment there is ~5min timer after publish | 12:35 |
| sledges | aahaaa | 12:35 |
| Sage | it should appear | 12:36 |
| sledges | yes \o/ | 12:36 |
| sledges | Eureka! | 12:36 |
| sledges | : | 12:36 |
| sledges | ) | 12:36 |
| * spiiroin wonders what just happened | 12:37 | |
| alterego | Sage, w00t: Anyway, regardless of it being on all the time, don't you think having that output as being warning level a bit silly? | 12:37 |
| sledges | Sage, @Nemo Complete Wayland is building, fingers cross(compil)ed ;) | 12:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_Mobile, qwazix can you update this wiki page to report the status of design. No pressure, just for tracking :) | 12:38 |
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| w00t | alterego: I already said that you'd probably be fine to just nuke it :) | 12:40 |
| w00t | spiiroin: n950 has crap from ALS and proximity sensors while screen is off apparently | 12:40 |
| alterego | w00t: okay, thanks for the input :) | 12:40 |
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| Sage | sledges: \o/ | 12:41 |
| spiiroin | w00t: should be ALS is enabled when display=ON/DIM, due to design and bugs PS is disabled only on display=DIM | 12:41 |
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| sledges | lol Sage: | 12:48 |
| sledges | without patterns (old faenil's .ks): Info: 426 packages to be installed | 12:49 |
| sledges | with patterns: Info: 428 packages to be installed | 12:49 |
| sledges | :D | 12:49 |
| sledges | we'll see what sneaked in :)) | 12:49 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: hey, got an update for sensorfw-qt5 incoming. | 12:55 |
| alterego | Though, I might attempt to fix continuous polling, so you might have to wait a couple of hours. | 12:55 |
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| sledges | Sage, ce-mtf-configs got pulled in | 13:03 |
| Sage | sledges: I'm not even sure if that is needed anymore on x11 image even | 13:03 |
| sledges | :D | 13:03 |
| sledges | Sage, but then where will we store nemo-warranty.txt nemo-licence.txt ? | 13:06 |
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| Sage | are those read by anything atm.? At least the settings app changed completely since origin of those | 13:10 |
| sledges | might not be read, but not the reason to bin them yet | 13:11 |
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| Sage | sledges: sure but also not the reason to remove from wayland image ;) | 13:19 |
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| sledges | defo | 13:22 |
| sledges | not saying that patterns are wrong ;P | 13:23 |
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| locusf | so glacier dev has started | 13:50 |
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| Morpog_N9__ | locusf, I added maliit status there. Feel free to correct me | 14:01 |
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| sledges | Morpog_N9__, what happened to the rounded switch? http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/components.html ;) | 14:07 |
| Morpog_N9__ | sledges, I got it done in svg for components, but after discussing with qwazix we decided to go for a more flat switch | 14:09 |
| sledges | :( | 14:11 |
| Morpog_N9__ | sledges, that was it: http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BUPArkQCYAA44Hf.png | 14:12 |
| Morpog_N9__ | well, I like both switches, have a voice :) | 14:14 |
| sledges | you know my voice already ;) | 14:15 |
| sledges | what do other think | 14:15 |
| sledges | i mean what were the reasons of not following Hurrian ? | 14:16 |
| Morpog_N9__ | because other components like slider were done more flat too | 14:16 |
| sledges | progress bar is nice and not flat with trumpet indicator | 14:17 |
| Morpog_N9__ | maybe qwazix and hurrian should reply too | 14:17 |
| sledges | basically the final look won't be similar to http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/images/QtControls.png | 14:17 |
| sledges | ;) | 14:18 |
| sledges | in terms of smoothness/flatness | 14:18 |
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| Morpog_N9__ | check buttonrow and slider, both are more flat than on hurrians mockup | 14:19 |
| sledges | yup | 14:20 |
| Morpog_N9__ | new switch is more consistent with those | 14:21 |
| sledges | that's true | 14:22 |
| sledges | buttonrow and slider still look very nice | 14:22 |
| sledges | :) | 14:22 |
| Morpog_N9__ | and switch not? :( | 14:23 |
| sledges | i think it's because switch is farthest from the original switch | 14:23 |
| sledges | *farthest looking | 14:23 |
| sledges | buttonrow wasn't in original design | 14:24 |
| Morpog_N9__ | yeah thats true | 14:24 |
| sledges | and slider went only a minor rectangulisation | 14:24 |
| sledges | so optically that's where i'm coming from (my 2p imho though) | 14:24 |
| sledges | hmmm | 14:24 |
| sledges | look | 14:24 |
| sledges | slider was rounded | 14:25 |
| Morpog_N9__ | and had a gradient | 14:25 |
| sledges | and now its 'handle' is still rounded ;) | 14:25 |
| sledges | so | 14:25 |
| sledges | why not make switche's handle rounded :) | 14:25 |
| sledges | 'circles on rectangles' paradigm | 14:25 |
| sledges | that clashes with buttonrow though, but that one can't be avoided i guess | 14:26 |
| Morpog_N9__ | easy to do, opinions qwazix, hurrian? | 14:26 |
| qwazix | Morpog_N9__, sledges, I still prefer the flat switch, and I also asked Hurrian before going through with the modifications for both elements | 14:27 |
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| sledges | flat switch, rounded slider ? | 14:27 |
| sledges | (as in their 'handles') | 14:28 |
| qwazix | flat everything. IMO the rounded ones looked out-of-place | 14:28 |
| qwazix | ah... | 14:28 |
| sledges | w;) | 14:28 |
| qwazix | I think I get what you are saying. | 14:28 |
| sledges | just use this for switch too: https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/ab6b2253b4198d56dde86d5216ba0109fdebb0ff/slider/slider-ball.png | 14:28 |
| qwazix | that's has a completely other use, it's a label, so it will be confusing | 14:29 |
| qwazix | but the switch handle could be round, maybe | 14:29 |
| sledges | +1 | 14:29 |
| qwazix | Morpog_N9__, wanna try that? | 14:30 |
| sledges | not 100% looks of slider-ball, but you catch my drift | 14:30 |
| Morpog_N9__ | will make a draft when i'm home | 14:30 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 14:30 |
| Morpog_N9__ | but not sure if it looks out of place | 14:30 |
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| qwazix | no harm trying. I still find the rectangular one nice, but we can give some thought to a circular handle | 14:31 |
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| sledges | qwazix, you mentioned 'handle', i thought it's nice if handle is consistent across sliders and switches, since they already have same consistent flat (rectangluar) background | 14:32 |
| sledges | just at thought :) | 14:32 |
| sledges | -t | 14:32 |
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| sledges | but we have a clash with button row here ofc | 14:32 |
| sledges | where the use of rectangular handle is inevitable.. | 14:32 |
| qwazix | sledges, good point | 14:33 |
| sledges | Sage, off to you sir for further patternisation: https://github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/blob/master/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks | 14:34 |
| sledges | :) | 14:34 |
| qwazix | (I really was viewing the silder-ball as the label, not the handle though) | 14:34 |
| sledges | that is true, since it pops out from the finger ;) | 14:34 |
| sledges | but | 14:34 |
| sledges | users might not know that | 14:34 |
| qwazix | my original idea for the switch was http://play.qwazix.com/nemo/switch.png | 14:34 |
| sledges | and interpret it as label | 14:34 |
| sledges | which consequently will trigger that label to escape to the right ;) | 14:35 |
| qwazix | ^^ please download and see in proper viewer | 14:35 |
| qwazix | firefox messes it up, idk about chrom* | 14:35 |
| sledges | chrome is fine ;) | 14:36 |
| sledges | -ium | 14:36 |
| sledges | but still opened it in gimp to center in white background | 14:36 |
| Sage | sledges: that works fine? | 14:37 |
| qwazix | :nod:, anyway, the idea was to be exactly like the slider, but then Morpog proposed to have that fading background effect, which looks cool, so we had to go with a white handle | 14:37 |
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| sledges | Sage, in the state it is - yes | 14:37 |
| Sage | ok | 14:37 |
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| qwazix | sledges, see it in black bg if you got it in gimp | 14:37 |
| sledges | ok | 14:37 |
| qwazix | (also keep in mind that numberless sliders won't have a bubble at all) | 14:38 |
| sledges | ah | 14:38 |
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| qwazix | (which reminds me that I didn't mention that in the spec) | 14:38 |
| sledges | or unpressed ones? | 14:38 |
| Morpog_N9__ | yep, think so | 14:39 |
| qwazix | sledges, I was thinking to keep the number always, if there is one, but if you think otherwise we can discuss it | 14:39 |
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| sledges | https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/slider/slider.png | 14:39 |
| sledges | agree with you qwazix | 14:40 |
| sledges | however | 14:40 |
| sledges | returning to original Hurrian's idea | 14:40 |
| sledges | glacier is circly | 14:40 |
| sledges | (think icons) | 14:40 |
| qwazix | think buttons and windows in multitasking :P | 14:41 |
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| qwazix | In fact the way I see it is that it has rectangles, and perfect circles, no rounded corners | 14:41 |
| sledges | yup | 14:42 |
| sledges | so circles are for icons | 14:42 |
| sledges | and rectangles are for controls | 14:42 |
| qwazix | (mostly, but also for some labels that fit into them, notification numbers or the sliderball) | 14:42 |
| sledges | yup, and the bullet bits on bottom-left (and top-left for logo(?)) : http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SystemUI.png | 14:43 |
| qwazix | I'm not sure I get what you're referring to | 14:44 |
| sledges | "Background services" and "Web browser" | 14:45 |
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| qwazix | ah, yeah | 14:45 |
| sledges | and the logo of loading (3 white circles and 1 blue) | 14:45 |
| sledges | or whatever was on Hurrian's mind :)) | 14:45 |
| qwazix | though in reality I'm not sure how much the bullets will be used (it seems a specific app usecase to show colors of graph) | 14:45 |
| sledges | yes we'll worry about that later for sure | 14:45 |
| qwazix | I like the loading thingie though, it looks fresh | 14:46 |
| sledges | i just wanted you to understand my initial standpoint looking into that first design draft | 14:46 |
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| sledges | that everything was more circly | 14:46 |
| sledges | and now it will be more edgy :) | 14:46 |
| qwazix | Not so much, the only changes are the slider and switch, which were breaking this no-rounded-corners "rule" | 14:47 |
| qwazix | (and they were also breaking the flat-controls "rule") | 14:47 |
| qwazix | or non-skeuomorphic to say it better | 14:48 |
| Morpog_N9__ | well, my switch breaks abit with it too | 14:49 |
| Morpog_N9__ | as it got that gradient on it | 14:49 |
| Morpog_N9__ | same for vkb popper | 14:49 |
| qwazix | I don't intend to be annoying with the "rules", I'm just trying to explain why that "display" page in "unveiling glacier" looks out-of-place to me | 14:50 |
| sledges | rules are good, i simply did not know/read them :") | 14:52 |
| Morpog_N9__ | :D | 14:52 |
| qwazix | some times it's okay to toy with the boundaries of the rules and just choose what looks better. Then look at the whole again from far away, spot the black sheep and fix them. | 14:52 |
| sledges | and by first glance the majority of rounded object proposed "buttons are breaking the gradient-rounded-controls rule" instead :D | 14:52 |
| qwazix | Most awesome designs, follow _almost_ religiously some kinds of rules or guidelines, but break them where needed | 14:53 |
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| qwazix | I'm going home. Talk later. | 14:56 |
| sledges | do we have those rules/guidelines written out somewhere (i couldn't find them :( )? Sorry I jumped into the chat without knowing them :) | 14:56 |
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| qwazix | don't be sorry, these kinds of discussions improve the concept, always | 14:56 |
| sledges | is good then we have them not written out ;P | 14:57 |
| qwazix | and no, we don't have them, it's like I said, I made them up while trying to explain my general idea | 14:57 |
| Morpog_N9__ | qwazix, seen sfietkonstanti's wiki page for nemo glacier status? | 14:57 |
| sledges | explained them mostly to Morpog_N9__ ;) so the intrinsic information was born; I like that approach and hence the chat we just had | 14:57 |
| qwazix | Some things just feel like right or wrong in a design, and then when you sit and think about why it is like that, there is indeed a reason. But you never can come up with the reasons first | 14:58 |
| qwazix | Morpog_N9__, not yet, I'll have a look once I reach home | 14:58 |
| sledges | cheers, ttyl :) | 14:58 |
| qwazix | o/ | 14:59 |
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| locusf | so faenil is still milling together the first step :) ? | 15:12 |
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| locusf | hmm forgot the button states, will get to them right now | 15:38 |
| Morpog_PC | :) | 15:38 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, I think rounded slider looks not soo good | 15:39 |
| Morpog_PC | same rounding as in old button: http://abload.de/img/slider-button-test-20qjdb.png | 15:42 |
| Morpog_PC | less rounding: http://abload.de/img/slider-button-test-1ulkdh.png | 15:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | even more less rounding: http://abload.de/img/slider-button-test-3fxkiu.png | 15:42 |
| Morpog_PC | what do you think qwazix? | 15:43 |
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| sledges | Morpog_PC, what about circle? | 15:44 |
| rcg | evening | 15:44 |
| sledges | ello | 15:45 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, http://abload.de/img/slider-button-test-4b0p9d.png | 15:48 |
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| sledges | good | 15:48 |
| sledges | :D | 15:48 |
| sledges | but need to see how it looks among other controls..... | 15:49 |
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| locusf | I've got a property bool pressed, how can I monitor its state in qml? | 15:56 |
| locusf | ah | 15:57 |
| locusf | its on<property>Changed | 15:58 |
| locusf | too easy | 15:58 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, qwazix: http://abload.de/img/example44qf7.png | 15:58 |
| sledges | gosh im ambivalent :)) | 15:59 |
| Morpog_PC | :) | 16:00 |
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| qwazix | Morpog, I admit I like the circular one | 16:07 |
| qwazix | Btw the dotted lines are not a visible component | 16:11 |
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| sledges | notwithstanding with all cons and pros that im ambivalent, i think circle is more touchable :) | 16:13 |
| sledges | (coming from icons idea as well -- all try to resemble a finger's projection on screen when touched) | 16:13 |
| locusf | hmm my graphics are all gone, I guess that rebase didn't work out too well :/ | 16:15 |
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| locusf | Morpog_PC: did you guys reach consensus about the spacebar in the middle? | 16:26 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Not discusssed yet | 16:27 |
| sledges | my 2p | 16:28 |
| sledges | standard typewriter's position is | 16:28 |
| sledges | ASDF JKL; | 16:28 |
| sledges | (left and right hand respectively, 4 fingers, thumbs for space) | 16:28 |
| sledges | space is right centered under those :) | 16:28 |
| sledges | (hence the bumps on F and J ;)) | 16:29 |
| sledges | *space is centered right under those | 16:29 |
| locusf | hmm ok | 16:30 |
| sledges | surely, vkb i not a typewriter, but layout is still from there | 16:30 |
| Morpog_Mobile | So center it and ignore hurrians layout | 16:31 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Just move the comma left of space | 16:32 |
| sledges | take the distance between S and L and center in there ;) | 16:32 |
| Morpog_Mobile | sledges: each row is centered | 16:32 |
| sledges | take the distance between S and L and center the space key referencing there (this matches typewriter, but im not saying that's good or bad layout for vkb - im not an expert in that) | 16:34 |
| sledges | especially since this layout doesn't contain ; | 16:34 |
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| sledges | so was only my 2p ;) | 16:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | well ZogG_laptop had a point with that space should be centered, so that you can easily reach it from both sides while typing | 16:35 |
| sledges | ouch, where's G in hurrians layout? :DDDDDD | 16:35 |
| Morpog_PC | hehe ;) | 16:35 |
| sledges | yup, which ties in with typewriter's idea - same distance for each thumb | 16:36 |
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| qwazix | +1 for centered space | 16:41 |
| locusf | hmm now if the screenshot pr is merged I can update my lipstick and take a screenshot | 16:42 |
| locusf | hmm its not merged yet | 16:42 |
| locusf | its ok'd by w00t though | 16:42 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, qwazix made it a bit smaller | 16:43 |
| Morpog_PC | http://abload.de/img/examplemiq7z.png | 16:43 |
| Morpog_PC | bottom ones are smaller ones | 16:43 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC, you read my mind ;P | 16:43 |
| sledges | +1 for smaller | 16:43 |
| sledges | locusf, is it blocked by this: https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/pull/87#discussion_r6514494 ? | 16:46 |
| locusf | yeah prolly | 16:46 |
| sledges | the headers are there, maybe w00t wants some additional ©s | 16:46 |
| locusf | doesn't prevent me from merging in vesuris code | 16:46 |
| sledges | true, code's fine | 16:47 |
| sledges | pull the trigger then :D | 16:47 |
| locusf | already compiling | 16:47 |
| sledges | locally? | 16:47 |
| locusf | yeah | 16:48 |
| sledges | :nod: | 16:48 |
| qwazix | Morpog, smaller is better, yeah | 16:52 |
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| locusf | sledges: http://pastie.org/8352224 is this the correct way to call it? | 16:54 |
| sledges | dunno :) | 16:54 |
| locusf | ah youre no dbus guru | 16:54 |
| w00t | you should learn qdbus, it's a lot easier than dbus-send in most cases | 16:55 |
| locusf | oh | 16:56 |
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| faenil | holy crap | 16:59 |
| faenil | lots of stuff happened while I was away | 16:59 |
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| locusf | w00t: I got to give it a parameter :/ | 17:01 |
| w00t | locusf: 'qdbus' without parameters list services, then give it a service, and it'll list methods, and so on | 17:01 |
| w00t | it's all fairly straightforward | 17:02 |
| locusf | ah its just another arg | 17:02 |
| locusf | yeah it sure is | 17:02 |
| locusf | well hmm it doesn't work :D | 17:02 |
| locusf | http://pastie.org/8352245 | 17:03 |
| w00t | hint: if you run 'export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS=unix:path=/run/user/100000/dbus/user_bus_socket', you won't need to prefix it on every command | 17:03 |
| w00t | path should be optional, and if provided, it wants a full path to save the image to | 17:04 |
| locusf | http://pastebin.com/5Pep23Gi | 17:04 |
| w00t | is your screen turned off? | 17:05 |
| locusf | even with full path it slurs out this to journalctl | 17:05 |
| locusf | hmm yes it was | 17:05 |
| w00t | turn it on | 17:06 |
| locusf | https://www.dropbox.com/s/jbzt2lbcs30kp19/foo-n9.png | 17:07 |
| locusf | turned on and now it worked | 17:07 |
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| locusf | Morpog_PC: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mzydaxaz4ivccub/foo-n9-pressed.png pressed looking good to you? | 17:08 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: and popper size etc? | 17:09 |
| locusf | w00t: thanks for the help := | 17:10 |
| locusf | *:) | 17:10 |
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| Morpog_PC | locusf, can you show popper on Q? | 17:11 |
| locusf | sure | 17:12 |
| Morpog_PC | how is the lock of shit working? | 17:12 |
| Morpog_PC | one press = activate once, press again = capslock, press again back to normal | 17:12 |
| w00t | it could be argued that the lack of shit isa good thing :) | 17:13 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2g6iwmmcfhq2kf7/2ClUnaBsn- | 17:13 |
| Morpog_PC | ROFLMAO :) | 17:14 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: I'll upload to there | 17:14 |
| Morpog_PC | shift of course | 17:14 |
| Morpog_PC | popper seems to be perfect | 17:14 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: it changes just like that | 17:15 |
| Morpog_PC | and while being capslocked the icon is black on the key light pressed state (light blue)? | 17:16 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: yes but without light blue tint at the moment | 17:16 |
| Morpog_PC | ah ok, so icon is hardly noticeable I guess :) | 17:16 |
| Morpog_PC | looks pretty cool now | 17:17 |
| locusf | yes | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | function press state works too already? | 17:17 |
| locusf | it should but I can't tell the differencec | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | really? | 17:17 |
| Morpog_PC | it should be light blue | 17:18 |
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| Morpog_PC | function has it's own presses graphics | 17:18 |
| faenil | crap, connection issues again :( | 17:18 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: I know, I have changed it but I can't see that graphics state changes vs normal character keys | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC | so a bug? | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC | or did i upload some wrong graphics? | 17:19 |
| Morpog_PC | let me check | 17:20 |
| locusf | no | 17:20 |
| locusf | the graphics are fine | 17:20 |
| Morpog_PC | ah ok | 17:21 |
| Morpog_PC | back in a few minutes | 17:21 |
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| locusf | as I suspected, onPressed doesn't trigger on function keys | 17:26 |
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| Morpog_PC | btw locusf, key sizes and spacings differ from spec it seems? | 17:33 |
| locusf | sure | 17:33 |
| Morpog_PC | :) | 17:33 |
| Morpog_PC | updated switch spec on grog blog | 17:36 |
| locusf | hmm is there are ruler for gimp .. | 17:41 |
| locusf | ah a measure tool | 17:43 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: the key is 60x37 px | 17:43 |
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| locusf | spec says for portrait 60x38 | 17:43 |
| Morpog_PC | see :) | 17:44 |
| locusf | how can you see 1px :D | 17:44 |
| Morpog_PC | now check enter key or space key, there I saw it :) | 17:44 |
| locusf | ah you got me on that | 17:44 |
| locusf | the character keys are ok then | 17:44 |
| faenil | yesss, finally nice script for router done \o/ | 17:44 |
| Morpog_PC | well, one more px wouldn't hurt, would it? :) | 17:45 |
| locusf | yeah | 17:45 |
| Morpog_PC | the bigger they are, the easier to type on them | 17:45 |
| locusf | yeah | 17:46 |
| locusf | enter key is thinner | 17:46 |
| locusf | 46 vs 54 | 17:47 |
| locusf | space is 134 vs 147 | 17:48 |
| locusf | will leave space as is | 17:48 |
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| locusf | since its even larger and that doesn't hurt | 17:49 |
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| locusf | symbols is 95 vs 102 | 17:50 |
| locusf | spacing is 10 px | 17:51 |
| Morpog_PC | space should be a bit smaller, so that enter key can be bigger | 17:51 |
| Morpog_PC | we have to make sure that we can add more keys for other languages | 17:52 |
| Morpog_PC | like in german, where we need 3 more keys | 17:52 |
| Morpog_PC | 1 more key in row 2, 3 and 4 | 17:53 |
| locusf | ok | 17:53 |
| Morpog_PC | not sure about other languages | 17:53 |
| Morpog_PC | I think german is maxing it out | 17:53 |
| qwazix | Yeah and for Greek we need one more key in middle row | 17:53 |
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| Morpog_PC | which middle row? itÄS 4 rows :D | 17:54 |
| qwazix | middle row of letters | 17:54 |
| Morpog_PC | ah ok | 17:54 |
| Morpog_PC | well, that would be easily | 17:54 |
| qwazix | I think Hungarian might even beat German in no. of keys | 17:55 |
| Morpog_PC | one more key in 3rd row can be tricky | 17:55 |
| locusf | we nordic men need öåä | 17:55 |
| Morpog_PC | qwazix, i have a look on harmattan VKB | 17:55 |
| qwazix | Some vkb's just use longpress for extra chars which is *not* optimal | 17:56 |
| Morpog_PC | meh I can't choose hungarian in my harmattan variant | 17:56 |
| qwazix | Heh | 17:56 |
| Morpog_PC | qwazix, sure, but Ö Ä and Ü are used that often in german that it's useful to have them as own keys | 17:57 |
| lpotter | alterego: pong | 17:57 |
| qwazix | Hehe, i just see ? ? and ? | 17:58 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 17:59 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/2g6iwmmcfhq2kf7/2ClUnaBsn-#lh:null-new-widths.png | 17:59 |
| locusf | new widths fixes | 17:59 |
| Morpog_PC | does popper still fit on Q or P? | 17:59 |
| locusf | yes | 18:00 |
| Morpog_PC | nice | 18:00 |
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| Morpog_PC | btw I love the screenshot function :) | 18:00 |
| locusf | me too | 18:00 |
| locusf | makes my life so much easier | 18:00 |
| Morpog_PC | much better than blurycam shots :) | 18:00 |
| locusf | yeah + smudgy fingerprints | 18:00 |
| locusf | real resolution etc | 18:01 |
| qwazix | Blackberry uses the full width and thus variable widths | 18:01 |
| qwazix | Maybe we should consider it? | 18:01 |
| Morpog_PC | on VKB? | 18:02 |
| qwazix | Yep | 18:02 |
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| Morpog_PC | hmm, well sounds like a horrible code job | 18:02 |
| qwazix | Maybe I didn't express it well... let me find a screenshot | 18:03 |
| qwazix | http://www1.pcmag.com/media/images/288592-bb10-keyboard-screenshot.jpg | 18:03 |
| Morpog_PC | how does it type on device with that keyboard locusf? | 18:04 |
| qwazix | Second row has wider keys | 18:04 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: I don't know too well as my fingers are fat :) | 18:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | qwazix, hmmmmmm, sounds irritating to get used to | 18:04 |
| Morpog_PC | we should ask a Z10 user how it feels like | 18:05 |
| qwazix | It's good (typing on the Z10 right now) | 18:05 |
| Morpog_PC | ah lol | 18:05 |
| Morpog_PC | only problem I see is popper size | 18:06 |
| Morpog_PC | would need a spacinf left right for whole area | 18:06 |
| qwazix | Not much better than harmattan though. | 18:06 |
| qwazix | And it has a slightly bigger screen which helps too. | 18:06 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, if locusf wants to try it why not | 18:07 |
| locusf | what? | 18:07 |
| locusf | ah full width keys | 18:08 |
| Morpog_PC | variable sized for keys based on width | 18:08 |
| Morpog_PC | second row would have bigger keys than first row | 18:08 |
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| qwazix | I'm not sure that the bigger keys are really worth losing the layout | 18:08 |
| Morpog_PC | also it would be lost on keyboards with more keys | 18:09 |
| Morpog_PC | like german | 18:09 |
| qwazix | Yep | 18:09 |
| Morpog_PC | or greek | 18:09 |
| Morpog_PC | ok let's not do it :) | 18:09 |
| qwazix | Exaxtly. On the N9 Greek is a perfect grid. On the Z10 the extra key is missing | 18:09 |
| Morpog_PC | locusf, can you try an extra key for row 2, 3 and 4? | 18:10 |
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| locusf | sure | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC | would be good to see if it fits | 18:10 |
| Morpog_PC | with existing spacings and key sizes of course | 18:11 |
| Morpog_PC | That way we could do alternative keymappings easily | 18:11 |
| qwazix | We shouldn't compromise usability of english layout for other layouts though | 18:12 |
| Morpog_PC | sure | 18:13 |
| qwazix | It doesn't matter if german or greek have slightly smaller keys to fit | 18:13 |
| qwazix | (or we could fake it) | 18:13 |
| qwazix | Have the same size keys and bigger mouseAreas when possible | 18:13 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: please refresh the public folder | 18:15 |
| locusf | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/286182/extra-keys.png | 18:15 |
| Morpog_PC | ok, so no easy keylayouts :) | 18:16 |
| qwazix | Morpog, the blue special keys look too similar to the normal ones color-wise | 18:17 |
| Morpog_PC | function keys would need a smaller size if tehre is an extra button in 3rd row | 18:17 |
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| Morpog_PC | qwazix, well color taken from Hurrian mockup | 18:17 |
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| qwazix | It looks like a mistake here on the Z10 and I assume that on worst screens it would be indistinguishable | 18:18 |
| locusf | it is quite difficult to tell on N9 | 18:18 |
| qwazix | I think we should lighten them a bit | 18:18 |
| Morpog_PC | the pressed color was too much I guess | 18:19 |
| qwazix | Or a tad more saturation? | 18:19 |
| qwazix | I like the subtle difference, only it's too subtle | 18:19 |
| Morpog_PC | you have 10px spacing between keys locusf? | 18:20 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: yes | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC | can you try that more key layout with 9x spacing? | 18:20 |
| locusf | sure | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC | I specced it with 8 px | 18:20 |
| locusf | it is 10px on your spec too | 18:20 |
| locusf | on top part its 8px | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC | but 9px could already be enough to have that extra button in there properly | 18:20 |
| locusf | ok | 18:21 |
| Morpog_PC | you got different spacings for each row? | 18:21 |
| locusf | nope | 18:21 |
| Morpog_PC | it would need less spacing to fit, so if it's alread 8 there then it won't work | 18:22 |
| Morpog_PC | qwazix, how about "Default blue state should be medium blue (#005f96)" | 18:23 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/286182/extra-keys-9.png | 18:25 |
| qwazix | Morpog, looks good | 18:25 |
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| qwazix | Out for dinner, cya later. | 18:28 |
| Morpog_PC | locusf, looks worse :) | 18:30 |
| Morpog_PC | we have to do smaller function keys for other layouts then | 18:31 |
| Morpog_PC | same size as normal key should work for them | 18:31 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: indeed | 18:31 |
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| Morpog_PC | so we will change function key pressed and disabled graphics | 18:32 |
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| Morpog_PC | errr function non pressed and function disabled I wanted to say | 18:33 |
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| locusf | yep | 18:36 |
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| Morpog_PC | do you want them now, or wait for github push/ pull | 18:41 |
| locusf | I'll wait for push/pull | 18:42 |
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| Morpog_PC | I hope thats not too aggressive | 19:03 |
| Morpog_PC | http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/vkb-1.png | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | heh, seeing you guys hack away reminds me of my own 'young' days :P | 19:04 |
| locusf | :) | 19:06 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly when Glacier Ltd. will be created. | 19:09 | |
| dm8tbr | the cyanogenmod of sailfish? SCNR | 19:09 |
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| locusf | scnr? | 19:12 |
| locusf | googled | 19:12 |
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| locusf | I'm hoping to have my masters thesis on open source mobile user experiences | 19:17 |
| locusf | glacier fits that quite nicely | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 19:17 |
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| ZogG_laptop | i love glacier posts | 19:22 |
| ZogG_laptop | only if qwazix would change sans fonts :P | 19:23 |
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| locusf | btw sailfish too if the sources open up | 19:25 |
| ZogG_laptop | it wouldn't | 19:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | i don't think so at least | 19:28 |
| ZogG_laptop | but why sans, why ? :) | 19:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | locusf: btw thanks for imgs :) | 19:29 |
| Morpog_PC | ZogG_laptop, which font would you prefer? | 19:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | Morpog_PC: droid :P | 19:29 |
| ZogG_laptop | joking | 19:29 |
| Morpog_PC | btw ZogG_laptop http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=540 | 19:30 |
| Morpog_PC | refresh cache if don't see a difference | 19:30 |
| ZogG_laptop | i use Liberation on my laptop | 19:31 |
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| locusf | ZogG_laptop: np | 19:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | Nokia font was good on N9 | 19:31 |
| ZogG_laptop | ha Morpog_PC btw you listed about space being in the middle on vrt kbd | 19:32 |
| Morpog_PC | ZogG_laptop, there are few open source fans that have lots of weights | 19:32 |
| Morpog_PC | well ZogG_laptop we discussed it :) | 19:32 |
| Morpog_PC | open source fonts not fans :) | 19:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | i tweeted you but i missed discussion | 19:33 |
| Morpog_PC | discussion was in here | 19:33 |
| ZogG_laptop | :) | 19:33 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah I noticed that tweet ZogG_laptop, thats why we discussed it ;) | 19:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | my point was about left/right hand thing and long/short thumb :) | 19:34 |
| Morpog_PC | yep | 19:34 |
| ZogG_laptop | btw any plans on autocorrection/compete? | 19:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | oooh, not sure if maliit does that already | 19:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | i think it does | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | i'm not how it's done in framework but it's definately possible on top of it.. | 19:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | at least on N9 it does | 19:35 |
| Morpog_PC | N9 bits are closed I think | 19:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | but the question is if would be same ? | 19:35 |
| ZogG_laptop | i love swype to change language on one side, but on other is' not always good with more than 2 languages | 19:36 |
| Morpog_PC | sailfish solution is good | 19:36 |
| Morpog_PC | long press on space | 19:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | Morpog_PC: if you have anyone with Z10 you should see the concept of inside keyboard geastures | 19:36 |
| ZogG_laptop | long press on space is android old solution | 19:37 |
| Morpog_PC | well, thats a cool feature, but I'm not a coder .) | 19:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | and does it switch or does it brings pop-up? | 19:37 |
| Morpog_PC | pop up | 19:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | meh | 19:37 |
| Morpog_PC | like on N9 on some keys | 19:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | i know | 19:37 |
| ZogG_laptop | but as you one on promoting concepts | 19:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | i thought i would just advice to check blackberry 10 keyboard | 19:38 |
| Morpog_PC | I have seen it already in videos | 19:38 |
| Morpog_PC | it's cool great stuff | 19:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | they switch with long press too. but it select automatically last used before(useful for more than 2 langs) | 19:38 |
| Morpog_PC | but I think we don't have the manpower for such stuff | 19:38 |
| ZogG_laptop | swype inside with 1 finger will delete 1 word | 19:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | with 2 - 2 words | 19:39 |
| Morpog_PC | aaah ok, thought you were refering to autocorrection | 19:39 |
| Morpog_PC | qwazix has a Z10, so he could give us some insights | 19:39 |
| ZogG_laptop | MartinK as well | 19:40 |
| ZogG_laptop | few geastures are just not well known :) | 19:40 |
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| Morpog_PC | qwazix, PR on maliit and switch changes | 19:45 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, I hope Nemo will continue as non-business project | 20:34 |
| faenil | as we see how it's becoming Sailfish, step by step :/ | 20:34 |
| faenil | evening people anyway :) | 20:35 |
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| ajalkane | Of course Nemo will be heavily influenced by Jolla's needs as long as most contributors are Jolla people (?) | 20:37 |
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| faenil | ajalkane, of course...that was not my point ;) | 20:39 |
| faenil | my point being Jolla is slowly shifting from community oriented to business oriented | 20:40 |
| Stskeeps | or reverse, in my view | 20:43 |
| ajalkane | What do you base that worry on? My superficial view is that it makes sense to be welcoming for coummunity contributions, but in the absence of them drive the project forward from business perspective. | 20:45 |
| ajalkane | I don't have any insight on community involvement, but my understanding is that there's not yet enough "critical-mass" for Nemo to be community-driven | 20:47 |
| Morpog_PC | I agree with ajalkane | 20:50 |
| Morpog_PC | but that could change if there are lots of sailfishos users that will dual boot with nemomobile :) | 20:50 |
| Morpog_PC | the sd card and hopefully non locked bootloader in jolla device comes handy | 20:51 |
| ajalkane | I think even lots of sailfishos users can dramatically change it, as sailfish uses nemo's middleware | 20:51 |
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| faenil | sorry, was watching TV :D | 20:56 |
| ajalkane | how can that be more interesting than irc :-O | 20:57 |
| faenil | Videos of italian cops misbehaving :D | 20:57 |
| ajalkane | aah... I know what you mean | 20:58 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, reverse? interesting | 20:59 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, could you elaborate more on that? | 21:00 |
| Stskeeps | as in there may be a reach back to a golden middleway.. or something | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | that the direction isnt necessarily more business, in my virw | 21:02 |
| Stskeeps | view | 21:02 |
| faenil | ok, though "may be" and "necessarily" aren't exactly encouraging :( but I understand that you're not the one who decides | 21:03 |
| Morpog_PC | faenil, maybe we should link to that page from frontpage of nemo area? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier | 21:03 |
| Stskeeps | . | 21:04 |
| Morpog_PC | , | 21:04 |
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| Stskeeps | you dont really turn a large group of community people into corporate closed.source monsters in a year :P | 21:05 |
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| faenil | argh, freaking connection | 21:09 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, slowly moving, I said | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | you dont really turn a large group of community people into corporate closed.source monsters in a year :P | 21:10 |
| faenil | yeah read from weblog ;) | 21:10 |
| faenil | I'm getting that impression...glad to know you don't think the same | 21:10 |
| faenil | as you may know by now, I'm very direct and honest when it comes to feedback, so I thought it'd be better to provide some before it's too late :P | 21:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 21:12 |
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| Stskeeps | more on that at some other point.. now sleeping time | 21:14 |
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| sledges | z) | 21:19 |
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| faenil | argh, got to call technician again | 21:28 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, you're networking expert | 21:28 |
| faenil | right? :) | 21:28 |
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| Anssi| | faenil, connection dropping? | 21:32 |
| faenil | yep, SNR issues | 21:32 |
| faenil | technician came twice already | 21:32 |
| faenil | switched me to another line | 21:32 |
| faenil | but still, SNR fluctuates | 21:32 |
| faenil | from 15db to 0db | 21:32 |
| Anssi| | weird.. | 21:34 |
| faenil | I guess it's because phone line is not insulated | 21:35 |
| faenil | right now I have 1db SNR margin | 21:35 |
| faenil | about to disconnected in a short time again | 21:35 |
| Anssi| | or nsa is having problems with their bugs. :) | 21:36 |
| Anssi| | just kidding :) | 21:36 |
| Anssi| | gd | 21:36 |
| Anssi| | s/gd/gn/ | 21:36 |
| faenil | lol | 21:37 |
| Anssi| | yeah, but maybe the wiring is just bad | 21:38 |
| faenil | yeah but go figure :( | 21:39 |
| faenil | I'd fix it myself if I could... | 21:39 |
| faenil | built some script to build some log files in the meanwhile | 21:39 |
| faenil | so I can show them to the technician | 21:39 |
| Anssi| | what about attenuation ? | 21:40 |
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