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nightmare04 | sledges, you are here?:) | 00:17 |
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nightmare04 | Hi, who know how install jolla xt9 packages on N9 Nemo | 01:17 |
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MFaro-Tusino | hello! | 07:09 |
MFaro-Tusino | Could anyone provide me the memo moslo files - I am using a mac and rpm2cpio (via home-brew) isn't being nice | 07:09 |
MFaro-Tusino | Just need the zImage-moslo and initrd-moslo :) | 07:10 |
MFaro-Tusino | Thanks in advance | 07:10 |
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faenil | MFaro-Tusino, ping me in 1h or so ;) | 07:23 |
MFaro-Tusino | okay okay | 07:23 |
MFaro-Tusino | t-minus 60 set :p | 07:23 |
faenil | :) | 07:23 |
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stephg | morning! | 07:43 |
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coderus | he there! | 08:30 |
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coderus | hi! | 08:30 |
sledges | gd mrnng! | 08:30 |
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coderus | any news of using sailfish os repos on Nemo? | 08:31 |
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MFaro-Tusino | It can be done no? | 08:33 |
MFaro-Tusino | Isn't that how they got Sailfish on N950 | 08:33 |
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MFaro-Tusino | N9 stays at | 08:35 |
MFaro-Tusino | *Stays at Nemo boot screen - any thoughts on what I did wrong? | 08:35 |
coderus | i'm talking about http://piggz.co.uk/?q=blog/2013/12/01/how-break-perfectly-good-n950 | 08:35 |
MFaro-Tusino | It used to work flawlessly all the time | 08:35 |
coderus | anybody tried? | 08:35 |
jussi | coderus: I suggest you join #n950club | 08:36 |
MFaro-Tusino | I am in the process now - just need to get Nemo booting | 08:36 |
niqt | morning | 08:39 |
stephg | morning! | 08:40 |
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coderus | how to disable repositories? | 08:46 |
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MFaro-Tusino | any suggestions about this nemo splash screen not going away? | 08:47 |
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coderus | MFaro-Tusino: when i installed nemo i forgot to use --numeric-owner options when unpacking tar ;) | 08:50 |
coderus | MFaro-Tusino: chheck that :) | 08:50 |
MFaro-Tusino | I didn't use tar - i simply extracted using gui and copied over - will retry with --numeric-owner this time. Thanks Coderus | 08:51 |
coderus | MFaro-Tusino: you should use tar | 08:52 |
MFaro-Tusino | yeah I know - i was just being lazy | 08:52 |
coderus | MFaro-Tusino: permissions and ownership should be saved ;) | 08:52 |
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MFaro-Tusino | Coderus: getting a weird operation not permitted error :/ | 09:01 |
faenil | MFaro-Tusino, numeric owner is vital | 09:02 |
MFaro-Tusino | yeah i am using that now | 09:02 |
MFaro-Tusino | but still getting operation not permitted | 09:02 |
MFaro-Tusino | though it seems files are being written to my device | 09:03 |
coderus | MFaro-Tusino: sudo | 09:03 |
MFaro-Tusino | i did sudo | 09:03 |
coderus | remove everything | 09:03 |
coderus | and sudo tar | 09:03 |
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MFaro-Tusino | I removed everything but boot-orig and lost+found | 09:05 |
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Stskeeps | Hurrian: followup on the tzdata issue - it's a UI problem; the factual timezone will be set correctly | 10:27 |
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fk_lx | There was in Harbour FAQ "You can support us with that effort, please ask in Nemo project how to help with Python." | 10:45 |
fk_lx | so I'm asking how to help with Python? | 10:45 |
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w00t | thp: ^ | 10:51 |
fk_lx | w00t: thanks | 10:51 |
fk_lx | thp: how can I help with Python on Nemo? | 10:51 |
fk_lx | or rather mer | 10:52 |
fk_lx | *Mer | 10:52 |
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fk_lx | would really like to help with that | 11:04 |
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tbr | IIRC there was previously some discussion about this here on this channel | 11:10 |
tbr | might help to check logs | 11:10 |
fk_lx | well there are many discussions, but what is the current state and what is needed now | 11:12 |
* fk_lx goes to check logs | 11:12 | |
MFaro-Tusino | faenil: Still getting operation not permitted errors | 11:21 |
faenil | MFaro-Tusino, sorry I didn't follow before, mind summing up what you did and the current error? | 11:21 |
MFaro-Tusino | despite using sudo, and --numeric-owner | 11:21 |
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MFaro-Tusino | okay so I am using a Mac, which is the biggest problem clearly | 11:21 |
fk_lx | tbr w00t: I've checked logs from whole October and November and there is no information how to help with Python, so I would like to know that, if I want to help how can I do that | 11:22 |
faenil | w00t, https://twitter.com/dipeshsebastian/status/407821337638346752 | 11:22 |
tbr | hmmm, too bad | 11:23 |
MFaro-Tusino | faenil: i've flashed the kernel, and have the alt_os exported, and did sudo tar -xvf ~/Downloads/nemo-rnd-n950-20131120.tar.bz2 -C /Alt_OS/Mount/Point/ | 11:24 |
MFaro-Tusino | but as it goes through the files, it says (for example) x ./opt/qmlcalendar/images/icon_11.pngtar: qtn_file_apply_to_path(./opt/qmlcalendar/images/icon_11.png): Operation not permitted | 11:25 |
faenil | :/ | 11:27 |
faenil | you're not extracting with numeric-owner btw | 11:27 |
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coderus | faenil: can you help me with jolla repositories on n9? :) | 11:29 |
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faenil | coderus, I haven't played with that myself, but I can try | 11:30 |
coderus | faenil: okay | 11:30 |
faenil | coderus, (so I don't know if there's any needed trick) | 11:30 |
coderus | i'm just stuck at | 11:30 |
MFaro-Tusino | Faenil: yeah I am - I just left that part out of what I sent you | 11:30 |
coderus | Authentication required for 'https://download.jollamobile.com/nemo:/mw/latest_armv7hl/' | 11:31 |
coderus | :D | 11:31 |
faenil | coderus, that is the rnd repo, it's not open | 11:31 |
coderus | MFaro-Tusino: seems your sudo not gaining access to mount point | 11:31 |
coderus | or you mounted it as read-only | 11:31 |
faenil | MFaro-Tusino, do you get operation not permitted for all files or just some? | 11:31 |
MFaro-Tusino | seems all | 11:31 |
coderus | MFaro-Tusino: remount partition with read-write | 11:32 |
MFaro-Tusino | coderus: not mounted as read-only - I can write to it with simple drag and drop and cp | 11:32 |
coderus | MFaro-Tusino: okay | 11:32 |
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coderus | do sudo su | 11:32 |
coderus | and execute tar here | 11:32 |
coderus | faenil: hmm, how then it come to me | 11:33 |
coderus | faenil: just followed steps | 11:33 |
MFaro-Tusino | coderus: what do you mean by "execute tar here" | 11:34 |
faenil | coderus, don't know how that ended up in your stuff, which steps? | 11:34 |
faenil | MFaro-Tusino, first sudo su, then tar | 11:34 |
MFaro-Tusino | faenil: he is using piggz's guide | 11:34 |
faenil | link pls | 11:34 |
MFaro-Tusino | http://piggz.co.uk/?q=blog/2013/12/01/how-break-perfectly-good-n950 | 11:35 |
coderus | and rzr too | 11:35 |
coderus | http://www.who.is.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=n950club | 11:35 |
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faenil | coderus, are you following that guide? I can see it talks about auth required too there | 11:36 |
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MFaro-Tusino | ciders, faenil: used sudo su, now I only get operation not permitted for | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | x ./dev/ptmxtar: qtn_file_apply_to_path(./dev/ptmx): Operation not permitted | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | x ./dev/pts/ | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | x ./dev/fulltar: qtn_file_apply_to_path(./dev/full): Operation not permitted | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | x ./dev/zerotar: qtn_file_apply_to_path(./dev/zero): Operation not permitted | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | x ./dev/nulltar: qtn_file_apply_to_path(./dev/null): Operation not permitted | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | x ./dev/urandomtar: qtn_file_apply_to_path(./dev/urandom): Operation not permitted | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | x ./dev/randomtar: qtn_file_apply_to_path(./dev/random): Operation not permitted | 11:39 |
faenil | bettery xD | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors. | 11:39 |
faenil | bettery | 11:39 |
faenil | better, grr | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | heheh | 11:39 |
MFaro-Tusino | ergh, why did it change it to ciders, must not know I feel like a drink :p | 11:40 |
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faenil | coderus, fixed your issue? | 12:08 |
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coderus | faenil: yes, it working | 12:23 |
coderus | :) | 12:23 |
faenil | ok :) | 12:23 |
coderus | just missed sdk ssh password. and new password not saving ;( | 12:24 |
coderus | rzr wrota about it, i missed this =( | 12:25 |
coderus | i need root access exploit for nemo/sailfish :) | 12:25 |
tbr | just mount through moslo and reset the passwords with known hashes in /etc/shadow | 12:26 |
tbr | both root and nemo | 12:26 |
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fk_lx | So once again, how can I help with Python app support on Jolla? (asking here as suggested in Harbour FAQ) | 12:34 |
faenil | coderus, ah :D | 12:36 |
tbr | sledges, faenil, so, what's the python story? | 12:37 |
faenil | tbr, no idea :/ | 12:38 |
tbr | faenil: who knows and why does harbour point to us here? | 12:38 |
faenil | tbr, I don't know who knows, I only know thp working on python libs, maybe w00t ? | 12:39 |
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fk_lx | w00t do you know something? :-) | 12:48 |
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thp | tbr: python story is: python 3 + pyotherside will end up in nemo mw, from there, harbour apps will be able to depend on it once the api is stable / tested | 12:50 |
coderus | tbr: doing, thanks :) | 12:51 |
fk_lx | but the question is how one can support the effort as it was stated (on Harbour) | 12:51 |
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fk_lx | "Can I submit Python applications? Currently not, there are some enablers missing for that. But we are working on it, to make that happen. You can support us with that effort, please ask in Nemo project how to help with Python." | 12:51 |
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faenil | thp, the question was more "how do I support the python story since FAQ sent me here" | 12:53 |
fk_lx | faenil: +1 | 12:53 |
thp | ah.. well.. that's easy | 12:54 |
thp | zypper ar http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer-python3/latest_armv7hl/mer-python3.repo | 12:54 |
thp | then install, test and create a pyotherside-using qml application | 12:55 |
thp | you can basically re-use the existing sailfish application template | 12:55 |
thp | just import the pyotherside module and use it from there | 12:55 |
faenil | but how to bring the effor further, I mean, this is just a way to test if it's working | 12:56 |
fk_lx | exactly | 12:56 |
thp | at the moment, it's mostly about testing the existing libs and see if they can be used in real-world apps (they should be) | 12:56 |
faenil | okie | 12:56 |
thp | everything else is just promoting it inside our repos | 12:56 |
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fk_lx | which libs would be good to test? | 12:57 |
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fk_lx | and is there any roadmap/todo/bug list for pyotherside? | 12:58 |
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fk_lx | can my questions can get an answer or it requires them to be asked again by other persons? | 13:03 |
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tbr | by looking around I'd say https://github.com/thp/pyotherside/issues is the closest I see to an roadmap/todo/bug list, maybe thp can comment on it? | 13:12 |
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thp | tbr: as far as nemo is concerned, https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/pyotherside | 13:15 |
tbr | ok, thanks | 13:15 |
faenil | thp, roadmap/current issues/things worth looking into? | 13:17 |
thp | faenil: right now, it's mostly about waiting for things to trickle into repos on our side.. if third party apps use it and test it, that'd be the best for now (from mer-python3 repos) | 13:20 |
faenil | ah ok so there's not much that can be done except testing, it's just about waiting for Jolla | 13:21 |
faenil | and if someone really wants to contribute, just test and make sure stuff works | 13:21 |
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fk_lx | and what about PyPy, some time ago it was also optimized for ARM, is it also planned to be available in Nemo/Sailfish? | 13:33 |
fk_lx | as an alternative to CPython? and what about the Qt bindings for PyPy? | 13:34 |
wazd | thp: woo! :P | 13:37 |
faenil | wazd, o/ | 13:38 |
wazd | faenil: heya | 13:38 |
thp | wazd: yo yo yo | 13:40 |
thp | wazd: what's up in gfx land? | 13:40 |
wazd | thp: not much, had a very long break in designing things, trying to keep up right now. Congrats on Jolla release! :) | 13:42 |
thp | wazd: thx :) will we see something like meecast for sailfish? | 13:45 |
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wazd | faenil: I was trying to start with something, found Nemo logo reeealy nice (quite a spot-on concept wise) but I've tweaked it a lil' bit https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Nemo/Logo/1.png | 13:45 |
fk_lx | wazd: looks nice, you know there was voting for the current logo, so why not to propose it on mailing list | 13:46 |
faenil | yes, that would be the way :) | 13:46 |
wazd | thp: If you'd ask nicely ;D Kiddin', actually I haven't been in touch with Vlad for some time, probably he's up to something. Meanwhile JollaHQ totally ignored my tweet with this: https://twitter.com/andrewzhilin/status/394506421057753088/photo/1/large | 13:48 |
wazd | thp: so I guess it's not that urgent :D | 13:48 |
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wazd | fk_lx: will do | 13:49 |
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fk_lx | wazd: good :-) | 13:49 |
wazd | fk_lx, faenil: I've just added a little bit of "geeky" side to it, since Indian navy insignia has this loop on top, and Mr. Nemo was guess who :D | 13:50 |
Hurrian | Stskeeps: thanks for ACK on the issue! :) | 13:50 |
faenil | :D | 13:50 |
faenil | wazd, Hurrian made the first glacier mockups, if you want to have some ideas exchange, this is the right moment :P | 13:51 |
wazd | faenil, Hurrian: oh, cool, hey Hurrian :D | 13:52 |
Hurrian | ohai wazd | 13:52 |
fk_lx | btw. anyone can answer the question about PyPy and also about what libs would be good to test in Python apps (one of previous questions) targetted at Nemo/Sailfish | 13:52 |
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faenil | fk_lx, not sure asking every 10mins will help :P | 13:53 |
fk_lx | you asking was more effective, so maybe you can ask that, would be good to know | 13:57 |
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Flowcont | is anyone looking at the GPS adaptations needed for N9/N950? | 15:38 |
sledges | Flowcont: nobody is looking into that, Flowcont . Would you volunteer? ;) I reckon you've come across this one already: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950#GPS | 15:40 |
Flowcont | yes | 15:41 |
Flowcont | and after some digging with strace and nepd in the N9 | 15:41 |
Flowcont | I have realized the wiki page is pointing to an archive page | 15:41 |
sledges | archive? | 15:42 |
Flowcont | http://redmine.replicant.us/projects/replicant/wiki/BCM4751 | 15:42 |
faenil | there are some guys working on reverse engineering Nokia's protocol | 15:42 |
faenil | yeah, that one I guess | 15:42 |
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faenil | also, I think juiceme worked on it not long time ago | 15:42 |
Flowcont | in that page it seems that the work is already done regarding MEIF | 15:43 |
Flowcont | isn't it? | 15:43 |
sledges | that would be good news | 15:44 |
faenil | don't know | 15:44 |
* sledges updates wiki by removing the archive link | 15:44 | |
sledges | thanks Flowcont | 15:44 |
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Morpog_PC | wazd, feel free to contribute to nemo-artwork or glacier-controls-spec repos | 18:16 |
Morpog_PC | https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec | 18:16 |
Morpog_PC | https://github.com/Morpog/nemo-artwork | 18:16 |
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Morpog_PC | Don't think we should change Nemo Icon again, just after it got voted by community | 18:18 |
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wazd | Morpog_PC: well, it's not quite "change", more like a minor refreshment :) | 18:28 |
sledges | I do appreciate wazd research and jump start (having nicely researched even bigger depths, no pun intended http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NAVY/Ranks/Captain.gif although loop's also applies to australian navy) | 18:28 |
wazd | But it's just a warm up for my brain so I guess I don't mind to work with current one :) | 18:29 |
Morpog_PC | I just think we should avoid redoing stuff over and over ;) | 18:30 |
Morpog_PC | with our limited ressources | 18:30 |
wazd | sledges: well, since Disney's Nemo was from Australia :D | 18:30 |
sledges | xD | 18:30 |
sledges | +1 Morpog_PC | 18:31 |
Morpog_PC | I like the idea and look of wazd's logo still | 18:31 |
sledges | +1 | 18:31 |
sledges | +1 for the logo tinker looking at it as wazd's warmup | 18:32 |
Morpog_PC | btw, does Jolla device include Nemo logo in about section anywhere? | 18:32 |
Morpog_PC | faenil, ? | 18:32 |
faenil | no logos at all | 18:33 |
Morpog_PC | thx | 18:34 |
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Morpog_PC | I see why qwazix is so quiete lately, he is busy doing Jolla apps :) | 18:35 |
sledges | :D and locusf ;) | 18:35 |
* sledges just busy working | 18:35 | |
Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: we do link to it on sailfishos.org though | 18:35 |
wazd | Morpog_PC: and as for resources, I'm a sorta kinda UI/UX specialist so no worries, We're going to whip some close sourced ass :P | 18:35 |
Morpog_PC | locusf i smore busy bricking his device by hacky adventures ;) | 18:35 |
sledges | Stskeeps: Morpog_PC was thinking about impact of nemo logo change if it's already out in the wild on jollas | 18:36 |
Morpog_PC | wazd, that sounds great! I'm just doing it as a hobby though | 18:36 |
Morpog_PC | qwazix, is a designer in real life afaik | 18:36 |
qwazix | just one app right now :) thought it deserves it | 18:36 |
sledges | nice, everyone's buzzing ^_^ | 18:36 |
Morpog_PC | hey qwazix, wazd wants to join our design efforts | 18:37 |
wazd | o/ | 18:37 |
qwazix | Welcome wazd | 18:38 |
wazd | qwazix: thanks :) | 18:38 |
fk_lx | :-) | 18:38 |
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wazd | also, to restrain my thoughts I wanted to know what are current goals of Glacier UI/UX | 18:39 |
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wazd | I mean, should it behave the same way as its closed source counterparts for porting ease | 18:40 |
Morpog_PC | are you refering to silica? | 18:41 |
fk_lx | wazd: qwazix is the lead/master Glacier UI design person | 18:41 |
qwazix | No, that's not the plan, though we pondered a compatibility layer (api wise) | 18:41 |
qwazix | just a sec, to get a real keyboard to type on | 18:42 |
Morpog_PC | wazd, as far as I get it, faenil tries to stay compatible with vanilla QQC | 18:42 |
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qwazix | Anyway the idea is to be a modern, usable UI focused on productivity | 18:45 |
qwazix | If we can achieve compatibility with as many apps as possible the linux way, even if they don't look consistent, it'll do us good, but we still want our core experience to be high quality | 18:47 |
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qwazix | In my opinion our goal (and differentiating factor) should be that app-developers won't have to ditch features from their apps because the UI is constraining them. | 18:49 |
sledges | and how can we achieve that yet maintaining high quality native experience? | 18:51 |
qwazix | I think the header and dock, and the resizing behavior of the apps in many situations is in that direction | 18:53 |
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Morpog_PC | The header dock is a perfect example | 18:53 |
Morpog_PC | If we can get developers using that for theri apps it will be consistent overall | 18:53 |
qwazix | wazd, I like the modified logo, but as Morpog_PC said it's still quite new to change it again | 18:53 |
qwazix | but we might ponder that for nemo 2.0 | 18:54 |
qwazix | sledges, also notifications and dialogs do not obstruct your view and allow to continue working | 18:55 |
qwazix | and while that might not make much sense on a 800x480 4" screen, on a modern phablet, it makes huuge difference | 18:55 |
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wazd | qwazix: got it :) | 19:30 |
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wazd | qwazix: and the last question: what's the bottom hardware for UI to deliver smooth performance? | 19:31 |
Morpog_PC | wazd, I guess N9 / N950 | 19:32 |
Morpog_PC | there is no well working hw adaption for N900 on wayland | 19:32 |
wazd | Morpog_PC: cool (not cool :( ) thanks :) | 19:33 |
Morpog_PC | even N9 hw adaption is not that well yet | 19:34 |
qwazix | wazd, haven't discussed it very much but it has been thrown around to try for perfect performance on 3y/o hardware at any given time | 19:34 |
qwazix | so 4y/o can suffer from reduced framerate but not unusable | 19:34 |
qwazix | but this is just theory unless we have proper hw adaptations for those devices | 19:35 |
Morpog_PC | and soon with libhybris we could have alot more devices to target on | 19:35 |
qwazix | (It's more like design the UI / core apps to be performant on that hardware, if the drivers are alright) | 19:36 |
Morpog_PC | especially if tehre are alot of people doing the work to get sailfish OS on their device :) | 19:36 |
qwazix | w00t, remember when I told you that a shipping Sailfish will bring attention to nemo? :-P | 19:38 |
sledges | got you qwazix | 19:38 |
qwazix | maybe if Qt 5.1 supports X11 again we can use Glacier on nemo X11 too (just sayin') | 19:40 |
special | Qt supports X11 just fine | 19:41 |
special | lipstick does not anymore | 19:41 |
special | and the other pieces that were necessary in nemo X11 like mcompositor are archived and dead | 19:41 |
qwazix | I remember a project which delayed upgrade to qt5 to go straight to 5.1 because something X11 related was missing | 19:42 |
special | well, nemo is already on 5.1 ;) | 19:42 |
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qwazix | :nod: | 19:42 |
special | the N9 might be the last piece of [relevant] X11 hardware you ever see. | 19:42 |
qwazix | yep but there are still quite a few N9xx's around so someone might want to do a frankenemo | 19:43 |
qwazix | (not me) | 19:43 |
special | then they should improve wsegl and get wayland :p | 19:44 |
qwazix | as X11 is still much faster on those (Nokia optimisations?) | 19:44 |
special | the lack of direct rendering for wayland is the biggest performance problem there, I think; tearing would be some difficult fix in wsegl | 19:46 |
special | direct rendering isn't much of a priority because newer GPUs can handle compositing without a sweat | 19:47 |
qwazix | :nod: | 19:48 |
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w00t | the wsegl actually has code for tearfree flipping, it's just not working for reasons that I never figured out | 20:06 |
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krnlyng | hi, i am having an issue with nemo, i can boot it but it always says recharge battery (battery is shown as 0% although it is charged) and there also seem to be issues with orientation but i don't know, i am trying to update to sailfish but it seems the underlying issues are nemo related because it reacts the same way in both os's | 20:44 |
krnlyng | (nokia n9) | 20:45 |
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sledges | krnlyng: recharge battery is a dummy notification, is not a critical bug | 20:56 |
krnlyng | sledges: so it cannot read the battery value? | 20:57 |
krnlyng | because it always shows 0% | 20:57 |
sledges | yes, battery subsystem adaptation of n9 needs work | 21:00 |
krnlyng | ok | 21:00 |
sledges | would you like to look into it krnlyng ? more than welcomd, can give you pointers in what i can | 21:16 |
krnlyng | i could look into it | 21:16 |
krnlyng | but a question, nitdroid seems to have hardware support for many things, couldn't we just look it up there? | 21:17 |
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sledges | krnlyng: it's all about writing a statefs plugin (reusing contextkit plugin from nemo x11 times), and this will tie in nicely with nemo middleware which sailfish uses too. nitdroid backports wont make sailfish happy | 21:32 |
sledges | since at kernel level battery api is the same across n9 | 21:34 |
krnlyng | sledges: do i need a cross-toolchain? | 21:36 |
sledges | mer platform sdk has it all | 21:37 |
faenil | krnlyng, if you want to give a hand with statefs stuff and you have issues, deztructor is the guy to contact :D | 21:43 |
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sledges | krnlyng: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-08-23.log.html#t2013-08-23T13:37:10 | 21:48 |
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sledges | deztructor in action ^ :) | 21:51 |
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