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| Sage | plundstr: phaeron: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-mobile-session/pull/2 | 06:46 |
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| phaeron | Sage: looks ok to me | 06:51 |
| plundstr | sage: yes, go ahead | 06:53 |
| Sage | k | 06:57 |
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| nodevel | Just an update on my yesterday's testing - the cssu update went fine (except for the, apparently known, camera problem), system works and is super fast. Only request would be to change Hellium for (something like) Cutefox, as the former is unusable and latter works fine. | 07:21 |
| nodevel | But why I'm writing this in the first place... Is there any way to help translate Nemo? Couldn't find anything. | 07:22 |
| phaeron | it's planned. needs some infra work | 07:24 |
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| nodevel | ok, thanks. I can help then, when it's ready. | 07:28 |
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| niqt | morning | 07:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello niqt | 07:53 |
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| niqt | hi Sfiet_Konstantin, unfortunately at work I have problems with the proxy and can be a little on the channels | 08:07 |
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| rozhkov | Sage: what's our policy regarding packages whose upstream doesn't use any public VCS. Should we use github.com/nemomobile-packages for them? | 08:29 |
| kontio_ | rozhkov: in any case for upstream projects nemomobile-packages should be used | 08:29 |
| kontio_ | nemomobile should just be used for things which Nemo is upstream... | 08:30 |
| kontio_ | if hunspell just comes with tar balls then probably git-pkg should be used... | 08:31 |
| rozhkov | kontio_: ok, thanks | 08:31 |
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| kontio_ | but don't ask me about git-pkg :-) lbt_away and phaeron know that beast... | 08:32 |
| Stskeeps | rozhkov: have a chat with iamer | 08:34 |
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| rozhkov | Stskeeps: kontio_: ok, iamer has pointed me to the right solution | 08:36 |
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| Sage | rozhkov: as kontio said :) | 08:54 |
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| sledges | rozhkov, please share your solution for greater good of https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Sledge/Nemo/Development | 09:37 |
| sledges | (the second 'then what?' is your case :) | 09:37 |
| sledges | nodevel, great news. What are your next plans? :) | 09:39 |
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| rozhkov | sledges: ok, i will. still fighting with packaging | 09:43 |
| sledges | nodevel, so the ssu update worked, but the old method ("Updating via command line") broke your system instead? | 09:44 |
| sledges | sposibo, rozhkov, thanks! :) | 09:44 |
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| nodevel | sledges: My next plans are exams for the next 1-2 weeks :) I'll see what I'll do next, but was thinking about the localization. | 10:19 |
| nodevel | sledges: Yep, ssu worked fine. The 'Updaing via command line' had two different outcomes: 1st try resulted in system crash during the update and then corrupted rpm database. | 10:20 |
| sledges | 1st is a known bug, deleting bits under /var/lib (iirc) solves | 10:21 |
| nodevel | The 2nd try it also crashed during the update, but I couldn't boot then. | 10:21 |
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| nodevel | Don't have the log anymore, though. | 10:22 |
| sledges | ah, so the update crashed only once | 10:23 |
| sledges | otherwise (the 1st time) it worked | 10:23 |
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| nodevel | I guess, but since it crashed in the middle of the update, the system wasn't up to date. Maybe if I rebuilt the database and continued updating, the 2nd option would occur afterwards... :) | 10:24 |
| sledges | hummm | 10:24 |
| nodevel | Anyways, I'd suggest switching the parts in wiki... | 10:25 |
| sledges | im sure you ran it in a screen session | 10:25 |
| nodevel | yep, I did | 10:26 |
| sledges | i was tempted, but you ran into it only once.. ;) | 10:26 |
| sledges | so can't say it's reproducible | 10:26 |
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| sledges | but another n900 tester coming along - we'll see | 10:26 |
| nodevel | true. I can try again, but I'd rather continue in a week or so, after my exam. It took my the whole yesterday. | 10:27 |
| nodevel | by switching the parts in the wiki, I just meant placing the ssu part first and then the update part, since it shouldn't really hurt anyone... | 10:28 |
| sledges | but that's not solving a problem, just swapping components ;) | 10:28 |
| sledges | it can be, that even a ssu update would crash | 10:29 |
| sledges | as it essentially is same old zypper at the end of the food chain | 10:29 |
| nodevel | I know :) I'm not proposing it as a solution to the problem, but just a logical decision path when reading the manual. | 10:29 |
| nodevel | "a person will see details about the ssu, decides not to go the ssu way and skips to the update part." | 10:29 |
| nodevel | I'll try to reproduce the behavior when I have time, alright? | 10:31 |
| nodevel | and I hope I won't succeed :) | 10:31 |
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| sledges | surely :) I got another tester via twitter on stand-by, so we'll get there in the end! | 10:32 |
| sledges | thanks very much for your effort | 10:32 |
| nodevel | ok, great. no prob | 10:32 |
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| sledges | I just wanted to give him links, and the info you just told me gave a green light to it :) | 10:34 |
| rozhkov | sledges: i've updated the wiki. thanks to phaeron packaging went smoothly | 10:34 |
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| sledges | nice! rozhkov this table starts making sense (:P to Sage :) ) | 10:36 |
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| nodevel | sledges: btw last question - if I have a proposal like removing TwimGo, Kasvopus and Newsflow from the default installation (as neither of those are (or will be in few weeks - Google Reader) working), I should fill out a bug report, right? | 10:47 |
| w00t | nodevel: i'm fine with that actually. Sage: any objection? | 10:49 |
| sledges | [11:34:45] <w00t> performance is not going to be great, you can expect around 40fps fairly consistently | 10:54 |
| sledges | on wayland this is: wasn't it right to expect increased performance over X11 ? | 10:54 |
| w00t | sledges: composition is slow, and right now, it's always composited | 10:55 |
| w00t | it's actually still faster than x11 when composited in the same scenario I tested, though | 10:56 |
| sledges | [11:34:58] <w00t> (it's always in composited mode, there is no direct rendering at this stage, maybe ever) | 10:56 |
| sledges | :) | 10:56 |
| w00t | yeah.. | 10:57 |
| sledges | :{ | 10:57 |
| sledges | due to gfx drivers not exposing wayland bindings? | 10:58 |
| w00t | not quite | 10:58 |
| w00t | direct rendering requires tinkering with a QPA plugin, and it's all a little complicated | 10:58 |
| sledges | unless we have HA <-> qpa experts around? | 11:00 |
| w00t | well, we'll see once the actual basics stabilise a bit more i guess | 11:00 |
| sledges | ok, well 40fps can't hurt much :) | 11:00 |
| sledges | but the point is to squeeze all the juices of every chip on board ;) | 11:01 |
| w00t | i'd like to see it, certainly | 11:02 |
| sledges | otherwise we'll end up in just another androidered spec war :) (btw, is this qpa tinkering only N9(50) related? ) | 11:03 |
| w00t | no, it's needed anywhere you want direct rendering | 11:03 |
| sledges | can't get my head around yet, as I'm coming from Direct3D/OpenGL/Voodoo Graphics Accelerated ancient times :D | 11:03 |
| sledges | ok, so it is a sensitive issue | 11:03 |
| sledges | nodevel, note the disclaimer on the top of https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating ;) maybe it needs to be painted red :) | 11:06 |
| w00t | with direct rendering, the point is to flip stuff from the client directly on screen instead of being composited (inside... the compositor!), which then gets shoved on screen - if that makes more sense | 11:07 |
| w00t | with direct rendering, the point is to flip stuff from the client directly on screen instead of being composited (inside... the compositor!), which then gets shoved on screen - if that makes more sense | 11:07 |
| w00t | QPlatformScreenBuffer and QPlatformScreenPageFlipper are the things to look into | 11:07 |
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| sledges | any rudimentary wayland (non-qt) apps that do this? | 11:08 |
| w00t | not really.. it's qt-only in this case given half of it lives inside the qpa plugin | 11:10 |
| w00t | and, to make life complicated, there isn't really an implementation of it in existence yet :) | 11:10 |
| sledges | means qpa plugin is device-dependent | 11:10 |
| w00t | depending on how you do it, but yes | 11:10 |
| w00t | quite possible | 11:10 |
| sledges | ah, because x11 used to take care of those things | 11:10 |
| sledges | 'cause I though of finding a non-qt direct rendering example in wayland, and wrap that in a qpa plugin | 11:12 |
| nodevel | sledges: :) yep, the disclaimer is there for a reason. of cource, it is a development release, but bugs are to be reported right? :) | 11:13 |
| nodevel | *course | 11:13 |
| sledges | most certainly! :) | 11:13 |
| w00t | sledges: http://qtl.me/0001-flippity-flip.patch | 11:14 |
| sledges | w00t, interesting, thanks! | 11:17 |
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| Venemo_ | Sage: ping | 13:06 |
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| Sage | Venemo_: pong | 13:20 |
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| Venemo_ | Sage: faenil and myself are in Tampere :) | 13:26 |
| Venemo_ | we're up to some Nemo hacking goodness | 13:27 |
| Venemo_ | but first, faenil has to finish a report for uni and I have to finish my presentation at Devaamo | 13:27 |
| sledges | welcome xavinux | 13:27 |
| sledges | you can help by browsing around virtualbox nemo apps/navigation/settings, it has many dying apps, it has demand for new ones | 13:29 |
| sledges | but if your main interest is low level (around Mer and hardware adaptation), then I suggest to try it out on a real device | 13:29 |
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| cos- | Venemo_: what are you presenting at Devaamo? is it a public event? | 13:30 |
| sledges | where you can even test your SIM card/carrier by making phone calls, trying to bring Mobile Data Internet to work, testing N9 peripherals (camera etc) | 13:30 |
| sledges | Venemo_, \o/ | 13:31 |
| Venemo_ | cos-: yes it is, I'm presenting about making user interfaces on top of Mer | 13:31 |
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| xavinux | hi sledge! | 13:31 |
| Venemo_ | sledges: actually I was thinking about finally finishing that home screen that I started a year ago | 13:31 |
| sledges | something mouth watering? ;) | 13:32 |
| Venemo_ | yes | 13:32 |
| sledges | as you are the father of lipstick-qml ;P | 13:32 |
| Venemo_ | :) | 13:32 |
| Venemo_ | I was thinking about making something that is even better than jolla's | 13:32 |
| sledges | jolla plays on shading a lot ;) | 13:32 |
| cos- | Venemo_: any info about the event? is it related to devaamo summit? | 13:33 |
| sledges | and/or fading [in addition to swipes] | 13:33 |
| Venemo_ | cos-: it _is_ Devaamo summit, yes | 13:33 |
| Venemo_ | sledges: I'm not a fan of fading myself, but I had a couple of ideas for animations | 13:34 |
| sledges | :)~ | 13:35 |
| Venemo_ | :) | 13:36 |
| sledges | ...and with a flick of a qml everyone will start liking nemo more :D how bizzare of what impact the UI can have :)) | 13:37 |
| Venemo_ | also, a lot of ideas for layout, widgets, and so on | 13:37 |
| sledges | yep, all we need is good designer(s)/brainstormer(s) and QMLer(s) :)) | 13:37 |
| sledges | job done :) | 13:37 |
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| Venemo_ | thanks sledges :) | 13:39 |
| sledges | sounds promising Venemo_ , glad you're in devaamo where one can dedicate itself 100% for such goodies :) | 13:39 |
| Venemo_ | I'm only here for a week though :) | 13:40 |
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| sledges | that's quite a lot ;) compared to how much time I can shed here.. | 13:41 |
| sledges | and without distractions :)) | 13:41 |
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| Sage | Venemo_: too bad I can't attend to the summit. However I might be at Tampere tomorrow (not entirely sure yet though) | 13:49 |
| Sage | will catch you later in IRC now I need to go for some hours. | 13:49 |
| xavinux | sledges; "where you can even test your SIM card/carrier by making phone calls, trying to bring Mobile Data Internet to work, testing N9 peripherals (camera etc)"....then report results here? And think if can start verifying solved bugs, do you think it can be useful? | 13:51 |
| sledges | yes, very much useful so | 13:51 |
| sledges | and quite often bugs are not updated, so many of them might be fixed already | 13:52 |
| Venemo_ | Sage: sure, sure, ping me anytime | 13:52 |
| sledges | would be nice to run through | 13:52 |
| sledges | s/many of them might be fixed already/many of still opened ones might be fixed already/ | 13:53 |
| xavinux | I will learn more fixing bugs that veryfing fixed ones...but think that need some expierence and know well how the core works..... | 13:58 |
| sledges | if there's an open bug, or you find a new bug, which annoy you very much, it is the best motivation to fix them yourself :) | 14:00 |
| sledges | if you ask around, people around here will help you fix them | 14:00 |
| sledges | sometimes you'll feel that you are only doing what you're told (fix line 10 in the file xyz.c but adding this code: blablabla), but that's exactly how you'll gather that experience at first | 14:01 |
| xavinux | what make me feel good, is that I can find someone here that can help me to go ahead and solve the problem, I admnistrate Linux Servers,. but I m interested in Linux mobile devices too, but I´´m new in this world...thanks | 14:08 |
| xavinux | for your attention | 14:08 |
| sledges | you're welcome and yes, I used Linux on my laptops since 2006, now it is a great feeling to have Linux in your pocket, too :) | 14:09 |
| xavinux | yes, in my notebook, in my work Servers, and in my N9! | 14:12 |
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| xavinux | till my N9 return from repair, could I start verifying bugs with Nemo´s Virtualbox OS that I´ve installed? | 14:21 |
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| xavinux | sledges till my N9 return from repair, could I start verifying bugs with Nemo´s Virtualbox OS that I´ve installed? | 14:58 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello again :) | 15:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm not often developing for N9, so I ask here | 15:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | anyone know if there is a safe dual-boot for N9 ? | 15:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for mer / nemo | 15:05 |
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| Venemo_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing | 15:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 15:17 |
| * Sfiet_Konstantin should have checked the wiki | 15:17 | |
| Venemo_ | no problem :) | 15:17 |
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| sledges | xavinux, sure! | 15:49 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#336 Rejected promotion request | 15:57 |
| xavinux | ok, I ´ve been looking at bugzilla , will pick up a Bug and will start working on it... | 16:00 |
| sledges | xavinux, the nemomobile bugzilla | 16:00 |
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| xavinux | ok looking there.... | 16:01 |
| xavinux | now | 16:01 |
| sledges | bugs.nemomobile.org | 16:01 |
| sledges | yup | 16:01 |
| sledges | you can browse by categories | 16:01 |
| sledges | UX,MX etc | 16:01 |
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| xavinux | sledges: with what bug´s status do you suggest to start working on? | 16:13 |
| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#337 Rejected promotion request | 16:19 |
| sledges | xavinux, this: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&emailassigned_to1=1&order=Importance&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&email1=not-taken%40&emailtype1=substring | 16:32 |
| xavinux | ok, reading...thank you! | 16:36 |
| sledges | just updated nemo#420 :) | 16:36 |
| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#338 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/338 | 16:36 |
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| xavinux | sledges: to start learning, can you help me with bug 17 https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=17 | 16:48 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 17 in Settings/ControlPanel "Brightness control panel does not work" [Normal,New] | 16:48 |
| xavinux | can I try to reproduce the error with Nemos´s VM iso? | 16:50 |
| sledges | sadly no | 16:50 |
| sledges | brightness adjusts N9 LCD backlight | 16:50 |
| xavinux | ao this error seems to happen only with N900 Platform.... | 16:51 |
| sledges | same problem on N9/950 think | 16:52 |
| sledges | see comment #7 on that bug | 16:52 |
| sledges | xavinux, this issue has been discussed with useful insights, you can read this through as heads up: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-01-23.log.html | 16:54 |
| sledges | here | 16:54 |
| sledges | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-01-23.log.html#t2013-01-23T11:45:37 | 16:54 |
| sledges | start ^ | 16:54 |
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| xavinux | ok, reading.... | 16:57 |
| sledges | yup, learning by reading; works wonders :) | 16:57 |
| sledges | look forward to get your n9 back ;) | 16:57 |
| xavinux | yes! | 16:59 |
| xavinux | and thanks | 16:59 |
| sledges | no probs :) enjoy! | 16:59 |
| xavinux | and sorry for so many questions, but this is a hole new world for me, very wonderful by the way, and I´m trying to learn! | 17:01 |
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| sledges | the more questions the better! | 17:06 |
| * sledges home time, laters! | 17:06 | |
| alci | Hi. I am trying to upgrade an "old" nemo install on N9. I'm not that familiar with zypper, but zypper up fails with... | 17:06 |
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| alci | Download (curl) error for 'http://repo.pub.meego.com/CE:/UX:/MTF/CEMW_MTF_armv7h1/repodata/repomd.xml | 17:07 |
| alci | If I go on, upgrade fail for first package, cannot connect to host. | 17:08 |
| alci | I am on a wifi connection that works fine otherwise (can ping google.com for example) | 17:08 |
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| phaeron | alci: servers were migrated as community meego servers were shutdown | 17:09 |
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| alci | So I have to change repositrories? What is the way ? | 17:10 |
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| phaeron | there is no easy way unless you have ssu already installed https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Updating | 17:10 |
| phaeron | maybe you should install a recent image http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/images/ | 17:11 |
| alci | Thanks phaeron, I'll go that way. Bye. | 17:11 |
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| Sage | sledges: I think the brightness control works with new controlpanel | 17:14 |
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| Sage | yes, it works | 17:28 |
| Sage | sledges: so you are already at Tampere? Any plans tommorrow between 17-19 or so? | 17:30 |
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| cybette | Sage, sledges: help us make Devaamo summit badges! :P | 17:33 |
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| Venemo_ | hey guys | 17:41 |
| Venemo_ | faenil and myself are also in Tampere :) | 17:41 |
| special | what for? | 17:42 |
| Morpog_PC | devaamo | 17:42 |
| Morpog_PC | or? | 17:42 |
| Venemo_ | Devaamo Summit of course | 17:43 |
| Venemo_ | we are also looking forward to meeting up with you guys | 17:43 |
| special | ah, fun. | 17:44 |
| Venemo_ | special: are you coming? | 17:44 |
| special | I'm in norway at the moment, and on vacation next week | 17:45 |
| Venemo_ | ah | 17:45 |
| Venemo_ | sorry | 17:45 |
| Venemo_ | cybette: wanna meet up sometime tomorrow? | 17:45 |
| Sage | Venemo_: err.. meant to ask you not sledges :D | 17:45 |
| Venemo_ | Sage: yeah, we are already here :) | 17:46 |
| Venemo_ | fk_lx is coming tomorrow | 17:46 |
| cybette | ah i was wondering if sledges was really here | 17:46 |
| Sage | any plans tomorrow around 17-19? We could get together for dinner or so. | 17:46 |
| cybette | Venemo_: well I'll be busy with summit stuff | 17:46 |
| cybette | maybe dinner and some volunteer work? ;) | 17:47 |
| Venemo_ | cybette: maybe I could help some? | 17:47 |
| cybette | :D :D :D | 17:47 |
| Venemo_ | yeah, I was going to offer my help | 17:47 |
| Venemo_ | :P | 17:47 |
| Sage | I can't unfortunately attend to the summit but would be nice to see you guys :) | 17:47 |
| Venemo_ | yeah Sage :) | 17:48 |
| Venemo_ | when are you coming? | 17:48 |
| cybette | maybe we meet 17 for dinner? | 17:48 |
| Venemo_ | you mean, 17:00 tomorrow? | 17:49 |
| Sage | well, I'm free probably after 16 or 17 not entirely sure yet. And train leaves either 19.11 or 21.11 tomorrow | 17:49 |
| cybette | Venemo_: yep 17:00 | 17:49 |
| cybette | Venemo_: where are you and faenil staying? | 17:49 |
| Venemo_ | cybette: yeah, we can go at 17:00 tomorrow | 17:49 |
| Venemo_ | cybette: we are staying in a place very close to the main square, like 5 minutes walk from there | 17:50 |
| Venemo_ | New Factory is also quite close by | 17:50 |
| cybette | nice! | 17:50 |
| Venemo_ | and the guy hosting us actually works there, how funny is that | 17:50 |
| cybette | what's his name? | 17:50 |
| Venemo_ | he's called Jarkko Niskanen | 17:51 |
| Venemo_ | he works on some sort of a mobile game | 17:51 |
| Venemo_ | I was surprised because he told that he only heard about the conference from us, but he didn't hear about it in New Factory | 17:51 |
| cybette | I guess we didn't do enough marketing :P | 17:53 |
| cybette | ah, http://www.protomo.fi/project/pact | 17:53 |
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| Venemo_ | yeah, that's it | 17:54 |
| cybette | Venemo_: leaving office now. anyway let's catch up tomorrow on irc and decide where to meet | 17:55 |
| Venemo_ | awesome! :) | 17:58 |
| Venemo_ | okay cybette, see you tomorrow :) | 17:58 |
| cybette | see you! | 17:58 |
| Venemo_ | :) | 18:00 |
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| w00t | Venemo_: have a good time | 18:17 |
| w00t | and say hello to faenil | 18:17 |
| Venemo_ | w00t: faenil sends his regards and says he'll be back one day | 18:18 |
| w00t | hehe | 18:18 |
| w00t | hopefully in one piece | 18:18 |
| Venemo_ | :D | 18:19 |
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| Venemo_ | :P | 18:21 |
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| juiceme | Sfiet_Konstantin, for a safe dual-boot for N9, consider ubiboot... fully configurable multiboot environment with built-in maintanance console :) | 22:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok :) | 22:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | seems to be nice :) | 22:34 |
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| juiceme | tha latest release 0.3.3 is very stable, it fixes the issues with some HW revisions (mainly the notorious 1603) | 22:36 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#339 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/339 | 23:30 |
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| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#340 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/340 | 23:50 |
| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#341 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/341 | 23:52 |
| Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#342 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/342 | 23:56 |
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