Wednesday, 2012-03-07

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Macerit is night time ;-)04:32
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iekkuMacer, no it's not, it's over 7am in finland05:09
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dcthangStskeeps: morn, pls check this site I cannot access it06:06
Stskeepsyeah, seems to be down06:09
Stskeepsi'll poke the admin when he's awake06:09
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: In mer's repo, could I get the rpm source of qt-mobility ?06:15
StskeepsZiQiangHuan: git clone
ZiQiangHuanStskeeps: thanks06:21
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berndhsgood night06:24
Stskeepsnite berndhs06:25
Stskeepsand good morning licl06:25
liclStskeeps:I try to find rpm package of matchbox06:26
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licland I get one in meego06:26
Stskeepsok, you might have to build it yourself06:27
liclBut it's just not a package with source files06:27
Stskeepslicl: ,
liclthank u06:29
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exman2I cannot see
exman2server down ?06:43
timoph08:09 < Stskeeps> i'll poke the admin when he's awake06:43
iekkuparking in the tre city center... 1e/h06:44
exman2I have a lenovo netbook what Intel give me at MeeGo Conf. Is there Netbook UX in mer too ?06:45
iekkunot going to come too often to work by car...06:45
dm8tbrexman2: you could try plasma-active06:45
exman2or only focus on handset ux ?06:45
dm8tbrexman2: mer doesn't have a UX at all06:45
dm8tbrexman2: UXs build on top of mer06:45
Stskeepsexman2: Mer is just a core, vendors put UIs on top and add hardware adaptations -- so there's a lot of projects on top of Mer, such as Dawati, Plasma Active, Nemo, etc06:45
StskeepsDawati is closest to a netbook ux06:46
Stskeepsbit strange concept, i know :)06:46
exman2AFAIK, plasma-active is one of KDE project. Does it use Mer as core system ?06:47
Stskeepsexman2: Plasma Active is actively building on top of Mer as well, yeah, but they're not strictly tied to Mer06:47
Stskeepsie, they also make builds on opensuse, etc06:47
dm8tbrare there dawati screenshots?06:48
dm8tbror is that just netbook-ux renamed?06:48
exman2Does Mer use zypper to like MeeGo ?06:49
Stskeepsexman2: yes06:49
Stskeepsdm8tbr: it's more free of insane licensing06:50
Stskeepsdm8tbr: i mean06:50
exman2If so... SUSE studio's goal and Mer's goal almost same. What do you think about this ?06:50
dm8tbrStskeeps: *nod*06:50
dm8tbrStskeeps: tablet *cough* ux *hark*06:50
Stskeepsexman2: suse's not really a mobile system :)06:50
Stskeepsexman2: we do things beyond code, we also deliver tools, sdks, instructions how to do OBS, QA, etc06:51
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dcthangStskeeps: looks amazing...06:51
Stskeepsexman2: Mer is derived from MeeGo 1.3 code, suited down to 322 source packages, with working systemd, qt 4.8.0, qtwebkit 2.2.1, soon qt5 available too06:52
Stskeepsexman2: meego 1.3 was ~1400 and a mess to port - Mer is available for non-Atom, Atom, ARMv6/v7 (softfp, hardfp) and MIPS32 (O32 ABI)06:52
exman2Dawati looks inherits the MeeGo Netbook 1.2(or 3) UX.06:52
Stskeepsit's a continuation of that, but without trademark strings06:53
Stskeepsthey're not related to Mer except some people take it and build it for Mer as well06:53
exman2Which company supports the Dawati ?06:53
exman2Is it pure open source ?06:53
Stskeepsexman2: looks like it to me, companies: i think it's hackers from multiple companies06:54
Stskeepssome say it'll be netbook in tizen too06:54
exman2I still use MeeGo 1.2 in my netbook. I'm going to install it :-)06:55
Stskeeps is Plasma Active on top of Mer on top of Spark device06:56
exman2So... mutter... gnome-control-center.... still used in Dawati ?06:56
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Stskeepswell, you can try to ask on gimpnet
Stskeepsbetter to ask the people who actually make it :)06:58
exman2I just joined #dawati on gimpnet :-)06:58
Stskeepsgood :)06:58
exman2someday... If I have extra time... I'm going to create new project which follows XDG standards and based on mer :-)06:59
Stskeepsyeah.. all the things i could do if i just had more time too ;)07:00
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exman2I'm a author of sentimental tizen sdk installer
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exman2Do you think that is it worth to make sentimental sdk installer for mer ? :-)07:00
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exman2Because it has MeeGo avatar for fun... It says some sentimental comment during installation.07:03
Stskeepsexman2: we don't really have a big need for that at the moment, but i must say your installer looks/works better than tizen's own :)07:03
exman2Stskeeps, thanks, I think too :-)07:04
exman2Actaully, I don't like use Java for sdk installing... So I tried to create this alternative one.07:04
timophbut at some point we should make the setup a bit more non-hacker friendly. Maybe when we do the application sdk07:05
timophthe platform one can be a bit more involved setup07:05
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Stskeepstimoph: so you have x11 forwarding working?07:10
timophdidn't try07:10
Stskeepser, x11 apps working in your sdk07:10
timophworks out of the box07:10
* Stskeeps ponders idly07:11
timophshouldn't work without forwarding?07:11
Stskeepstimoph: how would you feel about updating the qtcreator packaging?07:12
timophversion update or something else?07:13
Stskeepsversion update07:13
timophI can take the package07:13
timophhaven't been packaging stuff that much lately so could use the excercise07:14
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Stskeepslong story short, we might as well start from both ends of the app sdk story07:14
exman2Does plasma-active uses Maliit as default IME ?07:15
Stskeepsexman2: i think they were looking into it07:15
Stskeepsnot sure if it got in there yet07:15
timophso provide qt-creator with the platform sdk and start making it to work also as a application sdk07:15
Stskeepstimoph: yeah, because in practice the pieces are already there, some parts just need to be cross compiled to other targets07:16
Stskeepsgives some kind of hint how easy it is to set up07:17
exman2I've received voucher for Raspberry Pi. I'm going to try to install Mer into Pi :-)07:18
Stskeepsexman2: :)07:18
* timoph planning to run saunabad's AR stuff on it on top of Mer07:19
exman2Anybody use fakevim on qtcreator with auto complete feature ?07:20
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Stskeepstimoph: on top of qt creator, you'd need qmake installed, a cross toolchain and possibly a sysroot07:23
Stskeepsso you see where i'm going with this07:24
timophStskeeps: ok. let's go through that when I get there07:24
Stskeepslet's get sb2 working first though07:24
* timoph ponders how to get it to work with windows07:25
timophsince we really need to do that at some point07:25
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Stskeepsi have some ideas but i'd like to wait with that until we have sb2 patches in obs07:26
Stskeepsfor now we just need to provide something that possibly can be VM'ed07:27
timophdamn. virtual machine run out of disk space :/07:28
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Stskeepsfor now we just need to provide something that possibly can be VM'e07:28
Stskeepssorry for repeat07:28
Stskeepscaffeine getting to me ;)07:28
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djszapihi, is alsa provided by mer or ui layers ?08:01
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Stskeepsdjszapi: mer08:04
djszapiStskeeps: nice, what about pulse ?08:04
Stskeepspulse too08:04
djszapishall I propose openal-sft then against mer, too ?08:04
Stskeepsthe general reason for those two is that it has to be there for basic functionality for everyone08:05
Stskeepstest it out and mature it in a middleware layer of a UI first and then propose as it gains more maturity08:05
Stskeeps / acceptance around08:06
djszapiopenal-soft is not tight to an ui layer.08:06
djszapiit is just a 3d audio backend.08:06
Stskeepsyea, but still, there's some things we have in for instance nemo08:06
Stskeepsin the middleware sections08:07
djszapithat way, I can miss it08:07
Stskeepsmer == needs to be there stuff08:07
djszapiand I start packaging for our ui layer, too08:07
djszapiso there might be some duplication that way.08:07
djszapiI cannot potentially check out all the ui layers what they do.08:07
Stskeepseither way, let it mature first and then propose it as a task bug in project-core08:08
djszapiisn't there a testing repository for mer ?08:09
Stskeepsno, that's out in the vendors, we don't intend on packaging everything in mer08:09
Stskeepsin fact, we try to keep it to a low number of packages as to make it able to be maintained on low man power08:09
djszapi -> interesting.08:10
Stskeepssome of those are duplicates08:11
djszapimight be easier to discuss these things personally with vgrade today :)08:11
djszapiStskeeps: which repository is pulseaudio in if not this mer extras ?08:13
Stskeepsdjszapi: it's in mer itself,
djszapiI would like to check out the package names openal-soft will depend on.08:13
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djszapioh it is not (c-)obs ?08:14
Stskeepsno, mer isn't built in COBS08:14
djszapiand where are the packages published (url) ?08:14
Stskeepsand before you ask about gpl compliance, packages-git/ is it, scripts and everything provided to combine with a OBS to build entire Mer is in there08:17
phaeronalso you can branch or copypac packages from mer to cobs08:17
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Stskeepswe don't carry srpms because of the reason that they do not satisfy the GPL criteria that you can use them to rebuild the same software08:17
Stskeepsand in most causes would yield different results than our released binary rpms08:18
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kimjuStskeeps, hmm.. what is the problem with srpm's, why they don't produce the same software when rebuild?08:26
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Stskeepskimju: long story short in many packages scripts like baselibs.conf and aren't mentioned in Source*:, and some packages while-building modify those files and they become part of the srpm, and not able to build again based on those modifications08:27
Stskeepskimju: on top of that, there are types of packages that don't build without some specific elements from the OBS project configuration, or package links between them, such as rpm-python -> rpm, or the stuff that enables cross compilation08:28
Stskeepsso we provide a fakeobs/mer delivery system that takes the format we have, that provides everything in a network accessible server that a OBS can build from08:28
Stskeepswhich is == the way we build mer packages in the first place08:29
Stskeepsi had massive trouble building meego from srpms alone08:31
Stskeepsso that's why we do it this way08:31
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slaineHmmmm, is not responding still08:37
Stskeepsyeah, waiting for alterego to wake up08:37
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alteregoStskeeps: my server has gone dead, waiting to hear from tech support.08:57
alteregoThink it's network outage, I would have known last night but my internet at home is getting to the point of being unusable in the evening.08:57
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alteregoGoing to be making a few angry phone calls today I can tell.08:58
Stskeepshow's migration going, btw?08:58
alteregoWell, after today I'll probably try to do most of it this afternoon ;)08:59
alteregoI'll let you all know as soon as I hear back from bytemark.09:01
Stskeepsmorn lbt09:01
alteregoThere doesn't look to be any service notices on their website though.09:02
Stskeepsalterego: it responds to ping, but not to http09:02
lbtalterego: I'm out for a while early pm09:02
alteregolbt: well I'll get as much done that I can do by myself, mainly transfering database and installing wiki09:02
Stskeepslbt: can we do >4gb KVMs, btw?09:03
alteregoWould you like me to document all the config changes?09:03
djszapiStskeeps: sorry, I had to leave the hotel in no time, but now back :)09:03
lbtStskeeps: yes, anything09:03
lbtalterego: no need, I have a remote audit system09:03
alteregodjszapi: sorry for not replying to your PMs the other day, my internet connection has gone from bad to worse in the evenings :(09:03
alteregolbt: awesome :)09:03
djszapialterego: no worries, I was not still able to solve the isuse :p09:04
lbtalterego: when you start work let me know and I'll go through it09:04
djszapiStskeeps: I am not sure what you said about OBS above and combined scripts.09:04
lbtessentially it does etckeeper (etc in git) for any config dirs on a remote box09:04
alteregoI think at this time it's probably useful for me to purchase another server.09:04
Stskeepsdjszapi: just a technical thing09:04
lbtthe typical process is : install debs, take snapshot with default config, hack, hack, hack, take snapshot when working09:05
djszapiStskeeps: mer does not use obs for any buildings on its own ?09:05
alteregolbt: I've been using git for machine config backup for a while now. Used to use svn for it. It does work remarkably well :)09:05
Stskeepsdjszapi: it does09:05
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lbtalterego: this is a combination of git and rsync09:05
alteregoSo you rsync the remote /etc to a local dir and then do git on the "backup" server?09:06
lbtalterego: yes09:06
lbtwe manage all infra with it09:07
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djszapiStskeeps: so in obs, but not c-obs ?09:07
lbtI should push latest changes...09:07
Stskeepsdjszapi: correct09:08
djszapi -> I do not find libasound2 here from alsa..09:08
djszapiis it bundled into alsa-lib-devel ?09:08
Stskeepsdjszapi: is alsa-lib, probably09:08
lbtdjszapi: I owe you a "pong" too :)09:08
djszapilbt: :) it would be better to me after the PA sprint.09:09
djszapiso what is the decision base with obs, and not c-obs for mer ?09:09
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lbtwe own obs09:09
lbtand it's not really fair to build Mer on the MeeGo infra09:10
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djszapilbt: so c-obs was meant to be a meego obs client ?09:10
Stskeepsdjszapi: we have a machine that just happens to do mer building, that we own, but anyone can set up their own 'mer building' machine09:10
djszapiclient in the sense of an obs user.09:11
lbtc.obs is the meego community OBS09:11
djszapiso raspberry, android and others are not proper there eithe rthen.09:11
djszapiStskeeps: fair enough09:11
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lbtand it can actually build *against* many distros, suses, fedora, debian as well as meego09:11
djszapiI had the impression community is obs for any community project.09:11
djszapicommunity obs is*09:12
lbtcommunity != whole world09:12
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lbtthere is (was) a focus on meego09:12
djszapiyes, it is better to separate the things for maintenance reasons.09:12
djszapiand for clear understanding from user pov.09:13
lbtStskeeps: did you get my msg on merrelease_lbt.sh09:13 even09:13
djszapilbt so is it hard to set up obs for my own machine if I would like to utilize it for raspberry, android or whatever ?09:13
alteregoOpen SuSe have a single obs system don't they? For both community and distribution.09:13
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djszapilbt: or even for PA for instance ?09:14
alteregodjszapi: it should be within your capability, it's easier too if you run the obs VMs09:14
Stskeepslbt: yes, i didn't see anything wrong09:14
lbtdjszapi: no, it's not hard - but it's also not really needed09:14
djszapialterego: yes09:14
djszapilbt: oh, not needed ?09:15
lbtStskeeps: I'd need to make a tag (same content) and then run it09:15
lbtdjszapi: you don't need to replicate launchpad to build ubuntu09:15
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djszapilbt so you think there are already solutions for raspberry ?09:15
djszapiandandroid ?09:15
lbtsame for fedora, debian etc - you don't need to replicate their engineer scale build systems09:15
djszapiI think PA uses -obs09:16
lbtbut you can if it turns you on09:16
alteregoStskeeps, lbt: Okay my server is coming back up now.09:16
alteregowiki is now accessible again09:16
lbtas it happens PA use c-obs and open-slx were working with us on getting a mer community OBS up09:16
alteregolbt: is that dcp thing a MeeGo project?09:17
alteregoOr should I say, was it a meego project? ;)09:18
djszapilbt: can it be used for playbook (qnx kernel), or is obs tight to the linux core ?09:18
lbtphone - back09:18
lbtalterego: no, it's mine as meego sysadmin09:19
djszapicmake is provided by mer core ... nice.09:20
lbtdjszapi: if you see stefan there you can remind him about the PA c.obs - I've not managed to catch him for a while. He may have handed over to asiego09:20
djszapiI guess I do not to specify cmake as a build dependency in the yaml file if I choose that as a builder.09:21
Stskeepslbt: i suspect we're using tmpfs and qemu wrong09:21
alteregolbt: ah, okay.09:21
djszapilbt: I do not know who stefan is ... I do not see him on the list at least:
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lbtStskeeps: err....09:22
lbtdjszapi: ok, nm09:22
Stskeepslbt: let me just try to walk you through my theory09:22
lbtStskeeps: context?09:22
Stskeepslbt: mer ci obs09:22
lbtfailing workers?09:22
Stskeepsand the out of memory situations with qtwebkit09:22
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lbtah... OK09:22
lbtthe ld fix didn't then ?09:23
Stskeepswell it does help to some extent09:23
djszapiso I should not use lib prefix for libraries ?09:23
djszapisay, I use libopenal-dev on harmattan ... I should use openal-devel in here ?09:23
Stskeepsdjszapi: it depends, if the tarball name is openal, we usually use openal-devel09:24
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djszapiStskeeps: ok09:24
alteregoSo, does anyone know of a declarative HTTP server?09:25
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Stskeepslbt: OK, so, right now our workers setup is ext4 files on top of a /fast tmpfs. build kvm's are being run with virtio cache=unsafe09:25
alteregoOr am I going to have to create a declarative API for the Qt based server I already have? :)09:25
lbtStskeeps: so by "we" you mean "I" *g*09:25
timophalterego: I'd guess you have to create the API09:25
alteregoOh well09:26
lbtI don't do it like that in c.obs09:26
alteregoShouldn't be too much issue.09:26
lbtso where's the failure? cobs qtwebkit and/or ci ?09:26
Stskeepslbt: ci09:26
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lbtcarry on then :)09:27
Stskeepsso, virtio cache=unsafe means that effectively all writes go into host cache09:27
Stskeepsproblem is just that tmpfs is also host cache09:27
lbthost memory09:28
Stskeepsyes, cache09:28
Stskeepsand when host writes out host cache, it actually writes it into the host cache again09:28
Stskeepshost does this at times of course, to write out dirty data09:29
jukkaeklundcan't edit mer wiki, "out of captcha images"09:29
alteregooh ffs09:29
alteregoNot to self, use recaptcha instead next time ;)09:30
Stskeepslbt: which results in a situation where we actually get too much memory pressure09:31
lbtStskeeps: I need to remind myself of how this works in c.obs/standard obs09:31
lbtI'm sure it does not make an ext on the tmpfs09:32
lbtbut it's xen09:32
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jukkaeklundwiki editing works again..09:36
alteregojukkaeklund: can you try now?09:37
alteregocool  :)09:37
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jukkaeklundalterego, so it was you giving the server some sweet love?09:41
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kulveI finally managed to build the Graphics_SDK_4_04_00_01 for my 2.6.32 kernel and eventhough I manage to load kernel modules without errors I don't get /dev/pvrsrvkm:
alteregojukkaeklund: Yup09:49
phaeronlbt: tmpfs is an fs , you don't need to mkfs on top of it09:49
kulvealso it seems that this version might not actually need the separate omaplfb module..09:49
jukkaeklundwell doe09:49
jukkaeklunddone, even09:49
slaineOh joyous day, my RAM upgrade arrived09:49
alteregoGod damn internet service providers09:49
lbtphaeron: when the tmpfs is on host, how do you get it used in a vm guest?09:49
alterego5 months I've been with them for this 50Mb service and it's basically only worked properly for the first week.09:50
alteregoI am starting to see red.09:50
alteregoThey can't even tell me what's wrong with the freakin' connection -_-09:50
jonwilwhich ISP is this (so I know never to use em)09:50
alteregoVirgin Media09:50
jonwilAh. Those incompetent idiots :P09:50
alteregoI've called 10 times, I've had 5 engineer visits.09:50
jonwilis there no other alternative?09:51
alteregoAnd everyone agrees something is wrong, but no one is fixing it.09:51
Stskeepskulve: maybe pvrsrvkm has to be in your board file?09:51
alteregoWell, I could use BT, but they're likely worse.09:51
alteregoAnyway, enough OT ranting ;)09:51
alteregoI'm going to have a shower.09:51
alteregoApparently their "Level 2 Support" team will ring me within the hour.09:52
phaeronlbt: not sure you could use 9p :D09:52
alteregoI might just ask if I can talk to Richard Branson when they call me up.09:52
lbtalterego: they'll ring whilst you're in the shower09:53
alteregolbt: probably, but I doubt it, last time they said they'd call me back it took two days ;)09:53
jonwilAt least in Australia we have genuine competition09:53
lbtthey sound like 1&109:53
jonwiland a number of very good ISPs to pick from09:53
lbtjonwil: we do too09:53
lbtthey compete all the way to the bottom09:53
phaeronlbt: can something like dmsetup help ?09:53
phaeronmap a part of tmpfs as a block device and use that directly in the host as tmpfs09:54
* alterego puts phone on "Very Loud" ;)09:54
phaeronerr gues09:54
w00tjonwil: it doesn't really count when they all use telstra's infrastructure though.. ;) (maybe the NBN will finally be fixing that? I've lost touch with things over there)09:54
jonwilThe NBN is good09:54
jonwilAnd if you go with an ISP that has their own kit in the phone exchange, things are not too bad09:55
jonwilOnly time I have to deal with Telstra is when I need to pay my phone line rental, everything else is handled through the ISP (including my internet bill)09:56
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jonwiland the bill can just be paid online through the internet banking :)09:56
jonwilAparently I am in one of the next locations for the NBN rollout09:57
* w00t remembers the days of yore, telstra dialup in sydney... ugh09:57
jonwilFor many years I was with TPG dialup09:57
w00t12, or was it 24 hour forced redial? hmm09:57
jonwilThen I was finally able to get first 512kbps then later 1.5mbps and now ADSL2+ speeds, all from TPG09:58
jonwilBring on the NBN (also with a TPG plan)09:58
w00tyeah, a good friend of mine used to use TPG, they were pretty awesome09:59
jonwilThe way things are going though, TPG may follow Internode, AAPT and others and get swallowed up by the iiBorg (i.e. iiNet)10:00
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jonwilNot that iiNet is bad, I got nothing but good things to say about em (unlike Helstra, Optarse and Vodafail)10:00
w00taapt got bought out..?10:02
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w00tdid not see that one coming10:03
yobuAll American Pet Co Inc (PINK:AAPT)10:03
yobuare we talking a DAX symbol or something?10:04
phaeronlbt: kvm has -mem-path option which can use a file as ram10:04
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jonwilno, AAPT is the name of an Australia ISP10:04
phaeronlbt: so I imaging dd a zero file to tmpfs use that as backing for the vm ram and do tmpfs root inside the vm10:05
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lbtphaeron: yes, I was looking at how kvm does memory alloc10:05
lbtI think overallocation would be dodgy but we could have a huge swap10:06
phaeronlbt: tmpfs is vm = ram backed by swap10:07
phaeronright ?10:07
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phaeronvm is virtual memory10:07
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lbttmpfs is pagecache10:07
lbtand it swaps10:07
lbtso the problem is that the rootfs needs prepopulating10:08
lbtso ideally you'd run an initramfs which takes a pre-made rootfs and mounts / inside the VM on a tmpfs then copies rootfs into it10:09
lbtwhat does that gain you?10:09
lbtall tmpfs inside VM would be pure pagecache - no writes via virtio10:09
phaeronie no real disk.10:10
lbtif Stskeeps is right then you'd avoid his issue too10:11
phaeroncan the copying of rootfs be skipped if you just mount tmpfs into the builddir10:11
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Stskeepsi just switched to two patches, 1) cache=writethrough (cache isn't possible for some reason) 2) remove the sparse files after build is over10:11
phaeronthe rootfs is is just read from anyway10:11
djszapi -> mmh, why is it so ? I need the *-devel packages for building, and not configuration..10:12
lbtStskeeps: the upstream obs removes the tmpfs totally10:12
lbtStskeeps: I'd like to move to their approach10:12
lbtit's more dynamic10:12
Stskeepsas in they mount multiple tmpfs'es or what exactly?10:12
lbtthey just mount a tmpfs at $buildroot10:13
Stskeepsand then a disk image inside?10:13
lbtwith the same size as the .root file which is the rootfs ext image10:13
Stskeepsisn't that what you use on tmpfs worker though?10:14
Stskeepsor what is your approach10:14
Stskeepson cobs10:14
lbtyes, I use upstream10:14
lbtI patched it a bit and sent them up10:15
Stskeepsand that dies fairly often?10:15
lbtthey didn't take all my patches :)10:15
lbtI admit I may not have sent them all *g*10:15
lbtI also just added lazy umount and "check really mounted" which I hope will fix the dying workers10:16
lbtmy previous patch did 5 retries to umount - basically the VM took time to release the filehandles10:16
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lbtalterego: DNS is set to 600 second ttl so we can drop that to 60 as we move the wiki10:26
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djszapilbt how about the sb2 thingie ? :)10:30
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lbtdjszapi: yep - working on that10:30
lbttimoph has it working and we need to do some reshaping around the place to build images and make it installable10:31
lbtcoffee ... bbiab10:31
djszapilbt have you considered some mic sutff ?10:32
djszapilike at meego times ?10:32
alteregolbt: cool10:33
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lbtdjszapi: ? mic stuff ?10:36
Stskeepsdjszapi: sb2 approach can basically: you make a image, you initialize it as a target with sb2, install packages into it with sb2, and you can build as if it was a fast version of the target10:37
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djszapiStskeeps: will I use (mic-)chroot ?10:38
djszapior am I always outside like with MADDE ?10:38
Stskeepsdjszapi: you won't be chrooting10:38
Stskeepsit will be more clear once we put instructions up10:38
djszapiI prefer personally being inside the devel root.10:38
Stskeepsyes, you'll see why you'll like this10:38
Stskeepsjust be patient :)10:39
djszapiwell, we discuss things here :)10:39
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kulveI managed to build the latest TI release to my 2.6.32 as well but it have exactly the same problem (no device node). I wonder if the driver expects something from the kernel (that my .32 doesn't provide) and then it fails without printing an error..10:42
Stskeepskulve: sure it needs pvrsrvkm?10:42
Stskeepsthey were moving to DRI2 and DRM at some point10:42
Stskeepsand instead a omapdrm thing10:43
Stskeepsor was that for pandaboard..10:43
kulvewell. I assumed it does because their init.d script tries to set its mode etc. But it actually looks like it doesn't need it!10:43
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lbtStskeeps: ready to push the new tag to gerrit10:50
Stskeepslbt: don't do that right now10:50
Stskeepslbt: please wait ~8 hours10:50
Stskeepslbt: i've been integrating content after you said you were done yesterday10:51
lbtOK - I was going to tag the same content10:51
lbtbut change the structure10:51
Stskeepsdoesn't matter, you'll be snapshotting current state of CI obs10:51
Stskeepsremember, we don't have project-copy yet10:51
Stskeepsthe good news is that we're likely to have content already tonight10:52
* lbt wonders how to test making the /cross stuff10:52
lbtOK - how about doing this without doing the tag - then we can erase it and redo it10:54
Stskeepsif you want to use createrelease, not good idea now10:55
Stskeepsit will pull from obs10:55
lbtyes, that's OK10:55
lbtrm -rf is my friend :)10:55
Stskeepsalso, the repos are building so it won't be useful10:56
lbtthat's OK too10:56
lbtI'm not planning on using it10:56
StskeepsNORSYNC=1 too10:56
lbtI want to make sure the script runs ... and even document what happens when you need to redo a step like this10:57
lbtyep, NORSYNC is OK (but again, rm -rf is fine)10:57
Stskeepsyeah, but better safe than sorry..10:58
lbtI'll review it and tell you what I'd like to run in a min10:58
alteregoundefined reference to `main' ..11:04
* alterego sighs, but it's there! :D11:04
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alteregoWeird, _now_ it compiles ..11:05
alteregoOh, I see ..11:06
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kulveStskeeps: I'm now again testing with the qmlviewer.ks and the rpm is complaining about the arch. If I do the hacks in nemo....ks (put arch to zypper.conf and /etc/rpm/platform) the rpm works11:07
Stskeepskulve: interesting11:12
Stskeepsit's armv7l port, right11:12
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kulveand then to my next problem. Any ideas why this happens when running eglinfo: WSEGL_InitialiseDisplay: DRI2OpenConnection failed11:13
Stskeepskulve: are you running their xorg driver?11:13
kulveand I have now: WindowSystem=libpvrPVR2D_DRIWSEGL.so11:13
kulveStskeeps: no. Do they have one..11:13
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kulve        Driver          "pvr"11:14
Stskeepsdoes it get loaded?11:14
kulveyeah, I guess that would be the name of it11:14
kulveI haven't found it yet11:14
kulveis that just a closed source binary or can I compile it? If just a binary, is there any chance of it loading to Mer X.Org?11:16
Stskeepsit's closed source, i think11:17
Stskeepsbinary: should be possible11:17
Stskeepswe are fairly well along11:17
kulve[   870.107] (EE) module ABI major version (6) doesn't match the server's version (10)11:19
kulve"compiled for 1.7.5, module version = 1.6.4117"11:20
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kulveI guess somebody has a version (10) somewhere:
Stskeepsmaybe ubuntu does11:30
lbtkulve: what hardware?11:30
kulveomap3630 or omap373011:30
lbtok - DRI error was similar to one I'd seen11:31
lbtnot the same ... nm :)11:31
Stskeepskulve: is something that's in progress11:32
Stskeepsbut probably not sane for you11:32
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Stskeepshello sahack11:33
sahackEr.. hi11:33
Stskeepswelcome ;) so what brings you here to #mer ?11:34
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sahackI was trying to compile the new u-boot branch from ali1234 and I always run into errors, so I decided to look here for answers.11:34
lbtStskeeps:   export REL=0.20120315.0.0.2; export PRERELEASE=1; export NORSYNC=1; tools/ $REL rsync:// 2>&1 | tee log-trial11:35
Stskeepslbt: ok11:35
lbtI've also updated the docs in there a fair bit11:35
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alteregoDeclarative HTTP server:
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* lbt mumbles something about dead body and production system... the precise interpretation left to your imagination...11:49
* Stskeeps hides11:49
Stskeepslbt: "proposed structure and statement that account signatures adhere11:49
Stskeepsregarding project account to decisions made by advisory board (to11:49
Stskeepsmailing list)"11:49
Stskeepscan we get that to list soon?11:49
lbtdid you see my email ?11:49
Stskeepsyes, i did11:49
djszapierr...guys, do you have any ideas for my specify issue ? :)11:50
lbtso yeah - I was just talking to denise about it11:50
alteregolbt: it's not designed for a "production" system, the facility is to allow two QML applications on different deviecs around your house to communicate with each other.11:50
lbtalterego: kidding - looks fun11:50
* lbt notes https11:50
alteregoThe next stage is to figure out if the framework will properly handle TLS and connection keep-alives.11:51
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alteregoBecause my idea will only work if I can send a kind of NOTIFY down the HTTP tubes :)11:51
alteregoDon't really want polling.11:51
Stskeepslbt: all i'm asking for there is a structured proposal to go to the mailing list, basically11:52
Stskeepsso it's not just a bunch of irc meeting log lines :)11:53
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kulveStskeeps: I took the ubuntu omap4 and while it loads, it doesn't get much further:
kulvemaybe there's a different version for omap311:54
kulvethere should be: , I'm not just sure from where to find them11:56
Stskeepsin the hwpacks11:57
Stskeepsi would guess11:57
kulveI found all the packages from that Graphics page in some mirror (I guess) but none of them has the pvr_drv.so12:00
lbtStskeeps: yes, I realise12:00
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alteregoLooks like I can do persistent connections, so TLS security is the next step.12:07
alteregoWell, actually turning it in to a proper Declarative plugin is my next step :)12:07
* timoph compiled hello world with qtcreator inside the sdk12:08
Stskeepstimoph: you got it built?12:09
timophyep. with attempt #8 :)12:09
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Stskeepscongrats :)12:09
timophbasically took the packaging from fathi's version and updated it12:10
Stskeepswhat toolchain did you select in qt creator?12:10
timophI installed g++ into the sdk12:11
timophso no sb212:11
timophthat's the next thing12:11
Stskeepsi wonder if qt creator does --sysroot=12:12
timophno idea12:12
* Stskeeps boots it up12:13
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djszapihi, is there a variable for /etc/ ?12:16
djszapifor the spec file, that is12:16
djszapisimilar to %{_includedir}/ or {_libdir}/12:16
djszapinot sure what this is about ...
djszapiRequires:   %{name} = %{version}-%{release} -> perhaps this line ?12:25
djszapishall I use Ummh, nope...well unsure.12:26
djszapior perhaps this ? %setup -q -n %{name}-%{version} (autogenerated that way, but unsure why...)12:26
djszapithing is that I would like to keep the debian naming schema...12:26
djszapiso that rpm and debian tarballs can be shared..12:27
Stskeepsideally people should use pkgconfigs12:27
djszapiideal to whom..12:28
djszapiI do not understand the issue because the same naming schema worked with my previous package.12:29
djszapithe subpackage management is different here without involving a full name for them.12:29
djszapiinteresting, this is the generated setup line in my previous package: %setup -q -n %{name}12:32
djszapiwonder why different setup line generation..12:32
Stskeepsthere's some options to set that12:35
Stskeepstimoph: cool work with qt creator, btw12:35
djszapiStskeeps: which one shall I go for ?12:35
Stskeepsdjszapi: it ranges on the directory name of the packge12:36
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djszapi%{name} or {name}-%{version}12:36
djszapiI wonder why it is different in two similar cases12:36
djszapithe only difference is the subpackaging12:36
timophStskeeps: thanks12:36
djszapiI do not use this time full name, just "devel".12:36
* Stskeeps decides to go for a rest12:37
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Stskeepsjeremiah: easier to ping here than on twitter maybe13:18
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Stskeepsjeremiah: best way to use Mer for IVI is, taking the core, like ubuntu core did, and add IVI things on top13:18
Stskeepsand collaborate on those pieces13:19
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Stskeepswb phaeron15:38
phaeronStskeeps: thanks15:42
phaeronStskeeps: can I pm please15:42
Stskeeps(always, actually)15:42
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timophStskeeps: added that ^16:03
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timophnot very straight forward currently but if someone feels like experimenting..16:03
timoph(and so that I don't forget :))16:05
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slaineDisappointed, "only" 16GB usable after the RAM upgrade16:48
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slainethe supplied upgrade is different timings to the 2GB in the server16:48
slaineI know it's only 2GB difference, but still16:49
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* lbt is back16:50
lbtcoffee with a tango friend in Reading :)16:50
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djszapihey, what is this thingie ?
Stskeepsyou'd have to ask the kde packagers17:00
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Stskeepsor yourself17:00
Stskeeps%cmake .  \ %{cmake_kde_options}17:00
Stskeepsis in your .spec17:00
djszapiwhat is wrong about that ?17:01
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djszapishould be alright.17:01
Stskeepswell it's erroring there and you have it yourself in the package17:02
Stskeepsdoesn't resolve, it seems17:02
djszapiinteresting why my other package works then17:02
djszapiI try to remove that config then17:03
* lbt joins Stskeepsie and pokes Stskeeps to see when he can do a real /cross snapshot17:04
Stskeepsnot doneyet17:04
lbt*nod* the script needed a few minor tweaks but works fine17:04
lbtwondering if we need cross-armv6l as a group ?17:06
Stskeepsplease don't take cross-*platformfile out17:06
lbtOK -what is it?17:06
Stskeepsit's some stuff used within a build on arm side17:07
lbtwhy is it called cross- ?17:07
Stskeepsbecause it's injected to the other side17:07
Stskeepsbasically, just take out cross-*-binutils and cross-*-gcc17:07
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lbtleave sysroot ?17:11
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Stskeepsnot useful, just let it be in the scheduler, the only two needed are binutils and gcc17:14
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lbtOK - just being clear17:14
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djszapihow can I avoid the error messageabout not packaged files ?17:26
djszapiI would not like to package everything on purpose.17:26
Stskeepsthat's bad packaging17:26
Stskeepsuse %exclude instead in %files17:26
djszapinot bad packaging, but bad upstream job ;-)17:27
djszapifor instance I do not, as a packager, have option for building only the mobile stuff17:27
Stskeepsalso, will you please just stay in the channel, you're jumping in and out17:27
djszapiwell...I could theoritically patchthe things...17:27
djszapinot sure I would like to spend my time with that though..17:27
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lbtalterego: ping17:59
lbtwiki move?17:59
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Stskeepshello blackpearl18:16
blackpearlare you aware of installing nemo on n900 ?18:17
Stskeepsyeah, installation instructions are good18:17
blackpearli've installed the latest one but while running i can't find home and back buttons on the top..are they removed ?18:19
Stskeepsyes, try to gesture from the bottom or side of the screen18:19
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blackpearland also side of screen did't work..18:22
Stskeepsblackpearl: try slowly18:23
blackpearland for multi booting  adaption kernel for n900, what is the file system type in ITEM_FSTYPE18:26
Stskeepsdon't use that, use uboot pr13 according to our instructions18:27
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blackpearlbut uboot gets removed automatically if another kernel is flashed using there any solution for having multiboot and uboot both ?18:31
djszapido you have libvorbisfile support ?18:33
djszapior at least libvorbis-idec ?18:33
djszapiI would like to have ogg decoding/encoding in my game.18:33
djszapidecoding at this stage, I think.18:33
Stskeepswe have libvorbis at east18:33
djszapiok, let me try.18:34
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djszapicool you have libsndfile too18:35
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djszapiis it possible to developer for Mer with out-of-a-changeroot environment way ?18:53
djszapias in, for instance with MADDE18:53
djszapibecause it might be simpler to integrate such a stuff into IDEs like KDevelop...18:54
djszapinothing provides pkgconfig(libsndfile), nothing provides pkgconfig(libvorbis) -> but If I try to put libsndfile-devel into the PkgBR section...specify complains...18:55
Stskeepspkgconfig(sndfile) pkgconfig(vorbis)18:55
djszapithe former is an obs web interface unresolvable detail..18:55
Stskeepsspecify just warns18:55
djszapi -> specify warn18:56
djszapiI mean... I need the devel package for building my software.18:57
djszapi(that is normally the build require btw)18:57
djszapiat least with debian based system18:57
Stskeepsright, pkgconfig() gets you that18:57
djszapiso is it a false positive specify warn message ?18:57
djszapiwhat do you mean ?18:58
Stskeepswell, pkgconfig(libsndfile) is wrong18:58
Stskeepsit's pkgconfig(sndfile)18:58
djszapiI am not getting it18:58
Stskeepstry with that fixed firt18:58
djszapi -> I am trying with this contents.18:59
djszapiwhere shall I use the pkgconfig() thing ?19:00
Stskeepsjust ignore the warning for now19:00
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djszapilbt: ping19:05
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djszapido we have a variable for /usr/share/doc ?19:35
Stskeepsdjszapi: rpm --showrc19:35
djszapiI do not have rpm installed.19:35
Stskeepsdo it on device or whereever, or include it in a %build part of a .spec19:36
Stskeepsevening phaeron19:36
djszapiStskeeps: do not have device.19:37
djszapinot sure what you mean by the build part.19:37
Stskeepsgo look at a spec file, just run 'rpm --showrc' in %build section and you'll see it in build log19:37
djszapiwell, that is quite time consuming19:38
Stskeepsit's time consuming for me and others to help you out, too, so please just do it19:39
djszapiyou do not need to answer, if you do not have time.19:40
djszapi(it is actually just one variable to say after all)19:40
Stskeepsand i'm stating that it's better to teach you how to fish than feed you one, so stop complaining. i look up rpm --showrc each time you ask a question anyway19:41
djszapibut as I said, I do not have it.19:41
djszapiand I will not wait 1-2 hours, you know.19:41
djszapiI better just give up, and do easier doable stuff :)19:42
djszapiit is probably docdir anyway19:43
Stskeepsdjszapi: you're wasting everyone's time by not simply googling or spending even the slightest amount of time to figure out the answer to a question yourself - please read before asking any further questions19:43
djszapiI do not understand what is problem with asking for a simple answer which takes few seconds with an environment in place that I do not need right now.19:44
djszapiinstead of waiting hours19:44
djszapibut thanks for your disappointing answer, and wasting your time with it as well...19:44
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Stskeepsi'm really trying hard to be patient, but please do understand that there's a minimal amount of effort required when asking questions and not deride when people tell you how to find out a question :/19:45
* frals just saw Stskeeps talk to himself for the past hour \o/19:47
Stskeepsfrals: i am not tyler durden19:47
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fralsbah :(19:47
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w00ti missed you :(19:48
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Stskeepswell that sucks19:48
fralsw00t: last week i was in sunnyvale19:48
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w00tStskeeps: you think anyone that should read that, will read that? ;)19:48
w00tfrals: well yes19:49
fralsso super mega awesome weather the last few days there... i was pretty tempted to stay :P19:49
w00tbut _this_ week :(19:49
fralsgot back monday evening and yesterday was spent on d3 beta :DD19:49
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w00t... oh dear19:49
fralsnow packing for sweden19:49
fralsso looking forward until i move from finland19:49
fralsso, whats up?19:50
w00tnot much19:50
w00tit's still cold, snowy..19:50
w00ti've still been doing some fun things in qt :P19:51
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Sage_lbt: workers worker workers20:07
Stskeepstwo workers left? not bad20:08
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Stskeepsphaeron: anything you have access to?20:10
phaeronStskeeps: just restart them ?20:10
Stskeepsyeah, looks like it20:10
lbtI guess my patch failed20:11
phaeronok ..20:12
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lbtalterego: wiki ?20:34
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ScriptRipperping, anyone still there ?22:56
_av500_closed for the day22:56
ScriptRipperis this an auto reply of the robot or you :D22:57
_av500_make me take a turing test?22:58
ScriptRipperor the eliza test !22:58
_av500_tell me about eliza22:59
ScriptRipperit was one of the first KIs created for the turing test23:00
_av500_interesting, tell me about the turing test23:00
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ScriptRipperby  Joseph Weizenbaum23:01
_av500_Please go on.23:01
ScriptRippercreated to fool us in such IRC channels :D23:02
ScriptRippermaybe you read too much Asimov ?23:02
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_av500_Why the uncertain tone?23:03
ScriptRipperI am just in party mood23:03
ScriptRippermeans: much of the very best whine23:03
_av500_How long have you been just in party mood?23:03
ScriptRippersince this afternoon23:04
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ScriptRipperanother big user of Open Build Service committed23:05
ScriptRipperthey are also not bad for Mer, just a hint :D23:05
ScriptRipperand I dont mention them....23:06
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ScriptRipperI am drinking some 10 year old Barolon on this :)23:07
ScriptRipperand hear some nice music from ACDC on this, and Pink Floyd23:08
ScriptRipperI meant Barlolo - from 200223:09
* lbt just stuck his head in whilst hacking on some new packaging stuff23:09
lbt_av500_: rofl23:10
ScriptRipperbtw, what kind of music do you hear, now that I outed my self as brit rock and roll fan ?23:10
ScriptRipperand of course british colonies ;D23:10
ScriptRipperlbt, what do you say ?23:11
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_av500_lbt: I found the place empty so I took the stage :)23:11
someoneelsemaybe pet shop boys?23:11
someoneelseor Beautiful South23:11
ScriptRipperhey, latter is good suggestion23:11
ScriptRipperalso like parts of pet hop boys23:12
someoneelseI also like Gotan Project23:12
someoneelsebut that's mainly modern electric tango music23:12
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ScriptRipperwhat about english roots rock - talk talk ?23:12
ScriptRipperI can remember to drive on the wrong side of the road when I heared talk talk - living in another world23:14
ScriptRippershort after got with my car via ferry to england23:14
someoneelseDeacon Blue ... yeah23:14
ScriptRipperMarillion is really great23:15
someoneelseFine Young Cannibals23:15
ScriptRipperINXS is australia - are they still part of the empire ?23:15
someoneelseGenesis of course23:15
someoneelseyeah, they did Kick23:15
ScriptRippergenesis, sure23:15
ScriptRipperdid kick ?23:15
ScriptRipperthey do kick23:16
someoneelseINXS album called Kick23:16
ScriptRipperThe Cure23:16
someoneelseoddly I never listened to them much23:16
someoneelseLed Zeppelin23:17
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ScriptRipperkilling an arab - I hope phaeron does not listen ;)23:17
* someoneelse decides to make a playlist and go for a *VERY* fast drive tomorrow :)23:17
ScriptRippersomeoneelse, where are you located ?23:18
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ScriptRipperso did you dink the tea with lbt ?23:19
lbtnever heard of him :)23:19
ScriptRipperlbt: the tea, the Whiskey or led zepplin ?23:20
lbtright now, Zepplin23:21
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ScriptRipperfor the play list: Men at Work - down under23:28
ScriptRipperand Midnight Oil - someoneelse, you started with the australian music crowd23:31
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ScriptRippersomeoneelse - just wanted to make sure your fast drive is fun23:32
ScriptRipperlbt, someoneelse, _av500_ , still there or are you already  drunk from my Barolo ?23:35
* lbt waits for ScriptRipper to realise that someonelse was lbt in disguise .... :D ...... that's some good Barolo ScriptRipper23:36
ScriptRipperlet me conclude: someonelse is lbt little brother, but from australia :D23:44
ScriptRipperand he will drive very fast with his car in the australian desert tomorrow - while drinking and listening to INXS23:46
ScriptRipperor did I mess it up ?23:46
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lbtsounds good to me23:47
ScriptRipperlbt :D23:48
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