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| Macer | heh | 04:28 |
| Macer | http://www.mebsd.com/make-build-your-freebsd-word/pkgng-first-look-at-freebsds-new-package-manager.html | 04:28 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:31 |
| Macer | it is night time ;-) | 04:32 |
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| iekku | Macer, no it's not, it's over 7am in finland | 05:09 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:04 |
| dcthang | Stskeeps: morn, pls check this site http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/. I cannot access it | 06:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, seems to be down | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | i'll poke the admin when he's awake | 06:09 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: In mer's repo, could I get the rpm source of qt-mobility ? | 06:15 |
| Stskeeps | ZiQiangHuan: git clone http://review.merproject.org/p/mer-core/qt-mobility | 06:21 |
| ZiQiangHuan | Stskeeps: thanks | 06:21 |
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| berndhs | good night | 06:24 |
| licl | Stskeeps:hiļ¼Stskeeps. | 06:25 |
| Stskeeps | nite berndhs | 06:25 |
| Stskeeps | and good morning licl | 06:25 |
| licl | Stskeeps:I try to find rpm package of matchbox | 06:26 |
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| licl | and I get one in meego | 06:26 |
| Stskeeps | ok, you might have to build it yourself | 06:27 |
| licl | But it's just not a package with source files | 06:27 |
| timoph | morning | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | licl: http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk/standard/src/matchbox-window-manager-1.2-3.15.src.rpm , http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk/standard/src/libmatchbox-1.9-3.79.src.rpm | 06:28 |
| licl | thank u | 06:29 |
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| exman2 | I cannot see http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Contribution | 06:43 |
| exman2 | server down ? | 06:43 |
| timoph | yep | 06:43 |
| timoph | 08:09 < Stskeeps> i'll poke the admin when he's awake | 06:43 |
| iekku | :) | 06:44 |
| iekku | parking in the tre city center... 1e/h | 06:44 |
| exman2 | I have a lenovo netbook what Intel give me at MeeGo Conf. Is there Netbook UX in mer too ? | 06:45 |
| iekku | not going to come too often to work by car... | 06:45 |
| dm8tbr | exman2: you could try plasma-active | 06:45 |
| exman2 | or only focus on handset ux ? | 06:45 |
| dm8tbr | exman2: mer doesn't have a UX at all | 06:45 |
| dm8tbr | exman2: UXs build on top of mer | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: Mer is just a core, vendors put UIs on top and add hardware adaptations -- so there's a lot of projects on top of Mer, such as Dawati, Plasma Active, Nemo, etc | 06:45 |
| Stskeeps | Dawati is closest to a netbook ux | 06:46 |
| Stskeeps | bit strange concept, i know :) | 06:46 |
| exman2 | Wow | 06:46 |
| exman2 | AFAIK, plasma-active is one of KDE project. Does it use Mer as core system ? | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: Plasma Active is actively building on top of Mer as well, yeah, but they're not strictly tied to Mer | 06:47 |
| Stskeeps | ie, they also make builds on opensuse, etc | 06:47 |
| dm8tbr | are there dawati screenshots? | 06:48 |
| dm8tbr | or is that just netbook-ux renamed? | 06:48 |
| exman2 | Does Mer use zypper to like MeeGo ? | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: yes | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | dcthang: http://imageshack.us/g/835/screenshotlms.png/ | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: it's more free of insane licensing | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: http://imageshack.us/g/835/screenshotlms.png/ i mean | 06:50 |
| exman2 | If so... SUSE studio's goal and Mer's goal almost same. What do you think about this ? | 06:50 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: *nod* | 06:50 |
| dm8tbr | Stskeeps: tablet *cough* ux *hark* | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: suse's not really a mobile system :) | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: we do things beyond code, we also deliver tools, sdks, instructions how to do OBS, QA, etc | 06:51 |
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| dcthang | Stskeeps: looks amazing... | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: Mer is derived from MeeGo 1.3 code, suited down to 322 source packages, with working systemd, qt 4.8.0, qtwebkit 2.2.1, soon qt5 available too | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: meego 1.3 was ~1400 and a mess to port - Mer is available for non-Atom, Atom, ARMv6/v7 (softfp, hardfp) and MIPS32 (O32 ABI) | 06:52 |
| exman2 | Dawati looks inherits the MeeGo Netbook 1.2(or 3) UX. | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | it's a continuation of that, but without trademark strings | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | they're not related to Mer except some people take it and build it for Mer as well | 06:53 |
| exman2 | Which company supports the Dawati ? | 06:53 |
| exman2 | Is it pure open source ? | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: looks like it to me, companies: i think it's hackers from multiple companies | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | some say it'll be netbook in tizen too | 06:54 |
| exman2 | interesting | 06:54 |
| exman2 | I still use MeeGo 1.2 in my netbook. I'm going to install it :-) | 06:55 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbyyA9X4Qk is Plasma Active on top of Mer on top of Spark device | 06:56 |
| exman2 | So... mutter... gnome-control-center.... still used in Dawati ? | 06:56 |
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| exman2 | cool | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, you can try to ask on gimpnet http://dawati.org/ | 06:57 |
| Stskeeps | better to ask the people who actually make it :) | 06:58 |
| exman2 | I just joined #dawati on gimpnet :-) | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | good :) | 06:58 |
| exman2 | someday... If I have extra time... I'm going to create new project which follows XDG standards and based on mer :-) | 06:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. all the things i could do if i just had more time too ;) | 07:00 |
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| exman2 | I'm a author of sentimental tizen sdk installer https://gitorious.org/tizen-toys/pages/Home | 07:00 |
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| exman2 | Do you think that is it worth to make sentimental sdk installer for mer ? :-) | 07:00 |
| timoph | sentimental? | 07:02 |
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| exman2 | Because it has MeeGo avatar for fun... It says some sentimental comment during installation. | 07:03 |
| timoph | ah | 07:03 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: we don't really have a big need for that at the moment, but i must say your installer looks/works better than tizen's own :) | 07:03 |
| exman2 | Stskeeps, thanks, I think too :-) | 07:04 |
| exman2 | Actaully, I don't like use Java for sdk installing... So I tried to create this alternative one. | 07:04 |
| timoph | but at some point we should make the setup a bit more non-hacker friendly. Maybe when we do the application sdk | 07:05 |
| exman2 | agree | 07:05 |
| timoph | the platform one can be a bit more involved setup | 07:05 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: so you have x11 forwarding working? | 07:10 |
| timoph | didn't try | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | er, x11 apps working in your sdk | 07:10 |
| timoph | works out of the box | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 07:10 |
| * Stskeeps ponders idly | 07:11 | |
| timoph | shouldn't work without forwarding? | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: how would you feel about updating the qtcreator packaging? | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | http://build.meego.com/package/files?package=qt-creator&project=MeeGo%3A1.2%3Aoss | 07:13 |
| timoph | version update or something else? | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | version update | 07:13 |
| timoph | I can take the package | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | http://get.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator/qt-creator-2.4.1-src.tar.gz | 07:13 |
| timoph | haven't been packaging stuff that much lately so could use the excercise | 07:14 |
| Stskeeps | k | 07:14 |
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| Stskeeps | long story short, we might as well start from both ends of the app sdk story | 07:14 |
| exman2 | Does plasma-active uses Maliit as default IME ? | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: i think they were looking into it | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if it got in there yet | 07:15 |
| timoph | so provide qt-creator with the platform sdk and start making it to work also as a application sdk | 07:15 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: yeah, because in practice the pieces are already there, some parts just need to be cross compiled to other targets | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.qt-project.org/QtonPi/Create#Configuring_Qt_Creator.2C_Toolchain.2C_Qt_5_and_Raspberry_Pi_board | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | gives some kind of hint how easy it is to set up | 07:17 |
| exman2 | I've received voucher for Raspberry Pi. I'm going to try to install Mer into Pi :-) | 07:18 |
| Stskeeps | exman2: :) | 07:18 |
| * timoph planning to run saunabad's AR stuff on it on top of Mer | 07:19 | |
| exman2 | Anybody use fakevim on qtcreator with auto complete feature ? | 07:20 |
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| Stskeeps | timoph: on top of qt creator, you'd need qmake installed, a cross toolchain and possibly a sysroot | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | so you see where i'm going with this | 07:24 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: ok. let's go through that when I get there | 07:24 |
| timoph | yes | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | let's get sb2 working first though | 07:24 |
| * timoph ponders how to get it to work with windows | 07:25 | |
| timoph | since we really need to do that at some point | 07:25 |
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| Stskeeps | i have some ideas but i'd like to wait with that until we have sb2 patches in obs | 07:26 |
| timoph | yeah | 07:27 |
| Stskeeps | for now we just need to provide something that possibly can be VM'ed | 07:27 |
| timoph | damn. virtual machine run out of disk space :/ | 07:28 |
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| Stskeeps | for now we just need to provide something that possibly can be VM'e | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | sorry for repeat | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | caffeine getting to me ;) | 07:28 |
| timoph | :) | 07:28 |
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| djszapi | hi, is alsa provided by mer or ui layers ? | 08:01 |
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| Stskeeps | djszapi: mer | 08:04 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: nice, what about pulse ? | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | pulse too | 08:04 |
| djszapi | shall I propose openal-sft then against mer, too ? | 08:04 |
| Stskeeps | the general reason for those two is that it has to be there for basic functionality for everyone | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | test it out and mature it in a middleware layer of a UI first and then propose as it gains more maturity | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | / acceptance around | 08:06 |
| djszapi | openal-soft is not tight to an ui layer. | 08:06 |
| djszapi | it is just a 3d audio backend. | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | yea, but still, there's some things we have in for instance nemo | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | in the middleware sections | 08:07 |
| djszapi | that way, I can miss it | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | mer == needs to be there stuff | 08:07 |
| djszapi | and I start packaging for our ui layer, too | 08:07 |
| djszapi | so there might be some duplication that way. | 08:07 |
| djszapi | I cannot potentially check out all the ui layers what they do. | 08:07 |
| Stskeeps | either way, let it mature first and then propose it as a task bug in project-core | 08:08 |
| djszapi | isn't there a testing repository for mer ? | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | no, that's out in the vendors, we don't intend on packaging everything in mer | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | in fact, we try to keep it to a low number of packages as to make it able to be maintained on low man power | 08:09 |
| djszapi | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/show?project=Project%3AKDE%3AMer_Extras -> interesting. | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | some of those are duplicates | 08:11 |
| djszapi | might be easier to discuss these things personally with vgrade today :) | 08:11 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 08:12 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: which repository is pulseaudio in if not this mer extras ? | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: it's in mer itself, http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb | 08:13 |
| djszapi | I would like to check out the package names openal-soft will depend on. | 08:13 |
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| djszapi | oh it is not (c-)obs ? | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | no, mer isn't built in COBS | 08:14 |
| djszapi | interesting | 08:14 |
| djszapi | and where are the packages published (url) ? | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | releases.merproject.org | 08:14 |
| Stskeeps | and before you ask about gpl compliance, packages-git/ is it, scripts and everything provided to combine with a OBS to build entire Mer is in there | 08:17 |
| phaeron | also you can branch or copypac packages from mer to cobs | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | we don't carry srpms because of the reason that they do not satisfy the GPL criteria that you can use them to rebuild the same software | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | and in most causes would yield different results than our released binary rpms | 08:18 |
| Stskeeps | causes=cases | 08:20 |
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| kimju | Stskeeps, hmm.. what is the problem with srpm's, why they don't produce the same software when rebuild? | 08:26 |
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| Stskeeps | kimju: long story short in many packages scripts like baselibs.conf and precheckin.sh aren't mentioned in Source*:, and some packages while-building modify those files and they become part of the srpm, and not able to build again based on those modifications | 08:27 |
| Stskeeps | kimju: on top of that, there are types of packages that don't build without some specific elements from the OBS project configuration, or package links between them, such as rpm-python -> rpm, or the stuff that enables cross compilation | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | so we provide a fakeobs/mer delivery system that takes the format we have, that provides everything in a network accessible server that a OBS can build from | 08:28 |
| Stskeeps | which is == the way we build mer packages in the first place | 08:29 |
| kimju | ok | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | i had massive trouble building meego from srpms alone | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | so that's why we do it this way | 08:31 |
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| slaine | Hmmmm, wiki.merproject.org is not responding still | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, waiting for alterego to wake up | 08:37 |
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| alterego | Stskeeps: my server has gone dead, waiting to hear from tech support. | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 08:57 |
| alterego | Think it's network outage, I would have known last night but my internet at home is getting to the point of being unusable in the evening. | 08:57 |
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| alterego | Going to be making a few angry phone calls today I can tell. | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | how's migration going, btw? | 08:58 |
| alterego | Well, after today I'll probably try to do most of it this afternoon ;) | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 08:59 |
| lbt | morning | 09:01 |
| alterego | I'll let you all know as soon as I hear back from bytemark. | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:01 |
| alterego | There doesn't look to be any service notices on their website though. | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | alterego: it responds to ping, but not to http | 09:02 |
| lbt | alterego: I'm out for a while early pm | 09:02 |
| alterego | lbt: well I'll get as much done that I can do by myself, mainly transfering database and installing wiki | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: can we do >4gb KVMs, btw? | 09:03 |
| alterego | Would you like me to document all the config changes? | 09:03 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: sorry, I had to leave the hotel in no time, but now back :) | 09:03 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, anything | 09:03 |
| lbt | alterego: no need, I have a remote audit system | 09:03 |
| alterego | djszapi: sorry for not replying to your PMs the other day, my internet connection has gone from bad to worse in the evenings :( | 09:03 |
| alterego | lbt: awesome :) | 09:03 |
| djszapi | alterego: no worries, I was not still able to solve the isuse :p | 09:04 |
| lbt | alterego: when you start work let me know and I'll go through it | 09:04 |
| alterego | Cool | 09:04 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: I am not sure what you said about OBS above and combined scripts. | 09:04 |
| lbt | essentially it does etckeeper (etc in git) for any config dirs on a remote box | 09:04 |
| alterego | I think at this time it's probably useful for me to purchase another server. | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: just a technical thing | 09:04 |
| lbt | the typical process is : install debs, take snapshot with default config, hack, hack, hack, take snapshot when working | 09:05 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: mer does not use obs for any buildings on its own ? | 09:05 |
| alterego | lbt: I've been using git for machine config backup for a while now. Used to use svn for it. It does work remarkably well :) | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: it does | 09:05 |
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| lbt | alterego: this is a combination of git and rsync | 09:05 |
| alterego | So you rsync the remote /etc to a local dir and then do git on the "backup" server? | 09:06 |
| lbt | alterego: https://github.com/dcp-on-zathras/dcp | 09:06 |
| lbt | alterego: yes | 09:06 |
| alterego | Cool | 09:06 |
| lbt | we manage all meego.com infra with it | 09:07 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: so in obs, but not c-obs ? | 09:07 |
| lbt | I should push latest changes... | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: correct | 09:08 |
| djszapi | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/armv7hl/packages/armv7hl/ -> I do not find libasound2 here from alsa.. | 09:08 |
| djszapi | is it bundled into alsa-lib-devel ? | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: is alsa-lib, probably | 09:08 |
| djszapi | right.. | 09:08 |
| lbt | djszapi: I owe you a "pong" too :) | 09:08 |
| djszapi | lbt: :) it would be better to me after the PA sprint. | 09:09 |
| lbt | OK | 09:09 |
| djszapi | so what is the decision base with obs, and not c-obs for mer ? | 09:09 |
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| lbt | we own obs | 09:09 |
| lbt | and it's not really fair to build Mer on the MeeGo infra | 09:10 |
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| djszapi | lbt: so c-obs was meant to be a meego obs client ? | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: we have a machine that just happens to do mer building, that we own, but anyone can set up their own 'mer building' machine | 09:10 |
| djszapi | client in the sense of an obs user. | 09:11 |
| lbt | c.obs is the meego community OBS | 09:11 |
| djszapi | right.. | 09:11 |
| djszapi | so raspberry, android and others are not proper there eithe rthen. | 09:11 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: fair enough | 09:11 |
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| lbt | and it can actually build *against* many distros, suses, fedora, debian as well as meego | 09:11 |
| djszapi | I had the impression community is obs for any community project. | 09:11 |
| djszapi | community obs is* | 09:12 |
| lbt | community != whole world | 09:12 |
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| lbt | there is (was) a focus on meego | 09:12 |
| djszapi | yes, it is better to separate the things for maintenance reasons. | 09:12 |
| djszapi | and for clear understanding from user pov. | 09:13 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: did you get my msg on merrelease_lbt.sh | 09:13 |
| lbt | createrelease_lbt.sh even | 09:13 |
| djszapi | lbt so is it hard to set up obs for my own machine if I would like to utilize it for raspberry, android or whatever ? | 09:13 |
| alterego | Open SuSe have a single obs system don't they? For both community and distribution. | 09:13 |
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| djszapi | lbt: or even for PA for instance ? | 09:14 |
| alterego | djszapi: it should be within your capability, it's easier too if you run the obs VMs | 09:14 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yes, i didn't see anything wrong | 09:14 |
| lbt | djszapi: no, it's not hard - but it's also not really needed | 09:14 |
| djszapi | alterego: yes | 09:14 |
| djszapi | lbt: oh, not needed ? | 09:15 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'd need to make a tag (same content) and then run it | 09:15 |
| lbt | djszapi: you don't need to replicate launchpad to build ubuntu | 09:15 |
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| djszapi | lbt so you think there are already solutions for raspberry ? | 09:15 |
| djszapi | andandroid ? | 09:15 |
| lbt | same for fedora, debian etc - you don't need to replicate their engineer scale build systems | 09:15 |
| djszapi | I think PA uses -obs | 09:16 |
| djszapi | c-obs* | 09:16 |
| lbt | but you can if it turns you on | 09:16 |
| alterego | Stskeeps, lbt: Okay my server is coming back up now. | 09:16 |
| alterego | wiki is now accessible again | 09:16 |
| lbt | as it happens PA use c-obs and open-slx were working with us on getting a mer community OBS up | 09:16 |
| alterego | lbt: is that dcp thing a MeeGo project? | 09:17 |
| alterego | Or should I say, was it a meego project? ;) | 09:18 |
| djszapi | lbt: can it be used for playbook (qnx kernel), or is obs tight to the linux core ? | 09:18 |
| lbt | phone - back | 09:18 |
| lbt | alterego: no, it's mine as meego sysadmin | 09:19 |
| djszapi | cmake is provided by mer core ... nice. | 09:20 |
| lbt | djszapi: if you see stefan there you can remind him about the PA c.obs - I've not managed to catch him for a while. He may have handed over to asiego | 09:20 |
| djszapi | I guess I do not to specify cmake as a build dependency in the yaml file if I choose that as a builder. | 09:21 |
| djszapi | need* | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i suspect we're using tmpfs and qemu wrong | 09:21 |
| alterego | lbt: ah, okay. | 09:21 |
| djszapi | lbt: I do not know who stefan is ... I do not see him on the list at least: https://sprints.kde.org/sprint/80 | 09:22 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: err.... | 09:22 |
| lbt | djszapi: ok, nm | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: let me just try to walk you through my theory | 09:22 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: context? | 09:22 |
| alterego | brb | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: mer ci obs | 09:22 |
| lbt | failing workers? | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | and the out of memory situations with qtwebkit | 09:22 |
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| lbt | ah... OK | 09:22 |
| lbt | the ld fix didn't then ? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | well it does help to some extent | 09:23 |
| djszapi | so I should not use lib prefix for libraries ? | 09:23 |
| djszapi | say, I use libopenal-dev on harmattan ... I should use openal-devel in here ? | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: it depends, if the tarball name is openal, we usually use openal-devel | 09:24 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: ok | 09:24 |
| alterego | So, does anyone know of a declarative HTTP server? | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: OK, so, right now our workers setup is ext4 files on top of a /fast tmpfs. build kvm's are being run with virtio cache=unsafe | 09:25 |
| alterego | Or am I going to have to create a declarative API for the Qt based server I already have? :) | 09:25 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: so by "we" you mean "I" *g* | 09:25 |
| timoph | alterego: I'd guess you have to create the API | 09:25 |
| alterego | Oh well | 09:26 |
| lbt | I don't do it like that in c.obs | 09:26 |
| alterego | Shouldn't be too much issue. | 09:26 |
| lbt | so where's the failure? cobs qtwebkit and/or ci ? | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ci | 09:26 |
| lbt | OK | 09:26 |
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| lbt | carry on then :) | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | so, virtio cache=unsafe means that effectively all writes go into host cache | 09:27 |
| lbt | yes | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | problem is just that tmpfs is also host cache | 09:27 |
| lbt | host memory | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | yes, cache | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | and when host writes out host cache, it actually writes it into the host cache again | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | host does this at times of course, to write out dirty data | 09:29 |
| jukkaeklund | can't edit mer wiki, "out of captcha images" | 09:29 |
| alterego | oh ffs | 09:29 |
| timoph | :) | 09:29 |
| alterego | Not to self, use recaptcha instead next time ;) | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: which results in a situation where we actually get too much memory pressure | 09:31 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I need to remind myself of how this works in c.obs/standard obs | 09:31 |
| lbt | I'm sure it does not make an ext on the tmpfs | 09:32 |
| lbt | but it's xen | 09:32 |
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| jukkaeklund | wiki editing works again.. | 09:36 |
| alterego | jukkaeklund: can you try now? | 09:37 |
| alterego | cool :) | 09:37 |
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| jukkaeklund | alterego, so it was you giving the server some sweet love? | 09:41 |
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| kulve | I finally managed to build the Graphics_SDK_4_04_00_01 for my 2.6.32 kernel and eventhough I manage to load kernel modules without errors I don't get /dev/pvrsrvkm: http://pastie.org/3539897 | 09:48 |
| alterego | jukkaeklund: Yup | 09:49 |
| phaeron | lbt: tmpfs is an fs , you don't need to mkfs on top of it | 09:49 |
| kulve | also it seems that this version might not actually need the separate omaplfb module.. | 09:49 |
| jukkaeklund | well doe | 09:49 |
| jukkaeklund | done, even | 09:49 |
| slaine | Oh joyous day, my RAM upgrade arrived | 09:49 |
| alterego | God damn internet service providers | 09:49 |
| lbt | phaeron: when the tmpfs is on host, how do you get it used in a vm guest? | 09:49 |
| alterego | 5 months I've been with them for this 50Mb service and it's basically only worked properly for the first week. | 09:50 |
| alterego | I am starting to see red. | 09:50 |
| alterego | They can't even tell me what's wrong with the freakin' connection -_- | 09:50 |
| jonwil | which ISP is this (so I know never to use em) | 09:50 |
| alterego | Virgin Media | 09:50 |
| alterego | (UK) | 09:50 |
| jonwil | Ah. Those incompetent idiots :P | 09:50 |
| alterego | I've called 10 times, I've had 5 engineer visits. | 09:50 |
| jonwil | is there no other alternative? | 09:51 |
| alterego | And everyone agrees something is wrong, but no one is fixing it. | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: maybe pvrsrvkm has to be in your board file? | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 09:51 |
| alterego | Well, I could use BT, but they're likely worse. | 09:51 |
| alterego | Anyway, enough OT ranting ;) | 09:51 |
| alterego | I'm going to have a shower. | 09:51 |
| jonwil | :) | 09:52 |
| alterego | Apparently their "Level 2 Support" team will ring me within the hour. | 09:52 |
| phaeron | lbt: not sure you could use 9p :D | 09:52 |
| alterego | I might just ask if I can talk to Richard Branson when they call me up. | 09:52 |
| lbt | alterego: they'll ring whilst you're in the shower | 09:53 |
| alterego | lbt: probably, but I doubt it, last time they said they'd call me back it took two days ;) | 09:53 |
| jonwil | At least in Australia we have genuine competition | 09:53 |
| lbt | they sound like 1&1 | 09:53 |
| jonwil | and a number of very good ISPs to pick from | 09:53 |
| lbt | jonwil: we do too | 09:53 |
| lbt | they compete all the way to the bottom | 09:53 |
| phaeron | lbt: can something like dmsetup help ? | 09:53 |
| alterego | Hah | 09:53 |
| alterego | bbiam | 09:54 |
| phaeron | map a part of tmpfs as a block device and use that directly in the host as tmpfs | 09:54 |
| * alterego puts phone on "Very Loud" ;) | 09:54 | |
| phaeron | err gues | 09:54 |
| w00t | jonwil: it doesn't really count when they all use telstra's infrastructure though.. ;) (maybe the NBN will finally be fixing that? I've lost touch with things over there) | 09:54 |
| jonwil | The NBN is good | 09:54 |
| jonwil | And if you go with an ISP that has their own kit in the phone exchange, things are not too bad | 09:55 |
| jonwil | Only time I have to deal with Telstra is when I need to pay my phone line rental, everything else is handled through the ISP (including my internet bill) | 09:56 |
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| jonwil | and the bill can just be paid online through the internet banking :) | 09:56 |
| jonwil | Aparently I am in one of the next locations for the NBN rollout | 09:57 |
| * w00t remembers the days of yore, telstra dialup in sydney... ugh | 09:57 | |
| jonwil | For many years I was with TPG dialup | 09:57 |
| w00t | 12, or was it 24 hour forced redial? hmm | 09:57 |
| jonwil | Then I was finally able to get first 512kbps then later 1.5mbps and now ADSL2+ speeds, all from TPG | 09:58 |
| jonwil | Bring on the NBN (also with a TPG plan) | 09:58 |
| w00t | yeah, a good friend of mine used to use TPG, they were pretty awesome | 09:59 |
| jonwil | The way things are going though, TPG may follow Internode, AAPT and others and get swallowed up by the iiBorg (i.e. iiNet) | 10:00 |
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| jonwil | Not that iiNet is bad, I got nothing but good things to say about em (unlike Helstra, Optarse and Vodafail) | 10:00 |
| w00t | aapt got bought out..? | 10:02 |
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| w00t | woah. | 10:02 |
| w00t | did not see that one coming | 10:03 |
| yobu | All American Pet Co Inc (PINK:AAPT) | 10:03 |
| yobu | are we talking a DAX symbol or something? | 10:04 |
| phaeron | lbt: kvm has -mem-path option which can use a file as ram | 10:04 |
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| jonwil | no, AAPT is the name of an Australia ISP | 10:04 |
| jonwil | Australian | 10:05 |
| phaeron | lbt: so I imaging dd a zero file to tmpfs use that as backing for the vm ram and do tmpfs root inside the vm | 10:05 |
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| lbt | phaeron: yes, I was looking at how kvm does memory alloc | 10:05 |
| lbt | I think overallocation would be dodgy but we could have a huge swap | 10:06 |
| phaeron | lbt: tmpfs is vm = ram backed by swap | 10:07 |
| phaeron | right ? | 10:07 |
| lbt | yes | 10:07 |
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| phaeron | vm is virtual memory | 10:07 |
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| lbt | tmpfs is pagecache | 10:07 |
| lbt | and it swaps | 10:07 |
| lbt | so the problem is that the rootfs needs prepopulating | 10:08 |
| lbt | so ideally you'd run an initramfs which takes a pre-made rootfs and mounts / inside the VM on a tmpfs then copies rootfs into it | 10:09 |
| lbt | what does that gain you? | 10:09 |
| lbt | all tmpfs inside VM would be pure pagecache - no writes via virtio | 10:09 |
| phaeron | ie no real disk. | 10:10 |
| lbt | yes | 10:10 |
| lbt | if Stskeeps is right then you'd avoid his issue too | 10:11 |
| phaeron | can the copying of rootfs be skipped if you just mount tmpfs into the builddir | 10:11 |
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| Stskeeps | i just switched to two patches, 1) cache=writethrough (cache isn't possible for some reason) 2) remove the sparse files after build is over | 10:11 |
| phaeron | the rootfs is is just read from anyway | 10:11 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/434690/ -> mmh, why is it so ? I need the *-devel packages for building, and not configuration.. | 10:12 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: the upstream obs removes the tmpfs totally | 10:12 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I'd like to move to their approach | 10:12 |
| lbt | it's more dynamic | 10:12 |
| Stskeeps | as in they mount multiple tmpfs'es or what exactly? | 10:12 |
| lbt | yes | 10:13 |
| lbt | they just mount a tmpfs at $buildroot | 10:13 |
| Stskeeps | and then a disk image inside? | 10:13 |
| lbt | with the same size as the .root file which is the rootfs ext image | 10:13 |
| lbt | yes | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | maybe | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | isn't that what you use on tmpfs worker though? | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | or what is your approach | 10:14 |
| Stskeeps | on cobs | 10:14 |
| lbt | yes, I use upstream | 10:14 |
| lbt | I patched it a bit and sent them up | 10:15 |
| Stskeeps | and that dies fairly often? | 10:15 |
| lbt | they didn't take all my patches :) | 10:15 |
| lbt | I admit I may not have sent them all *g* | 10:15 |
| lbt | I also just added lazy umount and "check really mounted" which I hope will fix the dying workers | 10:16 |
| lbt | my previous patch did 5 retries to umount - basically the VM took time to release the filehandles | 10:16 |
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| lbt | alterego: DNS is set to 600 second ttl so we can drop that to 60 as we move the wiki | 10:26 |
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| djszapi | lbt how about the sb2 thingie ? :) | 10:30 |
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| lbt | djszapi: yep - working on that | 10:30 |
| lbt | timoph has it working and we need to do some reshaping around the place to build images and make it installable | 10:31 |
| lbt | coffee ... bbiab | 10:31 |
| djszapi | lbt have you considered some mic sutff ? | 10:32 |
| djszapi | like at meego times ? | 10:32 |
| alterego | lbt: cool | 10:33 |
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| lbt | djszapi: ? mic stuff ? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: sb2 approach can basically: you make a image, you initialize it as a target with sb2, install packages into it with sb2, and you can build as if it was a fast version of the target | 10:37 |
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| djszapi | Stskeeps: will I use (mic-)chroot ? | 10:38 |
| djszapi | or am I always outside like with MADDE ? | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: you won't be chrooting | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | it will be more clear once we put instructions up | 10:38 |
| djszapi | I prefer personally being inside the devel root. | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes, you'll see why you'll like this | 10:38 |
| Stskeeps | just be patient :) | 10:39 |
| djszapi | well, we discuss things here :) | 10:39 |
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| kulve | I managed to build the latest TI release to my 2.6.32 as well but it have exactly the same problem (no device node). I wonder if the driver expects something from the kernel (that my .32 doesn't provide) and then it fails without printing an error.. | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: sure it needs pvrsrvkm? | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | they were moving to DRI2 and DRM at some point | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | and instead a omapdrm thing | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | or was that for pandaboard.. | 10:43 |
| kulve | well. I assumed it does because their init.d script tries to set its mode etc. But it actually looks like it doesn't need it! | 10:43 |
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| lbt | Stskeeps: ready to push the new tag to gerrit | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: don't do that right now | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: please wait ~8 hours | 10:50 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i've been integrating content after you said you were done yesterday | 10:51 |
| lbt | OK - I was going to tag the same content | 10:51 |
| lbt | but change the structure | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't matter, you'll be snapshotting current state of CI obs | 10:51 |
| lbt | ah | 10:51 |
| Stskeeps | remember, we don't have project-copy yet | 10:51 |
| lbt | OK | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | the good news is that we're likely to have content already tonight | 10:52 |
| * lbt wonders how to test making the /cross stuff | 10:52 | |
| lbt | OK - how about doing this without doing the tag - then we can erase it and redo it | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | if you want to use createrelease, not good idea now | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | it will pull from obs | 10:55 |
| lbt | yes, that's OK | 10:55 |
| lbt | rm -rf is my friend :) | 10:55 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | also, the repos are building so it won't be useful | 10:56 |
| lbt | that's OK too | 10:56 |
| lbt | I'm not planning on using it | 10:56 |
| Stskeeps | NORSYNC=1 too | 10:56 |
| lbt | I want to make sure the script runs ... and even document what happens when you need to redo a step like this | 10:57 |
| lbt | yep, NORSYNC is OK (but again, rm -rf is fine) | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but better safe than sorry.. | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:58 |
| lbt | I'll review it and tell you what I'd like to run in a min | 10:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 10:58 |
| alterego | undefined reference to `main' .. | 11:04 |
| * alterego sighs, but it's there! :D | 11:04 | |
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| alterego | Weird, _now_ it compiles .. | 11:05 |
| alterego | Oh, I see .. | 11:06 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: I'm now again testing with the qmlviewer.ks and the rpm is complaining about the arch. If I do the hacks in nemo....ks (put arch to zypper.conf and /etc/rpm/platform) the rpm works | 11:07 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: interesting | 11:12 |
| Stskeeps | it's armv7l port, right | 11:12 |
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| kulve | and then to my next problem. Any ideas why this happens when running eglinfo: WSEGL_InitialiseDisplay: DRI2OpenConnection failed | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: are you running their xorg driver? | 11:13 |
| kulve | and I have now: WindowSystem=libpvrPVR2D_DRIWSEGL.so | 11:13 |
| kulve | Stskeeps: no. Do they have one.. | 11:13 |
| Stskeeps | thinkso | 11:14 |
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| kulve | Driver "pvr" | 11:14 |
| Stskeeps | does it get loaded? | 11:14 |
| kulve | yeah, I guess that would be the name of it | 11:14 |
| kulve | I haven't found it yet | 11:14 |
| kulve | is that just a closed source binary or can I compile it? If just a binary, is there any chance of it loading to Mer X.Org? | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | it's closed source, i think | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | binary: should be possible | 11:17 |
| Stskeeps | we are fairly well along | 11:17 |
| kulve | [ 870.107] (EE) module ABI major version (6) doesn't match the server's version (10) | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | arh | 11:20 |
| kulve | "compiled for 1.7.5, module version = 1.6.4117" | 11:20 |
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| kulve | I guess somebody has a version (10) somewhere: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/Xorg.0.log | 11:29 |
| Stskeeps | maybe ubuntu does | 11:30 |
| lbt | kulve: what hardware? | 11:30 |
| kulve | omap3630 or omap3730 | 11:30 |
| lbt | ok - DRI error was similar to one I'd seen | 11:31 |
| lbt | not the same ... nm :) | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | kulve: https://github.com/robclark/xf86-video-omap is something that's in progress | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | but probably not sane for you | 11:32 |
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| Stskeeps | hello sahack | 11:33 |
| sahack | Er.. hi | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | welcome ;) so what brings you here to #mer ? | 11:34 |
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| sahack | I was trying to compile the new u-boot branch from ali1234 and I always run into errors, so I decided to look here for answers. | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:35 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: export REL=0.20120315.0.0.2; export PRERELEASE=1; export NORSYNC=1; tools/createrelease_lbt.sh $REL http://fe.in.merproject.org/public rsync://be.in.merproject.org/obsrepos 2>&1 | tee log-trial | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 11:35 |
| lbt | I've also updated the docs in there a fair bit | 11:35 |
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| alterego | Declarative HTTP server: http://pastie.org/3540496 | 11:47 |
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| alterego | :D | 11:47 |
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| * lbt mumbles something about dead body and production system... the precise interpretation left to your imagination... | 11:49 | |
| * Stskeeps hides | 11:49 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: "proposed structure and statement that account signatures adhere | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | regarding project account to decisions made by advisory board (to | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | mailing list)" | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | can we get that to list soon? | 11:49 |
| lbt | did you see my email ? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i did | 11:49 |
| djszapi | err...guys, do you have any ideas for my specify issue ? :) | 11:50 |
| lbt | so yeah - I was just talking to denise about it | 11:50 |
| djszapi | (aforementioned) | 11:50 |
| alterego | lbt: it's not designed for a "production" system, the facility is to allow two QML applications on different deviecs around your house to communicate with each other. | 11:50 |
| lbt | alterego: kidding - looks fun | 11:50 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/434762/ | 11:50 |
| * lbt notes https | 11:50 | |
| alterego | The next stage is to figure out if the framework will properly handle TLS and connection keep-alives. | 11:51 |
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| alterego | Because my idea will only work if I can send a kind of NOTIFY down the HTTP tubes :) | 11:51 |
| alterego | Don't really want polling. | 11:51 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: all i'm asking for there is a structured proposal to go to the mailing list, basically | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | so it's not just a bunch of irc meeting log lines :) | 11:53 |
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| kulve | Stskeeps: I took the ubuntu omap4 pvr_drv.so and while it loads, it doesn't get much further: http://pastie.org/3540542 | 11:54 |
| kulve | maybe there's a different version for omap3 | 11:54 |
| kulve | there should be: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/OMAP/Graphics , I'm not just sure from where to find them | 11:56 |
| Stskeeps | in the hwpacks | 11:57 |
| Stskeeps | i would guess | 11:57 |
| kulve | I found all the packages from that Graphics page in some mirror (I guess) but none of them has the pvr_drv.so | 12:00 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: yes, I realise | 12:00 |
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| alterego | Looks like I can do persistent connections, so TLS security is the next step. | 12:07 |
| alterego | Well, actually turning it in to a proper Declarative plugin is my next step :) | 12:07 |
| * timoph compiled hello world with qtcreator inside the sdk | 12:08 | |
| Stskeeps | timoph: you got it built? | 12:09 |
| timoph | yep. with attempt #8 :) | 12:09 |
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| Stskeeps | congrats :) | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | how? | 12:09 |
| timoph | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qt-creator&project=home%3Atimoph | 12:09 |
| timoph | basically took the packaging from fathi's version and updated it | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | what toolchain did you select in qt creator? | 12:10 |
| timoph | I installed g++ into the sdk | 12:11 |
| timoph | so no sb2 | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:11 |
| timoph | that's the next thing | 12:11 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if qt creator does --sysroot= | 12:12 |
| timoph | no idea | 12:12 |
| * Stskeeps boots it up | 12:13 | |
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| djszapi | hi, is there a variable for /etc/ ? | 12:16 |
| djszapi | for the spec file, that is | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | %{_sysconfdir} | 12:16 |
| djszapi | similar to %{_includedir}/ or {_libdir}/ | 12:16 |
| djszapi | thanks | 12:16 |
| djszapi | not sure what this is about ... https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=openal&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&repository=Project_KDE_Devel_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl | 12:24 |
| djszapi | Requires: %{name} = %{version}-%{release} -> perhaps this line ? | 12:25 |
| djszapi | shall I use Ummh, nope...well unsure. | 12:26 |
| djszapi | or perhaps this ? %setup -q -n %{name}-%{version} (autogenerated that way, but unsure why...) | 12:26 |
| djszapi | thing is that I would like to keep the debian naming schema... | 12:26 |
| djszapi | so that rpm and debian tarballs can be shared.. | 12:27 |
| Stskeeps | ideally people should use pkgconfigs | 12:27 |
| djszapi | ideal to whom.. | 12:28 |
| djszapi | I do not understand the issue because the same naming schema worked with my previous package. | 12:29 |
| djszapi | the subpackage management is different here without involving a full name for them. | 12:29 |
| djszapi | interesting, this is the generated setup line in my previous package: %setup -q -n %{name} | 12:32 |
| djszapi | wonder why different setup line generation.. | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | there's some options to set that | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: cool work with qt creator, btw | 12:35 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: which one shall I go for ? | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: it ranges on the directory name of the packge | 12:36 |
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| djszapi | %{name} or {name}-%{version} | 12:36 |
| djszapi | I wonder why it is different in two similar cases | 12:36 |
| djszapi | the only difference is the subpackaging | 12:36 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: thanks | 12:36 |
| djszapi | I do not use this time full name, just "devel". | 12:36 |
| * Stskeeps decides to go for a rest | 12:37 | |
| Stskeeps | brb | 12:37 |
| djszapi | enjoy | 12:38 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: easier to ping here than on twitter maybe | 13:18 |
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| Stskeeps | jeremiah: best way to use Mer for IVI is, taking the core, like ubuntu core did, and add IVI things on top | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | and collaborate on those pieces | 13:19 |
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| Stskeeps | wb phaeron | 15:38 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: thanks | 15:42 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: can I pm please | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | sure | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | (always, actually) | 15:42 |
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| timoph | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Compiling_with_the_SDK_.28FIXME.29 | 16:03 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: added that ^ | 16:03 |
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| timoph | not very straight forward currently but if someone feels like experimenting.. | 16:03 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 16:04 |
| timoph | (and so that I don't forget :)) | 16:05 |
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| slaine | Disappointed, "only" 16GB usable after the RAM upgrade | 16:48 |
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| slaine | the supplied upgrade is different timings to the 2GB in the server | 16:48 |
| slaine | I know it's only 2GB difference, but still | 16:49 |
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| * lbt is back | 16:50 | |
| Stskeeps | wb | 16:50 |
| lbt | coffee with a tango friend in Reading :) | 16:50 |
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| djszapi | hey, what is this thingie ? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=openal&project=home%3Adjszapi%3AKDE-Devel&repository=Project_KDE_Devel_CE_UX_PlasmaActive_armv7hl | 16:59 |
| Stskeeps | you'd have to ask the kde packagers | 17:00 |
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| Stskeeps | well | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | or yourself | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | %cmake . \ %{cmake_kde_options} | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | is in your .spec | 17:00 |
| djszapi | what is wrong about that ? | 17:01 |
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| djszapi | should be alright. | 17:01 |
| Stskeeps | well it's erroring there and you have it yourself in the package | 17:02 |
| Stskeeps | doesn't resolve, it seems | 17:02 |
| djszapi | interesting why my other package works then | 17:02 |
| djszapi | I try to remove that config then | 17:03 |
| * lbt joins Stskeepsie and pokes Stskeeps to see when he can do a real /cross snapshot | 17:04 | |
| Stskeeps | not doneyet | 17:04 |
| lbt | *nod* the script needed a few minor tweaks but works fine | 17:04 |
| lbt | http://pastie.org/3542404 | 17:05 |
| lbt | wondering if we need cross-armv6l as a group ? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | errr.. | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | please don't take cross-*platformfile out | 17:06 |
| lbt | OK -what is it? | 17:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's some stuff used within a build on arm side | 17:07 |
| lbt | why is it called cross- ? | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | because it's injected to the other side | 17:07 |
| Stskeeps | basically, just take out cross-*-binutils and cross-*-gcc | 17:07 |
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| lbt | leave sysroot ? | 17:11 |
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| Stskeeps | not useful, just let it be in the scheduler, the only two needed are binutils and gcc | 17:14 |
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| lbt | OK - just being clear | 17:14 |
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| lbt | rebuilding | 17:17 |
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| djszapi | hey... | 17:26 |
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| djszapi | how can I avoid the error messageabout not packaged files ? | 17:26 |
| djszapi | I would not like to package everything on purpose. | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | that's bad packaging | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | use %exclude instead in %files | 17:26 |
| djszapi | not bad packaging, but bad upstream job ;-) | 17:27 |
| djszapi | for instance I do not, as a packager, have option for building only the mobile stuff | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | also, will you please just stay in the channel, you're jumping in and out | 17:27 |
| djszapi | well...I could theoritically patchthe things... | 17:27 |
| djszapi | not sure I would like to spend my time with that though.. | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package | 17:31 |
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| lbt | alterego: ping | 17:59 |
| lbt | wiki move? | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hello blackpearl | 18:16 |
| blackpearl | hi... | 18:17 |
| blackpearl | are you aware of installing nemo on n900 ? | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, installation instructions are good | 18:17 |
| blackpearl | i've installed the latest one but while running i can't find home and back buttons on the top..are they removed ? | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | yes, try to gesture from the bottom or side of the screen | 18:19 |
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| djszapi | lbt: http://paste.kde.org/434954/ | 18:21 |
| blackpearl | and also side of screen did't work.. | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | blackpearl: try slowly | 18:23 |
| blackpearl | and for multi booting adaption kernel for n900, what is the file system type in ITEM_FSTYPE | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | don't use that, use uboot pr13 according to our instructions | 18:27 |
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| blackpearl | but uboot gets removed automatically if another kernel is flashed using multiboot..is there any solution for having multiboot and uboot both ? | 18:31 |
| djszapi | do you have libvorbisfile support ? | 18:33 |
| djszapi | or at least libvorbis-idec ? | 18:33 |
| djszapi | I would like to have ogg decoding/encoding in my game. | 18:33 |
| djszapi | decoding at this stage, I think. | 18:33 |
| Stskeeps | we have libvorbis at east | 18:33 |
| djszapi | ok, let me try. | 18:34 |
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| djszapi | cool you have libsndfile too | 18:35 |
| djszapi | evenflac... | 18:35 |
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| djszapi | is it possible to developer for Mer with out-of-a-changeroot environment way ? | 18:53 |
| djszapi | as in, for instance with MADDE | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | eventually | 18:53 |
| djszapi | because it might be simpler to integrate such a stuff into IDEs like KDevelop... | 18:54 |
| djszapi | nothing provides pkgconfig(libsndfile), nothing provides pkgconfig(libvorbis) -> but If I try to put libsndfile-devel into the PkgBR section...specify complains... | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | pkgconfig(sndfile) pkgconfig(vorbis) | 18:55 |
| djszapi | the former is an obs web interface unresolvable detail.. | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | specify just warns | 18:55 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/434966/ -> specify warn | 18:56 |
| djszapi | I mean... I need the devel package for building my software. | 18:57 |
| djszapi | (that is normally the build require btw) | 18:57 |
| djszapi | at least with debian based system | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | right, pkgconfig() gets you that | 18:57 |
| djszapi | so is it a false positive specify warn message ? | 18:57 |
| djszapi | what do you mean ? | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | well, pkgconfig(libsndfile) is wrong | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | it's pkgconfig(sndfile) | 18:58 |
| djszapi | I am not getting it | 18:58 |
| Stskeeps | try with that fixed firt | 18:58 |
| djszapi | http://paste.kde.org/434978/ -> I am trying with this contents. | 18:59 |
| djszapi | where shall I use the pkgconfig() thing ? | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | just ignore the warning for now | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | bbl | 19:00 |
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| djszapi | lbt: ping | 19:05 |
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| djszapi | do we have a variable for /usr/share/doc ? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: rpm --showrc | 19:35 |
| djszapi | I do not have rpm installed. | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | do it on device or whereever, or include it in a %build part of a .spec | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | evening phaeron | 19:36 |
| phaeron | evening | 19:37 |
| djszapi | Stskeeps: do not have device. | 19:37 |
| djszapi | not sure what you mean by the build part. | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | go look at a spec file, just run 'rpm --showrc' in %build section and you'll see it in build log | 19:37 |
| djszapi | well, that is quite time consuming | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's time consuming for me and others to help you out, too, so please just do it | 19:39 |
| djszapi | you do not need to answer, if you do not have time. | 19:40 |
| djszapi | (it is actually just one variable to say after all) | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | and i'm stating that it's better to teach you how to fish than feed you one, so stop complaining. i look up rpm --showrc each time you ask a question anyway | 19:41 |
| djszapi | but as I said, I do not have it. | 19:41 |
| djszapi | and I will not wait 1-2 hours, you know. | 19:41 |
| djszapi | I better just give up, and do easier doable stuff :) | 19:42 |
| djszapi | it is probably docdir anyway | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | djszapi: you're wasting everyone's time by not simply googling or spending even the slightest amount of time to figure out the answer to a question yourself - please read http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html before asking any further questions | 19:43 |
| djszapi | I do not understand what is problem with asking for a simple answer which takes few seconds with an environment in place that I do not need right now. | 19:44 |
| djszapi | instead of waiting hours | 19:44 |
| djszapi | but thanks for your disappointing answer, and wasting your time with it as well... | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm really trying hard to be patient, but please do understand that there's a minimal amount of effort required when asking questions and not deride when people tell you how to find out a question :/ | 19:45 |
| * frals just saw Stskeeps talk to himself for the past hour \o/ | 19:47 | |
| Stskeeps | frals: i am not tyler durden | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:47 |
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| frals | bah :( | 19:47 |
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| w00t | frals: WHERE THE HECK HAVE YOU BEEN | 19:48 |
| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "The Mer Project - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/ | Contribution to packages: http://bit.ly/tJUL43 | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs | To see what you can help with, http://bit.ly/ymlJ0c & find newest 'Available tasks to do' post | Meetings: http://bit.ly/yP9Jg6 | FAQ for questions: http://" | 19:48 | |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 19:48 |
| w00t | i missed you :( | 19:48 |
| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "The Mer Project - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/ | Contribution to packages: http://bit.ly/tJUL43 | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs | To see what you can help with, http://bit.ly/ymlJ0c & find newest 'Available tasks to do' post | Meetings: http://bit.ly/yP9Jg6 | http://catb.org/esr/faqs/s" | 19:48 | |
| Stskeeps | well that sucks | 19:48 |
| frals | w00t: last week i was in sunnyvale | 19:48 |
| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "The Mer Project - http://www.merproject.org | Wiki: http://wiki.merproject.org/ | Contribution to packages: http://bit.ly/tJUL43 | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs | To see what you can help with, http://bit.ly/ymlJ0c & find "Available tasks' | Meetings: http://bit.ly/yP9Jg6 | http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.htm" | 19:48 | |
| w00t | Stskeeps: you think anyone that should read that, will read that? ;) | 19:48 |
| w00t | frals: well yes | 19:49 |
| frals | so super mega awesome weather the last few days there... i was pretty tempted to stay :P | 19:49 |
| w00t | but _this_ week :( | 19:49 |
| frals | got back monday evening and yesterday was spent on d3 beta :DD | 19:49 |
| *** Stskeeps changes topic to "The Mer Project - http://www.merproject.org | http://wiki.merproject.org/ | Contribution to packages: http://bit.ly/tJUL43 | Building against Mer in COBS: http://bit.ly/v4riNg | This channel is logged, http://mer.bfst.de/logs | To see what you can help with, http://bit.ly/ymlJ0c & find "Available tasks' | Meetings: http://bit.ly/yP9Jg6 | http://catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html" | 19:49 | |
| w00t | ... oh dear | 19:49 |
| frals | now packing for sweden | 19:49 |
| frals | so looking forward until i move from finland | 19:49 |
| frals | so, whats up? | 19:50 |
| w00t | not much | 19:50 |
| w00t | it's still cold, snowy.. | 19:50 |
| w00t | i've still been doing some fun things in qt :P | 19:51 |
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| Sage_ | lbt: workers worker workers | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | two workers left? not bad | 20:08 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: anything you have access to? | 20:10 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: just restart them ? | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, looks like it | 20:10 |
| lbt | mmm | 20:11 |
| lbt | I guess my patch failed | 20:11 |
| lbt | kicked | 20:11 |
| phaeron | ok .. | 20:12 |
| phaeron | bbl | 20:12 |
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| lbt | alterego: wiki ? | 20:34 |
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| ScriptRipper | ping, anyone still there ? | 22:56 |
| _av500_ | closed for the day | 22:56 |
| ScriptRipper | is this an auto reply of the robot or you :D | 22:57 |
| _av500_ | make me take a turing test? | 22:58 |
| ScriptRipper | or the eliza test ! | 22:58 |
| _av500_ | tell me about eliza | 22:59 |
| ScriptRipper | it was one of the first KIs created for the turing test | 23:00 |
| _av500_ | interesting, tell me about the turing test | 23:00 |
| ScriptRipper | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ELIZA | 23:00 |
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| ScriptRipper | by Joseph Weizenbaum | 23:01 |
| _av500_ | Please go on. | 23:01 |
| ScriptRipper | created to fool us in such IRC channels :D | 23:02 |
| ScriptRipper | maybe you read too much Asimov ? | 23:02 |
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| _av500_ | Why the uncertain tone? | 23:03 |
| ScriptRipper | harhar | 23:03 |
| ScriptRipper | I am just in party mood | 23:03 |
| ScriptRipper | means: much of the very best whine | 23:03 |
| _av500_ | How long have you been just in party mood? | 23:03 |
| ScriptRipper | since this afternoon | 23:04 |
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| ScriptRipper | GMT | 23:04 |
| _av500_ | interesting | 23:04 |
| ScriptRipper | another big user of Open Build Service committed | 23:05 |
| ScriptRipper | they are also not bad for Mer, just a hint :D | 23:05 |
| ScriptRipper | and I dont mention them.... | 23:06 |
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| ScriptRipper | I am drinking some 10 year old Barolon on this :) | 23:07 |
| ScriptRipper | and hear some nice music from ACDC on this, and Pink Floyd | 23:08 |
| ScriptRipper | cheers | 23:08 |
| _av500_ | cheers | 23:09 |
| lbt | *g* | 23:09 |
| ScriptRipper | I meant Barlolo - from 2002 | 23:09 |
| * lbt just stuck his head in whilst hacking on some new packaging stuff | 23:09 | |
| lbt | _av500_: rofl | 23:10 |
| ScriptRipper | btw, what kind of music do you hear, now that I outed my self as brit rock and roll fan ? | 23:10 |
| ScriptRipper | and of course british colonies ;D | 23:10 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt, what do you say ? | 23:11 |
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| _av500_ | lbt: I found the place empty so I took the stage :) | 23:11 |
| someoneelse | maybe pet shop boys? | 23:11 |
| someoneelse | or Beautiful South | 23:11 |
| ScriptRipper | hey, latter is good suggestion | 23:11 |
| ScriptRipper | also like parts of pet hop boys | 23:12 |
| someoneelse | I also like Gotan Project | 23:12 |
| someoneelse | but that's mainly modern electric tango music | 23:12 |
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| ScriptRipper | what about english roots rock - talk talk ? | 23:12 |
| someoneelse | INXS | 23:13 |
| someoneelse | Marillion | 23:13 |
| ScriptRipper | I can remember to drive on the wrong side of the road when I heared talk talk - living in another world | 23:14 |
| ScriptRipper | short after got with my car via ferry to england | 23:14 |
| ScriptRipper | :) | 23:14 |
| someoneelse | Deacon Blue ... yeah | 23:14 |
| ScriptRipper | Marillion is really great | 23:15 |
| someoneelse | Fine Young Cannibals | 23:15 |
| ScriptRipper | INXS is australia - are they still part of the empire ? | 23:15 |
| someoneelse | Genesis of course | 23:15 |
| someoneelse | yeah, they did Kick | 23:15 |
| ScriptRipper | genesis, sure | 23:15 |
| ScriptRipper | did kick ? | 23:15 |
| ScriptRipper | they do kick | 23:16 |
| someoneelse | INXS album called Kick | 23:16 |
| ScriptRipper | ahh | 23:16 |
| ScriptRipper | The Cure | 23:16 |
| someoneelse | oddly I never listened to them much | 23:16 |
| someoneelse | Led Zeppelin | 23:17 |
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| ScriptRipper | killing an arab - I hope phaeron does not listen ;) | 23:17 |
| * someoneelse decides to make a playlist and go for a *VERY* fast drive tomorrow :) | 23:17 | |
| ScriptRipper | someoneelse, where are you located ? | 23:18 |
| someoneelse | Reading | 23:18 |
| *** someoneelse is now known as lbt | 23:18 | |
| ScriptRipper | so did you dink the tea with lbt ? | 23:19 |
| lbt | never heard of him :) | 23:19 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt: the tea, the Whiskey or led zepplin ? | 23:20 |
| lbt | right now, Zepplin | 23:21 |
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| ScriptRipper | for the play list: Men at Work - down under | 23:28 |
| ScriptRipper | and Midnight Oil - someoneelse, you started with the australian music crowd | 23:31 |
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| ScriptRipper | someoneelse - just wanted to make sure your fast drive is fun | 23:32 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt, someoneelse, _av500_ , still there or are you already drunk from my Barolo ? | 23:35 |
| * lbt waits for ScriptRipper to realise that someonelse was lbt in disguise .... :D ...... that's some good Barolo ScriptRipper | 23:36 | |
| ScriptRipper | let me conclude: someonelse is lbt little brother, but from australia :D | 23:44 |
| ScriptRipper | and he will drive very fast with his car in the australian desert tomorrow - while drinking and listening to INXS | 23:46 |
| ScriptRipper | or did I mess it up ? | 23:46 |
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| lbt | sounds good to me | 23:47 |
| ScriptRipper | lbt :D | 23:48 |
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