Thursday, 2012-03-08

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Macerthis 22" samsung tv is great as a monitor00:52
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Alison_Chaikenjeremiah, are you coming out for the Tizen Conf?02:18
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dcthangAlison_Chaiken: could you tell which room for Tizen Conf?02:26
Alison_Chaikendcthang, which *room*?  You mean I should get over to Tizen IRC?02:26
Alison_ChaikenSorry if I offend you, but I will work on both Mer and Tizen, but only see jeremiah on here.02:27
dcthangah ok. a bit confusing. Sorry :)02:27
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iekkumorning05:21
Stskeepsmorn iekku o/05:21
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iekkumy internet needs some coffee... slow and doesn't want to work05:57
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iekku:)06:02
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Stskeepshttp://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00349.html as well06:05
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liclStskeeps:When I try running matchbox-window-manager in our system ,it says "error while loading shared libraries: libXdamage.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory".But I have found it and cp it in to /usr/lib.Why does it still says the same words?Do you have any ideas?06:17
Stskeepslicl: you probably want to rpm -i libXdamage package instead06:17
Stskeepsand find this on the repositories06:18
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N900_rushi all06:18
Stskeepshi N900_rus06:19
timophmorning06:19
N900_rus:)06:19
Stskeepsmorn timoph :)06:20
liclStskeeps:thanks.I really did not know which package to install06:20
Stskeepslicl: if you have network, zypper in matchbox-window-manager*.rpm might tell you06:20
N900_rusStskeeps- I felt nemo)))06:20
StskeepsN900_rus: cool :)06:21
timophany news on getting the obs search working?06:22
timophlbt: ^06:22
liclStskeeps:We cannot use commands such as rpm...06:22
Stskeepstimoph: front page search should work06:22
Stskeepslicl: ah true06:22
timophoh06:22
* timoph tries06:22
dm8tbrgood moaning06:22
N900_rus<Stskeeps>Yes)) only in the Russian language would ......))))))))06:23
timophStskeeps: nope. (Message: undefined method `strip' for nil:NilClass)06:23
Stskeepstimoph: after clicking "Search" button, not the field?06:23
timophah06:24
timophthat works06:24
timophgood :)06:24
timophseems that opencv is there already. just needs a new maintainer06:25
Stskeepscool06:25
timophI think I'll copy it and it's deps into my home today and start updating06:26
kulveanybody aware of any omap3 projects/platforms (in addition to n9(xx)) that have the pvr_drv.so driver for X.Org? Or are they running without "proper" X.Org support?06:27
kulveI tried looking from Linaro hw packs and ubuntu repositories but didn't find X.Org driver for OMAP3 boards, only for OMAP406:28
N900_rusStskeeps> When the assembly is to be Next?06:32
liclStskeeps:Such a strange and funny problem!The matchbox depends Xdamage,while I compiled matchbox without Xdamage yesterday.06:32
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Stskeepskulve: btw, you may be able to downgrade xorg server, we did this also for panda06:37
N900_rus:)06:40
Stskeepskulve: at least omap4 is getting a -sane- open xorg driver..06:41
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N900_rus??06:47
kulveStskeeps: yeah, I'm already tempted to move to our omap4 hardware ;)06:48
kulveStskeeps: any suggestions in downgrading the xorg? I guess it has quite a bunch of dependencies?06:49
Stskeepskulve: you can probably get away by just adjusting the xorg version in .spec file and provide new tarball, i think06:50
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Stskeepsjukkaeklund: not sure if you saw, but timoph got qt creator working within our platform sdk06:54
Stskeepsand actually built stuff06:54
jukkaeklundwell I trusted he gets it going :)06:54
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jukkaeklundso, install sdk and run qt creator there?06:55
Stskeepsthat's one way, yeah - it's just so we can start working from both ends06:55
Stskeepsie, one that will work on multiple distros and at same time improve the actual sdk experience06:55
Stskeepstimoph: where did you have your qt creator package?06:57
cxl000kulve the openpandora is omap3 with a 1.0.3 core. I have had some success on console but not under X.06:58
timophStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qt-creator&project=home%3Atimoph06:59
Stskeepsthanks06:59
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timophI tried pointing the cross compiler to creator. at least tt recognises it correctly. didn't try it it yet though07:05
Stskeepsyeah, i think there's a slight issue about cross compiling --sysroot's07:06
Stskeepsi need to read up on that07:06
timophok07:06
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liclStskeeps: I’ve recompiled matchbox.But when I run matchbox-window-manager,it say another .so file is missing .It seems matchbox need some other packages.How should I find them from so many packages of X?07:13
licl07:13
Stskeepslicl: ask sonach to teach you how to build images, that can help a lot07:13
liclok07:15
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CwalleHi,all. The mic2 tool reminds me the qemu-arm-static version >=0.13 is  required, but i could not use the apt-get to get that vision. Anyone has any idea?07:28
StskeepsCwalle: get http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK instead07:29
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Stskeepsmorn Alison_Chaiken, got the g9 yet?07:31
Alison_ChaikenI did get the g9 yesterday and will start the instal tomorrow.   Looking forward to it!07:31
Stskeepsalright07:31
CwalleStskeeps: em, ok! let me try......07:32
Alison_ChaikenNo virtualbox for me, I want to see dem blinkin' lights!07:32
Stskeepsstart out with platform SDK at least, that'll give you the best experience07:32
Stskeepslbt: all clear for prerelease07:34
Alison_ChaikenI'll definitely start with the most basic environment.    What I need is to get gpsd working and compile a Qt app for it, all by April 10.07:34
Stskeeps:nod:07:34
Stskeepssounds reasonable07:35
Alison_ChaikenShould not be too bad, as gps runs over USB, and is a fairly vanilla peripheral.07:35
Stskeepsyeah, if it speaks NMEA too07:35
Alison_ChaikenMain question is will gpsd easily compile.   Don't see why it wouldn't . . .07:35
Alison_ChaikenYep, NMEA.    So if gpsd compiles, the rest should be easy . . . famous last words!07:36
Stskeepsthink we have all dependencies in mer for it, except maybe 'xmlto', that should be possible to patch out07:37
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Stskeeps(and you should, 'xmlto' depends on an entire subsystem of packages that only serve to generate documentation..)07:38
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CwalleStskeeps: recently i downloaded the mer release tools with MerDS and try to figure out the organization of Mer. But while deals with such a big folders and files,i don't know how to start.so is that any documents or guide wiki to help already or will be07:40
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StskeepsCwalle: you're right, i ought to start making some documentation on this stuff..07:40
StskeepsCwalle: keep in mind that a linux distribution isn't always easy to understand and sometimes explain too ;)07:41
* timoph has noticed that07:41
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StskeepsCwalle: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/merbase-noglibclibgcc-nobashdeps.png is a simplified version how each component in Mer is connected, on just the base laye07:42
Stskeepsr07:42
Sage_Stskeeps: aws that build time or run time deps?07:43
CwalleStskeeps:yeah, i find that that kind of OS like Mer or MeeGo always contain a lot things07:43
Stskeepsthis is runtime07:43
Stskeepsi think07:44
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Sage_interesting07:46
Sage_well pkgconfig and info dpes are now cut off from that07:46
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Sage_should check how hard gawk and sed dpes are there07:47
Sage_hmmp.. hwdata dpes on module-init-tools IIRC that was replaced with libkmod so we might need update for that package07:49
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Sage_seems to be ok deps.08:02
Stskeepsthis is an old snapshot fwiw08:03
Sage_:nod:08:05
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Sage_would be nice to see from newer image08:05
Sage_I can see many deps that are removed08:05
Sage_some in review but still08:05
Sage_btw, udev should be retriggered in review now that systemd is in08:06
Stskeepswill do08:06
Stskeepssent for review08:08
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StskeepsSage_: udev went through SBC08:17
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Sage_SBC?08:19
Stskeepssingle build checks08:19
Stskeepsie, on it's own08:19
Sage_yes, it goes through that easily as it has only runtime/install time deps to newer systemd08:19
Stskeeps:nod:08:19
Stskeepsit didn't before, i think08:20
Sage_build time it has been ok08:20
Stskeepsoh08:20
Stskeepsinstall time08:20
Stskeepsok08:20
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Sage_ok, I'll move some info/man pages to -docs packages at some point more.08:22
Termanamorning08:22
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* Stskeeps looks at sb2-cross patches08:35
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slainelooks like I missed some fun08:39
Cwallehi, as before i used mic-image-creator and  a ks file like  mer-core-armv7l-base.ks to generate a Mer rootfs, but how can i do this inside paltform_sdk08:41
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StskeepsCwalle: the wiki page says this :)08:41
Stskeeps(i think)08:41
CwalleStskeeps: i am reading the wiki08:41
Stskeepsat least testing by building an image inside it08:41
Stskeepsmorn slaine o/08:42
Cwalleyou mean this command:sudo mic create fs mer-sdk-x86-chroot-latest.ks -o . --pkgmgr=yum --arch i486 --compress-disk-image=tar.bz2?08:42
Cwalleisn't it for building a sdk iamge?08:42
StskeepsCwalle: yes, but test that out first08:43
Stskeepsafterwards you can do mic create fs --arch armv7l instead and your own .ks08:43
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CwalleOoo,it's working now08:45
Cwallei have used the wrong command like mic-iamge-creator08:45
StskeepsCwalle: cool08:46
seanvkHas anyone experimented with building mer using yocto?08:48
seanvkJust curious08:48
seanvkI have an aversion to OBS...shudder08:48
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Stskeepsseanvk: i haven't tried with yocto, but in practice you need to build the .specs08:52
Stskeepsseanvk: is it from SDK/development point of view you dislike OBS, or full distro compilation?08:52
seanvkSDK/development - interaction/upload/tools08:52
Stskeepsalright08:52
Stskeepsso, i can sympatise, let me show what we're brewing08:53
Stskeepsseanvk: so, we're brewing on a Scratchbox2 (not 1) based SDK, where practically, you generate a mer image, you initialize it as a target, and you can interactively install packages and build towards the target as if it was a fast target machine08:54
seanvkSounds great.08:55
Stskeepseven with full cross compilers and fast x86 tools08:55
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seanvkVery nice and something (SBox) many are familiar with08:55
Stskeepshttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Compiling_with_the_SDK_.28FIXME.29 is our development notes, most of this would be abstracted08:55
seanvkthanks for the link08:55
Stskeepswe are also working on qt creator integration, already built things inside the platform SDK with it08:55
Stskeepsso, the future is looking bright, we're just moving all the pieces into place at the moment08:56
seanvkThanks for sharing your progress.  Looking forward to it08:56
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Stskeeps:nod: i'll let you know when we have a alpha version so we can get a first hand impression from a typical developer :)08:57
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Stskeepseocanha: how is the porting going?08:58
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lbtmorning all09:03
Stskeepsmorn lbt09:03
Bostikmorning09:03
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Stskeepslbt: core state should be all good(TM) for a prerelease snapshot09:05
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slainemorn Stskeeps lbt, everyone09:11
slaineI've coffee now so it's officially morning09:11
lbtStskeeps: good - I'll trigger that now09:12
lbtStskeeps: actually, take a look at monster:/home/prjfetcher-mertools/release-tools/releases/0.20120315.0.0.2/builds/ * / cross09:13
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lbtI know you said gcc/binutils - just checking on the cross-glibc and cross-kernel-headers too09:13
lbtbetter to ask now than go "d'oh" later09:13
Stskeepsi'm sure, just gcc and binutils09:13
Stskeepsalso, that is empty09:14
Stskeepserr..09:14
Stskeepswhy is cross/ under "builds"?09:14
Stskeepsnm09:14
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Stskeepsi'm an idiot09:14
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lbtdo I leave the 'alien' package architecture directories such as releases/0.20120315.0.0.2/builds/armv7l/packages/i486/ where they are for now09:21
Stskeepsyes09:21
lbtOK - it just offends my sense of tidiness :D09:22
lbt*tough* is an acceptable response09:22
Stskeepsit's not really tough, just.. irritating09:23
Stskeepswill go away with core-toolchain split09:23
lbtOK - that's a better answer09:23
lbtmmm09:23
lbtthe $TOOLS/dumpbuild doesn't rm -rf09:25
Stskeepsrm -rf what09:25
lbtobs-repos/09:25
Stskeepsit does not, no09:25
lbtyesterday I kept that area around and repeatedly did the transform on it09:26
Stskeepswell, ctrl-c before it rsync anywhere..09:26
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lbtremoving the newly created releades/....0.2 each time09:26
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lbtcheck the script09:26
lbtwe have $SKIPWGET09:26
lbtwhich is just to allow that09:26
Stskeepsok09:26
lbtbut since it's populated and doesn't do a --delete-after we may have spurious files09:27
lbtnot this time probably09:27
lbtbut in the future09:27
* lbt checks what all the wget options mean09:28
lbtand thinks about converting them to longopts09:28
lbtso I think I should rm -rf obs-repos/*$RELEASE09:30
Stskeepsnot automatically, typically you shouldn't reuse release directories?09:31
Stskeepsi can't promise the scripts are re-entrant safe09:31
lbtagreed - but it's really hard to test this stuff - hence we're really adding --dry-run functionality09:31
Stskeepsmmk09:31
lbtfor times like this when we're changing the script to add /cross09:32
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lbtI'll test for existence and abort rather than re-run wget09:32
Stskeepssane09:32
niqtmorn09:33
Stskeepsmorn niqt09:33
lbthi niqt09:33
niqti have just installed active plasma 2 on wetab, but wifi don't run, is mer issue or plasma issue?09:34
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Stskeepsniqt: neither, hardware adaptation09:35
niqtok09:36
niqtstrange beacuse with old meego (meego community) was ok09:37
Stskeepsperhaps it's just disabled by standard instead09:40
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N900_rusStskeeps> Busy?09:56
StskeepsN900_rus: a bit09:57
N900_rusHow do I install the memory nemo n900? Not a flash ...09:58
N900_rusStskeeps>09:58
N900_rusI installed the flash ... Just boot Maemo retired09:59
N900_rusMultiboot help?10:00
N900_rusWhat would flash when loaded vynyat Maemo10:01
StskeepsN900_rus: it's not easy, sorry10:02
N900_rusAnd you have to mount the files for nemo10:02
N900_rusI understand that you are not who does not bestow gifts .. You all are striving for .. Smatret pleasant work ... Just my wishes to your contribution)10:03
N900_rus:)10:04
N900_rusThe main thing that-be developed Architectural project .. This is important)10:04
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StskeepsN900_rus: it's best to install to a microsd card10:05
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N900_rusI have a flash drive with a class 4 ... This is a small (10:06
N900_rusStskeeps>10:06
N900_rusYou can even make a keyboard with the Towns language?10:07
Stskeepstowns?10:07
N900_rusNo. Layout of the virtual keyboard10:08
N900_rusLanguage is a system of Towns .. But he did not fully10:08
N900_rus:)10:10
Stskeepsyou can adjust that manually with setxkbmap10:10
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N900_rusWell .. When installed on the Maemo multiboot .. I will try again to install dumb ... Can not delete boot multiboot10:13
Stskeepsmultiboot and mer/nemo does not work together10:17
N900_rusAt what frequency of CPU work? And you have the volume level when listening to music to lift10:17
Stskeeps600mhz, i think10:19
Stskeepsand we can't go much higher for volume because of risk of damaging people's ears10:19
N900_rusmultiboot and mer / nemo does not work together * - no .. Just when installed multiboot then a flasher will install nemo .. Then, when taking out a stick ... Will be loaded multoboot?10:20
Stskeepsuse uboot-pr13, that's what we recommend10:21
N900_rusNo no)))) music when I was a rank .. It is quiet10:22
N900_rusGood move ... It is necessary to do so .. But without the flash and May will be run?10:23
Stskeepssorry, i don't understand10:24
N900_rusIt is clear ... I am also from Belarus) I also do not understand English))10:25
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N900_rusTranslator translates some bad deals in the sense of10:27
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N900_rusHow to make your files shared? Ie Maemo - nemo10:40
andre__what do you mean by sharing exactly?10:45
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N900_rusWhen zahodish in files ... There is no file - /home/user/MyDocs10:47
N900_rusmount /dev/mmcblk0 /nemo10:48
N900_rus?10:48
andre__zahodish = заходишь? = "you go to" in English?10:54
N900_rusmm10:56
N900_rusNemo does not see the files - / home / user / MyDocs10:57
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N900_rus?11:23
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lbtN900_rus: some of your questions are probably better answered in #nemomobile11:35
lbtif I knew the answer I'd tell you :)11:35
N900_rusThank you11:36
lbtStskeeps: can you check that an rsync is OK?11:36
lbtI've left the i586/cross in the script in case we build them11:37
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Stskeepslbt: i don't see a new version on releases.merproject.org11:37
lbtno, you said to stop it before the rsync....11:38
Stskeepslbt: well, because it looked like you were going to rsync a re-entered release dir11:38
Stskeepsi'll take a look11:38
lbtOK ... not  prob, that's an easy step11:39
Stskeepslooks ok11:42
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* sledges finally found corresponding source for my only working kernel for i.MX53 ! and took another day to figure out that it needs to be compiled with the same gcc version, otherwise it doesn't boot........11:46
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sledgeshello everyone11:47
Stskeepssledges: you might need -mno-unaligned-access11:47
Stskeepspatch11:47
Stskeepsat least if you use linaro toolchain or mer toolchain11:47
sledgeswhy? i have it working now built from sources11:47
sledgesim using ubuntu one11:47
Stskeepswhat did it break with before?11:47
sledgesthe one which the working image was compiled with11:47
sledgesstops immediately after uncompressing kernel booting linux...11:48
Stskeepsyes, what toolchains did it break with?11:48
Stskeeps:P11:48
sledges:)11:48
sledgeslinaro11:48
sledgesno11:48
sledgessorry11:48
sledgessame ubuntu11:48
Stskeepsis equal to the linaro one, usually11:48
sledges4.6.2 breaks11:48
Stskeepsyou need a patch, sec11:48
sledges4.6.1 works11:48
sledges^11:48
sledgesgave me such a headache over last days.....11:49
sledgestried ~5 different kernels to build11:49
Stskeepshttps://build.pub.meego.com/package/view_file?file=000-kcflag-mno-unaligned-access.patch&package=kernel-adaptation-n900&project=CE%3AAdaptation%3AN900&rev=9cdc38022e14fe78051a2e799587a37511:49
Stskeepsyou need that patch to compile with linaro and mer toolchain (same thing-ish)11:49
sledgesinvolving ltib(!) :D which is apparently bollocks (even when claims to be an official supported kernel from freescale, does not support µSD as boot device and SATA disk at all)11:50
sledgesthis patch will be useful when I will be integrating it with Mer OBS11:50
Stskeepsyes11:50
N900_rusoooO11:50
N900_rus)))11:50
Stskeepsit has the same symptoms11:50
sledgesright, let me just try then11:50
sledgeswhat has the same symptoms? (sorry cross-topiccing :))11:51
Stskeepssledges: if you compile a kernel without this patch with linaro toolchain, it will stall at booting linu11:51
Stskeepsx11:51
sledgesok11:52
sledgeswonder why ubuntu gcc4.6.1 worked then (!?)11:52
Stskeepsbecause the bug was introduced in 4.6.211:52
Stskeepss/bug/featre11:53
* sledges shouts11:53
Stskeepsfeature11:53
sledges:D11:53
sledgesany at least slightly inferior feature is indistinguishable from a bug11:53
sledges...11:53
sledgesStskeeps, where could i find evtest in Mer's repos?11:53
sledgesprivet N900_rus :)11:54
Stskeepsdon't think we have it11:54
N900_rusпривет )11:54
sledgesok then I'll build it from sources11:54
N900_russledges>11:54
sledgesприятно познакомится :)11:55
N900_rusвзаимно )11:56
N900_rusвы через переводчик?)))11:57
lbtsledges: Stskeeps: de we want something other than mer-core for diagnostics like evtest (and the mer-gfx-tests, powertop)11:57
lbtyay ... released!11:58
lbtOK, I need to go help out with the building stuff ... bbiab11:58
sledgesнет, я со свойми ошыбками :))11:58
Stskeepsplease keep it english in here..11:59
Stskeepslbt: mer tools11:59
sledgessorry, won't go beyond there :)11:59
N900_rus<sledges> дак чего вы раньше молчали?))))11:59
N900_russorry)))11:59
sledgesthat's why, N900_rus :)12:00
sledgesand I did not see your nick before &)12:00
N900_rus:)12:01
N900_rusхех)12:03
N900_rusда.. надо себе ник придумать)12:03
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N900_rushttp://releases.merproject.org/releases/0.20120315.0.0.2/builds/   yes))12:06
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sledgesStskeeps, where can I find mer-gfx-tests project on MeeGo OBS if it's there?12:09
Stskeepssledges: it's in a mer release, just install it12:09
sledgesi need to ref it's .yaml for my evtest..12:09
sledgesthought'd be the closest12:10
N900_rus)12:10
Stskeepssledges: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/mer-gfx-tests.git;a=tree12:10
sledgesbrilliant, thanks!12:10
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sledgesStskeeps, there's something else wrong after I patched the Makefile, probably a messed up toolchain (i did make clean, or should it be mrproper ?) i'll sort the toolchain and try again12:30
sledgesStskeeps, could you please tell me why doesn't it start building? https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=evtest&project=home%3Asledge%3AMer%3ATools12:33
Stskeepssledges: topic12:34
sledgesor anyone else who understand OBS stuff ^ thanks12:34
Stskeepshint: "Building against Mer"12:34
sledgeshm the x11o-xorg-drv-imx worked fine, i'll seek for more clues between those12:34
Stskeepsyour meta is messed up12:35
sledgesspecify said I have no Makefile (but Makefile.am is there). Should I run ./configure on HOST ? hope it will produce correct binding for cross-compiling later..12:41
Stskeepsignore the Makefile thing12:42
* sledges found the problem: forgot to add the Architecture bit :)12:49
Stskeepswas waiting for you to find out ;)12:50
sledgesso I could remember for longer :))12:51
sledgesStskeeps, do you think I could follow this for i.MX53 http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Compiling_with_the_SDK_.28FIXME.29 or I could at least start adapting it ?12:52
Stskeepssledges: you should follow lbt's kernel guide instead12:53
sledgeskernel guide? but for now I'm not trying to incorporate one yet, or is the building aspect similar?12:53
Stskeepssledges: oh you mean for building12:54
sledgesyea, same evtest for example12:54
Stskeepssledges: it's probably easier to do quick packaging and wait a bit while we sort it out12:54
sledgesi'm getting make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop. on OBS, so though I could just move to Platform_SDK sb2 gcc evtest.c instead ;)12:55
sledgess/though/thought;12:55
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Stskeepssledges: you can just run %configure in the .spc file12:57
sledgesevtest src has autogen.sh as a  first stage configurator, which in turn calls autoreconf (don't have those tools even on my host..)12:58
Stskeeps%reconfigure12:58
Stskeepsor just run autogen.sh before %configure12:59
sledgesok12:59
sledgeswill try that, thanks for the magic words :)12:59
sledgesworked13:03
N900_rusэх13:03
sledgesConfigure: autogen in .yaml did the whole job ;)13:04
Stskeepshehe13:05
N900_rus)))13:05
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blackpearlis anyone out there ?13:41
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sledgesit appears13:42
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lbtblackpearl: many busy people are around :)13:49
bigbluehatlbt: am not13:50
bigbluehat:)13:50
lbtblackpearl: many busy people are around ... and then we also have bigbluehat... :)13:50
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timophevening17:07
timophMerBot: botsnack17:07
MerBottimoph: Error: "botsnack" is not a valid command.17:07
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lbtevening ... and "ouch"18:30
lbtshifted 6 tons of soil today18:30
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Stskeepssounds hard18:34
lbtyeah - it was. We have a fairly steep slope to get up too18:34
lbt2 tons more tomorrow morning ... then a huge number of paving slabs in the afternoon18:35
lbtat least I'm getting fitter18:35
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timophlbt: cobs stuck or just a very long build queue?19:15
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Alison_ChaikenAnyone know a USB hub with right connectors for Archos tablet?   I want to cry: no way to attach keyboard means no way to get started with Mer install.19:51
Alison_ChaikenI guess I will have to take apart an existing hub and solder new connectors to it, or maybe make a hub on a breadboard.19:57
wmaronenot at all. it's just a huge, huge pain19:59
wmaroneat least, if it's anything like the nook color >.>19:59
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StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: don't you just need a OTG cable?20:04
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Stskeepsthough i'm not a g9 expert20:05
Stskeeps(and why would you need a keyboard?)20:08
Stskeepsalbeit it helps20:08
Alison_ChaikenI need a microUSB to miniUSB cable.   Is that OTG?20:09
Stskeepshttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Micro-USB-Host-Mode-Cable-OTG-Cable-Archos-G9-/360422361744 kind of thing you probably nee20:09
Alison_ChaikenWhy would I need a keyboard?   How will I install Mer, using a soft keyboard at the console?20:10
Stskeepsd20:10
Stskeepsusually we just flash images, we don't really have installers :)20:10
Stskeepsexcept on x8620:10
Alison_ChaikenPrecisely, Stskeeps.   The last time I had this problem, I bought a Gumstix daughter card and used that, are they are sold in Palo Alto nearby!20:11
Stskeepslooks like the g9 has microsd too20:12
Alison_ChaikenI'd like to set up the system with Mer-Android-MeeGo-Tizen but we'll see how possible that is.20:12
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Stskeepswell, first step is to figure out how to boot your own rootfs from some source and then your own kernel20:21
Alison_ChaikenI have USB OTG cables left over from Gumstix, but they are mini-A to mini-B.   Oh well!20:23
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Alison_ChaikenStskeeps, you're saying I should boot from USB first?   Probably is I have no way to repartition the disk or boot from external media until I get that darned adapter cable.20:31
Alison_ChaikenCan't believe that there's more than one kind of cable labelled "USB OTG".    I'd like to hurt somebody.20:32
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StskeepsAlison_Chaiken: well, i'd advise you to look at google searches for archos gen9 SDE i guess, it seems entirely plausible to boot your own rolled stuff20:34
Stskeepssee http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1479913 as an example20:34
Alison_ChaikenThanks Stskeeps, dm8tbr and av500 and I think vgrade all already have Mer going on G9.20:35
Stskeeps:nod:20:36
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lbtAlison_Chaiken: when someone says they have "X working on a device" I consider it incomplete until someone else can follow their docs on how to do it :)20:54
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Alison_Chaikenlbt, concur.    I was about to do it, but I have to order the damned cable.21:06
Alison_ChaikenI can always run Tizen on it, too, right?  (Bwahaha.)21:06
Alison_ChaikenI'd like to set it up Tizen-Mer-MeeGo and run the same IVI apps in each as a demo.21:07
Alison_ChaikenMaybe I'll do Tizen-Mer-UbuntuIVI insteda.21:07
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lbtAlison_Chaiken: what is this mythical Tizen of which you speak? Has the beast been sighted in the wildes?21:21
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Alison_ChaikenNot in the wild, lbt, just in an emulator.21:30
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compiledithi. for the first time a recent kernel compiled for n900. i'm happy about that, because i'm no developer and if it has errors while compiling i couldn't fix it. also no friends and that's why I have you have to read this text :-D21:44
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compileditif you are interested in the config, you can find it here: http://pastebin.com/SZKkrpG3 it's pretty much based on meego config but I also checked some things that "sound" good and i had no idea what i was doing.21:47
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compileditif you are a kernel developer you might find it funny. on the other hand, if you are not and couldn't get a recent kernel for n900 to compile you might as well give it a try.21:49
compiledit..... of course....  it's untested! i was just so happy it finished, i had to tell someone. prepare for kernelpanic.... buuut i'm (baseless) confident it will work.21:51
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jeronimohi guys, I wonder is there a "plain linux" for N95021:56
jeronimoI mean without x21:56
jeronimoqt and so on21:56
wmaronemaybe you could make one with a subset of mer...21:59
jeronimoyea I was guessing so :)22:02
jeronimowant to build a pocket server :)22:03
jeronimono ui needed22:03
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jeronimoi wondered if i just could kill all ui stuff on n95022:05
jeronimoand keep the system22:05
jeronimohowever it would be cooler to do it right way ;)22:06
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compileditnothing is as cool as my compiled and untested kernel ;-)22:14
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lbtNSA spec for secure android : http://www.nsa.gov/ia/_files/Mobility_Capability_Pkg_%28Version_1.1U%29.pdf22:46
lbt"Standard voice phone calls, with the exception of emergency 911 calls, shall not be allowed"22:47
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jeronimohi lbt, is there a workin nemo image for n950?23:04
lbtyes :)23:06
jeronimoi tried latest, it keeps rebooting23:06
jeronimo:(23:06
jeronimo"latest =23:07
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lbtnb #nemomobile is the place to discuss23:07
jeronimonemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-0.20120209.1.NEMO.2012-03-01.2.tar.bz223:07
lbthttp://repository.maemo.org/meego/Nemo/23:08
lbttry going back a release23:09
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Alison_ChaikenHere goes what must be an FAQ: I want to import a git repo into an OBS project.23:14
Alison_ChaikenI take it that the best way is a shell script using CLI?23:14
lbthmm23:15
lbtI'm *really* interested in this Alison_Chaiken23:15
lbttake a look at this repo http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-tools/osc.git;a=summary23:15
Alison_Chaikenlbt, I was looking here:23:16
Alison_Chaikenhttp://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Mer_OBS_Build23:16
Alison_ChaikenI'll check yours.23:16
lbt*nod*23:16
lbtmine is a WIP and PoC23:16
lbtlook at the bottom of that repo23:16
lbtand look at the mer-pkg tree23:16
lbtthe look at the mer-master tree23:17
lbtAlison_Chaiken: also look at : http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation_Guide/Step_by_step#Make_a_kernel_package23:19
lbtwhat that does is talk about using a git tree with a base sha1 to create a tarball23:19
lbtthen use a little bit of shell to go from that sha1 (which typically represents "upstream")23:20
Alison_ChaikenPerfect!   Thank you.   That will save me some time.23:20
Alison_ChaikenWhy read opensuse documentation if you can ask on Mer IRC?23:20
lbtto a collection of patches that can be put in specify23:20
lbt:D23:20
lbtand hopefully I'll get round to making this the native OBS storage format one year23:21
lbthttp://pastie.org/354447723:21
Alison_ChaikenYeah, I'm long in bash scripts.    Thanks, much better than starting from cloned repo and trying to rsync.23:21
lbtand some chit-chat http://pastie.org/354449323:21
lbt(I was sharing progress with phaeron)23:22
lbtanyhow... lots to dig around in - let me know if you have any thoughts on this generally.23:22
lbttypically the problem is managing a complex patchset on top of a moving upstream23:23
lbtanyhow ... bed for me now.... o/23:23
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