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| dcthang | morning | 03:36 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: how can I remove one of my submits from gerrit? | 05:22 |
| Sage | is there any way for that? | 05:22 |
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| iekku | morning | 06:09 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: click abandon change | 06:11 |
| Sage | Where is taht? :D | 06:18 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: maybe only you can see it? | 06:18 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 06:27 |
| Stskeeps | next to diff all-side-by-side in the patch set? | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | screenshot me your view? | 06:31 |
| Sage | ah | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | abandon means you give up completely, even uploading a new patchset | 06:34 |
| Sage | ok | 06:34 |
| Stskeeps | one positive thing about the OBS upgrade | 06:37 |
| Stskeeps | build logs in DBC statements now show | 06:37 |
| Sage | \o/ | 06:40 |
| * Sage was really waiting for that | 06:40 | |
| Sage | I'm checking the ca-certificates package again | 06:41 |
| Sage | dropping the java stuff out from latest fedora so it shoudl build ok. | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 06:43 |
| Sage | we probabl ydon't need /etc/pki/java anyway in mer atm. | 06:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:43 |
| Sage | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=ca-certificates&project=home%3Asage%3AMer%3AMW%3AShared \o/ | 06:43 |
| Sage | might be the package we want in mer after that is tested | 06:43 |
| Sage | same as in fedora but without the java stuff | 06:44 |
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| iekku | vgrade, congrats | 07:08 |
| iekku | i want a new job also :/ | 07:08 |
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| kyb3R | iekku: still at bug related work? | 07:08 |
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| * timoph starts a new job on thursday | 07:08 | |
| iekku | kyb3R, yes please | 07:08 |
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| iekku | kyb3R, or qa | 07:08 |
| kyb3R | :) | 07:08 |
| Stskeeps | kyb3R: i just had a mental picture of iekku with a flamethrower and alien bugs running away.. | 07:09 |
| kyb3R | I always mix the terminology :) | 07:13 |
| timoph | :D | 07:13 |
| timoph | Stskeeps: you pinged the other day? | 07:13 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, that would be SO cool! :D | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: yes, i was wondering about something related to qa tools and realized it was all documented :P | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | timoph: which is erm, pretty unusual in OSS | 07:13 |
| timoph | :) | 07:13 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, can I wear tank girl type of clothing :P | 07:13 |
| Stskeeps | iekku: i'm not allowed to imagine girls in tank girl clothing, sorry, married ;) | 07:13 |
| iekku | hahaha | 07:13 |
| iekku | started to laugh here and today i'm 2 office | 07:13 |
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| timoph | *started* | 07:13 |
| kyb3R | Stskeeps: :) | 07:16 |
| kyb3R | this is some basics | 07:16 |
| * w00t yawns | 07:16 | |
| w00t | moin all | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | moi | 07:16 |
| timoph | kyb3R: at NF today? | 07:17 |
| kyb3R | timoph: at the moment and for the rest of the day | 07:17 |
| timoph | I think I'll head there to kill time | 07:17 |
| kyb3R | lunch time around noon :) | 07:18 |
| timoph | :) | 07:18 |
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| timoph | hmmh. googling for mer on n810 finds a bit old news :) | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 07:25 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N8x0 | 07:26 |
| timoph | thanks | 07:26 |
| Stskeeps | we're not terribly high in google results just yet | 07:26 |
| timoph | also found a finnish review of n810 that says it's the travellers dream device while searching | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | it is still, somewhat | 07:28 |
| timoph | yep | 07:29 |
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| timoph | I was thinking of doing a n8x0 tetris so that one device == one block | 07:31 |
| timoph | dunno if I can find enough n8x0s though | 07:32 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: was there a known reason why armv7l repository is a bit slower than others? | 07:57 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: in obs it seems to take minutes it to recalculate state and others are fine in 10s or so | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | armv7el has three different ports in it | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | while i486/i586 only has two | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | so it will take more load than those | 07:59 |
| Sage | but there is still only one arch in repository | 08:01 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, but scheduler works linearly, so some things may be queued up elsewhere | 08:03 |
| Sage | I'm still not convinced as it is always the armv7l repo and not arvm7hl or armv6l | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 08:05 |
| Stskeeps | the other side of it is that we can switch to solvstate, which is faster | 08:05 |
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| elfio | hello there | 08:37 |
| Stskeeps | hey :) so what brings you here? | 08:38 |
| elfio | hi! | 08:39 |
| elfio | i would like know something else about mer | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | ask away :) | 08:39 |
| elfio | I didn't found any news about him | 08:40 |
| elfio | and I would like to know the state of develop or something | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, our homepage is a bit lackluster, hang on | 08:40 |
| elfio | I want mer in my phone :p | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/ | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Main_Page | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/News | 08:41 |
| Stskeeps | that should be a good start | 08:41 |
| elfio | I knew about the wiki | 08:41 |
| elfio | but not about the mail list | 08:42 |
| elfio | :p | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: it's a bit hidden away | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://review.merproject.org/ , All->Merged is also quite nice to show progress | 08:42 |
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| Stskeeps | remember Mer's just a core, for more shiny things like UIs, you'd follow plasma active, Nemo, etc | 08:43 |
| elfio | have you got a twitter or identi.ca account or something like that? | 08:43 |
| elfio | ah | 08:43 |
| elfio | ok | 08:43 |
| Stskeeps | nah.. but follow twitter.com/stskeeps and twitter.com/vgrade and other people | 08:44 |
| elfio | nice! | 08:44 |
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| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQLIjcYAMU is one of my favourite videos as of late | 08:46 |
| elfio | and what about tizen? | 08:46 |
| elfio | do you share the core with them? | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | they haven't published any code yet, architecture | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | so it's a bit hard to tell if we are | 08:46 |
| Stskeeps | but honestly, if we all work together in upstream projects like connman, ofono, gcc, glibc.. then we do share a lot | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | we're hoping to eventually have the tizen app story (html5+WAC) also supported in mer, but with a qt runtime | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | so, are you a user or a hacker? | 08:49 |
| elfio | i wish have a linux mobile one day... | 08:49 |
| elfio | :) | 08:49 |
| elfio | the videos looks good | 08:50 |
| elfio | with future | 08:50 |
| elfio | my english is not very good :p | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | it's fine, i've seen worse | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | just remember mer isn't only handsets, we hope to see people do everything from tablets to interactive busstops with it | 08:55 |
| elfio | it would be awesome | 08:55 |
| elfio | i hate nokia a bit | 08:56 |
| elfio | for left out meego | 08:56 |
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| Stskeeps | meego had it's own share of problems, but at least it made us able to have a solid base to build Mer on | 08:56 |
| elfio | the N9 was wonderful... haha | 08:57 |
| elfio | where do you test the core? | 08:58 |
| elfio | n900? | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of different places | 08:58 |
| elfio | or a virtual machine | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | we don't have hardware adaptations and UIs in the mer core, so we let people who actually are customers of the core help test things | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | so we signal when something needs to be tested, and they'll feed back | 08:58 |
| Stskeeps | so we test on N900, N950, N9, beagleboard, exopc, ideapad, etc | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | tegra2 tablets, raspberry pi ... | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | etc | 08:59 |
| elfio | I admire you and your work | 09:00 |
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| elfio | I hope the core grow up and become a good core | 09:00 |
| elfio | to use everywhere | 09:00 |
| elfio | :) | 09:00 |
| elfio | I have to go | 09:01 |
| elfio | Good luck! | 09:01 |
| elfio | :) | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | see you | 09:01 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:15 |
| jukkaeklund | hi | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt, jukka | 09:16 |
| jukkaeklund | hiho | 09:16 |
| iekku | he is alive! | 09:18 |
| * slaine yawns and stretches | 09:18 | |
| slaine | man I need a coffee | 09:19 |
| iekku | :D | 09:19 |
| slaine | time to kick off a sync of fakeobs | 09:20 |
| jukkaeklund | who is alive, not me.. | 09:20 |
| slaine | hmmm, did the fakeobs urls change while I was off ? | 09:21 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: yeah, we've been moving around a bit and putting things in their final place | 09:22 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: git remote add gerrit http://review.merproject.org/p/mer/release-tools | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | git pull gerrit master | 09:23 |
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| timoph | Stskeeps: about the tools docs. Might make sense to move things related to them to somewhere else from meego wiki | 09:23 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:24 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: cheers, only changes seem to be to createrelease.sh | 09:24 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: hmm, nothing in Makefile with releases.merproject.org etc? | 09:25 |
| slaine | that was based on the git pull output | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | just verify monster.tspre.org isn't mentioned anywhere ;) | 09:25 |
| slaine | k | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | might have to re-clone Core | 09:26 |
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| slaine | running make atm | 09:26 |
| * lbt keeps an eye out for alterego.... | 09:27 | |
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| Sage | hmmp | 09:31 |
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| mgrover_ | anybody ever tried nemo on the N9? | 09:59 |
| jukkaeklund | yes | 09:59 |
| jukkaeklund | works great | 09:59 |
| mgrover_ | great thank you | 10:01 |
| mgrover_ | ill be trying that soon if i win this bid | 10:01 |
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| Stskeeps | a nice junior job: https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15 | 10:37 |
| Stskeeps | (Bug 15 - Switch from libjpeg to libjpeg-turbo) | 10:37 |
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| slaine | think I'm gonna end up a coffee fiend today | 10:52 |
| * slaine goes and gets another one | 10:53 | |
| w00t | Stskeeps: https://github.com/special/qjpeg-turbo is also worth investigation | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 10:54 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: Am I counted as junior? | 10:57 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: dunno, if you have spare time ;) | 10:57 |
| jukkaeklund | :) | 10:58 |
| dcthang | Maybe senior can't solve a junior's problem :P | 10:59 |
| * Sage ponders if he should upgrade from f15->f16 or just reinstall the f16. | 10:59 | |
| * Sage is hopin that the USB behaviour would improve with the update. | 11:00 | |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: could you op merbot in #mer-meeting ? | 11:10 |
| lbt | trying... /op MerBot #mer-meeting | 11:10 |
| lbt | ? | 11:10 |
| Stskeeps | msg chanserv op | 11:11 |
| Stskeeps | ANNOUNCE: Nemo steering group meeting in #mer-meeting now (timezones suck) | 11:13 |
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| Jucato | (oh didn't know there was a steering group already. nice one!) | 11:50 |
| jukkaeklund | :) | 11:51 |
| jukkaeklund | for nemo, yes | 11:51 |
| Jucato | oh right right ... I needs moar coffee to read properly >.< | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | we should kickstart mer governance soon though | 11:52 |
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| Sage | phaeron: http://pastie.org/2938304 | 12:16 |
| Sage | phaeron: ah, http:// missing ;) | 12:17 |
| Sage | eh | 12:18 |
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| Sage | phaeron: fixed bootstrap ;) | 12:18 |
| phaeron | lol | 12:19 |
| Sage | phaeron: there are couple of things missing in mer core but enabling boostrap building is just a oneliner | 12:19 |
| phaeron | Sage: ok we have a mic build in the MINT repos. do an SR towards that and then I'll upgrade the one on the imager vm | 12:20 |
| phaeron | then we can test it later | 12:20 |
| Sage | https://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/image-creator/blobs/master/mic/utils/bootstrap.py#line508 | 12:20 |
| Sage | that line prevents the bootstrap being created | 12:20 |
| Sage | however, these packages might be a problem later on creating images | 12:21 |
| Sage | phaeron: http://pastie.org/2938325 | 12:21 |
| phaeron | Sage: wasn't there a workaround where it linked the host mic2 into the bootstrap ? | 12:21 |
| Sage | phaeron: that is still used, but is still wants to install the mic from the repo as well ;) | 12:22 |
| phaeron | Sage: can we maybe force non bootstrap mode | 12:22 |
| phaeron | ah arm | 12:22 |
| Sage | yes, arm we can't :) | 12:23 |
| phaeron | yeah I remembered | 12:23 |
| Sage | however, if you check those packages that in the last pastie | 12:23 |
| Sage | the ones missing are mainly used on x85 | 12:23 |
| Sage | x86 | 12:23 |
| Sage | like, syslinux, btrfs, genisoimage etc. | 12:23 |
| phaeron | Sage: only wget makes sense | 12:24 |
| Sage | phaeron: urlgrapper? | 12:24 |
| phaeron | wasn't there some hardcoded usage ? or was that fixed ? | 12:24 |
| phaeron | python-zypp ? | 12:25 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/2938342 | 12:25 |
| Sage | :P | 12:25 |
| phaeron | use yum ? | 12:25 |
| Sage | well then yum package should get that dep | 12:25 |
| Sage | we should not drag it explicitly | 12:25 |
| Sage | but need to test that a bit more and check if any of those are actually needed | 12:26 |
| phaeron | python-zypp is used to to talk to zypper , but you use yum right ? | 12:26 |
| Sage | yes, well... we should use zypp but there are problems thus using yum :/ | 12:27 |
| phaeron | last I checked python-zypp has problems with groups and my question on the mailing list was never answered | 12:28 |
| Sage | python-zypp has many problems :/ | 12:28 |
| Sage | I got some mail of one maintainer or something saying that it was being merged to some other package or something | 12:28 |
| phaeron | then yum it is for now | 12:30 |
| Sage | libzypp-binding = python-zypp? | 12:30 |
| phaeron | yeah src and bin | 12:31 |
| phaeron | https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries?package=libzypp-bindings&project=openSUSE%3A11.4&repository=standard | 12:31 |
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| Stskeeps | we should probably use -binding instead then | 12:33 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: python-zypp and the libzypp-bindings are the same things from the looks of it. | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:35 |
| Sage | we should just update the packages | 12:36 |
| Sage | phaeron: what is a bit odd is that mic boostrap doesn't install yum to the bootstrap. | 12:42 |
| Sage | phaeron: or, hmm.. might be a mic2 dep and thus it is not there | 12:42 |
| Sage | yup, mic2 depends on yum | 12:48 |
| Sage | and many other things | 12:48 |
| Sage | Name: mic | 12:49 |
| Sage | Summary: image creator for Linux distributions | 12:49 |
| Sage | :D | 12:49 |
| Sage | vs | 12:50 |
| Sage | Name: mic2 | 12:50 |
| Sage | Summary: Tools for building images for MeeGo | 12:50 |
| phaeron | I think we should look into kiwi :D | 12:51 |
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| Sage | hmmp... they have really cleaned it up quite a bit | 12:54 |
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| phaeron | lbt: about what ? | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: looks like agilebrowser guy is updating the documentation | 15:32 |
| lbt | yeah - this morning | 15:34 |
| Stskeeps | i should really do a run of agilebrowser on mer at some point.. | 15:34 |
| lbt | I kinda downgraded the priortity given there's not even a redistribution license | 15:35 |
| lbt | and I'm really dubious about "hey, download and run this exe from a wiki" | 15:36 |
| lbt | "as root" | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | i don't think it's an exe, it's a jar, and i don't think it requires root | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, same evil ;) | 15:36 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.symlab.org/wiki/index.php/AgileBrowser | 15:37 |
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| lbt | yeah - it could have been a different one - I installed AB and I think there was another tool that I skipped | 15:38 |
| lbt | "longer-term plan is to contribute the code as a proper Foundation tool package" ... I forget whether Symbian is OSS or not nowadays | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | it's well, dead | 15:39 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:39 |
| * Stskeeps checks something | 15:40 | |
| lbt | so's meego :) | 15:40 |
| lbt | he seems to be a bit of a necropheliac when it comes to OSes | 15:40 |
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| Stskeeps | anyway.. what other alternatives do we have? | 15:42 |
| lbt | http://thejit.org/ | 15:42 |
| lbt | which approximates to "nothing" | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | okay, anything involving qt.. | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if we could simply export this into qt | 15:44 |
| Stskeeps | er, qml | 15:44 |
| lbt | I worry that it's more shine than substance | 15:45 |
| Stskeeps | well, think about it.. dependancy graph exported into qml | 15:47 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, he's on twitter | 15:49 |
| * Stskeeps sends a mesage | 15:49 | |
| lbt | yep - you'd get the visual of it but not much interogation | 15:54 |
| Stskeeps | true | 15:55 |
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| ajit | hi | 16:05 |
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| lbt | doing a mount --bind into the wrong place in an obs build hurts | 16:36 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | don't say it was on CI | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:37 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: http://pastie.org/pastes/2939429/text | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | little fuzzy on 'prerelease' as you already see that in proposed changes | 16:41 |
| lbt | nah .. here | 16:41 |
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| lbt | "update the Core" ?? | 16:43 |
| Stskeeps | okay, as in, update packages.xml | 16:43 |
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| Stskeeps | core == mer/project-core | 16:44 |
| lbt | what OBS projects exist here | 16:44 |
| lbt | and how do they relate to ongoing builds by BOSS in CI | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | right, perhaps it'd be good to scheme that out better | 16:44 |
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| lbt | a release is a release from the Mer Release System - ie a published OBS repo with corresponding sha1s from git for pkgs | 16:45 |
| lbt | set of published repos | 16:45 |
| Stskeeps | right, definitions could be good | 16:46 |
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| lbt | Pickup is essentially a snapshot then? | 16:48 |
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| Stskeeps | so, in core i have a 'pickupchanges' thing in Makefile .. what it does is that it checks what is latest commit in each of the packages (ie, merged changes) and updates the sha in packages.xml to correspond to the new commit | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | effectively bringing the package to a new version | 16:50 |
| Bostik | that approach sounds... familiar | 16:51 |
| lbt | why the rebuild ? | 16:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, rebuild or localdep, either one, but the idea is to make sure we're not entering crap into master | 16:54 |
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| lbt | didn't BOSS do that already ? | 16:54 |
| lbt | on a per-package commit-by-commit basis | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but there can be evil interactions | 16:55 |
| Stskeeps | two independent changes can conflict, so we need to stop them there | 16:55 |
| lbt | just wondering why we don't just pause BOSS, wait for quiet, validate clean and cp -a | 16:55 |
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| lbt | and is the answer to improve the acceptance process rather than work around it in the release? | 16:56 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, took a walk and you're right, we need a more efficient procedure | 17:11 |
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| lbt | I will add.... (and not just to be difficult!) .... what happens when a vendor needs a fix? ie they hit something in pre-release that impacts release. | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:29 |
| lbt | it suggests to me that a pickup is nominally a branch point | 17:29 |
| lbt | 'master' carries on but somehow we need to cherry pick (or exclude) from master | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | so, let's say we have a OBS repo that corresponds always to master, and one that is sketch area | 17:31 |
| lbt | sketch.... == release-candidate? | 17:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, think trunk:testing | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | a pickup of changes | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | ie, can we move this into master | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | and then a release is some tag eventually of master | 17:33 |
| lbt | I think releases would logically come from a mini-stabilishing-branch | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 17:34 |
| lbt | well | 17:34 |
| lbt | I think that's what your pastie describes | 17:34 |
| lbt | "Release consists of the prerelease with eventual fixes and pulled out changes" | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:35 |
| lbt | which is sane | 17:35 |
| lbt | it even permits continuation of an arbitrary 'release' as a stable release | 17:35 |
| lbt | if someone wants to | 17:35 |
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| * Stskeeps ponders how to model that sanely | 18:00 | |
| lbt | a text file containing sha1s ? many files? a git submodule tree | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | one of my ideas is that we somehow can provide ability to +1 / -1 for vendors in gerrit, but that might be difficult | 18:20 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah, something's behaving really weird in VM's | 18:36 |
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| lbt | horrid isn't it | 18:36 |
| lbt | seems to be related to openvpn load - but it's in the VM I think as even ssh tunnels exhibit it | 18:37 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, there was a pdf of OBS devel process created for training at nokia, I can't find it. | 18:37 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, any idea where it is, I seem to recall on wiki | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | vgrade: i think we have two.. | 18:37 |
| Stskeeps | i know of a set lbt and co has done, another was the training material we brought CE people up to speed with | 18:38 |
| vgrade | the second one I was looking for | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:38 |
| vgrade | it was a pdf | 18:38 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/images/Meegokickoff.pdf ? | 18:39 |
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| Stskeeps | http://en.opensuse.org/images/d/df/Obs-cheat-sheet.pdf also looks useful | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | (thanks javier) | 18:41 |
| vgrade | Stskeeps, thats the one, thanks. Its for a Plasma dev who was asking | 18:41 |
| javier | yw :) | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: the training material for OBS classes, was that ever public? | 18:42 |
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| lbt | it was intended to be - you'd have to ask phaeron now | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:42 |
| phaeron | no it isn't, but it could be opened if it is still useful / not outdate | 18:42 |
| phaeron | *d | 18:42 |
| Stskeeps | mm, i could take a look at some point i guess to assess that | 18:44 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: did you look into imager ? any comments ? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: i haven't gotten that far just yet sadly, stuck on release process right now :) | 18:45 |
| phaeron | ok | 18:45 |
| lbt | I was going to suggest using some of Stefan's HW for an IMG deployment | 18:45 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, a likely target | 18:46 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: my intent is basically to wire it into the gerrit process | 18:47 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the one running in BOSS | 18:47 |
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| phaeron | sounds cool | 18:48 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: it's not possible to do a obs bs_admin --clone-repository through OBS API is it? | 18:49 |
| lbt | not afaik | 18:49 |
| lbt | ssh | 18:49 |
| phaeron | or wrap it in a participant | 18:50 |
| phaeron | mm | 18:51 |
| phaeron | obs_admin participant | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | so, maybe you can help brainstorm: the description of Mer's Core:ARCH OBS projects are in one git tree. Two types of changes usually go in: adjustments to packages.xml and changes to prjconf(s) | 18:51 |
| phaeron | but would need some auth | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | we need to have a weekly release process going | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | and pre-releases and fixing some things/pulling out some changes | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | changes are typically changing which SHA1/commit a package consists of, in a packages.xml | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | ideally we need to be able to gather input from the vendor community on if a prerelease is good or bad | 18:53 |
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| phaeron | do you really expect such fast feedback from vendors ? | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | i'm hoping to make tools to give preliminary results | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | ie, deltas in failures, etc | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind there's no 'internal' projects in mer like UIs or hardware adaptations | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | so there's two levels of subscription | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | right away, or after 48 hours if the first tiers didn't vote it down | 19:05 |
| phaeron | using bugzilla for example you can count bugs against a certain pre-release | 19:06 |
| phaeron | or are you thinking more lightweight like vote count | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | generally just to gain feedback before pressing the release button | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | if a prerelease gives us a lot of red results, something is up | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | and we need to dive into why it happens | 19:07 |
| phaeron | then maybe a simple thumbs up / down page attached to a repo that keeps count .. | 19:08 |
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| phaeron | if we expect vendors to automate the release importing , then some script can report back "red" (failed test for example) to that page using some api | 19:10 |
| phaeron | and vendors should be automating things as we all know :D | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:11 |
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| Stskeeps | the idea is to make fakeobs more intelligent and configureable | 19:13 |
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| berndhs | yes and get a better name for it | 19:18 |
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| berndhs | fakeobs provides a real service, it shouldn't have this degrading name :) | 19:20 |
| smoku | obs-git ? | 19:21 |
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| Stskeeps | berndhs: mer delivery system | 19:50 |
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| berndhs | yes that sounds better | 20:01 |
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| smoku | how do I resolve? | 20:34 |
| smoku | have choice for pkgconfig(egl): mesa-libEGL-devel pvr-omap4-libEGL-devel, have choice for pkgconfig(glesv1_cm): mesa-libGLESv1-devel pvr-omap4-libGLESv1-devel | 20:34 |
| Stskeeps | Prefer: | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | and keep hardware adaptations and UI seperate for your own sanity's sake | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | you should only build against the mesa GLES/EGL headers anyway | 20:36 |
| smoku | I build against Mer:fake:Core:armv7l/Core_armv7l + Project:KDE:Mer_Extras/Mer_Extras_armv7l | 20:38 |
| smoku | I didn't expect Mer_Extras to bring conflicts | 20:38 |
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| smoku | Stskeeps: are you sure "Prefer:" is valid? I can't find it in documentation | 20:45 |
| smoku | also spectacle does not like it | 20:45 |
| smoku | there is BuildConflicts: though | 20:47 |
| smoku | i will try that | 20:47 |
| smoku | nope :/ | 20:50 |
| Sage | smoku: you need to have that prefer in project conf | 20:51 |
| Sage | smoku: it is not spectacle/rpm/spec thing | 20:51 |
| Sage | osc meta prjconf project | 20:51 |
| smoku | oh | 20:51 |
| smoku | thx | 20:52 |
| Sage | np | 20:53 |
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| vgrade | lbt, cobs down for me atm | 22:57 |
| lbt | looking | 22:58 |
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| vgrade | ok, have a status page now, but very slow, looks very busy | 23:01 |
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| vgrade | workers maxed since 16:00 | 23:02 |
| mingwandroid | hey | 23:03 |
| vgrade | evening | 23:05 |
| lbt | yeah - looks like we "just" have a big queue - I guess rzr is doing a build | 23:05 |
| vgrade | lbt, ok, thanks, | 23:06 |
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| mingwandroid | vgrade: I tried to boot my vega with where I left off (PA running), but it didn't play ball.. not sure what's going on there. | 23:09 |
| lbt | vgrade: https://build.pub.meego.com/project/monitor?project=home%3Arzr%3Aharmattan | 23:10 |
| vgrade | lbt, yikes | 23:11 |
| lbt | and those are non cross- builds .. so *sloooow* | 23:12 |
| vgrade | lbt, looking forward to the new infra | 23:13 |
| lbt | it's not going to be as powerful as c.obs ... probably not by a long way - but it's more dedicated to Mer/Nemo | 23:14 |
| vgrade | what have we got so far? | 23:14 |
| vgrade | for Mer/Nemo OBS | 23:15 |
| lbt | 3x 4core 24Gb machines | 23:15 |
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| lbt | vs 16x 16 core 64Gb machines in c.obs | 23:15 |
| lbt | well, that includes wiki/bz etc too - but we have to run them on the 3x | 23:16 |
| vgrade | the hetzner ones | 23:16 |
| lbt | yes | 23:16 |
| lbt | I need to mail stefan too | 23:16 |
| vgrade | but cobs was not fully utilised | 23:18 |
| lbt | no | 23:19 |
| vgrade | well not until these harmatten builds :) | 23:19 |
| lbt | it goes through spikes | 23:19 |
| lbt | as you'd expect | 23:19 |
| lbt | I'm being asked "what do you need" | 23:19 |
| lbt | and it's hard to answer | 23:20 |
| vgrade | does obs do any scheduling of small jobs vs bid harmatten style rebuilds | 23:20 |
| vgrade | big | 23:20 |
| vgrade | lbt, from swerden | 23:20 |
| lbt | yes | 23:20 |
| vgrade | would EC2 help with the spikes? | 23:21 |
| lbt | not easily | 23:23 |
| lbt | we need nested virtualisation for that | 23:23 |
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