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| iekku | morning | 05:27 |
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| Stskeeps | zzz | 06:25 |
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| Termana | good morning | 06:31 |
| Jucato | mooo | 06:31 |
| damnshock | morning everyone :D | 06:44 |
| Bostik | woke up, and thus was another day ruined | 06:47 |
| * Stskeeps slides the coffee pot over to Bostik | 06:48 | |
| Bostik | thanks for the thought, I'll pass the coffee and check out the teapot instead | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | hehe, true | 06:50 |
| Bostik | coffee makes things very bubbly | 06:50 |
| * Stskeeps glances at his Mer armv7tnhl build | 06:51 | |
| Stskeeps | not bad | 06:51 |
| dm8tbr | which SoCs would that run on? | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | device-mapper, perl-HTML-Parser, perl-TimeDate, perl-URI, perl-libwww-perl had some odd makefile issue, but of actual compile failed, only libatomic_ops and libtheora | 06:51 |
| Stskeeps | dm8tbr: anything that isn't early omap3 and supports NEON, i guess | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | thumb2 and NEON | 06:52 |
| dm8tbr | ah | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | doing it because it could be interesting to see how much memory usage drops | 06:52 |
| Stskeeps | / performance | 06:52 |
| dm8tbr | so in terms of TI: >36/37xx and 4xxx | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 06:53 |
| Stskeeps | basically n900 can't do it, totally buggy thumb2 | 06:53 |
| dm8tbr | yeah, there are at least two concurrent errata | 06:54 |
| dm8tbr | if you fix one, you run into the other and vice versa | 06:54 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 06:54 |
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| Stskeeps | still useful if you want to make a low-footprint mer | 06:58 |
| Stskeeps | so it's worth checking once in a while if things still built for armv7tnhl | 07:00 |
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| phaeron | good morning | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 07:20 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2931960 <- didn't someone ask this? | 07:54 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: that is in ofono configure so I wonder if that should be added. | 07:54 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah, that looks lik a bug | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | bugs.merproject.org -> Mer Core -> project-core , severity=task | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | adds to architectual backlog | 07:55 |
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| Stskeeps | i already have qmf on the list | 07:58 |
| Sage | uh, that might be a pain :/ | 07:58 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 07:59 |
| Sage | hmm... nm. I remembered that there was a problem with that but apparently not: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=qmf&project=Project%3AMTF%3ATracker | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, vgrade said qmf built without any dependancy issue | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | s | 08:00 |
| Sage | Should the Qt layer be separeted from the Mer Core to its own layer with its deps at some point? | 08:01 |
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| Stskeeps | i've considered it but am afraid it'd cause us not to focus on combined performance | 08:03 |
| Stskeeps | / footprint | 08:03 |
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| Stskeeps | (for reference, that's ~130 packages or so) | 08:05 |
| Sage | well, it is not really a core thing IMO, but I can see your concern as well. | 08:08 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: what list is QMF on? | 08:09 |
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| vgrade | https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3 | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | w00t: https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamed&namedcmd=Architectual%20backlog | 08:10 |
| Stskeeps | (does that work for you guys?) | 08:10 |
| w00t | nope | 08:11 |
| veskuh | There is no saved search named 'Architectual backlog | 08:11 |
| w00t | hm | 08:11 |
| w00t | it did when I clicked it myself though | 08:11 |
| w00t | haha | 08:11 |
| w00t | hmm | 08:12 |
| w00t | mobility *relies* on QMF? | 08:12 |
| veskuh | w00t: same here. | 08:12 |
| vgrade | QtMessaging does not build if qmf is not present | 08:12 |
| Stskeeps | veskuh: https://bugs.merproject.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=dorem&remaction=run&namedcmd=Architectual%20backlog&sharer_id=1 | 08:12 |
| * w00t goes to check that | 08:13 | |
| w00t | that doesn't sound right | 08:13 |
| veskuh | Stskeeps: yep that works | 08:13 |
| Stskeeps | good | 08:13 |
| * Sage ponders why his n900 still uses n950 driver with new ofono | 08:14 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: and about ofono I think it should be ofono that decides the modem itself as dependency to boardname is well a bit much for this case. Because ofono knows for example: Model = Nokia N900 | 08:16 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, point | 08:17 |
| Sage | also with the 1.0 the udev rules file is not installed anymore :P | 08:17 |
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| lbt | morning all | 09:01 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 09:01 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 09:07 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: armv7l's ripe for harvest for you, i've been verifying instructions for armv6l | 09:07 |
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| lbt | *g* not many changes on the wiki page then :) | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | the echo with quotes inside quotes need inprovement | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | improvement | 09:10 |
| Stskeeps | didn't work as expected with single quotes either | 09:10 |
| lbt | *nod* ... it was definitely conceptual | 09:10 |
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| lbt | also need to comment on i586 project | 09:11 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:12 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo AminCX | 09:27 |
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| AminCX | hi there :) | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | so start out by watching some of the videos from the wiki, that gives a pretty good impression what Mer's capable of | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | and perhaps figure out what Mer-based projects you're interested in | 09:27 |
| AminCX | i'm on it . | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQLIjcYAMU is Nemo, the former MeeGo Community Edition work | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | more handset minded | 09:28 |
| lbt | OK, cord cut | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | alright | 09:30 |
| lbt | updated wiki - added a little textual note | 09:30 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Local_Mer may be of interest | 09:31 |
| lbt | So... I would like to do the next release too | 09:31 |
| lbt | same principles as this :) | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | mmkay | 09:31 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: cheers, checking it out | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: yeah.. subject to change though, it's my idea that no humans involved in release process | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | remember, release engineering is a bunch of python scripts | 09:32 |
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| Stskeeps | (no humans involved unless in exception cases) | 09:33 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: next step (for me) is to apply phaeron's patch and restart BE | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | but hmm | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | i guess we can walk through a release, just give me a mo' | 10:02 |
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| Stskeeps | oh crud.. one thing to fix first | 10:02 |
| Stskeeps | morning swerden | 10:04 |
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| mike7b4_atwork | hi all, wasnt there a irc channel for nemo-handset or do I remember wrong | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | mike7b4_atwork: #nemomobile | 10:05 |
| mike7b4_atwork | great | 10:06 |
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| AminCX | witch linux os is better for compiling and buildings ? | 10:16 |
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| AminCX | the one that you use ? debian ? | 10:17 |
| Stskeeps | i personally use fedora | 10:18 |
| Stskeeps | others use debian | 10:18 |
| AminCX | i prefer to use debian :) | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: we've done so much infra changes that i'd like to do this release on my own and then move to automated release from next one | 10:20 |
| AminCX | so now i'm going to run mer on virtual machine using this : http://codex.xiaoka.com/pub/mer/, am i right ? | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | the walkthrough isn't going to yield anything remotely useful in documentation | 10:21 |
| Stskeeps | AminCX: if you want, uncertain if it works on VM | 10:21 |
| AminCX | hmm, ok try it, and then if it does not work i have to do things that are in this: http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Trying_it_out, right ? | 10:22 |
| AminCX | i mean i'm gonna try it . | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | yes, for example | 10:22 |
| Stskeeps | you can also try it out on your n900 | 10:22 |
| AminCX | well you know i'm not very comfortable there. but for testings of course i'll do that. hope that I can join you in this . | 10:24 |
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| Stskeeps | AminCX: every contribution is welcome | 10:28 |
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| ScriptRipper | moin Stskeeps | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | moin | 10:47 |
| * Stskeeps botches a mer release because of a wrongly set up rsyncd | 10:51 | |
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| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps, I have the situation that a rebuild ends up in wrongly configured ARM targets | 10:51 |
| ScriptRipper | e.g. the configure targets get wrong | 10:52 |
| ScriptRipper | so that compiler cannot gen any code | 10:52 |
| ScriptRipper | but Stskeeps, that happens only after complete rebuild | 10:52 |
| Stskeeps | yes, if you note, there's no Changetarget in your prjconf likely -- please set up fakeobs and http://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Local_Mer to set up local build and that problem goes away | 10:53 |
| ScriptRipper | I have Changetarget in my prjconf | 10:53 |
| ScriptRipper | is that a bug ? | 10:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer/project-core.git;a=blob;f=Makefile;h=853c56b718d8da2bd3e96ef2cbdb3ab0fc5f02d8;hb=HEAD explains why the _config's for each OBS project is different | 10:54 |
| Stskeeps | i can't tell if it's a bug since it doesn't happen on my normal setup, which is with fakeobs :) | 10:54 |
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| Stskeeps | 'lo ruphy, zabomber | 11:04 |
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| ruphy | hi Stskeeps :) | 11:08 |
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| Stskeeps | so what brings you here? | 11:10 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: would be nice if you would change the latest link only after there is content in the new release ;) | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | yess.. | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | that's why i said i botched it | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | rsync error | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:40 |
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| Stskeeps | give me a bit | 11:40 |
| w00t | haha | 11:41 |
| w00t | poor Stskeeps | 11:41 |
| Sage | no rush. I know how to get pass that, just saying ;) | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | read: never do releases on a monday | 11:41 |
| Sage | o_0 it is Monday? | 11:41 |
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| Stskeeps | yes | 11:42 |
| w00t | unfortunately | 11:42 |
| * lbt is back | 11:42 | |
| Sage | I really didn't realized that before :D | 11:42 |
| lbt | that's OK... I wasn't back before | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: now all your stuff will blow up | 11:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 11:42 |
| * w00t imagines Sage running to get to the office | 11:43 | |
| w00t | :P | 11:43 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: I really wonder what made me came to work today as I really didn't think it is Monday. :P | 11:43 |
| w00t | ah ;) | 11:43 |
| Sage | well, that explains some things gone bad alread :P | 11:43 |
| iekku | Sage, what day it was for you? | 11:43 |
| Sage | iekku: maybe Thursday or something :P | 11:43 |
| iekku | :o | 11:44 |
| iekku | interesting | 11:44 |
| * Sage goes to get cup of tea to get pass this shock. | 11:44 | |
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| timakima | i saw nemo & mer running on n950 during hackday on saturday. have to say i was impressed | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | thanks, quite happy we're already doing phonecalls | 11:53 |
| timakima | it was slick and phone calls seemed to work | 11:53 |
| * Stskeeps updates cobs | 11:56 | |
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| Sage | Failed to open /dev/kmsg for logging: No such file or directory | 12:10 |
| Sage | ^ Was that caused by some missing kernel option? | 12:10 |
| Stskeeps | think so, but not sure | 12:10 |
| Sage | "Sounds like you're using a custom kernel without an initramfs. You must make sure that /dev is mounted by the kernel in this case (CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y)." | 12:11 |
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| w00t | timakima: :) | 12:16 |
| lbt | Sage: that's on my list of systemd things to look at | 12:17 |
| ScriptRipper | Stskeeps I have now checked prjconf and found what is wrong | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 12:19 |
| * lbt is going to bite bullet and do puppet on infra - this will let me delegate VM management and manage SSH keys, ntp and Stefan's new machines etc - alterego can then migrate wiki and link to bz accounts (which will also reduce wiki spam) | 12:21 | |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ok | 12:21 |
| lbt | There *should* be no disruption | 12:21 |
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| Sage | lbt: that probably kernel thing. Will report soon if that CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y fixes it | 12:31 |
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| lbt | OK | 12:31 |
| lbt | I have started a page on the early boot process | 12:32 |
| lbt | I'll add it in there for now | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | updated COBS's mer snapshot | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | rebuilds galore time | 12:35 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: any knowledge what is the serial on snowball /dev/ttyO2? | 12:35 |
| lbt | and all the workers look sane :) | 12:35 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: ttyAMA(0..2) | 12:36 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: remember the device nodes we looked up? | 12:36 |
| Sage | dm8tbr: ah, those. | 12:36 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: could you do the gerrit dcp_update | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | be done | 12:37 |
| lbt | hehe .. I just did a diff and thought ...wtf... it just said rsync had changed | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's what caused my release to botch twice | 12:38 |
| lbt | tbh I've never fully grokked the obs/rsync/publish process | 12:38 |
| lbt | hacked, worked, move on | 12:38 |
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| Sage | uh, a lot of rebuilds :) | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | new Mer release | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:00 |
| Sage | yeah, and I guess I'm probably one of the reasons for so many rebuilds ;) | 13:00 |
| Stskeeps | just hope the release works.. | 13:01 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:01 |
| Sage | hehe, | 13:01 |
| Sage | [ 13.017761] mmcblk1: error -84 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x900 | 13:04 |
| Sage | Failing sd card? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | put mmc back in pc, umount, eject, try again | 13:04 |
| * Sage doesn't have automount enabled on his pc | 13:05 | |
| Sage | so mount and unmount? | 13:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i guess so | 13:05 |
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| Sage | well still same | 13:10 |
| Sage | it boots though but that error comes | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | maybe it's from the emmc | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | root=mmcblk or mmcblk1? | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | er, 0 | 13:10 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/2933142 | 13:10 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron1: ping | 13:11 |
| Sage | on mic-chroot | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah. | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | that's on the sd card or what | 13:11 |
| Sage | that error is from device | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 13:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, dying sd card or bad timings, i guess | 13:11 |
| * Sage changes sd card. | 13:11 | |
| Stskeeps | also, i really hope we aren't going to run into any customers of FORTRAN in Nemo | 13:12 |
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| * lbt glances at the physics/python thread on the mailing list | 13:13 | |
| Stskeeps | they can compile the fortran support themselves, i think | 13:15 |
| lbt | for sure | 13:15 |
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| w00t | Stskeeps: darn, my qt-fortran bindings will just have to wait then | 13:20 |
| w00t | ;) | 13:20 |
| Sage | lol | 13:22 |
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| javier | hello | 14:26 |
| javier | obs is playing cards? | 14:27 |
| lbt | yeah | 14:27 |
| javier | perhaps I should join him too ;) | 14:27 |
| Ans5i | oobs | 14:29 |
| lbt | Stskeeps broke it | 14:29 |
| Sage | ? | 14:36 |
| lbt | or those harmattan boys | 14:36 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: what did i do now? | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:40 |
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| lbt | c.obs got blocked up | 14:41 |
| lbt | I'm not sure it was mer though | 14:41 |
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| lbt | nb.. fakeobs -> thinobs ? | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | i was thinking mer delivery system | 14:42 |
| lbt | thin obs layer between a repo and obs | 14:42 |
| lbt | that works too | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | because it's going to erm, get a little more complex in next iteration | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | how's puppet coming along? | 14:43 |
| lbt | we have a puppetmaster machine and I'm about to do some test modules - ldap shells first I think | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 14:44 |
| Sage | lbt: you can cross that /dev/kmsg out of your systemd list. It is a problem with kernel compile on that specific platform it appears | 14:48 |
| Sage | lbt: one CONFIG option needs to be enabled to fix it | 14:48 |
| lbt | OK - thanks Sage | 14:48 |
| lbt | however, also on the list is a better list of CONFIG settings we need | 14:49 |
| Sage | lbt: probably should collect those to mer wiki with the stuff that require those. | 14:51 |
| Sage | lbt: main deps come from systemd | 14:51 |
| Sage | also the error message that happens if that CONFIG is set wrong would be nice to have on there | 14:51 |
| lbt | yes, agreed | 14:51 |
| Sage | hmm... I wonder if this problem I have is because of the new mer core. | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | what are you seeing? | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i'm going to give be a reboot kick | 14:53 |
| Sage | that sd card CRC error | 14:53 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: mmm | 14:53 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: any thought? | 14:53 |
| lbt | why? | 14:54 |
| Sage | need to boot on some other device as well than snowball to confirm though | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, i suppose i could just restart some obs services | 14:54 |
| Sage | but need to wait for rebuilds | 14:54 |
| lbt | yes - but what's the issue? | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: nm, i was being stupid | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: i added phaeron's patch | 14:54 |
| Stskeeps | let's see.. | 14:55 |
| Sage | [ 0.000000] Kernel command line: console=ttyAMA2,115200n8 ip=dhcp vmalloc=256M root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 rootwait mem=128M@0 mali.mali_mem=32M@128M hwmem=168M@M160M mem=48M@328M mem_issw=1M@383M mem=640M@384M | 14:56 |
| Sage | ^ should that have ro? | 14:56 |
| Stskeeps | possibly | 14:56 |
| Sage | what was the reason for rw in our n900 kernel btw? | 14:57 |
| Sage | some time ago | 14:57 |
| Stskeeps | rc.sysinit insnaity | 14:58 |
| Stskeeps | insanity | 14:58 |
| Sage | ok | 14:58 |
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| Sage | ok, not the release as it does the same on old release as well | 14:59 |
| Stskeeps | phew ;) | 14:59 |
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| Stskeeps | heh, got the job? | 15:00 |
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| slaine | looking forward to getting a RaspberryPi for Mer | 15:43 |
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| vgrade | slaine, are you on the list? | 15:48 |
| vgrade | http://wiki.qt-project.org/Qt_RaspberryPi/Device_program | 15:48 |
| slaine | vgrade: no | 15:48 |
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| slaine | vgrade: I'd buy one anyway | 15:52 |
| slaine | at that price, I'd buy a couple | 15:52 |
| slaine | one for me, one for my kids | 15:53 |
| vgrade | slaine, I think there may be a bit of a rush for the first batch | 15:53 |
| slaine | nod | 15:54 |
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| Stskeeps | woo, my raspberry pi is waiting in my mailbox | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | but it does beg some questions how on earth it got through the hole | 16:29 |
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| berndhs | Stskeeps: in parts, assembled inside the box | 16:41 |
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| Sage | would be nice to have rasperrypi but I'm not sure if I have time to spent on it atm. :/ | 17:10 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: it is so small that it fits nicly in mailbox. | 17:11 |
| Sage | even the snowball could fit in mailbox easily | 17:11 |
| Sage | and yes, with that I mean hardware not water ;) | 17:12 |
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| Sage | \o/ now systemd rebuild doesn't build anything else :) | 17:13 |
| * Sage just got wall painted and waiting paint to dry so he can move the furnitures to other side of the room and paint again ;) | 17:14 | |
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| dm8tbr | real world dependencies ;) | 17:16 |
| Sage | hah :D | 17:17 |
| Sage | it is nice how one can change terms from this to "real world". Before that painting and moving futures I had to remove wallpapers that were not compliant ;) | 17:18 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron1: not sure patch works as intended | 17:20 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: what's the effect | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron1: doesn't seem to notice old rpms | 17:21 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron1: anyway i can debug through API? | 17:23 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: are the old rpms local or through a link as well | 17:23 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron1: setup is fakeobs:Core:i586 linkedproject,localdep -> path home:merboss:foo | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | fakeobs is a remoteurl | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | let me see if i can make it work on a local repo first | 17:25 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: yeah, that function doesn't get packages over remoteurl | 17:26 |
| phaeron1 | it looks at files on local filesystem | 17:26 |
| phaeron1 | it would need more poking to work over remoteurl | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | ah, let me see.. | 17:27 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron1: ok, better with local project | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron1: how difficult with remoteurl be? | 17:38 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: not sure, it didn't use to do that in the first place, so it will be new functionality | 17:38 |
| phaeron1 | Stskeeps: I guess one more parameter remote=1 | 17:38 |
| phaeron1 | to request files over the remoteurl | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 17:40 |
| phaeron1 | I am skeptical about more remote obs link usage. it causes enough trouble already | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | well, at least fakeobs is reasonably local | 17:41 |
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| Stskeeps | ah.. crud | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | now i see a problem | 17:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://pastie.org/2934379 | 17:43 |
| Stskeeps | build-compare issue, i guess | 17:43 |
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| phaeron1 | yeah I don't see it related to the patch :) | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | this is just piling up.. | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | just something i should have forseen | 17:46 |
| phaeron1 | the fact that it got something from the linked project is already good | 17:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, patch works | 17:47 |
| phaeron1 | ok I will try to get it to function over remoteurl as well | 17:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i'll think of something with the build-compare | 17:48 |
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| phaeron1 | why are project and repo names in the build results anyway | 17:51 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. good question | 17:51 |
| phaeron1 | try something other than autoconf. it's probably some stray m4 macro | 17:53 |
| phaeron1 | :D | 17:53 |
| Stskeeps | nah.. this is RPM metadata | 17:54 |
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| smoku | when I have a tool window on screen, what is the best/expected way of closing it using touch interface? | 20:44 |
| smoku | big X in the corner? anything else? | 20:44 |
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| Stskeeps | back button? | 21:06 |
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| phaeron | smoku: X gesture ? five finger throw away gesture ? :D | 21:15 |
| smoku | Stskeeps: and in case of many toolwindows opened? | 21:17 |
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| Stskeeps | smoku: slide in/out from side maybe. dunno | 21:32 |
| smoku | push-away gesture may be a good option. thx. | 21:38 |
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| lbt | smoku: the slide gestures work when the gesture enters from one side of the screen - how about a full diagonal slide ... ie enters from left/right and goes all the way to the top/bottom edge | 22:53 |
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| smoku | lbt: I have small (not fullscreen) tool windows over the main canvas. these windows are draggable around. I imagine if i "swipe" it out the screen while dragging it will fly away off screen | 22:55 |
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| lbt | ah, I understand | 22:56 |
| mgrover_ | hello | 22:57 |
| lbt | flick would work then | 22:57 |
| lbt | the problem is that such gestures need to be applicable to any tool window | 22:57 |
| mgrover_ | running irc from meego :) | 22:58 |
| lbt | and it's perfectly reasonable for a popup window like that to want to handle arbitrary touch input | 22:58 |
| lbt | mgrover_: congrats :) | 22:58 |
| mgrover_ | runs fairly nice apart from a few rotation and keyboard bugs | 22:59 |
| lbt | smoku: the clever thing about swipe is that it reserves swipes which start "off screen" | 22:59 |
| lbt | mgrover_: meego or nemo ? | 22:59 |
| mgrover_ | nemo | 22:59 |
| lbt | even better | 22:59 |
| mgrover_ | i gotta get used to saying that | 22:59 |
| mgrover_ | am doing anything i can not to leave my n900 | 23:00 |
| lbt | mgrover_: I keep typing meego.com in all my sysadmin stuff on mer | 23:00 |
| mgrover_ | tbh i think ill probably make the switch to nemo once the basic things work well | 23:00 |
| mgrover_ | sure ill miss widgets | 23:01 |
| smoku | lbt: I am doing it in SDL anyway. ;-) and I would need to disable default swipe behaviour to not interfere with canvas dragging | 23:01 |
| mgrover_ | what are you doing smoku? hildon? | 23:01 |
| lbt | smoku: hmm - the way swipe works you shouldn't need to disable it | 23:01 |
| smoku | lbt: I got caught by it while dragging the canvas if i start close enough to the edge | 23:02 |
| lbt | smoku: well, I'd say that's part of the overall UI | 23:03 |
| lbt | it's like apps that decide to rebind ctrl-alt-<fn> keys on linux.... | 23:04 |
| lbt | yeah ... great... thanks for that | 23:04 |
| smoku | lbt: it's more annoying if you suddenly got swiped out of the app | 23:04 |
| smoku | i have a "pause" button that pauses the app, and would re-enable swipe then | 23:05 |
| lbt | I'd argue that if the experience is consistent it's better - but I guess for things like games etc then there's the equivalent to 'full screen mode' | 23:06 |
| lbt | so yes, that'd make sense then | 23:06 |
| lbt | Maybe a "one time" info banner "swipe disabled unless paused" | 23:07 |
| smoku | good idea | 23:11 |
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