Monday, 2011-11-28

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Termanagood morning06:31
damnshockmorning everyone :D06:44
Bostikwoke up, and thus was another day ruined06:47
* Stskeeps slides the coffee pot over to Bostik 06:48
Bostikthanks for the thought, I'll pass the coffee and check out the teapot instead06:50
Stskeepshehe, true06:50
Bostikcoffee makes things very bubbly06:50
* Stskeeps glances at his Mer armv7tnhl build06:51
Stskeepsnot bad06:51
dm8tbrwhich SoCs would that run on?06:51
Stskeepsdevice-mapper, perl-HTML-Parser, perl-TimeDate, perl-URI, perl-libwww-perl had some odd makefile issue, but of actual compile failed, only libatomic_ops and libtheora06:51
Stskeepsdm8tbr: anything that isn't early omap3 and supports NEON, i guess06:52
Stskeepsthumb2 and NEON06:52
Stskeepsdoing it because it could be interesting to see how much memory usage drops06:52
Stskeeps / performance06:52
dm8tbrso in terms of TI: >36/37xx and 4xxx06:53
Stskeepsbasically n900 can't do it, totally buggy thumb206:53
dm8tbryeah, there are at least two concurrent errata06:54
dm8tbrif you fix one, you run into the other and vice versa06:54
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Stskeepsstill useful if you want to make a low-footprint mer06:58
Stskeepsso it's worth checking once in a while if things still built for armv7tnhl07:00
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phaerongood morning07:20
Stskeepsmorn phaeron07:20
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SageStskeeps: <- didn't someone ask this?07:54
SageStskeeps: that is in ofono configure so I wonder if that should be added.07:54
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Stskeepsyeah, that looks lik a bug07:54 -> Mer Core -> project-core , severity=task07:55
Stskeepsadds to architectual backlog07:55
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Stskeeps i already have qmf on the list07:58
Sageuh, that might be a pain :/07:58
Sagehmm... nm. I remembered that there was a problem with that but apparently not:
Stskeepsyeah, vgrade said qmf built without any dependancy issue08:00
SageShould the Qt layer be separeted from the Mer Core to its own layer with its deps at some point?08:01
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Stskeepsi've considered it but am afraid it'd cause us not to focus on combined performance08:03
Stskeeps / footprint08:03
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Stskeeps(for reference, that's ~130 packages or so)08:05
Sagewell, it is not really a core thing IMO, but I can see your concern as well.08:08
w00tStskeeps: what list is QMF on?08:09
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Stskeeps(does that work for you guys?)08:10
veskuhThere is no saved search named 'Architectual backlog08:11
w00tit did when I clicked it myself though08:11
w00tmobility *relies* on QMF?08:12
veskuhw00t: same here.08:12
vgradeQtMessaging does not build if qmf is not present08:12
* w00t goes to check that08:13
w00tthat doesn't sound right08:13
veskuhStskeeps: yep that works08:13
* Sage ponders why his n900 still uses n950 driver with new ofono08:14
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SageStskeeps: and about ofono I think it should be ofono that decides the modem itself as dependency to boardname is well a bit much for this case. Because ofono knows for example:     Model = Nokia N90008:16
Stskeepsyeah, point08:17
Sagealso with the 1.0 the udev rules file is not installed anymore :P08:17
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lbtmorning all09:01
Stskeepsmorn lbt09:07
Stskeepslbt: armv7l's ripe for harvest for you, i've been verifying instructions for armv6l09:07
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lbt*g* not many changes on the wiki page then :)09:09
Stskeepsthe echo with quotes inside quotes need inprovement09:10
Stskeepsdidn't work as expected with single quotes either09:10
lbt*nod* ... it was definitely conceptual09:10
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lbtalso need to comment on i586 project09:11
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Stskeeps'lo AminCX09:27
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AminCXhi there :)09:27
Stskeepsso start out by watching some of the videos from the wiki, that gives a pretty good impression what Mer's capable of09:27
Stskeepsand perhaps figure out what Mer-based projects you're interested in09:27
AminCXi'm on it .09:27
Stskeeps is Nemo, the former MeeGo Community Edition work09:28
Stskeepsmore handset minded09:28
lbtOK, cord cut09:30
lbtupdated wiki - added a little textual note09:30
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Stskeepsslaine: may be of interest09:31
lbtSo... I would like to do the next release too09:31
lbtsame principles as this :)09:31
slaineStskeeps: cheers, checking it out09:31
Stskeepslbt: yeah.. subject to change though, it's my idea that no humans involved in release process09:32
Stskeepsremember, release engineering is a bunch of python scripts09:32
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Stskeeps(no humans involved unless in exception cases)09:33
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Stskeepslbt: next step (for me) is to apply phaeron's patch and restart BE09:56
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Stskeepsbut hmm10:01
Stskeepsi guess we can walk through a release, just give me a mo'10:02
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Stskeepsoh crud.. one thing to fix first10:02
Stskeepsmorning swerden10:04
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mike7b4_atworkhi all, wasnt there a irc channel for nemo-handset or do I remember wrong10:05
Stskeepsmike7b4_atwork: #nemomobile10:05
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AminCXwitch linux os is better for compiling and buildings ?10:16
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AminCXthe one that you use ? debian ?10:17
Stskeepsi personally use fedora10:18
Stskeepsothers use debian10:18
AminCXi prefer to use debian :)10:19
Stskeepslbt: we've done so much infra changes that i'd like to do this release on my own and then move to automated release from next one10:20
AminCXso now i'm going to run mer on virtual machine using this :, am i right ?10:21
Stskeepsthe walkthrough isn't going to yield anything remotely useful in documentation10:21
StskeepsAminCX: if you want, uncertain if it works on VM10:21
AminCXhmm, ok try it, and then if it does not work i have to do things that are in this:, right ?10:22
AminCXi mean i'm gonna try it .10:22
Stskeepsyes, for example10:22
Stskeepsyou can also try it out on your n90010:22
AminCXwell you know i'm not very comfortable there. but for testings of course i'll do that. hope that I can join you in this .10:24
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StskeepsAminCX: every contribution is welcome10:28
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ScriptRippermoin Stskeeps10:46
* Stskeeps botches a mer release because of a wrongly set up rsyncd10:51
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ScriptRipperStskeeps, I have the situation that a rebuild ends up in wrongly configured ARM targets10:51
ScriptRippere.g. the configure targets get wrong10:52
ScriptRipperso that compiler cannot gen any code10:52
ScriptRipperbut Stskeeps, that happens only after complete rebuild10:52
Stskeepsyes, if you note, there's no Changetarget in your prjconf likely -- please set up fakeobs and to set up local build and that problem goes away10:53
ScriptRipperI have Changetarget  in my prjconf10:53
ScriptRipperis that a bug ?10:53
Stskeeps;a=blob;f=Makefile;h=853c56b718d8da2bd3e96ef2cbdb3ab0fc5f02d8;hb=HEAD explains why the _config's for each OBS project is different10:54
Stskeepsi can't tell if it's a bug since it doesn't happen on my normal setup, which is with fakeobs :)10:54
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Stskeeps'lo ruphy, zabomber11:04
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ruphyhi Stskeeps :)11:08
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Stskeepsso what brings you here?11:10
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SageStskeeps: would be nice if you would change the latest link only after there is content in the new release ;)11:40
Stskeepsthat's why i said i botched it11:40
Stskeepsrsync error11:40
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Stskeepsgive me a bit11:40
w00tpoor Stskeeps11:41
Sageno rush. I know how to get pass that, just saying ;)11:41
Stskeepsread: never do releases on a monday11:41
Sageo_0 it is Monday?11:41
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* lbt is back11:42
SageI really didn't realized that before :D11:42
lbtthat's OK... I wasn't back before11:42
StskeepsSage: now all your stuff will blow up11:42
* w00t imagines Sage running to get to the office11:43
SageStskeeps: I really wonder what made me came to work today as I really didn't think it is Monday. :P11:43
w00tah ;)11:43
Sagewell, that explains some things gone bad alread :P11:43
iekkuSage, what day it was for you?11:43
Sageiekku: maybe Thursday or something :P11:43
* Sage goes to get cup of tea to get pass this shock.11:44
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timakimai saw nemo & mer running on n950 during hackday on saturday. have to say i was impressed11:53
Stskeepsthanks, quite happy we're already doing phonecalls11:53
timakimait was slick and phone calls seemed to work11:53
* Stskeeps updates cobs11:56
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SageFailed to open /dev/kmsg for logging: No such file or directory12:10
Sage^ Was that caused by some missing kernel option?12:10
Stskeepsthink so, but not sure12:10
Sage"Sounds like you're using a custom kernel without an initramfs. You must make sure that /dev is mounted by the kernel in this case (CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y)."12:11
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w00ttimakima: :)12:16
lbtSage: that's on my list of systemd things to look at12:17
ScriptRipperStskeeps I have now checked prjconf and found what is wrong12:18
* lbt is going to bite bullet and do puppet on infra - this will let me delegate VM management and manage SSH keys, ntp and Stefan's new machines etc - alterego can then migrate wiki and link to bz accounts (which will also reduce wiki spam)12:21
Stskeepslbt: ok12:21
lbtThere *should* be no disruption12:21
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Sagelbt: that probably kernel thing. Will report soon if that CONFIG_DEVTMPFS_MOUNT=y fixes it12:31
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lbtI have started a page on the early boot process12:32
lbtI'll add it in there for now12:32
Stskeepsupdated COBS's mer snapshot12:34
Stskeepsrebuilds galore time12:35
Sagedm8tbr: any knowledge what is the serial on snowball /dev/ttyO2?12:35
lbtand all the workers look sane :)12:35
dm8tbrSage: ttyAMA(0..2)12:36
dm8tbrSage: remember the device nodes we looked up?12:36
Sagedm8tbr: ah, those.12:36
lbtStskeeps: could you do the gerrit dcp_update12:37
Stskeepsbe done12:37
lbthehe .. I just did a diff and thought it just said rsync had changed12:38
Stskeepsyes, that's what caused my release to botch twice12:38
lbttbh I've never fully grokked the obs/rsync/publish process12:38
lbthacked, worked, move on12:38
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Sageuh, a lot of rebuilds :)12:58
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Stskeepsnew Mer release13:00
Sageyeah, and I guess I'm probably one of the reasons for so many rebuilds ;)13:00
Stskeepsjust hope the release works..13:01
Sage[   13.017761] mmcblk1: error -84 sending stop command, original cmd response 0x900, card status 0x90013:04
SageFailing sd card?13:04
Stskeepsput mmc back in pc, umount, eject, try again13:04
* Sage doesn't have automount enabled on his pc13:05
Sageso mount and unmount?13:05
Stskeepsyeah, i guess so13:05
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Sagewell still same13:10
Sageit boots though but that error comes13:10
Stskeepsmaybe it's from the emmc13:10
Stskeepsroot=mmcblk or mmcblk1?13:10
Stskeepser, 013:10
Stskeepsphaeron1: ping13:11
Sageon mic-chroot13:11
Stskeepsthat's on the sd card or what13:11
Sagethat error is from device13:11
Stskeepsyeah, dying sd card or bad timings, i guess13:11
* Sage changes sd card.13:11
Stskeepsalso, i really hope we aren't going to run into any customers of FORTRAN in Nemo13:12
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* lbt glances at the physics/python thread on the mailing list13:13
Stskeepsthey can compile the fortran support themselves, i think13:15
lbtfor sure13:15
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w00tStskeeps: darn, my qt-fortran bindings will just have to wait then13:20
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javierobs is playing cards?14:27
javierperhaps I should join him too ;)14:27
lbtStskeeps broke it14:29
lbtor those harmattan boys14:36
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Stskeepslbt: what did i do now?14:40
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lbtc.obs got blocked up14:41
lbtI'm not sure it was mer though14:41
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lbtnb.. fakeobs -> thinobs ?14:42
Stskeepsi was thinking mer delivery system14:42
lbtthin obs layer between a repo and obs14:42
lbtthat works too14:43
Stskeepsbecause it's going to erm, get a little more complex in next iteration14:43
Stskeepshow's puppet coming along?14:43
lbtwe have a puppetmaster machine and I'm about to do some test modules - ldap shells first I think14:44
Sagelbt: you can cross that /dev/kmsg out of your systemd list. It is a problem with kernel compile on that specific platform it appears14:48
Sagelbt: one CONFIG option needs to be enabled to fix it14:48
lbtOK - thanks Sage14:48
lbthowever, also on the list is a better list of CONFIG settings we need14:49
Sagelbt: probably should collect those to mer wiki with the stuff that require those.14:51
Sagelbt: main deps come from systemd14:51
Sagealso the error message that happens if that CONFIG is set wrong would be nice to have on there14:51
lbtyes, agreed14:51
Sagehmm... I wonder if this problem I have is because of the new mer core.14:53
Stskeepswhat are you seeing?14:53
Stskeepslbt: i'm going to give be a reboot kick14:53
Sagethat sd card CRC error14:53
lbtStskeeps: mmm14:53
StskeepsSage: any thought?14:53
Sageneed to boot on some other device as well than snowball to confirm though14:54
Stskeepslbt: well, i suppose i could just restart some obs services14:54
Sagebut need to wait for rebuilds14:54
lbtyes - but what's the issue?14:54
Stskeepslbt: nm, i was being stupid14:54
Stskeepslbt: i added phaeron's patch14:54
Stskeepslet's see..14:55
Sage[    0.000000] Kernel command line: console=ttyAMA2,115200n8 ip=dhcp vmalloc=256M root=/dev/mmcblk1p2 rootwait mem=128M@0 mali.mali_mem=32M@128M hwmem=168M@M160M mem=48M@328M mem_issw=1M@383M mem=640M@384M14:56
Sage^ should that have ro?14:56
Sagewhat was the reason for rw in our n900 kernel btw?14:57
Sagesome time ago14:57
Stskeepsrc.sysinit insnaity14:58
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Sageok, not the release as it does the same on old release as well14:59
Stskeepsphew ;)14:59
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Stskeepsheh, got the job?15:00
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slainelooking forward to getting a RaspberryPi for Mer15:43
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vgradeslaine, are you on the list?15:48
slainevgrade: no15:48
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slainevgrade: I'd buy one anyway15:52
slaineat that price, I'd buy a couple15:52
slaineone for me, one for my kids15:53
vgradeslaine, I think there may be a bit of a rush for the first batch15:53
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Stskeepswoo, my raspberry pi is waiting in my mailbox16:29
Stskeepsbut it does beg some questions how on earth it got through the hole16:29
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berndhsStskeeps: in parts, assembled inside the box16:41
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Sagewould be nice to have rasperrypi but I'm not sure if I have time to spent on it atm. :/17:10
SageStskeeps: it is so small that it fits nicly in mailbox.17:11
Sageeven the snowball could fit in mailbox easily17:11
Sageand yes, with that I mean hardware not water ;)17:12
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Sage\o/ now systemd rebuild doesn't build anything else :)17:13
* Sage just got wall painted and waiting paint to dry so he can move the furnitures to other side of the room and paint again ;)17:14
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dm8tbrreal world dependencies ;)17:16
Sagehah :D17:17
Sageit is nice how one can change terms from this to "real world". Before that painting and moving futures I had to remove wallpapers that were not compliant ;)17:18
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Stskeepsphaeron1: not sure patch works as intended17:20
phaeron1Stskeeps: what's the effect17:20
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Stskeepsphaeron1: doesn't seem to notice old rpms17:21
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Stskeepsphaeron1: anyway i can debug through API?17:23
phaeron1Stskeeps: are the old rpms local or through a link as well17:23
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Stskeepsphaeron1: setup is fakeobs:Core:i586 linkedproject,localdep -> path home:merboss:foo17:25
Stskeepsfakeobs is a remoteurl17:25
Stskeepslet me see if i can make it work on a local repo first17:25
phaeron1Stskeeps: yeah, that function doesn't get packages over remoteurl17:26
phaeron1it looks at files on local filesystem17:26
phaeron1it would need more poking to work over remoteurl17:26
Stskeepsah, let me see..17:27
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Stskeepsphaeron1: ok, better with local project17:37
Stskeepsphaeron1: how difficult with remoteurl be?17:38
phaeron1Stskeeps: not sure, it didn't use to do that in the first place, so it will be new functionality17:38
phaeron1Stskeeps: I guess one more parameter remote=117:38
phaeron1to request files over the remoteurl17:39
phaeron1I am skeptical about more remote obs link usage. it causes enough trouble already17:40
Stskeepswell, at least fakeobs is reasonably local17:41
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Stskeepsah.. crud17:42
Stskeepsnow i see a problem17:42
Stskeepsbuild-compare issue, i guess17:43
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phaeron1yeah I don't see it related to the patch :)17:46
Stskeepsthis is just piling up..17:46
Stskeepsjust something i should have forseen17:46
phaeron1the fact that it got something from the linked project is already good17:46
Stskeepsyes, patch works17:47
phaeron1ok I will try to get it to function over remoteurl as well17:47
Stskeepsyeah.. i'll think of something with the build-compare17:48
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phaeron1why are project and repo names in the build results anyway17:51
Stskeepsyeah.. good question17:51
phaeron1try something other than autoconf. it's probably some stray m4 macro17:53
Stskeepsnah.. this is RPM metadata17:54
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smokuwhen I have a tool window on screen, what is the best/expected way of closing it using touch interface?20:44
smokubig X in the corner?  anything else?20:44
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Stskeepsback button?21:06
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phaeronsmoku: X gesture ? five finger throw away gesture ? :D21:15
smokuStskeeps: and in case of many toolwindows opened?21:17
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Stskeepssmoku: slide in/out from side maybe. dunno21:32
smokupush-away gesture may be a good option. thx.21:38
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lbtsmoku: the slide gestures work when the gesture enters from one side of the screen - how about a full diagonal slide ... ie enters from left/right and goes all the way to the top/bottom edge22:53
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smokulbt: I have small (not fullscreen) tool windows over the main canvas. these windows are draggable around. I imagine if i "swipe" it out the screen while dragging it will fly away off screen22:55
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lbtah, I understand22:56
lbtflick would work then22:57
lbtthe problem is that such gestures need to be applicable to any tool window22:57
mgrover_running irc from meego :)22:58
lbtand it's perfectly reasonable for a popup window like that to want to handle arbitrary touch input22:58
lbtmgrover_: congrats :)22:58
mgrover_runs fairly nice apart from a few rotation and keyboard bugs22:59
lbtsmoku: the clever thing about swipe is that it reserves swipes which start "off screen"22:59
lbtmgrover_: meego or nemo ?22:59
lbteven better22:59
mgrover_i gotta get used to saying that22:59
mgrover_am doing anything i can not to leave my n90023:00
lbtmgrover_: I keep typing in all my sysadmin stuff on mer23:00
mgrover_tbh i think ill probably make the switch to nemo once the basic things work well23:00
mgrover_sure ill miss widgets23:01
smokulbt: I am doing it in SDL anyway. ;-)   and I would need to disable default swipe behaviour to not interfere with canvas dragging23:01
mgrover_what are you doing smoku? hildon?23:01
lbtsmoku: hmm - the way swipe works you shouldn't need to disable it23:01
smokulbt: I got caught by it while dragging the canvas if i start close enough to the edge23:02
lbtsmoku: well, I'd say that's part of the overall UI23:03
lbtit's like apps that decide to rebind ctrl-alt-<fn> keys on linux....23:04
lbtyeah ... great... thanks for that23:04
smokulbt: it's more annoying if you suddenly got swiped out of the app23:04
smokui have a "pause" button that pauses the app, and would re-enable swipe then23:05
lbtI'd argue that if the experience is consistent it's better - but I guess for things like games etc then there's the equivalent to 'full screen mode'23:06
lbtso yes, that'd make sense then23:06
lbtMaybe a "one time" info banner "swipe disabled unless paused"23:07
smokugood idea23:11
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