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| Hurrian | hmm, how do i compile the kernel? | 00:51 |
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| iekku | morning | 04:21 |
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| wmarone | so I've got a .ks file to experiment with, and am trying to build a hardfp image with plasma. However, mic is grousing about needing qemu-arm-static version >= 0.13 | 04:26 |
| wmarone | what's the best way to go about getting that (ubuntu 10.10) | 04:26 |
| cxl000 | download a newer version extract the binary and drop it in or download the source and compile | 04:33 |
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| wmarone | cxl000: thanks for the oversimplification | 05:36 |
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| Stskeeps | wmarone: it's a static binary so just steal from any distro | 06:04 |
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| Stskeeps | morn phaeron | 06:23 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: morning | 06:29 |
| Stskeeps | phaeron: any progress on remoteurl-able buildinfo? | 06:37 |
| phaeron | no sorry we had planning whole day yesterday | 06:38 |
| Stskeeps | alright, no need to apologize :) | 06:38 |
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| phaeron | Sage: I deployed yesterday's demoed stuff. ping if anything goes crazy :D | 07:10 |
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| phaeron | famous last words: it's been thoroughly tested, what could go wrong ? | 07:11 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 07:12 |
| Stskeeps | i love how qemu can be flaky at times | 07:20 |
| Stskeeps | on occasion it freaks out at a utime call, other times it doesn't | 07:21 |
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| phaeron | lbt: morning | 07:28 |
| Stskeeps | paulsherwood: how's baserock coming along? | 07:29 |
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| phaeron | lbt: can you please create a Debian:6.0 toplevel (or maybe Distro: foo) I would like to use download on demand (which is already enabled in the backend it appears) | 07:31 |
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| phaeron | lbt: I am trying it out in my home: | 07:55 |
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| phaeron | lbt: it woyks | 08:06 |
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| Stskeeps | i doubt he's awake | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 08:17 |
| Jucato | he needs coffee? | 08:18 |
| Jucato | @_@ | 08:19 |
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| phaeron | the thing is with download on demand we can use the closest distro mirror and not depend on the opensuse.org remote link for those static distros | 08:21 |
| * phaeron just used my own addrepos osc plugin .. shweet | 08:22 | |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, what is the proper twitter tag for Mer? | 09:17 |
| Sage | I've used #mer but I guess that is not the one :) | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | #merproject is what i generally use | 09:17 |
| Sage | ok, need to start using that one | 09:17 |
| Sage | Stskeeps, dm8tbr: http://pastie.org/2943079 \o/ | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | what's /etc/boardname ? | 09:18 |
| Sage | updated pastie | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | also, really, snowball is single core? | 09:18 |
| Stskeeps | ah nevermind | 09:18 |
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| Sage | http://pastie.org/2943115 no Xorg yet :/ | 09:22 |
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| Stskeeps | progress | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | looks like a kernel issue though | 09:25 |
| Sage | good change it is that | 09:26 |
| dm8tbr | Sage: wooohooo | 09:27 |
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| Sage | dm8tbr: it was actually quite easy. Snowball just didn't like the first three sd cards I had (kingston) :/ | 09:29 |
| dm8tbr | d'ohhhhhh | 09:29 |
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| Sage | so did last try with the class 10 trancend card from my n900 and there it was :) | 09:29 |
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| Stskeeps | out of memory on x86 build compiling qemu | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | wow | 09:34 |
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| lbt | phaeron: I have no problem with DoD ... but what benefit do we get? I'm not aware that we've ever had a problem with opensuse links to their Debian project. | 09:51 |
| lbt | And this way we need to setup DoD to a reliable mirror for every distro - and we need to get the prjconfs... and we need to keep them updated.... | 09:52 |
| lbt | seems like a lot of effort for almost no benefit | 09:52 |
| paulsherwood | stskeeps - hi, it's coming... doing software right always takes longer than you think :-) | 09:55 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, i know the feeling | 09:56 |
| paulsherwood | i'm sorry i missed you guys at the conf | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: our fault too | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | we've been busy with our processes and infra as well | 09:57 |
| paulsherwood | will you be at fosdem? | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | yes, actually, we have a devroom, open mobile linux | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | not mer specific but i suspect a lot of mer discussion/content | 09:58 |
| paulsherwood | ok cool... lars will definitely be there, and by then we should have enough to show as well as talk about | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | yep | 09:59 |
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| Stskeeps | bergie: should we put together an announcement for open mobile linux devroom? | 10:03 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=meego-release&oproject=Mer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&package=meego-release&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&rev=2 | 10:30 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: content would be ok except the RPM certificate | 10:33 |
| Sage | sry, rpm gpg key | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | makes sense yeah | 10:33 |
| Sage | that would fix the welcome text :) | 10:33 |
| Sage | I'm trying that soon. | 10:33 |
| Sage | o_0 | 10:35 |
| Sage | what is going on with cobs | 10:35 |
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| Sage | lbt, X-Fade: harmattan builds seem to take over almost whole cobs | 10:35 |
| X-Fade | Sage: trying to find out. | 10:36 |
| X-Fade | Sage: OBS being mysterious again :) | 10:36 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: do you have the GPG key for the repos somewhere btw? | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | no, we don't have any atm intentionally | 10:36 |
| Stskeeps | until i've set up a secure signing | 10:37 |
| Sage | ok | 10:37 |
| Sage | I wonder if that meego key should be removed for now | 10:37 |
| Sage | it doesn't give us any benefit I guess | 10:37 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: OK - lets look at this OBS issue | 10:45 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Let's. | 10:48 |
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| vgrade | arc_mat, wlan progress (or not) here, http://pastie.org/2940186 . git://git.omapzoom.org/platform/hardware/ti/wlan.git does not build with archos kernel and instructions have broken links. Think I might change tack and investigate more modern kernel. | 10:58 |
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| arc_mat | vgrade: hi | 10:59 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: that doesn't look like a problem with the kernel | 11:00 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: I think it's due to a configuration issue | 11:00 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, nvs | 11:00 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: there are several options on how to clock the wl1271, the default is a TCXO, but we're using an 38.4MHz XO | 11:00 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: maybe the config is incorrect. ELP wakeup timeout sounds like that | 11:01 |
| vgrade | arc_mat and that configuration is set where? in the nvs? | 11:06 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: there or in the kernel | 11:06 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: actually, it should have been in the patches I emailed you | 11:07 |
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| vgrade | arc_mat, patches are in | 11:07 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: WL12XX: set platform data for wl12xx driver <- this one | 11:08 |
| Sage | arc_mat, vgrade: omap4 wlan? | 11:08 |
| arc_mat | yes | 11:08 |
| Sage | let me know how that turns out I'm missing that from my panda as well :) | 11:09 |
| arc_mat | Sage: argh. I hoped you had the silver bullet at hand ;) | 11:09 |
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| arc_mat | Sage: there was a nice workshop at ELCE in Prague about panda wlan | 11:10 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: I'm currently also working on upgrading the kernel, to 3.0 | 11:11 |
| arc_mat | well 3.0.8 | 11:11 |
| arc_mat | tough. | 11:11 |
| Sage | I have 3.1 kernel on my panda, and haven't really tried the wifi yet | 11:11 |
| Sage | quickly tryied with n950 firmware but didn't work | 11:11 |
| arc_mat | Sage: that should actually work out of the box | 11:11 |
| arc_mat | Sage: but not with the n950 firmware | 11:12 |
| arc_mat | Sage: the driver release is pretty tightly coupled with the firmware | 11:12 |
| Sage | ah, ok well need to pull the firmware out from ubuntu or something then I guess | 11:12 |
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| dm8tbr | Sage: did you twitter anything about snowball? | 11:13 |
| arc_mat | Sage: the firmware should be publicly available somewhere | 11:15 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/179 | 11:15 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:16 |
| Sage | just noted that in rpm packages the vendor string was wrong. Hopefully that fixes that. | 11:18 |
| Sage | hmmp... again one of my armv7l repos has been 15mins in needs recalculation state :/ | 11:19 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, that patch is in and I don't get pr_err("Error setting wl12xx data\n"); so looks to have setup correctly | 11:19 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: ok, that is strange | 11:19 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: and the release stuff http://review.merproject.org/180 | 11:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 11:20 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, as you can see from the pastie I'm also getting pr_debug("Powering %s wifi", (enable ? "on" : "off")); | 11:22 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: yes, I saw that. | 11:22 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: it looks OK, also the communication between CPU and wl1271 is OK, because the firmware upload worked | 11:22 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: could there be a version mismatch between firmware and driver? | 11:23 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: the driver you compiled is from inside the kernel source? | 11:24 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: because that one I never, ever tried | 11:24 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, well I was using the files from http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/56411 as these were the only ones which I could find with nvs == 800 | 11:24 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, yes driver from kernel source | 11:25 |
| vgrade | kicks himself for nit attending the plandaboard wlan talk, looks for presentation | 11:28 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: http://git.omapzoom.org/?p=platform/hardware/ti/wlan.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/p-ics-mr0 | 11:29 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: this is the one that doesn't compile? | 11:29 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: because I'm pretty sure I tried it | 11:29 |
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| vgrade | arc_mat, let me double check | 11:31 |
| bergie | Stskeeps: yes, we should | 11:32 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: did we have something else that said MeeGo still? | 11:32 |
| bergie | (devroom announcement, that is) | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | bergie: do you have any initial draft or should i cook one up? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: rpm configs | 11:32 |
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| Sage | ah | 11:34 |
| Stskeeps | generally we're bound to break a lot of stuff :) | 11:35 |
| Sage | but isn't meego-rmp-configs same as rpm-configs? | 11:35 |
| vgrade | arc_mat, http://pastie.org/2943525 | 11:36 |
| Stskeeps | Sage: no | 11:36 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: that is the wrong driver ;) | 11:37 |
| arc_mat | vgrade: the one we need builds from the mac80211 directory ;) | 11:37 |
| arc_mat | afk, lunch | 11:39 |
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| vgrade | doh | 11:43 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, the ca-certificates in CE:MW:Shared is probably the one you want to take to Mer atm. | 11:52 |
| Sage | I would submit it but creating new packages isn't in any guides AFAIK | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 11:53 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: Welcome to Mer release 0.2011 (Mer)! | 12:04 |
| Sage | :) | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 12:04 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: that 0.2011 is static atm. | 12:04 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: probably your build machinery could change it before the release or something? | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. maybe | 12:05 |
| Sage | what is the most fun part of Mer is that I have different hardware every now and then but still test the same packages :D | 12:06 |
| Sage | atm. I'm testing with snowball :P | 12:06 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, we have it nicely portable | 12:07 |
| Sage | and most importantly the ports do not touch core thus break others :) | 12:07 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: btw, the xorg is up and xterm on the screen. | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | cool :) | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | qmlviewer? | 12:09 |
| Sage | software rendering atm. | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | that's fine | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | qt4 doesn't mandate gles for qmlviewer | 12:09 |
| Sage | also the alignment is off quite a bit :) | 12:09 |
| Sage | can see only part of the xterm :P | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 12:10 |
| Sage | I'm guessing that it pushes fullhd on my hdready screen | 12:10 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: I'm pushing the alsa-utils to CE:Utils for now. Feel free to pick it up from there to Mer Core if you decided to go that way. | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes, i am | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | if there's stuff that should be merged, can you add it architectual backlog? | 12:24 |
| Stskeeps | and point to where to pick it up | 12:24 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: qmlviewer works btw | 12:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok, god | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | good | 12:41 |
| Sage | one bad thing with snowball is that it doesn't have USB port so I can't attach devices to it because I don't have mini-USB OTG cable | 12:41 |
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| Sage | o_0 | 12:45 |
| Sage | Problem: solvable gconf-3.1.3-2.1.Mer.armv7l conflicts with GConf-dbus provided by itself | 12:45 |
| Sage | say what | 12:45 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: ^ | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | ermm | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:46 |
| Sage | with the latest mer | 12:46 |
| Stskeeps | did we admit any changes to gconf? | 12:47 |
| Sage | AFAIK no | 12:47 |
| Stskeeps | rpm -qp .rpm --provide | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | s | 12:48 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 12:48 |
| Sage | how to download rpm with zypper to local disk? | 12:48 |
| Sage | without installin it | 12:49 |
| Stskeeps | can't recall at this point | 12:49 |
| Sage | NOTE to self: if zypper update is going to update connman don't do it over network connection. | 12:50 |
| Sage | use screen, console or device itself :P | 12:51 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 12:52 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:52 |
| Sage | there isn't zypper download or anything? | 12:53 |
| Stskeeps | http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Zypper_usage_11.3 | 12:53 |
| Sage | apparently not | 12:55 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/2943824 | 12:56 |
| Sage | oh, come on | 12:57 |
| Sage | who did that packaging :D | 12:57 |
| Sage | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/gconf.git;a=blob;f=gconf.spec;h=cd4d324784591b5e9efd8b502b7e13ee44f9ea12;hb=HEAD#l36 | 12:57 |
| Stskeeps | no clue | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | someone from debian? | 12:58 |
| Sage | I can install it fine with rpm but zypper doesn't like it :) | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | but why do we first see it now? | 12:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:58 |
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| Sage | so as long as it is installed on the system during mic nobody notices | 12:59 |
| Stskeeps | ah\ | 12:59 |
| Sage | at times it would be a good to install just the minimal system with kernel and try to use zypper to install rest :) | 13:00 |
| * Sage checks if fedora has same kind of thing | 13:01 | |
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| Sage | hmmp | 13:05 |
| Sage | fedora has only Conflicts: GConf2-dbus | 13:05 |
| Sage | time for an update then | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | the conflicts/provides/obsoletes is a debianism i think | 13:07 |
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| Sage | well, that would work here as well if there would be version numbers | 13:07 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 13:08 |
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| Sage | Updating to 3.2.3 and fixing the packaging and adding .yaml | 13:18 |
| Sage | btw, anyone checked why on exopc and wetab the x86 blanks the screen and never comes back? | 13:21 |
| Sage | err... wrong chan | 13:21 |
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| Sage | lbt, X-Fade: harmattan taking much resources again | 13:37 |
| Stskeeps | they switched SDK so that's expected | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | just like when we update mer | 13:39 |
| Sage | hmmp | 13:39 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor click for example the fmrx in worker 03 | 13:40 |
| Sage | I would say something is not right | 13:40 |
| Sage | same goes for other harmattan compiles. No log but still taking workers | 13:40 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:41 |
| X-Fade | Yes, workers seem to wait in the fetch packages stage. | 13:44 |
| X-Fade | Weird thing is that about 10 percent of those builds do work normally and the others seem to timeout. | 13:45 |
| Sage | hmmp... I think that my problems with armv7el scheduler are possibly because of that harmattan stall | 13:47 |
| Stskeeps | probably ,yeah | 13:48 |
| X-Fade | Sage: Most likely, scheduler isn't parallel or async. | 13:48 |
| Sage | gconf.i586: W: package-with-huge-translation 90% | 13:49 |
| Sage | :P | 13:50 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: should we cut out those? | 13:51 |
| Stskeeps | gladly | 13:51 |
| Sage | you had example of that? | 13:52 |
| Stskeeps | not off hang, i think there's a macro for lang packages | 13:52 |
| * Sage checks | 13:53 | |
| Sage | there is po/LINGUAS file | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | brb, reboot | 13:54 |
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| Sage | Stskeeps: so patch everything else out from this file except en* http://pastie.org/2944043 | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | well, en_US in primary package, rest in -lang? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | kyb3R: http://twitter.com/NokiaResearch - two newest publications | 13:58 |
| Sage | Stskeeps: looks better http://pastie.org/2944065 | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 13:59 |
| Sage | hmmp... there is no en_US in gconf | 14:00 |
| Sage | http://pastie.org/2944078 | 14:00 |
| Sage | only en_CA and en_GB | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | heh, someone likes the british ;) | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | just add a -lang package then | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | with all of them in | 14:01 |
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| Sage | grr... | 14:05 |
| Sage | spectacle has automatization for that and guess if that like me to move those to another package :P | 14:05 |
| Sage | ah, NoAutoLocale | 14:06 |
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| Sage | Overall download size: 1.8 MiB. After the operation, additional 5.9 MiB will be used. | 14:17 |
| Sage | Overall download size: 220.0 KiB. After the operation, additional 500.0 KiB will be used. | 14:18 |
| Sage | :P | 14:18 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:19 |
| Stskeeps | morn crevetor | 14:19 |
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| Sage | http://review.merproject.org/181 | 14:20 |
| Sage | btw, it is ok to change from bz2 to xz tarballs? | 14:20 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 14:20 |
| Sage | ok, just wanted to confirm | 14:21 |
| Stskeeps | just as long as it's not the same version you're changing, makes security checks difficult :P | 14:21 |
| Sage | heh :) | 14:21 |
| Sage | yeah, well I change during the updates when ever possible | 14:22 |
| Sage | if upstream provides xz that is | 14:22 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:22 |
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| w00t | speaking of tarball changes - https://review.merproject.org/#patch,unified,181,1,GConf-3.1.3.tar.bz2 - why does the tarball change here? | 14:23 |
| * Sage offers w00t coffee | 14:23 | |
| Stskeeps | zero length? | 14:23 |
| * w00t shoots his fucking terminal | 14:23 | |
| w00t | why does this thing truncate opening links at #, despite highlighting them correctly | 14:24 |
| w00t | oh, right | 14:24 |
| w00t | erm | 14:24 |
| w00t | you never read this | 14:24 |
| w00t | *handwave* | 14:24 |
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| rlp10 | I want a full linux gnu user space on a phone. Have I come to the right place? | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | fairly, we use gcc, bash and coreutils | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | don't ask about dpkg though | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:29 |
| rlp10 | Stskeeps: cool, what phone would I need and where can I find my own information, so as not to waste your time? :) | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | rlp10: so, Mer is a core and hardware adaptations/UI is outside the project. However, there is projects like Nemo Mobile (wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo ) which takes Mer , adds a UI on top and runs on things like Nokia N900/N950/N9 | 14:32 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQLIjcYAMU is a video | 14:32 |
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| rlp10 | Stskeeps: great, I'll have a read and take it from there -- thanks for your time | 14:34 |
| Stskeeps | no problem, feel free to hang around | 14:35 |
| Stskeeps | #nemomobile also exists | 14:35 |
| * Stskeeps ponders about eglibc | 14:35 | |
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| Stskeeps | Sage: started DBC/SBC of gconf | 14:40 |
| * Stskeeps stares at http://review.merproject.org/150 | 14:41 | |
| Sage | o_0 | 14:42 |
| rlp10 | Stskeeps: how easy is it to port stuff over? for example mutt? vim? emacs? etc | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | rlp10: we're fairly compatible with fedora | 14:42 |
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| rlp10 | Stskeeps: ah, that sounds promising, but a user would have to compile each program, or is there package management? | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | rlp10: we use RPMs and something called OBS to do big distribution building, but the core itself is only like 317 packages | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | as we're more of an mobile target | 14:49 |
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| rlp10 | hitch hikers fans eh? (reading about OBS on maemo wiki) | 15:15 |
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| zumbi | rlp10: I am also trying to get started | 15:16 |
| rlp10 | zumbi: what device do you have? | 15:17 |
| phaeron | lbt: back now | 15:17 |
| zumbi | rlp10: I got a N900 and right now testing mer on pandaboard | 15:17 |
| phaeron | lbt: the prjconfs for released stable distros should not change. I am using debian mirror from osuol, that's next door right ? | 15:18 |
| zumbi | rlp10: but i am more a debian fun, so I wish to see mer-core working as .deb as well :) | 15:18 |
| phaeron | lbt: and if we hadn't faced problems with the suse link I wouldn't be spending time on this | 15:18 |
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| zumbi | rlp10: what device do you own? | 15:19 |
| zumbi | Sage: ayt? I got a bunch of kernel barfing testing your image on panda, not sure if you want feedback on that | 15:20 |
| kyb3R | Stskeeps: yeah, the first of those articles from NRC is familiar to me. | 15:20 |
| kyb3R | I have been in close contact with Imed for about 2 months now :) | 15:20 |
| kyb3R | we intend to do some operations together | 15:20 |
| kyb3R | they even provided some of their results about 3 weeks ago | 15:21 |
| Stskeeps | kyb3R: ah cool, i wouldn't mind a pdf copy | 15:23 |
| kyb3R | Stskeeps: ok | 15:29 |
| kyb3R | :) | 15:29 |
| Stskeeps | there's still a bit of university research employee in me :P | 15:29 |
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| kyb3R | the referred material is not there yet, but those will be available at http://www.open-coral.org:1480/material/ as soon as possible | 15:31 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 15:32 |
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| djszapi | Hi! Can someone give me please the content of /etc/issue on Mer ? | 16:03 |
| djszapi | We are in the mood of writing platform specific find modules for cmake, and it seems in general a good option for getting more information about the given platform. | 16:03 |
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| slaine | djszapi: | 16:12 |
| slaine | MeeGo release 1.2.90 (MeeGo) | 16:12 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. we're still fixing that one | 16:13 |
| Stskeeps | we didn't want to do invasive changes in Mer until we had testing up and running | 16:13 |
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| rlp10 | zumbi: :q | 16:17 |
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| djszapi | thanks. so what will be the fixed version of the /etc/issue ? | 16:38 |
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| Stskeeps | phaeron: i'm seeing some weird results in localdep against a linked project that is remote | 19:06 |
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| Stskeeps | http://qtl.merproject.org/a0669cb4-1b72-11e1-b97e-00163e6e0038.html | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | check build log for the failed one | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | linked project that is remote, == <link project="remoteurlproject" /> | 19:07 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: that too won't work | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 19:12 |
| phaeron | Stskeeps: I am trying to understand how the failed log has that | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | i thought it'd just fall back though | 19:13 |
| phaeron | it failed first ? or it failed because of the localdep ? | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | actually, this one is weirder | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | this is a localdep against a project where all packages are linkpac's to a remote link | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | and it just seems to loose packages | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | not sure if it's your patch or not causing it, re-running tests | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | (with your patch reverted) | 19:14 |
| phaeron | hmm linkpac. | 19:15 |
| phaeron | the code doesn't look for that | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | it shouldn't matter as the project has the binaries locally, i would think | 19:15 |
| phaeron | trying to read the code with linkpac context .. | 19:17 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: the patch doesn't touch the getbinaries function | 19:20 |
| phaeron | it probably should | 19:20 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, thought getbinaries was in worker | 19:25 |
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| phaeron | Stskeeps: worker getbinaries --> worker getbinaries_cache --> repserver getbinaries | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | ah fun | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | not very inventive with function names | 19:31 |
| phaeron | getbinaries_cache also calls a getbinariesversions for fun | 19:34 |
| phaeron | so can you explain your testcase so I know which path it hits and try to fix it :D | 19:35 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, Core:armv7l is a project that contains linkpac's only to fakeobs:Core:armv7l | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | and i've made home:merboss:DBC:blah which is a linked project with Core:armv7l, linkedbuild="localdep" and i modified gconf | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | fakeobs:* is the remote link | 19:39 |
| phaeron | I tried explaining nested kvm to someone and the reaction was "inception?". This feels a bit like that :D | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. | 19:41 |
| phaeron | sensorfw is a reverse dep that failed to rebuild ? | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | sensorfw uses gconf | 19:41 |
| phaeron | so it all worked for gconf and more but failed at sensorfw | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | which is awkward | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | lbt: rewriting release process.. | 20:02 |
| lbt | fixing appclient for meego - but quite interested | 20:03 |
| lbt | thought ... "what's the objective?" | 20:03 |
| Stskeeps | making something that's actually working ;) | 20:04 |
| lbt | pfft | 20:04 |
| lbt | who wants releases? what do they do with them? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | so, imagine we have two OBS projects, Core and Core:staging. these two correspond to master and staging branch in git | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | staging branch will have package updates come flowing at it all the time, one in a while pausing to let the OBS build finish up. CI tests for packages are done against Core:staging | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | once a week, master pulls staging, makes a prerelease, and we cherry-pick package updates from staging as to fix any stability issues, making a couple of more pre-releases as we go, until quality is ensured | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | we then make a release, tag master, wait for next week | 20:07 |
| Stskeeps | .. that's the gist of the release process | 20:08 |
| lbt | so ... release off master? | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:10 |
| lbt | In general I'd see releases coming from branches off master - not master itself | 20:10 |
| lbt | that permits a subsequent fixup patch to a release | 20:10 |
| lbt | and generalises to 'stable' releases with maintenance | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | i'm doing this for technical reasons as creating a new project off a branch for release would require a total rebuild | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | so it's with builder time in mind | 20:11 |
| lbt | mmmk.... not the best reason | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/releaseprocess.png | 20:12 |
| lbt | if master pulls staging | 20:12 |
| lbt | then cherry picks | 20:13 |
| lbt | the next time staging is pulled you'll merge | 20:13 |
| lbt | which isn't pretty | 20:13 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, okay, i could see how we could actually do branching | 20:13 |
| lbt | I want piratepad to have a whiteboard | 20:14 |
| lbt | ascii art? | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | the first mer app: wall whiteboard | 20:14 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:14 |
| * lbt thinks of lcuk's shared drawing app :( | 20:15 | |
| Stskeeps | side track: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/26/2587018/more-exodesk-details-10-point-touch-apps | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | 1299$ | 20:15 |
| w00t | I wonder if it would pass the boobie test | 20:15 |
| lbt | why does it have a mouse on it? | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | bad artist | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | there's a better video around | 20:16 |
| Stskeeps | i wouldn't mind that as a mer target | 20:17 |
| lbt | it's not very mobile | 20:17 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: so, what would you like to have master content be equal to? | 20:18 |
| lbt | Mer ... for mobile devices (and you we don't mind if you use a truck) | 20:18 |
| lbt | I see master as the continuous stream of accepted commits | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | accepted as being accepted changes merged to packages? | 20:18 |
| lbt | yes - for CI to work we need (I think) linearity | 20:19 |
| lbt | we can do things to optimise multiple commits but in the end we want a linear list of commits | 20:19 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, when we do a prerelease, we branch master, and then what? | 20:20 |
| lbt | then a (pre-)release takes a certain point and becomes another linear list | 20:20 |
| lbt | if no fixups then it's a point on master | 20:20 |
| lbt | if we need a fixup (even post-release or in-house in vendor) ... it's a branch with a cherry pick | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:21 |
| lbt | vendors may apply private patches to each release | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind this is weekly release, not major release | 20:21 |
| lbt | yes | 20:21 |
| Stskeeps | though same principle would apply | 20:22 |
| lbt | yes - that's the idea | 20:22 |
| lbt | we may not do major releases | 20:22 |
| lbt | but each vendor may pick a (different) weekly release to go gold on | 20:22 |
| Stskeeps | so, i'm a vendor and i just got told of the 0.1 release branch i switch to that, can i be sure that when 0.2 comes, that i can linearly move to that? | 20:23 |
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| lbt | you can't no | 20:23 |
| lbt | does it matter? | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'm pondering if it does | 20:25 |
| lbt | at this point you're using mer-release-system to rsync in a new base | 20:25 |
| Stskeeps | does it matter for the vendor who hacks the core? | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | i guess they can technically rebase | 20:26 |
| lbt | I was going to say - they rebase anyhow | 20:26 |
| Stskeeps | would that work with git? | 20:27 |
| Stskeeps | ie, jump from one release branch to another | 20:27 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess it would | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | okay, back to the drawing board | 20:28 |
| lbt | can't see why not | 20:28 |
| Stskeeps | regarding major releases: i think at some point we'll reach a point where we can't both ensure quality and do invasive changes, reaching towards stabilization of one branch and a new branch for development | 20:29 |
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| lbt | yes - this is where we want to keep master as next release | 20:29 |
| Stskeeps | mm | 20:30 |
| lbt | but guess what... | 20:30 |
| lbt | the same processes we applied to 'master' | 20:30 |
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| lbt | can apply to 'rc' | 20:30 |
| lbt | so we can issue rc-release | 20:30 |
| lbt | and .... bifurcation | 20:30 |
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| lbt | master isn't special.... *all* branches should be linear | 20:31 |
| lbt | it depends which one you pick to label master :) | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | okay, back to the drawing board then, though i think we're getting somewhere :P | 20:35 |
| Stskeeps | think i have some thoughts on how we can do this practically now | 20:35 |
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| rlinfati | Hi, how i install mer on n950? i flash moslo, mkfs to sdb, untar, cp cmdline-* cmdline, cp vmlinuz- vmlinuz.... but not boot | 20:44 |
| rlinfati | also, i see the cmdline say root=mmcblk0p4.. and i try with 3, but nothing happens | 20:45 |
| rlinfati | i use ext4 | 20:45 |
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| felipec | anyone has a functioning configuration for the Linux kernel that boots the N900? | 21:29 |
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| ScriptRipper | Hi felipec | 22:00 |
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| felipec | ScriptRipper: how's everything? :) | 22:14 |
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| ScriptRipper | good :) | 22:27 |
| ScriptRipper | great to see you here | 22:27 |
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| _av500_ | hi felipec :) | 22:29 |
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| felipec | _av500_: hi there | 23:03 |
| felipec | looks like nobody has an n900 kernel config :( | 23:03 |
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