Wednesday, 2011-11-30

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Hurrianhmm, how do i compile the kernel?00:51
Hurrianthe cmdline is hardcoded (a bad idea in the first place) - and i don't want to use mmcblk1p1 as root00:52
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iekkumorning04:21
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wmaroneso I've got a .ks file to experiment with, and am trying to build a hardfp image with plasma. However, mic is grousing about needing qemu-arm-static version >= 0.1304:26
wmaronewhat's the best way to go about getting that (ubuntu 10.10)04:26
cxl000download a newer version extract the binary and drop it in or download the source and compile04:33
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dm8tbrmoaning05:17
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wmaronecxl000: thanks for the oversimplification05:36
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Stskeepswmarone: it's a static binary so just steal from any distro06:04
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Stskeepsmorn phaeron06:23
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phaeronStskeeps: morning06:29
Stskeepsphaeron: any progress on remoteurl-able buildinfo?06:37
phaeronno sorry we had planning whole day yesterday06:38
Stskeepsalright, no need to apologize :)06:38
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phaeronSage: I deployed yesterday's demoed stuff. ping if anything goes crazy :D07:10
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phaeronfamous last words: it's been thoroughly tested, what could go wrong ?07:11
Stskeepsyeah..07:12
Stskeepsi love how qemu can be flaky at times07:20
Stskeepson occasion it freaks out at a utime call, other times it doesn't07:21
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phaeronlbt: morning07:28
Stskeepspaulsherwood: how's baserock coming along?07:29
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phaeronlbt: can you please create a Debian:6.0 toplevel (or maybe Distro: foo) I would like to use download on demand (which is already enabled in the backend it appears)07:31
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phaeronlbt: I am trying it out in my home:07:55
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phaeronlbt: it woyks08:06
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* phaeron waits for lbt to react08:17
Stskeepsi doubt he's awake08:17
Stskeeps:P08:17
Jucatohe needs coffee?08:18
Jucato@_@08:19
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phaeronthe thing is with download on demand we can use the closest distro mirror and not depend on the opensuse.org remote link for those static distros08:21
* phaeron just used my own addrepos osc plugin .. shweet08:22
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SageStskeeps: btw, what is the proper twitter tag for Mer?09:17
SageI've used #mer but I guess that is not the one :)09:17
Stskeeps#merproject is what i generally use09:17
Sageok, need to start using that one09:17
SageStskeeps, dm8tbr: http://pastie.org/2943079 \o/09:17
Stskeepswhat's /etc/boardname ?09:18
Sageupdated pastie09:18
Stskeepsalso, really, snowball is single core?09:18
Stskeepsah nevermind09:18
* Sage hands more coffee to Stskeeps 09:19
Sagehttp://pastie.org/2943115 no Xorg yet :/09:22
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Stskeepsprogress09:25
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Stskeepslooks like a kernel issue though09:25
Sagegood change it is that09:26
dm8tbrSage: wooohooo09:27
* dm8tbr goes to tell jukka09:28
Sagedm8tbr: it was actually quite easy. Snowball just didn't like the first three sd cards I had (kingston) :/09:29
dm8tbrd'ohhhhhh09:29
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Sageso did last try with the class 10 trancend card from my n900 and there it was :)09:29
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* Sage goes to lunch.09:31
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Stskeepsout of memory on x86 build compiling qemu09:34
Stskeepswow09:34
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* lbt has used #merproj as it was shorter Sage09:50
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lbtphaeron: I have no problem with DoD ... but what benefit do we get? I'm not aware that we've ever had a problem with opensuse links to their Debian project.09:51
lbtAnd this way we need to setup DoD to a reliable mirror for every distro - and we need to get the prjconfs... and we need to keep them updated....09:52
lbtseems like a lot of effort for almost no benefit09:52
paulsherwoodstskeeps - hi, it's coming... doing software right always takes longer than you think :-)09:55
Stskeepsyeah, i know the feeling09:56
paulsherwoodi'm sorry i missed you guys at the conf09:56
Stskeeps:nod: our fault too09:56
Stskeepswe've been busy with our processes and infra as well09:57
paulsherwoodwill you be at fosdem?09:57
Stskeepsyes, actually, we have a devroom, open mobile linux09:58
Stskeepsnot mer specific but i suspect a lot of mer discussion/content09:58
paulsherwoodok cool... lars will definitely be there, and by then we should have enough to show as well as talk about09:58
Stskeepsyep09:59
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Stskeepsbergie: should we put together an announcement for open mobile linux devroom?10:03
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SageStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/rdiff?opackage=meego-release&oproject=Mer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&package=meego-release&project=home%3Asage%3Abranches%3AMer%3Afake%3ACore%3Aarmv7hl&rev=210:30
SageStskeeps: content would be ok except the RPM certificate10:33
Sagesry, rpm gpg key10:33
Stskeepsmakes sense yeah10:33
Sagethat would fix the welcome text :)10:33
SageI'm trying that soon.10:33
Sageo_010:35
Sagewhat is going on with cobs10:35
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Sagelbt, X-Fade: harmattan builds seem to take over almost whole cobs10:35
X-FadeSage: trying to find out.10:36
X-FadeSage: OBS being mysterious again :)10:36
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SageStskeeps: do you have the GPG key for the repos somewhere btw?10:36
Stskeepsno, we don't have any atm intentionally10:36
Stskeepsuntil i've set up a secure signing10:37
Sageok10:37
SageI wonder if that meego key should be removed for now10:37
Sageit doesn't give us any benefit I guess10:37
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lbtX-Fade: OK - lets look at this OBS issue10:45
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X-Fadelbt: Let's.10:48
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vgradearc_mat, wlan progress (or not) here, http://pastie.org/2940186 .  git://git.omapzoom.org/platform/hardware/ti/wlan.git does not build with archos kernel and instructions have broken links.  Think I might change tack and investigate more modern kernel.10:58
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arc_matvgrade: hi10:59
arc_matvgrade: that doesn't look like a problem with the kernel11:00
arc_matvgrade: I think it's due to a configuration issue11:00
vgradearc_mat, nvs11:00
arc_matvgrade: there are several options on how to clock the wl1271, the default is a TCXO, but we're using an 38.4MHz XO11:00
arc_matvgrade: maybe the config is incorrect. ELP wakeup timeout sounds like that11:01
vgradearc_mat and that configuration is set where? in the nvs?11:06
arc_matvgrade: there or in the kernel11:06
arc_matvgrade: actually, it should have been in the patches I emailed you11:07
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vgradearc_mat, patches are in11:07
arc_matvgrade: WL12XX: set platform data for wl12xx driver <- this one11:08
Sagearc_mat, vgrade: omap4 wlan?11:08
arc_matyes11:08
Sagelet me know how that turns out I'm missing that from my panda as well :)11:09
arc_matSage: argh. I hoped you had the silver bullet at hand ;)11:09
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arc_matSage: there was a nice workshop at ELCE in Prague about panda wlan11:10
arc_matvgrade: I'm currently also working on upgrading the kernel, to 3.011:11
arc_matwell 3.0.811:11
arc_mattough.11:11
SageI have 3.1 kernel on my panda, and haven't really tried the wifi yet11:11
Sagequickly tryied with n950 firmware but didn't work11:11
arc_matSage: that should actually work out of the box11:11
arc_matSage: but not with the n950 firmware11:12
arc_matSage: the driver release is pretty tightly coupled with the firmware11:12
Sageah, ok well need to pull the firmware out from ubuntu or something then I guess11:12
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dm8tbrSage: did you twitter anything about snowball?11:13
arc_matSage: the firmware should be publicly available somewhere11:15
SageStskeeps: http://review.merproject.org/17911:15
Stskeepsok11:16
Sagejust noted that in rpm packages the vendor string was wrong. Hopefully that fixes that.11:18
Sagehmmp... again one of my armv7l repos has been 15mins in needs recalculation state :/11:19
vgradearc_mat, that patch is in and I don't get pr_err("Error setting wl12xx data\n"); so looks to have setup correctly11:19
arc_matvgrade: ok, that is strange11:19
SageStskeeps: and the release stuff http://review.merproject.org/18011:20
Stskeepsok11:20
vgradearc_mat, as you can see from the pastie I'm also getting pr_debug("Powering %s wifi", (enable ? "on" : "off"));11:22
arc_matvgrade: yes, I saw that.11:22
arc_matvgrade: it looks OK, also the communication between CPU and wl1271 is OK, because the firmware upload worked11:22
arc_matvgrade: could there be a version mismatch between firmware and driver?11:23
arc_matvgrade: the driver you compiled is from inside the kernel source?11:24
arc_matvgrade: because that one I never, ever tried11:24
vgradearc_mat, well I was using the files from http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.wireless.general/56411 as these were the only ones which I could find with nvs == 80011:24
vgradearc_mat, yes driver from kernel source11:25
vgradekicks himself for nit attending the plandaboard wlan talk, looks for presentation11:28
arc_matvgrade: http://git.omapzoom.org/?p=platform/hardware/ti/wlan.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/p-ics-mr011:29
arc_matvgrade: this is the one that doesn't compile?11:29
arc_matvgrade: because I'm pretty sure I tried it11:29
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vgradearc_mat, let me double check11:31
bergieStskeeps: yes, we should11:32
SageStskeeps: did we have something else that said MeeGo still?11:32
bergie(devroom announcement, that is)11:32
Stskeepsbergie: do you have any initial draft or should i cook one up?11:32
StskeepsSage: rpm configs11:32
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Sageah11:34
Stskeepsgenerally we're bound to break a lot of stuff :)11:35
Sagebut isn't meego-rmp-configs same as rpm-configs?11:35
vgradearc_mat, http://pastie.org/294352511:36
StskeepsSage: no11:36
arc_matvgrade: that is the wrong driver ;)11:37
arc_matvgrade: the one we need builds from the mac80211 directory ;)11:37
arc_matafk, lunch11:39
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vgradedoh11:43
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SageStskeeps: btw, the ca-certificates in CE:MW:Shared is probably the one you want to take to Mer atm.11:52
SageI would submit it but creating new packages isn't in any guides AFAIK11:53
Stskeepsyes11:53
SageStskeeps: Welcome to Mer release 0.2011 (Mer)!12:04
Sage:)12:04
Stskeepswoo12:04
SageStskeeps: that 0.2011 is static atm.12:04
SageStskeeps: probably your build machinery could change it before the release or something?12:05
Stskeepsyeah.. maybe12:05
Sagewhat is the most fun part of Mer is that I have different hardware every now and then but still test the same packages :D12:06
Sageatm. I'm testing with snowball :P12:06
Stskeepsyeah, we have it nicely portable12:07
Sageand most importantly the ports do not touch core thus break others :)12:07
SageStskeeps: btw, the xorg is up and xterm on the screen.12:09
Stskeepscool :)12:09
Stskeepsqmlviewer?12:09
Sagesoftware rendering atm.12:09
Stskeepsthat's fine12:09
Stskeepsqt4 doesn't mandate gles for qmlviewer12:09
Sagealso the alignment is off quite a bit :)12:09
Sagecan see only part of the xterm :P12:09
Stskeepshehe12:10
SageI'm guessing that it pushes fullhd on my hdready screen12:10
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SageStskeeps: I'm pushing the alsa-utils to CE:Utils for now. Feel free to pick it up from there to Mer Core if you decided to go that way.12:24
Stskeepsok12:24
Stskeepsyes, i am12:24
Stskeepsif there's stuff that should be merged, can you add it architectual backlog?12:24
Stskeepsand point to where to pick it up12:24
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SageStskeeps: qmlviewer works btw12:40
Stskeepsok, god12:41
Stskeepsgood12:41
Sageone bad thing with snowball is that it doesn't have USB port so I can't attach devices to it because I don't have mini-USB OTG cable12:41
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Sageo_012:45
SageProblem: solvable gconf-3.1.3-2.1.Mer.armv7l conflicts with GConf-dbus provided by itself12:45
Sagesay what12:45
SageStskeeps: ^12:46
Stskeepsermm12:46
Stskeeps:P12:46
Sagewith the latest mer12:46
Stskeepsdid we admit any changes to gconf?12:47
SageAFAIK no12:47
Stskeepsrpm -qp .rpm --provide12:48
Stskeepss12:48
Stskeeps?12:48
Sagehow to download rpm with zypper to local disk?12:48
Sagewithout installin it12:49
Stskeepscan't recall at this point12:49
SageNOTE to self: if zypper update is going to update connman don't do it over network connection.12:50
Sageuse screen, console or device itself :P12:51
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Stskeepsyeah..12:52
Stskeeps:P12:52
Sagethere isn't zypper download or anything?12:53
Stskeepshttp://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Zypper_usage_11.312:53
Sageapparently not12:55
SageStskeeps: http://pastie.org/294382412:56
Sageoh, come on12:57
Sagewho did that packaging :D12:57
Sagehttp://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/gconf.git;a=blob;f=gconf.spec;h=cd4d324784591b5e9efd8b502b7e13ee44f9ea12;hb=HEAD#l3612:57
Stskeepsno clue12:58
Stskeepssomeone from debian?12:58
SageI can install it fine with rpm but zypper doesn't like it :)12:58
Stskeepsbut why do we first see it now?12:58
Stskeeps:P12:58
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Sageso as long as it is installed on the system during mic nobody notices12:59
Stskeepsah\12:59
Sageat times it would be a good to install just the minimal system with kernel and try to use zypper to install rest :)13:00
* Sage checks if fedora has same kind of thing13:01
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Sagehmmp13:05
Sagefedora has only Conflicts: GConf2-dbus13:05
Sagetime for an update then13:07
Stskeepsthe conflicts/provides/obsoletes is a debianism i think13:07
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Sagewell, that would work here as well if there would be version numbers13:07
Stskeepsyes13:08
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SageUpdating to 3.2.3 and fixing the packaging and adding .yaml13:18
Sagebtw, anyone checked why on exopc and wetab the x86 blanks the screen and never comes back?13:21
Sageerr... wrong chan13:21
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Sagelbt, X-Fade: harmattan taking much resources again13:37
Stskeepsthey switched SDK so that's expected13:38
Stskeepsjust like when we update mer13:39
Sagehmmp13:39
SageStskeeps: https://build.pub.meego.com/monitor click for example the fmrx in worker 0313:40
SageI would say something is not right13:40
Sagesame goes for other harmattan compiles. No log but still taking workers13:40
Stskeeps:nod:13:41
X-FadeYes, workers seem to wait in the fetch packages stage.13:44
X-FadeWeird thing is that about 10 percent of those builds do work normally and the others seem to timeout.13:45
Sagehmmp... I think that my problems with armv7el scheduler are possibly because of that harmattan stall13:47
Stskeepsprobably ,yeah13:48
X-FadeSage: Most likely, scheduler isn't parallel or async.13:48
Sagegconf.i586: W: package-with-huge-translation  90%13:49
Sage:P13:50
SageStskeeps: should we cut out those?13:51
Stskeepsgladly13:51
Sageyou had example of that?13:52
Stskeepsnot off hang, i think there's a macro for lang packages13:52
* Sage checks13:53
Sagethere is po/LINGUAS file13:54
Stskeepsbrb, reboot13:54
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SageStskeeps: so patch everything else out from this file except en* http://pastie.org/294404313:55
Stskeepswell, en_US in primary package, rest in -lang?13:57
Stskeepskyb3R: http://twitter.com/NokiaResearch - two newest publications13:58
SageStskeeps: looks better http://pastie.org/294406513:59
Stskeeps:nod:13:59
Sagehmmp... there is no en_US in gconf14:00
Sagehttp://pastie.org/294407814:00
Sageonly en_CA and en_GB14:01
Stskeepsheh, someone likes the british ;)14:01
Stskeepsjust add a -lang package then14:01
Stskeepswith all of them in14:01
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Sagegrr...14:05
Sagespectacle has automatization for that and guess if that like me to move those to another package :P14:05
Sageah, NoAutoLocale14:06
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SageOverall download size: 1.8 MiB. After the operation, additional 5.9 MiB will be used.14:17
SageOverall download size: 220.0 KiB. After the operation, additional 500.0 KiB will be used.14:18
Sage:P14:18
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Stskeepsyeah..14:19
Stskeeps:P14:19
Stskeepsmorn crevetor14:19
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Sagehttp://review.merproject.org/18114:20
Sagebtw, it is ok to change from bz2 to xz tarballs?14:20
Stskeepsyes14:20
Sageok, just wanted to confirm14:21
Stskeepsjust as long as it's not the same version you're changing, makes security checks difficult :P14:21
Sageheh :)14:21
Sageyeah, well I change during the updates when ever possible14:22
Sageif upstream provides xz that is14:22
Stskeeps:nod:14:22
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w00tspeaking of tarball changes - https://review.merproject.org/#patch,unified,181,1,GConf-3.1.3.tar.bz2 - why does the tarball change here?14:23
* Sage offers w00t coffee14:23
Stskeepszero length?14:23
* w00t shoots his fucking terminal14:23
w00twhy does this thing truncate opening links at #, despite highlighting them correctly14:24
w00toh, right14:24
w00term14:24
w00tyou never read this14:24
w00t*handwave*14:24
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rlp10I want a full linux gnu user space on a phone. Have I come to the right place?14:29
Stskeepsfairly, we use gcc, bash and coreutils14:29
Stskeepsdon't ask about dpkg though14:29
Stskeeps:P14:29
rlp10Stskeeps: cool, what phone would I need and where can I find my own information, so as not to waste your time? :)14:31
Stskeepsrlp10: so, Mer is a core and hardware adaptations/UI is outside the project. However, there is projects like Nemo Mobile (wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo ) which takes Mer , adds a UI on top and runs on things like Nokia N900/N950/N914:32
Stskeepshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxQLIjcYAMU is a video14:32
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rlp10Stskeeps: great, I'll have a read and take it from there -- thanks for your time14:34
Stskeepsno problem, feel free to hang around14:35
Stskeeps#nemomobile also exists14:35
* Stskeeps ponders about eglibc14:35
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StskeepsSage: started DBC/SBC of gconf14:40
* Stskeeps stares at http://review.merproject.org/15014:41
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rlp10Stskeeps: how easy is it to port stuff over? for example mutt? vim? emacs? etc14:42
Stskeepsrlp10: we're fairly compatible with fedora14:42
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rlp10Stskeeps: ah, that sounds promising, but a user would have to compile each program, or is there package management?14:49
Stskeepsrlp10: we use RPMs and something called OBS to do big distribution building, but the core itself is only like 317 packages14:49
Stskeepsas we're more of an mobile target14:49
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rlp10hitch hikers fans eh? (reading about OBS on maemo wiki)15:15
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zumbirlp10: I am also trying to get started15:16
rlp10zumbi: what device do you have?15:17
phaeronlbt: back now15:17
zumbirlp10: I got a N900 and right now testing mer on pandaboard15:17
phaeronlbt: the prjconfs for released stable distros should not change. I am using debian mirror from osuol, that's next door right ?15:18
zumbirlp10: but i am more a debian fun, so I wish to see mer-core working as .deb as well :)15:18
phaeronlbt: and if we hadn't faced problems with the suse link I wouldn't be spending time on this15:18
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zumbirlp10: what device do you own?15:19
zumbiSage: ayt? I got a bunch of kernel barfing testing your image on panda, not sure if you want feedback on that15:20
kyb3RStskeeps: yeah, the first of those articles from NRC is familiar to me.15:20
kyb3RI have been in close contact with Imed for about 2 months now :)15:20
kyb3Rwe intend to do some operations together15:20
kyb3Rthey even provided some of their results about 3 weeks ago15:21
Stskeepskyb3R: ah cool, i wouldn't mind a pdf copy15:23
kyb3RStskeeps: ok15:29
kyb3R:)15:29
Stskeepsthere's still a bit of university research employee in me :P15:29
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kyb3Rthe referred material is not there yet, but those will be available at http://www.open-coral.org:1480/material/ as soon as possible15:31
Stskeepsok15:32
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djszapiHi! Can someone give me please the content of /etc/issue on Mer ?16:03
djszapiWe are in the mood of writing platform specific find modules for cmake, and it seems in general a good option for getting more information about the given platform.16:03
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slainedjszapi:16:12
slaineMeeGo release 1.2.90 (MeeGo)16:12
Stskeepsyeah.. we're still fixing that one16:13
Stskeepswe didn't want to do invasive changes in Mer until we had testing up and running16:13
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rlp10zumbi: :q16:17
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djszapithanks. so what will be the fixed version of the /etc/issue ?16:38
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Stskeepsphaeron: i'm seeing some weird results in localdep against a linked project that is remote19:06
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Stskeepshttp://qtl.merproject.org/a0669cb4-1b72-11e1-b97e-00163e6e0038.html19:06
Stskeepscheck build log for the failed one19:06
Stskeepslinked project that is remote, == <link project="remoteurlproject" />19:07
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phaeronStskeeps: that too won't work19:12
Stskeepsok19:12
phaeronStskeeps: I am trying to understand how the failed log has that19:12
Stskeepsi thought it'd just fall back though19:13
phaeronit failed first ? or it failed because of the localdep ?19:13
Stskeepsactually, this one is weirder19:14
Stskeepsthis is a localdep against a project where all packages are linkpac's to a remote link19:14
Stskeepsand it just seems to loose packages19:14
Stskeepsnot sure if it's your patch or not causing it, re-running tests19:14
Stskeeps(with your patch reverted)19:14
phaeronhmm linkpac.19:15
phaeronthe code doesn't look for that19:15
Stskeepsit shouldn't matter as the project has the binaries locally, i would think19:15
phaerontrying to read the code with linkpac context ..19:17
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phaeronStskeeps: the patch doesn't touch the getbinaries function19:20
phaeronit probably should19:20
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Stskeepsok, thought getbinaries was in worker19:25
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phaeronStskeeps: worker getbinaries --> worker getbinaries_cache --> repserver getbinaries19:31
Stskeepsah fun19:31
Stskeepsnot very inventive with function names19:31
phaerongetbinaries_cache also calls a getbinariesversions for fun19:34
phaeronso can you explain your testcase so I know which path it hits and try to fix it :D19:35
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Stskeepsok, Core:armv7l is a project that contains linkpac's only to fakeobs:Core:armv7l19:38
Stskeepsand i've made home:merboss:DBC:blah which is a linked project with Core:armv7l, linkedbuild="localdep" and i modified gconf19:39
Stskeepsfakeobs:* is the remote link19:39
phaeronI tried explaining nested kvm to someone and the reaction was "inception?". This feels a bit like that :D19:40
Stskeepsyeah..19:41
phaeronsensorfw is a reverse dep that failed to rebuild ?19:41
Stskeepsyes19:41
Stskeepssensorfw uses gconf19:41
phaeronso it all worked for gconf and more but failed at sensorfw19:42
Stskeepsyes19:42
Stskeepswhich is awkward19:42
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Stskeepslbt: rewriting release process..20:02
lbtfixing appclient for meego - but quite interested20:03
lbtthought ... "what's the objective?"20:03
Stskeepsmaking something that's actually working ;)20:04
lbtpfft20:04
lbtwho wants releases? what do they do with them?20:04
Stskeepsso, imagine we have two OBS projects, Core and Core:staging. these two correspond to master and staging branch in git20:05
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Stskeepsstaging branch will have package updates come flowing at it all the time, one in a while pausing to let the OBS build finish up. CI tests for packages are done against Core:staging20:06
Stskeepsonce a week, master pulls staging, makes a prerelease, and we cherry-pick package updates from staging as to fix any stability issues, making a couple of more pre-releases as we go, until quality is ensured20:07
Stskeepswe then make a release, tag master, wait for next week20:07
Stskeeps.. that's the gist of the release process20:08
lbtso ... release off master?20:09
Stskeepsright20:10
lbtIn general I'd see releases coming from branches off master - not master itself20:10
lbtthat permits a subsequent fixup patch to a release20:10
lbtand generalises to 'stable' releases with maintenance20:11
Stskeepsi'm doing this for technical reasons as creating a new project off a branch for release would require a total rebuild20:11
Stskeepsso it's with builder time in mind20:11
lbtmmmk.... not the best reason20:11
Stskeepshttp://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/releaseprocess.png20:12
lbtif master pulls staging20:12
lbtthen cherry picks20:13
lbtthe next time staging is pulled you'll merge20:13
lbtwhich isn't pretty20:13
Stskeepsyeah, okay, i could see how we could actually do branching20:13
lbtI want piratepad to have a whiteboard20:14
lbtascii art?20:14
Stskeepsthe first mer app: wall whiteboard20:14
Stskeeps:P20:14
* lbt thinks of lcuk's shared drawing app :(20:15
Stskeepsside track: http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/26/2587018/more-exodesk-details-10-point-touch-apps20:15
Stskeeps1299$20:15
w00tI wonder if it would pass the boobie test20:15
lbtwhy does it have a mouse on it?20:16
Stskeepsbad artist20:16
Stskeeps:P20:16
Stskeepsthere's a better video around20:16
Stskeepsi wouldn't mind that as a mer target20:17
lbtit's not very mobile20:17
Stskeepslbt: so, what would you like to have master content be equal to?20:18
lbtMer ... for mobile devices (and you we don't mind if you use a truck)20:18
lbtI see master as the continuous stream of accepted commits20:18
Stskeepsaccepted as being accepted changes merged to packages?20:18
lbtyes - for CI to work we need (I think) linearity20:19
lbtwe can do things to optimise multiple commits but in the end we want a linear list of commits20:19
Stskeepsokay, so, when we do a prerelease, we branch master, and then what?20:20
lbtthen a (pre-)release takes a certain point and becomes another linear list20:20
lbtif no fixups then it's a point on master20:20
lbtif we need a fixup (even post-release or in-house in vendor) ... it's a branch with a cherry pick20:21
Stskeepsok20:21
lbtvendors may apply private patches to each release20:21
Stskeepskeep in mind this is weekly release, not major release20:21
lbtyes20:21
Stskeepsthough same principle would apply20:22
lbtyes - that's the idea20:22
lbtwe may not do major releases20:22
lbtbut each vendor may pick a (different) weekly release to go gold on20:22
Stskeepsso, i'm a vendor and i just got told of the 0.1 release branch i switch to that, can i be sure that when 0.2 comes, that i can linearly move to that?20:23
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lbtyou can't no20:23
lbtdoes it matter?20:24
Stskeepsi'm pondering if it does20:25
lbtat this point you're using mer-release-system to rsync in a new base20:25
Stskeepsdoes it matter for the vendor who hacks the core?20:26
Stskeepsi guess they can technically rebase20:26
lbtI was going to say - they rebase anyhow20:26
Stskeepswould that work with git?20:27
Stskeepsie, jump from one release branch to another20:27
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Stskeepsi guess it would20:28
Stskeepsokay, back to the drawing board20:28
lbtcan't see why not20:28
Stskeepsregarding major releases: i think at some point we'll reach a point where we can't both ensure quality and do invasive changes, reaching towards stabilization of one branch and a new branch for development20:29
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lbtyes - this is where we want to keep master as next release20:29
Stskeepsmm20:30
lbtbut guess what...20:30
lbtthe same processes we applied to 'master'20:30
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lbtcan apply to 'rc'20:30
lbtso we can issue rc-release20:30
lbtand .... bifurcation20:30
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lbtmaster isn't special.... *all* branches should be linear20:31
lbtit depends which one you pick to label master :)20:32
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Stskeepsokay, back to the drawing board then, though i think we're getting somewhere :P20:35
Stskeepsthink i have some thoughts on how we can do this practically now20:35
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rlinfatiHi, how i install mer on n950? i flash moslo, mkfs to sdb, untar, cp cmdline-* cmdline, cp vmlinuz- vmlinuz.... but not boot20:44
rlinfatialso, i see the cmdline say root=mmcblk0p4.. and i try with 3, but nothing happens20:45
rlinfatii use ext420:45
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felipecanyone has a functioning configuration for the Linux kernel that boots the N900?21:29
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ScriptRipperHi felipec22:00
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felipecScriptRipper: hello22:13
felipecScriptRipper: how's everything? :)22:14
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ScriptRippergood :)22:27
ScriptRippergreat to see you here22:27
* felipec saves the channel :)22:28
_av500_hi felipec :)22:29
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Sagezumbi: hi. Feedback is always welcome especially if you found a problem and know solution for that :)22:35
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* Sage hope he has time to prepare image for snowball tomorrow evening as this evening the time just ran out :/22:36
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felipec_av500_: hi there23:03
felipeclooks like nobody has an n900 kernel config :(23:03
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