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| lainwir3d | hi o/ | 08:53 |
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| Venemo | hey guys | 09:34 |
| Venemo | what's up with TOHKBD? | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | o/ | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | it's awesome | 09:34 |
| Azog | the fit is not really tight, is this normal? | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | i discovered a hidden feature: it helps keeping the phone between your ear and your shoulder | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | it's quite tight for me... | 09:34 |
| ggabriel | don't expect the same fit as the original toh as the plastic is different | 09:35 |
| Azog | the fit of the keyboard to the OH | 09:35 |
| ggabriel | i notice that the kbd part is slightly lifted compared to the other bit | 09:36 |
| ggabriel | but otherwise it's fine | 09:36 |
| Azog | can you hold the phone, when you just grip the keyboard? | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | upside down? yes | 09:37 |
| Venemo | well | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | if i shake it, i notice it kind of tries to open, but it doesn't | 09:37 |
| Venemo | I saw on the website that I can no longer order one | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | depends how hard you shake ofc | 09:37 |
| Venemo | meh. | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: oh, no, you're late in that case | 09:37 |
| Venemo | why? aren't they planning to make more of it? | 09:37 |
| ggabriel | i heard that one changed hands on ebay for twice the original price | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | there is no reason, except that there will be no more | 09:38 |
| Yaniel | wasn't it pretty much a oneshot batch anyway | 09:38 |
| Azog | it doesn't hold at the slightest shake | 09:38 |
| Venemo | but why not? | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | ask dirk | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | i suppose it's too much work | 09:38 |
| Venemo | it's a successful project, so why discontinue it? | 09:38 |
| ggabriel | Venemo: dunno really, all i can say is speculation | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | Azog: ok, so you can hold it, but not shake it | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | it depends on how hard you shake | 09:39 |
| ggabriel | i've just shaken mine harder and it detached | 09:40 |
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| Azog | is dirk on the chaoscamp? would be the easiest way to ask him, if everything is ok | 09:40 |
| ggabriel | i don't think he's finished yet | 09:41 |
| ggabriel | and he may go on a well deserved holiday after that ;) | 09:41 |
| Lipevakala | One azerty for sale? http://talk.maemo.org/showtread.php?t=95791 | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | 404 | 09:45 |
| ggabriel | you missed an h :P | 09:46 |
| Lipevakala | Sorry for that. | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | it's sad that some people want to sell it due to needing cash | 09:46 |
| ggabriel | then again, they'll get more cash so i guess that's ok | 09:46 |
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| ggabriel | Venemo: btw, one thing you can do is build it yourself. dirk said that he has keypads that he may be able to sell, but ask him if interested | 09:50 |
| ggabriel | there's #jollatohkbd | 09:50 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | https://twitter.com/SfietKonstantin/status/627054222387859456 <-- comments discussions ? | 10:12 |
| lainwir3d | please. no. | 10:17 |
| Lieke | i prefer the cloud on my odroid | 10:18 |
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| urs | I thought cloud means that you neither know nor care where your data physically resides | 10:24 |
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| ggabriel | no, you actually do care where it is | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | e.g., eu vs us | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | for distance, data protection and so on | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | i mean, most people don't care | 10:24 |
| urs | so... ifI neither know nor care where my phone is... that means my phone is in the cloud? | 10:24 |
| ggabriel | but you should care if you know stuff | 10:25 |
| ggabriel | i'd say your phone is in limbo | 10:25 |
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| Teemu | SfietKonstantinW: somehow like chromeos phone or ffoxos phone? everything works only when you're connected? | 10:39 |
| Teemu | all fine and dandy when all is fine but when you're out of network it'd bug the hell out of me to not be able to take any kind of notes or receive via human speech anybodys phone number or anything | 10:40 |
| Teemu | no calendar and no alarm clock either | 10:40 |
| Teemu | it's nice to have cloud services connected to local services but having only cloud... pfft | 10:41 |
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| Pawky | my jolla phone has som e yellowish part on the righte side in the middle, viewable when the screen is all white. Am I alone? | 10:48 |
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| Pawky | And isn't it ironic the youtube clip regarding the jolla tablet 2.0 isn't viewable using the jolla browser due to unrecognizeable mime type... duh.. | 10:49 |
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| chem|st | Pawky: yellowish is hw defect, if your are still in warranty, send it in | 10:51 |
| chem|st | Pawky: and what clip? | 10:51 |
| Pawky | the clip promoted by the jolla tablet news mail... | 10:51 |
| chem|st | Pawky: you need to update you youtube settings maybe | 10:52 |
| Pawky | my jolla was the second batch sent... I presume that means no warranty anymore... | 10:53 |
| Pawky | my youtube settings??? | 10:53 |
| chem|st | Pawky: EU is 2y warranty | 10:53 |
| Pawky | hmm.. interesting :-) | 10:53 |
| Pawky | just wanted to check how common this "yellow blob thingy" was first | 10:54 |
| chem|st | Pawky: some (I do not know numbers) | 10:54 |
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| chem|st | but from the tablet HW blog post you can read that this is an issue with laminated touchscreens | 10:54 |
| chem|st | Pawky: now with flash being turned off everywhere I recognized that some of my browsers play some dont | 10:55 |
| chem|st | so I checked settings | 10:56 |
| chem|st | youtube has a setting to use "experimental player" or something (maybe it is now called "new") | 10:56 |
| chem|st | ran into it on most of my linux machines | 10:57 |
| Pawky | but... eh... there are no "youtube settings" on the phone to my knowlede, and the browser setting only makes me change home page. What am I missing here? | 10:58 |
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| chem|st | Pawky: login and use personal settings then | 11:01 |
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| Pawky | duh... i do not login.. neither do i have an account nor would I ever want one.. Don't you think its a bit far fetched doing this just to see a vide on jolla.com using the default browser? | 11:02 |
| Pawky | on the opera browser it just works, hence I believe something needs to be fixed in the original browser. Right? | 11:03 |
| Yaniel | Pawky: http://youtube.com/html5 | 11:04 |
| Yaniel | that one | 11:04 |
| chem|st | Pawky: that is youtube's fault then, I am logged in on the device... | 11:05 |
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| Pawky | how could that be, on opera it works, on the origina browser it complains about mime... | 11:05 |
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| chem|st | Pawky: youtube presenting the wrong setup maybe or have a look at the browser git if there is a fix available | 11:07 |
| Pawky | this is getting more interesting... if on the "settings" for youtube I choose Desktop, it actually runs the video. | 11:07 |
| chem|st | oh sry #jollamobile channel nevermind the git suggestion | 11:08 |
| Pawky | wouldn't that suggest the browser doesnt like the mime type sent when in "mobile" mode? | 11:08 |
| chem|st | Pawky: maybe sailfish-browser requests wrong mime or youtube sends wrong mime | 11:09 |
| chem|st | both possible | 11:09 |
| chem|st | what happens when you turn on html5? | 11:09 |
| chem|st | and what sfos version are you on | 11:09 |
| Pawky | i presume going to desktop mode will do that... didnt see any other option on settings without being logged in. | 11:10 |
| Pawky | The latest official one.. | 11:10 |
| Pawky | checking.. | 11:10 |
| chem|st | browse to youtube.com/html5 (that is the setting) | 11:10 |
| Pawky | 1.1.6.27 | 11:10 |
| Pawky | I presume of some reason youtube sends me flash... | 11:11 |
| Pawky | unless going into desktop mode. | 11:11 |
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| Pawky | thats cool.. didn't know that.. | 11:14 |
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| Pawky | is there a way to clear the cookies on the browser? | 11:16 |
| Pawky | found it | 11:16 |
| chem|st | does it still send flash after clearing cookies? | 11:17 |
| chem|st | flash should just be banned for good! | 11:18 |
| Pawky | i needed to clear cookies to get rid of desktop mode, after this the jolla movie doesnt play... I am chaning the html5 settings as we speak | 11:19 |
| raa700 | well, there's only so much adobe can do to get flash banned, rest is up to browsermakers and webmasters | 11:19 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Teemu: no | 11:20 |
| Pawky | choosing html5browser wont make any difference.. | 11:20 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I want to replace cloud with my phone | 11:20 |
| Pawky | (doesn't) | 11:20 |
| Teemu | oh so the complete opposite of what i said | 11:20 |
| SfietKonstantinW | example: Win 10 can backup your settings in the cloud, so that when you create a new account with a MS account, settings are downloaded | 11:20 |
| SfietKonstantinW | what I want is that my phone holds settings and when I connect my phone to a new devices, settings are available | 11:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (simple example) | 11:21 |
| Teemu | and the phone would naturally operate just fine without connectivity | 11:21 |
| Teemu | as much as can be done offline | 11:21 |
| Pawky | chem|st: Still no success clicking on youtube link at the jolla site after choosing "request html5 player" for the default browser :-/ | 11:23 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Teemu: yep | 11:23 |
| SfietKonstantinW | the idea is that you have an ecosystem of devices around the phone | 11:24 |
| Teemu | i'd like that and then in addition to that, the phone could possibly backup its datasets to the cloud or to some of your own storages or both | 11:24 |
| Teemu | so that the cloud is there as one possible storage opportunity and not a central all-important piece like it nowadays seems to be | 11:25 |
| Teemu | like in the old days when you could sync your phone and your computer for some selected datasets such as contacts and calendar | 11:25 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Teemu: the phone is free to do stuff yep | 11:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | like backuping or analyzing your data | 11:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | of course problem arises | 11:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | 1. storage | 11:26 |
| SfietKonstantinW | 2. reliability of the phone to hold all these data | 11:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | 3. offline mode (contrary to cloud / internet, your phone might not be all the time in the center of your ecosystem of devies) | 11:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (like a smart-something at home won't be able to connect to phone-could whe you are at work) | 11:28 |
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| Pawky | clicking on the jolla link, will make you go to the clip, but not run it.. choosing it from the list on youtube gives wrong mime type... | 11:29 |
| Pawky | I presume the changes made in www.youtube.com/html5 does not apply for m.youtube.com, the place you enter when clicking the link.. | 11:30 |
| Pawky | only after choosing "Desktop" mode on youtube the clip will play... :-/ | 11:31 |
| Pawky | Am I the only one who's noticed this??? | 11:34 |
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| Pawky | Opera however, handles this perfectly... Conclusion, one need a third party app to be able to watch the Jolla 2.0 video on www.jolla.com. | 11:37 |
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| kimmoli | Pawky: works for me in native browser | 11:41 |
| Pawky | firmware? | 11:42 |
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| kimmoli | sfos is 1.1.7.25 | 11:42 |
| Pawky | ehh.. not the official one out there is it? | 11:43 |
| kimmoli | that is the EA | 11:43 |
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| Pawky | EA? | 11:43 |
| kimmoli | early adopter | 11:43 |
| Pawky | well.. im at 1.1.6.27, never got that invite.. :-( | 11:44 |
| kimmoli | i have 1.1.6.27 in one phone,.. but that is in the office | 11:45 |
| Pawky | thought i was to get it once i signed in for it the first time | 11:45 |
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| ggabriel | Pawky: i'm on 1.1.6 and video works ok | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | in native browser | 11:45 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: duh?.. you click and it works? | 11:45 |
| ggabriel | i'm logged out of google and all that crap if it helps | 11:46 |
| Pawky | but... i cleared my cookies. | 11:46 |
| TemeV | Pawky: there is no invites, you can opt in for early access updates with you Jolla account | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | Pawky: it works, that's what i meant | 11:46 |
| Pawky | i did that a long time ago... do you have to do it every time? | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | and i think that towards the end a sailfish should jump out of the water | 11:46 |
| ggabriel | that'd be cool | 11:46 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: thats odd.. i am also logged out, and it doesnt work.. | 11:46 |
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| ggabriel | Pawky: google is well known for having faulty, well, everything | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | you may be bound to a server that has bad code | 11:47 |
| TemeV | Pawky: no. Just once in this "new" system. If you only did the old email opt in, then you have to do it again | 11:47 |
| kimmoli | <tag>blame google</tag> | 11:47 |
| Pawky | ggabriel: such as.... youtube? | 11:47 |
| ggabriel | exactly | 11:47 |
| Pawky | TemeV: that explains it.. | 11:47 |
| kimmoli | accounts.jolla.com | 11:47 |
| Pawky | so... why doesnt it work on mine? I dont have anything special on mine... | 11:48 |
| kimmoli | does other youtube videos work? | 11:48 |
| Pawky | well.. if i change to desktop in the browser (on the youtube options without being logged in) it works.... | 11:49 |
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| Pawky | kimmoli: other ones do work... at least "taylor swift - bad blood ft. kendrick lamar" ... | 11:51 |
| kimmoli | dunno then... something fishy | 11:52 |
| Pawky | Found it!!! | 11:53 |
| Pawky | :-) | 11:53 |
| Pawky | its because the link on the jolla site is https .... | 11:53 |
| Pawky | yes, you heard me right... changing it to http it works. | 11:54 |
| chem|st | wtf | 11:54 |
| locusf | wot | 11:54 |
| Pawky | yup... wtf it is indeed... | 11:54 |
| chem|st | tigeli: can you have a look at Pawky account for not working EA | 11:54 |
| Pawky | changing back to https... not working... great fun this | 11:55 |
| chem|st | Pawky: let me try that... | 11:55 |
| locusf | and its account.jolla.com | 11:56 |
| locusf | not accounts.jolla.com | 11:56 |
| Pawky | noticed that.. | 11:56 |
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| locusf | ok | 11:56 |
| Pawky | chem|st: I am still talking about the youtube stuff... not account.jolla.com... just to be clear here.. | 11:56 |
| locusf | ffs | 11:57 |
| Pawky | still... my account should state i have opted in for EA... | 11:57 |
| chem|st | Pawky: yes | 11:58 |
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| chem|st | Pawky: check if it is please | 11:58 |
| Pawky | i will.. but its time to leave the office, friiiiiiiday :-) | 11:58 |
| chem|st | not yet, have another 2h... | 11:59 |
| Pawky | did you try with https? | 11:59 |
| chem|st | and melting nano-tips with 100fJ Laser^^ | 11:59 |
| Pawky | cool... | 11:59 |
| chem|st | Pawky: I am logged in, htat is always https | 11:59 |
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| Pawky | ok.. well i can only say, for us who do not have a youtube account, and do click the link on the jolla site to the jolla 2.0 video, wont be able to view the movie until changing the link to http:// | 12:00 |
| Pawky | thats my contribution for today... see you all :-) | 12:01 |
| Pawky | The https link does however work nicely in the opera browser... | 12:02 |
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| chem|st | klicking HD button (swithcing to SD) and I get the mime error too | 12:07 |
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| ggabriel | any aptoide user about? | 12:20 |
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| Mikaela | I have it installed, but I haven't used aliendalvik so much lately | 12:52 |
| ggabriel | n/m works now | 12:53 |
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| ggabriel | but thanks | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | i ended up deleting uber since they don't seem to fix it (read: decouple from gservices) | 12:53 |
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| ggabriel | so now the only android application i use is here | 12:53 |
| ggabriel | chem|st's fault :P | 12:53 |
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| Mikaela | I mostly use authy | 12:54 |
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| chem|st | ggabriel: #blamechem|st | 13:12 |
| ggabriel | it's a possible blame this one though | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | erm positive | 13:13 |
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| ggabriel | brain half working, clearly i drank too much yesterday | 13:13 |
| chem|st | ggabriel: reminds me, BMW,Daimler,Audi has bought HERE | 13:13 |
| ggabriel | i have read | 13:13 |
| chem|st | and those *tards have not committed my changes | 13:13 |
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| pog | hello - i'm still playing arround with my jolla - I'm wondring wether it's possible to keep an application in foreground, when for example timer-application is running. I always have to reselect the application after touching, when the screen goes to sleep mode. | 13:18 |
| ahjolinna | chem|st: they haven't bought HERE... yet | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | pog: you mean after locking? | 13:19 |
| lainwir3d | pog: you can reselect it if you unlock the screen before ~20seconds I think | 13:19 |
| pog | after a few seconds the screen is getting black, and the the application seems always as small icon. | 13:19 |
| ggabriel | pog: try unlocking with touble click of power button | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | if you don't have lock code, it should work | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | iirc | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | but what you describe is the whole idea anyway | 13:20 |
| pog | yes, after only a few seconds, its still o.k. (I think). | 13:20 |
| ggabriel | you can extend the autolocking time too | 13:20 |
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| ggabriel | i left mine in max (10') | 13:20 |
| TMavica | Jolla support windows 10 or not? Anyone tried? | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | and i press the power button or swipe down from multitasking screen when i want to lock | 13:21 |
| TMavica | Like ssh, telneting | 13:21 |
| pog | o.k. thanks for the hint ggabriel | 13:21 |
| ggabriel | TMavica: ssh and telnet are standard protocols, so they should be supported unless there's a bug in w10 | 13:21 |
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| TMavica | So i am asking who have tried. Lol | 13:22 |
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| kimmoli | windows? ssh? iirc even telnet client is not installed by default since 7 (iirc) | 13:33 |
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| ggabriel | well, why would you make windows useful? | 13:35 |
| ggabriel | (telnet doesn't come with sailfish either :P ) | 13:35 |
| the_mgt | and we all agree on the tremendous usefullness of telnet | 13:36 |
| ggabriel | telnet is rather awesome | 13:36 |
| the_mgt | "telnet is my mail client, bro" | 13:36 |
| ggabriel | nc is probably better | 13:36 |
| TMavica | kimmoli: telnet can enabled, but ssh is cant | 13:36 |
| Yaniel | putty or similar is anyway among the first things anyone installs on windows | 13:36 |
| Yaniel | ..right? | 13:36 |
| kimmoli | yes | 13:37 |
| ninnnu | http://blogs.msdn.com/b/powershell/archive/2015/06/03/looking-forward-microsoft-support-for-secure-shell-ssh.aspx | 13:37 |
| the_mgt | there is putty/winscp, if both run on win10, win10 is "jolla ready" | 13:37 |
| ggabriel | Yaniel: yup, but apparently w10 comes with cli ssh | 13:37 |
| chem|st | ahjolinna: yeah well the deal is not through yet | 13:37 |
| Yaniel | whaat | 13:37 |
| the_mgt | ggabriel: rofl, it is probably compatibel to 3,7% of all ssh servers? | 13:37 |
| Yaniel | okay, vs 2013 has git integration | 13:38 |
| Yaniel | so it kinda makes sense | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | the_mgt: ok, let's not be so harsh with the m$ people, maybe they do it properly | 13:38 |
| ggabriel | i mean, it only took them what? 10-15 years? | 13:38 |
| the_mgt | then it is maybe 37% percent of all servers | 13:38 |
| the_mgt | but no root login and only password based | 13:39 |
| the_mgt | and bluescreens on utf8 | 13:39 |
| Yaniel | no root login is mostly a good thing tbh | 13:39 |
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| TMavica | Windows 10 i saw a beautiful Ui...gone want to try | 13:40 |
| the_mgt | Yaniel: I switched to closing ssh ports and using vpn only, from there on, rooot login is prett much ok | 13:40 |
| ggabriel | ssh root@the_mgt | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | sorry wc | 13:41 |
| ggabriel | :P | 13:41 |
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| nander | My phone doesn't want to start.. It seems the battery is wonky - again - | 23:48 |
| nander | It has been charging for two days | 23:48 |
| nander | One day on my computer port, one day from a wall charger | 23:48 |
| nander | I would have bought a new battery 6 months ago, but .... | 23:49 |
| nander | I'm never going to buy another Jolla. If you advertise replacable battery, but don't offer replacement batteries, then you're a bad kind of company and should be ashamed of yourself | 23:49 |
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