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| fennekki | buying another would be kinda pointless anyway since there's no indication they're going to ever release a newer phone | 00:55 |
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| Cazou | Hey guys, I'm hacking a bit on the bootloader, when unlocked, is the contents of the boot partition checked for integrity ? | 11:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | ping Stskeepz | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | Cazou: he'll know | 11:23 |
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| Cazou | r0kk3rz: thanks | 11:33 |
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| Jonni | Cazou: depends what you mean by bootloader as there are multiple levels of loaders, you can easily brick the device if you make a misstake :) | 11:38 |
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| Jonni | emgload vs boot vs aboot | 11:44 |
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| Jonni | Cazou: afaik in jolla1, emgload loads aboot which loads boot(kernel), so I'm assuming that your hacking aboot and not emgload? So your question is that does emgload check aboot integrity? | 11:50 |
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| Jonni | Cazou: first word of warning, if you happen to mess up aboot, even jolla care is not able to reflash the device, as aboot recovery needs special factory flashing cable (luckily we have that one in the office). But the answer for the question is that custom aboots are possible (I've compiled a custom one in my phone (after 1st bricking the deivce few times)), so short answer is that aboot integrity is not checked when device is unlocked, but if you happen | 11:58 |
| Jonni | to make a misstake, its a permanent brick as jolla care is not able to reflash it. | 11:58 |
| Cazou | Jonni: I'm not planning to touch aboot, I'm only touching boot (partition 20) | 12:00 |
| Cazou | I'm not sure if it can be modified without adapting aboot | 12:00 |
| Jonni | Cazou: ah, partition 20 is the kernel, and yes you can compile what ever custom kernels you want. Sources are available. | 12:00 |
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| Cazou | Jonni: thanks, how is it booted ? does it simply load the partition and interprets it as the kernel ? | 12:02 |
| Jonni | and with unlocked device you can reflash kernel with fastboot as many times as you want so editing that should be pretty safe | 12:02 |
| Cazou | Jonni: also, is there anyway to get some debug interface (like printks on the screen or an uart interface over usb) | 12:03 |
| Jonni | Cazou: yes if you enable framebuffer console on kernel configs you get the printks on the screen | 12:04 |
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| pdanek | hey, do you think intex hass resources to make top end smartphones like Meizu? | 12:05 |
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| pdanek | to see if we have chance to get same amazing phones as Ubuntu Touch | 12:09 |
| pdanek | still it's unbelievable that platform like ubuntu touch gets so much attention from vendors, even though it's not nearly as mature as sailfish os | 12:10 |
| ggabriel | not sure many people in india buy high end phones | 12:14 |
| r0kk3rz | and if they do, they're probably not going to buy from an indian manufacturer | 12:15 |
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| pdanek | right | 12:16 |
| r0kk3rz | more like an iphone | 12:16 |
| pdanek | so Jolla needs Chinese vendor then | 12:16 |
| r0kk3rz | just be patient, and see what intex has to offer | 12:17 |
| r0kk3rz | if another vendor crops up, then even better | 12:17 |
| pdanek | I'm patient too long | 12:17 |
| pdanek | my Jolla is dying | 12:17 |
| pdanek | and out of warranty | 12:17 |
| pdanek | if phone gets our of warranty without any successor to buy, it's bad | 12:18 |
| r0kk3rz | well thats the situation you find yourself in | 12:18 |
| r0kk3rz | jolla decided to put their efforts into making a tablet rather than a new phone | 12:18 |
| ggabriel | pdanek: buy another jolla? i'm not sure what you mean by "dying" | 12:20 |
| ggabriel | is it too slow or did it hit the floor so many times that it's dying? | 12:20 |
| Stskeepz | fwiw any oem has ability to do high end through odms | 12:21 |
| Stskeepz | its just always cost effective | 12:21 |
| Stskeepz | [B[Bnot | 12:22 |
| ggabriel | well, yeah, but that's the question... how many people would buy? my thoughts are like r0kk3rz's... high end buyers in india will get an iphone or a samsung galaxy or something like that | 12:24 |
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| r0kk3rz | intex said they would launch the thing in september | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | and its now august | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | so, soon all will be revealed | 12:27 |
| ggabriel | this year and this universe? :P | 12:27 |
| r0kk3rz | ggabriel: inter-dimensional advertising doesnt work that well afaik | 12:29 |
| r0kk3rz | unless its a brave new world of time-travel | 12:29 |
| r0kk3rz | wherein you can advertise things in the past, to build hype in the present | 12:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeepz, i've gone back to the past 1.0.0.* firmware :-D | 12:30 |
| dr_gogeta86 | somtimes hard reset is fun ...is like see a documentary about first day of sailfish | 12:30 |
| r0kk3rz | dr_gogeta86: yeah when you think about it, sailfish has come a long way in the last couple of years | 12:32 |
| r0kk3rz | you dont notice it as much with the incremental upgrades | 12:32 |
| dr_gogeta86 | as usual | 12:33 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeepz, any news from subcontinent | 12:33 |
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| topi` | I just did a factory reset to get rid of my reboot loop | 13:35 |
| topi` | now, do I really have to install all those updates that have landed in-between? | 13:35 |
| topi` | if i remember correctly, it was a few hours of work | 13:35 |
| topi` | how do I get rid of the tutorial? | 13:36 |
| phlixi | there is some trick, like tapping five times in the edge or something like this, dont know, sry | 13:37 |
| phlixi | and i also never did factory reset on my jolla, but iirc read many times that not all updates have to be installed, some will be skipped | 13:37 |
| kimmoli | tap corners of screen, start from left-top | 13:38 |
| phlixi | but you should do them just like the phone asks you to do | 13:38 |
| phlixi | there you go | 13:38 |
| phlixi | :-) | 13:38 |
| phlixi | i dont remember, is it that bad and endless, that you have to skip it? cant you just do it in 1,5 minutes? | 13:39 |
| topi` | I did | 13:39 |
| phlixi | i would think, a... porbably faste to do it then find a workaround :-) | 13:39 |
| topi` | not everyone is of that type who likes to jump thru hoops, though. | 13:39 |
| topi` | yeah... | 13:39 |
| topi` | hmm, SIM not found | 13:39 |
| phlixi | its just different hoops if you dont know :) | 13:40 |
| topi` | let's reseat it and try again | 13:40 |
| topi` | wtf. black screen. and now just red led. not blinking, steady red | 13:41 |
| topi` | another reboot. | 13:41 |
| topi` | still no PIN query :( | 13:42 |
| Teemu | phlixi: doing the tutorials every time you reset a device gets pretty old very quickly, especially if you need to redo them after every update that is not skipped | 13:44 |
| topi` | ok I give up for today, and revert to my old and trusted N950 :) | 13:44 |
| topi` | it's slightly slow but still works | 13:44 |
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| Teemu | so, when was the last time you found a nut or bolt in your pizza? | 13:45 |
| Lieke | may contain nuts? | 13:47 |
| Teemu | didn't check if it said so on the menu | 13:48 |
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| phlixi | Teemu: well, i guess if you reset your device all the time, of course then you might want to skip the tutorial, oth why would you reset your device all the time? | 14:26 |
| Teemu | if i reset it even once i'd like to skip tutorials as i've already went through them | 14:27 |
| Bysmyyr | I think they want to force the turorial because people skip them very easily even if they do not have any clue how to use it | 14:30 |
| Yaniel | you can skip the main tutorial | 14:34 |
| Yaniel | but afaik not the hints | 14:34 |
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| tiwake | Teemu: my mom found a watch band once in her milkshake | 15:17 |
| Teemu | :D | 15:18 |
| Teemu | i'm not sure if it was me or topi` who found a nut, roughly M6 or so, in his pizza | 15:18 |
| tiwake | evidently the person making the milkshake had the watch fall off while she was making it and didnt notice, then a bit later couldent find the watch | 15:20 |
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| leszek | hi | 16:18 |
| leszek | I tried uploading an apk file to harbour but it keeps failing with the error message no rpm produced for foobar.apk. Anyone any idea ? | 16:18 |
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| leszek | is there a filesize limit for apk uploading to harbour ? Or what could be the issue ? | 17:09 |
| sharpneli | If there is it should be the same as it is with Google. 50MB | 17:10 |
| sharpneli | It's a somewhat fundamental limitation of Android. Some devices crash with APK's larger than 50MB | 17:10 |
| pdanek | Some games in Google Play have over 500MB | 17:11 |
| zutto | there are a lot of games in google play that are over 500MB | 17:12 |
| leszek | hmm... ok my apk is only 11 MB big | 17:12 |
| sharpneli | pdanek: They download additional stuff via the extension mechanism. The .apk itself is 50mb | 17:13 |
| sharpneli | pdanek: And it's implemented in a retarded way. You have to have your own downloader in the app, thus requiring all kinds of permissions. | 17:13 |
| pdanek | well in the Google Play itself it shows as downloading directly 500+ MB | 17:14 |
| pdanek | not after starting the app | 17:14 |
| sharpneli | http://developer.android.com/google/play/expansion-files.html this | 17:14 |
| zutto | max apk size in gplay is 4gb apparently | 17:14 |
| sharpneli | Yes | 17:14 |
| sharpneli | Because google hosts the expansion files | 17:14 |
| sharpneli | They implemented that because so many games did it and users had no way of knowing how much space the app would actually take | 17:14 |
| leszek | Ok I created a TMO thread and put a link to the apk as I think it is pretty interesting for all Jolla users who want a open source secure instant messaging TextSecure without Google Play Service: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1478454#post1478454 | 17:14 |
| sharpneli | Also now you don't hae to host the expansion files yourself. Google does that for you | 17:15 |
| sharpneli | See my link for description on how it works. | 17:15 |
| leszek | I would appreciated if someone from jolla harbour could help me getting it into the Jolla Store | 17:16 |
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| Tegu | is it possible to share the wlan connection of jolla to a desktop? | 19:30 |
| phlixi | Tegu: go to settings and activate it | 19:30 |
| phlixi | then from desktop connect to wlan | 19:31 |
| Tegu | I mean, via usb | 19:31 |
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| Tegu | not mobile data | 19:31 |
| Tegu | I agree that the use case is a bit weird but just wondering :D would be useful now | 19:31 |
| phlixi | i am pretty sure it is possible, but i have no idea how | 19:32 |
| Tegu | yea, I'd imagine it's possible as well | 19:33 |
| phlixi | obviously you will have to connect a network over usb | 19:33 |
| phlixi | then do some gateway stuff | 19:33 |
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| Tegu | yea | 19:34 |
| Tegu | something with iptables, I guess | 19:36 |
| phlixi | got bluetooth on the desktop? | 19:37 |
| lainwir3d | i think i saw a tutorial somewhere | 19:42 |
| lainwir3d | hmm | 19:42 |
| lainwir3d | wait | 19:42 |
| lainwir3d | oh, the website is down, but i'm pretty sure it was in http://elinux.org/Jolla | 19:43 |
| lainwir3d | google cache doesn't have it :-( But yeah you can do it with developer mode and iptables | 19:44 |
| lainwir3d | guess you would have to wait for the page to come up again | 19:45 |
| Tegu | maybe some general linux ones work as well | 19:45 |
| lainwir3d | yeah | 19:47 |
| lainwir3d | just look for tethering with iptables | 19:47 |
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| lainwir3d | you need to tether usb0 interface I'd guess | 19:47 |
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| lainwir3d | Tegu: found a cache version from last december. A bit old but it seems the solution is there : http://web.archive.org/web/20141130235654/http://elinux.org/Jolla#How_do_I_enable_USB_tethering.3F | 19:49 |
| Tegu | lainwir3d: thanks, I'll try | 19:51 |
| lainwir3d | you're welcome | 19:51 |
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