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| pdanek | chem|st: the convergence in the end wasn't bad | 00:07 |
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| HtheB | guys, is it normal that the connection drops when phone is in idle state? :/ | 00:09 |
| HtheB | (wifi connection) | 00:10 |
| HtheB | somehow, the wifi connection gets lost when the phone is in idle state | 00:10 |
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| HtheB | no one? | 00:12 |
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| tadzik | I think it does that to save power | 00:40 |
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| HtheB | tadzik: isn't that bullshit when some app works on the background? :/ | 00:58 |
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| HtheB | Harmattan had the option to allow connection on the background | 00:58 |
| HtheB | because the connection of Whatsup is getting lost when the phone is in idle state, this shouldn't be happen... | 00:58 |
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| politie | HtheB im having the same problem | 01:01 |
| HtheB | this shouldn't be happening :/ | 01:02 |
| politie | no | 01:02 |
| politie | for now it seems pinging 127.0.0.1 every 60 seconds solves it | 01:02 |
| pahartik | HtheB: I am annoyed about IPv6 SSH connection dropping on Jolla Mobile when external power supply is not connected | 01:03 |
| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/85364/option-to-keep-connections-alive-in-idle-state/ | 01:06 |
| HtheB | politie: thats not how it should work :) | 01:06 |
| HtheB | pahartik: really? thats even more a shame :/ I never used ipv6 yet to be honest | 01:06 |
| HtheB | but please vote up guys | 01:07 |
| politie | HtheB it certainly shouldnt | 01:07 |
| joonahoi | it doesn't disconnect if packets are being transferred | 01:07 |
| joonahoi | but when everything is peaceful & quiet the data will shut down to preserve battery | 01:08 |
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| HtheB | yes, and when it's shut down, it wont work anymore with messenger apps ;) | 01:08 |
| HtheB | which is: a bug | 01:08 |
| tadzik | HtheB: but then it's not idle, is it? :) | 01:09 |
| HtheB | why cant we decide if we want to let it stay on or off in idle state? :) | 01:09 |
| tadzik | yeah, I know what you mean, it's quite undesirable | 01:09 |
| HtheB | having an option would have both parties happy | 01:09 |
| HtheB | :D so, vote up guys | 01:09 |
| pahartik | joonahoi: Then I have to add some extra keepalive port forwarding to current HTTP and IRC connections... | 01:10 |
| joonahoi | only one is needed to prevent it from going idle | 01:11 |
| joonahoi | but it consumes a lot more battery power then | 01:11 |
| pahartik | joonahoi: I think "aiccu" performs some ICMP action once per minute, but maybe that is not enough or appropriate kind of traffic to be considered "not idle" | 01:13 |
| joonahoi | yeah, i'm not sure what actually counts | 01:14 |
| HtheB | like I said, if they just add this as an option, both parties would be happy | 01:15 |
| HtheB | so, vote up! :P | 01:15 |
| HtheB | https://together.jolla.com/question/85364/option-to-keep-connections-alive-in-idle-state/ | 01:15 |
| pahartik | HtheB: I assume "wireless" in that document means "mobile network", "Bluetooth PAN" and "802.11" | 01:17 |
| HtheB | everything :P | 01:18 |
| HtheB | maybe I should write down | 01:18 |
| HtheB | to be honest, I was talking about wifi | 01:18 |
| HtheB | I haven't tested mobile data | 01:18 |
| HtheB | and come to think of it, my Pebble sometimes disconnects | 01:19 |
| HtheB | because it's not "used" | 01:19 |
| HtheB | so does the bluetooth also disables when it's in idle?? | 01:19 |
| pahartik | HtheB: I only use "mobile network" and "Bluetooth PAN" | 01:19 |
| HtheB | i should ask CepiPerez about the whatsup | 01:20 |
| HtheB | that is one of the reasons why we dont release it yet | 01:20 |
| HtheB | before we get angry users :P | 01:20 |
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| HtheB | pahartik: changed the text, please read | 01:22 |
| pahartik | HtheB: Well, I have noticed that when power cord is removed, workstation with IPv6 routing "Bluetooth PAN" through "Jolla Mobile" gets long delays on or just timing out on existing TCP connections | 01:22 |
| HtheB | file a bug and i'll upvote | 01:23 |
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| pahartik | HtheB: Updated document acknowledged | 01:24 |
| pahartik | HtheB: "idle state" is annoying, and it only happens without external power supply | 01:26 |
| HtheB | Victorious says that it's working for him.. :/ | 01:26 |
| HtheB | pahartik: up vote it then xD | 01:27 |
| HtheB | if you acknowledge it :D | 01:27 |
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| pahartik | HtheB: That site is not browser-friendly enough | 01:30 |
| HtheB | pahartik: what do you mean? what browser do you use? | 01:31 |
| politie | HtheB its only android apps that lose connection for me, you have native apps with the same problem? | 01:33 |
| pahartik | HtheB: Mostly "Lynx 2.8.8dev.12" | 01:33 |
| HtheB | politie: no, we're developing Whatsup, it's a native app | 01:34 |
| HtheB | pahartik: use your Jolla :p | 01:34 |
| politie | what kinda app are you developing if i may ask | 01:35 |
| HtheB | Whatsapp client | 01:37 |
| HtheB | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nv3XzCvTmlE | 01:39 |
| politie | oh thats looking great man | 01:42 |
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| politie | what about the banning whatsapp was doing? | 01:42 |
| HtheB | we're using S40 protocol, untill now, no one got banned using our method | 01:42 |
| HtheB | we are restricting stuff | 01:42 |
| HtheB | unlike other Whatsapp clients | 01:42 |
| HtheB | (like max. filesize of video file = 15mb) | 01:43 |
| HtheB | if you trepass things like that, whatsapp could figure it out | 01:43 |
| HtheB | otherwise, we're safe :) | 01:43 |
| politie | aswsome | 01:43 |
| politie | cant wait to try it | 01:44 |
| politie | got notifications without the app running like email has? | 01:44 |
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| HtheB | it's still alpha, but when closing the window, the app closes :/ | 01:47 |
| HtheB | and using a daemon, everytime when you re-open the app, it has to load all the contacts and conversations :/ | 01:47 |
| HtheB | it's not the way we want... | 01:47 |
| politie | ah either way looking forward to trying it out | 01:49 |
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| HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1462919 | 01:51 |
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| politie | will be following | 02:06 |
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| jarkko_ | HtheB: looks good so far, keep up the good work. The Android WA client is not all bad anymore but it's annoying that you have to have the app running all the time. | 06:53 |
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| flux | we shall see how long it takes till whatsup manages to stop that :) | 07:43 |
| flux | ..apparently could take a while, as it's using an older S40 protocol | 07:48 |
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| japa-fi | Anyone found major issues with new OS update yet? | 07:54 |
| Teemu | x-czkrmoziadkazior looks good | 07:54 |
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| joonahoi | japa-fi: nope, everything is nice and dandy, it got released to the larger public as well (that is: the opt-in testers didn't run in any kind of earth shattering problems) | 07:58 |
| jarkko_ | In the People app, a contact has two email addresses. One I can edit, the other I can't. How can I edit (actually) delete the latter? | 07:59 |
| japa-fi | jarkko_, open the contact, check the pulley if you can unlink | 07:59 |
| * tbr would suspect a synced contact | 08:00 | |
| japa-fi | I had something similar where there were two contacts linked as one. Don't recall the reason. | 08:00 |
| japa-fi | Similar symptoms as yours | 08:00 |
| jarkko_ | Under the former it says "Other * Email" and under the latter "Other * Email | Firstname Lastname" | 08:00 |
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| jarkko_ | so the contact sync is one way only? I can't a edit a Google Contacts contact in my Jolla, meaning it won't sync to Google? | 08:02 |
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| chriadam | jarkko_: most likely a bug surfacing due to https://github.com/nemomobile/qtcontacts-sqlite/commit/f413f8d3d3c8f3860bcc02f482289459ff7ee6f6 | 08:05 |
| jarkko_ | ah, there's a "Sync Two-way" setting in the (Google) account on the phone. | 08:05 |
| chriadam | that was fixed in bluetooth sync https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins/commit/7e82f641996cefdc53e7c405693ab038cdf7da52 but maybe it is also needed for google and carddav sync. | 08:06 |
| Nicd- | were there contact sync fixes in the latest update? or in the next one? | 08:06 |
| chriadam | there were some contact sync fixes in the latest update, but most will be in the next one unfortunately. | 08:06 |
| jarkko_ | speaking of the accounts, is it normal that I have to sign in to Facebook and Google accounts appr once a week? | 08:06 |
| Nicd- | because my contact sync is broken all the time and I'm wondering if I should factory reset | 08:06 |
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| chriadam | jarkko_: no. again, there are fixes for that one in the next update, they didn't make it into the latest released one. | 08:07 |
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| chriadam | Nicd-: there is still one major issue with contact sync which we're still chasing down, in which the following error is produced: "Invalid detail type: 0" in the journal | 08:07 |
| jarkko_ | chriadam: ok, thanks for the heads up | 08:08 |
| Nicd- | yes, I have "invalid detail type" in my logs | 08:08 |
| chriadam | it affects various sync adapters, so it's either a problem with our storage backend, or with some shared code used by all of the sync adapters. as yet, I don't have a good repro on a device I control :-/ makes it tough to figure out precisely what's going wrong. | 08:08 |
| Nicd- | I can reproduce it because it happened almost instantly after you helped me reset all contact stuff last time :P | 08:09 |
| chriadam | it seems from some logs I've seen that somehow an invalid QContactDetail (ie, default constructed one) gets added to the list of details ot save in that contact | 08:09 |
| chriadam | yeah, I remember seeing that email / logs | 08:09 |
| chriadam | hrm, I thought that was a separate issue, actually, because at that stage I didn't know it affected Exchange / Activesync too | 08:10 |
| chriadam | unfortunately, that particular problem will still affect you, ie, I haven't managed to fix it yet :-/ | 08:10 |
| chriadam | next week I have set aside two days to find and fix that one, interruptionless, though. | 08:10 |
| chriadam | so hopefully... | 08:11 |
| chriadam | we'll see. | 08:11 |
| Nicd- | good luck | 08:11 |
| chriadam | thanks ;-) | 08:11 |
| chriadam | anyway, about ot head home - have a good weekend everyone | 08:11 |
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| lainwir3d | o/ | 08:21 |
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| humd | Hello! I updated to Yliaavanlampi (1.1.2.16) yesterday and it seems that Caldav accounts do not work anymore.. any ideas? | 08:36 |
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| jaacoppi | humd: seehttps://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/page:1/query:caldav/ | 08:37 |
| jaacoppi | eh, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1462919 | 08:37 |
| jaacoppi | damn, wrong paste. Let's try a 3rd time.. | 08:37 |
| jaacoppi | https://together.jolla.com/questions/scope:all/sort:activity-desc/page:1/query:caldav/ | 08:38 |
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| chem|st | HtheB: you are trying to cure a symptom of a disease, as this seems android related and not in general... (keep connection alive) when I have an ssh session open the device does not shutdown the connection. if it ignores androids then it is a bug, keeping the conenctions active in idle while there is no program asking for/in need of internet is plain stupid | 09:29 |
| chem|st | HtheB: android networking or even networking in general is painful | 09:30 |
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| greenit | hi, how can i authenticate the android whatsapp-app ? | 09:59 |
| greenit | i got the sms, but it didn't recognize it | 10:01 |
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| Joonaa | greenit: wait | 10:01 |
| Joonaa | it will ask you to call a number | 10:02 |
| Joonaa | and from there you get a number | 10:02 |
| Sail0r | damn scratches on my jolla display -.- | 10:03 |
| zutto | :l | 10:04 |
| greenit | thanks Joonaa | 10:04 |
| zutto | my jollas touchscreen stopped working last friday after the UI crashed | 10:04 |
| Joonaa | heh, speaking of scratches... mine has a massive scratch, but thankfully its below the actual display | 10:05 |
| Joonaa | dropped it on some asphalt :p | 10:05 |
| Joonaa | sadly the plastic case took some big hits too | 10:05 |
| CissWit | My jolla keep rebooting randomly. Sometimes i just try to read a SMS and it reboots. Is there a way to debug this ? | 10:05 |
| Joonaa | CissWit: i had the same problem.. jolla support replied to take out the battery, push in the battery connectors 30 times | 10:06 |
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| Joonaa | hasnt booted for a week or two now, so it might work | 10:06 |
| Joonaa | push them with some flat plastic thing so you dont break them :9 | 10:06 |
| Joonaa | :)* | 10:06 |
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| Hartzi | Hey, all finnish sailors --> #jollasuomi | 10:07 |
| CissWit | thanks for the tip, it might indeed be a battery problem | 10:07 |
| Joonaa | if it doesnt work, they offered to repair it :) | 10:08 |
| CissWit | i badly need more nails, i always have such a hard time to take off the other half | 10:09 |
| Joonaa | lol, you should be able to take it off without any | 10:10 |
| Joonaa | ... nevermind | 10:10 |
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| CissWit | ok, done. Thanks a lot for the tip, will try to contact the support if it doesn't work. | 10:12 |
| Tuju | taxify.eu doesn't work with Jolla. | 10:13 |
| Tuju | nor anything else that needs G Play. | 10:13 |
| Joonaa | but why do apps need gplay | 10:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Tuju, is blasfemy but install gapps packages | 10:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://together.jolla.com/question/30926/howto-install-google-play/ | 10:15 |
| CissWit | i don't know if i did something special, but the other half theme have been detected this time. | 10:16 |
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| Morpog_w | Tuju: as sson as you install play store and play services almostr all apps work | 10:19 |
| Tuju | Morpog_w: i did, but it fails to run. | 10:20 |
| Morpog_w | Joonaa: because they rely on apis provided by play services | 10:20 |
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| Morpog_w | tuju how is the app called exactly? | 10:21 |
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| Tuju | Taxify, http://taxify.eu | 10:21 |
| Tuju | Morpog_w: but i've a list of apps that fail because of gplay | 10:21 |
| Tuju | Zoiper works, but once i instlaled gplay, it complains that gplay doesn't work. | 10:22 |
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| Tuju | this is something where jolla failed, gplay should be available from jolla's repos and someone should monitor if it needs any luv. | 10:23 |
| Nicd- | gplay cannot be available from jolla repos, google will never allow that | 10:23 |
| Morpog_w | tuju, no chance, google would sue the hell out of them | 10:23 |
| Tuju | what prevent's jolla to make its own repo? | 10:23 |
| Nicd- | the law | 10:23 |
| Morpog_w | it's proprietary google software | 10:23 |
| Tuju | this whole concept is fscked up. | 10:23 |
| Morpog_w | taxify works on my jolla btw | 10:24 |
| Nicd- | thank google for that | 10:24 |
| Acce | tell that to Google | 10:24 |
| Tuju | you're fighting against windmills here. | 10:24 |
| Nicd- | they put all the good stuff in their proprietary gplay apis | 10:24 |
| Nicd- | care to elaborate? | 10:24 |
| Morpog_w | I's google's way to keep everyone in their walled garden | 10:24 |
| Tuju | Morpog_w: that's because your gply works. | 10:24 |
| Morpog_w | erm you told me you got it too | 10:24 |
| Tuju | Morpog_w: i do but it doesn't work. If i start "Google services" i get an error message. | 10:25 |
| Morpog_w | just read the install manual on tjc | 10:25 |
| Morpog_w | after that update store and services with aptoide | 10:25 |
| Nicd- | Tuju: who is fighting agains windmills and what do you mean by it? | 10:26 |
| Tuju | Morpog_w: which one you're using: Aptoide or "Aptoide Appstore" ? | 10:26 |
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| Tuju | Morpog_w: i've two similar icons with different texts below 'em. Both seem to open similar looking store. | 10:27 |
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| Tuju | and they both open, with titles "Aptoide" and "Aptoide Appstore" | 10:28 |
| Tuju | heh heh, inside the "Aptoide Appstore" there is a application called "Aptoide" :) | 10:29 |
| Tuju | that's probably where i got the second one. | 10:30 |
| Morpog_w | Aptoide Appstore | 10:32 |
| Tuju | so i remove the other then. | 10:34 |
| Tuju | now i can't sleep next night while wondering why the Apptoide is inside the Apptoide Appstore in the first place. | 10:35 |
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| Tuju | i'm now reinstalling Play services, let's see does it help. | 10:40 |
| Tuju | nope, it didn't. | 10:41 |
| Morpog_w | updated to latest play services? | 10:42 |
| Tuju | lemme check | 10:42 |
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| Tuju | at least Apptoide doesn't show it as an update, it's 6.1.71 | 10:43 |
| Morpog_w | I'm on 6.7.76 | 10:43 |
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| Tuju | this device is pretty recent purchase. | 10:43 |
| Tuju | ewww....that much newer. | 10:44 |
| Morpog_w | can you add a store in aptopde püls | 10:44 |
| Morpog_w | please | 10:44 |
| Tuju | sure, where is that ? | 10:44 |
| Morpog_w | it's called power-freak | 10:44 |
| Morpog_w | in the store category | 10:44 |
| Morpog_w | of aptopde | 10:44 |
| Morpog_w | you should have jolla there at the moment only | 10:45 |
| tango_ | ok, this is what happens when I try to launch Threes (Unity game for android) after Yawhatever http://sprunge.us/jYgR | 10:45 |
| tango_ | used to work on previous OS release | 10:45 |
| tango_ | shall I report to tjc? | 10:45 |
| Morpog_w | need to go now tuju | 10:46 |
| tango_ | btw is there a way to find the sailfish os version I'm on from the command line? | 10:46 |
| Morpog_w | after adding power-freak store go again to update section and refresh, now you should get play store and play services updaters | 10:46 |
| tango_ | ah, ssu re | 10:46 |
| Tuju | Morpog_w: i found 'power store', not a freak. | 10:47 |
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| Morpog_w | power-freak | 10:47 |
| Morpog_w | all in small letters | 10:48 |
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| Morpog_w | gtg cya | 10:48 |
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| Tuju | Mikaela: ack, thanks. | 10:48 |
| Tuju | errr, Morgawr | 10:48 |
| Tuju | crap. | 10:48 |
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| Tuju | now i found power-freak but it's not there. still the same version. | 10:54 |
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| chem|st | tango_: add everything you find to that bug and probably tag it bug too and maybe find another game that crashes the same | 11:13 |
| tango_ | chem|st: I tagged it regression | 11:13 |
| chem|st | s/bug/bugreport/ | 11:13 |
| tango_ | also that's all the info I have presently | 11:13 |
| chem|st | tango_: it is a bug not a regression | 11:13 |
| tango_ | ok | 11:13 |
| tango_ | and thanks for watching over me ;-) | 11:13 |
| tango_ | what's the difference between bug and regression? | 11:14 |
| tango_ | if it worked before and stopped working after isn't this a regression? | 11:14 |
| * tango_ doesn't feel so sure anymore | 11:14 | |
| chem|st | tango_: sailfish 2.0 gestures are a regression | 11:14 |
| tango_ | well, that too | 11:15 |
| chem|st | if something degrades | 11:15 |
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| tango_ | something stopping working I would say degrades 8-D | 11:15 |
| chem|st | if something is crashing that is a bug | 11:15 |
| tango_ | well it's being oom killed | 11:15 |
| chem|st | while playing? | 11:15 |
| tango_ | while starting up | 11:15 |
| tango_ | I think while creating the game textures or something | 11:16 |
| tango_ | I can see the initial screen | 11:16 |
| chem|st | then tag accordingly oom-killer | 11:16 |
| tango_ | I tagged out of memory | 11:16 |
| tango_ | I'm not sure it's the oom-killer killing it | 11:16 |
| chem|st | it is a oom-killer bug | 11:16 |
| tango_ | it encounters an oom condition | 11:16 |
| tango_ | but I don't know if it's the oom-killer killing it, it might be just the program quitting due to proper exception handling | 11:17 |
| tango_ | failed malloc => ok, I quit | 11:17 |
| tango_ | that's why I didn't go with oom-killer | 11:17 |
| chem|st | hmm, would you mind to add journal logs to it too, you can cut it short by setting a time for it eg journalctl --since 12:18 | 11:17 |
| tango_ | gotta go bbl | 11:17 |
| chem|st | later | 11:17 |
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| tango_ | bah false alarm | 11:20 |
| tango_ | chem|st: let me see what the journal has to say | 11:20 |
| tango_ | do I have to devel-su to get the journals? | 11:20 |
| tango_ | hm the journal has nothing to say about oom | 11:22 |
| tango_ | so it looks like it wasn't killed by the oom killer | 11:22 |
| tango_ | and every other game I have works | 11:24 |
| chem|st | threes it was right? | 11:35 |
| chem|st | "Threes!"? that is 1.68 in playstore, well I wont buy an app to further investigate, you are on your own :/ | 11:37 |
| tango_ | chem|st: yah. I got it for cheaper in one of the humble mobile bundles together with a bunch of other games | 11:40 |
| tango_ | I find it interesting that it's not available on the humble store though | 11:40 |
| tango_ | meh | 11:40 |
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| tango_ | I don't think it would be legal to give you the apk just for debugging, would it 8-P | 11:41 |
| tango_ | chem|st: maybe you can ask the Threes devs if they can send you a copy to test on the jolla | 11:41 |
| tango_ | (I like threes because it can use the google play services but it also works without, so it can run on the jolla) | 11:42 |
| tango_ | (and also because it's an addictive game, but that's a different matter) | 11:42 |
| PaulePanter | Are you able to specify a port in the browser? | 11:52 |
| PaulePanter | 192.0.0.1:3000 gets converted to 192.0.0.1.3000 in the browser of my Jolla phone. | 11:52 |
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| tbr | PaulePanter: try prefixing it with http:// - MSIE used to barf on this | 12:09 |
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| chem|st | http://static.trustedreviews.com/94/000031637/6218_orh400w600/Jolla-tablet-1dss.jpg | 13:18 |
| tadzik | looks like a chocolate | 13:18 |
| chem|st | isn't the logo upside down considering camera is up? | 13:18 |
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| Nicd- | good catch | 13:19 |
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| tadzik | haha | 13:19 |
| chem|st | and if the logo is landscape, why are the speakers portrait? | 13:19 |
| chem|st | and if the primary use case is landscape why are the connectors not on one side too... | 13:20 |
| chem|st | "bottom" | 13:20 |
| TemeV | what material is that backcover? | 13:20 |
| chem|st | anodized aluminum | 13:20 |
| TemeV | looks almost like leather in that pic | 13:21 |
| chem|st | that is because 5k people's finger grain is on it^^ | 13:21 |
| TemeV | oh, anodized aliminium, ofcourse | 13:21 |
| chem|st | just like the phone | 13:22 |
| TemeV | looks nice, but the speakers should be for landscape, that would be the only position where one needs stereo speakers | 13:23 |
| chem|st | +1 | 13:23 |
| HtheB | chem|st: no, im talking about native apps! not android apps! | 13:24 |
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| TemeV | but I don't really mind, the sounds is crappy anyway and I don't eveb care if it is stereo or not | 13:24 |
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| chem|st | I revert that connectors moan... it is probably a good idea to have µUSB bottom and 3.5mm top but then again the cameras are on the bottom... | 13:24 |
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| phdeswer | chem|st: with USB connector not on the bottom it is easier to use on a stand | 13:26 |
| chem|st | HtheB: then those native apps are buggy... I have no issues with accounts or ssh, even the browser keeps it active if some page with jscipt keeps some SOCKS open | 13:26 |
| chem|st | phdeswer: it is on the bottom... in landscape | 13:27 |
| HtheB | chem|st: I should ask CepiPerez about it | 13:28 |
| chem|st | the lastucase will be landscape only if I understood that correctly... | 13:28 |
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| HtheB | he's the one who develops Whatsup | 13:28 |
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| chem|st | it needs to request internet connection if it does not want to call home directly | 13:29 |
| chem|st | but otoh why not integrate with telepathy directly? the "yet another messanger" stuff is one reason I do not like android and iOS... living with unified messaging since messaging... | 13:30 |
| chem|st | only thing I have separated is IRC | 13:31 |
| chem|st | but yet that is another messanger in a messanger (and xmpp is kinda buggy with it^^) | 13:32 |
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| phdeswer | chem|st: well you can rotate it so that you have landscape with the connector up. You don't really need tose buttons anyway | 13:35 |
| TemeV | but then the logo is upside down! | 13:35 |
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| TemeV | btw, i saw a whatsapp plugin for telepathy in github, it was quite outdated though | 13:38 |
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| TemeV | someone just needs to update it :) | 13:38 |
| Stskeeps | home, sweet home | 13:38 |
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| politie | what exactly is telepathy | 13:39 |
| politie | ? | 13:39 |
| TemeV | it is the messaging framework used in jolla | 13:39 |
| politie | so when theres a plugin where do the messages go? same place as sms? | 13:40 |
| TemeV | yes | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | that would be nice | 13:40 |
| TemeV | just like xmpp and facebook messages right now | 13:41 |
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| TemeV | and telegram in my phone :) | 13:41 |
| politie | ah dont use xmpp or facebook :p, ill go and try to get telegram in it | 13:41 |
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| chem|st | phdeswer: what about volume-rocker? | 13:42 |
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| TemeV | https://github.com/TemeV/telepathy-morse | 13:42 |
| politie | thank you | 13:42 |
| TemeV | though there is quite some limitations to that | 13:42 |
| phdeswer | chem|st: how often do you need that? And even if you would need to adjust volume like for a video, the controls are also on-screen | 13:42 |
| politie | yea i read no sending files etc. | 13:42 |
| chem|st | are they? | 13:42 |
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| chem|st | politie: the messanger is missing essential glue atm | 13:43 |
| politie | telepathy itself? | 13:43 |
| politie | or the telegram plugin | 13:43 |
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| TemeV | telegram plugin and jolla messaging app both actuall | 13:44 |
| TemeV | y | 13:44 |
| chem|st | politie: no the frontend, is missing things like attaching files | 13:44 |
| TemeV | telepathy itself can handle those | 13:44 |
| chem|st | you cannot even start an MMS from it | 13:44 |
| politie | ah ok | 13:44 |
| TemeV | I really hope Jolla will do something about it | 13:45 |
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| chem|st | TemeV: I hope that for a year now | 13:45 |
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| politie | shame | 13:46 |
| TemeV | chem|st: mee too | 13:46 |
| chem|st | no SIP within 14Month, no file send-receive, no nothing | 13:46 |
| chem|st | no XMPP plugins etc | 13:46 |
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| Lieke | i just hope for otr support | 13:46 |
| uuhimhere | can you use pidgin on jolla? | 13:47 |
| chem|st | 12 month ago OTR was broken in telepathy, don't know if that changed | 13:47 |
| HtheB | chem|st: it's not something that you could easily port into "default messaging" app | 13:48 |
| tbr | for pidgin plugins there is telepathy-haze | 13:48 |
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| tbr | simple messaging protocols should "just work" if one goes and compiles the plugins | 13:48 |
| tbr | e.g. SIPe through telepathy-haze if someone wants Microsoft Lync | 13:48 |
| chem|st | HtheB: never said it was easy | 13:49 |
| chem|st | but without opening up the sources the community is stuck with what is there frontend wise | 13:49 |
| politie | telepathy sounds like it has potential, but it seems theyre not putting alot of effort in it | 13:50 |
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| TemeV | telepathy is also used in KDE and Gnome I think | 13:50 |
| chem|st | politie: on N900 and N9 you could do much more with the unified msger than on jolla | 13:51 |
| chem|st | TemeV: yeah with empathy as frontend | 13:51 |
| chem|st | at least for gnome | 13:51 |
| TemeV | KDE has KDE-Telepathy or something like that | 13:51 |
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| ggabriel | maybe the messenger is the next thing that has to go open source | 13:51 |
| ggabriel | and then the community has at least access to all the layers | 13:52 |
| ggabriel | and can do whatever | 13:52 |
| chem|st | or get as much love as the events-view | 13:52 |
| chem|st | but if it goes the same road we will wait till SFOS 3.0 for that... | 13:52 |
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| greenit | hi, i should hear a sound from both speakers at the bottom, right? | 13:59 |
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| tadzik | no | 14:00 |
| tadzik | one of them is a microphone :) | 14:00 |
| greenit | really? | 14:01 |
| Joonaa | fun fact: skype outputs audio from the speaker at the bottom, so the other party will have echo :) | 14:01 |
| greenit | so... which one is the micro? | 14:01 |
| tadzik | the one that you can't hear :D | 14:02 |
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| greenit | i just want to be sure u're not fooling me ;-) | 14:02 |
| Joonaa | he's not | 14:02 |
| Joonaa | where do you think the mic could be | 14:02 |
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| greenit | just tell me which of the both and i'm convinced :) | 14:04 |
| greenit | of the two* | 14:04 |
| Joonaa | well i cant play anything from the speakers at work | 14:04 |
| Joonaa | try it yourself | 14:04 |
| tbr | ggabriel: you're welcome to help m4rtink and locusf work on the replacement messenger | 14:05 |
| tbr | I've shown that the old DE/CE/Nemo messenger UI works just fine on sailfish, but it would need a rewrite | 14:06 |
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| greenit | are there any tech papers where the speaker and mic are described? i just want to be sure | 14:09 |
| tbr | greenit: only one speaker at the bottom | 14:11 |
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| tbr | greenit: the other grill either has a microphone or nothing, I forget | 14:11 |
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| TemeV | it has the mice | 14:13 |
| greenit | well... after 3 people told me now... i think it could be true... :) thanks for the answers | 14:13 |
| TemeV | there is tmo thread where someone disassembles his jolla | 14:14 |
| greenit | however, can you tell me on which side the speaker is? left or right? | 14:14 |
| greenit | tmo? | 14:15 |
| TemeV | talk.maemo.org | 14:15 |
| greenit | ah,ok | 14:15 |
| greenit | typing on the jolla is faster than i thought^^ | 14:16 |
| Joonaa | im terribly slow typing on phone >* | 14:16 |
| Joonaa | :(* | 14:16 |
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| chem|st | greenit: left is speaker | 14:23 |
| ggabriel | some of the quotes are fun: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1463250&postcount=1057 | 14:23 |
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| chem|st | lol | 14:26 |
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| fgkig | locusf: your post om pi forums still not approved... :s | 14:42 |
| locusf | fgkig: yeah | 14:42 |
| fgkig | oh well/.. im still not following what your issue is with yhe screen... u camt use the driver? | 14:44 |
| locusf | ah now its approved | 14:44 |
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| fgkig | you didnt add your yt link | 14:46 |
| fgkig | of sailfish bootimg | 14:46 |
| locusf | well there is a video on the part 2 of the articcles | 14:47 |
| fgkig | oh yeah forgot | 14:48 |
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| fgkig | https://sailpi.wordpress.com/overclocking/ | 14:49 |
| fgkig | thought stock pi2 was 900mhz... | 14:50 |
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| locusf | afaik its not in mgz in the config | 14:57 |
| fgkig | yeah but isnt arm-freq the one u need to change | 15:02 |
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| jubo2 | No-one still figured out imaging the system portion of the phone before smashing everything into bitdust | 15:02 |
| jubo2 | Anyone want to buy a used phone | 15:03 |
| jubo2 | just as soon as I've taken it to the service and they send it back | 15:03 |
| fgkig | locusf: and i tjink is... http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=26633 | 15:03 |
| jubo2 | hopefully not with sideways swiping in home screen to get to the ambiences broken 99,8% of the time | 15:03 |
| jubo2 | Interesting that untested products are sent back from the servicing | 15:04 |
| fgkig | locusf: https://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/raspberry-pi/how-to-overclock-raspberry-pi/ | 15:07 |
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| locusf | I don't know | 15:08 |
| locusf | maybe my cowriter had it wrong then | 15:08 |
| nander | Congrats by the way on being the only mobile os not vulnerable to FREAK. Webpirate is vulnerable btw | 15:08 |
| fgkig | locusf: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=48&t=65854 | 15:09 |
| nander | By the way, did 1.1.2 fix some powermanagement? It seems to use way less power now | 15:10 |
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| fgkig | locusf: so that tutorial om ur blog is actually an umderclock tutorial | 15:13 |
| fgkig | ... | 15:13 |
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| AmadeusXNet | fgkig: read again.. | 15:17 |
| fgkig | yeah it speeds up the gpu which loads everyhimg | 15:18 |
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| fgkig | oh u vhangefnit | 15:19 |
| fgkig | changed it | 15:19 |
| AmadeusXNet | fgkig: What I meant is that it's fixed ;) | 15:19 |
| AmadeusXNet | Yeah | 15:19 |
| fgkig | have u tried that core freq? | 15:20 |
| AmadeusXNet | Oh yes | 15:21 |
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| AmadeusXNet | Thinking of trying a higher value :) | 15:21 |
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| AmadeusXNet | fgkig: Mine is running on: 575 | 15:22 |
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| AmadeusXNet | fgkig: And temp=44.9'C | 15:24 |
| jubo2 | Things that make you go "Interesting." and go on | 15:25 |
| fgkig | thats jumction temp | 15:26 |
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| fgkig | whonder whay die temp is | 15:26 |
| fgkig | do i jave a thermometer? xd | 15:27 |
| jubo2 | I don't see what the techincal difficulty in dividing the material on the flash storage to "system file areas" and "user file areas" and then image the system file areas before turning everything on storage device to bitdust? | 15:27 |
| ggabriel | well, if it's a real question, die is the singular of dice | 15:27 |
| jubo2 | this way one would be able to afterwards observe which problem was HW and which SW related if the SW state can be examined after the phone has been reset | 15:28 |
| fgkig | die is tje simgular for things still wastimg o2 :p | 15:29 |
| jubo2 | Maybe Jolla Ltd is just an another corporation doing the corporation thing. Not caring about their customer experience | 15:29 |
| fgkig | what are u going on about | 15:30 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: if you have nothing worthwhile to say, how about just don't say anything | 15:31 |
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| jubo2 | Nicd-: yeah.. critisizm is not worthwhile. We're engineers from and engineering corporation after all | 15:31 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: most of what you say is not constructive and you keep repeating the same stuff for months on end | 15:32 |
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| jubo2 | I just wanted to suggest to image the system files before wiping factory reset.. This way one may likely catch and eliminate bugs faster mmkay? | 15:33 |
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| jubo2 | and I am a stakeholder | 15:33 |
| jubo2 | I'm the customer ain't I ? | 15:33 |
| jubo2 | It's not all about engineers. It's about the shareholders and the ultimate consumer too. | 15:34 |
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| Nicd- | how do you know they don't image the system files? | 15:35 |
| tiwake | oh hey, jolla got the best table award | 15:35 |
| Nicd- | jolla makes furniture?! | 15:36 |
| tiwake | https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jolla-tablet-world-s-first-crowdsourced-tablet#activity | 15:36 |
| Nicd- | I was joking :) | 15:37 |
| fgkig | maybe theyve been bought oit by ikea | 15:37 |
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| tiwake | ooo... ikea+jolla | 15:37 |
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| tiwake | jolkea | 15:38 |
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| the_mgt | makes sense, ikea just added wireless charging to their furniture | 15:38 |
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| fgkig | ikolla | 15:42 |
| fgkig | might get sued by coca cola though.. | 15:42 |
| tiwake | neh | 15:42 |
| tiwake | unless the logo is close to the same | 15:43 |
| fgkig | wait is ll pronoumced yy in fin? | 15:44 |
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| Nicd- | no | 15:47 |
| Tegu | seagatefish | 15:47 |
| fgkig | dont u mean mongoliandeathworm | 15:49 |
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| messerting | Congrats on the TrustedReviews "Best Tablet of MWC15" award sailors! | 16:03 |
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| tiwake | oh nice, there are a whole bunch of games coming to linux | 16:05 |
| tiwake | on steam | 16:05 |
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| Scelt | tiwake: link? | 16:06 |
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| tiwake | http://store.steampowered.com/sale/steamos_sale | 16:07 |
| tiwake | they put all the games that are in the process of being ported for linux on sale | 16:08 |
| tiwake | oh hey, payday2 | 16:08 |
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| baum | hello, by chance anyone knows a good paper on how to acess the camera via php/c/qt5 ? | 16:11 |
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| tiwake | this game looks like fun... http://store.steampowered.com/app/255710/ | 16:17 |
| tiwake | I wonder if they have scenarios where a city is forced, like from a military base close by | 16:18 |
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| HtheB | coderus: ping | 16:40 |
| baum | ah yes, another question: by chance anyone is familiar with a short intro into python programming on sailfish? | 16:43 |
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| coderus | HtheB: pong? | 17:13 |
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| coderus | baum: https://www.google.com/search?q=pyotherside+sailfish | 17:15 |
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| baum | coderus: you won't belive it but i found this on my own :) i was more looking for something like a book, thanks anyways.... | 17:17 |
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| coderus | pyotherside is pyotherside | 17:17 |
| coderus | read anything and it will apply to sailfish also | 17:17 |
| baum | oh alright, sweet | 17:18 |
| baum | thanks | 17:19 |
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| Ponchale | hi | 18:07 |
| Ponchale | how are you team Jolla | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | tired | 18:08 |
| urs | Jolly good, of course | 18:08 |
| HtheB | :( | 18:09 |
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| Ponchale | sailfish group referred me to this channel, as we are this interested us form an alliance with jolla | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | Ponchale: send me an e-mail on carsten.munk@jolla.com and i can forward you to the right people | 18:10 |
| Ponchale | and want to know if this is the channel of the staff or at least where we can have a conversation with someone close to the staff | 18:10 |
| Stskeeps | we have a lot of staffers here but anything business goes on in different matters | 18:11 |
| HtheB | Ponchale: we are this interested us form an alliance with jolla << can you define 'we'? I'm interested who you are :) | 18:11 |
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| Ponchale | my name is Alfonso Hernandez founder and director of development and innovation of Colombian EasyLabs software development company | 18:15 |
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| HtheB | welcome aboard Ponchale :) | 18:16 |
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| Ponchale | then we want to distribute the phones in LA and likewise create a oem starting from sailfish and being the only representatives in this area. LA is Latin America is a very strong market in mobile telephony where and always have very encuenta here are the alternatives and want to be their strategic allies | 18:19 |
| Ponchale | Htheb then we want to distribute the phones in LA and likewise create a oem starting from sailfish and being the only representatives in this area. LA is Latin America is a very strong market in mobile telephony where and always have very encuenta here are the alternatives and want to be their strategic allies | 18:19 |
| HtheB | Sounds very interesting! :) | 18:19 |
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| Nicd- | Ponchale: note that this is not an official channel and jolla does not do business here | 18:21 |
| Nicd- | also most people here are not part of the company | 18:21 |
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| coderus | i think Stskeeps already told so | 18:22 |
| baum | Ponchale: yes, you definitly might want to consider sending them an email | 18:22 |
| Nicd- | so I suggest you take Stskeeps's advice (he works for them) and send them an email :) | 18:22 |
| Ponchale | ok | 18:22 |
| Ponchale | thanks for the interest shown | 18:23 |
| HtheB | Ponchale: you're always welcome here though! :) | 18:24 |
| Ponchale | Stskeeps: I just sent the email | 18:28 |
| Acce | yep, good to have representation from yet another continent :) | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | Ponchale: thanks, i'll get you in touch | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | we just came back from MWC so expect a few days delay | 18:28 |
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| Ponchale | Stskeeps: I hope your answer, to know approximately how long they give me an answer on the talk there ok? | 18:30 |
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| AL13N | i'm not too fond of the browser tabbing system | 21:37 |
| AL13N | 1. the browser opens pages just a bit too large (in landscape mode), which means i always have to pinch it a bit | 21:38 |
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| AL13N | 2. my tabs are now in reverse order after upgrade, and they stay where they are, i can't move or switch them around, to be able to find the tab that i want | 21:38 |
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| ShadowJK | I haven't noticed 1, but I noticed 2, because previously the tab behaviours was "weird", and then I got used to it, and now tab behaviour changed, and I'm not used to it | 21:40 |
| ShadowJK | I mean, I kinda got used to the inverted tab order of the previous browser version | 21:40 |
| ShadowJK | But now I'm not sure what the order is :D | 21:40 |
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| AL13N | ShadowJK: it may be true wrt the previously inverted tab behavior. atm there is no order, it doesn't change anymore; but i want to at least move them to a sane place now | 21:53 |
| AL13N | ie: have all the webcomics together | 21:54 |
| AL13N | also what you see in the tab is just a blown up left upper shot instead of the whole screen | 21:54 |
| AL13N | not easy to see which is which | 21:54 |
| AL13N | and very annoying when browsing webcomics to have to EVERY page view, pinch it a bit | 21:55 |
| AL13N | i mean, you watch a comic, pinch, next, pinch again, next, pinch again, etc... | 21:55 |
| AL13N | very annoying | 21:55 |
| AL13N | it sort of used to fit width | 21:55 |
| ShadowJK | Yeah, it's hard to tell what is what | 21:57 |
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| ShadowJK | tap and hold should enable moving, imo | 21:57 |
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| chem|st | AL13N: found the report on tjc? | 22:25 |
| AL13N | chem|st: didn't find anything on that yet | 22:26 |
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| AL13N | chem|st: you have? | 22:27 |
| AL13N | ShadowJK: i've tried to tap and hold | 22:27 |
| AL13N | no deal, it seems | 22:27 |
| chem|st | upside down tabs I guess is there already | 22:27 |
| chem|st | for the browserpage I do not know | 22:27 |
| AL13N | well, i don't quite care about that, i need to move them to a proper place | 22:27 |
| chem|st | people complain about landscape needs two hands... | 22:28 |
| AL13N | since they aren't moving anymore, i need to put them in a proper place | 22:28 |
| AL13N | i find landscape browsing easier when i'm in bed | 22:28 |
| AL13N | and read up on webcomics | 22:28 |
| chem|st | yeah but complaining about the taskbar being two hands? | 22:29 |
| AL13N | i can't find anything now with my 30+ tabs | 22:29 |
| AL13N | chem|st: i donno | 22:29 |
| AL13N | i do think the previous taskbar was better | 22:29 |
| AL13N | but it's more annoying that all pages are opened too big | 22:29 |
| chem|st | that tabbing has to be changed, hopefully they come up with a better idea | 22:29 |
| AL13N | and i have to make them fit width | 22:29 |
| chem|st | hmm | 22:29 |
| chem|st | lmc | 22:29 |
| AL13N | if i could move the tabs around that would be ok for me, (if they would make the tabs icon actually have the full size of the page instead of an enlarged 9th of the actual page | 22:30 |
| chem|st | got it... | 22:31 |
| chem|st | all non-mobile pages need a little pinch | 22:31 |
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| keithzg | Hooray, my carrier is finally getting LTE! | 23:23 |
| keithzg | Sadness, it still isn't a frequency that Jolla supports! | 23:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | they need to get over this whole no multitouch gestures thing | 23:35 |
| r0kk3rz | makes things where you zoom impossible to use | 23:35 |
| chem|st | r0kk3rz: let them first get over "no dumb mode two gestures for one action" please | 23:36 |
| r0kk3rz | not sure i follow | 23:38 |
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