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| louisdk | So Jolla just won an MWC award for their tablet. Just wondering what Nokia or Steven Elop might think. | 00:08 |
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| keithzg | louisdk: Elop would probably just say "sorry, what? I couldn't hear you over the sound of all my money." | 00:38 |
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| louisdk | keithzg, probably, but he didn't succed in killing MeeGo. | 00:42 |
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| keithzg | louisdk: Ehhh, he didn't really care about killing MeeGo, he (and the board) just wanted to sell Nokia. MeeGo was a complication in that respect, and so got hobbled, but I doubt he has any sort of personal antipathy towards MeeGo. | 00:45 |
| keithzg | Admittedly, ex-Nokians succeeding in the mobile space does make his strategy for Nokia look bad, so I guess he might get upset with that. | 00:45 |
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| louisdk | But luckly MeeGo development continue in the hands of Jolla. | 00:48 |
| keithzg | Yup, although it's a bit more MeeGo-y than I hoped, I really have never gotten along with RPM ;) | 00:51 |
| louisdk | keithzg, not an RPM niether, but it has got a lot better since I started using Linux decade ago. But I guess Jolla see no point in changing the Mer core. | 00:54 |
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| keithzg | louisdk: Yeah, I've yet to end up in RPM hell in SailfishOS, it just makes me a bit annoyed with Intel forcing things over to jive with how Moblin was being done, and then abandoning it all anyways! | 00:56 |
| louisdk | jive? | 00:57 |
| louisdk | keithzg, do you mean this company https://www.jivesoftware.com/ or was it a type mistake? | 00:59 |
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| keithzg | louisdk: no, "jive with" as in "go along with" | 01:04 |
| keithzg | An appropriation of "jibe", I think. | 01:05 |
| keithzg | Slang upon slang, heh. | 01:05 |
| louisdk | keithzg, oh okay. I see the new SailfishOS 2.0 UI as being more N9-like, not in a bad bad way. I think it'll be easier for odinary people to adopt. | 01:07 |
| keithzg | louisdk: Ah, that's an entirely different story (I was just talking about how Moblin was RPM-based). Generally speaking for me the more N9-like the better, although one of those things would be to be DEB-based ;) but that ship has long since sailed. | 01:10 |
| keithzg | As long as I can still swipe down to close an app I'm good with the changes, heh. | 01:10 |
| henk | Does anyone know if Quikwriting (as in http://nongnu.org/qwo/ and http://mrl.nyu.edu/projects/quikwriting/) is implemented for jolla? | 01:12 |
| louisdk | keithzg, yearh let's see. SailfishOS 2.0 is still to be released. | 01:12 |
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| Vegeshite_mite | locusf, hey | 02:35 |
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| uuhimhere | so did symbian os ever get forked when it was open sourced ? | 04:28 |
| Cal-Drone | :o | 04:30 |
| uuhimhere | :o | 04:33 |
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| coderus | symbian was opensourced? :O | 05:03 |
| coderus | when? who? how? where? | 05:07 |
| uuhimhere | http://www.zdnet.com/article/symbian-fully-open-sourced-ahead-of-schedule/#! | 05:07 |
| uuhimhere | according to that | 05:07 |
| coderus | where the source codes? | 05:08 |
| uuhimhere | thats what im wondering | 05:09 |
| coderus | there was some pdkv1 and pdkv3, and then symbian was sold to Accenture and sources gone | 05:09 |
| uuhimhere | if anybody forked it | 05:09 |
| uuhimhere | before it was closed again | 05:09 |
| coderus | symbian is not opensource :) | 05:09 |
| uuhimhere | well not anymore | 05:09 |
| uuhimhere | i said was | 05:09 |
| uuhimhere | for a while... alot like open office | 05:09 |
| uuhimhere | from what i understand | 05:09 |
| coderus | http://rutracker.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3723606 | 05:10 |
| coderus | like this | 05:10 |
| coderus | you can find it yourself | 05:10 |
| coderus | and thepiratebay ofc: https://thepiratebay.se/torrent/6313931/Symbian_PDK__Symbian_source_code__documentation | 05:11 |
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| coderus | i have used it for a while for s^3 mods :) | 05:12 |
| trt` | я не понимаю | 05:12 |
| uuhimhere | does that mean that its illegal because it isnt an actual fork of the project and mere distribution of now-closed source? | 05:12 |
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| trt` | Does anyone even have legal rights over symbian anyway? Nokia stopped support a year ago.. | 05:13 |
| coderus | uuhimhere: this is sources of first release of S^3 platform | 05:13 |
| coderus | trt`: Accenture have | 05:13 |
| coderus | uuhimhere: no idea about legal | 05:14 |
| trt` | oh yeah, I see | 05:15 |
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| trt` | coderus, are you in Germany. | 05:23 |
| trt` | ? | 05:23 |
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| coderus | no | 05:33 |
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| uuhimhere | so are germans vikings? | 05:34 |
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| uuhimhere | *were | 05:34 |
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| coderus | why? | 05:35 |
| Teemu | no | 05:35 |
| Teemu | danes were | 05:35 |
| Teemu | then later on parts of danmark decided to be sweden and norway | 05:36 |
| trt` | where you at then, coderus? | 05:38 |
| coderus | russia | 05:38 |
| trt` | do you have a german bnc | 05:38 |
| trt` | why do you have a .de host? | 05:39 |
| trt` | Anyway, Russia, How is there? I mean people.. what kinds of phones do they mostly use? | 05:39 |
| trt` | Does anyone.. ultimately want to have an iPhone? | 05:40 |
| coderus | trt`: me have de host? :O | 05:40 |
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| trt` | ..and those who don't have the iPhones, have cheap Androids? | 05:40 |
| trt` | ~coderus@static.88-198-208-108.clients.your-server.de | 05:41 |
| coderus | trt`: we have iphones and windowsphones, and just a little amount of iphones | 05:41 |
| uuhimhere | whats the point of having an expensive android... if its still android? | 05:41 |
| coderus | trt`: lol, it's freenode irc comains, not me | 05:41 |
| coderus | domains* | 05:41 |
| trt` | i see | 05:41 |
| trt` | ok | 05:41 |
| coderus | ah, we also haveyotaphones, but nobody have seen it :D | 05:42 |
| coderus | have yotaphones* | 05:42 |
| trt` | :) | 05:42 |
| coderus | i didn't even saw it in retails shops | 05:42 |
| trt` | yota phones are too expensive | 05:42 |
| coderus | it present in very rare shops :D | 05:42 |
| coderus | but it have second ink screen! :D | 05:42 |
| trt` | Where in russia are you at? Moscow? | 05:42 |
| coderus | no | 05:43 |
| trt` | Still in European part? | 05:43 |
| coderus | no | 05:43 |
| coderus | i need to go | 05:45 |
| trt` | uuhimhere, it makes sense having an expensive Android phone to me... After all I have one ;) | 05:45 |
| trt` | Take care coderus ! | 05:45 |
| trt` | Keep Russia iPhone free ;) | 05:45 |
| coderus | i think we have some law against iphone in russia, but don't know if it working at all :D | 05:46 |
| trt` | reverse sanction ;) | 05:46 |
| trt` | I know the mobile operators in Russia don't sell it | 05:47 |
| uuhimhere | trt`, yeah having an expensive android phone is like having an expensive made in china car | 05:47 |
| trt` | Megaphone said they don't like Apple trying to monopolize and all... Apple want to charge mobile operators for selling iPhone | 05:47 |
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| trt` | No, Android phones need fast processors, lots of RAM. That's why buying a cheap one is not a really good deal... especially if the Android is all forked.. | 05:50 |
| uuhimhere | yeah the reason they need all that power is because of java | 05:51 |
| Teemu | garbage collection works just fine if you have at least half of the ram free | 05:52 |
| Teemu | below that it starts to have serious performance drawbacks | 05:52 |
| uuhimhere | no matter how much youre paying... in the end the horsepower just goes to make up for the inefficiency of the transmission | 05:52 |
| trt` | Now tho, I think it's getting better with Lollipop, 64bit devices, Android One program.. competitive Chinese OEM pushing devices with flagship specs at crazy low prices | 05:53 |
| trt` | how can you keep half of the RAM free? | 05:54 |
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| uuhimhere | unplug it XD | 05:54 |
| Teemu | you'd have to take that into account in the UI and scheduler and the program-killing-daemon | 05:54 |
| Teemu | now that they don't, everybody will run into less than half of ram free and will have slowness | 05:55 |
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| trt` | Teemu, how is Sailfish running so smooth? | 05:59 |
| uuhimhere | it uses magic | 05:59 |
| trt` | :) | 05:59 |
| uuhimhere | EtherPowered(R) | 06:00 |
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| trt` | yeah ok | 06:01 |
| Teemu | kauko nieminen was summoned to ruoholahti and helped coax the ether vortexes into synchronous operation | 06:01 |
| uuhimhere | no | 06:02 |
| uuhimhere | the retro encabulator was used to multiples the sub phase generator into a more efficient sequential state machine | 06:03 |
| Teemu | ah oh i see, those can be constructed out of rom so the cpu is free to do more important tasks | 06:04 |
| uuhimhere | trt`, it uses retroencabulation technology : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w | 06:04 |
| uuhimhere | something like that | 06:04 |
| trt` | :) | 06:05 |
| Teemu | before mcus were common, finite state machines were often used for control tasks, requiring just an eprom chip and a clock | 06:06 |
| Teemu | if you ever wondered why some end of 70s thing seemingly has no cpu it is because it hasn't | 06:06 |
| trt` | alright guys | 06:06 |
| trt` | Bye | 06:07 |
| lpotter | it's powered by gnome eating trolls | 06:07 |
| uuhimhere | gnomes dont eat trolls | 06:08 |
| uuhimhere | trolls eat trolls | 06:08 |
| Teemu | trolls eat anything | 06:08 |
| uuhimhere | youre a troll | 06:08 |
| Teemu | don't feed the troll | 06:08 |
| kimmoli | that escalated quickly | 06:09 |
| uuhimhere | Teemu, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM&spfreload=10 | 06:10 |
| Teemu | <3 | 06:10 |
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| KING_OF_KONG | Teemu, did you eat mr trol | 06:18 |
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| KING_OF_KONG | Teemu, well RIP alas you met a troll with a bigger apetite | 06:29 |
| KING_OF_KONG | whos a bigger troll king kong or godzilla? | 06:29 |
| Teemu | rick ashtley | 06:30 |
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| KING_OF_KONG | rick who? | 06:31 |
| KING_OF_KONG | is she that wardrobe malfunction chick | 06:31 |
| Teemu | nope :) | 06:32 |
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| KING_OF_KONG | Teemu, is she your maternal parent | 07:06 |
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| japa-fi | I got message "sailfish od could not be updated, try again later". Any suggestions what went wrong? Too little available space? Problem with downloaded data integrity, other? | 08:26 |
| tbr | do you have third party packages installed or repositories enabled? | 08:28 |
| japa-fi | warehouse | 08:29 |
| japa-fi | and stuff from warehouse | 08:29 |
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| japa-fi | should warehouse be disabled? | 08:32 |
| * tbr slowly backs away, good luck | 08:33 | |
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| tango_ | lol | 08:40 |
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| japa-fi | retried the update, phone claimed to download something, though im not sure if it did other than verified the files (my network dataflow monitor didn't show much activity). Now it started updating. hope I don't get bricked | 08:42 |
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| japa-fi | update done, phone still alive. :) | 09:05 |
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| japa-fi | battery went from 99% to 50% | 09:06 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | thats because you dont have blast processing | 09:06 |
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| tadzik | japa-fi: what kind of network dataflow monitor are you using? | 09:07 |
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| coderus | tbr: it would be better if ssu log what king of error happened exactly on "sailfish od could not be updated, try again later". | 09:08 |
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| japa-fi | tadzik, from my router... | 09:11 |
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| tadzik | ah, alright | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | moo Venemo | 09:28 |
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| Venemo | moo Stskeeps, what's up? :) | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | back from mwc, exhausted | 09:36 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, that demo from sledges on Nexus 5, was that SFOS 2.0 or a new version of stella launcher with sfos 2.0 style? | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | Morpog_PC: 2.0 | 09:38 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC: https://twitter.com/vgrade/status/573375605640695808 | 09:39 |
| Morpog_PC | interesting, so the camera app got reworked too | 09:39 |
| Teemu | video url? | 09:39 |
| Stskeeps | really? | 09:39 |
| Morpog_PC | at least the effect looked different when changing to gallery | 09:39 |
| coderus | tbr: i have only N5 video url: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQtd_PqNR2E | 09:41 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah that was the video | 09:42 |
| Morpog_PC | I can't wait for it, it's alot like harmattan :D | 09:44 |
| Stskeeps | maybe different camera app? | 09:44 |
| Venemo | Stskeeps: how was the MWC? | 09:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | now after watching again it looks the same as in Jolla phone, maybe i was confused when I watched it earlier | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: tiring, but very good feedback | 09:46 |
| Morpog_PC | it seems people understand the 2.0 UI better | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | quite better yeah | 09:47 |
| tbr | let's just hope that brings in at least one customer who licenses sailfish | 09:47 |
| tbr | otherwise I don't see Jolla making it into 2016 | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: yeah, that was feedback on a number of sites | 09:48 |
| Stskeeps | as a single-vendor isn't sustainable | 09:48 |
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| Venemo | I'm just curious about how the new UI is gonna be presented on the phone | 09:50 |
| tbr | who knows maybe finally the 200M sailfish alliance member investments happen and we will have a whole zoo of phones in a year | 09:50 |
| Teemu | now that elevator discojax sound logo was horrible | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | Venemo: similarly to tablet | 09:50 |
| Morpog_PC | Venemo, there are already videos of SFOS 2.0 on the phone | 09:50 |
| Stskeeps | same codeline | 09:50 |
| Teemu | otherwise that video was nice | 09:50 |
| Venemo | Morpog_PC: link pls :) | 09:51 |
| tbr | coderus: ? | 09:51 |
| Morpog_PC | Venemo, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2-w5jIxySM&t=18&hd=1 | 09:52 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | tbr, hey if locusf 's project gets off the ground who knows maybe raspberry foundation might license it? | 09:56 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | XD | 09:56 |
| locusf | heheh :) | 09:56 |
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| Stskeeps | i got myself one of those google cardboard thingies at mwc | 09:57 |
| Morpog_PC | SailfishVR? :D | 09:58 |
| Mikaela | VR as in trains in Finland? | 09:59 |
| Venemo | hm | 09:59 |
| Venemo | so basically, SF OS 2.0 will return to the same basic idea that was in harmattan? | 09:59 |
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| Morpog_PC | almost | 10:00 |
| Morpog_PC | app drawer is separated | 10:01 |
| friese | yeah sailfish 2 sure looks nice. i'm a bit worried about the missing app-close gestures, i don't think the alternative system is quite that handy to use (i'm often having problems hitting those tiny close-buttons) | 10:03 |
| Morpog_PC | I guess they will work on an alternative | 10:03 |
| tbr | let's hope it will be still in there and one can activate it either deep in settings or by poking a file | 10:04 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | locusf, so hows the sailpi | 10:06 |
| locusf | Vegeshite_Mite: trying to get qtwayland on it | 10:06 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | locusf, i was thinking if/when rbpi foundation releases a bcm2836 compute module it could actually fit into a slim case | 10:07 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | Stskeeps, what was wrong with the old UI | 10:09 |
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| Stskeeps | ok, cardboard is kinda neat | 10:16 |
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| r0kk3rz | Stskeeps: google cardboard? | 11:15 |
| r0kk3rz | gonna make jollatab cardboard? | 11:15 |
| r0kk3rz | probably be a bit heavy... but would look hilarious | 11:16 |
| r0kk3rz | could always try and balance the weight like they did with the sony thing | 11:16 |
| Stskeeps | r0kk3rz: http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/16/6256729/airvr-attach-your-ipad-directly-to-your-face | 11:18 |
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| sharpneli | And then proceed to puke | 11:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | iBorg | 11:19 |
| r0kk3rz | looks like a plot from a dr who episode | 11:19 |
| sharpneli | I have a strong hunch that this current gen VR stuff will cause yet another 20 year slump on them | 11:20 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe | 11:21 |
| r0kk3rz | or the tech is now good enough for it to work | 11:21 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than being really expensive, heavy, and not that good | 11:21 |
| r0kk3rz | like is was 10 years ago | 11:21 |
| sharpneli | The issue is with latency | 11:22 |
| sharpneli | You need sub 10ms latency for the head tracking or people will start to puke | 11:22 |
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| sharpneli | And the modern gfx pipeline is more like 3 frames latency which means almost 50ms already. | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | thats assuming a full reactive pipeline | 11:23 |
| sharpneli | Yap. | 11:23 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than a pre-emptive pipeline | 11:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | how well that can work is another question, but carmacks on the case | 11:24 |
| sharpneli | Sure. I'm not saying it's impossible | 11:24 |
| r0kk3rz | if anyone can figure it out, its him | 11:24 |
| sharpneli | But it's not gonna work by some people putting iPad on your face | 11:25 |
| sharpneli | Because that particular HW was not designed with latency in mind. And it's understandable. | 11:25 |
| r0kk3rz | well no, would be better to try the gearVR stuff | 11:26 |
| r0kk3rz | since that has buy in from samsung | 11:26 |
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| r0kk3rz | or the hacked note display on the rift | 11:27 |
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| ikarus | r0kk3rz: Carmack is very much on the "let's go back to basics to get performance up high enough for VR" | 11:29 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | so how is neo900 going on | 11:29 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | anybody knows | 11:29 |
| ikarus | Vegeshite_Mite: from what my sources tell me, they are plodding along | 11:29 |
| ikarus | which reminds me, I still want to try porting Maemo to Jolla ;) | 11:30 |
| r0kk3rz | ikarus: the very blunt presentation he gave on it was quite good | 11:30 |
| ikarus | stupid me actually prefers it | 11:30 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: yup | 11:30 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | why not port jolla to n900 | 11:30 |
| freemangordon | hi guys, does jolla phone support uploading photos/videos to facebook and if yes, is that functionality FOSS? | 11:30 |
| ikarus | Vegeshite_Mite: because I like the way Maemo worked ? | 11:30 |
| r0kk3rz | maemo is the more mature/complete operating system | 11:30 |
| ikarus | Vegeshite_Mite: for me a desktop with widgets (arranged for work, home, hobby) was a good thing, as was the always in view status bar | 11:31 |
| ikarus | Ofcourse Android, even though it has that, is otherwise so utterly idiotic, that it's barely usable on a tablet, let alone a phone | 11:33 |
| freemangordon | hmm, I guess I answered the question by myself https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugins-social | 11:33 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | ikarus, yeah but jolla is the spiritual successor to maemo | 11:33 |
| ikarus | Vegeshite_Mite: sure, but that doesn't mean that all the changes are improvements for me | 11:34 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | ikarus, maybe if more n900 users started using sailfish it might become just as mature | 11:34 |
| ikarus | the covers, nice idea, but I can't on boot up load a bunch of covers and make sure they stick around | 11:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | i dont think its a user problem, its a resources problem | 11:35 |
| ikarus | let alone change the set of visible covers with a flick of my thumb | 11:35 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure nokia put a lot more into maemo than jolla has available | 11:35 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | so who owns maemo now | 11:35 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | is it still closed? | 11:35 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | source | 11:35 |
| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: microsoft | 11:35 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | i heard nokias moving away from msoft now | 11:36 |
| freemangordon | the source code of the closed parts that is | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | freemangordon: really? | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | then maemo really is a dead end... | 11:36 |
| tbr | as if that wasn't clear 3 years ago already | 11:36 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | maybe jolla could cajole nokia into adapting sailfish | 11:37 |
| freemangordon | r0kk3rz: well, M$ bought Nokia mobile division... | 11:37 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | ummm i thought they only licensed it | 11:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah they did, wasnt sure maemo was part of that | 11:37 |
| r0kk3rz | but i suppose it makes sense | 11:37 |
| freemangordon | tbr: :nod:. though I really hope Neo900 to attract more developers | 11:37 |
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| ikarus | freemangordon: the Neo900 is so underwhelming specswise.... | 11:38 |
| tbr | freemangordon: given that there still is no hardware and it was pretty much ridiculous on the onset. I'll stick to calling it the necro900. | 11:38 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i wonder if the neo900 is a bit too late to be relevant | 11:39 |
| ikarus | I'll be happy when Dirk starts shipping the keyboards, that is my biggest issue with the Jolla solved | 11:39 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | freemangordon, why would it its just an upgraded n900 | 11:39 |
| freemangordon | ikarus: if you want to run Android on it, yes. Fremantle is a different kind of beer | 11:39 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | freemangordon, and not by a longshot | 11:39 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | freemangordon, a little upgrade | 11:39 |
| ikarus | freemangordon: even for other uses, it's not a huge leap forward | 11:39 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | freemangordon, http://techcrunch.com/2013/09/03/nokias-licensing-its-name-to-microsoft-but-its-free-to-keep-building-hardware-and-could-even-dial-up-to-mobile-devices-again-by-january-2016/ | 11:40 |
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| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: so? you think they'll revive maemo? | 11:40 |
| r0kk3rz | well their tab is running android | 11:40 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | freemangordon, no just think that they could come up with a fork that could run jolla | 11:41 |
| Morpog_PC__ | they can't do phones before 2016 | 11:41 |
| freemangordon | tbr: you might be right, but I still keep the hopes, even not high :) | 11:41 |
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| freemangordon | as this is the only device so far I can think of as N900 replacement | 11:42 |
| r0kk3rz | blackberry is bringing out a slider | 11:43 |
| r0kk3rz | portrait slider, but almost | 11:43 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | about friggin time | 11:43 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | sick of this touchsreen qwert | 11:43 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | freemangordon, id like to see a proper successor to the n950 w/ sailfish | 11:43 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | but then again it all has to make business sense | 11:44 |
| freemangordon | r0kk3rz: it is not only about the kbd, there is way more both HW and SW wise before I assume a device is on par or better than N900 | 11:44 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | maybe the jolla folk here who were part of nokia could comment on the possibility of teaming up with nokia(or lack thereof) | 11:44 |
| r0kk3rz | yes i know, the n900 is the most amazing thing ever, everything else just pales in comparison | 11:44 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | r0kk3rz, as far as aesthetics is concerned it PALES in comparison to the 950 | 11:45 |
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| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: sore, N950 looks like jewelry. And behaves like a brick :) | 11:45 |
| freemangordon | *sure | 11:45 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | freemangordon, well thats why it would be nice to have a proper successor to it | 11:46 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | and one that runs sailfish? XD | 11:46 |
| freemangordon | sailfish? I'd stick to fremantle. | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | point is nokia didnt throw its full weight behind it, and now the world has moved on from that style of device | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe for the worse | 11:47 |
| r0kk3rz | but most people expect an iphone-alike | 11:47 |
| freemangordon | maybe? I;d say definitely | 11:47 |
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| freemangordon | though I still wonder why noone wants to fill that segment, for NIT-like devices | 11:48 |
| r0kk3rz | because people are cheap | 11:48 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | wheres the blackberry slideout | 11:48 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | whats it called | 11:48 |
| freemangordon | ok, but not 100% of the people | 11:48 |
| freemangordon | and even if it is 1%, this is still a market | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | so you can only make money by selling a zillion of them, which means mass market | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | unless you're apple, and have a large cult following | 11:49 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | what you gotta do is build a following | 11:49 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | like what apple has | 11:49 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure the n900 cult following is big enough | 11:49 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | i think thats what jolla's trying to do | 11:49 |
| freemangordon | r0kk3rz: and who's to blame? did N900 ever received any push from Nokia? | 11:49 |
| freemangordon | and why cult? | 11:50 |
| r0kk3rz | fanatical believers | 11:50 |
| freemangordon | I wouldn;t name it like that, I am not fanatic neither believer, it is just that the device fits (most of) what I need from my mobile. | 11:51 |
| freemangordon | and there is noting on the market that comes closer to it | 11:51 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | freemangordon, in terms of customizability maemo has it hands down | 11:52 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | not even android | 11:52 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | its basically a portable linux pc | 11:52 |
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| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: and what about how everything is integrated and intuitive? | 11:52 |
| freemangordon | does android comes close? | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | fanatical believers never say they're fanatical believers | 11:53 |
| freemangordon | r0kk3rz: :) | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure ive heard anyone say they've bought an iphone because they were brainwashed into it | 11:53 |
| r0kk3rz | they've usually rationalised it in some way | 11:53 |
| freemangordon | r0kk3rz: ok, recommend me a device as a replacement of N900. | 11:54 |
| r0kk3rz | there isnt one | 11:54 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | the only thing i can think of that comes close is the open pandora | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | would you say the same for the iphone or any other device? | 11:54 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | but the problem with the n900 is this nobody's developing for it anymore | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: does it have modem? | 11:54 |
| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: that is not true | 11:55 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | what browser choices you have on it? | 11:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | sure there would be some people willing to buy a new n900 at 1000E a piece | 11:55 |
| r0kk3rz | but probably not enough | 11:55 |
| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: not much (stock, opera, FF) | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | oh, and a couple of webkit based | 11:56 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | and whats the most recently released browser | 11:56 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | date wise | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | maybe opera 12 | 11:56 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | when? | 11:56 |
| freemangordon | 2 years ago iirc | 11:57 |
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| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: see, the problem with the browsers it the HW | 11:57 |
| freemangordon | 256 MB of RAM is simply not enough for any newer engine | 11:58 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | could also be libraries | 11:58 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | libc etc | 11:58 |
| freemangordon | and trust me, I know what i am talking about, it was gecko 24 (iirc) the last one I was running on n900. about an year os so ago | 11:58 |
| freemangordon | no, libs are ok, CSSU keeps the stuff more or less up to date, when needed | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: also, you may want to check the upstream kernel ;) | 11:59 |
| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: http://elinux.org/N900/Changelog | 12:00 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | i believe that indicator of whether or not a smart phone is still mainstream or not is if its still getting new ports for mainstream apps(browsers email clients etc) | 12:00 |
| freemangordon | I don;t think n900 was ever an "upstream device" | 12:01 |
| freemangordon | or "mainstream device" | 12:01 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | it was for a while | 12:01 |
| freemangordon | don;t think so, but anyway | 12:01 |
| freemangordon | N9, yes. but not n900 | 12:02 |
| Vegeshite_Mite | but the point is whats the point of having a swiss army knife of a phone if you cant access the newwebsites using html 5000 to check your bank account? | 12:02 |
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| freemangordon | Vegeshite_Mite: see, I understand what you mean. It is that I simply prefer to live with those shortcomings instead of getting the next shiny shiny Sn | 12:03 |
| freemangordon | which will be obsoleted in 6 months anyway | 12:03 |
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| Vegeshite_Mite | so any jolla people here can comment on any future collab with nokia? | 12:39 |
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| ikarus | Vegeshite_Mite: absolutely no chance even if they did know about it | 12:45 |
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| TMavica | freemangordon: interested in Jolla? | 13:50 |
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| freemangordon | TMavica: not really, unless they make a device that fits my needs. which I doubt they'll do :) | 13:51 |
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| TMavica | Non of the device fit for u except n900. Lol | 13:53 |
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| friese | so freemangordon is going for n900-alternatives? why not the neo900 then? ;) | 14:02 |
| freemangordon | friese: why do you think not? | 14:03 |
| freemangordon | I donated to the project more than an year ago ;) | 14:03 |
| friese | ah okay | 14:04 |
| friese | tbh i didn't really get into the meego/maemo-game until the n9 and i haven't really followed that neo900 project, just heard about it some time ago | 14:04 |
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| Venemo | friese: you missed out on the golden age then | 14:12 |
| friese | in the golden age i was still rocking my good old palm treo :) had an internet tablet 700 way back but i was always bothered by the fact i needed an additional phone | 14:13 |
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| friese | uuh, i still have the tablet in my drawer of old gadgets... was an nokia 770 though. i wonder if it still work's... | 14:15 |
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| Venemo | :) | 14:36 |
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| uuhimhere | hows everyones doing | 14:45 |
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| uuhimhere | locusf: so are you going to github ur source? | 14:51 |
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| chem|st | friese: in that combination... I'd have a dumbphone able to get me internet on an internet tablet if there still be internet tablets... (mean currently new further developed ons, got an n900 on my desk though) | 15:00 |
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| locusf | uuhimhere: its all in obs now, will post custom qtwayland sources otherwise | 15:21 |
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| uuhimhere | can u post the source to sailfish? | 15:29 |
| tbr | sailfish is not opensource | 15:30 |
| uuhimhere | thats what i thoight | 15:32 |
| uuhimhere | will it ever be? | 15:32 |
| Cal-Drone | ... | 15:33 |
| uuhimhere | jolla would be out of a business if it was? | 15:33 |
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| uuhimhere | *business model | 15:39 |
| Nicd- | they have said it might some day be | 15:39 |
| uuhimhere | ... | 15:40 |
| Nicd- | a lot of it is open source already, but key parts like the UI are not | 15:40 |
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| uuhimhere | isnt that what makes sailfishos sailfishos | 15:42 |
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| tiwake | obviously it is, because thats what they are currently doing | 15:42 |
| uuhimhere | Nicd-: where are the soirces again? the sadk? | 15:42 |
| Nicd- | I think most is at https://github.com/nemomobile | 15:42 |
| locusf | and https://git.merproject.org | 15:43 |
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| locusf | uuhimhere: nemo is sailfish alternative, based on mer and completely foss | 15:45 |
| uuhimhere | locusf: yeah i understand ur interest in nemo now ;) | 15:47 |
| uuhimhere | does it use mer's ui? | 15:47 |
| Taaeem | Mer doesn't have an UI | 15:47 |
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| uuhimhere | Nicd-: if like tbr insinuates , that the jolla doesnt survive past 2016 withoit a licensee, i hope they do the noble tjing and gpl their ui | 15:48 |
| Taaeem | Mer is the core over that is nemomobile middleware and than comes sailfish or the nemomobile UI | 15:48 |
| uuhimhere | locusf: is maemo's ui o[en? | 15:49 |
| uuhimhere | sorry i meant nemos ui | 15:49 |
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| uuhimhere | nemomobile is an entire user space then is what ir saying; from ui to appsp | 15:51 |
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| Taaeem | uhmimhere: Nemo is completely open source | 15:53 |
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| jubo2 | How do I easiest copy ~/.vault/People/data/all.vcf to the MicroSD card or ssh it over to a server ? | 15:58 |
| jubo2 | or is it copied to the MicroSD when I make a backup and use the "backup to card" ? If yes, where can I find it | 16:00 |
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| jubo2 | I've heard that ~/.vault/People/data/all.vcf contains all the contact info in a form that an android will accept | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | should be in the root folder of the sdcard IIRC | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | it is packed into a .tar.gx | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | *.tar.gz | 16:00 |
| jubo2 | ok thänks Yaniel | 16:01 |
| jubo2 | Yaniel: Backup.tar ? | 16:01 |
| Yaniel | sounds right | 16:01 |
| Yaniel | no gz then | 16:01 |
| jubo2 | files size seems to match | 16:01 |
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| jubo2 | Yaniel: It is in some subdirectory in Backup.tar ? | 16:13 |
| jubo2 | that all.vcf | 16:14 |
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| jubo2 | I cannot find it | 16:15 |
| jubo2 | So I must get to the directory ~/.vault/People/data/ with file browser or a shell | 16:16 |
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| jubo2 | problems: I cannot navigate to hidden .vault directory | 16:16 |
| jubo2 | and I don't have a shell since I could not find it in the store | 16:16 |
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| Nicd- | jubo2: you can install fingerterm by enabling developer mode | 16:24 |
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| Joonaa | i just added 55 new songs to my phone | 16:31 |
| Joonaa | the player found 10 of them | 16:31 |
| Joonaa | ... very impressive | 16:32 |
| jubo2 | Nicd-: which says it "may" void the warranty | 16:33 |
| jubo2 | Does it void or does it ( developer mode ) not void the warranty | 16:33 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: basically if you break your phone with the developer mode it's your fault | 16:33 |
| jubo2 | This phone needs some serious servicing | 16:33 |
| Nicd- | copying files is usually not something you can break your phone with | 16:34 |
| Joonaa | its funny how you have to void your warranty to fix your media player | 16:34 |
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| Nicd- | Joonaa: it says it *may* void your warranty | 16:36 |
| Nicd- | so don't break it to the point of not being able to factory reset and you should be fine | 16:36 |
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| Joonaa | yeah, but technically after i enable developer mode they can say "sorry, no warranty" | 16:37 |
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| jubo2 | how do I get '@'-sign in fingerterm ? | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | in practice developer mode vs not is a matter of easier figuring out where a fault is | 16:37 |
| Stskeeps | if developer mode wasn't enabled, it's 100% a warranty case | 16:38 |
| Joonaa | yeah | 16:38 |
| Nicd- | jubo2: shift + _ | 16:38 |
| jubo2 | kdänks Nicd- | 16:38 |
| Joonaa | it depends on how nice they want to be, i guess | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | unless you do awesomely stupid shit you can't fix with a reflash or recovery mode.. | 16:38 |
| Stskeeps | like nuking the fastboot or screwing up the filesystem | 16:38 |
| ggabriel | ...or dropping the phone in water with dev mode on | 16:39 |
| Nicd- | in that case I don't think the dev mode matters… :P | 16:39 |
| Joonaa | im pretty sure they wouldnt cover accidental damage anyways | 16:39 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk0 is hardly accidential | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:40 |
| Joonaa | dropping the phone in water is | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | there was this guy that put a jolla in a lot of water while videoing it.. | 16:41 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:41 |
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| Joonaa | oh no | 16:41 |
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| chem|st | does it blend? | 17:15 |
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| tiwake | I can check... I have a blendtec blender here :3 | 17:17 |
| chem|st | sooo... is anyone interested to make the jolla a flight controller...before sending it in to blendtec?? | 17:18 |
| chem|st | tiwake: first see if it flies then blend it? | 17:18 |
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| jubo2 | I saw an ad that talked about AAPL may reach $1 trillion market capitalization. Also was concept art for car and some marketing dept. | 17:19 |
| tiwake | chem|st: heh... need a control unit though for a proper test | 17:19 |
| jubo2 | Basically the marketing department wanted to convey to hype up the hype since AAPL market cap is now ~ 750 billion USD | 17:19 |
| chem|st | apple is overrated | 17:21 |
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| chem|st | their product quality is apeshit and people willing to pay $600 for a $300 device are, well, not so intelligent | 17:22 |
| jubo2 | iCar.. iVoiture ? mais pourquoi pas? Si ça fait 33% bénéfice pour les actionnaires alors biensûr | 17:23 |
| chem|st | the iphone owners in my proximity will probably not buy another as the hardware is failing and apple controlling their device makes them feel uncomfortable | 17:24 |
| jubo2 | $750B -> $1T == +33% | 17:24 |
| chem|st | $3t is even 400% | 17:24 |
| Nicd- | my wife is really keen on her iphone though | 17:24 |
| trt` | good, jubo2 i wish you were not right | 17:24 |
| Nicd- | prolly gonna buy a 6 when they're cheaper | 17:25 |
| jubo2 | I just bought a Sony Xperia M2 Aqua for half of what I paid for my Jolla | 17:25 |
| chem|st | my GF would go jolla if it was smaller | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | smartwatch jolla? | 17:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:25 |
| Nicd- | jolla watch confirmed! | 17:25 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: yes please | 17:25 |
| Nicd- | hehehe | 17:25 |
| trt` | my wife and her sister seem like they'll never switch from iPhone | 17:25 |
| jubo2 | Android with special manufacturer specific software.. but under Android or on top of Android.. That didn't really get answered in the buying/selling situation | 17:26 |
| Stskeeps | Nicd-: pfft, i'm the king of strange projects that never get anywhere | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:27 |
| Stskeeps | i must say though, that lg webos lte smartwatch is just sexy | 17:27 |
| Nicd- | personally I wouldn't buy an iphone but I do love my macbook so far | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | i am currently getting shit on twitter after marc dillon posted a photo of me coding on a macbook air. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | ssh'ing to a linux machine of all things to do so. | 17:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:28 |
| trt` | hahah | 17:28 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: one idea for that always pops into my mind, why have a digital watchface if you could have a screen above an analog one, isnt the Smart doing so for their navigation system? | 17:28 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: good idea, that way at least the watch works | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | chem|st: i think somebody did that already, but yeah, having clock on at all times is rather.. well, people are doing smartwatches in the wrong way today | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.ablogtowatch.com/montblanc-e-strap-combines-smart-wearable-device-mechanical-watch-timewalker-urban-speed-collection/ | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | is one way to do it | 17:29 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: the wrong way is exactly what I thought about... and fun fact, watch manufacturers are preparing to sue the hell out of LG, Samsung and co for immitating their original watchfaces iirc collectively | 17:30 |
| trt` | hahah, I favorited the pic | 17:30 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: yeah that is what I'd buy, seen it yesterday | 17:31 |
| chem|st | I'd also like the watch though but 3k is a bit out of my league atm^^ | 17:32 |
| trt` | I wouldn't buy a smartwatch until it costs below $50 and battery lasts a week | 17:33 |
| jubo2 | DNA Limitless 4G: 95.5MB in under 15 s | 17:34 |
| jubo2 | just downloaded a system upgrade | 17:34 |
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| chem|st | jubo2: welcome to this decade | 17:34 |
| Stskeeps | trt`: mediatek 3g smartwatches are 88 USD sales price nowadays | 17:35 |
| jubo2 | Isn't the carrier waves used in a optical networks like THz or so?.. | 17:35 |
| jubo2 | Somewhere read that 5G should have up-to-1Gb/s | 17:36 |
| tigeli | jubo2: even more | 17:36 |
| jubo2 | or they don't use carrier wave at all.. they just put photon packets into it | 17:36 |
| trt` | yeah 20 | 17:36 |
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| trt` | and it will be ready in Tokyo by 2020 for the olympics | 17:37 |
| trt` | Nokia will build it | 17:37 |
| jubo2 | xaxaxa | 17:37 |
| chem|st | lol | 17:37 |
| trt` | :) | 17:37 |
| jubo2 | humankind ravels in it's creativity | 17:37 |
| jubo2 | No.. don't get me wrong.. I look forward to the Tokyo 2020 'lympics | 17:38 |
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| trt` | :) | 17:38 |
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| jubo2 | I heard there were some interesting results to nanoscopically structured computer-designed light-bending structures | 17:40 |
| jubo2 | pienen pieniä optisia hilakoneita ts. | 17:41 |
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| chem|st | s'light'ly bent oled tvs? | 17:43 |
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| jubo2 | chem|st: no.. you know the valon taipuminen hiloissa | 17:47 |
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| jubo2 | When light faces a corner it bends slightly | 17:47 |
| jubo2 | similarly like you can see also water doing | 17:48 |
| jubo2 | they can hook up smaller electronics with optical buses | 17:49 |
| jubo2 | or that's what I think I understood | 17:49 |
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| japa-fi | I'm trying to enable charging control to my jolla (https://together.jolla.com/question/55764/charging-limitation-for-enhanced-battery-life-feature-request/ LVPVS reply on 5.march). But the script to be launched is not visible on the "situations" - launch list. Any ideas? | 18:38 |
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| ejjoman | good evening | 19:16 |
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| chem|st | ejjoman: o/ | 20:25 |
| messerting | Hi Sailors, what XMPP service/servers do you use? | 20:25 |
| chem|st | jabber.org | 20:25 |
| chem|st | messerting: there is somewhere a list with XEP supported by what server... you might want to use one with all plugins you need | 20:26 |
| chem|st | but otoh if the other end does not support a client client feat. you might as well just look for a server that has all server client feat. you like | 20:27 |
| ortylp | messerting: jabber.org | 20:32 |
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| ortylp | In case we have Frenchmen here... what GSM/UMTS prepaid provider would you recommend for a week low speed flatrate Internet access in Provence? | 20:35 |
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| messerting | chem|st, ortylp: thanks | 20:40 |
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| messerting | So, the register.jabber.org SSL certificate expired in 2013? Nice. | 20:54 |
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| chem|st | messerting: where are you from? | 20:57 |
| messerting | Norway | 20:57 |
| chem|st | what about jabber.no? | 20:58 |
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| chem|st | or do you prefer something not hosted in .no? | 20:58 |
| messerting | chem|st: nice, thanks :) | 20:59 |
| chem|st | https://xmpp.net/directory.php | 21:00 |
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| fredrin | hi | 21:29 |
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| chem|st | low | 21:30 |
| fredrin | :) | 21:31 |
| fredrin | 10 | 21:31 |
| chem|st | 11 | 21:31 |
| fredrin | hihi | 21:31 |
| chem|st | hoho | 21:31 |
| fredrin | nah, not christmas yet | 21:31 |
| chem|st | 21:32 | |
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| fredrin | Why cant I use Pebble Orginale App on my Jolla? :( Sailfish app will never be the same. How to update firmware e.g.? | 21:37 |
| fredrin | Sail0r: hoi | 21:39 |
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| Sail0r | hoi | 21:41 |
| fredrin | Maybe I just should install the SDK.... | 21:41 |
| Sail0r | fredrin: because dalvik does not have proper BT implementation | 21:42 |
| Sail0r | but some people already try to figure out how to update pebble firmware via pebbled | 21:42 |
| fredrin | I know, you said before. Who can I throw BTC at so the problem goes away? | 21:42 |
| fredrin | :) | 21:42 |
| Sail0r | I prefer native solution ;) | 21:43 |
| Sail0r | try to ask at github | 21:43 |
| Sail0r | or gitter | 21:43 |
| Sail0r | https://gitter.im/smokku/pebble#utm_source=notification&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=unread-notifications | 21:43 |
| tbr | fredrin: talk to smoku, I think he's the main driver | 21:43 |
| Sail0r | or javispedro who did lot's of work towards js implementation | 21:44 |
| Sail0r | I think a soon as Pebble Time arrives there will be another major bump on pebbled | 21:44 |
| Sail0r | because more pebble have a pebble and want it to work on sailfishos | 21:45 |
| fredrin | ok | 21:45 |
| ikarus | Sail0r: yup, I delayed my Pebbly acquisition as I smelled that something new was happening | 21:46 |
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| fredrin | Are they changing the OS on the pebble? from FreeRTOS to WebOS? | 21:55 |
| ikarus | nope | 21:57 |
| ikarus | it's at least fully compatible if they change anything | 21:57 |
| ikarus | from my info they are just moving to a M4 ARM proc for it | 21:57 |
| ikarus | so slightly more performance | 21:57 |
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| attah_jolla | what does "hyc" mean anyway? | 22:01 |
| Nicd- | helsinki yachting club | 22:01 |
| attah_jolla | obviusly ;) | 22:02 |
| Nicd- | I'm not joking | 22:02 |
| ikarus | If someone wants to fund me to implement better aliendalvik -> Bluetooth functionality, supply me with money and hardware this summer, I am familiar with Bluez stacks and Android Bluetooth | 22:02 |
| ikarus | But I may need to negotiate with Jolla for access to the right layers | 22:02 |
| attah_jolla | i mean the kind of hyc that seems tl be overflowing tjc nowadays... | 22:03 |
| ikarus | (not entirely a joke) | 22:04 |
| Nicd- | attah_jolla: it's what I said | 22:05 |
| chem|st | attah_jolla: still helsinki yachting club... | 22:05 |
| chem|st | just click the tag and you will find the related entry | 22:05 |
| ikarus | hyc would be a good name indeed for the local user group | 22:05 |
| chem|st | ikarus: I looked it up and as there was no local club of that name I found it to be a good name | 22:06 |
| ikarus | chem|st: yup | 22:06 |
| ikarus | I am sadly not in Finland or else I would strongly agree | 22:06 |
| attah_jolla | d'oh! missed that when i looked at tagged posts | 22:07 |
| ikarus | attah_jolla: remember what Jolla means in Finland | 22:07 |
| chem|st | the idea came from my sister actually | 22:07 |
| ikarus | it's why my applications are all nautical puns | 22:07 |
| chem|st | not the name but the idea of the naming | 22:07 |
| attah_jolla | :) | 22:08 |
| ikarus | but seriously, I need something to do over summer, if I can offset some of my effort to improve aliendalvik Bluetooth interactions, I'd love it | 22:08 |
| chem|st | btw my GF was making me aware that one of her friends is developing a cloud storage solution, highly encrypted on user level - called whalesong | 22:08 |
| chem|st | ikarus: ask at myriad if you can have a summer assignment with them | 22:09 |
| attah_jolla | i wonder if a few posts could do with a blurb a la skunkworks | 22:09 |
| ikarus | chem|st: link ? | 22:09 |
| chem|st | myriad group, the ones behind alien dalvik | 22:09 |
| ikarus | chem|st: btw, for me it's mostly the HW cost issue :( | 22:09 |
| chem|st | for what? | 22:10 |
| ikarus | I only have a very limited selection of test BT stuff | 22:10 |
| ikarus | that absolutely needs Android apps | 22:10 |
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| ikarus | But it seems something many people complain about | 22:10 |
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| chem|st | ehrm I have nothing of that kind... I have everything linux/debian compatible... | 22:10 |
| ikarus | and well, otherwise this summer I am probably implementing something stupid like raytracers for virtual enviroment quad copters | 22:11 |
| ikarus | Because sadly not only does uni have nothing fun to do over summer, neither do most gamedev companies I work for | 22:11 |
| ikarus | and I hate summers | 22:11 |
| * ikarus doesn't see herself on a beach in a bikini any time soon | 22:12 | |
| fredrin | :) | 22:12 |
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| fredrin | sauna | 22:13 |
| ikarus | oh yes, but my own private one | 22:13 |
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| fredrin | that's nice | 22:14 |
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| fredrin | what's your btc address? | 22:15 |
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| fredrin | or QR code, more easy | 22:15 |
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| ikarus | fredrin: heh, I don't have one at the moment | 22:16 |
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| chem|st | ikarus: uh a friend of mine is doing his phd on tracing... but as he is insane he is tracing people in offices with the bare use of motion detectors | 22:16 |
| ikarus | chem|st: heh, I've worked with a bunch of students in the bachelor for location tracking based on wifi APs | 22:17 |
| fredrin | iBacon | 22:17 |
| fredrin | iBeacon | 22:17 |
| ikarus | fredrin: but if you are serious, I might setup a wallet for it again | 22:18 |
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| chem|st | ikarus: if you do not see yourself in a bikini, how about you find something else to do than sitting in a dark room in LED light coding the crap out of your keyboard? | 22:18 |
| ikarus | chem|st: but, idk, I like being kept busy | 22:19 |
| fredrin | I'm not going to send you a million, but some to support. Just a donation. Nice to have a wallet anyway. | 22:19 |
| ikarus | chem|st: and there is always the finances | 22:19 |
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| chem|st | ikarus: I can keep you busy... how about you get me an edelweiss flower? hiking isn't expensive | 22:20 |
| ikarus | hehehe | 22:20 |
| ikarus | chem|st: sadly it's more that even buying a phone every few years is a hit on your finances | 22:20 |
| chem|st | I like to go offline, not just afk when I am on vacation | 22:20 |
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| ikarus | meh, during that time I spend less time online | 22:21 |
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| ikarus | and find odd paces to code | 22:21 |
| ikarus | places | 22:21 |
| ikarus | But if I can turn my hobby into at least a bit of a financial buffer | 22:21 |
| chem|st | borrow a solar charger and go somewhere really odd to code... document it and publish a journal about coding off the grid | 22:22 |
| fredrin | If you mean that, you should have a BTC wallet | 22:22 |
| ikarus | chem|st: that is most of my summers, yes | 22:22 |
| chem|st | I am sure that some paper would honour such effort | 22:22 |
| ikarus | last year was schwartzwald | 22:23 |
| chem|st | or videolog it, and make a series on youtube, if it is any good you can earn some from it | 22:23 |
| ikarus | hehhehe | 22:23 |
| chem|st | where are you from? | 22:23 |
| ikarus | I am too much of a derp for a videolog | 22:24 |
| ikarus | The Netherlands | 22:24 |
| fredrin | vlog | 22:24 |
| fredrin | Den Haag? | 22:24 |
| ikarus | Hamsterjam | 22:24 |
| fredrin | ah, I like Den Haag | 22:25 |
| fredrin | meer | 22:25 |
| chem|st | ok I be afk then, calling it! bb | 22:25 |
| ikarus | I'm there every so often, it's fun | 22:25 |
| ikarus | used to visit it more often | 22:25 |
| fredrin | I've been doing some work at Museon | 22:25 |
| ikarus | that's fun | 22:25 |
| fredrin | yes | 22:26 |
| ikarus | this country is pocketsized | 22:26 |
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| fredrin | yes, and man made land, like fake land :) | 22:30 |
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| fredrin | no offence | 22:31 |
| fredrin | But I like the people, been there many times, amster and den haag | 22:31 |
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| ikarus | fake land, fake people, fake life, I am reasonably happy here though | 22:33 |
| fredrin | ^ the world :) | 22:34 |
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| fredrin | Good to be happy though, more important than physical location | 22:36 |
| fredrin | let me test some ascii art | 22:40 |
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| ikarus | hehehe | 22:41 |
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| ikarus | fredrin: I'll set up a wallet in the morning | 22:41 |
| ikarus | but not when I am too drunk to setup a backup for it | 22:41 |
| Nicd- | fredrin: don't paste stuff like that into the channel | 22:41 |
| fredrin | Amsterdam is BTC place number one | 22:41 |
| ikarus | fredrin: only if you like coffee | 22:42 |
| fredrin | Nicd-: ok, was just a test. | 22:42 |
| fredrin | did not work though, it got inverted somehow | 22:42 |
| Nicd- | yeah, don't test :) | 22:42 |
| Nicd- | or test on an empty channel | 22:42 |
| pahartik | fredrin: On most channels, flood is not acceptable test | 22:42 |
| fredrin | yes, I know | 22:43 |
| fredrin | sry, it's saturday | 22:43 |
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| fredrin | ikarus: just have multiple wallets | 22:47 |
| ikarus | fredrin: yes, but I will only set them up when I could legally drive | 22:48 |
| fredrin | lol, ok | 22:48 |
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| ikarus | 7 | 23:10 |
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| messerting | great entertainment, cheers. | 23:21 |
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