| keithzg | chem|st: Can you set it so that if you were in an app, double-tap then wakes it back up to within that app? | 00:00 |
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| chem|st | that is the timer, no idea where you set that but I doubt that it is hardcoded, ask on tjc! | 00:00 |
| phlixi_ | chem|st: you asked for another example than conversations, for example, every morning i change twice from tram to subway, where i turn off the device and turn on again => have to max the browser again (i am not where i left of) | 00:01 |
| chem|st | that is iirc only available for double-tap though | 00:01 |
| chem|st | phlixi_: oh dear... | 00:01 |
| phlixi_ | what? | 00:01 |
| phlixi_ | you asked for another example that is not a conversation | 00:02 |
| chem|st | you know how muscle memory works? | 00:02 |
| keithzg | On Android, when I unlock the screen it's right where I last was. Done. | 00:02 |
| phlixi_ | well, then i could argue you could just musle memory back to apps view/mainview whatever instead of picking up where you left... | 00:02 |
| keithzg | There's no way you can convince me that having to swipe up and then tap again and have the app re-load is somehow better :P | 00:02 |
| chem|st | phlixi_: I can get back to my last app without even looking on the phone... | 00:03 |
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| phlixi_ | you asked for another example, now you got one | 00:04 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: You'll never convince, chem|st appears to be sure that anyone else's use case is silly :P | 00:04 |
| chem|st | yeah and then you get a text in between and need another gesture to get there... | 00:04 |
| phlixi_ | keithzg: no, not silly, but really really rare | 00:04 |
| keithzg | chem|st: Naw, you just tap on the notification then. | 00:05 |
| chem|st | keithzg: no the use-case is valid, but it does not work for muscle memory | 00:05 |
| chem|st | and that is the key point of a good UI, if you think "last app" and your fingers flick and tap in the UIs max possible speed and you have what you want in the moment you lifted your arm | 00:06 |
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| chem|st | if I want to call someone, the first thing I see is the loading phone | 00:07 |
| phlixi_ | chem|st: well, on the n9 i can not remember that i was annoyed by where i was put ( i landed where i left of). on the jolla i am pretty often annoyed, that i do not land where i left of. that tells me n9 is better in this regard. no matter if there is something i can learn/train to musle memory or whatever... n9 didnt annoyed me in the first | 00:08 |
| phlixi_ | ...place | 00:08 |
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| chem|st | phlixi_: I think we are at a point where you most likely were better off with something not muscle memory based, like a desktopUI where every thing stays like you left it | 00:09 |
| phlixi_ | maybe, i liked the n900 a lot ;) | 00:09 |
| chem|st | I do too... | 00:10 |
| phlixi_ | you already pointed out, that i do not need a phone | 00:10 |
| chem|st | :) | 00:10 |
| keithzg | Well of course! If we're talking muscle memory the N900 is better off too, what with the physical buttons and shortcuts that provides! | 00:10 |
| phlixi_ | ok, gn8 :D | 00:10 |
| keithzg | Definitely miss that. | 00:10 |
| chem|st | I use my n900 for lots of stuff, but the UI concept is completely different | 00:10 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: g'night | 00:10 |
| chem|st | bb | 00:10 |
| chem|st | a muscle memory UI that blocks muscle memory, is no muscle memory UI! | 00:11 |
| keithzg | ? | 00:11 |
| keithzg | Can't remember that being a problem on the N900, especially since you could so easily navigate with just the keyboard. | 00:11 |
| keithzg | Been a while since I used mine though. | 00:12 |
| phlixi_ | chem|st likes to always starts all over again | 00:12 |
| chem|st | return to last app is not a muscle memory friendly feature for any case where you are longer away from your UI | 00:12 |
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| chem|st | I understand that short term it is a good idea, and it should be tweakable how long the last app stays there as the need for that is highly subjective | 00:12 |
| phlixi_ | maybe the solution would be to always get to where you left of, BUT when you want to "start from home" (multitask view, or whatever), then wake with double tap | 00:12 |
| keithzg | chem|st: So you slide open the keyboard and hit the key combo for the home screen or the key combo for the app list or whatever exactly you want to do. The N900 was fine for muscle memory. | 00:13 |
| chem|st | phlixi_: something like that, tweakable what does what, I would have double-pwrbtn as last app button | 00:13 |
| keithzg | I got to the point where I could open any of my normal apps without looking at the screen at all. | 00:13 |
| keithzg | chem|st: Default to last app. Most people use their phone more frequently than you do! | 00:14 |
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| phlixi_ | chem|st: i am fine with doubletap and singletap on powerbutton are swapped. however at the moment i always land false | 00:14 |
| chem|st | keithzg: what did you not understand in tweakable? | 00:14 |
| keithzg | chem|st: I entirely understand tweakable, but it's important to have sane defaults. | 00:15 |
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| keithzg | That's why I love KDE, you can make it behave in pretty much *any* way possible, but the default setup is quite familiar and understandable for average users. | 00:15 |
| chem|st | return to last app is for you guys sane... only 65 upvotes on tjc within a year... that is not so highly rated as you might think | 00:16 |
| keithzg | chem|st: It's how Android behaves, which is a pretty damn common mobile OS. | 00:17 |
| keithzg | So if we're talking how the majority of people expect their smartphone to behave . . . | 00:17 |
| chem|st | that is another thing... and is pissing me off too, at least until I have my jolla tablet^^ | 00:17 |
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| phlixi_ | chem|st: link? | 00:17 |
| keithzg | chem|st: So embrace your minority status! | 00:17 |
| chem|st | keithzg: many non-geek people I know swallow android as they think they have no other choice... loving it is something else | 00:18 |
| chem|st | https://together.jolla.com/question/37176/return-to-last-active-app-from-lock-screen/ | 00:18 |
| keithzg | chem|st: Show me a poll where people are arguing that the phone shouldn't be at their last app when they unlock it, then I'll believe you. But I have literally until now NEVER heard anyone arguing against that behaviour. | 00:18 |
| chem|st | I knwo alot of google lovers though, but they love all google stuff | 00:19 |
| keithzg | And I worked selling cellphones for a year! | 00:19 |
| chem|st | hehe | 00:19 |
| phlixi_ | thanks | 00:19 |
| phlixi_ | show me >65 it should not be that way.. :-) #2 | 00:20 |
| chem|st | keithzg: that was more about android in general | 00:20 |
| phlixi_ | on the other hand i think there are far more important things to do | 00:20 |
| phlixi_ | and to make things clear, i am a lot more a google hater :D | 00:20 |
| chem|st | +1 like going to sleep! | 00:20 |
| * phlixi_ should sleep already, but there are people on the internet, that are wrong, /me has to teach them :D | 00:21 | |
| keithzg | chem|st: Actually the original poll appeasr to have been https://together.jolla.com/question/472/implemented-in-1038-after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/ which had over 300 votes | 00:21 |
| chem|st | as said we have that feature and I am sure if you search on tjc you will find the file where you can tweak that timer to infinity | 00:21 |
| chem|st | oh ok... | 00:22 |
| keithzg | sadly neither that poll nor the 66 vote one has specific reference to the file :( | 00:22 |
| keithzg | hmmm | 00:22 |
| chem|st | silence incoming call by putting the phone face down has also >300 votes^^ | 00:22 |
| phlixi_ | couldnt care less :D | 00:22 |
| keithzg | chem|st: Yup, that's another good N9 behaviour that deserves to be implemented | 00:23 |
| phlixi_ | its already silenced (always :DDD) | 00:23 |
| phlixi_ | but i can see its useful :) | 00:23 |
| keithzg | But since I'm sadly unlikely to be able to use SailfishOS for an actual phone anytime soon that's not a *personal* need, but yeah, definitely really useful for folks who can use their Jolla as a phone. | 00:23 |
| keithzg | (although I *am* tempted to switch to my Nexus 4 with SailfishOS if my N9 ever dies . . . and I decide not to take my spare out of the closet :P) | 00:24 |
| phlixi_ | keithzg: what actually prevents you from using the jolla as main and only phone? | 00:24 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: Radio. | 00:24 |
| keithzg | Doesn't support my carrier at all. | 00:24 |
| phlixi_ | like FM? | 00:24 |
| keithzg | Would have to be roaming all the time :( | 00:24 |
| phlixi_ | receive or transmit? | 00:24 |
| chem|st | teh after screen timeout is the feature that if you did not turn it off on purpose, so that I did upvote too, the other one is to return to it always | 00:24 |
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| chem|st | so you are back at your 65... | 00:24 |
| phlixi_ | i see 67 | 00:25 |
| chem|st | ah you two then^^ | 00:25 |
| phlixi_ | :D | 00:25 |
| keithzg | Yeah, I had never seen that question before, so finally voted :P | 00:25 |
| phlixi_ | thats why i asked for the link | 00:26 |
| chem|st | ask in both for the file for the timer or fgrep the system (probably mce) | 00:26 |
| phlixi_ | but i guess i will not matter anyways | 00:26 |
| chem|st | phlixi_: request a feature to mark apps to return to always, that would be a feature even I would like | 00:27 |
| keithzg | Yeah honestly once Jolla has implemented a version of a feature, I often see (understandably) much less enthusiasm for specifics regarding that, since the intention is then fairly clear. | 00:27 |
| keithzg | chem|st: That sounds like a good feature in theory, but a complex one to implement in practice. | 00:27 |
| chem|st | wayland supports window tagging | 00:28 |
| chem|st | so no need to have that implementen in UI layer | 00:28 |
| keithzg | chem|st: Not necessarily saying it's be programmatically difficult, more exposing that to users opens a whole can of UI/UX worms. | 00:29 |
| keithzg | But I think we can all agree that having swipe down to close is the most important thing to retain ;) | 00:29 |
| chem|st | why, a pin in the long-tap view? | 00:29 |
| chem|st | and swipe up for events | 00:29 |
| keithzg | chem|st: I fear they're trying to avoid any such clutter. | 00:29 |
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| chem|st | good night | 00:34 |
| phlixi_ | https://together.jolla.com/question/472/implemented-in-1038-after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/?comment=28210#comment-28210 | 00:34 |
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| phlixi_ | ...the only hint i found in regard to extent the 30sec, but the name seems wrong to me, more like when the screen turns off | 00:34 |
| chem|st | maybe they use the same value conf for that | 00:35 |
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| chem|st | ok you get another 15minutes from me, I will search for it | 00:35 |
| phlixi_ | that would be sad, because i do not want the screen to be lit forever, just to have "return to where i left" set to "forever" | 00:35 |
| chem|st | value not variable | 00:36 |
| phlixi_ | lots of interesting stuff in /etc/mce | 00:38 |
| phlixi_ | never looked into that | 00:38 |
| keithzg | "# Fade out time for keyboard backlight" oh what a tease! :P | 00:39 |
| phlixi_ | ^^ | 00:40 |
| keithzg | The existing support for such things should make TOHKBD more viable, at least. | 00:40 |
| phlixi_ | well, /etc/mce/60-mce-possible-display-dim-timeouts.conf contains exactly one line, that one: /system/osso/dsm/display/possible_display_dim_timeouts=15,30,60,120,600 | 00:40 |
| phlixi_ | that is obviously when the display turns off, not the value for "how long after no back to where you left" | 00:41 |
| phlixi_ | or more precice, the options for the timeout | 00:41 |
| keithzg | Yeah I'm going to try throwing the "30" in that list up to "300" but I strongly suspect nothing shall happen. | 00:45 |
| keithzg | Or that is to say, the desired behaviour shan't result. | 00:46 |
| keithzg | I bet if I then set it in Settings to timeout the screen at 30 seconds it'll instead take 10 times that long, of course ;) | 00:46 |
| phlixi_ | i bet the result will be that the screen keeps lit for 5 minutes, and has nothing to do with where you go when you come back | 00:46 |
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| phlixi_ | bythe way, 15,30,60,120,600 matches exactly the options you get in settings app => display => "sleep aftre" (as expected) | 00:48 |
| chem|st | seems to not be mcetool at least no settings there | 00:49 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: Yup yup, I noticed that too, indeed as expected | 00:49 |
| chem|st | mcetool --set-doubletap-mode=<disabled|show-unlock-screen|unlock> | 00:49 |
| chem|st | that is one you wanted too I guess | 00:49 |
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| phlixi_ | interesting option beneeth "Orientation Dynamic", didnt know that, sounds nice | 00:49 |
| keithzg | chem|st: Oooh, yeah that does sound potentially helpful, thanks. | 00:50 |
| phlixi_ | chem|st: no thats fine if i can crank up the value for the time for "go where you left", because then its perfect, with double powerbuttontap i go back to home | 00:51 |
| phlixi_ | (for the case i would ever want to not go to where i left, then i can doble tap) | 00:51 |
| keithzg | Uhhh . . . hmm. After changing /etc/mce/60-mce-possible-display-dim-timeouts.conf to read as values "15,300,60,120,600", while still having set the timeout at a minute . . . I'm now at two minutes and counting and the screen is still on. | 00:52 |
| chem|st | as it suits you | 00:52 |
| phlixi_ | keithzg: no surprise so far :D | 00:52 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: No, that *is* a surprise since I left the timeout set to a minute! | 00:52 |
| chem|st | dim is when it lowers the brightness, 5 seconds after that it turns off, 30sec after that you do not return to last app | 00:52 |
| ryukafalz | Hey guys, what kind of event would result in a green notification LED? Not sure if the Jolla has a multicolored one, N4 does at least... | 00:53 |
| chem|st | keithzg: sometimes the timers are off too^^ | 00:53 |
| chem|st | ryukafalz: restarting lipstick | 00:53 |
| ryukafalz | Aha, hmm. | 00:54 |
| chem|st | green led is a notification that is non-fatal | 00:54 |
| chem|st | but tells that it currently is unable to display anything usefull on the screen | 00:54 |
| ryukafalz | Reason I ask is my N4 w/ Sailfish will sometimes lock up, and often has a green LED lit | 00:54 |
| ryukafalz | that would explain it... | 00:54 |
| phlixi_ | ok, keithzg i misread your status report... well, i am now interested in what will happen :) | 00:54 |
| chem|st | yea probably lipstick crashing, but if that fails for some times it should go red | 00:55 |
| ryukafalz | chem|st: Do you know how I could get useful logs for debugging/reporting? | 00:55 |
| ryukafalz | journalctl logs were empty last I checked | 00:55 |
| chem|st | oh emtpy? | 00:55 |
| chem|st | ah you are trying to look at them after a reboot... | 00:55 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: I temporarily gave up, set it to 15 seconds to check, and *that* works still at least. | 00:55 |
| ryukafalz | well, no | 00:56 |
| ryukafalz | chem|st: During runtime, journalctl -f -> No journal files were found. | 00:56 |
| chem|st | empty means it was unable to write to it | 00:56 |
| keithzg | ryukafalz: You're trying that as root? | 00:56 |
| ryukafalz | keithzg: Oh, no - that could be it. One moment... | 00:56 |
| chem|st | hmm maybe you are better off in #sailfish-porters | 00:56 |
| phlixi_ | keithzg: maybe dim has to be < than blank | 00:57 |
| chem|st | oh hehe | 00:57 |
| ryukafalz | True, but I figured most of this was related to Sailfish in general :) | 00:57 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: Well, I switched it back to 1min, going to run across the street from my work to the store to grab something to eat, we'll see if it's still powered on when I come back, heh. | 00:58 |
| ryukafalz | keithzg: Aha, you were right about the cause. journalctl as root shows logs. Now I just need to make sure I can log in remotely in case the issue pops up again :) | 00:58 |
| keithzg | ryukafalz: good good, I remember tripping over that myself a while ago :) | 00:59 |
| phlixi_ | now i understand why you have no radio support... its 2am here :-) | 00:59 |
| ryukafalz | Tripped me up mostly because on my laptop I don't need to be root to view logs | 00:59 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: Yup, I live over here in Canada, and my carrier is exclusively AWS 3G. I actually switched to them because they were the only ones offering fast service that my N900 would work on, ironically! | 01:00 |
| phlixi_ | poor americas... | 01:01 |
| keithzg | ryukafalz: Yeah, that's why I first stumbled too, didn't expect that restriction. | 01:01 |
| * ryukafalz still wishes he had an N900 | 01:01 | |
| chem|st | from looking at mce I'd say it is not something mce does | 01:01 |
| keithzg | chem|st: That's a bit odd, considering how much related behaviour mce controls. Maybe it's something MCE does but it's just hardcoded? | 01:02 |
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| chem|st | ryukafalz: on sailfish some stuff is not root and not user... it is only elevated user^^ (don't know what it was but iirc something needs "other" permissions | 01:02 |
| chem|st | keithzg: I was looking if the values cahnge in those 30 secs and mce does not change any value for double-tapping | 01:03 |
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| keithzg | Okay, turned off after 5min when set to 1min. | 01:05 |
| chem|st | keithzg: set in settings or with mcetool | 01:07 |
| keithzg | chem|st: when set in settings | 01:07 |
| keithzg | Frankly I don't know how to use mcetool, doesn't appear to be on my Jolla | 01:08 |
| keithzg | and "zypper search mcetool" just paused a long time and then said "no packages found". | 01:08 |
| keithzg | Okay, now installing mce-tools | 01:10 |
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| phlixi_ | i really have to go to sleep now ;-) | 01:12 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: hehe, I was wondering when that'd catch up to you :) | 01:12 |
| phlixi_ | i wrote a comment, to have it at least documented https://together.jolla.com/question/472/implemented-in-1038-after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/?comment=85082#comment-85082 | 01:12 |
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| phlixi_ | hopefully this "30" is not compiled into something... | 01:13 |
| keithzg | phlixi_: I just did a "git clone https://github.com/nemomobile/mce.git", gonna dive into that and try to figure precisely that out :) | 01:14 |
| keithzg | Well, after I finally hop across the street and get something to eat. Relatedly, go to sleep already ;) | 01:14 |
| phlixi_ | :-) | 01:14 |
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| keithzg | Yeah, can't find anything relevant in the mce source code, at least not to my untrained eyes. Kindof stumped then :( | 01:41 |
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| Oksana | Okay, if I want to install a Fedora package on a Jolla phone, what architecture should it be compiled for? armv7hl , or something else? | 05:01 |
| * Oksana remembers that installing Debian packages on Maemo is not impossible... | 05:02 | |
| locusf | yes armv7hl | 05:04 |
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| Oksana | Okay, would flite from Fedora (compiled for armv7hl) work on Sailfish? | 05:10 |
| locusf | don't know what it is | 05:14 |
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| keithzg | "Small run-time speech synthesis engine" apparently | 05:22 |
| keithzg | At least in Debian it doesn't have any dependencies that aren't already in Sailfish, so it seems like it'd work. | 05:24 |
| keithzg | (I know, cross-referencing packages.debian.org against what's show in "pkcon search name blahblah" on my Jolla is a ridiculous move, but it's what I'm comfortable with!) | 05:26 |
| tbr | Oksana: some things might work, but they might also just blow up in your face. I'd probably just take the srpm and rebuild it on OBS for sailfish. | 05:30 |
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| Oksana | [Shrugging] Whatever works... | 05:33 |
| * Oksana still has not got to putting xpaint into Maemo repositories... | 05:33 | |
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| spiiroin | keithzg phlixi_: the 30s timeout is hard coded in mce, but note that the whole "go back to prev app" really needs to be implemented at ui side to work without side effects. just extending the grace period breaks ui side behavior in subtle ways | 05:42 |
| spiiroin | .. more than it already does | 05:43 |
| keithzg | spiiroin: That's unfortunate to hear. It's honestly a near-constant tiny inconvenience for me that there's no way of changing the behaviour to just resume to the "currently" open app upon turning the screen back on. | 05:45 |
| spiiroin | also there are issues with dim timeouts setting (fixed in master) -> mce needs to be restarted before the allowed timeouts actually gets used | 05:47 |
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| keithzg | Hmm, interesting. I really hope that an option to (re)enable such behaviour is added, it's one of the more jarring regressions when going to SailfishOS from Harmattan. But I'm definitely sympathetic to how much work even seemingly simple changes like this can be in practice! | 06:02 |
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| greenit | hi, i got my jolla yesterday, but i have some questions: I only have a Mini-SIM and no Micro-SIM, do I have to get a Micro-SIM or am I able to insert a Mini-SIM too? Can I install F-Droid? Yesterday someone mentioned an OpenStreetMap Navigation App, but I forgot the name... Can you tell me the names of OSM Apps? | 07:04 |
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| pp | you can use a sim cutter (tho the jolla is a bit picky sometimes), do get a micro to mini adapter while you're at it. | 07:06 |
| greenit | hm... seems like i have to wait a bit longer until i can use my phone then.... :( | 07:07 |
| mjr | yeah cutting is possible but obviously carries a risk of damaging the sim | 07:07 |
| greenit | oh, and i forgot a question: some apps have buttons on the home-screen, should i be able to click them? for example the system-settings have the wlan, bluetooth, mobile data and flightmode icons, and another app had a reload-button | 07:10 |
| Jope | settings has no cover actions, they're just indicators | 07:10 |
| Jope | but if there are brighter white icons on the bottom of the cover, then you can access them by sliding the cover left and right | 07:10 |
| greenit | ah, thanks | 07:11 |
| greenit | i always tried to click on the bright white icons^^ | 07:11 |
| greenit | by the way (i just tried a few apps to see the actions i can make with them ^^ ), can i add a second mail-account? or can i change my actual one? i didn't find the settings in the mail-app until now... | 07:14 |
| Jope | you can add more accounts via settings -> accounts | 07:15 |
| Jope | and you can select the default account used for sending in settings -> apps -> mail | 07:15 |
| Nicd- | I just cut my previous SIM with scissors | 07:16 |
| Nicd- | it wasn't difficult | 07:16 |
| Jope | same | 07:16 |
| Jope | there's a handy template pdf for that | 07:16 |
| Jope | I have a cutter at work though. it's much faster to use ;-) | 07:17 |
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| greenit | hm... i'm a bit afraid that the sim won't work anymore if i cut it with a scissor... so probably I'll just ask in a mobile-shop if they have a mini-sim-to-micro-sim punch-machine | 07:21 |
| greenit | and hope that they are as friendly to make it for free :) | 07:21 |
| Yaniel | I just got a new sim | 07:22 |
| greenit | that's plan b^^ | 07:23 |
| greenit | ... or c, right after i mis-cut my actual sim... | 07:23 |
| Yaniel | you might want to check with your operator if they offer free replacement sims (mine was free when picked up from a store and €5 when ordered online) | 07:24 |
| Joonaa | mjr yeah.. i tried cutting my old sim. rip 10+ year old sim ;( | 07:24 |
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| phlixi_ | spiiroin thanks for looking into this. Thats sounds quite discouragingly to me :( I have no clue what you mean with "has to be implemented at ui side" and "breaks ui side nehaviour". since there is no behaviour, the screen is OFF. What kind of "ui side behaviour" would that break? I mean do not understand, why is it fine for 30 sec, but not for 300? why not for 30000? The screen is OFF. | 07:28 |
| phlixi_ | the literal behaviour is NOTHING in this time. That quite confuses me. | 07:28 |
| greenit | Yaniel: i have sim from a subsidiary company (or something like that, more like a virtual mobile phone tariff [that's what google translated] company who is owned by one of the biggest companies in my country), which has no own shops, but the company who owns this has many | 07:29 |
| Joonaa | greenit: try anyway | 07:30 |
| Joonaa | it shouldnt cost much | 07:30 |
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| greenit | if i want a new sim from them because the old one doesn't work in my current phone or it is broken, i have to pay 15€.... | 07:30 |
| greenit | according to their faq | 07:31 |
| Yaniel | meh | 07:31 |
| Joonaa | ow | 07:31 |
| Joonaa | well, try cutting i gues | 07:31 |
| Yaniel | well, that sucks | 07:31 |
| greenit | yep^^ | 07:31 |
| greenit | however, probably in one of the shops i can get it punched for free, worth a try :) | 07:32 |
| phlixi_ | well then cut it, and have a 15EUR motivation to not break it :D | 07:32 |
| greenit | ^^ | 07:33 |
| phlixi_ | ofc, you can go to any shop and ask if they cut it | 07:33 |
| Joonaa | oh, while i remember... | 07:33 |
| Joonaa | can i change the functions on the volume up/down keys depending on whether the screen is locked or unlocked? | 07:34 |
| greenit | do you have any answer to the other 2 questions i asked? (install F-Droid, OpenStreetMap app name) | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | yes, you can install F-droid | 07:36 |
| Nicd- | one OSM app is OSMand I think | 07:37 |
| greenit | Nicd-: how can i install f-droid? | 07:37 |
| greenit | is there a native OSM app too? | 07:37 |
| Nicd- | download the APK and install :) | 07:37 |
| greenit | ah, forgot i can install APKs too^^ | 07:38 |
| Nicd- | Halftrail in the store uses OSM but it's not a turn-by-turn navigation app | 07:38 |
| Nicd- | you might be able to find other apps in openrepos | 07:39 |
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| ryukafalz | Modrana maybe? | 08:00 |
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| greenit | ryukafalz: yeah, already found it, thanks :) | 08:11 |
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| greenit | btw, i install modrana from the warehouse store and... well... the phone tells me every few seconds that the store doesn't react anymore (until it react a few seconds later again) while i install it... is this normal? | 08:12 |
| Nicd- | never used warehouse | 08:14 |
| greenit | hm... probably i should've looked in the normal store if modrana is in there first... | 08:14 |
| Nicd- | it's not | 08:14 |
| greenit | oh, ok | 08:14 |
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| greenit | is there a native whatsapp-app? | 08:20 |
| Nicd- | no | 08:20 |
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| Nicd- | there was mitäkuuluu but you will get banned if you use it | 08:21 |
| Yaniel | and it is not developed any more anyway | 08:21 |
| Yaniel | and slowwly breaking as sailfish gets updated | 08:21 |
| greenit | well, that explains why i don't find this app... but why will i get banned when i use it? | 08:21 |
| entil | https://together.jolla.com/question/11534/sailfish-redphone-and-textsecure-apps/ | 08:21 |
| entil | greenit: because whatsapp doesn't allow 3rd party clients, and they change the protocol occasionally, so if you get caught using an unupdated client you're busted | 08:22 |
| entil | greenit: and the reason for that is that 3rd party clients can leak data, because it's not properly safe | 08:22 |
| greenit | ok, thanks for the info :) | 08:22 |
| spiiroin | phlixi_: what the "grace period" effectively is: apps do not get backgrounded -> app.active property stays true -> glitches happen | 08:22 |
| ryukafalz | greenit: Actually, I've experienced similar issues with Warehouse | 08:23 |
| ryukafalz | not sure what the cause is | 08:23 |
| phlixi_ | spiiroin: thanks | 08:24 |
| spiiroin | phlixi_: I'm assuming it would be better if apps get backgrounded & later restored to foreground instead | 08:24 |
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| spiiroin | phlixi_: what there is currently is a bit of hack, does not break too much stuff and still allows users to get back to app if display blanks accidentally | 08:25 |
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| phlixi_ | spiiroin: i assume it is ok to quote you there: https://together.jolla.com/question/472/implemented-in-1038-after-screen-time-out-return-to-last-active-app/?comment=85082#comment-85082 (then at least the whole discussion/digging is documented for other users where it belongs) | 08:30 |
| spiiroin | phlixi_: sure, for context this is related too https://together.jolla.com/question/25298/notifications-to-application-active-during-grace-time-are-lost/ | 08:31 |
| greenit | i downloaded the f-droid.apk, but the phone says there is no application to open it... what do i have to do? | 08:33 |
| spiiroin | phlixi_: still, I should probably still make the time value configurable... I'll make a task for it | 08:33 |
| greenit | afaik i installed the dalvik-vm | 08:34 |
| phlixi_ | so in theory when (if ever) 25298 gets fixed, then having more than 30sec shoulnt be a problem (or at least less) | 08:34 |
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| phlixi_ | on the other hand, since yesterday evening when we discused this, i put attention into my behaviour, and for the annoyance that i thought it would help, it wouldnt that much, because most of the time i tap once the powerbutton to turn off, and then there is no grace period anyway | 08:35 |
| phlixi_ | because the root of discussing all this was the use case: having a conversation, write a line, turn off, and when turing on again on replay, then the app is not active anymore, but instead i am at home (i called that "n9 style behaviour") | 08:38 |
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| spiiroin | phlixi_: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=787 | 08:38 |
| merbot | Nemo bug 787 in mce "Autolock grace period is hard coded" [Normal,New] | 08:38 |
| phlixi_ | (and if i would want to go back to home on poweron, i could double tap powerbutton) | 08:38 |
| phlixi_ | thanks spiiroin | 08:39 |
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| greenit | there isn't a native firefox, right? | 08:41 |
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| Yaniel | nope | 08:41 |
| Yaniel | but you might want to try webcat | 08:41 |
| entil | why doesn't the browser have text selection? | 08:41 |
| Yaniel | (if you really can't live with the stock browser) | 08:41 |
| phlixi_ | greenit: the stock browser uses gecko | 08:41 |
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| phlixi_ | entil: i guess the answer is just "its not implemented yet" and not a decision against it | 08:42 |
| phlixi_ | entil: https://together.jolla.com/question/832/system-wide-clipboard-copy-paste-capability-partially-released | 08:43 |
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| entil | phlixi_: sweet, thanks | 08:44 |
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| ikarus | ugh, since I plugged a SIM card in Skype (and some other Android apps) decided my local langage of choice is Dutch even with local language settings in jolla settings set to Englis UK | 08:46 |
| ikarus | how do I fix this ? | 08:46 |
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| phlixi_ | entil: however, it is one of the most voted items on tgj and its over a year now and i can not see any progress on that (except fixes related to copy&paste and android apps) | 08:48 |
| phlixi_ | tjc* | 08:48 |
| jaacoppi | ikarus: learn dutch? | 08:48 |
| phlixi_ | heeh | 08:49 |
| phlixi_ | actually it is the second most voted item, after offline turn by turn nav | 08:49 |
| phlixi_ | and the most voted without accepted answer | 08:50 |
| phlixi_ | :-( | 08:50 |
| ikarus | jaacoppi: overrated, but resetting the language pref (change, change back) seems to fix it, guess 7t is a bug with auto language setting | 08:51 |
| * ikarus never uses any software in Dutch | 08:52 | |
| ikarus | I can speak the language, but for digital stuff it is awkward | 08:53 |
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| ikarus | also, dirk needs to hurry up :p on screen keyboard is just not my thing | 08:53 |
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| entil | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A834DyFiBUE ooh demo video off the thread | 08:57 |
| phlixi_ | slides with magic :-) | 08:58 |
| entil | yes | 08:58 |
| entil | and pwnies | 08:58 |
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| phlixi_ | entil: http://i.imgur.com/igCj5qR.jpg | 09:04 |
| entil | :DD | 09:04 |
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| entil | phlixi_: can I quote that pic?-) | 09:05 |
| phlixi_ | of course | 09:05 |
| greenit | do i only have to activate system-settings > position > position to be able to use GPS? the app "hello GPS!" doesn't find any satellite... | 09:06 |
| entil | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1463100&postcount=1049 not exactly related to the slide but I had to tweak that in there :D | 09:06 |
| phlixi_ | :) | 09:07 |
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| cityoflights2 | I want to search for the avahi packages | 09:12 |
| cityoflights2 | I run pkcon search avahi | 09:12 |
| cityoflights2 | Command failed: Invalid search type | 09:12 |
| Jope | run pkcon search name avahi | 09:13 |
| cityoflights2 | thanks | 09:14 |
| greenit | does gps work without a mobile connection? as i have no fitting SIM, i also can't use the mobile network | 09:16 |
| Mikaela | it should and same with glonass | 09:16 |
| Jope | getting a fix is slower but yeah | 09:16 |
| Jope | naturally it's also slow if you disable agps | 09:17 |
| greenit | hm... probably i should try it outside the house... | 09:17 |
| Jope | yes | 09:18 |
| phlixi_ | full almanach takes about 12 minutes to "download" via satelite | 09:19 |
| phlixi_ | (at least) | 09:19 |
| Jope | up to 30 mins if the device was last booted on the other side of the world | 09:19 |
| Jope | but if it knows of even one satellite, it's faster | 09:19 |
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| urs | how long is the almanach valid, btw? | 09:20 |
| urs | Or is it used indefinitely (just accurracy decreases over time)? | 09:21 |
| Jope | I'm not sure when it really stops being useful | 09:21 |
| Jope | at least my suunto watch can still eventually find satellites even if it's been a month from the last sync | 09:21 |
| tango_ | hm am I the only one for which the OS update is preventing the Store from launching? | 09:21 |
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| tango_ | or rather | 09:21 |
| tango_ | it launches but then it spins endlessly | 09:21 |
| Jope | urs, but eventually the device goes into a "I know nothing" mode and just waits for the master package to come, which is sent every 30 mins or so | 09:22 |
| urs | If you have no internet, but by chance have a big radar system at hand, you might be able to do the orbit calculations yourself! | 09:23 |
| Jope | <3 | 09:23 |
| Jope | ooh, the source of all info tells us: To collect all transmitted almanacs, the receiver must demodulate the message for 732 to 750 seconds or 12 1/2 minutes. | 09:23 |
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| urs | of course, one could go with the method this homebrew gps reciever uses: http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/Main.htm# | 09:30 |
| greenit | is there a calDAV/cardDAV app in the jolla-store? | 09:30 |
| tbr | there is platform support? | 09:33 |
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| chem|st | urs: almanach stays valid as long as the calibration data is valid, that depends on various factors, and yes accuracy is degrading over time if the almanac data is not renewed | 09:40 |
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| greenit | can you tell me what i have to insert in the fields "server address" and "calendar path" in the menu for a new calDAV/cardDAV account? the two links my host provides (owncloud-host) are: "https://my.owndrive.com/remote.php/carddav/addressbooks/username/contacts" and "https://my.owndrive.com/remote.php/caldav/"... | 09:48 |
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| ikarus | *sigh* so much to do, so little time | 09:50 |
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| chem|st | greenit: ask yourself one question, what is the server and where does the path on the server start | 09:51 |
| the_mgt | lainwir3d__: hi. I am the zik1 guy from the app comment in the store. I could do protocol testing for the equalizer and whatnot, if you find any time to implement it in the future | 09:52 |
| chem|st | greenit: you can also just write the whole thing in the server field^^ | 09:53 |
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| greenit | chem|st: erm... what do you mean? i want carddav _and_ caldav from this one account, i think it wouldn't help me if i write the contacts-link into the serveraddress | 09:54 |
| greenit | chem|st: my problem is, i don't know where i should write the "remote.php"? in the server-address or the calendar link, although contacts need it too? and why don't i have to tell it the contact-address? | 09:55 |
| greenit | i'm a bit confused by this dialog-mask... | 09:55 |
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| chem|st | greenit: you need to make two accounts, never worked for me in one | 09:56 |
| chem|st | greenit: just write the whole thing in the server line | 09:56 |
| greenit | chem|st: ok, i'll try, thanks | 09:57 |
| chem|st | https://yourserver.com/remote.php/caldav/ | 09:57 |
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| lainwir3d__ | the_mgt: hi :) | 10:17 |
| lainwir3d__ | the only problem with the equalizer is UI | 10:17 |
| lainwir3d__ | the backend is implemented | 10:17 |
| lainwir3d__ | I only need to find the courage to finish the ui for it | 10:17 |
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| lainwir3d__ | by the way I got a fix for the last sailfish update | 10:17 |
| lainwir3d__ | someone at jolla helped me figure out what was wrong | 10:18 |
| lainwir3d__ | I need to patch Qt Bluetooth it won't be long | 10:18 |
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| lainwir3d__ | the_mgt: never considered buying a zik 2 ? :) | 10:19 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | chem|st: check https://twitter.com/Morpog/status/572714044353843200 | 10:19 |
| Morpog_Jolla | so not all hope is lost ;) | 10:19 |
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| Morpog_Jolla | damn wrong link | 10:20 |
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| tadzik | hmm, is it | 10:23 |
| tadzik | I'd prefer the old way, but this is acceptable | 10:23 |
| greenit | chem|st: ok, now i made two accounts: one for carddav and one for caldav. the caldav-account seems to work as i have all my appointments in the calendar. however, how can i synchronize my contacts with my carddav-account? they aren't synchronized yet... | 10:23 |
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| cityoflights2 | which gstreamer current sailfish - use? | 10:26 |
| Morpog_w | chem|st: correct link: https://twitter.com/Morpog/status/572714193415233536 | 10:26 |
| chem|st | Morpog_Jolla: that is an idea, it is not a solution as it is only for twohanded use | 10:26 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_Jolla: both are not very practical on one hand use | 10:27 |
| Morpog_w | and his answer: https://twitter.com/JaakkoRoppola/status/572717309023936512 | 10:27 |
| Morpog_w | chem|st: i was refering to close app by swipe down | 10:28 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_w: just held my jolla and tried to do that gesture with my thumb... I have long fingers, so not that a problem for me but my GF would drop my phone... | 10:29 |
| tango_ | ok, two strange thing have started happening with the upgrade | 10:29 |
| tango_ | (1) opening the Store leads to spinning with nothing happening ("Loading apps") | 10:29 |
| Morpog_w | chem|st: it doesn't really differ from the gesture I'm doing atm | 10:29 |
| tango_ | (2) some pictures and videos are not appearing anymore in the Gallery | 10:29 |
| Morpog_w | I'm used to totally swipe down to close | 10:30 |
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| chem|st | Morpog_w: how about closing until a specific distance is reached that then triggers the pulldown | 10:30 |
| cityoflights2 | oh gstreamer1.0 ok, so I can try to run miracast | 10:30 |
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| chem|st | just like the pulley menu | 10:30 |
| Nicd- | tango_: checked btrfs? | 10:30 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: the files are there (ssh-ed in the jolla and I can see them) | 10:31 |
| Morpog_w | or maybe an option to have the lock symbol replaced with close symbol when in an app | 10:31 |
| chem|st | Morpog_w: why are you used to swipe full distance, what device needs that? | 10:31 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: now do I do a disk check? | 10:31 |
| Morpog_w | chem|st: none I guess, I started with it on N9 :D | 10:31 |
| chem|st | Morpog_w: why not have both, but in-app the lock is a button | 10:31 |
| cityoflights2 | can someone tell me when connman will be upgraded to 1.28? | 10:32 |
| Morpog_w | I guess it would need some prototypes to try out what works best | 10:32 |
| Morpog_w | cityoflights2: gstreamer 1.x is not yet used for inbuilt apps afaik | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | tango_: `devel-su btrfs fi show` | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | tango_: gist the output | 10:33 |
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| tango_ | Nicd-: on it | 10:33 |
| tango_ | hm does the system update reset the ssh password? | 10:34 |
| tango_ | meh | 10:34 |
| cityoflights2 | well, if we have gstreamer1.0 and connman 1.28 and new wpa_supplicant (after Feb 2015) | 10:34 |
| chem|st | Morpog_w: well hope we get something to test then | 10:34 |
| cityoflights2 | we can easyly run Wysiwidi - miracast | 10:34 |
| Nicd- | tango_: no, it shouldn't | 10:34 |
| chem|st | cityoflights2: ask qualcom for a new kernel first please | 10:34 |
| Sailor11048 | tango_ it didnt for me | 10:35 |
| cityoflights2 | qualcom? | 10:35 |
| cityoflights2 | why need we change a kernel? | 10:35 |
| cityoflights2 | all I mentioned is user space | 10:35 |
| chem|st | qualcomm | 10:35 |
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| chem|st | cityoflights2: parted effort | 10:36 |
| cityoflights2 | what? | 10:36 |
| chem|st | nvm | 10:36 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: http://sprunge.us/IWWF | 10:37 |
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| Nicd- | tango_: your btrfs is full | 10:37 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: wth you're right | 10:37 |
| Nicd- | read https://together.jolla.com/question/30822/root-and-home-disks-full-and-causing-various-problems/ | 10:37 |
| tango_ | but btrfs fi show / didn't give me full | 10:38 |
| chem|st | Morpog_w: for now we should just trust the design team to not fsck it up completely | 10:38 |
| tango_ | I was just reading that | 10:38 |
| tango_ | df sorry | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | tango_: it should be equivalent to that | 10:38 |
| Nicd- | ah, df is different | 10:38 |
| tango_ | http://sprunge.us/DMUf | 10:38 |
| tango_ | that's df | 10:38 |
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| chem|st | keithzg: phlixi_ timer is hardcoded for now | 11:54 |
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| Morpog_w | nice! Best tablet of the show award for Jolla at MWC | 11:55 |
| tadzik | nice :) | 11:56 |
| pp | oooh | 11:57 |
| Morpog_w | https://twitter.com/JollaSuomi/status/573448962901983232 | 11:57 |
| pp | did anyone else present tablets?-) | 11:57 |
| Morpog_w | nokia for example :D | 11:57 |
| tadzik | haha | 11:58 |
| tadzik | Rekt status: ☑ rekt ☐ not rekt | 11:58 |
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| CissWit | http://www.globalmobileawards.com/winners-2015/ Category 5c – Best Mobile Tablet MICROSOFT SURFACE PRO 3 | 11:59 |
| CissWit | what exactly did jolla win ? | 11:59 |
| pp | best reviewed by trustedreviews.com | 12:00 |
| pp | :-) | 12:00 |
| tadzik | CissWit: I sure hope they won an iPad or something :D | 12:01 |
| tadzik | that'd be hysterical | 12:01 |
| ShawnMcCool | best vague marketing opportunity | 12:01 |
| Tuju | jolla cannot connect to n950 wifi (shared GSM data) | 12:02 |
| pp | you have to pay to enter :-) | 12:02 |
| pp | (at least for gma) | 12:02 |
| Tuju | it just doesn't see that access point on available list. With anything else it works. | 12:02 |
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| chem|st | CissWit: bare tablet seems not be listed, µsoft is mobile tablet which is probably phablet stuff | 12:11 |
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| chem|st | CissWit: 9c is the category | 12:15 |
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| tango_ | interesting, btrfs balance -dusage up to 30 found nothing, but a full btrfs balance is doing stuff | 12:19 |
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| tango_ | and that's with 75% disk usage. I really need to read up on btrfs | 12:20 |
| tadzik | sad that we have to understand the intricacies of the filesystem our phone is using | 12:22 |
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| Nicd- | it'll be less of a problem in the future as they are planning to run balance during updates | 12:22 |
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| tango_ | good | 12:23 |
| tango_ | Nicd-: do I need to check something to verify if the update completed successfully? | 12:23 |
| tango_ | or need to re-run the update someho? | 12:23 |
| Nicd- | why are you suspecting it failed? | 12:24 |
| tango_ | I'm not | 12:24 |
| tango_ | but before the update I didn't have problems, after I did, so I'm assuming the disk filled during the update | 12:24 |
| tango_ | which might potentially have b0rked it, maybe? | 12:24 |
| tango_ | I don't know enough about btrfs to know if it did or not | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | settings -> system -> about product | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | will show you your current version | 12:25 |
| tango_ | yliaa etc | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | probably some package manager commands could show if packages are out of date but I haven't used any so I don't know | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | yliaavanlampi is the newest one | 12:25 |
| tango_ | btw it would be nice if that about product page gave a visual clue about the btrfs disk having run out of space | 12:26 |
| tango_ | (aside from telling me I'm using 8 GB of the 13 available) | 12:26 |
| tango_ | [root@jollomov nemo]# btrfs balance start / | 12:30 |
| tango_ | Done, had to relocate 22 out of 22 chunks | 12:30 |
| tango_ | woah | 12:30 |
| tango_ | g32 | 12:31 |
| chem|st | tango_: how about a µSD? | 12:32 |
| tango_ | chem|st: I have one | 12:32 |
| tango_ | chem|st: what about it? | 12:32 |
| chem|st | also full? | 12:32 |
| tango_ | no idea, let me see | 12:33 |
| tango_ | chem|st: 6 GB in use out of 30 | 12:33 |
| chem|st | well... | 12:33 |
| tango_ | (FAT32) | 12:33 |
| chem|st | I use 26GB of my SD and have 4gb on internal | 12:34 |
| tango_ | chem|st: you moved your apps there? | 12:34 |
| chem|st | never needed to run btrfs balance on / ever | 12:34 |
| tango_ | chem|st: in theory I'm only using 8GB on the internal | 12:34 |
| chem|st | I moved android /data/media there | 12:34 |
| Nicd- | chem|st: I had to do my first balance when I had around 4 GB used | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | btrfs was already full | 12:35 |
| tango_ | so let me get this right | 12:35 |
| Morpog_w | Nicd-: balance will be run every tuesday night if necessary | 12:35 |
| tango_ | rebalancing is needed if you do a lot of read/writes/copy/move? | 12:35 |
| chem|st | Nicd-: ok, that never happened to me | 12:35 |
| Nicd- | Morpog_w: with the latest update? | 12:35 |
| chem|st | tango_: usually yes | 12:35 |
| tango_ | I don't _think_ I do that much writing honestly | 12:36 |
| Morpog_w | Nicd-: haven't checked if it'S already included with u11 | 12:36 |
| tango_ | maybe the periodic email checks or something? | 12:36 |
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| Nicd- | Morpog_w: I don't think it's there yet | 12:37 |
| chem|st | tango_: no, it is more the fragmentation + amount of single files + voodoo + metadata | 12:38 |
| tango_ | chem|st: is your µSD formatted as btrfs? | 12:39 |
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| Morpog_w | Nicd-: ah well true, last commit is from 27th of january and I cannot find the service on the device | 12:43 |
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| tango_ | still, after the balance it's 11 GiB even though the filesystem actually only takes 7.69; that's A LOT of metadata | 12:47 |
| chem|st | tango_: btrfs with subvolumes for jolla and android | 12:47 |
| xfade_ | Morpog_w: Not yet released. | 12:47 |
| tango_ | ok | 12:48 |
| chem|st | only thing not working atm is export of the jolla subvolume to MTP for some reason | 12:48 |
| flux | tango_, how do you see that the filesystem actually takes 7.69G? are you taking factory reset image into account? | 12:48 |
| tango_ | flux: that's what fi show tells me | 12:50 |
| tango_ | flux: http://sprunge.us/ADhg | 12:50 |
| flux | tango_, it only means it has actually allocated 11.13GB for btrfs use. it means your usage has topped at 11.13GB at somet point. | 12:51 |
| flux | it appears jolla doesn't use btrfs compression, though I'm not sure how great its effect would be.. | 12:52 |
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| chem|st | ehrm are the front and back camera of the tab on the wrong edge? | 13:08 |
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| chem|st | I consider powerbutton top as on the bottom it is annoyingly pressed by accident | 13:09 |
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| lainwir3d__ | the_mgt: I got a fix if you want to test with the Zik 1 | 13:54 |
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| tango_ | Nicd-: so, even after the balance the store app is not loading. anything else I should look into? | 14:12 |
| Nicd- | tango_: dunno then. journalctl while starting the store? | 14:13 |
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| tango_ | I've got a lot of warnings from lipstick about not being able to read properties of null | 14:15 |
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| tango_ | let's see if pkcon from the command line tells me something | 14:21 |
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| tango_ | hm dbus-daemon(459) send signal 9 to dbus-daemon(14647) | 14:21 |
| tango_ | this doesn't look good | 14:21 |
| tango_ | plenty of it in fact, and worse: | 14:22 |
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| tango_ | PK-Backend(14708) send signal 9 to ssu(14838) | 14:22 |
| tango_ | so ssu is segfaulting through PK-Backend? | 14:22 |
| flux | to me that sounds "ask jolla care for assistance" time. possible factory resetting. | 14:22 |
| tango_ | to me this sounds "upgrade f*cked up due to low disk space" | 14:23 |
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| tango_ | well, apparently a pkcon refresh && pkcon update fixed the store | 14:26 |
| tango_ | bah | 14:26 |
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| keesj | lo | 16:05 |
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| Stskeeps | mwc over \o/ | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | moo keesj | 16:49 |
| chem|st | Stskeeps: grats | 16:49 |
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| chem|st | must have been awesome this year | 16:49 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, much easier sell | 16:50 |
| Stskeeps | people are starting to really realize the problems of google and apple dominance | 16:50 |
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| chem|st | having no option other then sell their soul to a NSA ehrm USA company? | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 16:51 |
| Stskeeps | oh in so many ways.. | 16:52 |
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| rigo | but to keep it this way, you MUST sandbox the android apps | 16:54 |
| Stskeeps | no disagreements | 16:54 |
| * rigo feels like a tibetian prayer roll | 16:54 | |
| chem|st | rigo: they are in a chroot now... | 16:55 |
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| chem|st | that is the start of sandboxing | 16:55 |
| messerting | lock-code users, please vote: https://together.jolla.com/question/82037/release-notes-upgrade-112-yliaavanlampi/?answer=84797#post-id-84797 | 16:55 |
| rigo | chem|st: the most important feature is the possibility to block the network for android apps in this sandbox | 16:55 |
| rigo | and to turn it on and off at will | 16:55 |
| chem|st | rigo: the most important part is have native apps without all that android... | 16:56 |
| rigo | android asks too, but only once. They know exactly how to do. You once said yes and then you're screwed for life | 16:56 |
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| rigo | chem|st: agree | 16:56 |
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| chem|st | :) | 16:56 |
| rigo | or webapps \o/ | 16:56 |
| chem|st | I use only some android apps, like HERE and a musicstreaming service... | 16:57 |
| rigo | BTW, I can't turn javascript off in the browser and there is no Opera for sailfishos yet | 16:57 |
| chem|st | rigo: no webapps please... if I want that I buy a FFphone | 16:57 |
| rigo | I will probably bug them | 16:57 |
| chem|st | I don't need an app that basically opens a webpage made into an app | 16:58 |
| rigo | chem|st: we will close the gap to native :) Most of my N9 apps are QML interfaces to web sites | 16:58 |
| rigo | and some core chat apps and things should be native to better control them. Yes. But not the BVG app for Berlin | 16:59 |
| chem|st | well not for me thanks | 16:59 |
| rigo | feel free to.. | 16:59 |
| chem|st | and chat apps are unneeded, have telepathy plugins | 16:59 |
| rigo | would be interesting at some point to find out why you hate webapps (because we are working on it and try to improve them) | 17:00 |
| uuhimhere | is empathy supported on sailfish | 17:00 |
| chem|st | but that is all not glued together properly as of yet so yeah have chat apps^^ | 17:00 |
| chem|st | uuhimhere: empathy is only a frontend... | 17:00 |
| uuhimhere | yeah can u use it on jolla | 17:01 |
| uuhimhere | i like it.. | 17:01 |
| chem|st | why would you use yet another frontend? and I don't think so | 17:01 |
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| uuhimhere | becayse | 17:01 |
| uuhimhere | its simple | 17:01 |
| chem|st | messaging is your empathy here | 17:02 |
| chem|st | the accounts are missing | 17:02 |
| chem|st | having empathy wont give you more accounts, same backend | 17:02 |
| uuhimhere | ok... watbout gaim | 17:03 |
| chem|st | yet the same, plugins | 17:03 |
| chem|st | other backend | 17:03 |
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| HtheB | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBP2gdLRksk | 17:12 |
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| the_mgt | lainwir3d__: I considered it, but the 2 seems to be slightly smaller than the 1, my ears wouldn't fit in completely | 17:27 |
| the_mgt | also, I bought the 1 used (cleansed them properly with Sagrotan and ozone generator) for slightly over 100€. 350€ for a headphone is a bit heavy. I rather spent money on a marantz nr1605 for the living room | 17:29 |
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| the_mgt | damn | 17:30 |
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| tango_ | aaargh with the new update I can't play threes (android game using unity), it dies due to a failed kgsl allocation | 19:48 |
| tango_ | this is bad, what am I going to do while I lull the baby to sleep? | 19:48 |
| Teemu | sing kalevala | 19:52 |
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| tango_ | Teemu: what's kaleva? | 20:06 |
| Teemu | a collection of karelian folk stories as poetry | 20:07 |
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| Teemu | jrr tolkien claims to have gotten serious influence from it | 20:08 |
| tango_ | interesting, but my problem is not what to sing/tell him | 20:08 |
| tango_ | my problem is what to do while I sing | 20:08 |
| * tango_ learns about the karelian people | 20:08 | |
| tango_ | btw I'm hoping everyone here is reading the Stand Still, Stay Silend webcomic | 20:09 |
| tango_ | silent, duh | 20:09 |
| Teemu | when singing that poetry you'll not have to do anything else | 20:10 |
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| phlixi_ | or to ramp up dificulty, you could listen to some podcasts while singing | 20:11 |
| tango_ | Teemu: why? | 20:11 |
| tango_ | phlixi_: and play a different tune by drumming on my son's back | 20:12 |
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| phlixi_ | that might confuse him | 20:12 |
| messerting | Is there any good plasmoids/widgets to read/write SMS in KDE? | 20:12 |
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| Mikaela | sleeping = sleepwalking br. Jolla | 21:06 |
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| pdanek | http://youtu.be/dl4R-iI9JHQ | 23:44 |
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| chem|st | pdanek: might have people who like that... somewhere... | 23:58 |
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