| Hummer12007 | did you consider linking it statically? | 00:00 |
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| bluszcz | i was thinking about it, but actually it apperead to be bit painful process even on desktop | 00:00 |
| Hummer12007 | libtool? | 00:02 |
| bluszcz | tbh, never used it | 00:04 |
| bluszcz | is it feasible to cross compile statically? | 00:04 |
| bluszcz | not sure, any tutorial / docs links would be good to start | 00:05 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | hi~ | 08:54 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | is there any way I can input japanese text on sf? without WlanKeyboard or other unpractical tricks | 08:55 |
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| chriadam | pvuorela: has a community member contributed any japanese keyboards? is there anything else required for japanese input methods? | 08:59 |
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| pvuorela | chriadam: Ccdc_DuckZ, quickly googling: https://openrepos.net/content/behold/jolla-anthy-jp | 09:09 |
| pvuorela | haven't tried. | 09:09 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | pvuorela: isn't openrepos the thing with unofficial apps? I don't want to enable the "allow third party apps" option... | 09:11 |
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| pvuorela | yes, that would be unofficial. | 09:11 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | how comes it's not in the store btw? | 09:11 |
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| pvuorela | we haven't allowed extra keyboards due to unstable apis and partly security reasons, running all in the same process. | 09:12 |
| Behold | Last time I checked there wasn't any way for Harbour apps to write to the keyboard layout directory, so I had to upload it to openrepos | 09:12 |
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| Behold | Besides, it's very much in an alpha state (though it Works For Me™) | 09:13 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | yes, I can tell... "Added workaround to fix the frequent crashing" and "Fixed crashes when selecting predictions" :) | 09:13 |
| Behold | Yeah, but those two fixes should take care of the vast majority of crashes | 09:14 |
| Behold | In fact, it hasn't crashed for me at all since the latest version | 09:14 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | isn't there some android app that can do the magic either? copy-pasting from phone-to-phone (ie not WlanKeyboard) might also work for me | 09:14 |
| Behold | The actual keyboard layout could use some fine-tuning though if I ever find the time | 09:14 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | that's another problem, I know I wouldn't be checking the website every two minutes, so I won't receive updates even if I decided to install it | 09:15 |
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| Behold | I wouldn't bet on being able to find some way to input Japanese directly into Sailfish apps using an Android app | 09:15 |
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| pvuorela | btw, out of curiosity, how much a limitation is not having kanji support in japanese keyboard? | 09:18 |
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| Behold | You cannot type proper Japanese without kanji | 09:18 |
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| pvuorela | yeah, that's what i was thinking :) | 09:19 |
| Behold | At that rate you might as well just use romaji | 09:19 |
| pvuorela | just looks like the keyboard there doesn't do kanjis. | 09:19 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | pvuorela: if I could write with kana only, that would already be a huge step forward, at least I could find stuff on dictionaries and don't look like a total illiterate when I type in chat | 09:19 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | typing japanese in romaji fils a littel bit as if ai started taiping inglish laik dis | 09:21 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | not sure how hard it would be to setup mozc and leverage that to get kanjis btw, but on desktop it works just fine for me | 09:22 |
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| Behold | I actually looked into using mozc instead of anthy, but it seems to be based on some kind of undocumented IPC protocol that I couldn't figure out | 09:23 |
| Behold | And anthy works well enough in my experience anyway, so it doesn't really matter | 09:24 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | I never tried anthy tbh, but I'm guessing they are the same, more or less | 09:24 |
| r0kk3rz | Ccdc_DuckZ: i think there will be better support for this kind of thing soon | 09:25 |
| r0kk3rz | once pootle is up and running, i think keyboards come under that work | 09:25 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: you mean an official way? because jolla seems to be a bit of a goner, so I'm not really expecting updates | 09:26 |
| r0kk3rz | they were not accpted because of the whole split keyboard feature, but afaik keyboard is stable now | 09:26 |
| r0kk3rz | Ccdc_DuckZ: yes official | 09:26 |
| r0kk3rz | Ccdc_DuckZ: they arent gone yet, battered, bruised, but not gone | 09:26 |
| pvuorela | oh right, anthy was doing some kanji things. just checked code on rpm very briefly. | 09:27 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: so they are not closing down? I was kind of thinking to start looking at the android scene | 09:28 |
| pvuorela | keyboard api is not set in stone yet. there's been discussion on layout contributions at https://together.jolla.com/question/124266/keyboard-contributions-for-inclusion-in-sfos/ | 09:28 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | that's good news I think | 09:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | Ccdc_DuckZ: a new round of sailfish customers coming in april with Aqua Fish | 09:30 |
| r0kk3rz | so there is work to be done | 09:30 |
| r0kk3rz | but yes, vote up that tjc | 09:30 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: ah, I read about that new phone yesterday on diaspora... but it looks totally the same as the phone I currently have, so I was not sure if it was an imitation or what | 09:31 |
| r0kk3rz | imitation | 09:32 |
| pvuorela | so, if there's demand for something which fills criteria, can consider. now with japanese realized the font should really have whole CJK. mostly concerned then on engine side. | 09:32 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | after learning what happened with the taobao tablets, you know... | 09:32 |
| r0kk3rz | the insides are completely different | 09:32 |
| r0kk3rz | dual sim, screen much nicer, more ram, that kind of thing | 09:32 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | hmm it would be good if they could at least re-gain the users they lost... I might actually get my japanese keyboard at some point, then :) | 09:33 |
| * Ccdc_DuckZ upvoted | 09:34 | |
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| r0kk3rz | Ccdc_DuckZ: yeah its a funny thing supporting a language where you've never actually released a device... | 09:42 |
| r0kk3rz | you would have had to import it from EU | 09:42 |
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| Acce | Ccdc_DuckZ: is there are reason you won't try Behold's work? I've been using it succesfully on sfos since he put it out | 09:59 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | Acce: yes, it's not in the store | 10:03 |
| Acce | ok, so just a policy thing | 10:04 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: I know, but people studying japanese like me will still find it useful | 10:05 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | r0kk3rz: btw, I think iPhone is so much popular in japan simply because its input method is far better than android's (I heard that from native japanese speakers), so who knows, making a nice input system might win some easy audience when sf makes its way to japan? :) | 10:06 |
| Acce | btw, is the keyboard system part of MER or still proprietary? ie. would it be possible to get other keyboard layouts and IMEs via MER? | 10:07 |
| Acce | Ccdc_DuckZ: I doubt sfos will enter japan in a few decades.. the market is far too saturated over there | 10:08 |
| Acce | they tried with firefoxOS, but it died outright | 10:09 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | firefoxos died a bit everywhere tho | 10:09 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | mainly because it was next to impossible to buy one and because its 50 euros hardware was not worth the plastic it was made of, according to tech reviews I read | 10:10 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | or 80 or w/e the price was | 10:11 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | it's just to say I don't think firefoxos is a good benchmark for anything | 10:11 |
| Acce | well, we can always hope, even with the little hope there is | 10:12 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | ;) | 10:12 |
| leinir | Superior input makes phones | 10:13 |
| leinir | Just ask BlackBerry | 10:13 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | but I will only hope so much, because if I don't see the jolla blog become less upset users and more vibrant community, and I don't see decent updates coming out (ie: not dropbox support), and I don't see any decent apps coming out in the near future, my next phone will be a rooted android | 10:14 |
| Acce | btw, the ios ime being better than android is probably the usual fud by apple users, they're practically same: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XTbX9w-f7w | 10:16 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | idk, I never tried apple stuff, that's just what I heard from a few japanese folks | 10:17 |
| Acce | yeah, I wasn't blaming you, just proposing that those people probably didn't know what they talked about, but I don't know them so just a guess | 10:19 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | it could be, iphone users are famous for being biased after all :) | 10:20 |
| Acce | yep, on the other hand the video is a bit dated and I haven't used the IME on newest iOS, but I doubt there has been any major changes | 10:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | sony needs to release a sfos phone, they're the only big manufacturer without a pet OS | 10:30 |
| r0kk3rz | that might go big in japan | 10:31 |
| r0kk3rz | they still like their jap-tech | 10:31 |
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| Ccdc_DuckZ | I did see something along those lines too, on diaspora... | 10:31 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | not sure if it was official or community support, or just plans and good will | 10:32 |
| r0kk3rz | Ccdc_DuckZ: Sony are being nice with their kernel releases | 10:36 |
| r0kk3rz | so it makes running sfos on Xperia phones very easy | 10:36 |
| r0kk3rz | ok maybe not very easy, but comparatively easy | 10:36 |
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| datapulte | ohai | 13:58 |
| datapulte | I want to know if there's encryption features by default in sailfish os ? (sorry for my english, I do my best) | 13:58 |
| datapulte | like full disk encryption with LUKS | 13:59 |
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| urjaman | https://together.jolla.com/question/2158/optional-encryption-of-the-device/ not yet officially, but lets say is on the wishlist ... (and its linux so you might be able to create some solution, but well...) | 14:01 |
| urjaman | datapulte: btw, i found that by googling "sailfish os encryption" as the first result (just saying) | 14:02 |
| datapulte | I've found this link but I'm asking if something will be relaesed in the v 2 | 14:03 |
| datapulte | It seems not | 14:03 |
| datapulte | :( | 14:03 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | the thing I found when I don't know something at all is that even if I find the link on duckduckgo or w/e I'm still not sure that's the best way to do that thing | 14:04 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | like earlier I was looking for a mercurial plugin for kdevelop, I did find something but the guys on #kdevelop had a different suggestion, which I'm guessing is better/more up-to-date | 14:05 |
| Ccdc_DuckZ | so I'm just saying the day humans will be replaced by search engines is not here yet :) | 14:07 |
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| dessant | hi | 15:58 |
| dessant | is there a public repo for the website? https://sailfishos.org | 15:58 |
| kimmoli | no | 15:59 |
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| dessant | there is a typo on one of the concept images https://sailfishos.org/design/ux-framework/ | 15:59 |
| dessant | the Clock is named Cloack :P https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/APPGRID.jpg | 16:00 |
| daitheflu | lol | 16:01 |
| dessant | please relay it to the people who maintain the site | 16:01 |
| fledermaus | loackalisation. | 16:01 |
| daitheflu | presenting the UX with the Tablet is an epic troll :D | 16:01 |
| kimmoli | 2nd typo.. Emial | 16:02 |
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| dessant | haha :D | 16:02 |
| dessant | and what's a Tweed? https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/EVENTS.jpg | 16:04 |
| dessant | anyway, jolla likes it | 16:05 |
| leszek_ | dessant: Appgrid. Email is called Emial :P | 16:06 |
| leszek_ | damnit someone faster then me | 16:07 |
| leszek_ | *than | 16:07 |
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| kimmoli | yeah, i got the sticker from that | 16:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | i also never consented to my face being put on the website :P | 16:14 |
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| dessant | r0kk3rz: someone else did :P | 16:27 |
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| dessant | and it's probably legal in places where you can already check your cloack, then type some tweeds | 16:32 |
| r0kk3rz | you sure its not dutch? | 16:33 |
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| urjaman | Cloack :D | 16:35 |
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| leszek | webcat 2.2 current progress: https://youtu.be/iaeMNppgOSQ | 18:17 |
| leszek | hint. A huge performance win in the ui responsiveness for jolla will be also in this new version | 18:17 |
| leszek | will run faster on nexus5 and other devices aswell. Though scrolling might be not as smooth as on Jolla | 18:18 |
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| newbie | people online, help me with something | 18:22 |
| newbie | how do i install sailfish as an alpha on an android device? | 18:23 |
| leszek | newbie: depends on the device. For the nexus 5 for example: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris/Install_SailfishOS_for_hammerhead#Steps_to_install | 18:24 |
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| newbie | htc desire 526g+ is my device | 18:24 |
| newbie | to be a little more specific, this device is rooted, but the bootloader is currently locked for me | 18:25 |
| leszek | newbie: I don't see this device under the supported devices here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 18:25 |
| leszek | or is it also known under another name ? | 18:25 |
| newbie | im trying to unlock the bootloader and want to flash with sailfish as soon as its done, maybe in a dual boot. | 18:25 |
| newbie | i dont think so, its the only name ive ever come across, even on xd | 18:25 |
| newbie | xda* | 18:26 |
| leszek | if there isn't an sailfishos image for your device yet. It isn't supported currently. You can try help porting in #sailfish-porters channel I guess | 18:26 |
| leszek | #sailfishos-porters | 18:27 |
| newbie | okay, let me join that channel as well | 18:28 |
| newbie | any prior knowledge required? | 18:28 |
| leszek | newbie: actually Iam not sure. I think some knowledge about android and linux general helps. But better ask the porters there. | 18:29 |
| newbie | sure, thanks.! | 18:29 |
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| kimmoli | mv QImage says this about ambience images.. "Not a JPEG file: starts with 0xff 0xd9" | 18:34 |
| leszek | btw. is there still some jolla dev working on this: https://together.jolla.com/question/68537/clipboard-copy-paste-broken-not-getting-updated-at-times/ | 18:35 |
| leszek | the clipboard is still broken on 2.0.1.7 | 18:35 |
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| leszek | since version 1.x we never ever had a reliable working clipboard. Its a shame the bug is not taking care of | 18:36 |
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| kimmoli | yeah. the code on lipstick side looks kinda straightforward. blame Qt ? | 18:38 |
| leszek | kimmoli: might be a bug in Qt. For me it looks like a buffer overflow error somehow. | 18:39 |
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| leszek | I am not sure how the Qt upstream work is. But there should be a error report about it if it is still a matter. Maybe a patch needs to be backported | 18:40 |
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| leszek | Basically I am a little bit frustrated by that bug and the lack of a fix :P | 18:41 |
| leszek | fix or even workaround | 18:41 |
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| kimmoli | i haven't figured out what causes it to crash. more stranger is that it fixes by itself also.. | 18:44 |
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| leszek | kimmoli: yeah some report that copying in the terminal helps. Apparently it is using another way of copying or so | 18:45 |
| leszek | and fixing by itself never happens for me if I need to copy something :P I always keep restarting lipstick | 18:45 |
| leszek | so it works again | 18:45 |
| leszek | so it might be also some kind of bug in lipstick | 18:46 |
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| kimmoli | afaiu lipstick contains that QtClipboard object | 18:58 |
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| leszek | kimmoli: ok I will search for some QtClipboard bugs in Qt. Maybe I find something that could help finally fixing that issue | 19:01 |
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| leszek | oO it might be a QT_QPA_PLATFORM bug in wayland | 19:12 |
| leszek | kimmoli: do you perform a manual clearing of the clipboard when new data is added ? Or have you tried that to workaround the bug ? | 19:15 |
| kimmoli | nope | 19:16 |
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| leszek | kimmoli: also did you know that on wayland Qt returning a nullptr from QClipboard::mimeData ? Which could also lead to such a problem couldn't it ? | 19:19 |
| leszek | lipstick code isn't viewable so I can only guess whats written in there | 19:20 |
| leszek | kde fixed that particular error with mimeData here: https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/118649/diff/2#index_header | 19:22 |
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| kimmoli | leszek: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/lipstick/blob/master/src/compositor/lipstickcompositor.cpp#L729 | 19:37 |
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| leszek | kimmoli: I think before setting some data into clipboard here: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/lipstick/blob/master/src/compositor/lipstickcompositor.cpp#L213 should be a QGuiApplication::clipboard()->clear() | 19:47 |
| leszek | at least that somehow works. I tested fingerterms ability to make the clipboard work again. If I remove the clear(); before setText in that case it won't be able to copy the text to clipboard if the clipboard hangs. But if I use clear before setText it will work again and copies the text successfully | 19:49 |
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| leszek | it might be worth trying that in lipstick aswell | 19:50 |
| kimmoli | maybe worth of testing. i didn't manage to build lipstick (in obs) last time i tried | 20:01 |
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| leszek | Ok now I added also a workaround for this clipboard bug in webcat. So basically marking text in webcat and then going to the "selection editor" whenever copy is hit it will create a new QClipboard object clear it and setText. After that the clipboard is working again. I tested it here several times now and it works reliable. Maybe another workaround for all of those who don't have developer mode enabled and fingerterm | 20:43 |
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| taixzo_ | Is there any way to use the PyCrypto library on Sailfish OS? | 22:00 |
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| M4rtinK2 | taixzo_: looks like it should not be hard to build | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | taixzo_: and seems to be Python 3 ready | 22:17 |
| M4rtinK2 | taixzo_: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:nielnielsen/python-crypto | 22:18 |
| M4rtinK2 | taixzo_: seems to be the latest version & builds fine | 22:19 |
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| taixzo_ | M4rtinK2: thanks! How does licensing for built packages work - can I add that to my repo so saera can depend on it? | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK2 | IMHO | 22:22 |
| M4rtinK2 | I don't think there should be anything preventing this | 22:23 |
| taixzo_ | wait, nvm, that’s python2, so I need to rebuild it myself anyway | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | distros reuse each other packaging all the time | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | & I have been using the Mer OBS to build all my modRana packages :) | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | oh, right | 22:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | Fedora has it with Python 3 support | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK2 | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=729101 | 22:26 |
| M4rtinK2 | let's see if it builds on the OBS | 22:26 |
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| haasn | I'm trying to install https://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/openssh-0 ; I added the NielDK personal repo and `zypper refresh` updated its metadata, but `zypper update openssh` claims no newer version is available. What am I doing wrong? | 23:13 |
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| haasn | Hmm, apparently `zypper rl` doesn't list the repo either | 23:23 |
| M4rtinK2 | haasn: IIRC it has a concept of origin | 23:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | at least in some cases | 23:28 |
| haasn | Also I tried enabling sailfish OS early access but the update thing still says 2.0.0.10 is the latest | 23:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | it basically tracks the what repository the package has been installed from | 23:28 |
| M4rtinK2 | and ignores other repositories providing it | 23:29 |
| haasn | M4rtinK2: I found that too, but even if I disable the vendor check entirely it doesn't find it. Seems the repo didn't even get listed | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | could be possibly causing this | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | weird | 23:29 |
| haasn | even though zypper claims it got successfully added, and even managed to update the metadata | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK2 | I think I have the opposite issue actually | 23:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | eq. zypper bugging me to update openssh from Niels repo | 23:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | let me check | 23:30 |
| haasn | maybe my commands are getting applied to your phone | 23:30 |
| M4rtinK2 | you are kidding | 23:31 |
| * haasn types sudo rm -rf /* | 23:31 | |
| M4rtinK2 | but I've just read this: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/40397.html | 23:31 |
| M4rtinK2 | and it no longer sounds that implausible :) | 23:31 |
| haasn | Ah, the update system managed to find the beta update now | 23:31 |
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| haasn | M4rtinK2: hilarious article | 23:34 |
| haasn | IoT is sure gonna be great.. not | 23:34 |
| haasn | I can't wait for a 0day to leave me cold and in the dark | 23:34 |
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| M4rtinK2 | haasn: oh, don't worry | 23:42 |
| M4rtinK2 | haasn: I'm sure there are already products on the market that can set you house on fire :) | 23:43 |
| haasn | future headlines: “man killed by wifi-connected toothbrush” | 23:46 |
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| haasn | Neat, after upgrading to the early access preview of sailfishOS I have a recent enough version of OpenSSH out of the box | 23:50 |
| haasn | Now I don't need to fix the repo thing | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK2 | cool! :) | 23:55 |
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| M4rtinK2 | yeah, look like it also does not want to update my openssh anymore | 23:57 |
| haasn | now I can switch to using ed25519 keys everywhere | 23:57 |
| haasn | time to leave RSA in the past | 23:57 |
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