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| M4rtinK2 | taixzo_: here you are! :) | 00:50 |
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| M4rtinK2 | taixzo_: https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:MartinK:sailfish/python-crypto | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | just a disclaimer - no guaranties from my side :) | 00:51 |
| M4rtinK2 | I just took the Fedora package a butchered it long enough to work around all the Mer OBS breakage (broken macros all around, package collisions, etc.) | 00:52 |
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| taixzo_ | M4rtinK2: seems to work! | 01:05 |
| taixzo_ | although, when importing modules from it it gives this warning: | 01:06 |
| taixzo_ | _warn("Not using mpz_powm_sec. You should rebuild using libgmp >= 5 to avoid timing attack vulnerability.", PowmInsecureWarning) | 01:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | I guess gmp might be outdated on MEr | 01:06 |
| M4rtinK2 | *Mer | 01:06 |
| taixzo_ | what is gmp? | 01:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | IIRC | 01:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Multiple_Precision_Arithmetic_Library | 01:07 |
| M4rtinK2 | looks like it's 4.3 on Mer | 01:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | [ 11s] [47/125] installing gmp-4.3.2-1.2.2 | 01:08 |
| taixzo_ | ok. | 01:08 |
| M4rtinK2 | wow | 01:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | that's outdated as hell | 01:09 |
| taixzo_ | timing attacks are probably less important for a phone than a server, but it still might be a good idea to update it | 01:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | see | 01:09 |
| M4rtinK2 | http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=670 | 01:09 |
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| M4rtinK2 | at least on Fedora 4.3 was used back in 2013 | 01:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | actually | 01:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | 2011 | 01:10 |
| M4rtinK2 | yeah, it might not be that important in your case | 01:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | but again - I'm no crypto expert :) | 01:11 |
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| M4rtinK2 | and it certainly might be a good idea to raise the issue of gmp being outdated | 01:11 |
| M4rtinK2 | & causing potential issues | 01:11 |
| taixzo_ | neither am I - I’m just trying to set up something so that two phones can talk to eachother via a non-trusted server | 01:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | taixzo_: here you go: https://bugs.merproject.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Mer%20Core&component=gmp :D | 01:12 |
| M4rtinK2 | cool! :) | 01:13 |
| M4rtinK2 | anyway, really have to go now :) | 01:13 |
| M4rtinK2 | so good luck & bye! :) | 01:13 |
| taixzo_ | bye! | 01:13 |
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| rubdos | coderus, but seriously, why? ;-) | 13:44 |
| coderus | rubdos: seriously, because i can :) | 13:48 |
| rubdos | hehe. So, you take the tablet that's probably the most secure tablet you can get (not that anyone can proof that, but let's say so), you throw on an OS that contains more proprietary software and then you install a backdoored app store? ;-) | 13:49 |
| rubdos | But yes, "because I can" is a valid excuse for it | 13:50 |
| rubdos | I would try it too, if I had a tablet on spare! | 13:50 |
| rubdos | but I don't have one, let alone two of them :( | 13:50 |
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| coderus | i'm not a security paranoid maniac | 13:53 |
| coderus | i didnt satsfied with sfos on tablet last month, so i decided to experiment :) | 13:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | rubdos: sailfish isnt that secure | 14:29 |
| rubdos | r0kk3rz, fact. Android isn't either. | 14:30 |
| r0kk3rz | just no datalogger by default | 14:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | aosp is at least battle hardened | 14:30 |
| rubdos | security, privacy, whatever... They differ mostly in one aspect: one does it intentionally ;) | 14:30 |
| rubdos | fact, but sfos can be too, if it were used a bit more. | 14:31 |
| r0kk3rz | well, we need more researcherd to attack it | 14:31 |
| Smar | #define security here :P | 14:31 |
| Smar | what makes sailfish and android insecure here? | 14:32 |
| rubdos | #undef security | 14:32 |
| r0kk3rz | and probably some kind of app security. but thats a broken concept | 14:32 |
| rubdos | (I've been writing a lot of macro's lately) | 14:32 |
| Smar | r0kk3rz: well, you can’t exactly trust *any* applications you install without reading their source by yourself | 14:32 |
| rubdos | yes, especially on sfos, afaik... Android at least has some per app privilleges that get checked. | 14:33 |
| Smar | openssl is maybe nowadays’ most famous example... | 14:33 |
| rubdos | yup | 14:33 |
| rubdos | that counts for all software though | 14:33 |
| r0kk3rz | Smar: yes, its a broken concept | 14:33 |
| rubdos | so android and sfos are on par there. | 14:33 |
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| Smar | r0kk3rz: yeah, I find it hard to talk about absolute security due to it :) | 14:33 |
| Smar | ”more secure” would maybe be more accurate ;) | 14:34 |
| r0kk3rz | Smar: but the idea that you want to "securely" run known malware is a shit idea | 14:34 |
| Smar | r0kk3rz: did you switch your comp out of openssl so far? | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | no | 14:35 |
| Smar | why you’re running known ”malware” then? :D | 14:35 |
| r0kk3rz | im not sure its malware | 14:35 |
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| Smar | I’d guess not in that way, but it’s at least very dubious in terms of security | 14:36 |
| r0kk3rz | unless im missing something | 14:36 |
| Smar | but I mean, you’re using it, so you’re intentionally compromising your security for some gain | 14:36 |
| r0kk3rz | i meant known untrustworthy services/datalogges | 14:37 |
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| r0kk3rz | like facebook app | 14:37 |
| r0kk3rz | or play services | 14:37 |
| Smar | it’s acceptable to use something insecure that’s used by all (secure) applications instead of using only one insecure application? :D | 14:38 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 14:38 |
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| stephg | random question: how easy would a patch be that displays charge percentage when in LPM mode? | 16:37 |
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| coderus | stephg: very easy | 16:49 |
| coderus | stephg: ping iancelad in twitter or tmo thread | 16:49 |
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| stephg | coderus thanks | 16:53 |
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| freki | Hi | 17:46 |
| freki | I have a question which may seems simple, but I can't find any info | 17:46 |
| freki | I guess I don't have the keywords | 17:46 |
| freki | I want to pass some parameter from a QML page to another when using PageStack.push | 17:47 |
| freki | I'm doing it using global variable with Qt.<paramname> | 17:47 |
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| freki | But I was wondering if there was a more proper way to do so | 17:48 |
| kimmoli | freki: push 2nd parameter? | 18:04 |
| kimmoli | freki: e.g. https://forum.qt.io/topic/8564/resolved-how-to-use-pagestack-push-page-properties/2 | 18:05 |
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| freki | kimmoli: thanks | 18:16 |
| freki | kimmoli: that's what I was looking for | 18:17 |
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| taixzo__ | I got it working, but don’t really understand why: I added a PageHeader, and an onStatusChanged handler, and that magically added the little swipe-right button. If anyone could explain how this works I would appreciate it. | 22:31 |
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| M4rtinK | taixzo__: well, page stack works like this | 23:54 |
| M4rtinK | if I understand you correctly | 23:55 |
| taixzo__ | how does page stack work? Is there a page explaining it? | 23:55 |
| taixzo__ | I looked in the Sailfish dev pages but didn’t see anything | 23:56 |
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