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| tortoisedoc | HMM | 07:09 |
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| tortoisedoc | what rights to set on an app exe in order to give it extended rights? | 07:10 |
| tortoisedoc | (i.e. unlocking etc) | 07:10 |
| tortoisedoc | (and pardon my crappy english) | 07:10 |
| tortoisedoc | I guess suid? | 07:12 |
| tbr | not sure if that's enough. there are also those capabilities | 07:19 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : hmm? | 07:19 |
| tortoisedoc | at some point coderus had a very good explanation of this | 07:20 |
| tortoisedoc | tbr : you mean same capabilities used in Harmattan? | 07:20 |
| tortoisedoc | (but with no aegis this time :P ) | 07:21 |
| tbr | I thought they used some similar things, but not as extensively | 07:21 |
| tbr | yes | 07:21 |
| tbr | though as they never had a real security concept... | 07:21 |
| tortoisedoc | heh | 07:22 |
| tortoisedoc | its like SELinux | 07:22 |
| tortoisedoc | nobody really knows what's for or how to use it really | 07:22 |
| tortoisedoc | but better to have it or else :P | 07:22 |
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| tortoisedoc | Jonni : Ping | 07:54 |
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| tortoisedoc | bah | 08:04 |
| tortoisedoc | one feedback about the new sailfishos.org? I liked the fact that the irc channles were linked from the mainpage | 08:04 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: unlocking done via mce dbus and afaik doesnt require privileges | 08:21 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : that used to work, but apparently in later versions, if you have device lock code on, it does not work (aka it does not slide in the device unlock code entry dialog) | 08:22 |
| tortoisedoc | it is to be seen if it's a bug or a "feature" | 08:22 |
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| coderus | tortoisedoc: should work afaik | 08:34 |
| coderus | cant test right now | 08:34 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : does not :/ | 08:35 |
| tortoisedoc | tested it many times and checked, issue seems to be in jolla-lipstick; dialog is displayed via a signal nowadays | 08:36 |
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| mal- | is there some easy way to detect in an application if headphones are connected? | 08:43 |
| kimmoli | does ohmd (or something else) have dbus signals? | 08:56 |
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| r0kk3rz | you might be able to query pulseaudio | 09:02 |
| r0kk3rz | to find out what sink its using | 09:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | favicon on the new sailfish.org site is still old logo | 09:17 |
| mal- | kimmoli: ohmd might be the correct place, I need to look into source of that | 09:19 |
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| aimless | Isn't the lib Qt.labs.settings yet available? Is it necessary to write a settings-wrapper for QSettings? | 11:36 |
| r0kk3rz | aimless: theres nemo configuration module | 11:39 |
| r0kk3rz | or you can wrap qsettings | 11:39 |
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| aimless | r0kk3rz: you mean that one? | 11:52 |
| aimless | https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/nemo-qml-plugin-configuration/qml-org-nemomobile-configuration-configurationvalue.html/ | 11:52 |
| r0kk3rz | aimless: yes that one | 11:53 |
| kimmoli | mal-: in system dbus path=/com/nokia/policy/decision; interface=com.nokia.policy; member=audio_actions | 12:03 |
| mal- | kimmoli: I was testing the fm radio on android side in fp2 and it didn't allow usage of the app because I didn't have a headset connected so I thought the same might be a good idea in sailfish app also | 12:05 |
| kimmoli | yeah, it actually receives but kinda just static. (at least this is not prevented in hw level) | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | mal-: i wonder if you can do funky things with the pulseaudio routing so you dont *have* to listen through the headphones | 12:06 |
| r0kk3rz | you need headphones for antenna, but what if you're connected to bluetooth speaker? | 12:07 |
| kimmoli | so maybe allow user to force listening w/o headphones connected | 12:07 |
| locusf | its called corking | 12:07 |
| * kimmoli likes to listen static :P | 12:07 | |
| kimmoli | Just pasted a lot, see here http://pastebin.com/QvHGP9gF | 12:07 |
| kimmoli | mal-: ^ this is what i noticed in dbus when attaching/removing plug | 12:08 |
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| kimmoli | same is there with onyx, only after restarting ohmd (which taaem mentioned earlier that headphones doesnt work before restarting it) | 12:12 |
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| mal- | r0kk3rz: that's the plan, some kind of toggle the specify which output to use | 12:13 |
| r0kk3rz | mal-: sounds cool :) | 12:14 |
| mal- | not sure how easy that will be | 12:14 |
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| mal- | kimmoli: yes, you can use fm without headphones as an antenna but that is so useless that better not to allow it by default at least | 12:17 |
| kimmoli | it is in contradictory to "wtf. i dont believe before i see".. | 12:17 |
| mal- | kimmoli: also you would have to change the lower level setting of the kernel driver to use the integrated useless antenna | 12:19 |
| mal- | kimmoli: and this is not supported by the qt radio api | 12:19 |
| kimmoli | ah | 12:20 |
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| kimmoli | mal-: there is also SW_HEADPHONE_INSERT which gets monitored by mce | 12:34 |
| kimmoli | evdev | 12:34 |
| mal- | kimmoli: I know, not sure if I can get it from mce somehow | 12:35 |
| kimmoli | does it go to ContextProperty | 12:37 |
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| mal- | I need to investigate that | 12:40 |
| kimmoli | seems not | 12:42 |
| mal- | of course mce can be modified | 12:43 |
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| kimmoli | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/mce/blob/master/tklock.c#L1289 | 12:45 |
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| spiiroin | mal, kimmoli: mce tracks those only for purposes of: user activity, block suspend to allow ohm time to do audio routing changes, and depending on settings turning display on | 12:46 |
| spiiroin | audio policy decision from ohm might apply, or maybe there is something in qt/qml somewhere | 12:49 |
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| mal- | spiiroin: ok | 12:54 |
| spiiroin | mal-, kimmoli: I asked around (i.e. bugged jusa_) ... apparently ohm would be the place to get the info, but there is no qt/qml friendly way to get it atm | 12:59 |
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| jusa_ | one option would be to write some qt-library which would abstract away OHM in case some day OHM would be replaced. that library would then listen to OHM routing changes | 13:00 |
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| jusa_ | or that would probably be the best option.. OHM would need a bit work as well, as there currently is no mechanism for getting current state of affairs (iirc) | 13:01 |
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| mal- | jusa_: so something like implementing this http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qaudiooutputselectorcontrol.html ? | 13:04 |
| mal- | which would communicate with ohm somehow | 13:04 |
| spiiroin | file bug for "get the current state" -> https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1526 | 13:08 |
| merbot | Mer bug 1526 in ohm "Add mechanism for querying current audio routing state from ohm" [Task,New] | 13:08 |
| jusa_ | mal-: looks otherwise good, but setActiveOutput() will not work | 13:09 |
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| jusa_ | mal-: there are a couple of cases where outside world can set active output (namely during phone call routing from earpiece/headphones to speaker), but otherwise OHM won't allow that. | 13:10 |
| jusa_ | but as long that is taken into account that would be nice | 13:10 |
| mal- | jusa_: but a person might want to listen to fm radio on speaker also and it need headphones to be connected to work | 13:11 |
| jusa_ | mal-: yes I know.. | 13:11 |
| mal- | so we need to add a new rule to ohm for that | 13:12 |
| jusa_ | as QAudioOutputSelectorControl user would follow activeOutputChanged then that would tell if the output request was possible etc.. there is going to be a need for setting speaker as active output during fm as well | 13:12 |
| aimless | r0kk3rz: but how can I even use this config module? When I common import the module by means of "import org.nemomobile.Configuration 1.0" it is mentioned, that the module dosn't contain information about components in the plugin. | 13:13 |
| aimless | is anything missing in the .pro file? | 13:13 |
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| r0kk3rz | aimless: yeah its missing the autocomplete info | 13:15 |
| r0kk3rz | its just an IDE error | 13:15 |
| aimless | ah, ok. So I can just ignore it?!? | 13:16 |
| r0kk3rz | should be able to | 13:16 |
| kimmoli | aimless: https://github.com/CODeRUS/better-sailfishos-qmltypes/tree/Sdk1511/org/nemomobile/configuration | 13:18 |
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| aimless | thx. It works. But is it also allowed from harbour? | 13:26 |
| coderus | aimless: i'm not sure | 13:26 |
| coderus | but you can always use any qml imports in some special way, so rpm validator say OK | 13:27 |
| r0kk3rz | aimless: which is dumb, because they had it shown in the Sailfishos.org developer docs... | 13:27 |
| aimless | k, I'll see it. I hope I can release a first Beta around next week. | 13:28 |
| kimmoli | it is https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator/blob/master/allowed_qmlimports.conf#L42 | 13:28 |
| aimless | perfect! | 13:29 |
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| leszek | I am wondering currently if I can automate these if statements somehow so I can use variables instead of conrete numbers here: http://pastebin.com/MFtAZKWd Any help would be appreciated | 13:31 |
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| twaapo | is there any info about current jolla/sfos dev status and future? | 15:05 |
| daitheflu | twaapo: what do you want to know exactly ? | 15:06 |
| twaapo | whens the next version out :D | 15:06 |
| twaapo | been quiet | 15:06 |
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| daitheflu | twaapo: as always : when it's ready | 15:17 |
| daitheflu | they usually don't give any ETA | 15:17 |
| daitheflu | in the last community meeting, they precised that they are stuck with a bug | 15:17 |
| daitheflu | I don't remember what exactly | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | call bug | 15:18 |
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| coderus | leszek: WHAt. tHe. HelL?? | 15:23 |
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| urjaman | thats the most repetitive (and unflexible) code i've seen in a while... | 15:28 |
| urjaman | (though i'm sure theres worse out there :P) | 15:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | heh, thats easy fix, you need to write an algorithm | 15:36 |
| urjaman | yeah, usually i just expect one to start with an algorithm in this kind of case :P | 15:38 |
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| Linnak | Hi, Is Sailfish OS java based like Android? | 16:54 |
| mal- | no, the UI is Qt based | 16:55 |
| Linnak | mal-, Thanks. Have you heard of Plasma Mobile? | 16:55 |
| mal- | not much | 16:57 |
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| Linnak | Do you know when the second Jolla arrives? | 17:13 |
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| Bysmyyr | There will be no second Jolla | 17:14 |
| Linnak | Why? Development is finished? | 17:14 |
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| Bysmyyr | Other companies will do that | 17:15 |
| Bysmyyr | https://cdn.jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/bsk-pdf-manager/MWC_2016_press_release_240216_65.pdf | 17:15 |
| Bysmyyr | read that | 17:15 |
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| Linnak | Bysmyyr, I see. Thank you | 17:25 |
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| Linnak | Is Sailfish OS comatible with all Android app? | 17:28 |
| Linnak | I read just "some" Android apps | 17:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | Linnak: depends on what you have installed | 17:30 |
| r0kk3rz | and what it does | 17:30 |
| Linnak | For example remote control for olympus cameras | 17:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | probably not | 17:33 |
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| zoldyck | Linnak: mostly incompatibility is related to Google Services not being installed | 17:49 |
| zoldyck | but you can install them if that's your wish :) | 17:49 |
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| zoldyck | I think Android apps have all they need now | 17:50 |
| coderus | bluetooth stuff not working in android | 17:50 |
| zoldyck | including access to SMS, camera etc. | 17:50 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus: did they fix the wifi related stuff? | 17:50 |
| coderus | wifi always worked | 17:51 |
| Linnak | I must change my Windows Phone because I need several apps which Windows doesn't have and if I already change I look around. Software selection is a big plus for Android and iOS. | 17:51 |
| Linnak | I want to try Ubuntu phone as well but I know I won't have those apps which I have now on Windows. | 17:52 |
| r0kk3rz | coderus: not direct to devices like cameras afaik | 17:52 |
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| coderus | r0kk3rz: well, devices which creates adhoc networks not working obviously | 17:52 |
| coderus | because of ofvious android adhoc networks problem | 17:53 |
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| kimmoli | fwiw, atleast wifi-OBD works from android app on jolla. | 17:59 |
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| dv_ | so the UI (lipstick) of sailfish is proprietary? | 19:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | dv_: silica. lipstick itself is perfectly open source | 19:46 |
| dv_ | so. lipstick and silica, what's the connection? | 19:48 |
| dv_ | is silica the theme ? | 19:48 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah more or less | 19:49 |
| dv_ | hm ok | 19:49 |
| dv_ | gotta say, its gorgeous | 19:49 |
| dv_ | it could also work marvelously as a media center UI | 19:49 |
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| r0kk3rz | dv_: its certainly possible | 19:51 |
| r0kk3rz | you can put sailfish / nemo on a raspberry pi | 19:52 |
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| dv_ | with silica? | 19:52 |
| dv_ | is it freely available, just closed? | 19:52 |
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| r0kk3rz | yeah with silica | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | https://sailpi.wordpress.com/2015/11/11/sailpi-with-sailfishos-2-0-0-10-now-available/ | 19:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | but you would likely be better off with glacier instead, as its proper open and so you can do what you want with it | 19:55 |
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| Linnak | Can you give me the link on which I can see with wich phones is sailfish compatible? | 21:07 |
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| Hummer12007 | hi, is it possible to schedule something (from Python, if possible, or even native code) to execute as soon as network becomes available (if it's unavailable right now)? | 22:06 |
| tbr | mh, I guess you could listen for some dbus signal | 22:11 |
| Hummer12007 | emmited by connman? | 22:14 |
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| kimmoli | dbus-monitor is your friend | 22:20 |
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| Hummer12007 | thanks! | 22:24 |
| otwieracz | Is there something like „netcat” for sailfish? | 22:25 |
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| Hummer12007 | did you consider building it yourself? | 22:28 |
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| urjaman | i suppose you can find a suitable rpm, somebody did one time back... | 22:28 |
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| urjaman | OTOH, if you want it for rescue purposes the rescue mode does have the busybox "nc" | 22:29 |
| otwieracz | No, not rescue purposes. | 22:29 |
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| otwieracz | or maybe telnet? | 22:32 |
| otwieracz | I just need to send data over TCP | 22:33 |
| Hummer12007 | iirc, telnet is available from the netutils package in NielDK's wonderful repo | 22:33 |
| Hummer12007 | *inetutils | 22:34 |
| otwieracz | What's nieldk repo? | 22:34 |
| Hummer12007 | do you have Warehouse installed? | 22:34 |
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| otwieracz | No, I do not. | 22:35 |
| otwieracz | (and I have sailfish on Nexus 5, if this matters) | 22:35 |
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| Hummer12007 | try installing this rpm: it should be compatible | 22:36 |
| Hummer12007 | https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos | 22:36 |
| Hummer12007 | or directly | 22:36 |
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| Hummer12007 | inetutils | 22:36 |
| Hummer12007 | https://openrepos.net/content/nieldk/inetutils | 22:36 |
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| otwieracz | Thank you! | 22:39 |
| leszek | omg sailfishos still hasn't got a copy function that works reliably. I hate to restart lipstick everytime it hangs again and keeps pasting old stuff over and over again | 22:40 |
| leszek | is it so hard to write a copy daemon that does not sit in lipstick directly but is a seperate deal ? I can | 22:41 |
| leszek | 't think it should be so hard | 22:41 |
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| Hummer12007 | and how do I handle incoming dbus signals in Python on SFOS? | 23:36 |
| Hummer12007 | I've tried this: https://paste.ubuntu.com/15202022/ | 23:36 |
| Hummer12007 | but there's no python-gi in the os | 23:37 |
| Hummer12007 | (gobject bindings) | 23:37 |
| Hummer12007 | is there another way to get mainloop? (they say it's required to handle dbus signals) | 23:38 |
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| Hummer12007 | I've instructions listed here http://www.alfonsomartone.itb.it/dusdse.html too (installed pygobject2) | 23:41 |
| Hummer12007 | but neither gobject, nor gi become available | 23:42 |
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| bluszcz | hello, i would like to try to port one of my games to sailfishos, c++ + sfml, but sfml is not available afaik, how i should this problem? distributing compiled version of library with the game? is there a way for example in open repos to make dependency on other packages? I would try to prepare rpm package for sfml and make package with game dependent on it | 23:59 |
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