Tuesday, 2015-02-03

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coderusryukafalz: if you have pkgconfig you need to put sailfishapp here also03:19
coderusAcce: if you harbour dev you can only use predefined ones.03:19
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ryukafalzAha, thanks!03:20
* ryukafalz tries and crosses his fingers03:20
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ryukafalzThat seems to have done it :)03:23
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coderusSK_work: if unapply and apply same patch in patchmanager "Restart preloaded services doesn't appear"04:07
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spiiroinajalkane: it is simple as: iphb/heartbeat = wakeup only; currently there is longish implicit suspend blocking - just that alarms work. it will be made as short as possible when timed & co get in line. after that anything that uses only iphb/wrappers = more likely to break06:30
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spiirointhe normal qt/glib timers are used for maintaining the keepalive; keepalive is needed if you plan to do anything non-trivial after wakeup06:32
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spiiroinand even if you do trivial stuff, using background processing / glib compatibility timers is better than vanilla iphb / heartbeat06:32
spiirointhe power management aspect is: do not wakeup too often; stop keepalive as soon as it is not needed06:33
spiiroin.... and critically: no matter what happens, do not fail to end keepalive06:35
spiiroinexit on failure works too, keepalive gets auto-canceled that way06:35
kimmolispiiroin: ? iphb more likely to break?06:35
kimmoli*anything that uses06:36
spiiroinkimmoli: "more likely not to work as expected" would be more correct06:36
spiirointhere are no quarantees on how long work can be done after iphb wakeup06:36
kimmoliyes, but it will be made even shorter?06:37
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spiiroinnow it is way too long due to timed & co -> been in plans for ages, but ...06:37
kimmolii have seen some tens of ms06:38
spiiroinkernel blocks suspend for 1s on rtc wakeup -> that is minimum06:39
spiiroinbut scheduling will reduce that to some extent06:39
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kimmolibut it will not be shorter than that?06:39
spiiroinnot from system pov, but effectively it /might/ less for a process06:40
spiiroinwell, it is less, but might be significantly less06:40
spiiroinpoint being the higher level abstractions quarantee that the device will not fall back to suspend; iphb does not06:41
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kimmolithanks for the headsup. have to do keepalive anyway with letoh.06:44
kimmolion toholed, there is vibra+audible actions when i need to blink the display, so i trust on them06:44
kimmoliworst thing that can happen, is the display is stuck inverted until next wakeup06:45
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spiiroinyeah, just being worried that because rtc wakeups now cause implicit 5 sec blocking -> by the time we get a chance to bring it down to sane level all apps are broken06:45
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kimmoliand then keepalive gets stuck, and it blocks forever?06:56
kimmolior is there a watchdog?06:57
spiiroinblocks forever06:57
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kimmolictrl-c is your enemy then...06:58
spiiroinkilling the process is ok, when client drops from dbus -> keepalive is canceled06:58
spiiroinbut if the wakeup handler manages to omit keepalive end (on error path or something), then it might block suspend for the lifetime of the process06:59
spiirointhere at least have been issues like that with msyncd07:00
kimmoliok.07:01
kimmoligah, i have Forgot to push tohkbd related tasks to you guys :p07:02
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spiiroinspeaking of tohkbd... mce has some als logic & configs & policies for keyboard backlight - do you think it would make sense to expose some of that via dbus, or do you want to handle that directly in tohkbd daemon?07:04
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kimmolii made some logic there07:05
kimmoliwhen keyboard opened > check als > lit backlight iF user selected threshold not exceeded07:07
kimmolikey pressed same thing, and keep backlight lit For as long keys being pressed, or user deFined time07:07
spiiroinI noticed, hence the thought. If it works, then probably does not need to be changed. But even remote will might be enough incentive enough for me to check the probably-untouched-since-n900 logic.07:07
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spiiroinAlso, IIRC you did read the als data directly from sysfs? ALS is disabled when display is off -> timing glitch might mean you get stale data.07:09
spiiroinUsing sensorfw to track als status would cure that problem.07:10
kimmoliah07:11
spiiroinThe alternative would be to patch mce keypad backlight policy -> dbus state/signals for -> off/level.07:13
kimmolihum07:14
kimmolisounds kinda complicated07:14
spiiroinBut that might be bigger task than fixing current tohkbd, so ... could be either way07:14
kimmoliiäll take a look at sensorFw then, or make sure als is read when display is on07:15
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spiiroinfor jolla phone re-read at display->on should work. by the time display power on finishes, the als has already reported new state.07:18
spiiroinbut it is another one of those "happens to work, but no guarantees" kind of things ;-)07:19
kimmolijust like all of my code...07:21
coderusStskeepz: check email, images are sent07:21
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kimmolispiiroin: the flip-to-mute... https://together.jolla.com/question/371/silence-incoming-calls-by-turning-the-phone-face-down/07:25
kimmolidoes it use proximity?07:25
* spiiroin reads ...07:25
spiiroinkimmoli: indirectly - display needs to on & face up first; then turn face down. And proximity blocks display on.07:27
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kimmolii have experienced muting when phone is facing down already, on my black leather couch07:29
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kimmolirings for 1sec07:29
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kimmoliblack is not good for ir with level sensitivity07:31
spiiroinhmm.. orientation sensor too is powered up at display on. might be that some "default to face-up"  makes it look like a flip in this case07:33
spiiroinkimmoli: you could file a bug in nemo bz07:34
* lpotter mentions sensorgestures and sailfish sensorgesture plugin07:34
kimmolii have to reproduce this few more times07:35
coderusanyone else want image file for breaking phone? :D07:35
kimmolithats why i dont take selfies...07:36
kimmolispiiroin: yes, it is reproducible07:40
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spiiroinkimmoli: can you file a bug? (https://bugs.nemomobile.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Middleware -> component=mce)07:43
kimmoliyes, just logging in07:43
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daitheflugood morning08:13
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SK_workcoderus: coderus: expected, restart services only if there are changes08:37
SK_work:)08:37
coderusSK_work: where to expect a fix for that? :D08:38
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SK_workcoderus: why fix ?08:39
SK_workyou changed nothing on your system (apply unapply = nothing changed) :)08:39
coderusSK_work: patch file is changed08:40
SK_workcoderus: hum ...08:40
coderusso i unapplied old patch and applied new patch08:40
SK_workhaha08:40
SK_workI see08:40
SK_workwill think about this (diff old and new patch)08:41
coderusyep08:41
coderusjust compare patch in var and usr08:41
coderusbut anyway08:41
coderusyou should enable option without checking08:41
SK_workcoderus: hum08:42
SK_workok08:42
coderusmeans you shouldn't disable option when you unapply - apply patch08:42
coderusonce enabled it should be disabled only when clicked08:42
SK_workyeah I know08:42
coderusalso08:42
coderusdo you storing all changed categories or restarting only last one?08:43
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saidinesh5sandsmark: guess who got his laptop back08:57
saidinesh5and guess whose laptop is acting all weird... :P08:57
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SK_work:D08:59
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Accecoderus: it would be just for my own needs, so no harbour restrictions. Other than the category .conf file, I guess I need a .qml file describing the notification "window" and then somewhere connect the category to that qml file?09:27
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Accecoderus: now looked at your powermenu for an example, thanks! :P09:32
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coderusAcce: wut?09:34
coderusyou only need to put file to /usr/share/lipstick/notificationcategories09:34
coderuspowermenu window is not a notification09:35
sandsmarksaidinesh5: aww! and then :V09:35
Accebut if also want to display something different, like the height of battery notifications and message notifications are different, don't I have to change something in lipstick?09:35
sandsmarksaidinesh5: weird how?09:35
saidinesh5dunno... i suspect a failing hard disk09:35
saidinesh5it took about 3-4 miinutes to boot up09:36
saidinesh5and everything is very slow....09:36
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sandsmark:/09:37
* saidinesh5 shrugs09:37
saidinesh5will probably soon swap this one's hard disk though09:37
saidinesh5with one from old laptop09:37
saidinesh5which literally melted09:38
saidinesh5thanks to bad power management or whatever09:38
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coderusAcce: no, it just a notifications09:42
sandsmarksaidinesh5: hdd or ssd?09:42
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saidinesh5hybrid i think09:42
saidinesh51TB hdd + 24GB ssd09:42
sandsmarkah, kewl09:42
Accecoderus: ok, sorry, I found the /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/notifications/NotificationPreview.qml and saw there's only the system and normal type of notification previews09:43
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coderusAcce: i dont understand what are you trying to do or it's you don't understand some essentials09:52
coderusexplain better please09:52
coderussaidinesh5: isn't 24GB too much for / partition?09:53
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saidinesh5coderus: i dont have raw access to the SSD part09:54
saidinesh5it automatically caches stuff09:54
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Nicd-yeah, hybrid drives show up as one drive09:55
coderuslol, how? in windows its done by drivers, but09:56
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Nicd-the cache is internal to the drive09:56
coderusmy gf have hybrig 16GB ssd + 500GB hdd09:56
Nicd-don't think the OS even sees it09:56
coderusand ssd is visible as sda and hdd as sdb :)09:56
coderusand i installed ubuntu to ssd and hdd as home :)09:57
locusfoh yeah that reminds me, I need a cache drive for my desktop09:57
Nicd-hm, my wife has a hybrid drive on OS X and it just shows up as one device09:57
coderusmaybe different drives, but in my vision it's just done in windows/osx drivers09:58
coderusand under linux it's always two different drives09:58
Nicd-apparently there's two methods: dual-drive (shows up as two drives) and SSHD (shows up as one drive)09:59
Accecoderus: yeah I think it was just that I did not understand how the display of the notification worked and I mixed the notifications with something else09:59
Nicd-and dual-drives that are in the same 2.5" package are apparently much rarer09:59
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coderusAcce: for notification you just choosing category and category respect for led color and sound. you set title, body and icon to notification and publish it.10:05
coderusthats all10:05
Acceyeah, it is quite clear now, thanks10:07
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zbenjaminwhat can i do if i get "ERROR: error during balancing '/' - No space left on device" on a btrfs balance, but have no sdcard avail?10:15
Nicd-try to create more space by deleting files10:16
zbenjaminNicd-: i already removed all my pictures and videos from the phone10:16
zbenjaminNicd-: df -H tells me that i use only 40% of the disk10:17
zbenjaminNicd-: devid    1 size 13.75GiB used 12.75GiB path /dev/mmcblk0p2810:17
zbenjaminalso there should be some space left. I have no idea whats going on. But my android store tells me i have not enough space left to install apps10:17
Nicd-dunno any other advice than to delete more (of course not stuff you don't know you can safely delete). have you read the TJC page?10:18
Nicd-there was some stuff about releasing metadata space too10:18
zbenjaminNicd-:  i wonder where als this space went anyway, I removed all my pic and vids, all there is left is some apps and my contacts and calendar10:20
Nicd-that's btrfs for you10:20
SK_worktouch file10:20
SK_workzbenjamin: touch filetoremove before removing it10:21
SK_workwill remove the metadata associated10:21
zbenjaminSK_work: its too late for that oO10:21
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SK_workhum10:22
zbenjaminthe rootfs has now 5.5G used (as reported by df) i guess i cannot delete much more oO10:26
SK_workhum10:26
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tbrrebalance?10:27
zbenjamintbr: i get "error during balancing '/' - No space left on device"10:27
tbrah10:27
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Nc_Sorry for another stupid question, but where's it defined what files to include in the RPM? have created a folder next to the qml and translations folders, with a file in it, and added it to the project, but it is not being included in the resulting rpm10:34
Nc_Looked into the YAML file, but really seeing it10:35
SK_workNc_: you need to install that file in the .pro files10:37
Nc_it is listed in the .pro file under OTHER_FILES - this happened automatically when added to the project10:38
SK_workNc_: is other_files being installed ?10:39
Nc_everything else is being installed, yes10:40
Nc_hmm, actually the OTHER_FILES segment contains another file that is also not being installed - some autocreated thing called Lightfish_qt.desktop10:42
zbenjaminSK_work: weird, a reboot now makes it possible that i run the rebalance10:43
tbrzbenjamin: maybe some files were held or something freed some metadata10:47
zbenjamintbr: probably, now i run rebalance and increase it by 5 every time10:47
saidinesh5sandsmark: when you are free could you run the benchmarks on your machine?10:48
sandsmarksaidinesh5: yup :D10:48
sandsmarkI probably won't have time this week, though10:48
saidinesh5i have no clue how these words are showing 1600msec10:48
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saidinesh5on my laptop it shows 70msec10:48
saidinesh5oh10:49
sandsmarkI have some homework to do, and hopefully I will release the compostuff I'm working on next weekend10:49
saidinesh5Ahh10:49
saidinesh5sure np, gluck10:49
saidinesh5i didnt know you were in uni :P10:49
sandsmarkwell, I just take a couple of courses :p10:50
sandsmarkI've already finished my master10:50
saidinesh5Ahh10:52
saidinesh5was it worth is?10:52
saidinesh5im still at the cross roads for a masters degree10:52
saidinesh5i have no clue how the benchmarks on the server are off by a factor of 10 O_o10:54
saidinesh5the same words are not crossing 150msec for me........10:54
saidinesh5and they took more than 1second on the server........10:54
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sandsmarksaidinesh5: eeh, I learned a lot, which I enjoy :D11:01
sandsmarkand I got a good job11:01
sandsmarkbut idunno, I know people that didn't get one and still have a good life, or something :p[11:02
sandsmarks/\[//11:02
saidinesh5sandsmark: well tbh it wasnt learning vs. job, its more or less coursera vs. masters :P11:02
sandsmarkwell, I got a good job mostly because of my masters, I think11:02
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saidinesh5hmm i see11:02
saidinesh5damn11:03
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saidinesh5should  have applied to the universities......11:03
saidinesh5Ahhhhhhhhh11:05
saidinesh5probably that stupid server11:05
saidinesh5the servers usually are some kind of shared vms right?11:05
saidinesh5like some other dude's sever can steal my CPU or something right?11:05
saidinesh5now i ran the same tests and the benchmarks are more or less similar to my laptop11:06
saidinesh5albeit its a 1Ghz server11:06
saidinesh5and mine is a haswell 2.some Ghz CPU11:07
Yanielbenchmark on a raspberry pi11:09
saidinesh5actually a good idea11:11
saidinesh5i m  not sure if my pi is still working though11:11
coderusNc_: something.files = folder/file1 folder/file211:11
coderussomethings.path = /usr/share/appname/11:12
coderusINSTALLS += something11:12
Nc_coderus: .pro file?11:12
coderussure11:16
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coderuspatch for adding more network modes: https://openrepos.net/content/coderusofono/patch-more-network-modes12:22
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coderusis there way to set default vendor for packages in sone mb config file? or i should set it in each spec?13:53
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anandrkrisHi tigeli - Am facing issue related to Mobile data getting disabled although i can see 3g signal availability13:58
anandrkrisif / when you're free, am ready to furnish any details required for you13:58
anandrkrishave a workaround for now - Am able to solve it now by restarting n/w or enable / disable flight mode13:59
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anandrkrisre Early RC candidate access - Should i read between lines and imagine that U11 is round the corner ;)14:21
coderusanandrkris: it's already. opt in and check for updates :D14:21
anandrkrisOh! is it mentioned somewhere in that announcement?14:22
coderusno, announcement is not about available rc :D14:23
anandrkrisokies, i have a tendency to miss important stuff while reading :P14:23
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anandrkrisAn aside - this page looks unwieldy (elite word for ugly)14:24
anandrkrishttps://account.jolla.com/oauth/oauth2/clients14:24
anandrkrisCan someone confirm if it's the case for you as well?14:24
coderusanandrkris: confirmed14:24
xfade_anandrkris: yeah, one of these long todo lists ;)14:24
anandrkrishe he...ok...14:25
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xfade_Supply a diff against CSS and it will certainly be fixed sooner ;)14:26
anandrkrisi had learnt html way back in high school...14:26
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anandrkrisbut now no interest / lazy to learn coding :)14:28
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ppthere, checkbox *check*14:44
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anandrkrisre Opt-in updates, saw a comment in TJC, that it should ideally have been device specific selection15:00
sledgesPSA: sailfishos community meeting at #mer-meeting15:00
anandrkrisi think, at least when tablet arrives it will be a large set of users with both devices15:00
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Price15x_Is there anyway to quickly free up ram so that I can run android apps15:51
Price15x_Rebooting takes a lot of time. I even tried closing all the other apps.15:52
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SK_workPrice15x: try restarting the android vm ?15:58
SK_work(install sailfish utilities to do so)15:58
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Price15xwhats the package name I cant find it in zypper search16:03
anandrkrisPrice15x: its in harbour store16:03
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anandrkrisPrice15x: must be sailfish-utilities https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-utilities16:05
Price15xanandrkris: okay Ill try it now16:06
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Price15xDidnt work I restarted android even tried stoping android no use app still crashes16:10
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M4rtinKBTW, I think it would be nice if the store page for opensource Jolla apps pointed to the source code repo16:50
M4rtinKas the easier you make it16:50
M4rtinKthe more contributions you will get :)16:51
anandrkrisHi App developers - If anyone is looking for cool and simple idea - "URL shortener service for clipboard"16:51
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SK_work:D16:53
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chem|stM4rtinK: +116:55
M4rtinKI've been always doing that with modRana BTW16:56
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M4rtinKpointing to the source in the description & in the in-app About page16:57
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Morpog_PC__seems I created a very hot discussed topic on tjc, my email inbox is getting littered :D18:49
Morpog_PC__oh wrong channel18:50
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jaacoppiwhat does TJC mean? Together.Jolla.Com?18:57
Morpog_PC__yep18:57
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raa700tetrajydrocannabinol19:05
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* Nokius back from work and awesome new news :)20:41
* Nokius colleague got his Jolla today the new TOH are awesome 20:44
Stskeeps:)20:44
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faenilNokius, wb :)20:45
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* Nokius need some sleep now 20:51
* Nokius damn look a bit unhappy on the picture :(20:51
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