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| coderus | Patch for disabling glass avatar effect while calling released on OpenRepos: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-disable-glass-avatar | 05:48 |
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| jaacoppi | how is accessibility (for the blind and visually impaired) on sailfish? Are voice recognition and speech synthesizer available? How about ability to switch to a high contrast coloring? | 06:45 |
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| coderus | jaacoppi: just nothing. it's not accessible. | 06:51 |
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| jaacoppi | any guesses how hard work it would be to port them from something already existing in the unix world? | 07:09 |
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| TemeV | just curious, what kind of features blind people use with a smartphone. Messaging of course, but what other? | 07:16 |
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| jaacoppi | http://blindsquare.com/ This is one of them -> GPS navigator + with foursquare integration that is 100% usable without the screen | 07:26 |
| jaacoppi | Then for partially sighted there's using the camera as a magnifying glass or for OCR: 1. point the camera at a text 2. OCR reads the text in the image 3. speech synthesizer reads out the text. Could be used to read price tags in shops or any other text for that matter | 07:28 |
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| jaacoppi | the most basic part is naturally a screen reader that reads aloud what's on the screen so you can read & write messages in the first place | 07:30 |
| jaacoppi | or browse the web, or IRC | 07:31 |
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| TemeV | ok | 07:42 |
| TemeV | I don't see Jolla targeting that marginal audience anytime soon. They still have lot of work to make the phone usable for normal consumers | 07:44 |
| TemeV | marginal audience being blind/partially sighted open source fans :) | 07:45 |
| entil | the browser could (or should, even) be better feature-wise but I don't see why the phone wouldn't be usable for normal customers | 07:45 |
| entil | imo the only downside is that over a year later it might be too expensive in the competition, but that's understandable because jolla's still a startup for all intents and purposes | 07:45 |
| TemeV | for instance, common instant messengers aren't working that well atm | 07:46 |
| entil | myeah ok, I concede on those... we accidentally set up twitter for me over beers but I haven't opened it since :D | 07:47 |
| entil | getting it going was straight-forward enough, all it took was beer and jolla engineers ;) | 07:47 |
| TemeV | twitter works ok, I guess. Facebook chat is unreliable, whatsapp and telegram are android apps and notifications don't work properly | 07:48 |
| entil | (telegram is a hoax, don't use it) | 07:49 |
| entil | but yeah, I have slack for android and at best it beeps | 07:49 |
| TemeV | it's not any worse than whatsapp? | 07:49 |
| entil | skype's similar, receiving a phone call doesn't necessary play a sound, making it hard to figure out it's calling | 07:49 |
| entil | TemeV: you got me there :D wish anyone in the world gave a shit about getting textsecure on the jolla except me ;P | 07:50 |
| entil | I have some code in progress but it's going slow | 07:50 |
| TemeV | At the moment there isn't good IM available | 07:50 |
| Aciid | telegram false prophet 666, did you know that all telegram users get Putin in their contact list so they have a straight connection to Dume | 07:51 |
| entil | essentially because looking at the java implementation and rewriting it in c++ is *boring* and the most feedback is between "meh, whatever" and "let me know when it's done" | 07:51 |
| Yaniel | there is a good irc client though | 07:51 |
| entil | Aciid: it's a question of trust, the same goes for foilchat and cyph | 07:51 |
| entil | in cryptology, guilty until proven innocent is the better approach | 07:52 |
| TemeV | entil: there is c++ implementations of telegram | 07:52 |
| TemeV | I'm running one in my Jolla atm | 07:52 |
| Aciid | entil: IIRC telegram was the one that provided $200k bounty if you break the encryption, not that whatsapp would do the same :^) | 07:52 |
| narchie | whatsapp has great crypto | 07:53 |
| TemeV | Aciid: that competition is a hoax | 07:53 |
| entil | telegram's server is closed-source | 07:53 |
| Aciid | TemeV: /r/conspiracy is that way -> | 07:53 |
| TemeV | narchie: What I hear it's not real end-to-end | 07:53 |
| Aciid | reddittor here | 07:53 |
| TemeV | Aciid: read the blogs about it. With those rules you couldn't break rot13 | 07:53 |
| Yaniel | the laughable part of the telegram docs is "now if both parties trust the server..." | 07:54 |
| narchie | does end to end matter when it's all closed source, just like telegrams servers | 07:54 |
| entil | whatsapp's really closed as well, what's to prevent them from encrypting for their own keys (if at all) if it's not the truest forward-secure implementation? and if it is, for how long will it be? | 07:54 |
| narchie | exactly | 07:54 |
| entil | to each their own, I put my faith in textsecure alone because by and large it seems to be the safest solution | 07:54 |
| TemeV | I see no difference in security of Whatsapp and Telegram | 07:54 |
| Aciid | not using OTR on top of Telegram because its possible | 07:54 |
| Aciid | > 2015 | 07:55 |
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| Aciid | like it works for gaben chat as well | 07:55 |
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| TemeV | And those are the two my friends use, so from those I choose the one that has a desktopclient and the one that has WIP telepathy-plugin | 07:56 |
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| coderus | who to send ambienced backtrace when it's failed to load because of broken image files inside Pictures folder? | 08:01 |
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| coderus | backtrace is here: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10011126/ | 08:21 |
| coderus | Stskeepz: ^ | 08:23 |
| Stskeepz | coderus: O_o on the place it crashes | 08:24 |
| Stskeepz | can i ask you to send the broken image file? | 08:24 |
| Stskeepz | that helps just as much | 08:24 |
| coderus | okay | 08:24 |
| Stskeepz | carsten.munk@jolla.com | 08:25 |
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| coderus | user don't want to share this file, it was personal one. asked abut details, it was just a picture made with default S5 camera. | 08:27 |
| coderus | i'll try to get some other file to share these days | 08:27 |
| Stskeepz | ok | 08:27 |
| ln- | coderus: perhaps the bug could still be reproducible with a few kilobytes from the begin of the file..? | 08:28 |
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| coderus | ln-: probably, but i have no ability to explain it to user :D | 08:29 |
| coderus | private pictures are private | 08:29 |
| coderus | doesnt matter how much of kilobytes :D | 08:29 |
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| AL13N_work | did anyone here about these oneplus things? can these have sailfishos? | 08:56 |
| AL13N_work | *hear | 08:56 |
| Mikaela | cross-posting is usually taken negatively and I guess they can somehow run sailfish as Nexuses can run it too. | 09:00 |
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| Acce | I don't know if anyone is working towards porting SFOS, but I guess they talk about porting at http://forum.xda-developers.com/jolla-sailfish | 09:05 |
| locusf | also #sailfishos-porters | 09:06 |
| locusf | vgrade had some progress with 1+1 | 09:07 |
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| Nc_ | Wasn't there a way in QtCreator to regenerate the SSH keys for connecting to the phone? Pretty sure I found it in the past, but ... | 09:20 |
| coderus | Nc_: just delete and add new device | 09:21 |
| locusf | just remove and readd device? | 09:21 |
| coderus | :D | 09:21 |
| locusf | lol | 09:21 |
| Nc_ | yeah, figured that would work, just ... | 09:21 |
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| * Nc_ shrugs - deleting old device | 09:22 | |
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| zGrr | moin :) | 09:43 |
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| Nc_ | moin | 09:52 |
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| coderus | SK_work: ping | 10:43 |
| SK_work | coderus: pong | 10:43 |
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| coderus | SK_work: story: | 10:43 |
| coderus | patch --dry-run -R -p 1 -d / -i /usr/share/patchmanager/patches/sailfishos-lockscreen-player-patch/unified_diff.patch <- is ok | 10:44 |
| coderus | sudo /usr/sbin/patchmanager -u sailfishos-lockscreen-player-patch <- failed | 10:44 |
| SK_work | coderus: any logs in /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt.log ? | 10:44 |
| SK_work | clean this file, unapply and check logs ? | 10:44 |
| coderus | removed, no such file now :D | 10:45 |
| SK_work | hum ... | 10:46 |
| SK_work | https://github.com/sailfishos-patches/ausmt/blob/master/ausmt/ausmt-remove#L194 < unapply step ... | 10:46 |
| coderus | it's /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt/ausmt.log | 10:46 |
| SK_work | haha | 10:46 |
| SK_work | ok | 10:46 |
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| coderus | Hunk #2 FAILED at 248. | 10:48 |
| coderus | 248 stands for what? | 10:48 |
| coderus | line number of what? | 10:48 |
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| coderus | ah, start offset | 10:48 |
| coderus | 1 out of 3 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/lockscreen/Lockscreen.qml.rej | 10:52 |
| coderus | and no reject file :( | 10:52 |
| sledges | kontio: /topic | 10:53 |
| sledges | are you happy with the current MD5 link? | 10:54 |
| sledges | for now | 10:54 |
| sledges | http://releases.sailfishos.org/sdk/installers/1412/ | 10:54 |
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| kontio | sledges: I guess is ok for the time being thx | 10:55 |
| coderus | SK_work: ? | 10:55 |
| SK_work | coderus: rejected files should be cleaned | 10:55 |
| SK_work | but you can check where your file is rejected | 10:55 |
| SK_work | weired that unapplying your patch by hand works | 10:56 |
| coderus | yeah | 10:56 |
| sledges | kontio: ok, deop me pls:) | 10:56 |
| AL13N_work | sledges: hey! you home yet? | 10:56 |
| SK_work | coderus: sure that your patches are the same ? | 10:56 |
| coderus | SK_work: what are you talking about? | 10:57 |
| SK_work | the unified_diff file | 10:57 |
| SK_work | really weired | 10:57 |
| coderus | it's in patchmanager/patches dir | 10:57 |
| coderus | patch --dry-run -R -p 1 -d / -i /usr/share/patchmanager/patches/sailfishos-lockscreen-player-patch/unified_diff.patch | 10:57 |
| SK_work | hum | 10:57 |
| SK_work | ok | 10:57 |
| coderus | is patchnamager -u handling some different diff? | 10:57 |
| SK_work | coderus ah yeah | 10:58 |
| SK_work | indeed | 10:58 |
| SK_work | check in /var/lib/patchmanager/patches/sailfishos-lockscreen-player-patch | 10:58 |
| kontio | sledges: I don't think I can :) Stskeepz, lbt or Jare? can you deopt sledges? | 10:58 |
| coderus | SK_work: ha | 10:58 |
| coderus | sure then | 10:58 |
| coderus | i updated patch manually | 10:58 |
| coderus | thought everything will be okay | 10:58 |
| sledges | hey AL13N_work ! safe'n'sound thanks:) fosdem was a blast! | 10:59 |
| SK_work | well, if you applied patch via patchmanager, patchmanager do a backup | 10:59 |
| SK_work | and unapply the exact same version you applied so ... | 10:59 |
| SK_work | it's strange | 10:59 |
| coderus | sudo cp /usr/share/patchmanager/patches/sailfishos-lockscreen-player-patch/unified_diff.patch /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt/patches/sailfishos-lockscreen-player-patch/ | 10:59 |
| coderus | worked now | 10:59 |
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| AL13N_work | sledges: i'm soo tired | 11:07 |
| lbt | kontio: sledges should be able to do that himself - not sure what irc command is though | 11:12 |
| sledges | lbt: 00:58 -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You are not authorized to (de)op sledges on #sailfishos. | 11:18 |
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| sledges | /deop worked lmao | 11:19 |
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| lbt | just checking | 11:20 |
| * sledges never used admin irc commands, which is bad in cases of someone trolling | 11:20 | |
| sledges | lbt: im not amongst founders (/msg chanserv info) | 11:20 |
| Mikaela | I don't see anything in ACL which would prevent (de)op | 11:20 |
| sledges | ^ | 11:21 |
| Mikaela | sledges: what you want is /msg chanserv access #sailfishos list | 11:21 |
| Mikaela | and for explaining of flags /msg chanserv help flags | 11:21 |
| sledges | Mikaela: yes so my nickname is not in the list, explains the happening above | 11:22 |
| sledges | thanks for more info | 11:22 |
| Mikaela | oh, I somehow thought you was | 11:22 |
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| DarkSim | Hello again :) | 11:40 |
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| coderus | Jonni: ping, alphanumeric devicelock still not fixed in u11?.. | 12:00 |
| Jonni | coderus: feature is postponed to later time. So numeric lock only for now. | 12:01 |
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| coderus | Jonni: okay | 12:16 |
| DarkSim | Does anyone actually have the Jolla tablet yet? | 12:19 |
| Nicd- | outside jolla employees, no | 12:22 |
| DarkSim | OK :) | 12:24 |
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| saidinesh5 | sandsmark: just a quick update... They will take about 10 more days to return my laptop.... | 12:54 |
| sandsmark | :( | 12:54 |
| sandsmark | lenovo still hasn't shipped my new laptop either | 12:54 |
| saidinesh5 | Oh which one? | 12:54 |
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| saidinesh5 | On the good news side, hopefully by tomorrow our jenkins server with neat reports would be up .. | 12:56 |
| saidinesh5 | I'll probably look at some additional ui fixes and engine improvements after that | 12:57 |
| saidinesh5 | For better or worse that's a 1ghz single core server, so kind of nicely emulates or target devices :p | 12:59 |
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| anandrkris | Hi Folks - Any pointers to whom I can give feedback related to Jolla marketing? | 13:13 |
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| jaacoppi | https://jolla.com/contact/ | 13:30 |
| jaacoppi | I'd say press@jolla.com | 13:30 |
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| anandrkris | thanks :) | 13:32 |
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| anandrkris | Hi - I suppose many of you are crazy selfie takers (using Jolla) here :) | 14:16 |
| SK_work | anandrkris: :D | 14:17 |
| SK_work | not me at least | 14:17 |
| SK_work | but cybette is :P | 14:17 |
| anandrkris | Read a very interesting idea in TJC to switch easily between front and rear camera | 14:17 |
| SK_work | anandrkris: there is a button already | 14:17 |
| anandrkris | ha ha ...at least at FOSDEM she took pics of others :) | 14:17 |
| anandrkris | i know, not quickly accessible | 14:17 |
| anandrkris | https://together.jolla.com/question/65722/easy-switching-front-back-camera-mode/ | 14:18 |
| anandrkris | Either gesture or toggle would help - i haven't used 'Exposure Compensation' once | 14:18 |
| anandrkris | although i I knew what it is, things could be different ;) | 14:19 |
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| coderus | anandrkris: i can make a quick patch in patchmanager for you | 14:48 |
| anandrkris | That would be great! (and many other selfie freaks would <3 it too) | 14:54 |
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| anandrkris | btw, anyone tried Jolla with selfie stick...Does camera support bluetooth capture? | 14:55 |
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| coderus | don't think so | 14:58 |
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| anandrkris | hmm thinking if any Android app can help there | 15:03 |
| coderus | android have no access to bluetooth | 15:04 |
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| anandrkris | Oh ok...shows am yet to explore the device completely | 15:05 |
| coderus | :) | 15:05 |
| anandrkris | any idea if remote camera capture is part of standard protocol? | 15:05 |
| coderus | thinking how to make front camera button | 15:05 |
| anandrkris | * bluetooth | 15:06 |
| coderus | anandrkris: i know none of remote capture protocols | 15:06 |
| coderus | but my poor knowledge is small | 15:06 |
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| anandrkris | maybe it needs Bluetooth LE support...will google about it | 15:08 |
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| anandrkris | you're obviously being humble :) | 15:08 |
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| coderus | SailfishOS patch for exchanging camera device and exposure settings location: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-move-camera-device-settings-front | 15:27 |
| coderus | anandrkris: ^ | 15:27 |
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| anandrkrish | No offense meant, I'm curious if feedback in Harbour of official apps by Jolla is seen by Devs? | 15:32 |
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| anandrkrish | I know we can also post in TJC but nice if ack'ed in Harbor store as well! | 15:37 |
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| SK_work | coderus: you are just so on fire ... | 15:42 |
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| Thaodan | Jolls should hire him^^ | 16:05 |
| Yaniel | guess how many times that has been suggested already :D | 16:06 |
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| * anandrkrish But am afraid we'll see less contribution in openrepos :D | 16:06 | |
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| anandrkrish | coderus: needs reboot after applying patch? | 16:16 |
| anandrkrish | sorry, am a n00b at the moment... | 16:17 |
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| Thaodan | anandrkrish: im not coderus but: just restart the service | 16:18 |
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| anandrkrish | okies | 16:20 |
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| anandrkrish | coderus - working fine but needs two taps at the moment | 16:30 |
| anandrkrish | it could just be made as toggle? | 16:32 |
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| Price15x | Has anyone tried out Hangish the native hangouts client? I want to how reliable is it? | 17:23 |
| Price15x | Will Google block it the similar fashion how WhatsApp blocked out Mitakuuluu? | 17:23 |
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| tbr | Price15x: is that based on hangups? | 17:23 |
| tbr | Price15x: I tried hangups a while ago and it was rather shakey | 17:24 |
| Yaniel | now that is an ominous name for an app | 17:24 |
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| Price15x | yes its based on hangups its available in the warehouse app | 17:24 |
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| Price15x | The only reason I am forced to use it is because if the default messaging gets disconnected then I lose messages. | 17:26 |
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| tbr | that said, I do hope that this grows into a proper telepathy module over time | 17:27 |
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| Price15x | If the api is open and Google keeps it that way, then people will always be able to merge it in their apps. But Google has taken steps away from XMPP so they could destroy all the efforts made by Hangups | 17:31 |
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| tbr | Price15x: well, they want to move at their own pace and thus be free to mess with the API. So, yes, while _probably_ not out of malice, they might break 3rd party clients in the process | 17:53 |
| ryukafalz | tbr: I'm not sure what they couldn't have done with XMPP itself though - it's extensible for a reason :P | 17:54 |
| ryukafalz | Google had a number of custom extensions for Google Talk | 17:54 |
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| tbr | ryukafalz: yes, aware of that. It sounded a lot like a "strategic management decision" | 17:56 |
| ryukafalz | Indeed it did. My suspicion is that Google has certain classes of products that they consider "core" and that they keep closed. The list of those is constantly growing. | 17:56 |
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| ryukafalz | Price15x: FYI the dropped messages problem is something being addressed in Telepathy: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46700 | 18:00 |
| merbot | Freedesktop bug 46700 in gabble "Implement reliable stanza delivery using XEP-0198 - Stream Management" [Enhancement,New] | 18:00 |
| tbr | there is a XEP for that | 18:00 |
| tbr | yes | 18:00 |
| tbr | actually more than one, IIRC | 18:01 |
| ryukafalz | There are a few, yeah | 18:01 |
| ryukafalz | There are basic delivery reports which some clients support | 18:01 |
| ryukafalz | for retrieval of messages sent while a device was online, XEP-0313 | 18:01 |
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| ryukafalz | for syncing of messages between online devices, XEP-0280 | 18:02 |
| ryukafalz | (the latter two aren't supported by telepathy unfortunately =/) | 18:02 |
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| Price15x | ryukafalz: Is google using any of these extensions? if they are using stream management then all we have to do is wait. | 18:04 |
| ryukafalz | Price15x: They are not, they have a custom equivalent that no other clients support, and Google Talk is being phased out in favor of Hangouts which isn't XMPP | 18:05 |
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| ryukafalz | In the future you likely won't be able to connect to GTalk/Hangouts from an XMPP client at all | 18:06 |
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| Price15x | ryukafalz: Then my biggest problem is get all my whatsapp and hangout friends to use xmpp. Not to forget even I dont know how to use it. | 18:07 |
| ryukafalz | It's pretty simple, you just have to sign up for an account on an XMPP server and sign in on your client and in most cases it Just Works™ | 18:08 |
| ryukafalz | Ease of use really depends on the client, for Android there's a really nice one called Conversations | 18:09 |
| coderus | anandrkrish: yes, probably | 18:10 |
| ryukafalz | Price15x: Ah, also want to keep in mind that some servers may not have stream management support - worth looking for one that does | 18:11 |
| tbr | on android I'm partial to yax.im as a client. very active and responsive developers. | 18:12 |
| ryukafalz | Yaxim is great, yes - I hang out in their IRC channel. Conversations development seems to be progressing much faster though. | 18:13 |
| ryukafalz | (It already has archiving support which is supported by almost nothing, and it's been in development for only about a year IIRC) | 18:13 |
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| Price15x | ryukafalz: I am looking for servers with stream management. Hope I can find something reliable | 18:22 |
| ryukafalz | The yaxim developers run one: http://yaxim.org/yax.im/ | 18:23 |
| Price15x | ryukafalz: Much appreciated bookmarking page | 18:26 |
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| coderus | Updated to single click: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-move-camera-device-settings-front | 18:29 |
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| ajalkane | Anyone know about https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-keepalive | 18:50 |
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| coderus | ajalkane: sure, what do you want? | 18:50 |
| ajalkane | the README mentions DisplayBlanking and PeriodicBackgroundProcessing. But for my use case the Heartbeat included in the lib seems more proper. | 18:51 |
| ajalkane | Is the Heartbeat thing somehow not recommended for future proofness? | 18:51 |
| coderus | BackgroundActivity is base wakeup | 18:51 |
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| coderus | but it depends on what you doing :) | 18:52 |
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| ajalkane | coderus: I just need to wake up shortly at specified timeout.. not hold the suspend lock for any extended period | 18:52 |
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| coderus | use heartbeat | 18:53 |
| coderus | libkeepalive is on device | 18:53 |
| coderus | you can use it from cpp | 18:53 |
| coderus | just initiate and start heartbeat and do something on timeout | 18:54 |
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| spiiroin | ajalkane: the heartbeat is just iphb wrapper; practically all the same caveats apply = not meant to be used direcly | 18:59 |
| spiiroin | it does not do keepalive -> your code might accidentally work, but it is not even "presentproof" | 18:59 |
| spiiroin | if you need to wake up & do processing -> use background-activity | 19:01 |
| coderus | spiiroin: so, its backgroundactivity, right? | 19:01 |
| coderus | aha | 19:01 |
| spiiroin | if you have existing sw that uses glib timers -> keepalive-timeout is api compatible | 19:01 |
| spiiroin | the caveats for timeout: it is (atm) slow; and keepalive lasts only until the callback returns | 19:02 |
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| vasile | I can't install the SDK on Debian. I keep getting an error about the MerSDK VirtualBox and SailfishOS Emultoar machines already existing. AFAIK, there is no sailfish anything on this machine at all. Any tips on where to look for an image or an old config file would be appreciated. Thanks. | 19:06 |
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| ajalkane | spiiroin: okay... so basically I need a reliable QTimer-like class. I should use PeriodicBackgroundProcessing to achieve it instead of Heartbeat? | 19:06 |
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| coderus | vasile: VBoxManage list vms | 19:10 |
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| vasile | coderus: Ah, I see the vms. How do I find them in the filesystem? | 19:10 |
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| coderus | vasile: VBoxManage showvminfo $NAME | 19:12 |
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| vasile | coderus: Thanks. I'll use the manager to delete them. | 19:14 |
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| vasile | coderus: Installer is now running. Thanks much for the pointer. | 19:20 |
| coderus | vasile: cool :) | 19:20 |
| Thaodan | I don't get why hangups is no telepathy tube when I want to seperate apps for every chats than I can use Android | 19:21 |
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| ryukafalz | Thaodan: Likely because it's simpler to create a separate app than a Telepathy CM | 19:23 |
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| Thaodan | but this is shit , something that is why I use sailish | 19:24 |
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| Umeaboy | Hi! | 19:25 |
| Umeaboy | Anyone who knows if there's a Sailfish OS rom out for the new Yoga tablet? | 19:25 |
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| kimmoli | (rom? ROM? (as annoying as jphone)) >> https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris or ask #sailfishos-porters | 19:27 |
| * kimmoli apologies... | 19:28 | |
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| coderus | Thaodan: start developing now and stop leaving your shitty shit here. | 19:33 |
| urjaman | i feel the same way :| | 19:33 |
| ajalkane | ah damn... backgroundactivity requires "mceinface.h", which apparently requires compiling mceinface.xml. I'd just like to keep this simple. What can go wrong using the Heartbeat module, giving it the timeout I want when I want to do a small update? | 19:33 |
| coderus | ajalkane: what? install mce-dev headers | 19:33 |
| ajalkane | coderus: aye, that's all? Cool... I'm just a bit worried that I'm including the github sources into my compilation and what happens when they're newer than what's included in SDK's mce-dev headers | 19:34 |
| Thaodan | sorry that I said my opionion, I'll stop doing this | 19:34 |
| coderus | ajalkane: yeah it's just using some dbus names | 19:34 |
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| ajalkane | That's a good hint, thanks... I'll try first doing it like nemo-keepalive does by compiling the .xml file, but if I can't make it work right away I'll try depending on mce-dev | 19:36 |
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| leszek | hi | 19:59 |
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| Nc_ | Trying to run a perl-script as root (owner: root, permissions 4755), but it still fails on the phone with "operation not permitted" - if running it after using devel-su, it works nicely | 20:00 |
| leszek | has something changed in the VideoOutput QML Plugin in the 1.1.x releases in contrast to the 1.0.x releases ? I switched from GstreamerVideoOutput to it for testing purposes and it loads 10 times faster video streams from the web and so on. Or am I just imagening things and before in 1.0.x it was the same ? | 20:01 |
| Nc_ | Is there some difference between root and whatever devel-su sets the user as? | 20:01 |
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| leszek | Nc_: devel-su makes you root. See whoami command after devel-su | 20:02 |
| Nc_ | leszek, ya, but outside of this, I cannot figure out why my script won't run as Nemo, but will run as root | 20:02 |
| leszek | Nc_: can you show me the script ? | 20:03 |
| Nc_ | uhm, sure ... 2 sec | 20:03 |
| Nc_ | http://pastebin.com/qFAnaDfd | 20:05 |
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| tbr | Nc_: in addition to uid/gid, there are capabilities IIRC | 20:05 |
| Nc_ | In the project yaml, I'm using '%attr(4755,root,root) %{_datadir}/%{name}/qml/perl/iwpriv_helper.pl' | 20:05 |
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| leszek | I think its clear iwpriv cannot access wlan0 as normal user | 20:06 |
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| Nc_ | sure - is why I'm trying to have the script be run as root | 20:07 |
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| leszek | Nc_: so where is the problem then? devel-su and then run the script | 20:17 |
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| Nc_ | hmm.... he left before I could point out running devel-su from a distributed app is not really a good approach | 20:21 |
| Never| | heya .. is there any best practice guide for positioning within QML? I keep struggeling with QML Anchors again and again :( | 20:21 |
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| ajalkane | umm..anyone know if there is measurable adverse effects to using Nemo's BackgroundActivity class? | 20:43 |
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| ajalkane | (meaning in battery life. I'm looking at the code and I'm not sure about it) | 20:46 |
| kimmoli | check with powertop ? | 20:46 |
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| ajalkane | kimmoli: I was kind of hoping someone had experrience with this already :) | 20:48 |
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| ajalkane | I mean it uses basic QTimer, which I hear is bad-bad for battery life... But it does do some magic calls to MCE. I just don't understand all the underlying bits enough, so I hoped someone had an idea. Or would using libiphb or Heartbeat be the more battery friendly solution? | 20:52 |
| kimmoli | Qtimer pauses when phone sleeps | 20:53 |
| ajalkane | kimmoli: and that's why I got afraid that those magic calls will prevent the deep-sleep, thus causing battery drainage | 20:53 |
| kimmoli | i have seen 1 sec timer becomes 5 minutes | 20:54 |
| * tbr too | 20:54 | |
| kimmoli | i use wakeupt with libiphb | 20:54 |
| * tbr too | 20:54 | |
| kimmoli | :) | 20:54 |
| ajalkane | Heartbeat from nemo-keepalive seems to be a somewhat friendly wrapper around libiphb | 20:55 |
| tbr | yes, I needed something to call from python, so I wrapped the c call | 20:55 |
| ajalkane | But it was not recommended for some reason. But looking at this BackgroundActivity class I'm a bit worried, maybe unnecessarily. But could use some reassuring that my worries are not justified | 20:56 |
| kimmoli | depends on your goals? | 20:56 |
| ajalkane | My goal is just to wakeup at some point in time, like using QTimer, exact time is not that important, 30s resolution is enough... as long as I don't wake up too soon. And do a small quick operation and go back to sleep | 20:57 |
| kimmoli | hb then | 20:57 |
| kimmoli | i would say | 20:57 |
| ajalkane | I guess I will go forward with HB unless someone shouts it's a stupid idea. | 20:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | ajalkane: theres nothing wrong with nemo keepalive | 21:01 |
| ajalkane | r0kk3rz: all the classes I'm talking about are from nemo-keepalive. There's three classes. Hearbeat is not documented in the README, but looking at sources I became suspicious about BackgroundActivity class | 21:03 |
| ajalkane | Heartbeat class at least seemed straightforward, although looking at it I wasn't sure if there's some magic numbers for the wait times I should use to align with system events. Ie. like there are in BackgroundActivity class (30s, 60s etc...) | 21:04 |
| * ajalkane is getting all paranoid with this deep-sleep thing | 21:05 | |
| kimmoli | :) | 21:05 |
| r0kk3rz | dont get too paranoid | 21:05 |
| kimmoli | i don't want to look at nemokeepalive stuff, i have my own working iphb solution | 21:05 |
| ajalkane | kimmoli: maybe you know then, is iphb croggy with the parameters? Or is it battery efficient no matter what high/low values you pass to the wakeup? | 21:06 |
| kimmoli | efficient (afaik) is to use those predefined. just dont use 0 | 21:07 |
| ajalkane | Meaning if you tell it to wake up in 10 minutes time, you don't manually have to align it to the system wakup slots? | 21:07 |
| kimmoli | no | 21:07 |
| ajalkane | kimmoli: iphb doesn't have any predefined slots as far as I browsed, or does it? | 21:07 |
| kimmoli | i mean use those that were predefined in backgroundActivity | 21:08 |
| ajalkane | ok | 21:08 |
| ajalkane | sounds good enough for me, thank you! | 21:09 |
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| kimmoli | seems i use 25-35 in toholed | 21:10 |
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| ajalkane | kimmoli: do you have any data what's the range it triggers in? Like earliest 25 and latest 55 for example? | 21:11 |
| kimmoli | i did monitor that once, but dont remember what was the outcome | 21:12 |
| ajalkane | ok. I will try with Nemo's Heartbeat since that seems relatively simple wrapper around iphb with Qt interface. I'll see then. | 21:13 |
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| ryukafalz | Hmm... so I'm trying to port an existing application to Sailfish and I keep getting this error trying to run SailfishApp::main: | 22:21 |
| ryukafalz | /home/mersdk/share/sources/ricochet/src/main.cpp:95: undefined reference to `SailfishApp::main(int&, char**)' | 22:21 |
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| ryukafalz | I have included <sailfishapp.h> and set CONFIG += sailfishapp in my .pro | 22:23 |
| ryukafalz | Is there something obvious I'm missing? | 22:24 |
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| Acce | as of now, is it possible to make custom layout for a system notification? | 23:02 |
| Acce | ie. is it possible to create custom notification categories? | 23:03 |
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| Acce | and are the app devs generally expected to only use the categories that come with lipstick? | 23:04 |
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