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| ikarus | heh, it's funny to see it as dead as it is here thanks to FOSDEM | 13:31 |
| ikarus | not that I could attend myself, but hey | 13:31 |
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| BearT1 | but the internet at fosdem is relatively stable, so one could attend and chat (at least in those talks that are not as thrilling as expected *G*) | 13:36 |
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| julienrbt | hi | 13:47 |
| julienrbt | I've recently installed the new version of SailfishOS, but now the mp3 doesn't works, I've follow the instruction, installed the app for OpenRepos and installed Ultimate Codec Support but after a reboot (and before), the mp3 still doesn't works | 13:47 |
| julienrbt | (for the N4) | 13:47 |
| julienrbt | Do you know why? | 13:47 |
| julienrbt | Should I convert all my music to ogg? | 13:47 |
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| giucam | what app did you install? mp3s should just work | 13:59 |
| julienrbt | I've installed Ultimate Codec Support and gst-plugins-*.. but I'm not on a Jolla | 14:00 |
| julienrbt | also, other problem, each reboot my mms config is "reset".. | 14:01 |
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| artemma | Hi All | 14:28 |
| Stskeepz | moo | 14:28 |
| artemma | Do you know where the silica docs were moved after recent site redesign? | 14:28 |
| artemma | can't find them anymore, there's no search on the site and google doesn't help | 14:28 |
| Stskeepz | we're putting them back up soon i think | 14:28 |
| Stskeepz | it's in the sdk still afaik | 14:28 |
| artemma | ah, so they are no more.. | 14:28 |
| artemma | oh well.. ok | 14:29 |
| artemma | thx | 14:29 |
| * artemma doesn't like SDK help - can't have both editor and help open at the same time | 14:29 | |
| TemeV | https://web.archive.org/web/20140809014722/https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-silica-introduction.html | 14:31 |
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| TemeV | artemma: ^ | 14:31 |
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| julienrbt | mmh, I'm converting my music but an idea for my problem? | 14:37 |
| julienrbt | mp4 works well but no mp3 | 14:38 |
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| * artemma is checking together and it seems there's no item for in-app purchases only a generic "paid apps". Maybe I should add one | 14:42 | |
| artemma | in fact after being in app market for a while, in-app purchases even without paid apps could be way more useful than just paid apps | 14:43 |
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| Jare | artemma: how about http://qt-project.org/doc/qtcreator-3.1/creator-help.html#detaching-the-help-window | 14:51 |
| r0kk3rz | artemma: apps can do their own in-app purchases | 14:51 |
| r0kk3rz | but theres no central infrastructure for payments of any kind | 14:52 |
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| NC__ | r0kk3rz, are there any recommended/known-good APIs/providers of in-app purchase solutions? | 14:52 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont think that theres anything you can easily plug into, as all major platforms do their own thing | 14:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | but im sure you could use webviews to use things like paypal and other online payment processors | 14:54 |
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| artemma | Jare: thanks, it helps! | 14:54 |
| NC__ | r0kk3rz, yeah ... was looking at some various solutions, and all seemed tied to Android :) | 14:54 |
| NC__ | even ended up writing my own Google Analytics lib in Javascript for the same reason | 14:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | the existing js lib doesnt work? | 14:55 |
| artemma | r0kk3rz: I would be seriously worried about Jolla company sanity if they start encouraging 3rd party payment solutions in your own app as a main stream. That's SO bad topic, it's scary that somebody even talks about it seriously | 14:55 |
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| artemma | especially after claims for caring about privacy, security and ecommerce | 14:56 |
| * artemma doesn't even want to think about leaking credit card numbers from "simple" qml pages, unsecure web pages by people not used to deal with payments and all the other creatures in this can of worms | 14:57 | |
| NC__ | r0kk3rz, the Analytics js-lib from Google uses some webpage specific stuff | 14:57 |
| r0kk3rz | NC__: ah ok, i was just thinking that qml has JS engine | 14:57 |
| NC__ | yeah, but it is "missing" stuff that you'd find in a web browser :) | 14:58 |
| r0kk3rz | artemma: you make a fair point, but aside from banning apps from harbour, theres nothing to stop such a thing from occuring | 14:58 |
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| r0kk3rz | considering that its already bad enough that openrepos is mainstream, from a security/privacy perspective | 14:59 |
| artemma | NC__: Sometime ago I've written Mixpanel module for QML. Not too optimized (e.g. doesn't check if internet is on already, doesn't buffer), but works every day in Wikipedia app https://github.com/amarchen/Mixpanel-qml | 14:59 |
| artemma | r0kk3rz: Have you possible heard of payment solutions in operating systems such as iOS, Android, BB10 or maybe about ovi store? :) | 15:00 |
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| NC__ | artemma, nice - will have a look | 15:00 |
| artemma | the trick is always the same: provide a single built-in very well known and recognizable by user payment point in the system. And bit hard the developers who dare to think of something else | 15:00 |
| NC__ | Am using Google Analytics, since I've used that elsewhere as well | 15:00 |
| artemma | bite* hard | 15:00 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, but there have been bad players on all major platforms, targetting childrens games as such | 15:01 |
| r0kk3rz | i dont know of any examples, but there are a lot of apps out there | 15:02 |
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| r0kk3rz | but im sure Jolla is working towards both paid apps and in-app purchasing | 15:02 |
| r0kk3rz | technically you can have one without the other, but its easy enough to provide both once you have one | 15:03 |
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| r0kk3rz | but i would suspect that the major hold-up is os level security on sailfish | 15:04 |
| ikarus | Setting up the legal structure to handle payments alone is mind boggling | 15:04 |
| ikarus | the API and such is a minor inconvenience by comparison | 15:04 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah exactly | 15:04 |
| ikarus | NC__: and the fact that you are using Google Analytics is why I was writing a wrapper library for QML network access, if I wanted the same spyware mess as Android has..... | 15:05 |
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| ikarus | Not a big fan of that even if I do realise it has valid uses | 15:06 |
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| NC__ | ikarus, sorry, not sure what you mean | 15:07 |
| r0kk3rz | would be nice if there was an alternative open source based analytics type thing | 15:07 |
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| r0kk3rz | rather than being a major money maker for google | 15:07 |
| ikarus | NC__: Google Analytics is a privacy risk, a pretty huge one even | 15:08 |
| fireglow | r0kk3rz: piwik | 15:08 |
| NC__ | ikarus, sure, if you use the official SDKs, and aren't anonymizing stuff (and even then, you cannot really hide IPs) | 15:08 |
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| ikarus | NC__: so don't send that data ?, I mean seriously, it's still a privacy issue even if it wasn't Google, any form of analytics should be opt-in and 100% under control of the developer | 15:09 |
| ikarus | I know why it's tempting to do, but that doesn't make it right | 15:09 |
| r0kk3rz | the 'right' thing to do is to write analytics that honour the 'do not track me' header | 15:10 |
| NC__ | Making analytics opt-in for developers, yes - but if you're concerned about privacy, it has to be opt-in for the end-users | 15:10 |
| r0kk3rz | its not opt-in, but at least you can opt-out | 15:10 |
| NC__ | r0kk3rz, small headache: no "do not track" on native apps :) | 15:11 |
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| ikarus | also, sending the data at all, even if you tell "do not track", is still a privacy issue | 15:12 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah i guess | 15:12 |
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| ikarus | "do not track" is a request, not a legally enforceable thing, especially not as there is no legal definition on when something is trackable in big data sets | 15:13 |
| ikarus | (I've done a few papers on these subjects) | 15:13 |
| NC__ | I think I made mine fairly sane - no sharing tracking-ID between apps, no way to relate tracking-ID back to hardware or user | 15:13 |
| ikarus | And that is still in violations of ethics in my opinion 1) you are sending data about my usage patterns out (at all) 2) you are sending them to a third party 3) you are sending them out without informed consent, given that you don't need a tracking ID to do correlation on datasets (and if they contain enough detail, this will lead back to the user anyway) | 15:16 |
| artemma | opt-in analytics is good for privacy but kills half of the [good] reasons for having analytics in the first place. E.g. your AB-testing will be carried out over a group of heavily biaed users | 15:16 |
| ikarus | artemma: yup, so you are fucked unless you pay people for testing, not my problem | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | well from a UX perspective, either you have massive EULA style things for every app, which only trains people to click 'yes' | 15:17 |
| artemma | AB-testing is heavily different from testing | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | or you have an opt-in "please track me" option in the settings | 15:17 |
| r0kk3rz | which nobody will select | 15:17 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: exactly, which just goes to show why you just shouldn't bother | 15:18 |
| ikarus | to have tracking at all that is | 15:18 |
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| * artemma wonders if there could be a possibility for a platform-centric AB-testing support. So that Jolla would tell developer indirectly that people who tend to use a Giant Character in the game seem to fail going through level 2 | 15:18 | |
| ikarus | because it is just an ethics punji pit | 15:18 |
| r0kk3rz | for numbers oriented MBA types, thats a non-starter | 15:18 |
| artemma | though then you would just give the data to Jolla instead of a dev | 15:18 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: then clearly they need to go back to uni and redo their ethics courses | 15:19 |
| NC__ | Would argue that if people don't want to be tracked in any ways, they shouldn't use modern systems - tracking is a fact of (technology-)life | 15:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | ethics and business usually dont make for very good bed fellows | 15:19 |
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| r0kk3rz | when they agree its great, up until the point they dont and then business wins | 15:20 |
| ikarus | NC__: or they should, you know, be able to trust people not to track them | 15:20 |
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| NC__ | in a perfect world, yes | 15:20 |
| NC__ | let me know when you find one | 15:21 |
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| r0kk3rz | ^^ | 15:22 |
| ikarus | NC__: well, these cases can easily be legislated | 15:23 |
| ikarus | the annoying part is that such a law will just as happily be ignored by said MBAs | 15:23 |
| ikarus | or something like TTIP will fuck it up | 15:23 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah, then we will get more warnings like the ones on british websites | 15:23 |
| r0kk3rz | that do the whole "BTW we use cookies, you'know, like everyone else" thing | 15:24 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: actually Dutch court ruled that they have to provide selective opt-outs for those | 15:24 |
| ikarus | so a website that uses cookies has to allow you to only allow functional cookies served from their own sites | 15:24 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting | 15:25 |
| NC__ | ikarus, I'd like to know your definition of "easily legislated" - you'll have privacy advocates on one side, versus monied interests :) | 15:25 |
| r0kk3rz | if almost impossible to enforce | 15:25 |
| Nicd- | the cookie laws are completely retarded | 15:25 |
| Nicd- | I hate having stupid cookie banners on every frigging site | 15:25 |
| Yaniel | cookie banners - the new ads | 15:25 |
| r0kk3rz | yes well, we need to pay for our privacy with convenience | 15:26 |
| ikarus | Nicd-: well, websites at least initially where implementing it to be as annoying as possible, hoping that the legislation got revoked | 15:26 |
| r0kk3rz | if we do not pay willingly, then maybe we dont value privacy highly enough | 15:26 |
| Nicd- | r0kk3rz: but it does nothing for my privacy | 15:26 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: thing is, I don't gain any convenience from these systems in practice and I can in quite a few cases, not choose not to use the convenience | 15:26 |
| Nicd- | it's just a "you don't say?!" moment every time I visit a new site | 15:26 |
| r0kk3rz | well the whole idea is to warn people about tracking cookies | 15:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | perhaps it doesnt do a good enough job, or go far enough | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | the thing is, every site has tracking cookies | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | I don't need them to remind me | 15:27 |
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| r0kk3rz | but its about the 'informed consent' we're discussing | 15:28 |
| Nicd- | and they don't sya "we're gonna use these to track you to serve you ads", they say "we're gonna use these so the whole site works at all" | 15:28 |
| r0kk3rz | thats easy for you to say, not everyone is tech savvy enough to know how websites work | 15:28 |
| Nicd- | I don't think that helps _anyone_ | 15:28 |
| r0kk3rz | or why bakery products on websites are bad | 15:28 |
| ikarus | Nicd-: and that is what that Dutch judgement put a stop to | 15:28 |
| r0kk3rz | and ikarus, its not about gaining convenience, its about giving it up for greater privacy | 15:30 |
| r0kk3rz | something a great many people seem unwilling to do | 15:30 |
| * artemma has created an in-app purchases item in Together. Go comment and vote! Or unvite if against https://together.jolla.com/question/79388/in-app-purchases/ | 15:31 | |
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| Nicd- | artemma: I think we totally need in-app purchases (and before that paid apps in general) to attract devs | 15:32 |
| Nicd- | even though I don't like them myself | 15:32 |
| NC__ | ^ | 15:32 |
| artemma | Nicd-: then go vote, tweet and ask for retweets :) | 15:33 |
| artemma | or maybe even blog about it | 15:33 |
| Nicd- | artemma: I did vote up :) | 15:33 |
| artemma | ideally find an agent at FOSDEM to have a talk about it :) | 15:33 |
| artemma | Nicd-: thanks! | 15:33 |
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| Nicd- | I'm at home, not FOSDEM :P | 15:35 |
| Nicd- | gonna try to finish my new simple app for Sailfish today. sadly not yet gonna be harbour approved (QtPositioning) | 15:36 |
| r0kk3rz | "Promise to bite hard, rape and kill developers" | 15:37 |
| r0kk3rz | woah dude | 15:37 |
| r0kk3rz | no need to go medieval here | 15:37 |
| * artemma likes medieval style, but we can be more modern indeed. When was guillotine invented again? | 15:38 | |
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| * artemma feels kind'a stupid. Doing a new app related to ambiences (hence all these questions) and spent several evenings basically rewriting Daily Ambience functionality. Should have just started from that app code | 15:39 | |
| artemma | Nicd-: what's your app about? Is it even possible for Harbour to approve positioning-involving apps already? | 15:39 |
| Nicd- | artemma: QtPositioning is not allowed yet. and the app is a simple GPS speedometer that I need myself and haven't found for SFOS yet. just something to keep me occupied :) | 15:40 |
| Nicd- | it was a real bummer to find out it's not allowed even though we got Qt 5.2 :/ | 15:40 |
| artemma | Hmm, me wonders if some developer collaboration for bigger and more cool apps, possibly involving server parts could be possible | 15:42 |
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| Nicd- | well, if someone wants to help with my weechat app I'd be delighted :) | 15:42 |
| r0kk3rz | Nicd-: theres something about an ominous 'third-party' holding that one up | 15:42 |
| Nicd- | I really don't have a lot of time and picking up development on such a big app is difficult after a while | 15:42 |
| artemma | Nicd-: I am not saying I'd be much into it before at least a carrot-based biz model is possible :) | 15:43 |
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| artemma | but here are lots of idealistic open source devs me thinks, right? | 15:43 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe not lots, but without payments and such the non-open-source devs are busy making android apps | 15:44 |
| ikarus | artemma: hey, I might be strong on the ethics, but I am not one that has a problem with paid for apps :) | 15:44 |
| artemma | ikarus: I don | 15:45 |
| ikarus | otoh, I only bought two apps ever and that was over content and not the app itself (being games) | 15:45 |
| r0kk3rz | ikarus: in fact the most ethical way forward is with more payments, not less | 15:45 |
| artemma | ikarus: I don't think anybody is against paid apps or in-app purchases, it's just very sad that it's completely out of priorities | 15:45 |
| Nicd- | well, I paid for Mitakuuluu and still think it was worth it | 15:45 |
| r0kk3rz | rather than going through backdoor tracking/advertising to give stuff away for 'free' | 15:45 |
| Nicd- | even though it's now dead | 15:45 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: if the trade off is ads and tracking, yes :) | 15:45 |
| artemma | maybe new chaiman strategy blog changes something, but before it paid stuff isn't even mentioned in any jolla-related meetings | 15:46 |
| ikarus | Anyway, the legal issues with handling payments is a nightmare | 15:46 |
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| ikarus | so I am not entirely certain it will happen any time soon | 15:46 |
| NC__ | artemma, sorry to ask, but ambiences? | 15:46 |
| r0kk3rz | i do think that OS security is a big holdup. given the amount of 'leaks' that major companies have gone through | 15:47 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: it's a big holdup, but I am not sure if Jolla is currently big enough for the legal issues more | 15:47 |
| artemma | to my memory paid apps in 2014, is actually the only promise actually broken by Jolla (that was a promise, not just intention, right?) and nobody cares. It's just not a part of Jolla culture to care about 3rd party money me thinks | 15:47 |
| r0kk3rz | if your main PR stance is that of privacy and security, then having a big CC leak would be enough to kill jolla | 15:47 |
| artemma | NC__: ? | 15:47 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: I'd doubt that Jolla would allow people to enter CC numbers directly into random apps at any point | 15:48 |
| r0kk3rz | well no | 15:48 |
| NC__ | artemma, you wrote "artemma feels kind'a stupid. Doing a new app related to ambiences (hence all these questions) and spent several evenings basically rewriting Daily Ambience functionality." | 15:48 |
| artemma | ikarus: they already allow it right now, aren't they? ;) | 15:48 |
| NC__ | Am curious what you're referring to :) | 15:48 |
| r0kk3rz | but they have to enter it in somewhere | 15:48 |
| ikarus | artemma: not their payment issue, not their problem | 15:48 |
| r0kk3rz | otherwise how do you pay? | 15:48 |
| r0kk3rz | bitcoin? | 15:48 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: sure, but that can be a website, or a dedicated app | 15:48 |
| artemma | oh wait, is paypal-looking webpage somehow makes it good? :) | 15:48 |
| ikarus | well, I'd never use a CC myself for it, but that is because I don't even have one and local payment systems work much nicer | 15:49 |
| artemma | NC__: Sorry I don't get the question | 15:49 |
| NC__ | Can I PM you, to avoid spamming the channel ? | 15:49 |
| artemma | NC__: not sure :) My laptop is in maintenance, so I am using webchat on a temporary laptop | 15:50 |
| ikarus | But that reminds me, I should setup a Paypal for donations again and read up on the legalese of those with Paypal, as they made it rather convulted as there is technically no product delivered | 15:50 |
| artemma | don't know if it supports PMs | 15:50 |
| NC__ | I'll try .. 2 sec | 15:50 |
| ikarus | perhaps I should make it a technical purchase for a picture of fluffy kittens to avoid that issue :p | 15:51 |
| r0kk3rz | not only that, you need to provide non-profit status for 'donations' | 15:52 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: that is impossible under local law | 15:53 |
| ikarus | there is no such legal status | 15:53 |
| r0kk3rz | your local laws may be different | 15:53 |
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| ikarus | you can be non-profit for a given tax year, but that is post-facto | 15:53 |
| ikarus | (which yes, can make stuff fun) | 15:53 |
| r0kk3rz | whether paypal lets you do that from (i assume nederlands?), i dont know | 15:54 |
| ikarus | r0kk3rz: I'd presume so, pretty big country after all | 15:54 |
| ikarus | and I can start a foundation to legally handle it if I have to for just filing costs | 15:55 |
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| DarkSim | Hello! I'm really tempted to buy the Jolla Tablet, I'm not sure whether or not to... | 16:18 |
| NC__ | buy it :) | 16:18 |
| DarkSim | Also I have never used a Sailfish device | 16:18 |
| DarkSim | How much of a computer in tablet form is it? | 16:18 |
| DarkSim | In comparison to stuff like iPad and Android tablets? | 16:19 |
| DarkSim | Which are mostly large smartphones | 16:19 |
| NC__ | wow, thats a question that could have one seriously big answer I suspect :) | 16:20 |
| Tegu | if you're unsure, I guess it's better not to preorder | 16:20 |
| DarkSim | If you compare a Sailfish phone to a Android phone then? | 16:20 |
| Yaniel | to the previous question I'd say "way more" | 16:21 |
| DarkSim | What kind of things can you do with it that Android/iOS devices can't? | 16:22 |
| DarkSim | Any good examples? :) | 16:22 |
| DarkSim | Sorry if I'm being annoying | 16:22 |
| Yaniel | it's basically a full-blown linux computer with a touchscreen | 16:23 |
| Yaniel | and you don't need to root/jailbreak it to get a terminal | 16:23 |
| DarkSim | Does it require those advanced Linux specific skills to do most things? | 16:24 |
| Yaniel | what are your "most things"? | 16:24 |
| Yaniel | as far asmy usage goes... yes | 16:24 |
| DarkSim | Install apps, move files, transfer files | 16:24 |
| Yaniel | but my usage is rather nonstandard | 16:24 |
| Mikaela | no | 16:24 |
| Mikaela | you can use it well without ever even going to terminal | 16:25 |
| DarkSim | Since I'm not that used to stuff like SSH and Telnet | 16:25 |
| NC__ | I'd say most all end-user activities on sailfish devices are as easy as on iOS/Android devices - no Linux-skilzz required | 16:25 |
| Mikaela | SSHd is disabled by default as far as I am aware and Telnet is insecure and shouldn't be used | 16:25 |
| Yaniel | yep | 16:26 |
| DarkSim | I am actually using Linux on my desktop computer right now so it sounds tempting to get a bit more... Coherence | 16:26 |
| Yaniel | but ssh is available when you enable developer mode | 16:26 |
| DarkSim | But I am not a power user by any means | 16:26 |
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| DarkSim | I only use terminal for installing packages and simple settings mostly :) | 16:27 |
| Mikaela | depending on which distribution you are running on your desktop, Sailfish is as or more simple | 16:27 |
| DarkSim | I hope the Tablet will have good battery life | 16:27 |
| NC__ | DarkSim, if the idea of Linux on your phone/tablet appeals to you, go for it - just remember that UIs on mobile devices are optimised for that platform, and will differ from Desktop UIs (same with OSX-vs-iOS, Windows-vs-WinMobile) | 16:28 |
| jaacoppi | does the sailfish roadmap include being "simplified" or "geeky"? | 16:28 |
| DarkSim | That is what I am expecting | 16:28 |
| DarkSim | I just hope that my user experience as a kind of regular person isn't hindered by my knowledge :) | 16:29 |
| DarkSim | In comparison to what I can do with a tablet of another kind | 16:29 |
| Yaniel | one thing though | 16:30 |
| Yaniel | don't expect it to be finished/ready | 16:30 |
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| DarkSim | Not stable, got it! | 16:30 |
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| Mikaela | together.jolla.com an give some kind of idea about that | 16:31 |
| Yaniel | bugs happen, things don't work as would be nice | 16:31 |
| Yaniel | if you are fine with that for now, go for it | 16:31 |
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| DarkSim | Hmmm... I'll have to think about it | 16:33 |
| DarkSim | No idea how fast development is progressing either | 16:33 |
| DarkSim | Or at least bug-squashing | 16:34 |
| DarkSim | But thank you so very much for answering my silly questions | 16:34 |
| NC__ | There are no bad questions, only bad answers ... | 16:34 |
| * NC__ coughs gently | 16:34 | |
| DarkSim | I'm on my 11 day work streak, only just passed the middle mark | 16:35 |
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| DarkSim | My brain is mush, anyway. Cya! :D | 16:36 |
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| r0kk3rz | i would expect the tablet to be a little more stable | 16:47 |
| r0kk3rz | mainly due to less connectivity options | 16:47 |
| r0kk3rz | a lot of the things that are slightly unstable are ofono/connman type things still | 16:48 |
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| NC__ | r0kk3rz, would hope that SailfishOS also progressed a bit by the time the tablet is released | 16:51 |
| r0kk3rz | of course | 16:52 |
| r0kk3rz | but i expect a lot of the effort is going to go into new features | 16:52 |
| r0kk3rz | which will maybe make things more unstable, not less | 16:53 |
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| NC__ | :) | 16:58 |
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| NC__ | Am reading some things on Together, that says to do a certain thing, call "dconf read /bla/blu" - is there a better way to do this when using QML, or optionally C++/QT5 ? | 17:05 |
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| r0kk3rz | what are you trying to do? | 17:12 |
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| coderus | hm, native WeatherBanner component disabled from u10 eventview? Finally wanted to make patch but now it's not here :D | 17:35 |
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| NC__ | r0kk3rz, sorry, didn't see your response, had to go read french | 17:53 |
| NC__ | am trying to read Ambience-settings from dconf, from within app | 17:53 |
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| r0kk3rz | NC__: oh right, dont think i can help with that, i thought you were doing something else | 17:54 |
| NC__ | :) | 17:54 |
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| NC__ | r0kk3rz, no worry - there's still a pile of stuff for me to figure out and understand, not expecting that people will have ready answers to everything ;) | 17:57 |
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| r0kk3rz | NC__: not always, but we do help dig into things and figure stuff out | 17:58 |
| NC__ | hmm... where is the IRC-equivalent of a thumbs-up emoji :) | 17:58 |
| meklu|fdf | you could do (y), but it looks silly | 18:00 |
| meklu|fdf | emojis are of the devil D: | 18:00 |
| coderus | NC__: there is org.nemomobile.configuration wirking with dconf | 18:01 |
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| coderus | NC__: in C++ it's mlite5/MGConfItem | 18:02 |
| NC__ | coderus, sorry, you lost me | 18:02 |
| NC__ | I know that the dconf call would be e.g. "dconf read /desktop/jolla/theme/color/primary" | 18:03 |
| NC__ | what I'm looking to understand is how to best do this in-app | 18:03 |
| r0kk3rz | you cant just use the theme qml bindings? | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | or are you trying to do something more complicated | 18:07 |
| NC__ | didn't see anything theme-related in qml - perhaps I missed something | 18:07 |
| NC__ | all I'm trying to do is read the current theme-settings | 18:08 |
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| artemma | Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: qmltest | 18:09 |
| artemma | Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: qmltest | 18:09 |
| artemma | Somehow my .yaml manages to download it for i486, but not for arm :/ | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | NC__: in qml, Theme.primaryColor, Theme.secondaryColor will get you colors | 18:10 |
| artemma | Is the following enough: Requires: - qt5-qtdeclarative-import-qttest | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | theres also bindings in there for fonts, highlight colors .etc | 18:10 |
| NC__ | r0kk3rz, cheers, that should do it - will have to re-read the documentation I guess | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah would be smart to become familiar with the silica stuff | 18:11 |
| r0kk3rz | presuming you're making silica app | 18:11 |
| NC__ | well, partly silica - hoping that I'll be able to make it fairly trivially portable | 18:12 |
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| artemma | ah, that;s build time dependency. Never mind. Qt5QuickTest for build time did it | 18:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | NC__: most of the silica stuff extends the normal qtquick stuff, so its pretty easy to port tbh | 18:15 |
| NC__ | figured as much | 18:15 |
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| Thaodan | is there an example of how using qml dbus? | 18:30 |
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| coderus | Thaodan: http://nemo-qml-plugin-dbus.readthedocs.org/en/latest/ | 18:40 |
| Thaodan | ok is there a away to test a qml file in qtcreator or alike? | 18:41 |
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| NC__ | coders, I think you just saved me a headache with that link - thanks :) | 18:44 |
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| coderus | Thaodan: test what? | 18:57 |
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| Thaodan | running the qml page by the qml interpreter | 18:57 |
| coderus | Thaodan: only using emulator | 18:58 |
| coderus | or you can compile nemomobile-configuration for desktop | 18:58 |
| coderus | it's fully working in ubuntu | 18:58 |
| coderus | ah, dbus, you can compile dbus also | 18:59 |
| coderus | and test it with desktop qtc | 18:59 |
| Thaodan | ok their a guide how to it , I mean install etc? | 18:59 |
| coderus | as usual, put it to /usr/lib/qt5/qml | 19:01 |
| Thaodan | i just want an qml interpreter that checks my code like plasma-remote-helper for KDE | 19:01 |
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| coderus | qtc checks code for me | 19:09 |
| coderus | for you it don? | 19:09 |
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| coderus | dont* | 19:10 |
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| Thaodan | currently I'm using emacs to edit qml files | 19:18 |
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| coderus | who cares? :D | 19:32 |
| Thaodan | hm none , i should use qtcreator | 19:34 |
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| coderus | yeah :) | 19:37 |
| coderus | or just learn to write qml code with no mistakes in any notepad :) | 19:37 |
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| locusf | I'd like to see a editor which shows the qml live in the device | 19:38 |
| locusf | no matter which app | 19:38 |
| r0kk3rz | locusf: that would be nice | 19:38 |
| locusf | there is one in glacier component gallery | 19:39 |
| locusf | but its a little terse | 19:39 |
| coderus | locusf: i dont understand what you mean | 19:40 |
| coderus | like qmlscene? | 19:40 |
| locusf | I guess qmlscene could work too | 19:40 |
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| coderus | dconf write /desktop/jolla/background/portrait/app_picture_filename $(dconf read /desktop/jolla/background/portrait/home_picture_filename) | 19:45 |
| coderus | have fun | 19:45 |
| locusf | is qmlscene live? | 19:46 |
| coderus | locusf: no, just reload qmlscene by filesystemwatcher trigger :) | 19:47 |
| locusf | coderus: ok this is also semilive: https://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/master/examples/touch/content/LiveCoding.qml | 19:49 |
| locusf | quite simple really | 19:49 |
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| meklu|fdf | coderus: not space safe :( | 20:16 |
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| HBP_ | crap, my jolla keeps crashing and rebooting if I try to use qlmost any android app | 21:17 |
| Yaniel | clean battery contacts and apply paper fix | 21:17 |
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| HBP_ | Yaniel: what's that? | 21:24 |
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| HBP_ | well let's see | 21:27 |
| HBP_ | amazing :) | 21:27 |
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| Yaniel | the battery contacts are known to be a bit problematic | 21:30 |
| HBP_ | ok | 21:30 |
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| Stskeepz | /g #jollamobile | 21:41 |
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| Nicd- | how can I dynamically add stuff to a ContextMenu (in a ComboBox)? | 21:44 |
| Acce | use a repeater and append to the model? | 21:45 |
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| Acce | something like this: https://github.com/Acce0ss/advcompogallery-sailfish/blob/master/qml/pages/NotificationsPage.qml#L156 | 21:47 |
| Nicd- | ah, great idea! | 21:47 |
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