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| Armadillo | How to place a ListView in a Column with other components? | 08:52 |
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| SK_work | Armadillo: what do you mean ? | 09:09 |
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| daitheflu | Armadillo: are you still looking at making an horizontal scrolling label ? | 09:49 |
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| King_DuckZ | so, is the support for paid apps in the jolla store going to be live anytime? I thought it was due for October this year | 10:25 |
| coderus | Armadillo: use Repeater instead of ListView | 10:26 |
| coderus | or set ListView interactive: false height: contentHeight | 10:26 |
| Acce | King_DuckZ: https://together.jolla.com/question/68125/official-announcement-current-status-of-update10/#post-id-68295 | 10:29 |
| Acce | in a comment by bijal: "Paid apps support is really high on our priority list for Jolla Store, we are currently blocked by some technicalities here. I have no schedule for you yet, but I hope to share a rough plan on SailfishOS improvements for the next few months during December." | 10:29 |
| King_DuckZ | Acce: uhm... interesting | 10:32 |
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| King_DuckZ | isn't harbour that unofficial store with software that didn't get approved for the jolla store? | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | no | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | harbour is the official store | 10:33 |
| Nicd- | openrepos is the unofficial one | 10:33 |
| King_DuckZ | ah got confused about names | 10:33 |
| Armadillo | coderus thanks, Repeater was a good hint :) | 10:35 |
| Armadillo | daitheflu I already got an answer yesterday, but if there are other solutions, sure I'm interested :) | 10:35 |
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| ln- | i don't think it's forbidden to implement payment for your apps some other way though. | 10:36 |
| daitheflu | Armadillo: this one seems better to me (uses Animation and no timer) : http://developer.nokia.com/community/wiki/Creating_an_animated_banner_ticker_tape_in_Qt_Quick | 10:36 |
| Armadillo | daitheflu thanks, this NumberAnimation Element looks really interesting | 10:38 |
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| daitheflu | Armadillo: I used it a few years ago and it's very convenient when you have to animate something :) | 10:40 |
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| meklu | openrepos' app is called warehouse | 11:04 |
| meklu | the technicalities are probably legal in naature, no? | 11:05 |
| meklu | doesn't seem like it would be overly complicated from a technological standpoint | 11:05 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | coderus, did you compiled telegram daemon on SFOS or am I wrong ? | 11:10 |
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| King_DuckZ | ah warehouse, that's it... all those names are pretty confused | 11:15 |
| King_DuckZ | they could've just called them iono... jolla-stable and jolla-unstable, or jolla-main and jolla-extra | 11:16 |
| King_DuckZ | btw, I want to share an idea for an app I'm not sure exists anywhere yet, but I know I won't have the time to work on it | 11:17 |
| Nicd- | openrepos cannot call itself jolla-anything | 11:17 |
| Nicd- | because they are not jolla | 11:18 |
| meklu | jolla's applications are prefixed with jolla-, other stuff is prefixed with harbour- | 11:18 |
| King_DuckZ | Nicd-: meh, it's still jolla-only software | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | yeah, but it's the community | 11:18 |
| tbr | to confuse things even more there's also chum | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | they cannot say that they are jolla or that it's made by jolla | 11:18 |
| King_DuckZ | /anyways/ | 11:18 |
| tbr | but because nobody gives a thing, there's nothing happening there | 11:18 |
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| Yaniel | tbr I have a couple of packages I'd like to get there... if I can find instructions | 11:19 |
| tbr | Yaniel: step one, build on OBS | 11:20 |
| tbr | which is super simple if you have a git repository with the source and a spec file | 11:21 |
| Yaniel | step zero, get a mer account? | 11:21 |
| King_DuckZ | I commute to work everyday by train, and during the trip I horse around with my beautiful jolla phone, sometimes I get on a fast train that only makes 2-3 stops, sometimes I get the slow one stopping at variying places, depending on the time | 11:21 |
| tbr | yes | 11:21 |
| Yaniel | well I have a git repo but no spec file | 11:21 |
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| tbr | ah, then get it to build with the SDK, that should get you a spec file | 11:22 |
| King_DuckZ | as it's getting very dark up here in the north, by 19 it's already pitch black, especially as you get to the country side, out of london, so sometimes I wonder at what stop I am, and when you're in the front coach for example it's very hard to spot the station's name | 11:22 |
| Yaniel | hrm | 11:22 |
| Yaniel | so the sb2 build thingie I suppose? | 11:22 |
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| King_DuckZ | so I thought it would be nice to have an app that uses the gps (not the map, as I have to open it everytime and use data connection) to tell me at which station I am | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | or do I have to glue it in a qt project | 11:23 |
| tbr | Yaniel: yeah, that's fine too | 11:23 |
| anYc | King_DuckZ: do you get a GPS in a train? | 11:23 |
| Yaniel | (the package is libsodium) | 11:23 |
| tbr | Yaniel: look at "mb" | 11:23 |
| King_DuckZ | even better, with some refining it could tell me what the next stop is and other informations scraped from the matching train company's website | 11:24 |
| anYc | I only tried it once and it didn't work | 11:24 |
| anYc | "GPS lock" | 11:24 |
| King_DuckZ | anYc: yeah, the maps app works | 11:24 |
| King_DuckZ | but I have to actively open it, connect to the internet (I have a low allowance) and stop what I'm doing (studying japanese), which is very distracting | 11:25 |
| King_DuckZ | it would be better to get a quick notification at the top, like those "connected" or "connection error" you get from the system | 11:25 |
| King_DuckZ | or maybe just an alarm like vibrate/show alert when we're approaching my station | 11:26 |
| King_DuckZ | I guess there's enough potential to make free+paid editions of the same app | 11:26 |
| King_DuckZ | anYc: watching the maps app is what I currently do when I can't spot the station name before the train moves again, so I'm sure it works, /most/ of the times at least | 11:28 |
| meklu | the GPS might sometimes wind up in a 'blind spot', causing it to not update the position while you just cruise along long after the station passes | 11:28 |
| meklu | I think I've had that happen in the Helsinki metro when looking at the maps app | 11:29 |
| King_DuckZ | meklu: I'm sure one could estimate the position for these cases, mixing the train's schedule and the average speed | 11:29 |
| meklu | it wouldn't update for a whole minute or something | 11:29 |
| meklu | well, you could probably do that | 11:29 |
| meklu | seeing as it's a lot less erratic than the usual free-roam GPS usage :) | 11:29 |
| King_DuckZ | it's sensibly more work, but that's what paid apps are fore :) | 11:29 |
| King_DuckZ | besides you don't have to tell the exact position, maybe just estimate a percentage between stops or start/destination, but in general you can approximate the trip to a point moving into a 1D space so you can make lots of assumptions | 11:31 |
| King_DuckZ | also, you know you only move forward | 11:31 |
| King_DuckZ | hell, maybe the app could even train itself into remembering what wifi was available at each station if you do the same trip regularly (or download that list beforehand if other people share it), so even if you get to a station where gps won't work, there's still a chance you can tell at which station you are | 11:33 |
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| King_DuckZ | or check the phone signal repetitor, I'm sure I played a game on my nokia 6600 long ago that did that, ie control your ingame position by having you move in the real world | 11:34 |
| King_DuckZ | those all sound like premium, paid-for features to enhance accuracy ;) | 11:36 |
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| King_DuckZ | ah it's called "repeater" (repeater cell?), not repetitor, sorry :p | 11:39 |
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| King_DuckZ | no thoughts? comments? do you like the idea? | 11:56 |
| alexxy | hi all | 11:58 |
| alexxy | any ideas why i dont see any vibration on incoming call or sms? | 11:58 |
| Toxip | I believe there's a feature like that in the Finnish commuting app JollaOpas | 11:58 |
| Toxip | alexxy: no idea... you probably checked the settings? | 11:59 |
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| Toxip | King_DuckZ: JollaOpas shows on what stop you're at based on GPS location. | 12:01 |
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| King_DuckZ | I have no match for opas or jollaopas | 12:06 |
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| coderus | dr_gogeta86: yes | 12:11 |
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| coderus | it just compiling from sources with no problems | 12:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've fixed that clock thing | 12:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | last version is not clone and compile | 12:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i'm watching how sigram works | 12:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | too qt desktop thing to convert | 12:12 |
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| ulvus | Hi sailfish | 12:44 |
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| TemeV | dr_gogeta86: what do you mean by telegram daemon? The telegram cli app? | 13:29 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | telegram cli | 14:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but is now fixed | 14:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | just librt at link time | 14:24 |
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| * stephg idly wonders about the tablet, virtualisation, docker and silly things like that | 14:31 | |
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| dr_gogeta86 | stephg, your not alone | 14:32 |
| stephg | there are lots of possibilities | 14:32 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | i dunno why redhat spit on my phone | 14:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I said you know is running wayland and systemd ? | 14:35 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Really ? I dont give a fuck | 14:36 |
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| stephg | dr_gogeta86: ? | 14:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and was a big rh head in emea | 14:36 |
| TemeV | dr_gogeta86: are you working on telegram app for sailfish? | 14:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've tried to run sigram | 14:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but was just a quick test | 14:39 |
| dr_gogeta86 | who is known to fail | 14:39 |
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| SK_work | what's sigram ? | 14:47 |
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| anandrkris | SK_work: telegram desktop client for linux | 14:52 |
| SK_work | ok | 14:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, sledges and other gurus | 14:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i need vpnc due changes in corporate policies | 14:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is possible today | 14:52 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ? | 14:52 |
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| stephg | think there are packages for it | 14:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i don't trust securefishnet | 14:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | simple | 14:54 |
| chem|st | dr_gogeta86: the guys behind it have no jolla | 14:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is not my fault | 14:55 |
| chem|st | I can ask at the xmas dinner next week if one of them is willing to | 14:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | c'mon also windows phone have it now :- | 14:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ( | 14:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've discovered this morning | 14:55 |
| stephg | chem|st: there are packages tho | 14:56 |
| chem|st | well the initial developer has android, the one porting it to maemo too I guess | 14:56 |
| chem|st | stephg: I guess nieldk ported everything available, does not mean it does work | 14:56 |
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| stephg | chem|st: no, they're in the official repo | 15:04 |
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| stephg | (but as to whether they work, you're right) | 15:04 |
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| chem|st | ah in the mer repo... might be that some folks at jolla ported that as part of the enterprise integration (which is yet to come huh) | 15:08 |
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| daitheflu | can I bother someone with some dev issue I'm struggling with ? | 15:21 |
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| giucam | don't ask to ask, just ask | 15:29 |
| daitheflu | giucam: sorry :/ | 15:30 |
| giucam | np | 15:30 |
| daitheflu | allright then | 15:30 |
| daitheflu | let's say I have a ListView filled with a ListModel (filled with data from LocalStorage) | 15:31 |
| daitheflu | each item has a title and an id | 15:31 |
| daitheflu | when I click on an item, I push a page where I want to show details about the clicked item | 15:32 |
| daitheflu | so I pass the id of the clicked item and load all the data from LocalStorage - this is working pretty well | 15:32 |
| daitheflu | now I'd like to have an entry in the a pulley menu that would change the value of one of the field | 15:33 |
| daitheflu | my problem is that I only have a JS object, and changing one of its properties (i.g. task.status = "completed") will not update the view | 15:34 |
| daitheflu | it's not going to update the previous listview either | 15:34 |
| daitheflu | (I already asked on the mailing-list, where Lucien - SK_work - gave me some inputs, but I still don't know how to proceed) | 15:35 |
| Acce | I would say, make the JS object into a QtObject -type QML-object | 15:38 |
| Acce | I have done that a few times (I admit, I have not enough knowledge to tell whether it is a good practise or not, but it works very well at least) | 15:38 |
| SK_work | hi daitheflu | 15:40 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: ok, I remember this and how to do this | 15:40 |
| SK_work | in your subpage, implement a signal like "signal statusChanged" | 15:41 |
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| SK_work | when you change the status in subpage, emit this signal | 15:41 |
| SK_work | when pushing the page, do this: | 15:41 |
| SK_work | page = pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl(...), {...}) | 15:41 |
| SK_work | page.statusChanged.connect(statusChangedCallback) | 15:41 |
| SK_work | in your delegate, implement the function statusChangedCallback(newStatus) { myModel.set(model.index, {status: newStatus}) | 15:42 |
| SK_work | something like this | 15:42 |
| daitheflu | Acce: that was my first idea, but it doesn't solve the list update-issue :) | 15:42 |
| SK_work | note that myModel is the id of the model, as in delegate, the context property model refer to some properties for the delegate (like index) | 15:43 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: ^ | 15:43 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: oooh okay | 15:43 |
| SK_work | try something like this | 15:43 |
| SK_work | this should make your pushed page communicate via signals to the delegate that pushed it | 15:44 |
| Acce | daitheflu: hmm well I'll let SK_work handle you, since looks like he's got the situation in control :) | 15:44 |
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| daitheflu | SK_work: I'll definitely try this, thanks a lot | 15:45 |
| SK_work | something important with this design (even if it is more painful) is: separation | 15:45 |
| SK_work | your page is standalone and don't need to know the model / view / previous page | 15:45 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: this still won't update the "details view", will it ? Do I have to do this manually ? | 15:45 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: it won't update your detailed view | 15:46 |
| SK_work | if you pass the model.status to the detailed view like something {status: model.status}, this won't work | 15:46 |
| SK_work | as status will be copied | 15:46 |
| SK_work | so if you update your status, you should send the signal and update in subpage | 15:46 |
| Elleo | 39 | 15:48 |
| Elleo | oops | 15:48 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: so to make it really really simple : I have a signal sent from the detailsview that ask the model to update, and when it's done, I have another signal sent from the model that tells the details view to update ? | 15:49 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: no | 15:50 |
| SK_work | simpler | 15:50 |
| daitheflu | darn, I'm sorry :( | 15:50 |
| SK_work | your detailed view update itself then send a message to parent view | 15:50 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: don't be sorry | 15:50 |
| SK_work | :) | 15:50 |
| SK_work | it is ok, as this is design question and I'm not even sure that my way of doing is perfect | 15:50 |
| SK_work | yours would be the best way of doing, but it is complicated :( | 15:51 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: seems clever than everything I tried at least :) | 15:51 |
| daitheflu | thanks a lot, I4m giving it a try :) | 15:54 |
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| SK_work | daitheflu: what app are you developing btw ? | 16:00 |
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| daitheflu | SK_work: a Tasks app, something a little bit more elaborated than Armadillo's (a task can have a due date, tags, annotations, priority, ...) - There would like to make "Smart folders" also and it should be syncable with TaskWarrior | 16:02 |
| SK_work | hum interesting | 16:02 |
| SK_work | maybe I should take a look at some task services | 16:03 |
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| daitheflu | SK_work: Taskwarrior seems pretty nice : it's opensource, it has several clients and it's been well thought IMHO | 16:10 |
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| daitheflu | SK_work: thanks again, it works :) | 17:11 |
| daitheflu | I still think I'm going to combine this with the QtObject technique to help me do others things (like updating the PulleyMenu entries depending on the task status) | 17:12 |
| daitheflu | but your help was reaaaaaaally precious :) | 17:12 |
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| SK_work | daitheflu: note that I'm not a huge fan of QtObject thingie | 17:14 |
| SK_work | creating a QObject in runtime is more costly than creating a QString / int etc. | 17:14 |
| daitheflu | I see | 17:14 |
| daitheflu | I'll need to find another solution then | 17:15 |
| SK_work | daitheflu: show some code :) | 17:15 |
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| daitheflu | that will be for tomorrow :) | 17:15 |
| SK_work | ok | 17:15 |
| SK_work | if you have some code I can help better | 17:15 |
| daitheflu | SK_work: yep I'll try to install git and upload the stuff on Github, it'll make things easier | 17:16 |
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| daitheflu | the code is a bit messy right now because I tried several things more or less at the same time | 17:16 |
| daitheflu | but I'll take care about this too | 17:17 |
| daitheflu | got to go ! bye ! | 17:17 |
| SK_work | night | 17:17 |
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| Toxip | "cannot use script for property value" this is giving me a headache :/ | 17:51 |
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| Toxip | does anyone know how to get around this? | 17:53 |
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| SK_work | Toxip: show me the code | 17:56 |
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| Armadillo | sounds like using variables for ListItems | 17:59 |
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| Toxip | Armadillo: yep, and I don't know how else I could do it :/ | 18:01 |
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| SK_work | use model.set ? | 18:07 |
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| Toxip | I gotta try that, thanks :) | 18:09 |
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| coderus | Toxip: Component.onCompleted: { append({ ... }) ... } | 18:17 |
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| Armadillo | I also used append to workaround this some days ago | 18:19 |
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| SK_work | or use C++ | 18:20 |
| SK_work | :) | 18:20 |
| Toxip | coderus: thanks, really been scouring the internet for this... I read that this has been fixed in Qt 5.4 | 18:20 |
| Armadillo | yes, I also saw this | 18:21 |
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| RavenholmDX | I'm getting the following error when trying to deploy my app as RPM: RPM build errors: | 19:00 |
| RavenholmDX | error: File not found: /home/deploy/installroot/usr/share/%{Duder} | 19:00 |
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| RavenholmDX | getting it on the .desktop and .png icon file too | 19:00 |
| coderus | what is Duder? | 19:03 |
| coderus | looks like bad substitute in spec | 19:04 |
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| RavenholmDX | It's my app | 19:08 |
| RavenholmDX | I'll post my spec | 19:08 |
| RavenholmDX | http://paste.ubuntu.com/9371229/ | 19:08 |
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| lukedirtwalker | %{Duder} should rather be %{name} I think | 19:19 |
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| lukedirtwalker | RavenholmDX: try replace %{Duder} with %{name} ? | 19:20 |
| RavenholmDX | I'll try it | 19:23 |
| RavenholmDX | I genuinely don't know how that happened | 19:23 |
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| RavenholmDX | worked lukedirtwalker | 19:24 |
| RavenholmDX | thanks a bunch :) | 19:24 |
| lukedirtwalker | np | 19:25 |
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| Toxip | is there anyone working on a native TextSecure or Tox client? | 19:29 |
| Nicd- | someone said they were looking at tox | 19:29 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel? | 19:29 |
| urjaman | someone said they wanted to do TextSecure too i think... | 19:29 |
| Toxip | I hope they will open the source for chat app | 19:31 |
| urjaman | https://together.jolla.com/question/67668/additional-sailfishos-community-meeting-on-irc-2014-12-02t1500-utc/?answer=67732#post-id-67732 DiosDelRayo | 19:31 |
| Toxip | yeah, I did read that | 19:31 |
| Toxip | but DiosDelRayo said he'd also needs to learn C++/Qt/QML | 19:32 |
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| Yaniel | yeah I've started investigating | 20:10 |
| Yaniel | need to get a couple of libs built on the sdk before I can start | 20:11 |
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| anYc | tox is p2p? | 20:26 |
| Yaniel | yep | 20:26 |
| anYc | today I was looking for a new messenger and everyone was recommending textsecure | 20:27 |
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| anYc | looks like tox isn't widely known | 20:28 |
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| RavenholmDX | First app tested on hardware, packaged and passing validation | 21:05 |
| coderus | that means nothing :D | 21:06 |
| RavenholmDX | what else am I missing? :P | 21:07 |
| coderus | they can reject your app because you creating files in wrong directory, using too many resources, not sleeping while app in abckground/phone locked :D | 21:07 |
| cryorat | anYc, and didnt expect to work :) I use now Telegram, not a bad stuff | 21:07 |
| RavenholmDX | coderus: I'm okay on the first two counts | 21:08 |
| RavenholmDX | and the app isn't doing anything in the background | 21:08 |
| RavenholmDX | (unless you want it to) | 21:08 |
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| coderus | then upload it to harbour and pray :D | 21:09 |
| coderus | you also check qml import names | 21:09 |
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| RavenholmDX | doesn't the validator check that? | 21:11 |
| RavenholmDX | I think I'm only using standard sailfish imports | 21:11 |
| coderus | good :) | 21:12 |
| lukedirtwalker | If you pass the validator you have good chance to get accepted | 21:12 |
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| RavenholmDX | we'll see | 21:16 |
| RavenholmDX | gotta go grab some screenshots | 21:16 |
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| RavenholmDX | submitted | 21:30 |
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| kimmoli | Number of apps submitted yesterday 7 .. is this a random or real number? | 21:55 |
| kimmoli | typically it is stuck at 2 | 21:56 |
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| txwxcc | hi | 22:05 |
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| erikn42 | hi, i just mounted a windows file share with cifs (file/dir_mode=0777) but i still cant access the files with file browser. what am i doing wrong? | 23:19 |
| erikn42 | in the terminal i can access the files... | 23:20 |
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