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| Venemo_j | pvuorela: ping | 06:23 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 06:25 |
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| w00t | Venemo_j: pong | 06:47 |
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| kimmoli | Nc_ was asking signals of calls and SMS. this is my solution, http://pastebin.com/x86fsq3L | 07:14 |
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| pvuorela | Venemo_j: pong | 07:34 |
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| stephg | so here's a curious thing: (nearly) all of my Jolla apps (that is, apps by Jolla on the store) have moved to the bottom of the launcher | 07:37 |
| Nicd- | mine did that once | 07:38 |
| stephg | I had a UX crash, and did a reboot after that | 07:39 |
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| Nicd- | haven't bothered to move them up so they're now at the end of the 2nd page | 07:39 |
| stephg | only other thing I noticed is that the email client thought it had no accounts, and I did the reboot as the vkb was being really sluggish | 07:39 |
| stephg | now everything back to normal except they're in the wrong place | 07:40 |
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| Venemo_j | pvuorela: I heard you are pretty familiar with maliit | 07:44 |
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| pvuorela | Venemo_j: sure. | 07:49 |
| william_gen | no new update? | 07:50 |
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| Stskeeps | william_gen: we're doing updates when they're ready and stable, ensures high quality :) | 07:51 |
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| william_gen | jolla said new update published between 9-16,May | 07:53 |
| gexc | lol | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | well, updates are such that you only put them out when you know the update isn't going to break thing | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | s | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | also it's the 15th today | 07:54 |
| william_gen | :) | 07:54 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps: is there any statement about the reboot "fix"? Is it truly a issue with the connectors or is it only a software bug? | 07:55 |
| william_gen | what's new will be in the new update? | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: i don't make any statements in those regards, sorry, you'll have to wait for official communication | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | <- sw guy | 07:56 |
| flux | so it's a hw issue then ;-) | 07:56 |
| Sail0r | Stskeeps: ok, but will there be a statement in the future? | 07:56 |
| Stskeeps | Sail0r: you can ask me about things like sailfishos architecture/research/etc but it's not really my area to speak of these kind of things :) | 07:56 |
| flux | but it's curious how simply replugging battery seems to get rid of the issue for a long while. so, it could be some battery controller firmware issue. | 07:57 |
| Sail0r | I am just wondering because it started suddenly for me at the weekend | 07:57 |
| Sail0r | and everytime Jolla gets heavy load | 07:57 |
| Sail0r | but pulled out battery for over an hour and it does not occur anymore until now | 07:58 |
| Sail0r | If it is a battery connector issue we should see a drop in voltage or smth before sudden black screen | 07:59 |
| Sail0r | Is there a method to get battery voltage every 5s or so? | 07:59 |
| Stskeeps | possibly through /sys somewhere | 07:59 |
| Sail0r | how is decided to do a emergency shutdown? On voltage? Heat? | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know :) | 08:00 |
| Stskeeps | one of the few areas i never touched, back when i was just doing contracting i never wanted to touch remotely anything related to batteries due to the insane liability issues | 08:01 |
| Sail0r | would be nice to know maybe it's only a race condition in the software | 08:01 |
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| Venemo_j | pvuorela: can you help me with it a bit? | 08:02 |
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| Venemo_j | pvuorela: I'm trying to create a virtual keyboard, so as a first step I built maliit-framework and maliit-plugins from upstream source | 08:03 |
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| Venemo_j_ | sorry, got a random reboot... | 08:06 |
| Nicd- | Sail0r: there are possibly many causes (because people have different situations where the reboots happen) but supposedly one of them is that the battery contact is not firm and the impedance between the connectors grows over some value which triggers a watchdog shutdown | 08:06 |
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| Sail0r | but when the impedance grows I must see a voltage drop don't I? | 08:07 |
| Venemo_j_ | pvuorela: so I built maliit-framework and maliit-plugins from upstream source and started maliit-server, but no virtual keyboard appears if I try one of the examples | 08:07 |
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| Venemo_j_ | pvuorela: what am I missing? | 08:08 |
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| Sail0r | ok actual voltage can be found at cat /sys/class/power_supply/battery/voltage_now | 08:09 |
| pvuorela | Venemo_j_: running with proper qt input context? | 08:09 |
| pvuorela | Venemo_j_: also, on what context would that be? desktop? haven't tried that myself in a while :) | 08:13 |
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| Venemo_j | pvuorela: I dunno, I thought the input context was in the source of maliit-framework | 08:15 |
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| Venemo_j | pvuorela: I'm trying to run it on Fedora 20 / Gnome 3.12 | 08:15 |
| pvuorela | Venemo_j: it is, but apps need to be having QT_IM_MODULE=Maliit so they use the correct plugin. | 08:16 |
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| pvuorela | also depending on system theming, might need a click on focused editor to request virtual keyboard. | 08:17 |
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| Sail0r | Nicd-: any clue how low the voltage is allowed to drop before watchdog triggers? | 08:21 |
| Nicd- | I have no idea, I just repeated what other people said | 08:22 |
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| Sail0r | at the moment (70% as battery level) voltage drops to 3,7v when heavy load occurs | 08:22 |
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| flux | sail0r, last time it started to occurring to me, I just removed the battery for 5 seconds and it worked fine after that.. | 08:49 |
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| Sail0r | flux: I wrote now a simple script to monitor battery voltage I hope it brings more light to the problem | 08:53 |
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| flux | sail0r, my guess is that you will not find battery level dropping before the shutdown, that is, it it does, your script may be the last one to know it if at all :) | 08:54 |
| flux | sail0r, but let's see what happens! | 08:54 |
| Stskeeps | audio feedback of voltage level? :P | 08:54 |
| flux | is it a controlled shutdown that occurs? | 08:55 |
| flux | or more like cut-the-cord-kind | 08:55 |
| flux | if it's the latter, the last outputs from your script won't even be stored | 08:55 |
| Sail0r | it looks like a cut-the-cord | 08:55 |
| Sail0r | but sometimes it powers off normally | 08:55 |
| flux | so you should write it to some host on the network via ssh perhaps? | 08:55 |
| Sail0r | I push it via http to a simple php script | 08:56 |
| Sail0r | which stores it in a db | 08:56 |
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| flux | best solution would be hooking up a digital oscilloscope to the battery connector :) | 08:56 |
| Venemo_j | pvuorela: I tried with a Gtk app | 08:57 |
| Sail0r | yeah but it's a bit heavy for daily use ;) | 08:57 |
| Venemo_j | pvuorela: maybe that was the problem | 08:57 |
| Venemo_j | pvuorela: but the maliit example app didn't work either. I'll try your suggestion :) | 08:57 |
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| cos- | Sail0r: you know there's also a cut-the-cord shutdown issue that's not related to battery level? | 08:59 |
| Sail0r | nope | 08:59 |
| Sail0r | did not know | 08:59 |
| Sail0r | ^^ | 08:59 |
| cos- | Sail0r: https://together.jolla.com/question/41121/random-black-screen-of-death/ | 09:00 |
| Sail0r | I do not have to remove the battery | 09:00 |
| Sail0r | I can turn it on normally after this happens | 09:00 |
| cos- | very painful to debug, i haven't had it for over a week now | 09:00 |
| cos- | ok, then it's probably different | 09:00 |
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| flux | someone should make a kernel serial console ToH over i2c ;-) | 09:01 |
| Sail0r | hehe | 09:01 |
| flux | it's would be neat having a db9 connector on it :) | 09:02 |
| cos- | flux: just what i was thinking :-) | 09:02 |
| Sail0r | it's pretty strange because sometimes screen turns black and it does nothing ... after pressing power button for a long time it boots up again | 09:02 |
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| cos- | does a kernel panic blank the screen? | 09:02 |
| Sail0r | very good question | 09:02 |
| Sail0r | could be possible | 09:02 |
| flux | I think kernel does now know how to blank the screen? | 09:03 |
| Sail0r | but I did not find anything in the logs about kernel crashing | 09:03 |
| Sail0r | but maybe it crashes so hard that even those logs cannot be stored | 09:03 |
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| Sail0r | what I wonder most about is why does it suddenly start to do so | 09:05 |
| cos- | iirc kernel remounts filesystems readonly when it detects a (serious) panic and a log file can't be written after it | 09:05 |
| Sail0r | what does cause the sudden black screen and why does it repeat that often after first occurence | 09:05 |
| Sail0r | My phone for example never crashed before this weekend and I have one of the first once which is at daily use | 09:06 |
| Sail0r | and now it repeats that so often | 09:06 |
| flux | I had my second crashes last weekend and then it did it like 5 times on the same day | 09:07 |
| cos- | these issues (if they are related) seem to be somehow "modal" | 09:07 |
| flux | battery off, 5 seconds, battery back, no more crashing | 09:07 |
| cos- | battery tricks have never worked to my issues | 09:08 |
| Sail0r | mine is healthy since I pulled out the battery for over an hour I hope it keeps being ok | 09:08 |
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| Sail0r | what I noticed everytime my sudden black screen occured battery level was at under 60% | 09:12 |
| Sail0r | and after some of the blackscreens battery level was down to 4% | 09:13 |
| pvuorela | Venemo_j: could check that the qt5 input context is actually available. remembered it now needs CONFIG+=qt5-inputcontext, and as earlier version in qt repo was removed, could be that none is available. | 09:13 |
| pvuorela | Venemo_j: for gtk im module there's a separate repository. | 09:14 |
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| Venemo_j | pvuorela: okay. can I ping you about this tomorrow? I'm a bit immersed in my studies for tomorrow's exam | 09:15 |
| pvuorela | Venemo_j: sure. | 09:15 |
| Venemo_j | pvuorela: thank you :) | 09:16 |
| pvuorela | don't know you version, but suggest also running master. latest releases are somewhat old. | 09:16 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | good morning | 09:28 |
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| condo43 | Hello all; | 11:19 |
| condo43 | I have a problem with a sailfish QML application (dev) | 11:19 |
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| condo43 | In fact, I want to create a SwipeArea, but in a page where I used a PullDownMenu | 11:20 |
| condo43 | so, I used the preventStealing of a MouseArea; | 11:21 |
| condo43 | if the user touch the screen, mouve the finger; all works well, but if he is moving when the finger touch the screen, I don't recieved any event... (nor PositionChanged, Press nor released...) | 11:22 |
| condo43 | This is a QML/Qt bug ? or I used MouseArea in a bad way ? | 11:23 |
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| m4g0g | chello | 12:06 |
| m4g0g | are there any simple possibility add context menu to Button? | 12:06 |
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| m4g0g | I have column with buttons inside it. One button on click should show context menu | 12:08 |
| m4g0g | I try this: | 12:09 |
| m4g0g | http://codepad.org/gwwIWojD | 12:09 |
| m4g0g | but this show menu in invalid position and cover add button. But I want to show it under button | 12:10 |
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| m4g0g | where are all ppl? | 14:14 |
| cos- | finns are probably moving from work to home | 14:16 |
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| stephg | for those of you that haven't seen this yet, v. cool: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-May/004167.html | 14:54 |
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| Acce | cool | 14:57 |
| Yaniel | yay | 15:00 |
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| cos- | is there a decent ftp client available? | 15:31 |
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| zoldyck_ | today I tried Firefox OS and Sailfish OS no suddenly looks so smooth, user-oriented, bug-free and absolutely perfect | 15:38 |
| zoldyck_ | now* | 15:38 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: what are you doing man!? use ComboBox! | 18:28 |
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| Ramoth | So... no update this week as it seems... | 18:45 |
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| circleside | hi to all | 19:12 |
| Yaniel | hi | 19:12 |
| circleside | i noticed from together.jolla.com and the dev mail list that this https://together.jolla.com/question/564/personalization-of-the-pulley-menu-in-lock-screen/ will be in the update | 19:13 |
| circleside | (in the next update) | 19:13 |
| circleside | is it nemo source-wise? | 19:13 |
| circleside | or is it on the closed-source components side? | 19:13 |
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| Ramoth | Sounds good anyhow. | 19:17 |
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| circleside | yeah it does | 19:22 |
| circleside | im just wondering if it is implemented in nemo or not | 19:22 |
| circleside | bah | 19:22 |
| circleside | ill just clone the lipstick from nemo and cross fingers :) | 19:22 |
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| locusf | thats implemented in lipstick-jolla-home which is closed source | 19:30 |
| circleside | locusf : thanks for confirming | 19:35 |
| coderus | circleside: what difference if it opensource or not? | 19:35 |
| circleside | coderus : I can't get my hands on it? :P | 19:35 |
| circleside | (not yet at least?) | 19:35 |
| circleside | (for testing purposes I mean) | 19:36 |
| coderus | you should always wait for updates even if some nemo part updated | 19:36 |
| circleside | yes of course | 19:36 |
| coderus | because one part is never changing alone | 19:36 |
| circleside | but from a developer's mindset point of view, new features are interesting when they are hot | 19:37 |
| coderus | and you can't be sure 100% if you updated everything | 19:37 |
| coderus | i dont think its real name | 19:37 |
| circleside | coderus : life on the bleeding edge is cool ;) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | tell that to when my development branch device stops booting | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:38 |
| coderus | circleside: how old are you? | 19:38 |
| circleside | Stskeeps : hah | 19:38 |
| circleside | coderus : old enough to have lived through debian :P | 19:38 |
| coderus | well, thats strange then | 19:38 |
| circleside | how so | 19:38 |
| coderus | i was excited living on egde some years ago, but i'm still young enough | 19:39 |
| coderus | currently i'm sure stable is better :) | 19:39 |
| Stskeeps | +1 | 19:39 |
| circleside | :D | 19:40 |
| circleside | cant stop falling for the old charm i guess | 19:40 |
| coderus | well, for the truth, its valid for everyday devices only | 19:42 |
| circleside | hehe | 19:42 |
| coderus | i can make experiments if malfunction device diesnt hurt anything | 19:42 |
| coderus | or if recovery doesnt take much time and critical data wont be damaged :) | 19:43 |
| coderus | and for me smartphone is everyday use device, and i cant fix jolla myself until someone gift flasher with images :D | 19:44 |
| coderus | * i really have no idea why flasher wasnt released yet | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: simple, it requires us to distribute parts we can't | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | flasher itself is fastboot, image is the problem | 19:45 |
| coderus | hm | 19:45 |
| coderus | what the problem with images | 19:46 |
| circleside | Stskeeps : exactly, images can be dumped? | 19:46 |
| coderus | every device have open firmwares, why not jolla? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | can i just saw 'yadda yadda lawyers' and stay at that? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | : | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | P | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | say | 19:46 |
| circleside | coderus : perhaps it is too early? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | needless to say, if we could, we would | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | but we can't | 19:46 |
| circleside | *me ducks* | 19:46 |
| coderus | *too early* stops me from modding jolla | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | factory reset is pretty useful | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | or btrfs snapshots | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | recovery -> shell | 19:47 |
| circleside | hmm backups? | 19:47 |
| coderus | i cant repair jolla if it will break to unrecoverable state | 19:47 |
| coderus | it stops me | 19:47 |
| coderus | i should be sure in repair | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | you can't reflash the device anyhow if you brick the bootloader.. | 19:48 |
| coderus | if i can restore it from any state - i'm in | 19:48 |
| coderus | but not yet | 19:48 |
| coderus | bootloader not interests me :) | 19:48 |
| coderus | well, you say i can rm -rf / and recovery will repair my phone? | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | if you don't mess up your btrfs fs in the progress | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | factory image is on the device | 19:49 |
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| coderus | so, the answer is? | 19:50 |
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| Stskeeps | how about i test it on my development device tomorrow and then tell you? | 19:50 |
| Stskeeps | i don't like telling people when in an official channel how to shoot themselves in the foot :) | 19:51 |
| coderus | sure :) | 19:51 |
| coderus | i'll be happy to get this from any channel :D | 19:51 |
| coderus | well, factory image is on device | 19:52 |
| coderus | and its different image, which can help me if i break device and want to restore it with flasher? | 19:53 |
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| Raim | it's actually a btrfs snapshot. if you break it, you can't restore anymore. | 19:55 |
| Raim | but you can dd the partition somewhere else first to feel a bit more safe | 19:55 |
| coderus | good enough | 19:56 |
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| coderus | and i can create my own snapshots to restore it? | 19:57 |
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| faenil | coderus, of course you can :) | 20:45 |
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| m4g0g | good night | 20:57 |
| m4g0g | how I can read image data in qml? | 20:57 |
| stephg | image data? like exif? | 20:58 |
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| m4g0g | no, content. I need to send image via XMLHTTPRequest | 20:58 |
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| m4g0g | now I have only one idea: using Canvas and Context | 20:59 |
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| dwangoAC | Any word on a new N4 build? | 21:30 |
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| meegobit | carefull with having alot of snapshots, whence they start deviating from one another they start occupying alot of space, and I've had some bad experiences in other devices, in which I was out of disk space, even though df told me I had several GBs free | 21:56 |
| meegobit | Are there plans for implementing a qml designer for SailfishSDK? | 21:57 |
| meegobit | QtCreator proper has one, so it's probably only just silica that's missing from it | 21:57 |
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