| louisdk | Does Sailfish apps have to be compiled against all target architectures? | 00:09 |
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| kengu | i'd say no | 00:10 |
| sledges | sjn: have you reset again after untarring muckery? :) | 00:11 |
| louisdk | I'm playing around with Android x86 and find it nice that the apps doesn't have to be compiled for x86 but are generic. | 00:11 |
| ShadowJK | some of them are | 00:13 |
| ShadowJK | much of the nontrivial stuff isnt | 00:13 |
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| louisdk | I'm playing with Sailfish emulator in Virtualbox, however after a few reboots it just has a black screen when I boot it. Pressing Host + H doesn't help. SSH works fine. Could I restart a service and see if that helps? | 00:45 |
| sledges | louisdk: check `systemctl status` | 00:51 |
| sledges | of what went south | 00:52 |
| louisdk | sledges: systemctl status: Too few arguments. | 00:53 |
| sledges | louisdk: just `systemctl` | 00:53 |
| sledges | soz is late :) | 00:53 |
| louisdk | http://pastebin.com/vEM6gSFY | 00:54 |
| louisdk | sledges: yes it is ;) | 00:55 |
| sledges | louisdk: systemctl-user | 00:55 |
| sledges | as user | 00:55 |
| louisdk | It asks for password. Should I run passwd first? | 00:56 |
| sledges | hm | 00:56 |
| sledges | as user should not ask | 00:56 |
| sledges | try nemo | 00:57 |
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| louisdk | Hmm. It keeps failing if though I've set the password. I'm logged in as nemo. | 00:59 |
| sledges | try | 00:59 |
| sledges | systemctl --user | 01:00 |
| louisdk | http://pastebin.com/brByt8Ke | 01:00 |
| sledges | louisdk: your lipstick is dead | 01:01 |
| sledges | (nailed to the perch) | 01:01 |
| sledges | check journalctl | 01:02 |
| sledges | grep lipstick | 01:02 |
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| louisdk | journalctl does not give output as root and as you can see I've tried to start lipstick with systemctl: http://pastebin.com/GYPrPwCp | 01:05 |
| sledges | systemctl start lipstick.service | 01:07 |
| sledges | try that | 01:07 |
| sledges | and see what `journalctl -f` spits (in another window) | 01:07 |
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| * lpotter wonders why lipstick never crashes for him lately | 01:10 | |
| louisdk | http://pastebin.com/7wCWEtWf | 01:12 |
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| sledges | louisdk: yeah, it is dam late :D | 01:14 |
| sledges | `systemctl --user start lipstick.service` | 01:14 |
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| lpotter | pr 12 04:10:11 SailfishEmul ofonod[212]: create_ril: can't connect to RILD: No such file or directory (2) | 01:19 |
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| william_gen_ | hi guys ,how to make Maliit keyboard on nexus4's sailfish os can type in Chinese? | 01:25 |
| william_gen_ | now cant | 01:26 |
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| louisdk | systemctl --user start lipstick.service just stand here, nothing happens | 01:27 |
| sledges | william_gen_: perhaps you could do one yourself? watch this spae: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=91917 | 01:28 |
| sledges | +c | 01:29 |
| sledges | louisdk: and journalctl in the meanwhile? | 01:29 |
| * artemma_ really likes a not mentioned in notes update 5 improvement: now when Jolla temporarily freezes again, keyboard keeps recording touches and "plays them back" on unfreezing. No lost letters anymore | 01:29 | |
| * lpotter wonders about btrfs issues | 01:30 | |
| william_gen_ | sledges: I have seen it,but only layout can typein Chinese?I dont know | 01:30 |
| sledges | william_gen_: chinese is there btw | 01:31 |
| sledges | on your n4 | 01:31 |
| louisdk | journalctl is just repeating this: http://pastebin.com/7sXdmKXK | 01:31 |
| sledges | go to settings->system->text input->keyboards->(scroll to bottom) | 01:31 |
| sledges | louisdk: regardless of your actions? then yes, those are your problems sadly | 01:32 |
| william_gen_ | sledges: Chinese input use English letters,so the layout should be QWERTY English,I think | 01:32 |
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| sledges | william_gen_: let me check on jolla | 01:32 |
| william_gen_ | sledges: thanks | 01:33 |
| sledges | william_gen_: on jolla is the same | 01:34 |
| sledges | the only difference - jolla supports text prediction | 01:34 |
| william_gen_ | sledges: offical jolla phone can type in Chinese,but sailfish os on N4 cannt | 01:34 |
| louisdk | sleedges: Well thanks for your help. I might reinstall the SDK tomorrow. | 01:34 |
| sledges | where kanji starts to be suggested | 01:34 |
| sledges | louisdk: i agree :) | 01:34 |
| sledges | william_gen_: as you understood already, it's because text prediction is not in n4 - we apologise about that, i will pester to include that for chinese in the next update | 01:35 |
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| sledges | thanks for finding this | 01:36 |
| * sledges waves off goodnight o/ | 01:36 | |
| william_gen_ | sledges: thank you a lot | 01:36 |
| sledges | artemma_: sounds like kind-of magic :) | 01:37 |
| artemma_ | sledges: that might be a side effect of some optimization | 01:37 |
| artemma_ | not sure if many other people cared | 01:37 |
| sledges | depends on how many had tmp freezes | 01:38 |
| * artemma_ is known for being able to stress test even the fastest devices and systems. My Jolla is most of the time half-frozen | 01:38 | |
| william_gen_ | I am from China,I will use sailfish os as my daily-use os,if can type in Chinese words and can voice call | 01:38 |
| sledges | and how often they type | 01:38 |
| sledges | william_gen_: noted ;) thanks! | 01:38 |
| artemma_ | sledges: the effect I see is very clear. Before update it was loosing letters always on freeze, after update - it never looses them | 01:39 |
| sledges | artemma_: respect man :) | 01:39 |
| sledges | and well done jolla hehe, probably some touch/qt optimisations/updates | 01:40 |
| artemma_ | not that I mind :) | 01:41 |
| artemma_ | so far I really like the update. Jolla feels much faster and freezes way less | 01:41 |
| artemma_ | still freezes in my most frequent scenario (connection handover), but less | 01:42 |
| william_gen_ | sledges: you and your partner must be thanked actually,because you give us a good experience and another choice | 01:43 |
| artemma_ | hmm, why isn't my state change applied.. | 01:43 |
| sledges | william_gen_: thanks for good words, it's the whole team behind | 01:43 |
| william_gen_ | yeah | 01:44 |
| artemma_ | can't I change a state by just setting a state name? I think I remember it working in Qt 4.7-8 | 01:44 |
| artemma_ | do I have to change state via its when property? | 01:48 |
| artemma_ | Can't I somehow imperatively set state to be what I want? | 01:48 |
| william_gen_ | sledges: GStreamer audio and video codec not on sailfish os on N4? | 01:48 |
| sledges | artemma_: what state do you have in mind? | 01:49 |
| artemma_ | QML State | 01:49 |
| sledges | william_gen_: browse to http://jolla.com and video shows fine with audio there | 01:49 |
| * sledges not a QML dude :) | 01:50 | |
| artemma_ | somehow I change object's state property to "mycoolstate", but state named "mycoolstate" isn't set | 01:50 |
| artemma_ | is set just fine if when condition is true | 01:50 |
| artemma_ | ok :) | 01:50 |
| artemma_ | or actually not | 01:51 |
| william_gen_ | sledges: but in gallery,video can not be played,on N4 | 01:51 |
| sledges | william_gen_: nope, funnily ;) not yet | 01:51 |
| william_gen_ | audio dont test | 01:52 |
| sledges | audio works | 01:52 |
| artemma_ | aha, there was mistake in PropertyChanges | 01:53 |
| william_gen_ | in gallery of sailfish os on N4,video can not be played. click it,but nothing happen | 01:53 |
| sledges | 04:51 < sledges> william_gen_: nope, funnily ;) not yet | 01:54 |
| william_gen_ | sledges: hope so,but I cannot | 01:54 |
| sledges | william_gen_: videos do not work in gallery | 01:54 |
| sledges | next release would hopefully improve | 01:54 |
| william_gen_ | add gst-plugins-bad and gst-plugins-ugly plugins? | 01:55 |
| sledges | try, it's your toy :) i haven't investigated that | 01:55 |
| william_gen_ | i see | 01:56 |
| william_gen_ | thanks for your reply | 01:56 |
| sledges | welcome :) | 01:56 |
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| william_gen_ | jolla company planed publishing jolla phone in China before,BUT why not? | 02:07 |
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| carepack | good morning | 07:20 |
| carepack | congrats to the new release guys! | 07:21 |
| Stskeeps | thanks | 07:23 |
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| carepack | ;) | 08:00 |
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| leszek | hi | 08:51 |
| stephg | morning! | 08:52 |
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| theResonant | can anyone point to some documentation for "sailfish-qml", the executable? | 09:18 |
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| theResonant | or any basic info... i just discovered it in a .desktop file, and never heard about it before | 09:18 |
| theResonant | what is it? | 09:18 |
| leszek | someone already rebuilded the gstreamer extra codec packages ? | 09:18 |
| leszek | theResonant: as far as I know it is just a qmlviewer which accepts as parameter a path to a qml file it should show | 09:20 |
| theResonant | do you know if it will run Python components? I mean, from PyOtherSide | 09:20 |
| leszek | theResonant: only qml I guess | 09:21 |
| leszek | so no python or anything else | 09:21 |
| theResonant | PyOtherSide exposes the Python interpreter as a QML component | 09:21 |
| leszek | or what does the line look like you found in the desktop file ? | 09:21 |
| theResonant | it starts the interpreter | 09:21 |
| leszek | theResonant: ah ok so pyotherside is a qml plugin basically nowadays ? | 09:22 |
| theResonant | it advertises itself like that | 09:22 |
| theResonant | apparently it has functions to import Python modules into it (when you're defining it in QML) | 09:23 |
| leszek | I did not test it. Maybe you could write a small test app to try it. Hmm... how is the gpodder app started. It is also python code I guess | 09:23 |
| theResonant | that's one of the examples | 09:23 |
| theResonant | here's how another one is started | 09:24 |
| theResonant | sailfish-qml harbour-fremantleline | 09:24 |
| theResonant | Exec=sailfish-qml harbour-fremantleline | 09:24 |
| theResonant | the second one, sorry | 09:24 |
| theResonant | that's from the desktop file of the application "Perth Trains" | 09:24 |
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| theResonant | the gPodder repo on Github doesn't seem to contain any c++ files | 09:25 |
| theResonant | dammit, i must go already | 09:25 |
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| leszek | yeah gpodder is also written in python and uses sailfish-qml | 09:25 |
| leszek | take a look at their code it might help | 09:26 |
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| theResonant | but there's something else: it looks like you need "libsailfishapp-launcher" in order to have "sailfish-qml" | 09:26 |
| theResonant | yeah, well, the best way to get into sailfish devel is reading the repos :) | 09:26 |
| leszek | yeah reading code helps. Helped me too getting into C++ | 09:27 |
| theResonant | still, can't find some docs on sailfish-qml, if there are restrictions, or features, what you should or should not do... will check later though | 09:27 |
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| theResonant | i just did "pkcon install libsailfishapp-launcher" and it installed "sailfish-qml" :) nice | 09:29 |
| theResonant | so it's "official" | 09:29 |
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| theResonant | will try more later | 09:29 |
| theResonant | bye! | 09:29 |
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| Waitee | coderus: mitäkuuluu crashes every time i scroll the backlog of groupchat | 10:01 |
| Waitee | apparently if there is too many messages on the backlog | 10:02 |
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| itsxaos | i just got the orange TOH :D | 10:33 |
| itsxaos | its awesome | 10:33 |
| * Yaniel had one from the start :3 | 10:34 | |
| Waitee | :D | 10:34 |
| Waitee | i kinda like the new poppy red ambiance more than the first one ambiance :D | 10:34 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 10:34 |
| itsxaos | xD | 10:35 |
| Waitee | still not paying for second orange TOH | 10:35 |
| Yaniel | I don't use the first one ambience anyway | 10:35 |
| Waitee | : D | 10:35 |
| Waitee | me neither | 10:35 |
| Yaniel | but the orange TOH is nice | 10:35 |
| Waitee | agreed | 10:35 |
| matrixx | my lime colored TOH <3 | 10:35 |
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| Waitee | oh man i want a lime colored one too | 10:35 |
| itsxaos | If you tell me how, i could probably send yoy the ambiance :D | 10:36 |
| itsxaos | *you | 10:36 |
| Waitee | :D | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | I don't like the lime colour | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | err, the aloe colour | 10:37 |
| Waitee | i like the aloe too | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | if there was a real lime coloured one that might be nice | 10:37 |
| Yaniel | or even better a pine coloured one | 10:38 |
| Yaniel | (really dark green) | 10:38 |
| Waitee | :D | 10:38 |
| Waitee | M05 coloured TOH | 10:38 |
| itsxaos | M05? is that a plane? ^^ | 10:39 |
| Waitee | it's the pattern used in finnish defence forces' field suits | 10:40 |
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| Yaniel | heh | 10:40 |
| itsxaos | haha i gotta check that out | 10:40 |
| Yaniel | damn em-dash is not \emdash in LaTeX | 10:41 |
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| itsxaos | and now i know what TeX and LaTeX are | 10:55 |
| Yaniel | (turns out it is simply -- ) | 10:55 |
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| leinir | And, of course, how LaTeX is different from Latex ;) | 10:56 |
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| itsxaos | okay i don't know that | 10:59 |
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| leinir | well, the one with the funny casing is a typesetting tool... and the one spelled like a word isn't | 11:00 |
| itsxaos | or do you mean the stuff from tree | 11:00 |
| leinir | well, and dandelions... yeah :) | 11:00 |
| itsxaos | ah kk :D | 11:00 |
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| virtuald | someone decided you have to pronounce TeX like tesh | 11:01 |
| leinir | well, that's not really a decision... that's more because it's Greek and not English ;) | 11:02 |
| Yaniel | more like tech | 11:02 |
| itsxaos | yeah i pronounce it like χ | 11:02 |
| itsxaos | exactly | 11:02 |
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| itsxaos | not really something you can spell in English | 11:02 |
| Yaniel | ...just noticed your username :D | 11:03 |
| virtuald | i don't know how greeks pronounce χ and I've always seen it spelled with latin letters | 11:03 |
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| Yaniel | don't trust latin letters | 11:03 |
| leinir | the latin letters, much like cake, are a lie | 11:03 |
| Yaniel | especially when used for languages that are not.. latin | 11:04 |
| Yaniel | (pinyin anyone?) | 11:04 |
| virtuald | last cake i had wasn't a lie | 11:04 |
| itsxaos | :D | 11:04 |
| coderus | Waitee: who cares? :) | 11:05 |
| Waitee | :D | 11:05 |
| itsxaos | 我是德国人 | 11:05 |
| Waitee | i do : D | 11:05 |
| itsxaos | was that right? xD | 11:05 |
| Yaniel | if google translate is right about the "german" part then it at least makes sense | 11:06 |
| Yaniel | but that is not pinyin :D | 11:06 |
| Yaniel | nor latin | 11:06 |
| itsxaos | true | 11:06 |
| Waitee | i dont have that char set installed | 11:06 |
| itsxaos | i just love that i can switch the languages on the keyboard like that | 11:07 |
| Yaniel | cjk fonts should be present by default on all systems :/ | 11:07 |
| tuukkah | [tex] in ipa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative | 11:08 |
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| itsxaos | wow | 11:12 |
| itsxaos | thats cool | 11:12 |
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| Sidde | I just reinstalled sailfish sdk. But for some reason i can't get the appliations to compile | 11:39 |
| Sidde | Fatal: No spec file found in ... | 11:39 |
| Sidde | Does not matter if a choose the emulator or the arm device | 11:39 |
| Sidde | anything obvious i forgot? | 11:40 |
| itsxaos | google yet? | 11:40 |
| Sidde | yes | 11:41 |
| itsxaos | okay im out of wisdom | 11:41 |
| itsxaos | :D | 11:41 |
| Sidde | i can't understand whats wrong with the SDK. It's completely freshly installed | 11:42 |
| tbr | what are you trying to build? an existing project? | 11:43 |
| Sidde | tbr: i tried that first but because everything failed i started a new project | 11:44 |
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| tbr | no idea right now. | 11:44 |
| Sidde | i reinstall it again i think and start from scrath. Maybe something is fucked up because i started with an existing project from another computer | 11:45 |
| xaos_ | hmm | 11:46 |
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| Sidde | I can't say i really like the build concept. It's to complex. Too much stuff that can go wrong | 11:46 |
| Sidde | haha, the uninstaller does not really uninstall everything... | 11:48 |
| Sidde | yay... | 11:48 |
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| tango_ | Yaniel: -- is en-dash in latex, --- is em-dash | 11:51 |
| Yaniel | oh | 11:53 |
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| Sidde | i found the problem. Installing Sailfish SDK inside Windows program files directory | 12:40 |
| Sidde | Not the obvious problem when it could not generate a spec file | 12:40 |
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| theResonant | I'm trying out PyOtherSide, and there's a weird thing I'd like to try: to use an object retrieved from Python *directly* as a ListModel for a ListView | 13:49 |
| theResonant | does anyone know how this object should be? | 13:50 |
| theResonant | would it be enough to simply define those methods that a ListModel should have, to trick the ListView into believing it's a real ListModel_ | 13:51 |
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| Nicd- | I have a Label element which wraps to multiple lines. it's inside a Row that's inside a ListItem | 14:02 |
| Nicd- | the problem is that the ListItem's height does not match the height of the wrapped text | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | I've tried setting height: childrenRect.height for the ListItem and Row but it doesn't change anything | 14:03 |
| theResonant | would it work if you bind the height of the ListItem to the height of the Label? | 14:04 |
| theResonant | it is a bit backwards, but... | 14:04 |
| Nicd- | I'll try | 14:05 |
| Nicd- | it does change something | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | now the ListItem is activated if I click anywhere on the wrapped text, but the highlighted part is still the original size | 14:07 |
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| artemma | state name can be only lower case??? WTF? | 14:16 |
| artemma | debugging non working animation second day in a row and figured that things work if I use lower case state name | 14:17 |
| Acce | only the first letter, I guess? | 14:17 |
| artemma | nope, that's not about the case (tried identical long name, but small case) | 14:18 |
| artemma | I must be missing something simple and stupid | 14:18 |
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| artemma | sorry, that was not it. Back to studying | 14:18 |
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| artemma | arrgh! Stupid me. When declaring animations used propertY instead of propertIES | 14:28 |
| artemma | QtQuick engine should post messages about it at least, really | 14:28 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, so now I have a ListItem { Label {} } and the clicks go through correctly, but the highlighted area is still the same size (doesn't follow the height of the content) | 14:37 |
| Nicd- | the ListItem has height: labelId.height | 14:37 |
| jpnurmi | Nicd-: try setting contentHeight instead | 14:38 |
| Nicd- | as in contentHeight: labelId.height? | 14:39 |
| jpnurmi | https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-listitem.html#contentHeight-prop | 14:39 |
| Nicd- | that did it, thanks jpnurmi :) | 14:40 |
| jpnurmi | np :) | 14:40 |
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| kimmoli | Is there way to crop camera viewfinder shows with GStreamerVideoOutput? Would like to set it 480x480, but it insits to be 480x640 or 640x480 (width/height not worky) | 15:02 |
| kimmoli_sailing | also would like to freeze/pause it... | 15:05 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | Venemo: the irc app doesn't have a changelog. | 15:15 |
| Venemo | AL13N_jolla_: yes, everyone has already told me that | 15:15 |
| Venemo | AL13N_jolla_: next time I won't forget to fill that field, ok? | 15:16 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | i noticed a new system update... nice | 15:16 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Venemo: sorry | 15:16 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Venemo: si, what has changed? | 15:16 |
| Nicd- | bummer, the new Qt5 connect syntax doesn't deal with overloaded signals | 15:17 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | btw, does anyone know if someone made a question yet about turning off mms? | 15:19 |
| Nicd- | so now I have QObject::connect(socket, SELECT<const QList<QSslError>&>::OVERLOAD_OF(&QSslSocket::sslErrors), ... :P looks terrible but it works | 15:19 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | or rather hide mms option for sending? | 15:19 |
| Venemo | AL13N_jolla_: https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish/commits/master | 15:20 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | thx | 15:20 |
| coderus | artemma: ping | 15:22 |
| artemma | coderus: pong | 15:22 |
| coderus | artemma: i'm using Harmattan FastScroll component | 15:22 |
| coderus | a bit modified for silica | 15:22 |
| coderus | it using section scroller technique | 15:22 |
| artemma | fastscroll, hmm.. thanks | 15:22 |
| coderus | it was ported from some system harmattan application ages ago for wazapp and ported now for mitakuuluu | 15:23 |
| coderus | you can grab it from my sources | 15:23 |
| artemma | oh. I thought mitakuuluu is closed | 15:24 |
| artemma | sure it's not :) | 15:24 |
| coderus | qml is open | 15:24 |
| coderus | and next release will be 100% opensource :) | 15:24 |
| coderus | artemma: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/tree/master/persecute2/qml FastScroll js + qml | 15:24 |
| artemma | well, as I guess you know, I try caring about licenses too, not just about technical ability to grab code :) | 15:24 |
| artemma | thanks | 15:25 |
| coderus | my code is wtfpl | 15:25 |
| coderus | usage in https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/blob/master/persecute2/qml/SelectPhonebook.qml for example | 15:25 |
| artemma | need to study it :) | 15:25 |
| coderus | i dont care about license in my apps, you know :) | 15:26 |
| coderus | you can do what you want with my code | 15:26 |
| Nicd- | wtfpl is nice for devs (that don't expect to make much money on the project) but not for businesses | 15:26 |
| artemma | I sounds more cool than just Public Domain that I use for some public demos | 15:26 |
| artemma | it* sounds | 15:26 |
| coderus | i will be happy if any piece of my code can help developers :) | 15:26 |
| Nicd- | artemma: the problem with public domain is that it isn't valid in all countries and businesses won't be able to use it. that's probably not a problem here but it's good to note | 15:27 |
| artemma | I agree, some more standardized public domain could be good for such cases, wtfpl may be just that | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | jolla is probably the only business that's involved here and they can just ask for another licence | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | wtfpl isn't much better from a business perspective I Think | 15:28 |
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| artemma | coderus: do you happen to have some user feedback on fastscroller? It looks cool, but also somewhat different from sailfish style | 15:28 |
| coderus | well, if you can modify it to suit better for silica style it will be nice :) | 15:29 |
| coderus | also notice all section scrollers have common bug: you can use them only if delegates with is fixed | 15:29 |
| coderus | if not if won't scroll to target position :) | 15:29 |
| artemma | I see | 15:29 |
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| artemma | I am not really a designer unfortunately, hence looking for somebody's else work | 15:30 |
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| coderus | if you have huge list its better to use alphabet search | 15:30 |
| coderus | like in phonebook | 15:30 |
| Morpog_ | anyone lese got network problems in some but not all android apps since latest update? | 15:31 |
| Morpog_ | else | 15:31 |
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| coderus | Morpog_: no. i got only network performance boost since update in alien | 15:32 |
| Morpog_ | Stskeeps, ? | 15:32 |
| * artemma is thinking about a grid with hundreds of image thumbs. Well, maybe just a standard grid without extra scroller will be fine for some 200-500 images. After all it looks okayish in Gallery | 15:33 | |
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| coderus | artemma: you can add buttons to scroll to next section. it will be more suitable for silica :) | 15:37 |
| artemma | I was thinking of a scroll-to-top icon a'la tweetian master | 15:37 |
| artemma | speculating on that in most cases user just needs to scroll to latest images | 15:38 |
| coderus | sure :) | 15:38 |
| * artemma prefers relying on Apple design expertise whenever possible and they made fast scroll exactly to top a standard always accessible feature | 15:39 | |
| artemma | don't trust my own UX ideas compared to pros :) | 15:39 |
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| artemma | Can I programmatically minimize app? | 15:49 |
| artemma | I am changing ambience and would like to show task manager after ambience is changed, so that user could see the effect easily | 15:50 |
| Nicd- | artemma: Jonni's ip address app does that | 15:51 |
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| Acce | artemma: ApplicationWindow has a function deactivate() which should minimize, at least activate() brings the app to foreground | 15:55 |
| Jonni | yes there are couple ways to do it, my app does it a bit tricky way (as official api was not available when I did it). | 15:55 |
| Nicd- | is it possible to display a blocking dialog for the user from C++ which makes the thread wait for the result? | 15:56 |
| locusf | is there a simple way of keeping the screen on when the application is on the foreground? | 15:56 |
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| Jonni | (my app calls lower() function from qml window object). | 15:57 |
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| coderus | locusf: no simple ways | 16:01 |
| coderus | Nicd-: afaik its not possible in wayland | 16:01 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: only lipstick can block ui as windows manager :) | 16:01 |
| * coderus dont like blocking actions as user | 16:02 | |
| Nicd- | well, I only need a dialog which would block the execution of my thread, not the whole phone UI | 16:02 |
| locusf | coderus: well what about the hard way then :) ? | 16:02 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: ah, well, use synchronous check while (condition) or so | 16:03 |
| Nicd- | but that's a busyloop then | 16:03 |
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| coderus | locusf: mce for example | 16:04 |
| coderus | Nicd-: isnt it what you want? | 16:04 |
| Nicd- | no, busyloops are bad | 16:05 |
| coderus | well | 16:05 |
| Nicd- | the problem I have is that QSslSocket emits a signal sslErrors and if I still want to keep connecting, I need to send it ignoreSslErrors _from the same slot_ where I caught the sslErrors signal | 16:05 |
| Nicd- | this means I can't talk to other threads except with a BlockingQueuedConnection and I can't just show a dialog to the user (because it would be asynchronous) | 16:05 |
| * coderus thinking | 16:06 | |
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| coderus | first of all: ignoring ssl make your connection unencrypted | 16:12 |
| Nicd- | it doesn't | 16:12 |
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| Nicd- | for example, a self-signed certificate will result in an SSL error but if you compare the certificate fingerprint and know it's correct, you can ignore the error and be sure that the connection is encrypted | 16:13 |
| coderus | it does | 16:13 |
| itsxaos | does NielDK from openrepos ever come on here? | 16:13 |
| coderus | you need to add your certificate to connection parameters | 16:13 |
| itsxaos | oh hi coderus! | 16:13 |
| Nicd- | coderus: the client does not have a certificate. it will validate the remote certificate from the fingerprint | 16:14 |
| Nicd- | or rather I will ask the user to validate the fingerprint | 16:14 |
| coderus | Nicd-: you need to get server client certificate | 16:14 |
| coderus | if you call ignore your connection will be unencrypted | 16:15 |
| Nicd- | coderus: it's perfectly ok to use self-signed certificates, it does not mean the connection is unencrypted | 16:15 |
| coderus | afaik it does | 16:15 |
| coderus | let somebody more experienced to consult :) | 16:15 |
| coderus | itsxaos: afaik he doesnt | 16:16 |
| coderus | you can meet him on TMO forum | 16:16 |
| itsxaos | ah | 16:16 |
| itsxaos | thx | 16:16 |
| coderus | Nicd-: ping me if you got 100% trusted answer please | 16:17 |
| Nicd- | coderus: http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/8110/what-are-the-risks-of-self-signing-a-certificate-for-ssl | 16:17 |
| * coderus looking for proper custom QAbstractListModel filtering example | 16:17 | |
| Nicd- | coderus: "Unless you inspect the certificate and verify the thumbprint matches what you expect, you can not be certain ..." | 16:18 |
| stephg | coderus: they're technically still safe | 16:18 |
| Nicd- | the point here is that I control both the client and the server so I *can* check the fingerprint | 16:18 |
| coderus | Nicd-: its okay. i'm talking about ignoring option in Qt QSslSocket | 16:18 |
| stephg | you just don't have a 3rd party to say that Nicd- is who he says he is ;) | 16:18 |
| stephg | or rather, that he asked for the cert | 16:19 |
| itsxaos | do you know why i cant install something because it says libc.so is missing? I'd really appreciate it, but you probably need more than that to tell me what's wrong :D | 16:19 |
| stephg | itsxaos: the thing you're trying to install, where was it built? | 16:19 |
| coderus | itsxaos: you need to show more details for answer | 16:19 |
| stephg | (and is it built for x86 not arm) | 16:19 |
| Nicd- | coderus: ignoreSslErrors() just tells the socket to ignore the *errors*, it will still create an encrypted connection (this does not mean it's secure, that's what the user must verify) | 16:20 |
| itsxaos | well no clue, but it is from the warehouse app... | 16:20 |
| stephg | ah, which package then is it? | 16:20 |
| itsxaos | so it was built for jolla, i would think | 16:21 |
| itsxaos | ... metasploit... | 16:21 |
| Yaniel | Nicd-: what is the problem with refusing, asking the user and retrying if the user says so? | 16:21 |
| itsxaos | i promise i know not to do anything stupid with it, don't worry about that | 16:22 |
| Nicd- | Yaniel: it feels like a workaround, I would much prefer to keep the connection alive | 16:22 |
| coderus | Nicd-: also, if its you who controlling both server and client and expecting ssl error, doesnt you just skip it by default? | 16:22 |
| Nicd- | coderus: of course not, the error might not be what I expect | 16:22 |
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| Nicd- | there might be someone listening in the middle, so I need to verify that it's *my* self-signed cert | 16:23 |
| coderus | Nicd-: you verifing it by asking user accept crt or not? | 16:26 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: yes | 16:32 |
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| stephg | hm Oops no networks found | 16:42 |
| stephg | nothing written to wpa_supplicant.log for 5 hours now it seems. before I disable/reenable the wireless should I look for anything else? | 16:44 |
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| artemma | Acce, Jonni : thanks | 16:47 |
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| coderus | QSortFilterProxyModel rulezzz. Use it! | 17:24 |
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| tortoisedoc | jee | 17:34 |
| tortoisedoc | update 5 | 17:34 |
| tortoisedoc | that's meego +2 :P | 17:34 |
| artemma | coderus: indeed, a cools one! I like it's easy sorting | 17:36 |
| artemma | Is there some theme icon for indicating DONE? Like a checkmark? | 17:36 |
| * artemma is browsing the theme images.. | 17:37 | |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi: when is the sdk update due? | 17:37 |
| xaos_ | okay guys does anyone know why i can't install NielDK's metasploit? I get the error message (when im trying to install with warehouse) that libc.so is missing :/ | 17:37 |
| artemma | graphic-tutorial-welldone.png maybe? | 17:37 |
| xaos_ | i googled and that library should be on here, right? | 17:38 |
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| merlin1991 | tbr: are you gonna copy the 1.0.4.20 chum packages to 1.0.5.16 or should I do a new request? | 17:54 |
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| coderus | artemma: icon-m-certificates | 18:26 |
| coderus | im' using this one | 18:27 |
| artemma | yeah, looks good, thanks | 18:27 |
| artemma | I found icon-header-accept as well | 18:27 |
| artemma | adds more glow | 18:27 |
| artemma | if you are into it :) | 18:27 |
| coderus | depends on purpose :) | 18:28 |
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| artemma | icon-m-certificates can be filled with e.g. green color though | 18:31 |
| artemma | though I can add green circle to icon-header-accept as well | 18:31 |
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| artemma | okay, primitive ambience changer is ready. Now to the party and wrap for harbour tomorrow probably | 18:34 |
| artemma | then will proceed to the fun part - changing many times a day on schedule | 18:34 |
| Turski | is there really no ambience directory under $HOME? | 18:37 |
| Turski | do i really need to push my custom ambience to /usr/share/ambience to be able to use it? | 18:38 |
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| Turski | btw, is someone actually following nemomobile bugtracker? can't see any activity on this trivial issue https://github.com/nemomobile/mapplauncherd/issues/22 | 18:53 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 18:56 |
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| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : any public ETA on sdk update available? | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | tortoisedoc: i don't know about sdk sorry, that'd be jake9xx | 18:57 |
| locusf | its been 4 months tomorrow | 18:58 |
| tortoisedoc | thanks no prob | 18:58 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf : ah true :D | 18:58 |
| tortoisedoc | should get ready then | 18:58 |
| locusf | you can compile the sources from github if you have to muscle on your computer + the disk space | 18:58 |
| special | Turski: mmm. do you have a patch? :p | 18:58 |
| zoldyck | where can I install CAcert root cert in Sailfish? | 18:59 |
| tortoisedoc | locusf : i do, but I am lacking a) time b) interest | 19:00 |
| tortoisedoc | can focus on more important things instead :) | 19:00 |
| * tortoisedoc hopes sdk update fixes debugging issues | 19:00 | |
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| tortoisedoc | hmm | 19:02 |
| tortoisedoc | lame question : opengles barebone app is not accepted in harbour, right? | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | well no such thing as barebones opengles app | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | there's always some wayland involved | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | try? | 19:03 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 19:08 |
| Turski | special: nope, i don't know how to set up needed environment to build that stuff | 19:08 |
| tortoisedoc | so linking against ogles2 does not exist? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | -lGLESv2 | 19:09 |
| Turski | special: or at least i thought that it's so much easier for a developer to do that fix that i wouldn't bother setting that up | 19:12 |
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| phaeron | Turski: I remember some other tools had different behavior also when posixly correct is changed | 19:12 |
| phaeron | Turski: which breaks some things like backup application | 19:13 |
| Turski | phaeron: do you mean that it breaks if posixly correct is unset? | 19:14 |
| phaeron | Turski: I don't remember which way it went , but try looking at df output with and without the env var | 19:15 |
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| phaeron | for example | 19:15 |
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| Turski | phaeron: since invoker leaves the posixly correct set by default | 19:15 |
| phaeron | deztructor would know exactly what the bug was when he is around | 19:16 |
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| merlin1991 | my first reaction upon reading the bug was, maybe it is set for a reason? | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 19:21 |
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| special | it's a legitimate bug | 19:22 |
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| artemma | Proof of Jolla being a descendant of Nokia: Nokia lingo-English dictionary: "beta" means "alpha", "release" - "beta", "update 1 after release" - "release", "update 2 after release" - "maybe I'll recommend it to friends" | 19:23 |
| Nicd- | hehe | 19:26 |
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| Turski | merlin1991: you can see in source why it's set | 19:30 |
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| Turski | merlin1991: looks like i didn't mention it in that bug, but at TJC i mentioned this: https://github.com/nemomobile/mapplauncherd/blob/master/src/invoker/invoker.c#L672 | 19:31 |
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| merlin1991 | lbt: https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=python3-requests&project=home%3Amerlin1991%3Achum%3A1.0.5.16&repository=1.0.5.16_armv7hl | 20:27 |
| merlin1991 | obs or jolla issue? | 20:27 |
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| Shingetsu | hello all, anyone alive? | 21:04 |
| leszek | yeah | 21:04 |
| Shingetsu | well that's great! | 21:05 |
| Shingetsu | I'd like to try porting sailfish over to my device, but I've never done work with phones (though I am specialized in *nix and C/C++, so there's a decent chance I can get there) | 21:05 |
| Shingetsu | could someone point me in the right direction? | 21:05 |
| kengu | me. alive, yes. helpful in your problem, no. | 21:06 |
| leszek | I would recommend the asking the mer & nemo team or taking a look there as sailfish os is basically based on mer & nemo | 21:07 |
| leszek | -the | 21:07 |
| Shingetsu | I'm guessing more about mer, since nemo only shared part of its code. But that'd be essentially mer, then there's the headache of getting actual sailfish UI on top of that, but I'll ask them, thanks ^^ | 21:08 |
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| leszek | Shingetsu: for what I know getting the sailfish ui installed should be not too hard as they are packages as rpms. replacing the default shell however is something I don'tknow about | 21:10 |
| Shingetsu | I'm guessing default shell isn't bash? | 21:10 |
| Shingetsu | oh you mean UI shell | 21:10 |
| leszek | yep | 21:11 |
| Shingetsu | if mer is using any gentoo init or systemd that'd be gr8 (xdm is very easy to operate) | 21:11 |
| Shingetsu | but if it has its own init system ... idk | 21:11 |
| leszek | I guess they are also using systemd | 21:12 |
| Shingetsu | with systemd replacing a shell is simple work | 21:12 |
| kengu | what device? | 21:12 |
| Shingetsu | kengu, HTC Incredible S | 21:13 |
| Shingetsu | it's legacy and I checked on XDA and others to make sure there's no development yet | 21:13 |
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| tbr | merlin1991: did lbt create a new chum yet? | 21:15 |
| merlin1991 | tbr: yes new chum is there | 21:16 |
| merlin1991 | but atm one can't build against sailfish because release.jolla.com is giving nothing out over https | 21:17 |
| tbr | mkay | 21:17 |
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| merlin1991 | or at least my build failed some time ago | 21:17 |
| merlin1991 | but I should retry, wonder how though | 21:18 |
| merlin1991 | how do I reschedule a package for build? | 21:18 |
| tbr | I'm not that good at it | 21:18 |
| merlin1991 | any obs user who know how to reschedule a package for build without changing a file (the last build due to an obs error) | 21:21 |
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| coderus | is it bug when pushing page from attached page draw three pagestack indicators instead of two when pushing page from first page? | 21:25 |
| lbt | merlin1991: ?? | 21:27 |
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| lbt | I did a test build before updating chum - I may need to prod it though. Jollas release repos don't play nice for some reason | 21:27 |
| merlin1991 | lbt I've built against the chum target on obs and got "400 remote error: connect to releases.jolla.com 443 timeout" | 21:27 |
| lbt | try an osc rebuild now | 21:28 |
| lbt | I just restarted the reposerver | 21:28 |
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| merlin1991 | no way todo it via the webinterface? I currently cant use osc (win) | 21:28 |
| lbt | what proj/pkg ? | 21:29 |
| merlin1991 | https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=home%3Amerlin1991%3Achum%3A1.0.5.16 | 21:30 |
| lbt | there used to be a way on the bottom of the build log screen - it may be broken | 21:30 |
| coderus | old, but: http://stick.gk2.sk/2009/05/osc-under-windows-and-mac-os-x/ | 21:30 |
| lbt | lets see https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor?project=home%3Amerlin1991%3Achum%3A1.0.5.16 | 21:31 |
| merlin1991 | ah so you gave it a kick :) | 21:31 |
| lbt | yes :) | 21:31 |
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| merlin1991 | thanks :) | 21:31 |
| merlin1991 | seems to work | 21:31 |
| lbt | ok ... and tbr if that happens I just need to prod the repserver. I hope the new OBS will have better code in that area | 21:32 |
| merlin1991 | so tbr you can start working on https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.5.16 ;) | 21:34 |
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| tbr | merlin1991: certainly not tonight. I'm off to bed. | 21:36 |
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| aironeous | Since the April monthly was just released for Jolla phones should we expect the Nexus 4 image soon? If I had to guess I would say 2 weeks to a month after the Jolla monthly comes out it gets put into the Nexus 4 port but I really don't know. | 23:53 |
| aironeous | Just curious | 23:53 |
| aironeous | I'm a fan and I'm excited. Can't wait for you to release that developer kit for porting to various android devices. That will seriously rock. Thanks for all your hard work. I was a Nokia phone buyer since the beginning so I know you guys have history in making phones | 23:56 |
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