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| itsxaos | Okay guys i have a relatively serious problem: my Android apps wont start! i press the icon, the cover pops up, it says "loading...." and then it just crashes! | 00:03 |
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| itsxaos | can noone help me? i guess ill ask again when its day | 00:06 |
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| william_gen | hi,guys,what's sailfish(Mer)'s mechanism to mount EMMC or sd-crad?vold? | 02:07 |
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| timoph | hello hippies | 07:07 |
| matrixx | 'lo o/ | 07:08 |
| matrixx | I'm creating bunch of contextmenu items into menu of combobox dynamically, how I can I get the box to show them? | 07:09 |
| matrixx | not it's just empty menu :( | 07:09 |
| matrixx | they are created as the the ContextMenu as their parent, shouldn't they become visible? | 07:10 |
| timoph | intuition would argue so | 07:12 |
| timoph | (no idea how it works in practice) | 07:12 |
| matrixx | other components seem to appear normally (just like in qml) | 07:13 |
| matrixx | but this contextmenu act somehow fishy | 07:13 |
| timoph | buggy? | 07:13 |
| matrixx | maybe it helps if I hide during creation of the items and show only after they are ready | 07:13 |
| matrixx | let's try that before making final conclusions | 07:14 |
| timoph | yeah. could be that it doesn't do a refresh after it is created | 07:14 |
| timoph | what would be a bug imo | 07:14 |
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| matrixx | hmm, found this: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001424.html | 07:17 |
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| matrixx | though this workaround doesn't work for me, I don't have any static items | 07:18 |
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| timoph | so it needs at least one static item? | 07:18 |
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| matrixx | it seems so | 07:19 |
| matrixx | maybe I need to create one item having text "-----" | 07:19 |
| timoph | :) | 07:19 |
| matrixx | or a word "select" | 07:19 |
| matrixx | or something :) | 07:20 |
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| timoph | "meh." | 07:20 |
| timoph | or a link to a bug report | 07:20 |
| matrixx | yeah is a bit meh, but since this is for the spaceship stuff, I don't have time to do that right now :D | 07:20 |
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| matrixx | need to write it down though and create laer | 07:20 |
| matrixx | later | 07:20 |
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| matrixx | hmm, I didn't get the static item workaround even work | 07:26 |
| matrixx | need to try the repeater one next | 07:26 |
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| matrixx | omg, the repeater workaround is ok, I didn't even think to use that originally since it didn't come into my mind to use my javascript source as a repeater model | 07:34 |
| matrixx | but this is even better than the js dynamic creation I earlier had | 07:35 |
| timoph | :) | 07:35 |
| matrixx | though I still think the original issue is a bug :) | 07:35 |
| timoph | yep | 07:36 |
| * Stskeeps plays with samsung galaxy gear with android on it | 07:36 | |
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| matrixx | Stskeeps: can we have sailfish on it? ;) | 07:37 |
| matrixx | then I would buy one, not before :) | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: well, yes, but i haven't made a proper port yet | 07:37 |
| timoph | played around with galaxy and Qt yesterday and now creator crashes every time I try to deploy :) | 07:37 |
| Stskeeps | i had qt cinematic experience running | 07:37 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: wow that's a cool start | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | but it's not too stable | 07:38 |
| matrixx | :/ | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | not 100% sure why yet | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | i am reinstalling it atm, taking a detour past it to try where android goes wrong on smartwatches | 07:38 |
| matrixx | let's hope it nothing that can't be fixed | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | so it's replicatable | 07:38 |
| Stskeeps | but yeah, i had it running mer already | 07:39 |
| matrixx | \o/ | 07:39 |
| timoph | for me current wearable things are mostly meh since they just seem to be an additional limited interface to your phone | 07:40 |
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| squidd | I like old skool watches more <3 | 07:41 |
| squidd | There just isnt anything looking good in smartwatches | 07:41 |
| Stskeeps | i'd like this particular one but the kernel is not available properly: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX1790-4073.shtml | 07:41 |
| matrixx | timoph: I agree, I would like the watch to be independent so I can leave my phone home when running | 07:41 |
| timoph | yes | 07:41 |
| timoph | currently using suunto ambit as my watch | 07:42 |
| squidd | I think Moto 360 looks pretty good but it doesnt like my jolla :O | 07:42 |
| matrixx | and also sportstracker integration is a must :) | 07:42 |
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| matrixx | would like a combination of a great sportswatch + phone extensions (notifications etc) + fancy fashion watch looks | 07:43 |
| matrixx | have been planning to post my "dream watch" into tjc, but haven't had time to do that yet | 07:44 |
| timoph | yep. for me the important bit is the ability do stuff without the phone. phone connection is extra stuff | 07:44 |
| matrixx | indeed | 07:45 |
| timoph | would really like a proper geocaching app on my watch | 07:45 |
| matrixx | hmm, could those have tiny tiny nano sims to work as a phone? :D | 07:45 |
| timoph | :) | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRTTpOGYsnk - http://www.chinaebot.com/showproducts.asp?id=146 | 07:46 |
| squidd | one thing thats also a problem is battery life :S | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | now that's a design i'd like to base on | 07:46 |
| matrixx | I like the pebble steel | 07:47 |
| matrixx | though it wouldn't hurt to be more feminine | 07:47 |
| squidd | matrixx: its nice but its rectangle :S | 07:47 |
| timoph | at least it's not colored like win8 | 07:48 |
| Stskeeps | matrixx: for bonus money: http://www.pearl.de/a-PX1800-1010.shtml ;) | 07:48 |
| matrixx | :D | 07:48 |
| matrixx | oh god.. now I'm here just browsing watches and I should be coding our competition entry | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | sorry :) | 07:49 |
| matrixx | back to work that is -> | 07:49 |
| Stskeeps | (fwiw the chinaebot kit above is 120 USD in china.. 299 EUR in europe.. lovely markup) | 07:49 |
| matrixx | need to take a better look another time :) | 07:49 |
| william_gen | chinaebot? | 07:51 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: http://www.chinaebot.com/showproducts.asp?id=146 | 07:51 |
| william_gen | smart watch is hot now,but I think it is not too good | 07:53 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, the UIs are horrible | 07:54 |
| william_gen | and battery life is too pool | 07:55 |
| Stskeeps | the interesting part there is that the battery charges quite quickly, too though | 07:55 |
| william_gen | if we must charge it every day or very half a day,that's crazy | 07:57 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 07:58 |
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| william_gen | just as a concept,no practicability | 08:01 |
| Stskeeps | mobile phones used to weigh 5 kg and be in a car ;) | 08:02 |
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| william_gen | motorola's?:) | 08:02 |
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| tbr | not only moto. also Mobira/Nokia, Siemens, etc... | 08:05 |
| * tbr still remembers the fixed install his dad had in the car, huuge box | 08:05 | |
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| william_gen | why MTP of sailfish os on N4 do not work? | 08:07 |
| jake9xx | tbr: it's evolution "car phone"->"portable phone"->"cell phone"-> and then on PC's : portable->laptop->ultrabook | 08:08 |
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| tbr | jake9xx: yepp | 08:09 |
| squidd | jake9xx: is laptop a pc :O | 08:09 |
| squidd | ITS A LIE | 08:09 |
| jake9xx | squidd: depends how you ask and how you define it | 08:10 |
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| jake9xx | squidd: s/how/'from who' | 08:11 |
| tbr | hardware runs software, film at 11 | 08:11 |
| jake9xx | ch? | 08:12 |
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| jake9xx | ah nm | 08:17 |
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| coderus | Jolla USB cable is too strong. I'm using it now only for changing, connecting to pc with N9 cable. | 08:26 |
| squidd | too stronk? | 08:26 |
| squidd | how so? | 08:26 |
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| coderus | hard cable | 08:36 |
| coderus | N9's much better one | 08:36 |
| Morpog_PC_ | please vote up if you have android network problems with some apps since update 5: https://together.jolla.com/question/39097/bug-some-android-apps-have-network-problems-since-update-5/ | 08:37 |
| Morpog_PC_ | squidd, it's doesn't bend that well | 08:38 |
| Morpog_PC_ | using the N9 cable too on my PC for my Jolla :) | 08:38 |
| squidd | got it | 08:38 |
| squidd | havent even tried the jolla cable :S | 08:38 |
| squidd | think its still in the box | 08:39 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC_: its working for me, but voted if you have problems :) | 08:44 |
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| coderus | N9 cable much better and so soft ^___^ | 08:45 |
| squidd | samsung cable is pretty soft too <3 | 08:46 |
| coderus | i can compare it with N9 only :) | 08:47 |
| Morpog_PC_ | thx vor voting :) | 08:49 |
| Morpog_PC_ | yeah N9 cable is great | 08:49 |
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| william_gen | [16:07:41] <william_gen> why MTP of sailfish os on N4 do not work? | 08:59 |
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| theResonant | In QML, how to automatically set the widths of some small rectangles, if I put them in a Row element of a fixed size? | 09:46 |
| theResonant | I want the rectangles to resize their widths, so that they fill the entire Row together | 09:47 |
| theResonant | the number of rectangles is dynamic, so I can't set it to 20 or something | 09:47 |
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| jpnurmi | theResonant: width: row.width / row.children.length | 09:56 |
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| coderus | QtCreator suddenly added const definition to parameters on automatic refactoring :D | 10:22 |
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| kimmoli | trying to hide pulley (as per https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-application-pitfalls.html#disabled-pulley-menus) but getting this : TypeError: Result of expression is not an object | 10:38 |
| kimmoli | only "visible: false" will hide it, but eg " visible: !myTimer.running " gives TypeError | 10:44 |
| coderus | kimmoli: seems myTimer doesnt exists :) | 10:49 |
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| coderus | at least not exists in visible area | 10:50 |
| Nicd- | kimmoli: gist your code :) | 10:50 |
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| Nicd- | so, apparently if you set wrapMode: Text.Wrap and then have a \n in your text it does not create a linefeed | 10:56 |
| Nicd- | no, that wasn't it actually | 11:01 |
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| jpnurmi | Nicd-: that should work fine. perhaps you're mixing \n with rich/styled text? | 11:02 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, it was actually StyledText so I had to put in <br> | 11:02 |
| Stskeeps | RFC: to merge updated and additional components into Mer from Nemo Middleware project -- https://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01426.html | 11:03 |
| kimmoli | Made it way-around, controlling puldown.visible from timer. works for me. | 11:03 |
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| kimmoli | and the myTimer needs to be inside SilicaFlickable{} to make it work as i first tried... | 11:17 |
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| itsxaos | Quick question, guys: How much memory does lipstick take up for you? | 12:16 |
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| itsxaos | Because mines taking quite a bit, i think, and i can't start android apps anymore | 12:18 |
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| Nicd- | anyone tried to get moment.js working with qml? | 12:35 |
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| Nicd- | probably the javascript engine just doesn't support the features it uses :/ shame | 12:46 |
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| jake9xx | Nicd-: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20080421/moment-js-in-qml ? | 12:50 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, that isn't much help except that someone has seen the same error I did | 12:51 |
| Nicd- | guess I'll just use vanilla date :/ | 12:51 |
| jake9xx | Nicd-: write a QtQuick bug to Qt-project? | 12:53 |
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| Nicd- | dunno if it's a bug, is QML supposed to support everything anyway? | 12:55 |
| jake9xx | pretty much | 12:57 |
| jake9xx | but in your case the format of date string might matter. It depends on what you get when you do get from Date() function call | 12:58 |
| Nicd- | I don't get what you mean | 12:59 |
| Nicd- | the error I'm getting is [W] unknown:14 - file:///usr/share/harbour-weechatrelay/qml/pages/SslVerifyDialog.qml:14: TypeError: Object [object Object] has no method 'moment' | 13:01 |
| Nicd- | that's when I do import "../js/moment.js" as M and then property date startDate: M.moment(); | 13:02 |
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| Nicd- | maybe QML wraps the javascript files in some way, making the functions inside methods of some object? and this would interfere with moment in some way | 13:06 |
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| Nicd- | when I import, it does actually create an object of some kind but it doesn't seem to contain anything | 13:22 |
| Nicd- | so I assume parsing the file fails silently | 13:22 |
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| John24 | hello guys | 14:37 |
| John24 | does anyone know why truncationMode does not work for cover page? | 14:37 |
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| John24 | I am trying to use truncationMode: TruncationMode.Fade but it doesn't seem to work | 14:38 |
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| coderus | camera bug: https://twitter.com/iCODeRUS/status/455356243494727680/photo/1 | 14:46 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu NOTICE: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/issues/242 | 15:20 |
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| jpnurmi | just close the issue tracker if you don't want people to report bugs | 15:25 |
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| ln- | yeah, that would sound more reasonable than to expect everyone to happen to read such a notice. | 15:30 |
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| rusty88 | hey guys any news about the compatibility with i9300 ? | 15:41 |
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| Nicd- | jake9xx: status report: I have gotten moment.js to work, but it seems nondeterministic | 15:54 |
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| Nicd- | for example: import "moment.js" as M ... then later M.init(); var a = M.moment(); var b = M.moment(); /* <-- Does not work */ var output = M.moment().format(); /* <-- Works */ | 15:56 |
| Nicd- | whoops, was supposed to edit that still | 15:56 |
| Nicd- | for example: import "moment.js" as M ... then later M.init(); var a = M.moment(); var output = a.format(); /* <-- Does not work */ var output = M.moment().format(); /* <-- Works */ | 15:56 |
| Nicd- | there's the one | 15:56 |
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| Nicd- | ah, I found the pattern for that | 16:01 |
| Nicd- | I think. apparently 'property var ...' and 'property variant ...' are not the same thing | 16:02 |
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| Nicd- | damn. now I have an obsession of getting this to work :P | 16:20 |
| Nicd- | I did it !!!!!! | 16:21 |
| Nicd- | \o/ | 16:21 |
| Nicd- | moment.js in QML, oh yeah | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | woop | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | what is moment.js? | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:23 |
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| Nicd- | Stskeeps: a nice javascript date library | 16:27 |
| Nicd- | which is consistent against different js engines and has nice timezone support | 16:27 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 16:27 |
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| Nicd- | had to download the unminified source and modify it a bit for it to run | 16:29 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | anyone got the front camera working from own app? | 16:36 |
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| Titan_Arum | when is the next release of the nexus 4 port? | 17:36 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, hopefully during next week | 17:37 |
| Stskeeps | as update5 came out | 17:37 |
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| Titan_Arum | awesome. do you know if there will be call audio? | 17:38 |
| Stskeeps | there will be, yes | 17:40 |
| oszika05 | and what about the music? | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | define music | 17:41 |
| oszika05 | Because, in the prev. build music and video wasn't worked | 17:41 |
| oszika05 | :D | 17:41 |
| Stskeeps | ah, well, it's rather that mp3 codecs weren't there | 17:41 |
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| oszika05 | And will they there in the next build? :D | 17:43 |
| tbr | just use ogg (vorbis), if that was properly enabled | 17:43 |
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| oszika05 | thanks, I will try it :D | 17:43 |
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| Stskeeps | oszika05: so, long story short, mp3 codec needs somebody to pay for the license | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | and this is not yet paid by the project/jolla or the user | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | video is a different matter | 17:44 |
| Stskeeps | as it's just not wired up | 17:44 |
| oszika05 | Ok, thanks :D | 17:45 |
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| Nicd- | I've succeeded in nicely integrating moment.js (could work for an arbitrary js library too) so that it doesn't look like a kludge :) I'll write up instructions soon | 17:50 |
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| avivbyo | So a new update is up . it means that another sailfish for N4 release is coming | 18:36 |
| avivbyo | ? | 18:36 |
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| Stskeeps | avivbyo: yes, during week | 18:44 |
| avivbyo | Awesome | 18:45 |
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| petersen77 | #firexfoxos | 18:52 |
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| Stskeeps | probably misspelled and on wrong network :) | 18:55 |
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| tbr | they are on irc.mozilla.org | 18:56 |
| tbr | in #gaia and #b2g | 18:56 |
| tbr | at least they were a year ago | 18:56 |
| petersen77 | Wrong window. Sorry | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | no problem :) | 18:58 |
| petersen77 | Any news about sailfish OS for SGS3 (i9305)? | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | petersen77: we'll probably do a refresh update for nexus4 to match update5 and then look at i9305 again | 19:00 |
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| petersen77 | My client died. Any news about SGS3? | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | [21:00] <Stskeeps> petersen77: we'll probably do a refresh update for nexus4 to match update5 and then look at i9305 again | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | i have some bugs to fix in 3g data on it, so | 19:06 |
| petersen77 | Ok. Thanks. No problem | 19:07 |
| artemma | How would you do a radio button set in sailfish? | 19:07 |
| * artemma wants to replace ComboBox with something always shown: long press to make a choice takes way too much time | 19:07 | |
| Acce | just wire up some textswitches into a RadioBox component? | 19:08 |
| artemma | TextSwitch... yeah, maybe | 19:08 |
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| * artemma thinks Silica control docs have to include screenshots, I always forget which controls looks like what | 19:09 | |
| artemma | Anybody up for creating a TJC request for adding screenshots to docs? | 19:09 |
| artemma | Acce: thx. TextSwitches + a Label for a heading seem to make an OK looking radio set | 19:17 |
| Acce | you're welcome, I didn't do much here :) | 19:17 |
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| artemma | on a side note I find it somewhat sad that in Sailfish supposedly focused so much on gestures, lightness and ability to half-do things and cancel (by sliding), designers chose a super-slow and breaking flow long-press as the main UI paradigm for "more details" | 19:18 |
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| artemma | feels more kind'a like Windows | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | flamewar topic of the night: https://twitter.com/stskeeps/status/455427151509323776 | 19:32 |
| artemma | Stskeeps: is there really a flamewar about it? :/ | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, let's see | 19:32 |
| artemma | I had understanding there are already plenty of apps like that since even Symbian times | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | it's about leaving the C++ and ABI problems out of application model | 19:33 |
| * artemma has several nearly 100% QML apps as well | 19:33 | |
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| artemma | well, what's missing is that some APIs are in C++ only for now (e.g. file access or DBUS), you just need to wrap and lift them to QML :) | 19:34 |
| sharpneli | The idea is good. In practice it suffers from relatively cumbersome OpenCL API and the fact that absolute majority of OpenCL implementations are horrible. | 19:34 |
| artemma | okay, maybe I am a little oversimplifying that there could be no flame at all. In fact right now I am thinking if I can move even daemon-like functions to qml now and the answer is not that clear | 19:35 |
| sharpneli | Also while OpenCL does have a task API it's not really suited for high speed serial computations. One just cannot beat C++ made game engine as an example with QML + OpenCL combo. | 19:36 |
| artemma | intensive system API use and unclear ways for QML performance optimizations (e.g. try optimizing the way and order of grid loading 100 images; think garbage collector too) are the biggest things pulling me to C++ | 19:37 |
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| sharpneli | Yeah. While OpenCL would solve the raw performance problem (by using the CPU as the device for serial heavy computations) it doesn't help with the usage of system level api's. | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | i've often thought about something like portable native client | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | but never got around to factually prototyping it | 19:47 |
| sharpneli | Portable as in across processor archs? | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, sec.. | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | file:///home/carsten/Downloads/pnacl%20(2).pdf | 19:48 |
| sharpneli | I wonder how it would work nowadays. Just distribute stuff as LLVM IR and then compile at installation time. | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | err.. | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | http://src.chromium.org/viewvc/native_client/data/site/pnacl.pdf | 19:48 |
| Stskeeps | .. no | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | http://nativeclient.googlecode.com/svn/data/site/pnacl.pdf | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | friggen google | 19:49 |
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| sharpneli | Yah. Though with an app ecosystem one can ignore their heavy focus on security | 19:50 |
| sharpneli | As all applications in an app store are verified | 19:50 |
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| sharpneli | For a replacement of the current one simply needs to use clang as the default compiler, grab the IR and distribute that and perform the final compilation on target device at installation time. | 19:52 |
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| sharpneli | That would actually be awesome for several reasons. In Android one never can really use NEON etc because there is this single device somewhere that doesn't support them etc. | 19:52 |
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| Stskeeps | IR isn't portable fwiw | 19:53 |
| sharpneli | But that would also give a new chip with new instructions immediately some benefit from it | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | but that's what PNaCl does | 19:53 |
| sharpneli | Hm? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | it compiles it all to same ABI | 19:53 |
| sharpneli | Ewww. PNaCL is 32bit only. | 19:54 |
| sharpneli | But yeah you're correct. | 19:55 |
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| artemma | phone is not responding, close? - Close. voivecall-ui has crashed :) | 22:15 |
| * artemma thought phone should have some super-hight priortiy | 22:15 | |
| artemma | ah, that's just ui | 22:15 |
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| artemma | ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-dailyambience/qml/pages/MainPage.qml] Import 'QtDocGallery 5.0' is not allowed | 23:13 |
| artemma | ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-dailyambience/qml/pages/MainPage.qml] Import 'org.nemomobile.thumbnailer 1.0' is not allowed | 23:13 |
| artemma | rrr! I am pretty sure I checked it just a few days ago and these were allowed! | 23:13 |
| artemma | a recent change simultaneous with the last update? | 23:14 |
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| artemma | Damned that's ufair | 23:14 |
| artemma | and how on earth are we supposed to read photos if QtDocGallery is not available? | 23:14 |
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