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| Stskeeps | https://together.jolla.com/question/38508/release-notes-software-version-10516-paarlampi/ | 08:17 |
| coderus | kimmoli: ping | 08:17 |
| kimmoli | pong? | 08:17 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: thanks, already updating right now :) | 08:18 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: do you fixed keyboard toh input? | 08:18 |
| kimmoli | it should be fixed (not me) | 08:18 |
| coderus | ? gone? :) | 08:19 |
| stephg | another nice picture :) | 08:20 |
| stephg | for next month btw, are there any lakes that begin with 'Q'? | 08:20 |
| sharpneli | Not in Finland. | 08:20 |
| pp | "Ku.*(lampi|järvi)" probably exists | 08:21 |
| pp | Qsamojärvi? | 08:21 |
| kimmoli | :) | 08:21 |
| coderus | kimmoli: just got an idea to make input proxy in maliit keyboard. send keyboard events to proxy, not emulate keypress, and do proper acctions on maliit keyboard side | 08:22 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: new update published? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: yes, rolling out atm | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | hoping nexus 4 update soon, too | 08:26 |
| william_gen | my net speed is pool to go to jolla.com | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: are you in hong kong or china, by the way? | 08:27 |
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| william_gen | Stskeeps: plan porting new update to nexus4? | 08:31 |
| kimmoli | coderus: hmm. Now i use uinput, as i didn't want to to touch maliit itself. | 08:31 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 08:31 |
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| stephg | wow reading the bug list on tjc | 08:33 |
| stephg | so many that we (well I) weren't aware of | 08:33 |
| iekku | :) | 08:33 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: the next EA of sailfish for nexus4 can voice call? | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | william_gen: yes | 08:34 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: you can make qmlplugin and use it in your keyboard directly | 08:34 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: and more function? | 08:35 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: i tried to look for that, but ended up in to a very rocky road... | 08:35 |
| william_gen | Stskeeps: or which bugs will be solved? | 08:36 |
| kimmoli | and decided to do it with "my way" | 08:36 |
| chem|st | anyone up for some ofono hickup? | 08:38 |
| chem|st | I just hit update in events and the device went red LED, reproducable first time it was vcardconverter[25441]: [W] QtVersit::QVCard30Writer::encodeVersitProperty:107 - Variant value is a QStringList but the property's value type is neither CompoundType or ListType | 08:39 |
| chem|st | QtVersit::QVCard30Writer::encodeVersitProperty:107 - Variant value is a QStringList but the property's value type is neither CompoundType or ListType | 08:39 |
| chem|st | the second time was | 08:39 |
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| chem|st | dbus[543]: [system] Rejected send message, 5 matched rules; type="method_return", sender=":1.11" (uid=0 pid=822 comm="/usr/sbin/ofonod -n --noplugin=dun_gw,hfp,hfp_ag ") interface="(un | 08:39 |
| william_gen | more function and which bugs solved to the next EA of sailfish for nexus4 | 08:41 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: no problem if it fixed now :) | 08:46 |
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| coderus | installed update | 08:47 |
| coderus | after reboot it said "should reinstall android apps la-la-la" | 08:47 |
| coderus | now i see progress indicator on andoid icons | 08:48 |
| coderus | ybut probably nothing happening | 08:48 |
| chem|st | as this is the easter update... any eastereggs? | 08:48 |
| coderus | ah no, journalctl says apks are updating | 08:49 |
| pp | coderus: takes several minutes | 08:49 |
| coderus | just no indication per apps | 08:49 |
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| Jonni | coderus: yes it can take a while to reinstall all the apks in the background.... took 30 mins for me (but I have a lot of apps installed) | 08:54 |
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| chem|st | do we finally have eduroam support? my device isn't connecting to EAP network with manual settings | 08:58 |
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| coderus | for me its about 15 minutes :) | 09:13 |
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| chem|st | [WLAN EDUROAM] were does it pull the settings from? I just deleted all settings from the folders but they get pulled in from somewhere else | 09:22 |
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| coderus | Morpog: ping | 09:52 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 09:58 |
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| leszek | hi | 10:06 |
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| stephg | think android is a fair bit better Stskeeps | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | hmm? | 10:43 |
| stephg | you'd asked earlier | 10:43 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 10:43 |
| stephg | seems smoother, faster | 10:43 |
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| roboro | leszek: hi... did you upgrade yet? | 11:06 |
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| leszek | roboro: yeah upgraded | 11:08 |
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| roboro | mmm I found all the video streams for my TVHeadFish seem to have stopped working | 11:09 |
| leszek | everything seems a little bit faster and I did not had a wayland crash or reboot yet | 11:09 |
| roboro | I am getting audio... but no video | 11:09 |
| roboro | so I guess gstreamer update | 11:09 |
| leszek | roboro: My test on some videos with my videoPlayer worked fine | 11:10 |
| roboro | mmmm need to do some debugging... if I work out what's going on... I'll let you know... since I lifted some of your code for my player | 11:11 |
| roboro | :D | 11:11 |
| leszek | youtube video streams are also working fine. Tested webm video and its working fine aswell as h264(mp4) | 11:11 |
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| roboro | yeah... tried your player on youtube... was looking good | 11:12 |
| roboro | let me find out what is coming through from my tvheadend server and then let you know | 11:12 |
| leszek | roboro: ok you are right. rtsp streams seem not to work anymore | 11:15 |
| roboro | mmmm... | 11:15 |
| leszek | at least I also get only audio on some | 11:16 |
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| roboro | leszek: weird video codec is mpeg-2 and I'm getting a 'No decoder available for type' message... | 12:26 |
| roboro | I checked what I have installed... and gst-plugins-bad is there | 12:26 |
| roboro | apparently the mpeg2 codec stuff is in that | 12:26 |
| roboro | or its meant to be | 12:26 |
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| tbr | roboro: use gst-inspect to verify that | 12:30 |
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| roboro | mmm the ffmpeg decoder is meant to be available | 12:31 |
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| roboro | mpegtsdemux is also there :( | 12:34 |
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| roboro | that said... running gst-launch from the command line gives me: Missing element: MPEG-2 Video decoder | 12:40 |
| dr_gogeta86 | hi Sfiet_Konstantin | 12:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | upgrade or not | 12:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello dr_gogeta86 | 12:41 |
| dr_gogeta86 | meanwhile i can't become root anymore :-( | 12:42 |
| roboro | Sfiet_Konstantin: hi... | 12:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello everybody | 12:42 |
| roboro | Sfiet_Konstantin: I was thinking that you might want to incorporate this into your patches: https://together.jolla.com/question/1355/display-contact-number-in-call-history/ | 12:43 |
| roboro | see the last answer there | 12:43 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | roboro: feel free to package it as a patch | 12:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you don't need me ;) | 12:45 |
| * roboro looks at the patchmanager pages to see how to do this | 12:47 | |
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| Morpog | coderus pong | 12:57 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | roboro: you can look at source | 13:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | check pandora-box source for instance, it's my collection of patches | 13:15 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Sfiet_Konstantin: may i query u ? | 13:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dr_gogeta86: about ? | 13:21 |
| coderus | Morpog: can you make mitakuuluu icon as map marker? | 13:21 |
| Morpog | like icon-m-location? | 13:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | pandora | 13:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dr_gogeta86: what do you want ? :D | 13:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Sfiet_Konstantin: you find a way to extend toggles ? | 13:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ala unrestricted ui ? | 13:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dr_gogeta86: I'm thinking of it, but first, I would love to fix annoying bugs like why the hell is this volume slider not showing up :D | 13:23 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | ouch | 13:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dr_gogeta86: technically though, you can already start in writing switches | 13:25 |
| dr_gogeta86 | from today i want honegap for sailfish ui | 13:25 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *from today i want phonegap for sailfish ui | 13:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | since I use jolla settings framework for the control center, if you write a jolla settings switch, it will appear automatically | 13:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (maybe a reboot needed but it should work easily)* | 13:25 |
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| Morpog | coderus, here you go: https://db.tt/kjBs6jE9 made it in same size as icon-m-location | 13:41 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog: so cute and awesome <3 | 13:47 |
| Morpog | oh thx Sfiet_Konstantin | 13:51 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog: looks really good ;) | 13:52 |
| coderus | Morpog: need outline: https://coderus.openrepos.net/staticmaplite/staticmap.php?center=55.16546,61.36392&zoom=14&size=480x300&markers=55.16546,61.36392,mitakuuluu&maptype=mapnik | 13:54 |
| coderus | Morpog: and sorry, didnt noticed you before | 13:55 |
| coderus | bottom-left corner is active in marker | 13:55 |
| Morpog | do you have some opacity in there? | 13:55 |
| Morpog | oh, so should i rotate it? | 13:56 |
| Morpog | but then it just looks like normal mitakuuluu icon | 13:56 |
| coderus | Morpog: probably, but dont rotate pnone icon | 13:56 |
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| coderus | Morpog: nvm, just moved active point ot middle of width | 13:58 |
| coderus | but image should be edited | 13:58 |
| Morpog | ok, so I add an outline | 13:58 |
| coderus | it should be visible anyway :) | 13:58 |
| Morpog | sure you have no opacity involved there? | 13:59 |
| Morpog | inside is 100% visible and plain white | 13:59 |
| coderus | no opacity | 13:59 |
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| Morpog | coderus, two more variations, icon-location-mitakuuluu2 is with wihite outline, icon-location-mitakuuluu3 is without outline but inverted: https://db.tt/kjBs6jE9 | 14:13 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Morpog: but something like this ?https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-zt2JXcJl_34/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAXk/WGGTh1mXoNg/s120-c/photo.jpg | 14:15 |
| Morpog | well, dr_gogeta86 I just made what coderus wanted ;) | 14:16 |
| lbt | PSA OBS has latest SailfishOS and sailfishos:latest is now 1.0.5.16 | 14:16 |
| dr_gogeta86 | lbt: i'm scared to upgrade | 14:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i read some bad tweets right now | 14:18 |
| Morpog | went totally fine for me | 14:18 |
| lbt | dr_gogeta86: which ? | 14:19 |
| coderus | Morpog: https://coderus.openrepos.net/staticmaplite/staticmap.php?center=55.16546,61.36392&zoom=14&size=480x300&markers=55.16546,61.36392,mitakuuluu4&maptype=mapnik https://coderus.openrepos.net/staticmaplite/staticmap.php?center=55.16546,61.36392&zoom=14&size=480x300&markers=55.16546,61.36392,mitakuuluu3&maptype=mapnik | 14:19 |
| Morpog | hmmmm | 14:20 |
| coderus | maybe colored outline or more dark? | 14:20 |
| Morpog | let me check how it looks in officiam maps application | 14:20 |
| dr_gogeta86 | lbt: wrong ui | 14:21 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ui glitches | 14:21 |
| Morpog | coderus, the seem to color it with highlight color | 14:21 |
| Morpog | they | 14:21 |
| lbt | dr_gogeta86: links - not seen/heard of any issues myself | 14:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | twitter search jolla | 14:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | #Jolla update 5 have new ugly thing in UI: dark efect on top of lockscreen - broke many Ambiences. For example Terminal UI Ambience. :\ | 14:22 |
| dr_gogeta86 | #Jolla update 5 return back ugly things in UI: dropout fonts, fat pulley line, dots ... maybe work for patchmanager. :) | 14:23 |
| lbt | hehe ... it doesn't take long for people to not want change does it :) | 14:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | people want's harmattan | 14:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is clear | 14:24 |
| Morpog | hmm, looks same for me as in update 4 | 14:24 |
| lbt | Morpog: the UI changes are not exactly flashing pink neon ... a few pixels here and there. | 14:25 |
| Morpog | sounded like when reading that tweets, lol | 14:25 |
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| coderus | Morpog: i cant dynamically highlught, its for my static map you see by link | 14:30 |
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| Morpog | aah, ok, thought that was inside mitakuuluu :D | 14:31 |
| coderus | hm | 14:33 |
| coderus | drawing marker over map image? | 14:34 |
| coderus | will try | 14:34 |
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| matrixx | Hi o/ | 14:47 |
| matrixx | anyone who can debug problems on sdk in win8? | 14:47 |
| matrixx | I have a problem when running qmake and I'm getting an error: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.gDtxOS: line 34: : command not found | 14:48 |
| matrixx | didn't come with some earlier sdk version | 14:48 |
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| tbr | hmmm can you pastebin a bit more? | 14:48 |
| matrixx | http://pastie.org/9072956 | 14:48 |
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| crnd | matrixx, did you remove the old sdk before installing the new one? | 14:57 |
| Morpog | coderus, made some variations: http://abload.de/img/staticmapldsuq.png | 14:57 |
| matrixx | crnd: I didn't have any version before in this machine | 14:57 |
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| mikma | so. i installed latest firmware. started well because i got 3 random shutdowns in 30mins. wheeeee!½ | 14:58 |
| Morpog | if you like one of these: https://db.tt/kjBs6jE9 | 14:58 |
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| artemma | Is there a way to see Android's logcat on jolla? I want to check if Android app I want crashes because of no Google services or not | 15:00 |
| * artemma seems to remember that he saw Jolla's logcat once somehow, but can't recall how I did that | 15:01 | |
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| artemma | ah, /opt/alien/system/bin/logcat on ssh | 15:04 |
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| artemma | nah doesn't look like a lack of Google services: E/AndroidRuntime(15360): java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to start receiver net.easypark.android.widgets.RemainingTimeProvider: java.lang.NullPointerException | 15:06 |
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| tbr | matrixx: try building this one and compare logs https://github.com/sailfishapps/sailfish-calculator | 15:09 |
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| coderus | Morpog: dropbox? | 15:13 |
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| Morpog | <Morpog> if you like one of these: https://db.tt/kjBs6jE9 | 15:14 |
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| coderus | Thanks :) | 15:14 |
| coderus | will test and you'll see it in next update :) | 15:15 |
| Morpog | :) | 15:15 |
| matrixx | tbr: thanks, it seems to work, so maybe my project has some kind of legacy structure which just won't work anymore with newer sdk | 15:16 |
| matrixx | -> new project and copy code from the old | 15:16 |
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| artemma | nah, even newest apk oh easypark doesn't work, sigh | 15:20 |
| artemma | E/AndroidRuntime(15910): Caused by: java.lang.NullPointerException | 15:20 |
| artemma | E/AndroidRuntime(15910): at net.easypark.android.widgets.RemainingTimeProvider.onReceive(RemainingTimeProvider.java:47) | 15:20 |
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| artemma | or maybe that is some timing Android-Sailfish bridge that doesn't work? | 15:26 |
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| matrixx | tbr: thanks, your irl tip worked :) | 15:39 |
| tbr | :D | 15:39 |
| tbr | (create new project from scratch and copy over sources) | 15:40 |
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| Almindor | how is an app supposed to be closed if the "swipe from top" is turned off in the latest version of sailfish OS? | 16:39 |
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| tbr | Almindor: long press in the running app grid on the app | 16:39 |
| Almindor | tbr: so only from the overview then? | 16:39 |
| tbr | that's my guess | 16:39 |
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| Stskeeps | there's a setting if you love it, though | 16:40 |
| Almindor | yeah I was asking as an app developer | 16:40 |
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| Almindor | was wondering if there was supposed to be some "close" functionality now | 16:41 |
| Acce | Almindor: I think the option is there just to satisfy some old N9 users, who didn't want to get used to it | 16:42 |
| Almindor | ah | 16:42 |
| kimmoli_sailing | or android users | 16:43 |
| Almindor | well it does get destructive in games | 16:43 |
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| Almindor | I think apps should have an option to be "fullscreen" with no gestures | 16:44 |
| Almindor | with some sort of indicator of course, so when you open an app like that you'd get a "warning" of some non-intrusive sort | 16:45 |
| Almindor | like a 1-2s blended overlay | 16:45 |
| Almindor | problem is how to handle | 16:45 |
| Almindor | hangs :) | 16:45 |
| artemma | Hmm, I guess app can intercept all of the events if it likes effectively blocking all system gestures | 16:45 |
| Almindor | well if you play chro.mono or Heebo you know what I mean :) | 16:46 |
| artemma | or are touches exactly next to the screen edge somehow being delivered straight to the system? | 16:46 |
| Almindor | I closed/minimized those games to many times by accident | 16:46 |
| Almindor | *to/so | 16:46 |
| Almindor | I think they need to be | 16:46 |
| Almindor | otherwise hung apps would brick the phone | 16:46 |
| Almindor | but I think a "press+hold and push from edge" option should be maybe introduced | 16:47 |
| artemma | yeah, I think there's tiny touch area close to edge that's actually beyond display | 16:47 |
| Almindor | good enough for games and still prevents freezes | 16:47 |
| artemma | though.. how would it be porrted to nexus hardware then? | 16:47 |
| Almindor | no it's just the OS doing it first | 16:47 |
| Almindor | it only forwards to the app if it doesn't think it's an edge-gesture I think | 16:47 |
| artemma | ah, possible | 16:48 |
| Almindor | but a press-hold+swipe option would solve this for games | 16:48 |
| artemma | but could mean noticeable delay then? | 16:48 |
| Almindor | so you'd have to press for 1+ seconds first and then swipe | 16:48 |
| Almindor | nah | 16:48 |
| Almindor | that's like milliseconds at most | 16:48 |
| Almindor | + it probably just does a "is it at the complete edge" check first | 16:49 |
| Almindor | forwards that | 16:49 |
| Almindor | and only if it's considered a gesture then it takes control | 16:49 |
| artemma | sounds logical | 16:49 |
| Almindor | I'm just guessing tho, that's how I'd do it | 16:49 |
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| simbrown | Is there a way with pkcon I can find out which files a pacage installs? | 17:21 |
| sledges | simbrown: rpm -ql RPM | 17:23 |
| sledges | or package name instead of RPM | 17:23 |
| sledges | this is a good one: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman_Rosetta | 17:24 |
| simbrown | sledges: Thanks. | 17:25 |
| sledges | yw | 17:25 |
| simbrown | Strangely the answer is no files | 17:25 |
| simbrown | I wonder what libhybris-sbj-libOpenCL-0.0.0.35-10.9.1.jolla.armv7hl is | 17:25 |
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| Nicd- | so here's my QML: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/60ab59c100f6109f262c | 17:34 |
| Nicd- | when I push that page on the stack, I get the error [W] unknown:111 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/PageStack.js:111: TypeError: Cannot read property 'parent' of null | 17:34 |
| Nicd- | it's probably something silly | 17:35 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: can you take a look? | 17:40 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Nicd-: I get this all the time in Friends | 17:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ignore it | 17:43 |
| walokra | Sfiet_Konstantin: does "sorting applications in launcher" in patchmanager mean that you can sort all your installed apps? | 17:45 |
| walokra | that would be excellent feature as with 3 pages of apps it's hard to find what you need | 17:46 |
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| Nicd- | Sfiet_Konstantin: oh, ok | 17:46 |
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| Nicd- | SfietKonstantin: problem is that it doesn't want to create the page at all :/ | 17:56 |
| SfietKonstantin | Nicd-: are you sure | 17:56 |
| SfietKonstantin | ? | 17:56 |
| SfietKonstantin | Nicd-: try without line 17-19 ? | 17:57 |
| Nicd- | well no page appears on the screen | 17:57 |
| SfietKonstantin | what happens ? | 17:57 |
| SfietKonstantin | Nicd-: you might want to wrap your signal handler in a Connection component | 17:58 |
| SfietKonstantin | !rtfm Connections | 17:58 |
| Merbot` | SfietKonstantin: Error: "rtfm" is not a valid command. | 17:58 |
| qtassistant | SfietKonstantin: Connections | QtQml 5.2 - http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtqml-connections.html | 17:58 |
| SfietKonstantin | Nicd-: ^ | 17:59 |
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| kimmoli | can i somehow detect that pullmenu is being activated (ie pulled down but nothing selected yet)? | 18:00 |
| Nicd- | SfietKonstantin: thanks, I'll take a look at that link. the qt documentation is pretty terrible, it's not easy to find what I want | 18:02 |
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| kimmoli | RTFM PullDownMenu has property 'active' which is true when pulling | 18:27 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: link is not valid | 18:37 |
| Nicd- | coderus: I deleted it already | 18:39 |
| Nicd- | I got it working with SfietKonstantin's Connections element | 18:39 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 18:44 |
| dr_gogeta86 | phonegap | 18:45 |
| dr_gogeta86 | stimulate me | 18:46 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: ah, okay. didnt read all conversation, busy at moment | 18:53 |
| Nicd- | coderus: thanks anyway :) | 18:54 |
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| coderus | rewriting mitakuuluu totally :) | 19:05 |
| Nicd- | :o | 19:05 |
| coderus | it will be over 9000 better :D | 19:06 |
| dr_gogeta86 | as telepathy plugin ? | 19:08 |
| Morpog | coderus, yay \o/ | 19:08 |
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| coderus | dr_gogeta86: no. it will be released as firmware to microwave overn. | 19:11 |
| coderus | oven* | 19:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i did a nagios notify method with yowsup | 19:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | my collegues hit me the next day | 19:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | f*ck d*bag | 19:13 |
| dr_gogeta86 | even on whatsapp that shit | 19:13 |
| coderus | anyone can explain what dr_gogeta86 means? | 19:14 |
| Nicd- | hmm, "Component objects cannot declare new functions" | 19:17 |
| Nicd- | I want to create a custom component with functions that are only relevant when using it, how is this usually done? | 19:18 |
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| varben | Hi there, never used irc, the only reason is my desire to be included on the early adopters list for this interesting and good looking os | 19:23 |
| dr_gogeta86 | coderus: you said next mita will be released as microwave firmware | 19:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i did it even worse | 19:24 |
| Nicd- | varben: /msg sledges with your email and other information (including what devices you have) | 19:24 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've use tgalal yowsup library as nagios notification agent at work | 19:24 |
| varben | Hopefully this is the right place to ask to be included in that lost and use sailfishos on, my nexus 4 and grouper. | 19:24 |
| varben | Sorry lost=list | 19:25 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: emmm | 19:32 |
| coderus | Nicd-: what> | 19:32 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: ? | 19:32 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: ? | 19:33 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: >> I want to create a custom component with functions that are only relevant when using it, how is this usually done? | 19:33 |
| coderus | Nicd-: wtf you doing? | 19:34 |
| Nicd- | yeah | 19:34 |
| Nicd- | well I thought that since I'm going to have many pages with a scrolling text list component, I might as well make a generic version of it and use it in all the pages | 19:34 |
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| Nicd- | so I figured I should just put it in its own file inside a Component { } | 19:35 |
| coderus | Component is just object storage | 19:35 |
| Nicd- | anyway, I have a SilicaListView inside the Component | 19:36 |
| Nicd- | so I thought I would be able to put functions inside the Component too, which would then act as an API for the SilicaListView | 19:37 |
| coderus | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-component.html | 19:37 |
| coderus | i see you dont know QML basics and trying to coding | 19:37 |
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| coderus | not programming, just coding :D | 19:38 |
| Nicd- | I'm trying to read qml docs but they're really not that good :/ | 19:39 |
| Nicd- | and yeah, I've read that page | 19:39 |
| coderus | The Component element encapsulates a QML component definition. | 19:40 |
| coderus | > encapsulates | 19:40 |
| coderus | Component cant contain any other properties and functions than id | 19:41 |
| coderus | you need to create your own listview object with base functions | 19:42 |
| Nicd- | I wouldn't have guessed that from 'encapsulates'. I now did spot "the Component type essentially allows QML components to be defined inline" though so I'm trying something | 19:42 |
| Nicd- | it worked \o/ thanks coderus | 19:44 |
| coderus | learn harder :) | 19:44 |
| Nicd- | I just had to remove the Component {} from around the SilicaListView and put my functions inside the SilicaListView | 19:45 |
| Nicd- | then I use it as MyFileName { } in my pages | 19:45 |
| Nicd- | I do have to be honest, learning QML has been surprisingly hard for me | 19:46 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: how many programming languages you know? | 19:53 |
| Nicd- | coderus: tough to count. QML isn't really programming though. the problem I have is with the documentation and the lack of good examples | 19:55 |
| artemma | yeah, qml is half-markup, half-programming | 19:56 |
| * artemma likes it this way though: declaring as much can be declared efficiently, but no more | 19:56 | |
| artemma | at least that's how I see QML | 19:57 |
| coderus | Nicd-: ask please. how many? | 20:00 |
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| coderus | s/ask/answer :D | 20:01 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: know or have written something in? | 20:02 |
| coderus | can write something in and understand | 20:03 |
| coderus | you said it hard, i just mean it depends on your common experience | 20:04 |
| Nicd- | off the top of my head 15 + mircscript + brainfuck | 20:06 |
| coderus | then i cant understand why its hard for you :) | 20:06 |
| Nicd- | well as I said, it's not programming :P | 20:06 |
| coderus | maybe just need more practice :) | 20:07 |
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| Nicd- | it's markup which means it's completely different from programming languages and most of the time I can't deduce how to do something based on my programming knowledge | 20:08 |
| Nicd- | instead I would need an example which the docs don't have much of | 20:08 |
| Nicd- | and half the google results I get are for qt4 which might or might not work in qt5 (rather not waste my time by testing :P) | 20:09 |
| Nicd- | so I appreciate all the help coderus :) | 20:10 |
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| artemma | Amazing article on how exactly a clever and polite app should ask for permissions (hint: let *user* request permissions). Hope, that will be a UI standard when Sailfish gets permissions in use https://medium.com/p/96fa4eb54f2c | 20:20 |
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| * Stskeeps clicks send to kindle | 20:21 | |
| artemma | Nicd-: IRC is very helpful on qml (having great set of examples online would help as well). BTW, almost everything if not everything in QML since 4.8 should work in Qt5. I copy-paste most of such examples without doubt | 20:21 |
| artemma | hmm, shall somebody create a request on TJC for creating something like Nokia developer wiki? - That grew up into quite an amazing resource full of good examples and kind people | 20:23 |
| artemma | almost all it took was giving out labels such as Champion of a month or something like this and a tiny bit of prizes | 20:23 |
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| artemma | Guys, what do you think is the best position for most/least important menu item in pulley menu? | 20:30 |
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| Stskeeps | personal opinion: go by most often used; most often used is first | 20:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:30 |
| artemma | I sometimes think that least important actions like About should be on the bottom, because, well, that's Western culture way and what all other user experience suggests | 20:31 |
| artemma | But then the bottom one is first to pull | 20:31 |
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| * artemma only learned NOT to put the destructive action to the bottom. Hitting "new tweet" by accident very often when scrolling Tweetian to the top | 20:32 | |
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| artemma | Stskeeps: "most often used is first" meaning top or bottom? :) | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | meaning first item you hit | 20:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:32 |
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| * artemma went to browse Jolla own apps.. | 20:32 | |
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| artemma | Indeed most important ones seem to be in the bottom | 20:34 |
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| artemma | coderus: you use very cool scrolling bar with positioning in Mitäkuuluu. Is it something of your own or some public component? | 21:00 |
| * artemma is thinking about scrolling through hundreds of images | 21:00 | |
| artemma | Morpog: ping | 21:02 |
| Morpog | pong | 21:03 |
| artemma | Morpog: tweetian has a cool icon apparently done by you | 21:04 |
| artemma | one that scrolls everything u | 21:04 |
| artemma | p | 21:04 |
| Morpog | ? | 21:04 |
| artemma | https://github.com/veskuh/Tweetian/blob/sailfish-port/icons/icon-ll-up.png | 21:04 |
| artemma | https://github.com/veskuh/Tweetian/blob/sailfish-port/icons/icon-ll-up.png | 21:04 |
| artemma | mike7b4 20 days ago new icon by morpog also change toppadding | 21:04 |
| Morpog | ah that one, yep | 21:04 |
| artemma | if I get it correctly it's licensed under GPL as the rest of the tweetian | 21:05 |
| artemma | any chance to get it under another license? | 21:05 |
| Morpog | well, yeah, I didn't care about it :D | 21:05 |
| * artemma will gladly refer to you, but wouldn't like to make my whole app GPL | 21:06 | |
| Morpog | normally my work is always cc-by | 21:06 |
| artemma | well, if you like to share this particular icon as cc-by, I will happily refer to you, just tell how you like to be referred | 21:07 |
| artemma | that is if I use the icon (considering options for fast scrolling to top now) | 21:07 |
| Morpog | hopefully tehre will be a sailfishos solution for that soon | 21:07 |
| artemma | I am not sure if there could be a standard solution for it :/ | 21:08 |
| Morpog | just @Morpog or Morpog in freenode is enough | 21:08 |
| artemma | general practice on the web e.g. for flickr pics seems to be to say "photo by @authorName" linked to the page with the photo | 21:08 |
| Morpog | the tweetian idea is nice, although I would have positioned it at the bottom | 21:08 |
| artemma | okay, got it, thanks! | 21:08 |
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| artemma | is there a catalog of theme icons somewhere? | 21:34 |
| * artemma is usually scp'ing whole theme to some temporary folder, later deletes it and then tries to recall the location of theme foder again.. | 21:34 | |
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| * artemma_ Mac rebooted on trying to open one of the Jolla theme's cover icons :) | 21:58 | |
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| sjn | \o | 22:49 |
| sjn | I think I've managed to muck up permissions settings in my ~nemo homedir (Jolla), anyone know if there's an overview of what these are supposed to be? (e.g. a list/script with where and what to chown, chgrp, and chod to) | 22:53 |
| sjn | chmod* | 22:53 |
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| Turski | (why have you even been messing with them) | 22:56 |
| sjn | Turski: factory reset + restore of old files from a tarball | 22:57 |
| Turski | sjn: well, generally everything should be owned by nemo, but some directories should have priviledged as group | 22:59 |
| sledges | sjn: sudo tar --numeric-owner -xf .... | 22:59 |
| sledges | ? | 22:59 |
| sjn | sledges: nah, I mucked around a little more than that, including trying to "fix" stuff with a recursive chown :-\ | 23:01 |
| sjn | should the files that have a "privileged" group also be writable for the group? | 23:03 |
| * sjn would guess so | 23:03 | |
| * sjn is getting a bunch of warnings in the log | 23:06 | |
| sjn | SailfishKeyProvider_ini_read: unable to open file | 23:06 |
| sjn | (from lipstick, when I try to set up the jolla user) | 23:07 |
| sjn | jolla s/user/store account/ | 23:07 |
| sledges | sjn: is your tarball mucked already? | 23:08 |
| sjn | probably | 23:10 |
| sjn | did a plain tar cvf /path/to/sdcard/backup.tgz nemo/ -- from /home as root | 23:11 |
| sjn | zcvf | 23:11 |
| sledges | sjn: suffice to untar on your host pc to check check perms/ownerships | 23:11 |
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| sjn | the "SailfishKeyProvider_ini_read" function... where can I find it? | 23:34 |
| sjn | can't seem to get any obvioously good hits on google | 23:35 |
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| sledges | grep your /usr/lib/ for starters | 23:37 |
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| sjn | sledges: no published source code? | 23:40 |
| sledges | best lxr is on your phone with strings and grep | 23:40 |
| sledges | afterwards you perform `rpm -qf FILE` and see if package is in the open (mer/nemo) or not | 23:41 |
| sjn | ok | 23:41 |
| sjn | I'll try that | 23:41 |
| sledges | have fun :) | 23:41 |
| sjn | hmf | 23:46 |
| sjn | seems the settings program crashes a lot now | 23:46 |
| sjn | can't even remove my other accounts | 23:46 |
| sledges | sjn: anything in the logs? | 23:47 |
| * sjn is also struggling with a crappy wlan network to the phone | 23:53 | |
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