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| Jumblemuddle | How soon will I be able to install sailfish on my galaxyS4? I hear that it will eventually be able to be run on non jolla phones. I'm curious how long this will take. | 06:40 |
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| Stskeeps | we'll first start out with porters and early adoptors, then in end of this half of year to users directly | 06:41 |
| Jumblemuddle | Stskeeps: Ok, cool. I'm super excited! :D | 06:42 |
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| suy | walokra: I think is safe to assume that import QtQuick 2.1, because that's Qt 5.1. If you don't need any features of 5.1, importing Qt Quick 2.0 should be fine. | 11:14 |
| suy | Is not only about the features anyway. AFAIK, the imports also allow to introduce behaviour changes without breaking previous code. | 11:14 |
| suy | But I don't know if they've introduced any behaviour change; I doubt it. | 11:14 |
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| avivbyo | Can i somehow use a webcam as camera with the SDK? (Want to test Fishagram filter ability to capture.) | 11:40 |
| Stskeeps | avivbyo: see what happens if you wire it up with the usb in emulator maybe | 11:41 |
| avivbyo | I plugged it , although seems like the emulator don't have any camera app or libs or anything related (My app just quit back home) | 11:42 |
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| Armadillo | hi | 12:05 |
| Marenz | Hi | 12:06 |
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| ed-beo | hi, would this be a good place to ask about the state of supported/semi-supported android devices for sailfish OS | 12:10 |
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| pp_ | Jolla is fully supported! :-) | 12:15 |
| Armadillo | ed-beo currently there's no official support for any devices | 12:15 |
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| Juuba | except Jollamobile | 12:16 |
| Juuba | ;) | 12:16 |
| ed-beo | heh, granted that jolla is | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | ed-beo: in practice people sign up to be early adaptors atm, we focus on nexus 4 and galaxy s iii lte at first | 12:17 |
| ed-beo | but i've seen that some work is being done on nexus 4 ? i understand it's nothing official but some progress | 12:17 |
| ed-beo | Stskeeps, right that's what I was looking for | 12:17 |
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| ed-beo | Stskeeps, might there be any future for the Note series? | 12:18 |
| Stskeeps | ed-beo: does cyanogenmod 10.1 run on it? | 12:18 |
| ed-beo | on a note 2 it runs | 12:19 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 12:19 |
| ed-beo | do not know about the Note3 though | 12:19 |
| Stskeeps | note 2 is a exynos? | 12:19 |
| ed-beo | Stskeeps, Exynos 4412 Quad 1.6Ghz Cortex-A9 | 12:20 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 12:21 |
| Stskeeps | so comparable to sgs iii | 12:21 |
| Armadillo | they have the same I think | 12:22 |
| ed-beo | only it has 2gb of ram and Mali-400mp not mali-400 and the s-pen | 12:22 |
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| ed-beo | my bad, i looked at the sgs III mini specs | 12:23 |
| Armadillo | on some sites the S3 also has the MP one | 12:23 |
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| ed-beo | yeah, their the same, sgs III just has a lower cpu clock | 12:25 |
| ed-beo | and a GB less ram | 12:25 |
| Armadillo | this should not be a problem iI hope :) | 12:26 |
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| Armadillo | Stskeeps is the idea to support as many devices as possible or will there be a concentration on the "mainstream" chipsets? | 12:29 |
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| Stskeeps | Armadillo: we'll be doing two things: how to do the porting and then two initial official adaptations | 12:31 |
| ed-beo | Stskeeps, is there an estimated date for the offical adaptions? | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | i think we'd like to base on next update at least | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | so first after that | 12:32 |
| Stskeeps | the videos can be seen from MWC though | 12:32 |
| Armadillo | thanks | 12:33 |
| Armadillo | still hoping I can get Sailfish running on my Motorola Photon Q slider | 12:33 |
| Stskeeps | does it run cyanogenmod 10.1 | 12:33 |
| Armadillo | yes | 12:34 |
| tbr | which SoC is that? | 12:34 |
| Armadillo | but it's a qualcom chipset | 12:34 |
| tbr | if it's not ancient, good chances | 12:34 |
| ed-beo | thanks, I'm going to get my jolla from helsinki next weekend, but a note 2 would be perfect hardware for me | 12:34 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: can you explain what exactly you are doing a bit? :D You clearly aren't selling phones nor apparently SW. | 12:34 |
| Yaniel | So something like RedHat? | 12:34 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: so, i can explain it like i did in MWC | 12:34 |
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| Yaniel | I wasn't there nor have I had time to go through any videos, please do | 12:35 |
| Armadillo | it's a MSM8960 with the Adreno 225 I think | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | Armadillo: 320 i really hope | 12:35 |
| Stskeeps | Yaniel: unless you have a shipping product in the hands of consumers, that has passed certification and mobile provider testing / field tests, nobody is going to take your mobile OS seriously | 12:35 |
| Yaniel | sure | 12:36 |
| Yaniel | but shipping products is afaik not what you want to focus on | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | they're a way to get income | 12:36 |
| Stskeeps | http://jenson.org/we-need-more-communism/ - start from "Look at it this way" | 12:37 |
| Stskeeps | SailfishOS is a road idea | 12:37 |
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| Yaniel | so.. your device can be considered sort of a "reference design"? | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | sort-of, but that'd be unfair to say | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | a lot of love put into it, too | 12:41 |
| Stskeeps | platform flagship? | 12:41 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: you had to come up with something vaguely nautic there. wouldn't have been right otherwise. :D | 12:47 |
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| pp_ | I hope there are no submarine patents torpedoing the effort! | 12:49 |
| Armadillo | CPU-Z also reports an Adreno 225 :-/ | 12:50 |
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| Stskeeps | Armadillo: ok, not end of world | 12:50 |
| Stskeeps | libhybris was developed on 225 | 12:50 |
| Armadillo | Sailfish made me an Android noob | 12:51 |
| Armadillo | every time I use an Android device I'm trying to use gestures... | 12:51 |
| Yaniel | Armadillo: same with anything that has a touchscreen that goes blank after a period of inactivity | 12:52 |
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| stephg | okies | 12:52 |
| stephg | gah | 12:52 |
| stephg | ignore me | 12:52 |
| Armadillo | Yaniel hehe :FD | 12:52 |
| Armadillo | :D | 12:52 |
| Armadillo | stephg done :x | 12:52 |
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| avivbyo | Got a lil' question , Heard that Jolla will release a launcher for android . Some one knows when will it come out? | 13:40 |
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| Stskeeps | when it's ready | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:43 |
| Armadillo | :) | 13:44 |
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| suy | http://www.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/p/keep-calm-and-release-when-ready/ Some with time and artistic skills, feel free to add a sailfish icon and stuff :) | 13:57 |
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| m4g0g | why sailfish browser has so awful work with tabs? | 14:20 |
| m4g0g | this is not tabs - this is bookmarks because each time openning tab - page reloaded | 14:21 |
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| m4g0g | what do you think about new 1.0 version. Does SDK will updated too? | 14:32 |
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| m4g0g | hm..answer about tabs: https://together.jolla.com/question/373/tab-reloading-browser-settings/ | 14:40 |
| m4g0g | ok | 14:40 |
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| suy | Mmm, that's strange... firefox on my nexus7 seems to keep in memory several "tabs". Is my workaround for browsing things split in several pages on the bus, since it doesn't have connectivity. | 14:58 |
| suy | But the tabs seem to reload. So maybe the rendered content is destroyed, but the contents of the page kept and re-parsed and re-rendered. | 14:58 |
| Yaniel | that sounds plausible | 15:03 |
| Yaniel | it does not make much sense to keep around framebuffers for each tab especially if you are memory constrained to begin with | 15:04 |
| Stskeeps | we only do one page at a time atm | 15:04 |
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| Acce | as a workaround, save the pages on the internal flash and load them from there? no idea how slow that would be though | 15:06 |
| Acce | and you would need to implement it to the browser, obviously | 15:07 |
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| suy | saving to flash for a browser might do too many writes for a flash, I suppose | 15:28 |
| suy | we should infiltrate a mole in mozilla to convince them to port firefox to qt :-P | 15:28 |
| juhe | Mam jednu 58.8MB max, z 20 februara (neviem kedy si menil ten session config). | 15:29 |
| juhe | oops, wrong window :-O | 15:29 |
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| jake9xx | coderus: testing the upcoming sw release with latest mitäkuuluu and it seems it does not recognize new messages always. But, you can debug it soon with a real device :) | 15:40 |
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| ChimChim | Hi guys :) | 15:45 |
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| bentz | hi | 16:38 |
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| thrakcattack | u | 18:53 |
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| artemma | I am trying to make a library used by a sailfish app (mostly a learning example) and linkers tells RPM build errors: | 19:56 |
| artemma | i486-meego-linux-gnu-ld: //usr/lib/Scrt1.o: relocation R_386_GOTOFF against undefined | 19:56 |
| artemma | can't understand what it's about :/ | 19:56 |
| artemma | and I have created a sailfish lib for my app in the past.. | 19:57 |
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| artemma | could somebody have a look at https://github.com/amarchen/libLinkingTrial ? | 20:00 |
| artemma | it is as simple as I could get it. An app calling a library with a single function. Yet doesn't link | 20:00 |
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| tanghus | why does https://sailfishos.org redirect to https://brand.akzonobel.com/account/videos/ ? | 20:21 |
| special | doesn't here | 20:22 |
| tanghus | That's very weird | 20:22 |
| special | what IP does sailfish.org resolve to for you? | 20:22 |
| tanghus | special: 54.228.198.89 | 20:22 |
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| special | sailfishos.org* | 20:23 |
| special | I get the same IP. | 20:23 |
| special | what browser? | 20:23 |
| tanghus | FF 27 | 20:24 |
| special | also the same | 20:24 |
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| special | is it an actual HTTP redirect? | 20:24 |
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| fk_lx | everything ok with sailfishos.org on my side also ;-) | 20:24 |
| tanghus | Hmm, dunno. | 20:25 |
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| special | curl -D - https://sailfishos.org/ | 20:25 |
| tanghus | Wonder if it's http://www.unblock-us.com/ that's messing with me | 20:26 |
| kimmoli | artemma: http://gcc.gnu.org/faq.html#vtables (after few iterations i got error with hint could point here .. but i'm interested in this example when you get it building :) ) | 20:26 |
| special | plausible | 20:27 |
| tortoisedoc | hrm | 20:27 |
| tortoisedoc | any way to get qml debugging over gdb? | 20:28 |
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| tortoisedoc | crap this impossibility to debug from qtcreator can slow one down alot :/ | 20:29 |
| artemma | kimmoli: checking.. yeah, I googled something about proper compiler flags when compiling libraries, can't exactly see how to apply them to Qt project. Thought there should be a simpler way | 20:30 |
| tanghus | weird it works on phone even using same DNS | 20:31 |
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| tanghus | And after restarting Firefox all's good. *baffled* | 20:32 |
| CvP | . | 20:32 |
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| Stskeeps | tanghus: good to see good old DR is properly covering us :P | 20:33 |
| Stskeeps | tanghus: i spotted immediately at MWC they were danish and switched to danish immediately :P | 20:33 |
| tanghus | Stskeeps: yes, I was positively suprised by their coveredge | 20:33 |
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| tanghus | Stskeeps: You didn't know him from soeinding on DR? | 20:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | Who's DR? | 20:35 |
| tanghus | tortoisedoc: Danish broadcasting company | 20:35 |
| tortoisedoc | oh :D | 20:36 |
| artemma | arrgh! i486-meego-linux-gnu-ld: //usr/lib/Scrt1.o: relocation R_386_GOTOFF against undefined symbol `__libc_csu_fini' can not be used when making a shared object | 20:36 |
| artemma | when trying to link simplest possible app to my simplest possible library | 20:36 |
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| Kimmoli_sailing_ | too simple? .. | 20:36 |
| artemma | what the heck is __libc_csu_fini? | 20:36 |
| Stskeeps | artemma: -shared ? | 20:37 |
| artemma | @Stskeeps .so files are generated | 20:37 |
| artemma | https://github.com/amarchen/libLinkingTrial | 20:37 |
| artemma | yes, shared | 20:37 |
| artemma | or shall I somewhere in .pro specify explicitly that it is a shared lib? | 20:38 |
| * artemma doesn't understand how another example of his builds, but this one doesn't.. | 20:38 | |
| Stskeeps | err.. why does your liblinkingtrial have a main method | 20:39 |
| artemma | @Stskeeps otherwise linker was rejecting it | 20:39 |
| Stskeeps | i need to see that build log | 20:39 |
| artemma | it was looking for the main() somehow | 20:39 |
| artemma | one moment, Ill clean and rebuild | 20:39 |
| artemma | @Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/pJN02u9w | 20:40 |
| artemma | hmm.. if linker of a lib was looking for main(), then. my library is somehow not fully a library? | 20:41 |
| artemma | yep, removal of main() from library makes linker tell: //usr/lib/Scrt1.o: In function `_start': (.text+0x28): undefined reference to `main' | 20:43 |
| artemma | who declares it I wonder.. | 20:43 |
| tortoisedoc | artemma : do you have CONFIG + static in your .pro? | 20:43 |
| tortoisedoc | CONFIG += static that is | 20:43 |
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| artemma | tortoisedoc: nope | 20:43 |
| artemma | aha | 20:43 |
| artemma | trying | 20:43 |
| tortoisedoc | wait | 20:44 |
| tortoisedoc | that's gonna make it a static lib | 20:44 |
| tortoisedoc | if i remember correctly at least heh | 20:44 |
| artemma | I wanted a dynamic lib actually.. but static one could be good enough | 20:44 |
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| artemma | tortoisedoc: thanks, now lib and app compile. In the static way probably. | 20:45 |
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| artemma | reading docs, there seems to be shared as well. I'll try it | 20:45 |
| artemma | yep, indeed, now it generates static .a | 20:46 |
| artemma | no, config += shared didn't help :) linker is still looking for main() | 20:47 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 20:47 |
| tortoisedoc | anyone knows a way to autodeploy debug symbols to the emulator? | 20:47 |
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| artemma | hmm, but then config += static does generate .so and app is linked if library has main() method :/ Interesting. Maybe good enough for me | 20:48 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm | 20:50 |
| tortoisedoc | one sec | 20:50 |
| tortoisedoc | ok | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc | TEMPLATE = lib CONFIG += staticlib | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc | this is what I used the last time | 20:51 |
| tortoisedoc | for a static lib | 20:51 |
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| artemma | tortoisedoc: docs tell static and staticlib are the same. And it works, thanks | 20:55 |
| artemma | I want to have a dynamic one: CONFIG += shared helps, but for some reason main() method is needed | 20:55 |
| artemma | I am not 100% sure it works (still fighting with packaging) | 20:55 |
| tortoisedoc | artemma how do you debug your apps?? | 20:59 |
| artemma | tortoisedoc: I don't :) | 20:59 |
| artemma | logs + tests | 20:59 |
| * artemma is a big fan of tdd | 20:59 | |
| artemma | and the current troubles are actually a side exercise on the way for giving log4qt a try | 21:00 |
| tortoisedoc | ok but tdd for qml? | 21:00 |
| artemma | tortoisedoc: I actually find it way more difficult to use tdd for cpp side in absence of decent mock frameworks :) | 21:01 |
| artemma | can't find anything working well, advices are very welcome | 21:01 |
| artemma | tortoisedoc: if you want a quickstart in tdd for qml, have a look at http://www.slideshare.net/AgileArtem/test-drivingqml-12941898 | 21:02 |
| artemma | it's a couple of years old, but still almost fully valid | 21:02 |
| artemma | except there are few mouse tricks that are sailfish specific, but you don't want to do too much on UI level anyway | 21:02 |
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| tortoisedoc | thanks | 21:07 |
| tortoisedoc | 40k downloads | 21:07 |
| tortoisedoc | wow not bad :D | 21:07 |
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| artemma | tortoisedoc: enjoy :) | 21:08 |
| artemma | there is one or two variations also with multi-K counts :) | 21:09 |
| artemma | Apparently not many people are much into studying and sharing unit testing and qml | 21:09 |
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| artemma | arrgh, I can't link again. Should have committed to vcs when had successful linking | 21:23 |
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| stephg | commit early, commit often! | 21:27 |
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| artemma | okay, it didn't really work as dynamic lib apparently. It was "working" only because there was a static lib built in the previous iteration in th build dir | 21:31 |
| artemma | undefined symbol __libc_csu_fini .. | 21:31 |
| artemma | damned, I would like to build a shared lib :) | 21:31 |
| artemma | and I was able to build shared libraries fine in the past, e.g. https://github.com/amarchen/lipstick-launchermonitor | 21:33 |
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| artemma | why can't I do it with a simple example https://github.com/amarchen/libLinkingTrial ? | 21:33 |
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