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| Yaniel | quite a persistent cat | 04:00 |
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| situ | Anyone facing problems with internet connection on the emulator ? I see an option to connect to WLAN, but I can't select it. | 05:35 |
| situ | veskuh: or it's a problem specifiec to Tweetian only ? | 05:37 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 07:16 |
| tbr | mooo | 07:17 |
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| lpotter | Ctrl->A, Delete | 07:35 |
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| Morpog_ | situ, I sometimes get that with tweetian in emulator too | 07:40 |
| Morpog_ | stopping and starting tweetian there again fixes it | 07:40 |
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| stephg | morning everyone | 08:09 |
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| Morpog_ | morning | 08:11 |
| AL13N | is it? | 08:13 |
| tbr | moaning | 08:18 |
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| coupries | hi | 08:36 |
| coupries | im interested in jolla sailfish on my nexus 4 | 08:36 |
| Stskeeps | what level of functionality do you expect to be available in first early adoptor images? | 08:37 |
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| coupries | nothing much just basic function like wifi, mobile internet, call and texting | 08:38 |
| tbr | 'basic' hehehe | 08:38 |
| zutto | ..yes, basic | 08:38 |
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| zutto | :P | 08:38 |
| coupries | or is it? it sounds basic right? hehe | 08:39 |
| tbr | basic is "you get a ui that's working and not jerky" | 08:39 |
| tbr | what you described is a minimum viable product, which this likely isn't yet | 08:39 |
| Stskeeps | coupries: alright | 08:40 |
| coupries | i see. so the current progress s at? | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | you'll probably enjoy later images more than early ones then | 08:40 |
| Stskeeps | though texting and mobile internet actually works | 08:40 |
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| coupries | when will the later images be available? | 08:42 |
| Stskeeps | coupries: send sledges a /msg with your email and about being an earlier adoptor | 08:42 |
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| coupries_ | what is the current development stage of sailfish right now? is it ready to release? | 08:47 |
| Stskeeps | well, sailfishos itself is production, and in the hands of consumers | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | but hardware enablement is different from deviec to device | 08:48 |
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| coupries_ | how about nexus 4? supported? | 08:48 |
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| Stskeeps | well, basics work (gpu, power management) and modem (sms, internet) | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | but still a way to go | 08:49 |
| Stskeeps | and audio | 08:50 |
| coupries_ | how about camera? | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 08:50 |
| Stskeeps | camera is probably one of the tougher parts of a stack | 08:50 |
| coupries_ | i see. how bout the android apps? | 08:51 |
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| Stskeeps | not yet, stuff like that would come later | 08:51 |
| Stskeeps | there's a reason we say early adoptors :) | 08:51 |
| coupries_ | im really interested in this OS. that's why i wanna be part of it. | 08:52 |
| coupries_ | ^_^ | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | [09:42] <Stskeeps> coupries: send sledges a /msg with your email and about being an earlier adoptor | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | you probably missed that | 08:53 |
| Morpog_ | best way is to buy a Jolla device ;) | 08:53 |
| coupries_ | i already did | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | good | 08:53 |
| Morpog_ | even better :D | 08:53 |
| coupries_ | i mean i did msg him. the jolla device is not available in Malaysia anyway. *sigh | 08:54 |
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| avivbyo | @Stskeeps: Does GPS is working ? :) | 09:00 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm not yet but it's just qcom gps.. | 09:01 |
| tbr | btw: is there a channel yet for sailfish adaptations/ports? | 09:02 |
| Stskeeps | we'll probably start out from here initially, but not 100% clear yet | 09:03 |
| * Stskeeps looks for ways to choke people through the internet after reading a few together.* post comments | 09:04 | |
| tbr | just wondering, because platform and applications are perpendicular in many aspects | 09:04 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, that's true | 09:04 |
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| avivbyo | Is the camera is possible? like will it be fix? | 09:05 |
| tbr | avivbyo: if you fix it, it will work. This will be a community effort. | 09:05 |
| Stskeeps | avivbyo: yeah, everything is possible, just effort | 09:05 |
| avivbyo | Okay | 09:05 |
| avivbyo | It's probably a driver thing right? | 09:06 |
| avivbyo | And my lucky guess it that the port is somehow based on cyanogen (for a few libs and drivers) so guess i will try fix things myself | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | it's more of a api thing | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | ie glue | 09:07 |
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| Varmonger | How do I build my project in Sailfish SDK so that I get .rpm file? | 10:02 |
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| Morpog_ | on the left side choose your target | 10:10 |
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| Varmonger | target? | 10:11 |
| Morpog_ | armv7 --> release --> deplooy as RPM package | 10:11 |
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| Varmonger | ok | 10:11 |
| Varmonger | Cheers | 10:11 |
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| Morpog_ | then from menu: create --> Deployment (it's longer, but it's in german here, so not sure what it says in english) | 10:12 |
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| Varmonger | ok | 10:14 |
| Varmonger | Well I got these folders | 10:15 |
| Varmonger | http://prntscr.com/2x55ow | 10:15 |
| Varmonger | And the 3 rpm files I got are these | 10:15 |
| Varmonger | http://prntscr.com/2x55ro | 10:15 |
| Varmonger | tfplay is the app/project name | 10:15 |
| Morpog_ | in the RPMS folder there your .rpm should be | 10:15 |
| Varmonger | Check this link | 10:15 |
| Varmonger | http://prntscr.com/2x55ro | 10:15 |
| Morpog_ | only the top one | 10:16 |
| Varmonger | ok | 10:16 |
| Morpog_ | 12 kb | 10:16 |
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| Morpog_ | but you created it for the emulator | 10:16 |
| Varmonger | ok? | 10:16 |
| Varmonger | How can I make it work on my jolla? | 10:16 |
| Morpog_ | depends on if you want to use it on emulator or on device | 10:17 |
| Varmonger | device | 10:17 |
| Morpog_ | well, as I said choose the right target on the left side :) | 10:17 |
| Varmonger | http://prntscr.com/2x56an | 10:17 |
| Varmonger | That's what I chos | 10:17 |
| Varmonger | e | 10:17 |
| Morpog_ | aah, you haven't configured the target then when you created the project | 10:18 |
| Morpog_ | thats why you can't choose it now | 10:18 |
| Varmonger | ok? | 10:18 |
| Varmonger | So I need to create a new project? | 10:19 |
| Morpog_ | menu --> create | 10:19 |
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| Varmonger | ? | 10:19 |
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| Morpog_ | menu --> create | 10:20 |
| Morpog_ | kit selection | 10:20 |
| Morpog_ | (hopefully, as I said, german here :) ) | 10:20 |
| Morpog_ | ah, damn there you can't...... | 10:20 |
| Morpog_ | Varmonger, on the left side click on projects | 10:21 |
| Varmonger | ok | 10:21 |
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| Morpog_ | click on add kit | 10:21 |
| Morpog_ | MerSDk-SailfishOS-armv7hl | 10:21 |
| Varmonger | done | 10:21 |
| Morpog_ | now you should be able to choose it in target selection | 10:22 |
| Varmonger | Got it thank you :) | 10:23 |
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| situ | Morpog_: Restarting Tweetian does not fix the problem. | 10:42 |
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| Morpog_ | ok strange then | 10:43 |
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| Morpog_ | I'm not on latest commits here, so maybe some new bug introduced? | 10:43 |
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| situ | Morpog_: What commit you are on ? | 10:45 |
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| Morpog_ | 0fb9051f189b0342beafd06e627822aeec5fe994 | 10:46 |
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| situ | Same result, could be an issue with emulator itself. | 10:48 |
| Morpog_ | did you change network settings in virtualbox maybe? | 10:48 |
| situ | Nope | 10:49 |
| Morpog_ | I get that wlan message if I choose a not working network adapter for the emulator | 10:49 |
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| situ | I am connecting using NAT | 10:50 |
| Morpog_ | same here | 10:50 |
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| coderus | suy: i have no problems with DCMA and have no plans for mitakuuluu :) | 12:46 |
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| suy | coderus: well, good to know that you had no problems. :) do you know why other people did? because they used icons or names not very "safely"? | 12:50 |
| woernsn | does anybody know, how i can get the console.log working? tried already with ssh and 'journalctl' but didn't work.. any ideas or fiexes? | 12:54 |
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| coderus | suy: because i have not published sources of whatsapp protocol :) | 12:56 |
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| inffy | where are the user created ambiences stored? | 12:58 |
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| suy | coderus: oh, i thought that what you posted to github was all the source. Sorry then, I was confused. | 13:03 |
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| coderus | i posted just client ui sources, not whatsapp protocol :) | 13:11 |
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| Acce | woernsn: latest SDK? | 13:11 |
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| woernsn | Acce: just made the update half an hour ago | 13:12 |
| Acce | woernsn: if you have the early sdk, you need to download the 1312 alpha | 13:14 |
| woernsn | Acce: sorry for my unbelievable big stupidness.. i forgot to restart the SDK after updating it >.<' | 13:17 |
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| AL13N | got some build issues for armv7hl | 14:35 |
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| AL13N | can someone help me with this: https://together.jolla.com/question/31412/gstreamer-with-more-codecs/#post-id-31413 ? | 14:45 |
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| AL13N | something's wrong with the -march=armv7hl target... why can't the device build stuff for itself? that should be the default, shouldn't it? | 14:46 |
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| Shin_NeMeSiS | Hi, some news about the launcher for android or the early adopter program? | 16:08 |
| Shin_NeMeSiS | i see... nothing :) | 16:10 |
| elcidii | hello guys | 16:11 |
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| elcidii | can someone confirm me if dropbox is spied too? | 16:13 |
| stephg | spied? | 16:13 |
| * tbr didn't find a dropbox when scanning his SPI bus | 16:13 | |
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| kengu | it is. | 16:14 |
| elcidii | damn | 16:14 |
| elcidii | i hope jolla deal with those guys | 16:14 |
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| ChimChim | Hey guys, just came back from LAN. Expecting to see my SailfishOS build :D | 16:14 |
| Yaniel | the real question is: does younited spy on its users? | 16:15 |
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| elcidii | irc can be used for exchange files? | 16:15 |
| Yaniel | yes, with DCC | 16:16 |
| elcidii | if they do... it a crap | 16:16 |
| Yaniel | and technically you can transfer data via irc channels too, but it is quite tedious | 16:16 |
| tbr | everyone spies on everything, there is no way to be safe, abandon all hope | 16:17 |
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| kengu | younited promotes itself as "safe, secure and private" so why would it | 16:19 |
| stephg | anyone else have any trouble with usbnet and a connection loop? (unrelated to the connman loop) | 16:19 |
| Acce | kengu: if someone promotes itself with something, does it automatically mean it's a truth? | 16:20 |
| Yaniel | hey, ads are always true, especially on the internet | 16:20 |
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| Acce | Yaniel: yep, I know, I got few meters already in my pants | 16:21 |
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| elcidii | irc one to one is spied too? | 16:21 |
| kengu | Acce: nope | 16:21 |
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| Acce | elcidii: probably not, only if someone is interested in you or your keywords | 16:22 |
| elcidii | ok, thats better, and of course we can change nickname | 16:23 |
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| elcidii | but, guys explain a thing, ppl can truly acces someones computer with these channel's? | 16:25 |
| Acce | maybe, if your client software is compromised | 16:27 |
| kengu | sailfishos | 16:27 |
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| stephg | nm, bad cable | 16:32 |
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| bentz | hi | 17:24 |
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| Shin_NeMeSiS | Hi! | 17:40 |
| Yaniel | hello | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 17:40 |
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| Shin_NeMeSiS | something new? | 17:43 |
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| kimmoli | uh, seems that sailfish takes looong nap. my 1000ms Qtimer just stretched to 30 minutes | 18:27 |
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| kimmoli | have to go for libiphb | 18:28 |
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| ShadowJK | pretty much sleeps forever for me | 18:43 |
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| juke__ | too bad tha libiphb is gpl | 18:56 |
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| Acce | juke__: why? | 18:57 |
| Acce | I thought you could link agains gpl libraries | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | er. | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | it's what | 18:57 |
| juke__ | Acce, lgpl | 18:57 |
| Acce | ah | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | seems like an error in COPYING | 18:57 |
| Stskeeps | headers are LGPL | 18:57 |
| juke__ | weird | 18:59 |
| spiiroin | kimmoli: libiphb provovides just wakeup, https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-keepalive handles both wakeup + stay up | 19:00 |
| Stskeeps | juke__: thank you for giving me a heartattack | 19:00 |
| juke__ | Stskeeps, :D sorry about that | 19:01 |
| juke__ | but it does say that in COPYIONG | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 19:01 |
| juke__ | someone should open an issue about it | 19:02 |
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| Stskeeps | juke__: already poked relevant person | 19:03 |
| juke__ | nice! | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | i don't want our lawyers to also have a heart attack | 19:04 |
| juke__ | :D | 19:04 |
| M4rtinK | spiiroin: has that nemo-keepalive been already released ? | 19:05 |
| M4rtinK | spiiroin: looks like it could be handy | 19:05 |
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| spiiroin | M4rtinK: I do not think it is, but at least keeping it in mind while implementing something that needs to wakeup makes it easier to switch to it later on | 19:06 |
| spiiroin | ... if everybody has custom stuff on top of libiphb it makes things more difficult in the long run | 19:07 |
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| spiiroin | in case we need to switch services that take care of the details or something like that | 19:08 |
| M4rtinK | well, I'm slowly getting close to needing proper suspend inhibition (routing, batch tile download) | 19:08 |
| M4rtinK | so I'm looking for possibilities | 19:08 |
| spiiroin | M4rtinK: suspend blocking is already in place | 19:08 |
| M4rtinK | so what interface would you currently recommend for 1) preventing screen blanking 2) inhibiting suspend ? | 19:09 |
| spiiroin | M4rtinK: a sec .. | 19:09 |
| M4rtinK | spiiroin: BTW, I would rather like to skip C++ for this, so it should be either accessible from QML or from shell (through Python) | 19:10 |
| spiiroin | M4rtinK: there are both c++ and qml apis for keepalive, without those it is dbus and/or libipbb | 19:11 |
| spiiroin | M4rtinK: blank prevention = dbus method calls to mce, https://github.com/nemomobile/mce-dev/blob/master/include/mce/dbus-names.h#L270 | 19:12 |
| spiiroin | and suspend prevent = dbus method calls to mce, https://github.com/nemomobile/mce-dev/blob/master/include/mce/dbus-names.h#L351 | 19:12 |
| spiiroin | the former is inherited from maemo, the latter is new but similar | 19:14 |
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| bentz | hi | 19:15 |
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| M4rtinK | spiiroin: looks like org.nemomobile.dbus is installed | 19:24 |
| M4rtinK | spiiroin: so that should work for me until blanking & suspend inhibition have a proper QML interface | 19:25 |
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| spiiroin | M4rtinK: yes, but the service name is com.nokia.mce | 19:26 |
| M4rtinK | spiiroin: I mean the org.nemomobile.dbus QML DBUS module | 19:27 |
| M4rtinK | spiiroin: for accessing DBUS | 19:27 |
| spiiroin | M4rtinK: ok, assume I know nothing about QML :-) | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | spider-mario: no problem :) | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | uhm | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | spiiroin: ^^ | 19:28 |
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| M4rtinK | spiiroin: last question - how often should I call those DBUS methods ? | 19:30 |
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| M4rtinK | spiiroin: for blanking control on the N900, I think I had to call MCE every 60 seconds or so | 19:30 |
| spiiroin | for blanking pause it is hardcoded, so every 60s - but to be on the safe side something like 50 s might be better | 19:31 |
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| M4rtinK | sure one needs to account for timer lag | 19:32 |
| spiiroin | for suspend blocking you should make a query 1st (the idea is that systems that do not suspend can provide longer period, less dbus traffic needed) | 19:32 |
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| kimmoli | äh. why i'm getting this all the time "error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.pjco0q (%build)" | 19:46 |
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| M4rtinK | spiiroin: ok, thanks! :) | 19:48 |
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| Turski | kimmoli: because packaging fails? | 19:58 |
| kimmoli | but why? | 19:58 |
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| Turski | kimmoli: there's no output from that process? | 20:05 |
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| kimmoli | Turski: Nothing much. this is one of many i fail to build, http://pastebin.com/nsT3KkpG | 20:11 |
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| Turski | kimmoli: /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.7xlaD4: line 34: : command not found | 20:17 |
| Turski | i wonder what that line looks like | 20:18 |
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| kimmoli | so am i | 20:21 |
| Turski | kimmoli: take a look | 20:22 |
| Turski | kimmoli: ssh in to sdk virtual machine and check it | 20:22 |
| kimmoli | nothing there | 20:23 |
| kimmoli | mean /var/tmp is empty in mersdk and also in sb2 | 20:24 |
| Turski | damn | 20:24 |
| Turski | easy way to fix it is probably reinstall the sdk | 20:25 |
| kimmoli | no help. tried that. same occurs in two windows installations. i think i tried it also on linux, but will recheck that now | 20:26 |
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| Turski | O_o | 20:27 |
| katsick | hello everyone! can i get an alpha build to test a sailfish os on my nexus4 ? | 20:27 |
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| walokra | confusing, some projects are using qtquick 2.1 import and others 2.0. which one I should use? | 20:45 |
| kimmoli | Turski: ok, so today it builds on linux, not on windows... | 20:49 |
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| Turski | walokra: "The current release of Sailfish Silica is based on Qt 5.0 and QtQuick 2. Sailfish applications should import version 2.0 of the QtQuick module." | 21:26 |
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| Turski | walokra: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/index.html | 21:27 |
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| walokra | Turski: yeah, just that those docs are not to be trusted. there's misinformation in couple of places | 21:30 |
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| Turski | yea, i have noticed that too | 21:36 |
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| Acce | Turski: if you guys find something significant, please report here: https://together.jolla.com/question/28390/wiki-typos-inconsistencies-in-silica-reference-sdk-vs-web-reference/ | 21:47 |
| Acce | so all the typos and stuff are gathered in one place | 21:47 |
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