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| HeartMeeple | what is the easiest route to starting development for Sailfish? | 06:56 |
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| HeartMeeple | I come from a web development background mostly. right now I am doing some simple android development. | 06:57 |
| stephg | first things first I'd guess is download the sdk | 06:58 |
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| stephg | get familiar with that and the workflow | 06:58 |
| stephg | a fair number of the apps currently available for sailfish are FOSS and typically hosted on github | 06:59 |
| stephg | so you can have a good poke around them | 06:59 |
| HeartMeeple | stephg: good call. is there any good resources for understanding how the OS is organized? | 07:02 |
| HeartMeeple | Sorry about the noob questions. it is my first day knowing about sailfish and I'm pretty excited. | 07:03 |
| chriadam | http://t.co/HnmYsMFGTc has an overview of the OS at the start | 07:04 |
| stephg | is no prob, we all start somewhere and it's always great to have someone new onboard | 07:04 |
| HeartMeeple | Yeah. I'm loving the UI elements I'm seeing on sailfish. it is a brilliant use of gestures. | 07:06 |
| HeartMeeple | I do mostly front end UI work. it is incredible that the OS doesn't require fine motor skills to do everything. | 07:07 |
| HeartMeeple | I am using an android phone and even unlocking to check SMS is finicky. I tap fifty times to get anywhere. | 07:08 |
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| Acce | HeartMeeple: If you want to develop a pure HTML5 app, you can do that by putting only a single element in the main qml file, SilicaWebView, which you point to your document root | 07:53 |
| Acce | +if / when needed, it's possible to make QML functions, and that C++ functions, callable from your html javascript | 07:54 |
| Armadillo | good morning | 07:55 |
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| nahkiss | what Acce suggested sounds something that probably would work best for a somebody with web development background | 08:08 |
| nahkiss | I might actually go that route myself | 08:08 |
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| Armadillo | somebody with develpoment background could also develop qml applications | 08:11 |
| Armadillo | web development background | 08:11 |
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| Acce | Armadillo: yes, it's quite easy to pick up qml from html background, but since they're web devs, they possibly want their apps to work even when hosted on a normal web server, or on other phones | 08:21 |
| Acce | and currently HTML multiplatform support on the mobile field is better than that of Qt/QML's, I think | 08:22 |
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| Armadillo | that's true, but the problem with HTML is, that every browser interprets it on it's own way, so you have to customize it for each platform | 08:24 |
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| Armadillo | it depends on the application if it's worth to deal with the problems with the communication between html and qt/qml and the customizations needed | 08:25 |
| Acce | True currently, but I think the browser's HTML5 standardization grows better every moment | 08:26 |
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| Armadillo | we'll see what html5 is about at the end of the year | 08:27 |
| Acce | It might be that Qt/qml surpasses html5 in multiplatform standardization | 08:27 |
| Acce | if the browser makers cannot make it happen | 08:28 |
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| Armadillo | some days ago I've read an article that Android now supports qt/qml I think | 08:28 |
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| Acce | yes, but the support is still experimental | 08:29 |
| Acce | windows phone and iOS are on the list of Qt too | 08:29 |
| Acce | they're definitely coming | 08:29 |
| crashmonkey | can I get valgrind to run on device? | 08:29 |
| juhe | crashmonkey: This is something I'd be interested in as well. AFAIK, valgrind should be supported on arm7 platform, so in the worst case, if there's no package already available, it could be compiled and tried. | 08:32 |
| Acce | I tried pkcon search, but couldn't find valgrind | 08:32 |
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| crashmonkey | unfortunately, no time to start trying to compile valgrind myself | 08:34 |
| phaeron | ssu er mer-tools | 08:35 |
| phaeron | valgrind is in mer-tools | 08:35 |
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| crashmonkey | phaeron: do I need to get some credentials from jolla to access mer-tools | 08:55 |
| stephg | no | 08:55 |
| stephg | the repo is fully open | 08:56 |
| stephg | step 5 here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 | 08:56 |
| crashmonkey | stephg: thanks, missed the refresh :-) | 08:58 |
| stephg | easily done! | 08:58 |
| juhe | Does "Allow developer updates" in Settings -> Developer tools page on phone relate to Jolla's specific (closed) stuff? | 08:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, not useful for anybody else | 09:00 |
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| juhe | Stskeeps: ok, thanks | 09:00 |
| tbr | only if they ever decide to give developers preview access to updates or such | 09:00 |
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| achipa | ... how does harbour QA take usually? (I'm in my third day now) | 09:14 |
| achipa | just wondering if I should update it with a newer release or not... | 09:15 |
| Armadillo | you should not | 09:15 |
| Armadillo | my last one took 4 days over the weekend | 09:15 |
| Armadillo | the current one was submitted 3 days ago, too | 09:16 |
| Armadillo | still not approved yet | 09:16 |
| tbr | They seem to be fairly busy lately, so patience seems in order | 09:17 |
| Armadillo | yes | 09:17 |
| Armadillo | did anyone ever had an approval at the weekend? | 09:18 |
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| cos- | am i the only one with https://together.jolla.com/question/25357/logging-in-to-together-fails/ ? | 09:25 |
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| tbr | cos-: try wiping all cookies | 09:30 |
| cos- | it's still a bug in account. or together. | 09:31 |
| cos- | probably together. | 09:31 |
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| cos- | nope, clearing cookies for together and account didn't work | 09:46 |
| cos- | it still directs to the together user registration page | 09:46 |
| flux | do you have adblock? cookies disabled? other limitations? | 09:47 |
| cos- | adblock yes, no others | 09:51 |
| cos- | i'll try disabling it | 09:52 |
| cos- | nope | 09:52 |
| cos- | firefox on ubuntu 13.10 | 09:52 |
| cos- | afk lunch -> | 09:52 |
| Armadillo | Acce I solved my Dialog problem now with just in time error checking we discussed yesterday. I hope the users will enjoy this solution. | 09:53 |
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| Acce | Armadillo: good job :) | 09:56 |
| coderus | please help me remember project successfully using libhp? | 09:56 |
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| Acce | coderus: https://github.com/tanghus/kitchen-timer-qml/blob/master/qml/harbour-kitchentimer.qml ? | 10:07 |
| Acce | or did you talk about the printer library.. | 10:08 |
| Acce | sorry, just mixed libhp with libiphb | 10:08 |
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| coderus | Acce: lipiphb yes | 10:55 |
| coderus | thank you :) | 10:55 |
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| rcg | lbt, is the code of the 3d dice app open source? | 12:04 |
| rcg | nice app btw :) | 12:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | btw lbt when I open 3d dice I only see the text label and nothing else. Worked fine right after installation. | 12:04 |
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| Morpog_PC | and just after I told you this it's working again... | 12:10 |
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| stephg | Morpog_PC think it did that for me, but I may have been in bed when I was, ahem, playing | 12:15 |
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| lbt | rcg: not yet - it's a real hack atm - I'm planning to refactor it to be a viable way to have an opengl/QML/bullet template - tbh it's just a personal learning thing right now | 12:18 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: was it upside down ? | 12:18 |
| Morpog_PC | no | 12:18 |
| lbt | the dice will fall behind your viewpoint on the current version | 12:19 |
| lbt | I fixed that but even so they can fall out of visibility | 12:19 |
| gabriel9 | where is setRoleNames | 12:19 |
| Morpog_PC | lbt, maybe they somehow fall off viewpoint | 12:19 |
| rcg | lbt, alright, reason i was asking to maybe have something like a "best practice" for something like this ;) | 12:19 |
| gabriel9 | i'm trying to port my app to sailfish and where is setRoleNames | 12:19 |
| lbt | I also changed the lighting - it's random and sometimes the lights were placed too far away or in the wrong direction | 12:20 |
| rcg | *was | 12:20 |
| rcg | gabriel9, see the qt5 porting | 12:20 |
| lbt | rcg: yes - I'm planning on that | 12:20 |
| rcg | gabriel9, that's not available anymore.. just a sec | 12:20 |
| Morpog_PC | lbt, I would love a setting to adjust gravity. Also it would be cool to be able to drag the dices around with finger | 12:20 |
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| lbt | Morpog_PC: yes - I thought about making gravity a slider - I'll see how it works | 12:21 |
| lbt | dragging is surprisingly hard | 12:21 |
| rcg | gabriel9, https://github.com/ruedigergad/emumaster/blob/master/src/base/statelistmodel.h https://github.com/ruedigergad/emumaster/blob/master/src/base/statelistmodel.cpp | 12:21 |
| rcg | see m_roles | 12:21 |
| rcg | err, _roles | 12:21 |
| lbt | you actually need to do a GL render to determine where your finger is | 12:21 |
| gabriel9 | k | 12:21 |
| gabriel9 | thanks | 12:21 |
| rcg | yw :) | 12:21 |
| coderus | phone still disconnects when using mce keepalives | 12:22 |
| lbt | Morpog_PC: http://ogldev.atspace.co.uk/www/tutorial29/tutorial29.html | 12:22 |
| coderus | thp: anyone ? | 12:22 |
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| thp | coderus: you send the keepalives regularly? (less than $INTERVAL seconds? where $INTERVAL can be taken from d-bus) | 12:23 |
| gabriel9 | strange, i cant docs on qt project | 12:23 |
| gabriel9 | about this | 12:23 |
| lbt | anyhow - don't forget to click like if you actually like any app - 500 downloads and only a few likes :/ | 12:23 |
| coderus | thp: yes | 12:23 |
| coderus | i'm using interval-5 timer | 12:24 |
| coderus | thp: | 12:25 |
| coderus | Анастасия Бичель | 12:25 |
| coderus | oops wrong paste | 12:25 |
| coderus | void Connection::error(QAbstractSocket::SocketError): There was an IO error: "Connection timed out." | 12:25 |
| coderus | this one | 12:25 |
| Nicd- | anastasija! | 12:25 |
| gabriel9 | i need to learn c++ | 12:28 |
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| mikma | this connection problem -loop is rather annoying | 12:29 |
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| kaltsi | a small update to sdk control center.. the rpm validator output should be easier to read due to better colors | 13:04 |
| Armadillo | *updating* | 13:06 |
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| Armadillo | yay, new version approved :d | 13:11 |
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| coderus | thp: seems mce keepalive not enaigh for keeping internet connection :) | 13:17 |
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| thp | coderus: might be. it does keep the cpu running, though | 13:19 |
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| thp | spiiroin: ^ do you know if mce keepalive keeps network connections alive too? or if there's an api for that? | 13:20 |
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| spiiroin | thp: coderus: cpu keepalive is just cpu | 13:22 |
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| wickwire | Hi guys, I'm trying to fix some paths on my SailfishOS app, for jolla | 13:32 |
| wickwire | I'm trying to use the advised notation | 13:32 |
| wickwire | $XDG_DATA_HOME/$NAME | 13:32 |
| wickwire | to save files | 13:32 |
| wickwire | but I'm getting the following: | 13:32 |
| wickwire | [nemo@localhost .ssh]$ ls -l $XDG_DATA_HOME/$NAME | 13:33 |
| wickwire | ls: cannot access /SailfishOS: No such file or directory | 13:33 |
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| wickwire | has anyone come across this kind of issue already? | 13:33 |
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| radiofree | is there a pdf reader for sailfish? | 13:44 |
| Bysmyyr | yes, from jolla | 13:45 |
| Nicd- | it's the documents app | 13:45 |
| radiofree | aha | 13:45 |
| radiofree | certainly takes a while to open a pdf | 13:46 |
| Armadillo | depends of the size and complexity of the pdf | 13:46 |
| radiofree | looks like it crashed it | 13:47 |
| radiofree | actually swiping away and back and it loaded | 13:47 |
| kaltsi | wickwire: looks like in your shell $NAME = SailfishOS and $XDG_DATA_HOME is not set | 13:48 |
| coderus | spiiroin: soo, is there are keepalive for connection? | 13:49 |
| kaltsi | wickwire: https://harbour.jolla.com/faq#2.14.0 | 13:50 |
| kaltsi | wickwire: also read about QStandardPaths etc above which has corresponding implementation | 13:51 |
| spiiroin | coderus: if there is, I do not know what it might be. | 13:56 |
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| coderus | spiiroin: cool :D | 14:30 |
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| radiofree | why do i keep getting system update notifications :\ | 14:39 |
| radiofree | this time is actually saying i can download it as well | 14:39 |
| radiofree | even though i'm already on 1.0.3.8 | 14:40 |
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| wickwire | kaltsi: thanks for the info! I managed to also find this information for Qt5 https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/xdg-helper/blob/master/README.qt5 | 14:48 |
| wickwire | and upon testing it, it returned valid locations | 14:48 |
| wickwire | so I think I'll use this and see if it is OK with the Jolla guys | 14:49 |
| kaltsi | should be.. the rpm validator tries to catch that kind of problems, which you can see if you run your package through it | 14:49 |
| radiofree | so i'm guessing i shouldn't download and install an update i already have? | 14:50 |
| radiofree | keeps pestering me though :\ | 14:50 |
| radiofree | what should i do? | 14:57 |
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| radiofree | rebooting fixed it, though i'll know it'll be back, anyone know why it thinks there's a system update available even though you're on the latest version | 15:00 |
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| kaltsi | radiofree: I'm told your update might have been partial before and you should accept the new one | 15:04 |
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| radiofree | i see, ok, next time it pops up i'll download it | 15:05 |
| radiofree | in the jolla store it's currently saying it's up to date | 15:05 |
| kaltsi | the store checks every 24hrs or so | 15:05 |
| radiofree | in most cases when i get the "system update available" notice, it takes me to the update screen and then tells me "everything is up to date" | 15:05 |
| kaltsi | oh | 15:06 |
| radiofree | this was the first time that it's been available to download again | 15:06 |
| kaltsi | do you btw have a fast/slow connection from your mobile when you're downloading the update? | 15:06 |
| kaltsi | or in general | 15:07 |
| radiofree | the update was done over my home network, 120Mbit | 15:07 |
| kaltsi | not fast enough! :) | 15:07 |
| crnd | a good reason to get a faster one now... | 15:07 |
| radiofree | damn it, need to move to korea then | 15:08 |
| crnd | "darling, we need to get a faster internet connection here so I can properly update my phone" | 15:08 |
| radiofree | hehe | 15:08 |
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| Nicd- | anyone else noticed this? https://together.jolla.com/question/25721/conflicting-confusing-instructions-regarding-ui-color/ | 15:30 |
| Nicd- | any feedback from the SDK / documentation folk? | 15:30 |
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| kaltsi | Nicd-: maybe you can answe to the mailing list with a link to your post in together.jc so that Joona will for sure notice it | 15:39 |
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| Nicd- | kaltsi: I don't follow the mailing list | 15:39 |
| kaltsi | oh.. there was just today a mail abou those pages, I thought you saw it and wrote that | 15:40 |
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| Nicd- | no, I just saw the link to that pitfall page on another channel and read it through | 15:40 |
| Nicd- | and the color part seemed off | 15:41 |
| Nicd- | I've had the thought about the color names ever since I started developing for sailfish | 15:41 |
| Nicd- | but that I can live with, you can sort of understand the reasoning | 15:41 |
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| veskuh | pitfall page has the correct stuff and the actual names are unfortunately off. | 15:42 |
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| Nicd- | maybe the silica documentation should be updated to reflect this then | 15:42 |
| veskuh | Agreed. | 15:42 |
| rdymac | Sailfish could be installed in a nexus5? | 15:43 |
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| coderus | rdymac: sure. if you'll port it to nexus5 ;) | 16:02 |
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| ryukafalz | would the nemo/sailfish software stack support CDMA devices? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | i dont think it's really been tried | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | it would come down to ofono | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | and RIL | 16:33 |
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| ryukafalz | ah, so it's ofono... IIRC CDMA support in ofono is incomplete at the moment | 16:40 |
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| Raim | I always see this warning on build: "warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 2.9 s in the future" | 16:50 |
| Acce | Raim: I get it too, nothing serious I think | 16:51 |
| Raim | I verified that the clock in the Mer SDK is actually behind that of the host system... | 16:51 |
| Acce | just some asynchronity with clocks | 16:51 |
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| blues2 | anyone running sailfishos on Harmattan with 3.5 kernel? | 18:56 |
| blues2 | .. on N9 | 18:57 |
| coderus | blues2: no working solutions for end user afaik | 18:57 |
| coderus | under heavy development | 18:58 |
| coderus | Sailors, Jolla | 18:58 |
| coderus | is there any way to keep connection alive in background? | 18:58 |
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| Jonni | coderus: yes if you kill battery life. | 19:05 |
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| Jonni | mce-tool can be used to disable suspend sleep. | 19:06 |
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| coderus | Jonni: way to wake up connection for a while for fetching last messages can be okay too :) | 19:17 |
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| ^AmPaRo^ | cant believe this thing still exists | 19:24 |
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| matoking | Hey, I heard SailfishOS has official Python support as of the last system update | 20:02 |
| matoking | Is that true? | 20:02 |
| Yaniel | is it available on the command line by default now? | 20:02 |
| Yaniel | (I installed it manualle already before the update so it's hard to tell) | 20:03 |
| matoking | Yeah | 20:03 |
| matoking | I just started wondering whether it's feasible to port Electrum to Sailfish OS | 20:03 |
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| Yaniel | sure is | 20:04 |
| Yaniel | if you can get it into the app store is another question | 20:04 |
| matoking | Yeah, there actually don't seem to be any external dependencies, so it's a go I think | 20:05 |
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| matoking | Well, I have an another project to work on when I'm tired of Filetug :) | 20:05 |
| Acce | Electrum? | 20:05 |
| matoking | A Bitcoin wallet | 20:05 |
| Acce | oh | 20:05 |
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| matoking | Hehe | 20:32 |
| matoking | I got Electrum working on Jolla in text mode | 20:32 |
| matoking | It appears to be slow at generating addresses but otherwise it appears to be usable :) | 20:32 |
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| John24 | gey guys does anyone know how to install apps from sailfish virtual machine? | 21:07 |
| John24 | long press and x does not work | 21:07 |
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| Yaniel | install? | 21:10 |
| John24 | uninstal | 21:12 |
| John24 | remove/delete | 21:12 |
| tbr | you could always just ssh in and pkcon uninstall them | 21:13 |
| John24 | woudl that need any additional software or can I just command prompt? | 21:14 |
| tbr | that too | 21:14 |
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| John24 | sorry for a stupid question first time using ssh and putty | 21:21 |
| John24 | how to find out sailfish virtual machine ip> | 21:21 |
| John24 | ? | 21:21 |
| ln- | it's localhost port 2223. | 21:22 |
| ln- | i was wondering about the same, why doesn't the X remove apps in the emulator. | 21:23 |
| John24 | hmm gives me access denied | 21:25 |
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| John24 | it all worked thanks guys :) | 21:42 |
| vesurivs | So the developer updates setting in dev mode doesnt do anything? | 21:43 |
| John24 | not at the moment I guess | 21:44 |
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| coderus | vesurivs: SSU? | 22:06 |
| vesurivs | coderus: yes | 22:07 |
| coderus | vesurivs: it does breaking your applications domain | 22:07 |
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| coderus | try to use Store after playing SSU ;) | 22:07 |
| coderus | Jonni: ^ | 22:07 |
| Jonni | vesurivs: "ssu domain sales" to fix your device :) | 22:08 |
| Jonni | (as currently devel updates are only available for jolla employees, (but we are working on enabling it at some point for harbour developers who want to be early birds... but no eta if and when that happens) | 22:10 |
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| vesurivs | havent enabled it as I figured it doesnt do anything | 22:12 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, some sort of "yellow canaries" for upcoming updates would be good to have | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | more QA in any for never hurts | 22:13 |
| M4rtinK | and with a bit of BTRFS snapshot magic could be even rather safe and reversible | 22:14 |
| M4rtinK | just for comparison, the Fedora QA guys usually upgrade they workstations to a new Fedora release around alpha :) | 22:15 |
| M4rtinK | *their | 22:15 |
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