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| Nicd- | hmm, top shows 269 processes but my app shows twice that... :P | 08:17 |
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| Stskeeps | calculating threads too | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 08:19 |
| Nicd- | dunno | 08:19 |
| Nicd- | it uses information from sys/sysinfo.h | 08:19 |
| Nicd- | technically threads are processes on linux, aren't they? | 08:21 |
| Nicd- | just with shared stuff | 08:21 |
| Nicd- | yep, seems it includes threads too | 08:22 |
| Nicd- | thanks Stskeeps | 08:22 |
| cos- | does anyone know if dirkvl is planning to sell kit versions of the kb toh? | 08:29 |
| cos- | i'd be happy to get the electronics & hinge and do the rest myself | 08:29 |
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| Armadillo | good morning | 08:40 |
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| Nicd- | hah, couldn't get text to wrap even though I used the same code as in another place | 08:44 |
| Nicd- | turns out I had written Theme.PaddingLarge instead of Theme.paddingLarge | 08:44 |
| jussi | Nicd-: so much hanging on just a small pee... (pun intended) | 08:47 |
| jussi | (and also, I so read that as "Theme.PuddingLarge" ) :D | 08:49 |
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| Armadillo | is there a way to stop the Dialog.accept() procedure, for exmaple in the onDone signal? | 08:54 |
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| Armadillo | I want to check the data which was inserted by the user before the Dialog closes and if the data is invalid to stop the accept signal | 08:55 |
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| suy | Nicd-: I think that no, threads are not processes. Although I'm unsure if they get a PID. I think they do. | 09:02 |
| Nicd- | as I've understood is that processes and threads are mostly the same on Linux, threads being processes which share memory and some other stuff | 09:06 |
| Nicd- | but that's only the implementation, of course they're different on a conceptual level | 09:07 |
| suy | But If one thread crashes on my app, the whole app crashes. If the app spawns processes and crash, the app doesn't crash. Is that so? | 09:09 |
| suy | One process has one thread of execution, unless you start more. So threads are inside processes. | 09:10 |
| Nicd- | conceptually yes but I was just talking about the implementation since it explains why my code shows twice the amount of processes | 09:11 |
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| suy | Yes, they share some implementation. Each thread of execution has a process ID, for example. | 09:13 |
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| suy | I've not been very precise, I guess. This is what I remembered from class time: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9154671/distinction-between-processes-and-threads-in-linux#9154725 | 09:16 |
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| Nicd- | btw, anyone had the problem where the UI of your app is frozen when you deploy it? | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | I can pull the pulley menu and hear it click but the UI stays frozen | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | when I minimize the app to its cover and open it back again, the UI works fine | 09:21 |
| Nicd- | I've only had this happen when deploying to the phone from the SDK | 09:22 |
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| Armadillo | no, haven't had this issue yet | 09:26 |
| Armadillo | how do you deploy via the sdk? | 09:26 |
| Armadillo | build the rpm and copy it to the phone? | 09:27 |
| Nicd- | "Deploy as RPM package" | 09:27 |
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| Armadillo | so you're talking about the emulator vm? | 09:27 |
| kaltsi | Nicd-: it may/may not have something to do with the way the sdk runs the app, which is not exactly the same as starting from the icon | 09:27 |
| kaltsi | obviously needs fixing in the sdk | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | Armadillo: no, my phone | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | I'm deploying to the phone with "Deploy as RPM package" | 09:28 |
| Armadillo | ok | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | kaltsi: ok. it's not a major bug | 09:28 |
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| Nicd- | just annoying sometime | 09:28 |
| Nicd- | doesn't happen every time btw | 09:29 |
| kaltsi | yep, I think I've seen it sometimes too | 09:29 |
| Armadillo | I always build a rpm with mb2 and copy and install it manually to the phone | 09:32 |
| Armadillo | never had this issue, so it has something to do with the deployment method I think | 09:32 |
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| sjtoik | there is something odd with the sdk build tools. it keeps referring to non-existing paths, and i had to create /home/deploy in order to build a rpm. | 09:35 |
| kaltsi | sjtoik: where are you building? all that should be set up by the sdk installer | 09:36 |
| sjtoik | with in qtcreator with default settings | 09:36 |
| kaltsi | the mersdk virtual machine does have /home/deploy, don't know how you would not have it | 09:36 |
| kaltsi | if you had to create it into your host machine, then something's wrong | 09:37 |
| sjtoik | ouh. this is the arm target | 09:37 |
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| sjtoik | after creating the /home/deploy into my own machine, the build finished and the app runs correctly on the phone. | 09:38 |
| kaltsi | that's.. not supposed to be needed | 09:38 |
| sjtoik | there is probably one leaking check, that is done against local filesystem instead of vm's | 09:39 |
| kaltsi | there's not | 09:39 |
| kaltsi | I don't have /home/deploy in my host and no-one else has it either | 09:40 |
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| kaltsi | which version of virtualbox are you running btw? | 09:40 |
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| sjtoik | kaltsi: ok. i'm not able to recreate the problem anymore. | 09:44 |
| sjtoik | kaltsi: 4.3.6 | 09:44 |
| kaltsi | sjtoik: ok that is good | 09:45 |
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| sjtoik | but the problem was real, and i didn't do much to get over it. so it could be issue only with fresh installs like mine was. | 09:46 |
| kaltsi | it's sort of impossible | 09:48 |
| kaltsi | where did you put your project's source files? | 09:48 |
| sjtoik | i'm building those examples currently | 09:49 |
| kaltsi | and is your $HOME directory standard /home/username or perhaps a symlink or something | 09:49 |
| sjtoik | it's on different drive, but nothing too odd | 09:49 |
| kaltsi | did you open the example from qtcreator directly with 'open file/project' or did you let it copy the project files somewhere when you clicked the example icon? | 09:49 |
| sjtoik | i opened the example .pro into the creator. didn't copy anything. | 09:50 |
| kaltsi | ok.. you should click on the example and let qtc copy the project for you somewhere | 09:51 |
| kaltsi | in welcome page, go to examples tab and click on one of them | 09:51 |
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| kaltsi | I need to test the case if you open it directly.. maybe there's some strangeness there | 09:51 |
| sjtoik | but it is now building as it should | 09:52 |
| kaltsi | did you get any files under your HOST's /home/deploy btw? | 09:52 |
| sjtoik | nope | 09:52 |
| kaltsi | the mersdk virtual machine mounts your $HOME as /home/mersdk inside the virtual machine.. but otherwise /home is local to the VM | 09:53 |
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| kaltsi | did you install the SDK to your $HOME/SailfishOS or somewhere else? | 09:54 |
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| kaltsi | I'm just very curious how it could happen.. | 09:55 |
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| khertan | Morning | 09:56 |
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| TheBootroo | hi ! | 09:59 |
| TheBootroo | i found a bug in Silica | 09:59 |
| TheBootroo | ContextMenu work fine on ListItem if they are used as delegate for a SilicaListView, but not as section.delegate | 10:00 |
| sjtoik | kaltsi: it's $HOME/Development/SailfishOS, i'll try with a fresh sdk vm. | 10:00 |
| TheBootroo | on sections, when menu is open, it overlays following items instead of pushing them down.... | 10:00 |
| TheBootroo | i tried multiple tricks to workaround, doesn't work | 10:00 |
| kaltsi | sjtoik: remember to remove the directory ~/.config/SailfishAlpha3 after you run the uninstaller.. | 10:00 |
| khertan | is there a workarroud to make debug working on device ? | 10:00 |
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| Acce | khertan: run gdb via ssh is the only way I know | 10:02 |
| khertan | Acce, :( was working so nicely in previous sdk release | 10:03 |
| Acce | or do you mean the debug and console messages?? | 10:03 |
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| khertan | Acce, run debug button in qtcreator | 10:14 |
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| sjtoik | kaltsi: sorry. can't re-create my own mistakes :) | 10:17 |
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| kaltsi | sjtoik: no problem.. strange issue anyways | 10:19 |
| Acce | khertan: oh, it never worked for me so I didn't know it was functional once | 10:19 |
| khertan | Acce, was fonctionnal in alpha1... not sure for alpha2 sdk | 10:19 |
| khertan | Acce, this make debugging code mistake more difficult without it | 10:20 |
| coderus | TheBootroo: sections not designed to be context menus or dynamic height :) | 10:21 |
| coderus | i dont think its a bug | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | coderus: i will find a workaround | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | trust me | 10:21 |
| TheBootroo | i'm a serial tricker in QML | 10:21 |
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| khertan | Acce, the problem is that i got segfault when launched from qtcreator ... and everything works well when launched from terminal on device via ssh | 10:29 |
| khertan | Acce, so difficult to debug ... if error didn't happen | 10:30 |
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| lainwir3d | hi | 11:15 |
| lainwir3d | can someone tell me why the left margin of my row is not respected ? :-( | 11:16 |
| lainwir3d | please | 11:16 |
| lainwir3d | here is the code : http://pastebin.com/rAMfgkK5 | 11:16 |
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| edips | sailfishos supports apndoid apk? | 11:17 |
| Venemo | edips: yep | 11:18 |
| edips | SO why do you try to develop sailfishos apps instead of android apps? | 11:18 |
| edips | I just wonder :) | 11:18 |
| lainwir3d | integration | 11:19 |
| edips | I see | 11:19 |
| lainwir3d | and Qt :-) | 11:19 |
| edips | I think It is hard to develop Qt-QML-c++ apps | 11:20 |
| Armadillo | you're wrong | 11:20 |
| Armadillo | it's very easy | 11:21 |
| edips | Im trying to learn qml-qt, but I think it looks hard :) | 11:21 |
| edips | It is easy to develop QML gui, but it is hard to manage it with c++ | 11:21 |
| edips | for developing qml-c++ apps, we have to learn c++ and Qt SDK | 11:21 |
| lainwir3d | the "old" QWidgets were more intuitive for new developers I think | 11:23 |
| lainwir3d | but qml seems a lot better for mobile apps | 11:23 |
| edips | yes it is better, but understanding signal-slot connection between c++ and QML is a bit hard :) | 11:24 |
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| lainwir3d | Ok ! It works now, I just aligned the row center to the center of the column so I don't need a leftmargin anymore | 11:27 |
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| lainwir3d | is there a way to change a Slider color ? | 11:47 |
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| juke_ | wohoo! my app was approved! | 11:54 |
| lainwir3d | :) | 11:54 |
| lainwir3d | what is your app ? | 11:54 |
| juke_ | Netradar | 11:54 |
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| Armadillo | congratulations | 11:57 |
| juke_ | thanks | 11:57 |
| Armadillo | I'm waiting for the first update of mine :-/ | 11:57 |
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| lainwir3d | waiting for release of mine | 12:06 |
| juke_ | are the updates processed faster than initial submissions? | 12:07 |
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| Acce | khertan: true. there are some differences in the environment when run from qtcreator, ie. the locale is C | 12:10 |
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| Acce | even if your device's locale is something else | 12:11 |
| Acce | might that have something to do with it? | 12:11 |
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| pp | hmpf | 12:12 |
| pp | I wonder how I can figure out what the mozilla guid of the browser is :P | 12:13 |
| pp | it's not one of the standard firefox/whatnot ones, obviously | 12:13 |
| pp | (trying to force an addon to run) | 12:13 |
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| joonahoi | you mean user agent? | 12:18 |
| pp | ha, I can always look in the install.rdf of an addon that does run :-) | 12:18 |
| pp | <!-- fennec2 --> | 12:18 |
| pp | <em:id>{aa3c5121-dab2-40e2-81ca-7ea25febc110}</em:id> | 12:18 |
| pp | <em:minVersion>17.0</em:minVersion> | 12:18 |
| pp | <em:maxVersion>28.0</em:maxVersion> | 12:18 |
| pp | (I think) | 12:18 |
| joonahoi | aa, right | 12:19 |
| pp | that information is very well hidden :-) | 12:19 |
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| pp | nope, but toolkit@mozilla.org did the trick | 12:23 |
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| juke_ | my jolla phone has be on for 3 days without charging and battery is 63% left | 12:24 |
| juke_ | it didn't have sim but it was on wlan the whole time | 12:24 |
| juke_ | it's like the golden days of mobile phones when it was enough charge once a week | 12:25 |
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| joonahoi | the mobile connection will draw the charge quite a bit, but i time around 3 days with basic usage | 12:26 |
| joonahoi | i had to be charging the previous phone daily | 12:27 |
| Armadillo | well | 12:27 |
| juke_ | (tbh i had to disable TOH daemon) | 12:28 |
| Armadillo | wifi goes into sleep if the device is not connected via usb | 12:28 |
| Armadillo | so this saves a lot of energy | 12:28 |
| juke_ | can apps wake the phone? | 12:28 |
| joonahoi | juke_: the toh daemon issue was fixed in 1.0.3.8 | 12:29 |
| joonahoi | so no need to disable it any more | 12:29 |
| juke_ | oh, nice | 12:29 |
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| khertan | Acce, hum ... locale should not be a problem for python interpreter | 12:43 |
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| lainwir3d | my app was rejected :-( | 13:18 |
| lainwir3d | because of the name of the package / bin, didn't notice you needed "harbour-" as a prefix | 13:19 |
| lainwir3d | SDK didn't told me though | 13:19 |
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| edips | dc | 13:25 |
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| cos- | lainwir3d: you are not the first one.. | 13:26 |
| cos- | what would be the support e-mail for together? | 13:26 |
| cos- | is is the webmaster here? | 13:26 |
| Acce | lainwird3d: there is some kind of rpm validator in the repos for MerSDK, which you can use to check the naming and other stuff | 13:27 |
| cos- | doesn't the sdk validator do it? | 13:28 |
| Acce | probably, I just don't know where the validator is in qtcreator :) | 13:28 |
| Acce | I read the FAQ before submitting | 13:29 |
| cos- | one of the buttons in the left side which displays vm statuses etc | 13:29 |
| cos- | the validator can be found on that page | 13:29 |
| Acce | sailfis OS tab? | 13:31 |
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| lainwir3d | can't find it | 13:33 |
| juke_ | you have to update your sdk | 13:33 |
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| juke_ | it's like 1-2 weeks new feature | 13:34 |
| juke_ | old* | 13:34 |
| Acce | juke_: how'd you update it? from sailfish OS tab? | 13:34 |
| juke_ | yeah | 13:34 |
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| Acce | nice to know, I thought it would find the packages with that management tool or whatever | 13:34 |
| edips | is there any sailfishos slice components that we can use for other platporms like meego components? | 13:37 |
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| cos- | edips: if you mean silica for other platforms: no | 13:39 |
| edips | ok thanks | 13:40 |
| cos- | i asked about it last week from a jolla guy and he said no and no plans for it | 13:40 |
| edips | I see | 13:40 |
| cos- | possibly community could implement something but i doubt it'll happen soon | 13:40 |
| edips | I checked from gitrous and I didnt find it too | 13:40 |
| cos- | that's why my app is not a silica app.. it's a pity | 13:41 |
| edips | cos your app is not saidfishos app? | 13:41 |
| edips | android? | 13:41 |
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| cos- | edips: it's portable | 13:42 |
| edips | ok | 13:42 |
| cos- | should run on anything qt runs on | 13:42 |
| edips | M4rtinK created an app using meego components with PySİde which seems Simulator's QML source | 13:43 |
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| edips | So I though maybe sailfishos's qml sources can be use for other mobile platforms | 13:43 |
| edips | I see cos, I try to make apps like you | 13:43 |
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| gabriel9 | do i need to install some packages on the phone to enable debbugging? | 13:47 |
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| gabriel9 | it just breaks with this message: Debugging failed. | 13:48 |
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| lainwir3d | hmm the SDK tells me there is no update | 13:49 |
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| juke_ | gabriel9, https://together.jolla.com/question/12734/how-to-debug-using-gdb-on-device/ | 13:53 |
| gabriel9 | gdb | 13:57 |
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| lainwir3d | :-/ | 13:59 |
| lainwir3d | My SDK doesn't show me any update | 13:59 |
| gabriel9 | time to check gdb | 13:59 |
| gabriel9 | lainwir3d: what update | 13:59 |
| cos- | edips: let me know if you figure out a nice way to do it | 13:59 |
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| cos- | perhaps some community-driven mobile components library could work | 13:59 |
| lainwir3d | well I'll try to submit my corrected rpm without checking it with the SDK. I hope there is nothing wrong with it anymore. | 14:00 |
| lainwir3d | gabriel9: SDK update, 2 weeks ago or something like that. | 14:01 |
| edips | cos I started QML-PySİde programming this year, im new to programming :) But I have an android app with PySide-QML | 14:01 |
| edips | cos, My app includes meego components as com.nokia.meego, Its source is like Qt Simulator's source, it is same. | 14:03 |
| edips | So maybe there is a way to do it with sailfish's QML source using virtual device's sources | 14:04 |
| lainwir3d | it would be interesting | 14:04 |
| cos- | are they licensed so that it would be legal? | 14:05 |
| edips | yes, but I think M4rtinK has many information about it, maybe he succeeded to do it, because his modRana app is portable too | 14:05 |
| edips | I dont know about it, I also wonder it has copyright or not | 14:06 |
| edips | I will ask about it to Martin | 14:06 |
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| edips | If you want to take a look, there is an example about meego components apk: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/PySideForAndroid | 14:14 |
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| lainwir3d | have to go, bye everyone ! | 14:19 |
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| edips | bye ! | 14:21 |
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| edips | some QML libs in there, maybe they r importable :) SailfishOS/mersdk/targets/SailfishOS-armv7hl/usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica | 14:26 |
| edips | but there is "Copyright (C) 2013 Jolla Ltd." | 14:27 |
| edips | I assumed sailfishOs is opensource | 14:27 |
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| ln- | edips: open source and copyright are not mutually exclusive, not at all. | 14:32 |
| edips | I see | 14:34 |
| ln- | edips: all GNU software is copyrighted for example, and almost all other open source software too. | 14:34 |
| edips | sorry I dont understand GNU software licences.. | 14:35 |
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| flux | though I understand those headers are not free open source software regardless? | 14:36 |
| edips | ln, can SailfishOs silica qml components use for commercial purposes? | 14:36 |
| edips | I mean for other platforms | 14:37 |
| flux | as far as I understand it, the Sailfish Silica UI is proprietary. | 14:37 |
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| edips | yes I assume it too | 14:37 |
| edips | It has BSD license | 14:38 |
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| khertan | pffff i ve something to debug ... but without qtcreator debug that s really painfull | 14:40 |
| flux | khertan, pfft, back in the day we debugged with debug messages and we liked it! | 14:41 |
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| khertan | flux, yeah yeah ... you liked it, i was using a env with a real debugging tools | 14:45 |
| khertan | ok what available to print var in console in Qt ? | 14:46 |
| khertan | qDebug() << QString("test") didn't compile seems requiring a const QString | 14:46 |
| flux | really? I wouldn't have expected that. | 14:47 |
| kaltsi | qDebug() << "test"; | 14:47 |
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| khertan | kaltsi, qDebug() << myQString; | 14:48 |
| khertan | didn't compile | 14:48 |
| kaltsi | #include <QDebug> ? | 14:48 |
| khertan | indeed just got an incomplet struct debug message now | 14:48 |
| khertan | kaltsi, thx | 14:48 |
| kaltsi | np.. been adding lots of qDebug()'s to qtcreator lately :) | 14:49 |
| khertan | when strange problem happen never forget to clean all | 14:49 |
| khertan | target | 14:49 |
| khertan | ... i was getting a strange error on qDebug line call ... after cleaning i got a correct message | 14:49 |
| khertan | flux, was using Symantec Think C on Apple System 6 and previous, and debugger wasn't bad | 14:51 |
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| khertan | hum C Code return a QString with right content ... QML display NaN (Not a Number ?) | 15:21 |
| khertan | any idea ? | 15:21 |
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| BearT | q_invokable or property? | 15:29 |
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| krnlyng | has anybody written gles or even sdl apps for sailfish yet? | 15:59 |
| Stskeeps | well, gles is easy-ish, look at simple-egl for wayland | 16:00 |
| krnlyng | Stskeeps: i have a problem with sdl on both n9 and jolla | 16:01 |
| Stskeeps | thp made sdl2-wayland i think | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | krnlyng: thp also has chro.mono and some other gles game in the store | 16:04 |
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| merlin1991 | Petals is the other game | 16:05 |
| locusf | what are the current writable paths for harbour applications? | 16:07 |
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| Acce | locusf: XDG standard paths | 16:24 |
| Acce | there is more info in the harbour FAQ at harbour.jolla.com | 16:25 |
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| locusf | Acce: yes but what are they literally, eg. in paths, I cant access XDG_CONFIG_HOME via qgetenv | 16:34 |
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| Acce | locusf: have a look at QStandardPaths: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtcore/qstandardpaths.html | 16:39 |
| Acce | their absolute paths are in ~/.config/appname/... and so on, or ~/Documents etc | 16:40 |
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| rafiyr | Is there some way I can check/control the backlight from a terminal (over ssh fwiw) | 16:41 |
| rafiyr | Oh good, it came back on its own :/ | 16:43 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Is it possible to disable auto sleep while on a certain page in an app? | 16:44 |
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| Armadillo | good evening ladies and gentlemen | 16:59 |
| stephg | werd! | 17:00 |
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| Nicd- | Sfiet_Konstantin: the bars look like this now: https://plus.google.com/+MikkoAhlroth/posts/ZCMgea3oWJq :) | 17:02 |
| Armadillo | I like the keyboard background :D | 17:05 |
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| locusf | Acce: ok thanks :) | 17:11 |
| Nicd- | Armadillo: you can get it here: https://plus.google.com/photos/110693235602405640560/albums/5951600878348798689 | 17:13 |
| Nicd- | it's my programming keyboard :D | 17:14 |
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| Armadillo | thanks :) | 17:16 |
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| Armadillo | I'll get a photo of my illuminated black one and try this :) | 17:17 |
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| khertan | BearT, q_invokable | 17:22 |
| khertan | BearT, Q_INVOKABLE QString read(); | 17:22 |
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| meee | I'd like to download and parse some html page in sailfish app. What would be the best way to do it? | 17:40 |
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| Acce | meee: check if QWebFrame is allowed | 17:55 |
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| meee | Acce: if I understand correctly, I need QWebPage to obtain proper QWebFrame, but QWebPage is missing | 17:57 |
| Acce | or use SilicaWebView QML component | 17:57 |
| Acce | it has html property, with the page html in it | 17:57 |
| Acce | not sure if you can create a DOM object | 17:57 |
| Acce | to use javascripts getelementbyid etc | 17:58 |
| meee | I can get html using other methods, but I need to traverse DOM, which SillicaWebView does not provide | 17:58 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Nicd-: beautiful :) | 17:58 |
| Acce | meee: yes, sorry I didn't think that through, the string only is not useful.. | 17:59 |
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| meee | Acce: I can use python via pyotherside, but I'd rather not (seems slow, needs more memory and causes me some weird bugs when closing application) | 18:01 |
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| khertan | meee, that s not slow, that s didn't require too much memory | 18:11 |
| khertan | and weird bug when closing apps is due to people not coding properly in python | 18:11 |
| khertan | (threads still running) | 18:11 |
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| khertan | i hate to repeat myself, that s grumphy myth that python is slow make me angry all time | 18:12 |
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| meee | khertan it;s not about python being slow, it's more like initialization of python through pyotherside seems slow to me | 18:14 |
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| meee | ok, how to use pyotherside properly (don't leave threads,etc...)? I need to download and parse html from several places in my app | 18:15 |
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| meee | I created one Python 'object' in qml and added it as property of main qml file | 18:15 |
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| Khertan_ | i don t use pyotherside yet as python3 on sailfish didn t include ssl | 18:16 |
| Khertan_ | http://github.com/khertan/ownNotes | 18:16 |
| Khertan_ | meee: look at pyside example | 18:17 |
| Khertan_ | pyotherside | 18:17 |
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| Acce | meee: anyways, as far as I have understood, due to popular demand QtWebkit is allowed (there was some stuff about it on mailing list), although only non-widget classes. Ofcourse, it would be nicer if Jolla provided the classes they use for eg. SilicaWebView | 18:19 |
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| meee | Khertan_ thanks, I'll take a look | 18:22 |
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| flotron | Hi, i enter to the Sailfish Emulator's terminal but i can't login. I used root nemo | 19:32 |
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| flotron | any help? | 19:33 |
| Yaniel | login to where? | 19:33 |
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| mikma | flotron: generate the password, enable ssh login and use account "nemo" | 19:33 |
| flotron | when i just enter to terminal Yaniel | 19:34 |
| flotron | it ask for user pass | 19:34 |
| Nicd- | set it like mikma told | 19:34 |
| Acce | flotron: ssh -p 2223 -i SailfishOS_install_folder/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/SailfishOS_Emulator/nemo nemo@localhost | 19:35 |
| Acce | if I remember correctly | 19:35 |
| flotron | mikma i ssh with winscp | 19:35 |
| Armadillo | you remember correctly ;) | 19:35 |
| Acce | does winscp use putty as engine? then it needs to convert the key files into putty private key format | 19:36 |
| flotron | i already can enter with winscp, i just can't use the emulator's terminal | 19:37 |
| Acce | what do you mean by enter? | 19:37 |
| flotron | browse folders | 19:37 |
| Acce | so connect in the same way to the terminal | 19:38 |
| Acce | with putty | 19:38 |
| Acce | or winscp if it has terminal | 19:38 |
| netzvieh | Acce: I think he's talking about the terminal app? | 19:40 |
| Acce | of winscp is only for files? | 19:40 |
| Acce | then use putty | 19:41 |
| Armadillo | a terminal app in the emulator which can be accessed via ssh makes no sense I think | 19:41 |
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| Acce | oh | 19:42 |
| Acce | you mean, fingerterm? | 19:42 |
| flotron | i mean the terminal that you access when you press right ctrl F2 in emulator | 19:42 |
| Armadillo | use putty to connect via ssh | 19:42 |
| Armadillo | as Acce already mentioned above | 19:43 |
| Acce | yep I use ssh too, didn't know that right ctrl + F2 | 19:43 |
| flotron | ok i will try putty | 19:43 |
| flotron | thanks | 19:43 |
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| flotron | working! the easiest way was put Putty.exe inside prrogram files and run it from winscp already logged in | 19:54 |
| flotron | thank you | 19:54 |
| Armadillo | you could also use Pageant to store the key, that putty and winscp can use this key store on connect | 19:56 |
| Armadillo | but if're satisfied with your solution it's ok :) | 19:56 |
| Armadillo | if you're | 19:56 |
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| kurosch | hey could some help me with a warning I am getting? | 20:06 |
| Nicd- | don't ask to ask :) | 20:06 |
| kurosch | [W] QQuickWindowPrivate::polishItems:264 - QQuickWindow: possible QQuickItem::polish() loop | 20:06 |
| kurosch | what/ how / why? | 20:06 |
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| Nicd- | possibly this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1368629 | 20:08 |
| Nicd- | did you google it? | 20:08 |
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| kurosch | yes it gave me the implementation | 20:08 |
| kurosch | of QQuickWindow | 20:09 |
| kurosch | thanks that solved it | 20:12 |
| kurosch | and have another question, on a Combobox with a: menu: ContextMenu { Repeater ... } I am getting an "Cannot read property 'width' of null | 20:14 |
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| cvp | hello | 20:20 |
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| Armadillo | Am I right, that the onDone signal of a Dialog is only called if a Dialog is being accepted or rejected? | 20:20 |
| Armadillo | hi cvp | 20:21 |
| cvp | :) | 20:21 |
| cvp | coderus, you are here ? | 20:21 |
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| BearT | khertan: sry, was afk. i don't see any problem here. no idea why NaN could come to your qml (except when NaN is actually in the string before) | 20:24 |
| Acce | Armadillo: yes, I suppose that is so | 20:25 |
| Armadillo | :-/ | 20:28 |
| Armadillo | so there is no way to check the data and if all is ok save it and send the accept signal? | 20:29 |
| Armadillo | in that case I have to use a normal page for this | 20:29 |
| Acce | ? | 20:31 |
| Acce | use onAccepted and onCanceled | 20:31 |
| Acce | no wait | 20:31 |
| Armadillo | sure, but what if the data the user entered is not valid? | 20:32 |
| Acce | sorry misread it | 20:32 |
| Acce | how about doing dynamic error checking | 20:32 |
| Acce | showing error under text input? | 20:32 |
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| Acce | I think you can have somekind of enabled / disabled for accept | 20:33 |
| Armadillo | sure this is a solution | 20:33 |
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| Armadillo | I should think of a recode of this page, the current code makes it very hard to do dynamic error checking | 20:34 |
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| Armadillo | the other problem was, that the dynamic version generates a lot of database interactions, which I want to avoid because of higher load -> shorter battery life | 20:36 |
| Acce | Armadillo: can you not load them once, when the page is loaded | 20:38 |
| Acce | and store them into properties? | 20:38 |
| Acce | then only save them to db if they are succesfully accepted | 20:38 |
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| Armadillo | I have two data fields which can be changed by the user, but both form a unique field who's uniqueness has to be checked before I write data to the database or I'll get an sql error | 20:40 |
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| Armadillo | I tried to catch the sql error and show a warning, but this is the problem with the dialog I've spoken about above :D | 20:41 |
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| Acce | hmm well, if the dialog doesn't come up that often, I don't think doing database query everytime the user changes input hurts much | 20:42 |
| Armadillo | yes I'm thinking about this at the moment | 20:42 |
| Acce | otherwise you would probably need completely alternative input / different schema for the db | 20:43 |
| Armadillo | I'll give it a try tomorrow | 20:43 |
| Acce | s/input/approach/ | 20:43 |
| Armadillo | hehe yes, that's what I wanna really avoid :D | 20:43 |
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| Armadillo | thank you again for the help, I'll go to sleep now :) | 20:44 |
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| Acce | no problem, good nite :) | 20:45 |
| Armadillo | good night :) | 20:45 |
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| Nicd- | so what's the new path for localstorage? | 20:51 |
| Nicd- | where the dbs are stored | 20:51 |
| Nicd- | nvm, found it | 20:54 |
| Nicd- | it was under .local/share/appname/appname/QML/OfflineStorage/... | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | department of redundancy department -> /appname/appname/ ? | 20:54 |
| BearT | what was the intention of putting it in appname/appname? | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | kinda don't get it if this is really the canonical path and not a bug in the update :) | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | also I would kinda expect that in .config | 20:56 |
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| Acce | the path names depend on how you setup them in your app | 21:06 |
| Acce | it's probably supposed to be organization/appname | 21:06 |
| Nicd- | yeah, I haven't set anything | 21:06 |
| BearT | so organisation defaults to appname if unset? and previously has been the empty string? | 21:08 |
| Acce | I don't remember the functions you use to set them, but it's just few lines to the main c++ file | 21:08 |
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| Acce | no idea what it has been previously, but it looks like it defaults to appname now | 21:09 |
| Acce | QCoreApplication::setOrganizationName("MySoft"); | 21:09 |
| Acce | QCoreApplication::setOrganizationDomain("mysoft.com"); | 21:09 |
| Acce | QCoreApplication::setApplicationName("Star Runner"); | 21:09 |
| Acce | this is how we are supposedto set them, according to qt docs | 21:09 |
| Nicd- | I can just run those in my main function? | 21:10 |
| Nicd- | something to keep in mind for the next app :) | 21:10 |
| BearT | unfortunately this is not done by the example code that is generated with every new project. at least it has not been before, don't know if they updated that also. | 21:11 |
| Nicd- | they haven't since there has been no SDK update | 21:11 |
| mikhas | Acce, now that you paste it like this, the API looks somewhat fugly | 21:11 |
| mikhas | one static function with 3 parameters would work just as well … | 21:12 |
| Acce | mikhas: hmm, I guess there is such option too | 21:12 |
| Acce | but you know the new trends, all for clarity | 21:12 |
| Acce | if you had just one function, people would complain they never remember which parameter is which | 21:13 |
| mikhas | Acce, types | 21:13 |
| Acce | although autocomplete tells that to you, if you read the code | 21:13 |
| mikhas | that's where you need to embrace the type system … | 21:13 |
| Acce | types? they are all strings | 21:13 |
| mikhas | precisely, that's the problem | 21:13 |
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| mikhas | if each param was its own type, the compiler would help you to get the order right | 21:14 |
| Acce | well, I don't know how that is better | 21:14 |
| Nicd- | but decent editors do that already | 21:14 |
| mikhas | the way you pasted it just looks ugly :-) | 21:14 |
| BearT | i think it would be enough to use the IDE and let them show the variable names. I'd think it would be strange to see code that creates string wrappers just for clarity | 21:14 |
| Acce | well it's straight from the docs :) | 21:14 |
| mikhas | BearT, you often see that in math-related libs and it's not too bad really | 21:15 |
| mikhas | am not claiming that the docs would win a beauty contest | 21:15 |
| mikhas | typedef should be enough anyway | 21:15 |
| Acce | I think clarity is good, as it doesn't really matter how long your variable names are nowdays | 21:15 |
| Acce | I have tried to read some code where all functions and variables where abbreviated like | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | well... | 21:16 |
| Acce | calculate this and that => ctat() | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | there are some crazy long names in Java & GObject stuff | 21:16 |
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| mikhas | M4rtinK, tell m about it … | 21:16 |
| BearT | mikhas: i know that from math too, but were talking about simple string constants and not something that actually has a unit | 21:16 |
| Acce | you don't have to go to craziness | 21:16 |
| Acce | just have good balance | 21:16 |
| Acce | and remember the screens are bigger now than in 80's | 21:16 |
| mikhas | anyway, I think we use strings too often in APIs because we are lazy and everyone loves strings | 21:17 |
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| mikhas | ;-) | 21:17 |
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| Acce | :) | 21:21 |
| Acce | It's true, and people are becoming scriptis | 21:21 |
| Acce | scriptish* | 21:21 |
| Acce | and don't care about types | 21:21 |
| Acce | because "it works fast enough anyways" | 21:22 |
| BearT | but as long as the string is not parsed afterwards I'm really fine with string parameters | 21:22 |
| Acce | yeah | 21:22 |
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| Acce | I have also heard someone say "Optimize, but only when necessary" | 21:22 |
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| Acce | at least I never get anything done, if I just keep going over stuff thinking how to make them best optimized | 21:23 |
| Acce | but again, balance FTW | 21:23 |
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| M4rtinK | well that's the well known "Premature optimization is the root of all evil." saying | 21:24 |
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| M4rtinK | your algorithm needs to be fist correct, then fast | 21:24 |
| BearT | a balance between productivity and the good, warm feeling of having saved a few cycles. but as we all know cycles == power and power consumption == global warming and thus we save the planet by premature optimization ;-) | 21:24 |
| Acce | :) | 21:25 |
| Acce | or, we could just make better HW | 21:25 |
| M4rtinK | still, one should do at least basic stuff like using the most suitable sorting algorithms, etc. | 21:25 |
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| M4rtinK | bah, planet | 21:25 |
| Acce | well the stuff that is well researched and well-known, should be used | 21:26 |
| Acce | since it doesn't take time, it's already there | 21:26 |
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| M4rtinK | you are postponing the heat death of the universe, slowing down entropy! :) | 21:26 |
| Acce | entropy, my dearest enemy | 21:26 |
| BearT | :-) | 21:28 |
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| BearT | I'm having troubles with my MerSDK vm. i can not log in via ssh. when i start the machine in virtualbox i see that all shared folders are working correctly, ie. i have /etc/ssh/authorized_keys/mersdk available. when i do file authorized_keys inside the VM i only get 'data' as a result and less also warns me about a possible binary file. if i watch the same file on my host machine in ~/SailfishOS/mersdk/ssh/mersdk the file command tel | 22:03 |
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| n3961 | how to change my name in irc :) | 22:04 |
| juke_ | /nick newnick | 22:04 |
| n3961 | thanks | 22:05 |
| juke_ | depending on the client, it might not be that | 22:05 |
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| edips | :) | 22:05 |
| edips | hi M4rtin | 22:06 |
| edips | meego qml components have copyrights? | 22:07 |
| edips | can it be used for commercial usage? | 22:07 |
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| M4rtinK | there should be a license inside, so check it | 22:09 |
| M4rtinK | I'm not sure if it is GPL or BSD/MIT | 22:09 |
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| M4rtinK | edips: also I think the graphics might have had some strange license | 22:09 |
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| M4rtinK | lbt: looks like the sailfishos_1.0.3.8 target is not yet added on the main target listing | 22:10 |
| M4rtinK | lbt: but can be selected by the advanced interface | 22:10 |
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| edips | harmattan QML components can be used for commercial purposes? | 22:22 |
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| Rantanen | I get weird results when I'm stepping through QTDeclarative sources with GDB. | 23:22 |
| Rantanen | Random segfaults. Almost as if my sources are wrong. | 23:22 |
| Rantanen | This in the emulator | 23:22 |
| Rantanen | I've got following packages installed: qt5-declarative (as per default), qt5-declarative-debuginfo, qt5-declarative-debugsource, qt-declarative-qtquick and qt-declarative-qtquick-debuginfo | 23:24 |
| Rantanen | (Mainly I'm trying to figure out what's wrong with my QML Binding {} as I'm trying to do two-way binding between C++ QObjects and TextField text properties) | 23:27 |
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| BearT | msivzn | 23:34 |
| BearT | sry, wrong window | 23:34 |
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