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| GentSir | Anyone around? | 08:34 |
| Stskeeps | sort-of | 08:34 |
| GentSir | I was wondering, is there a list of x86 devices that Sailfish has been shown to work on? | 08:35 |
| Jonni | GentSir: Sailfish OS has not been released. Someone has runned sailfish sdk in exopc forexample. | 08:36 |
| GentSir | Jonni, I know one guy got it running on an Iconia Tab. It's just a little tough testing gesture controls in Virtualbox | 08:37 |
| Jonni | GentSir: well thats is true, a bit hard since vbox sdk only sends mouse events and not QTouchEvents :) | 08:38 |
| Jonni | or what kind of gesture controls you meant? :) | 08:39 |
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| GentSir | Jonni, like swiping covers aside and menus down | 08:39 |
| GentSir | It's very hard in virtualbox | 08:39 |
| GentSir | I was thinking of buying a device it'll load on in its current state | 08:39 |
| Jonni | ah, that just takes a bit of practice | 08:39 |
| GentSir | Jonni, it's still much nicer on an actual touchscreen | 08:40 |
| Jonni | well yes, you can use any x86 windows touchpads/laptops etc, if you just copy the vm to windows vbox :) | 08:41 |
| GentSir | My mate up north still has my Nokia N9, he'll be shipping that down and I plan to get Nemo running on it. So I can at least get experience with Qt/QML on that form factor | 08:41 |
| phako | Qt/QML experience works quite ok with stock N9 | 08:42 |
| GentSir | I've searched for two years for an N950, but the few I've been able to find are priced at $1500 or more | 08:42 |
| Jonni | average price for N950 seems to be around 900-1000e | 08:43 |
| GentSir | As much as I've wanted that hardware, it's not worth that price now | 08:44 |
| GentSir | I recently moved, and all I brought with me as far as test devices go are android phones | 08:44 |
| Jonni | heh, yes price quite high when the real value of N950 is around 150e. | 08:45 |
| GentSir | Jonni, what currency are you using? | 08:47 |
| GentSir | I don't recognize the 'e' after it | 08:47 |
| Jonni | e as in euro | 08:47 |
| GentSir | OH, I should've known that | 08:47 |
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| GentSir | Is there a way to make the Sailfish SDK device in virtualbox display at a smaller resolution? | 09:10 |
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| kontio | GentSir: https://www.sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html "I see scrollbars in the emulator window. How do I scale it to the window size?" | 09:24 |
| kontio | maybe not what you meant but a workaround? | 09:25 |
| GentSir | kontio, that would work perfectly. Thank you | 09:26 |
| GentSir | Been awhile since I've used Virtualbox | 09:26 |
| GentSir | I only have a single 22" monitor right now, so I don't have a ton of space to work with | 09:27 |
| kontio | yeah have the same issue when working on laptop :-) | 09:30 |
| GentSir | I'm actually working on my laptop right now | 09:30 |
| GentSir | 2008 Macbook 4, 1. It's getting old, but I haven't found anything I like more | 09:31 |
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| GentSir | kontio, will Sailfish be using Qt 5.1 when it's released? | 09:34 |
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| Stskeeps | no, qt4 for the system stack | 09:36 |
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| GentSir | Stskeeps, alright, this is my first foray into Qt/QML. My mobile experience is limited to Android | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 09:49 |
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| GentSir | SfietKonstantin, how's that Tab? | 10:25 |
| SfietKonstantin | GentSir: smooth | 10:26 |
| SfietKonstantin | pretty | 10:26 |
| SfietKonstantin | I love it | 10:26 |
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| SfietKonstantin | sailfish is an impressive piece of SW | 10:26 |
| SfietKonstantin | can't wait for phone and ARM images | 10:26 |
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| GentSir | SfietKonstantin, yeah, I've been trying to find an n950, but no luck | 10:29 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, | 10:29 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: still in your quest of the N950 ? | 10:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | having an N9 already makes you quite unique | 10:30 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, yes, but I'm still on my quest for the holy grail | 10:32 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, N9's are very easy to get | 10:32 |
| GentSir | I can go on ebay and there are around a dozen listed for around $300 | 10:32 |
| GentSir | But a n950, on the rare occasions someone is selling one, have been from $1000-2000 | 10:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: or ask a friend working at nokia | 10:33 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, I'm only 19, not old enough to know anyone from the glory days of nokia :) | 10:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I see :P | 10:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's a problem indeed | 10:35 |
| GentSir | I believe I've said it to you before, but I believe there's probably a box of n950's and other dev phones that will never be used | 10:35 |
| GentSir | somewhere in nokia HQ | 10:35 |
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| niweber | it's really not worth it | 10:38 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, but my age gives me an advantage over older developers, I don't have any ingrained bad habits yet | 10:38 |
| niweber | after getting my n9, I never touched my n950 again | 10:39 |
| GentSir | niweber, to get an n950? I have an n9, but I've always wanted an n950 just for the sake of having oen | 10:39 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I have learnt one thing | 10:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tinker with the devices you have | 10:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | get the max out of them | 10:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't think about getting more powerful one for the sake of having one | 10:40 |
| niweber | GentSir: n950 is just like the n9, just way slower and with crappy reception | 10:40 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, all the devices I brought with me when I moved where Android phones. My mate up north is sending my n9 down and I'll have it by the time the community releases a sailfish image for it | 10:41 |
| GentSir | Sorry about bad grammar/spelling this morning | 10:42 |
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| GentSir | I've watched the video demos of Sailfish, played around with the emulator and SDK, I really love the concept | 10:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: well | 10:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | one day | 10:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it will happen, I'm sure, but we need to be patient | 10:46 |
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| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, I've got plenty of time, just hopefully it's before my trusty Atrix 2 dies :) | 10:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:52 |
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| libregeekingkid | need help setting up the sailfish sdk | 11:41 |
| libregeekingkid | need help setting up the sailfish sdk | 11:41 |
| Stskeeps | ask away | 11:42 |
| libregeekingkid | I am a newbie to setting up sdks, I want to set it up on a debian 64 bit system, I have downloaded the 64 bit sdk file but don't know what to do with it | 11:43 |
| libregeekingkid | Stskeeps: | 11:43 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | libregeekingkid: | 11:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | chmod +x nameofthefile.bin | 11:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ./nameofthefile | 11:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 11:44 |
| libregeekingkid | Sfiet_Konstantin: pls explain it as you are explaining it to a layman, I am comfortable working with the terminal. But I am not aware of many of the commands that you are using . | 11:46 |
| libregeekingkid | Sfiet_Konstantin: and the sdk file extension is. run and not .bin | 11:47 |
| niweber | libregeekingkid: you can do it from the graphical interface | 11:47 |
| libregeekingkid | niweber: how | 11:47 |
| niweber | libregeekingkid: right click on the downloaded file, there has to be a setting somewhere whether to allow executing | 11:48 |
| niweber | libregeekingkid: after you set that, you can simply double-click | 11:48 |
| GentSir | libregeekingkid, it might help if we need what desktop environment/distro you're using | 11:49 |
| libregeekingkid | GentSir: Its Debian wheezy | 11:49 |
| libregeekingkid | GentSir: 64bit | 11:50 |
| niweber | libregeekingkid: yes, but kde? gnome? something ele? | 11:50 |
| libregeekingkid | niweber: Gnome 3 | 11:50 |
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| niweber | libregeekingkid: so, right click, in the context menu there is settings (or something, depends on your language) | 11:51 |
| niweber | libregeekingkid: in settings, there is a tab access rights or something similar | 11:52 |
| niweber | libregeekingkid: and there is a checkbox for executing | 11:52 |
| libregeekingkid | niweber: you can tell this with terminal | 11:52 |
| niweber | libregeekingkid: if that is checked, you can simply double-click | 11:52 |
| libregeekingkid | niweber: thanks, it has started, the option was in the file properties | 11:54 |
| niweber | libregeekingkid: my setup is not english, that's why I didn't know the exact words | 11:54 |
| libregeekingkid | niweber: even mine is not :d I have this in marathi | 11:55 |
| GentSir | niweber, may I ask what language you work in? | 11:55 |
| niweber | GentSir: German | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ... | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | got mentionned on MyNokiaBlog for the Iconia tab vid | 11:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | let the flamewar start in comments | 11:56 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, soundtrack? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QyYaPWasos | 11:58 |
| GentSir | a little nsfw language | 11:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: nice one :P | 12:00 |
| GentSir | I'm actually surprised by how many people don't develop in english, I thought it was the standard | 12:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: what do you mean, develop in english | 12:02 |
| niweber | filmed with n9 ;) | 12:03 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, by how many people don't have their desktop interface in english | 12:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, if the DE is in your language, why would you choose english ? | 12:03 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, I'm an american, haven't really been exposed to the cultural diversity seen in other parts of the world | 12:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I see :) however, other people are attached to their language as well, even if they code / tweet / chat in english | 12:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | niweber: filmed with an N9, but did you spot the tee shirt ? | 12:05 |
| mikhas | The N9 was easy to spot in the reflection. | 12:06 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, filming with an n9 takes you to a whole new level of fanboy status | 12:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: no, it is just because I have that phone to film | 12:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm phone agnostic right now | 12:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I choose the best UI that's all | 12:07 |
| mikhas | GentSir, it always takes extra effort for us to use English. And we cant be as smart/witty in English as in our mother tongue either. | 12:07 |
| mikhas | Idioms are a huge problem when using different languages. They often dont translate very well. | 12:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fun, nobody have spotted the tee shirt :(:( | 12:07 |
| mikhas | Covered by the N9. | 12:07 |
| mikhas | Try with less window reflections next time ;-) | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikhas: no, I'm sure that you can see it, close to the end, when I play with accelerometer | 12:08 |
| GentSir | mikhas, I've actually found that many people who use english as their second language are much more precise with it than us native speakers | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikhas: yeah, ok ... | 12:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikhas: everybody is telling me about that window reflection ... | 12:09 |
| mikhas | GentSir, because it's a conscious effort for us. | 12:09 |
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| GentSir | mikhas, a friend of mine grew up in germany and learned english as her second language. She speaks it very well, but I could tell where she couldn't quite think of a word and would have to substitute a german one. | 12:10 |
| mikhas | T-shirt visibility confirmed. | 12:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikhas: :P | 12:11 |
| niweber | Sfiet_Konstantin: ah, can see it as well :) | 12:11 |
| GentSir | What's on the t-shirt? | 12:11 |
| niweber | GentSir: wathc the video :-P | 12:12 |
| GentSir | niweber, will do | 12:13 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, is there any particular reason you used Vimeo instead of YouTube? | 12:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: no, except the reason to be out of the google ecosystem | 12:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and I find vimeo more content friendly | 12:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | since I don't want to have lots of suggestions and comments | 12:17 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, I know a lot about being out of the google ecosystem, it's a pain keeping an Android phone completely separated.. | 12:18 |
| mikhas | And Vimeo has no video length limitation. And a better player. | 12:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikhas: indeed the player is really really nice | 12:19 |
| mikhas | It actually has working fullscreen. | 12:19 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, your accent sounds Icelandic/Scandinavian | 12:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: guess again | 12:19 |
| mikhas | The softness in the voice sounds rather Asian to me ;-) | 12:20 |
| GentSir | my best friend is asian and sounds nothing like him :/ | 12:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikhas: technically, you are not wrong, however, no ... | 12:20 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, Indian? | 12:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm genetically asian, but my accent is not from that country | 12:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | come on, not at all | 12:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm not asian | 12:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | indian | 12:21 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, Indian was right? | 12:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no it is not indian | 12:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, genetically, I'm chinese | 12:21 |
| mikhas | :-D | 12:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, the accent is not chinese at all | 12:21 |
| mikhas | I commented on the softness of the voice, not the accent. | 12:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mikhas: well, then you are right :):) | 12:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but noone want to comment on the accent ? :D | 12:23 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, still trying to guess | 12:23 |
| GentSir | That video was way more informative about the interface than the Jolla one on an N9 though, good work | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hint, it is in europe :P | 12:24 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, Czech? | 12:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | na | 12:24 |
| * niweber thinks southern european | 12:24 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | niweber: too vague :D | 12:24 |
| niweber | but correct? :-P | 12:25 |
| GentSir | Serbian? | 12:25 |
| GentSir | My american ignorance is showing | 12:25 |
| niweber | Sfiet_Konstantin: well, your ip is in switzerland :-P | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not serbian, not shouthern europe | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | niweber: damn | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | good | 12:27 |
| niweber | I know, cheating | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but which part ? | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Suiss is either fr, ger or ita | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 12:27 |
| niweber | they all speak funny there :p_ | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | niweber: true, and I'm not a Suiss either | 12:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so I'm speaking less strangely :D | 12:28 |
| niweber | not german part | 12:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not german part | 12:28 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, at least I had the region right on my first guess | 12:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: well no, I'm not in scandinavia :D | 12:28 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | niweber: so, fr or ita ? | 12:28 |
| niweber | french | 12:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 12:29 |
| GentSir | I would love to live in a Nordic country | 12:29 |
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| niweber | GentSir: you like freezing? | 12:29 |
| GentSir | niweber, I actually just moved to Florida from Michigan | 12:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | actually I'm french | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | studying in CH right now, but I'm french :P | 12:30 |
| GentSir | It's already 70 where I am now, and it's way below freezing in my hometown. I miss the cold, I'd much rather be freezing. | 12:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: 70°F in °C please ? | 12:31 |
| GentSir | 18 C here in florida at the moment | 12:31 |
| niweber | GentSir: so, you are at about the same latitude as switzerland | 12:31 |
| GentSir | -4 C in my hometown | 12:32 |
| niweber | (in Michigan) | 12:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 12:32 |
| GentSir | niweber, I grew up in Michigan. I've only been in florida a few months | 12:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 0°C in CH now :P | 12:32 |
| niweber | -2C here | 12:32 |
| niweber | and snowing | 12:32 |
| GentSir | I miss snow | 12:33 |
| niweber | happy springtime | 12:33 |
| GentSir | We've got a high of 29 C here today, and this is the coldest time of the year | 12:33 |
| niweber | GentSir: Scandinavia is way further north than Michigan though | 12:34 |
| niweber | tink northern canada | 12:34 |
| niweber | *think | 12:34 |
| GentSir | niweber, I can handle colder | 12:34 |
| niweber | the darkness in winter is even worse than the cold | 12:34 |
| niweber | but -30C with a strong north wind is bad as it is | 12:35 |
| GentSir | Doesn't sound too bad | 12:36 |
| GentSir | Better than 30 C every day | 12:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: I would love 30 °C everyday :) | 12:37 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, it's really not that great | 12:37 |
| niweber | too hot | 12:38 |
| GentSir | Florida is called "Heavens Waiting Room" for a reason, it's all old people in this area | 12:38 |
| GentSir | Most popular retirement state in the US | 12:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: would be better to be called hell's waiting room | 12:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks to temperature | 12:38 |
| GentSir | Sfiet_Konstantin, I've heard it can reach 40C and above in the summer here | 12:39 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: cool :) | 12:40 |
| GentSir | Have you guys had the issue in the Sailfish emulator where the time display didn't show up, but was between the views? | 12:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: what do you mean ? | 12:41 |
| GentSir | You know how there are 3 main views on the vertical scroll of the homescreen? The time indicator is between the top 2 and only shows up when moving between them | 12:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | fun | 12:42 |
| GentSir | Also, where'd you get an IRC client for Sailfish? | 12:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you cannot see it on the top view ? | 12:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GentSir: terminal, zypper in irc-chatter | 12:42 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | well guys | 12:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bye, I have to go | 12:43 |
| GentSir | How do I access the terminal on the emulator? | 12:43 |
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| lbt_ | <right-ctrl>-f2 | 12:47 |
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| GentSir | lbt, any other way? Laptop doesn't have right-ctrl key | 12:50 |
| lbt | in the bottom right of the emulator window it says a key | 12:51 |
| lbt | that's your vbox 'host key' | 12:51 |
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| GentSir | I'll need to change that, alright | 12:53 |
| GentSir | lbt, is there a guide on the basic terminal functions and the login info for it? | 12:56 |
| lbt | no guide - just plain linux. The login info is in the FAQ page :) | 12:56 |
| GentSir | lbt, found it. thank you | 12:58 |
| mikhas | it's actually great that you can login to the SDK and build env | 12:59 |
| mikhas | something I found very lacking with the Harmattan SDK | 12:59 |
| GentSir | This is my first experience with a MeeGo style SDK | 13:00 |
| GentSir | lbt, this is going to sound even more stupid, how do I exit the terminal in the emulator? | 13:03 |
| lbt | right-ctrl-f1 | 13:03 |
| lbt | or whatever | 13:03 |
| GentSir | I installed irc-chatter using zypper by ssh'ing in, how would I access it on the emulator now? | 13:04 |
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| GentSir | I see, it showed up when I rebooted it | 13:11 |
| GentSir | But it won't actually launch in the emulator | 13:12 |
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| Jonni | GentSir: most likely it is missing some depency or similar, you could try login as nemo, and launching it from commandline, usually output tells whats wrong. | 13:36 |
| GentSir | Jonni, good idea, thank you | 13:36 |
| Jonni | GentSir: heh and irc-chatter works in my sailfish emulator, so I guess I have depency packages installed :) | 13:40 |
| GentSir | One sec, about to get you the error message | 13:41 |
| GentSir | Jonni, that helpful at all? http://i.imgur.com/TMoSedy.png | 13:42 |
| Jonni | GentSir: yes, if you do: "zypper in qt-components" you will get that application running. | 13:43 |
| GentSir | Isn't qt-components the harmattan stuff? | 13:43 |
| GentSir | Sorry about the spelling | 13:43 |
| Jonni | GentSir: but that package is obsoleted and most likely will not be available on final product, as it provides com.nokia.meego component, and you should port apps to use silica. | 13:44 |
| Jonni | its just there for making porting easier ie when you want to see if app even starts | 13:45 |
| GentSir | Jonni, I just wanted to get a couple nemo/MeeGo apps running in the emulator to get a feel for it | 13:45 |
| Jonni | yep for that installing the package will help | 13:45 |
| GentSir | Just did, and I'm restarting the emulator. Thank you | 13:45 |
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| GentSir | I'm going to be working on learning Qt/QML, and about the Mer stack underneath Sailfish OS. Maybe I'll be able to make something useful | 13:46 |
| Jonni | GentSir: and you dont need to restart emu to get app icons showing up. running this as root will restart lipstick etc: systemctl restart user-session@1000.service | 13:47 |
| GentSir | Jonni, after I installed qt-comp my screen is black at boot. Not sure if it's the power saver or something else | 13:49 |
| Jonni | GentSir: left-crtl+H is powersave wakeup | 13:49 |
| GentSir | Perfect! thank you Jonni | 13:50 |
| GentSir | It runs, but it's not very usable | 13:51 |
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| lbt | using a touch ui with a mouse is not ideal | 13:54 |
| GentSir | lbt: That, and it's sideways with no way to change it | 14:02 |
| lbt | sideways? | 14:02 |
| GentSir | But it runs, that's the important part | 14:02 |
| GentSir | Landscape | 14:02 |
| lbt | !! | 14:02 |
| Merbot | lbt: Error: "!" is not a valid command. | 14:02 |
| lbt | hush up Merbot :) | 14:02 |
| lbt | that's unexpected GentSir - the emulator should run in portrait mode | 14:03 |
| GentSir | lbt: The emulator runs in portrait, but irc-chatter runs in landscape. So it's not very usable. That's all | 14:03 |
| lbt | oh, | 14:04 |
| GentSir | lbt, concentrate on your meeting, not the newcomers like myself :) | 14:04 |
| lbt | yeah, we don't have a mechanism to rotate to landscape in alpha | 14:04 |
| lbt | beta is likely to have 'reboot to rotate' which sucks but is best option for now | 14:04 |
| lbt | unless we find some RDP/Qt coders....anyone? | 14:05 |
| GentSir | An an actual device I'd just turn it sidewise, not really an option in VB though | 14:05 |
| lbt | no, and it's a bit complex at the code level | 14:05 |
| lbt | we need to rotate a lot of layers | 14:05 |
| GentSir | lbt, stuff end-users think is very simple is often very difficult to actually do. I understand | 14:06 |
| GentSir | Actually, I could see if there's a way for Openbox to just rotate the window the emulator is running in... | 14:06 |
| GentSir | That would be similar to just rotating the device | 14:07 |
| Jonni | just get swiwel monitor and rotate the monitor :) | 14:07 |
| GentSir | Jonni, working on my laptop right now | 14:07 |
| GentSir | I plan to build a new development computer here in the next few months | 14:07 |
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| GentSir | lbt, i never realized you were quite that important | 14:38 |
| lbt_ | I am? | 14:38 |
| GentSir | lbt, : Well, you obviously know your way around | 14:39 |
| GentSir | I'm working on just picking up the basics | 14:39 |
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| lbt_ | hmmf - ADSL dropped | 14:45 |
| GentSir | lbt_, back in michigan I was on a 200/200 fiber connection. I'm on DSL here, I feel your pain | 14:45 |
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| GentSir | I swear, even the Sailfish emulator is less laggy than my android phone | 15:31 |
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| Stskeeps | GentSir: that's nice to hear :) | 15:42 |
| GentSir | Stskeeps, it likes to lag itself out and crash. Have you ever seen an Android sw keyboard go into "matrix" mode? | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | nop | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, i can guess what happens, composition overload | 15:43 |
| GentSir | You press a key, and it doesn't register for ten seconds | 15:43 |
| GentSir | so you quickly type your entire message, and watch as the key presses register on the keyboard one by one after you're done | 15:43 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 15:46 |
| mikhas | phew, never happens with Maliit (anymore) | 15:48 |
| mikhas | ;-) | 15:48 |
| GentSir | I'll be glad to jump ship to Sailfish once it's officially released | 15:51 |
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| SKonstantin_tab | Hello again | 16:38 |
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| Yaniel | hullo 'tab | 16:43 |
| Morpog_PC | you make me want to buy such an iconoa tab :-) | 16:43 |
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| sledges | send the vid to iconia themselves ;) | 16:50 |
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| Yaniel | maybe they would want to partner with jolla? :D | 16:57 |
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| SfietKonstantin | Hello again ! | 17:37 |
| SfietKonstantin | ping SKonstantin_tab | 17:37 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm testing the autonomy of the tab | 17:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | down from 100% to 90% in 57 min | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | that's not a lot | 17:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so rough estimate: 570 min of autonomy, 9.5h | 17:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | idle | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | still on sailfish? | 17:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: of cause | 17:39 |
| Stskeeps | you could probably make it really suspend with a bit of mce hacking | 17:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and I don't think that I turned on any powersaving feature | 17:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: I don't care | 17:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I turn it off when not needed, the boot is fast enough | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but I want to test how much it last just idling on IRC | 17:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | screen turned off | 17:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if I get 9h, I'm already very happy | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | is it a 3g one, or? | 17:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no, wifi one | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 17:40 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is said (on wikipedia, and advertised) that that tab can go up to 6h | 17:41 |
| Yaniel | IIRC I easily got 10h IRC idling with my N8 on wifi with the screen off | 17:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: not the same device | 17:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the iconia tab is not optimized to be a mobile device | 17:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | think about it as a computer without keyboard | 17:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or a netbook | 17:42 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 17:42 |
| Yaniel | 9h is quite impressive there | 17:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | funnily is that that aweful tablet is being more and more decent | 17:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it is still heavy | 17:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 17:45 |
| Yaniel | :DD | 17:45 |
| Yaniel | more and more decent, | 17:45 |
| Yaniel | I wonder, will it become good one day? | 17:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: no | 17:46 |
| Yaniel | :( | 17:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because of being too heavy | 17:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and having a bad screeen (too much latency) | 17:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it is a good test device | 17:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and the CPU and GPU are decent | 17:46 |
| lclc | whats the login / pw of the sailfish emulator? | 17:50 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: nemo:nemo | 17:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: root:nemo | 17:51 |
| lclc | thx | 17:51 |
| lclc | Sfiet_Konstantin: it says Login incorrect | 17:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: how are you trying to log | 17:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ssh nemo@localhost -p 2223 ? | 17:53 |
| lclc | hm no that would be nice to (going to do this now) | 17:54 |
| lclc | but I presse Ctrl+F2 on the merSDK VM | 17:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 17:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not the MerSDK | 17:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this one is made for compiling | 17:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (cross compiling) | 17:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the one you have to launch is Sailfish simulator | 17:54 |
| lclc | ah ok, didn't understand that. I have 2 running | 17:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MerSDK ships compilers, so you don't need them to be installed on a computer | 17:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | QtCreator calls compilers from MerSDK | 17:55 |
| lclc | mmh, ok then I going to connect via terminal | 17:56 |
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| lclc | Hm, no I got this: Permission denied (publickey). Maybe I've forgot to do something, I've just made a fresh install of openSUSE and didn't use SSH yet. Any idea? | 18:01 |
| Jonni | lclc: have you tried the tricks in FAQ? | 18:01 |
| lclc | good idea. sry^^ | 18:01 |
| lclc | jonni: That worked | 18:02 |
| lclc | thx for the hint | 18:02 |
| Yaniel | which one? | 18:03 |
| lclc | the first one | 18:03 |
| lclc | ssh -i ~/.ssh/mer-qt-creator-rsa nemo@localhost -p 2223 | 18:03 |
| lclc | Mer is build on top of suse right? so should I'm be able to install nearly all suse packages? I need potrace and jpegtopnm, can I just add them as dependency in the RPM or do I have to deliver them by myself? | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | no, mer's built on top of itself | 18:09 |
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| lclc | ah ok, I just though because of RPM and zypper. So the repos don't have all the other stuff? Is there somewhere a list what I can get as dependency and what not? | 18:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: zypper se <yourpackage> :) | 18:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why do you need potrace and jpegtopnm ? | 18:13 |
| lclc | I want to convert a picture (from cam) into an SVG | 18:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | into an ... SVG ? | 18:14 |
| lclc | yep | 18:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wow | 18:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | how do you do that ? | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | is that even possible ? | 18:15 |
| lclc | I know, doesn't works always but its quite good for simple things | 18:15 |
| lclc | yes with potrace | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 18:15 |
| lclc | really cool tool | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, package potrace yourself | 18:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | potrace is not shipped | 18:15 |
| Yaniel | it works with black & white images | 18:15 |
| lclc | seems so | 18:15 |
| lclc | yes the result is only black & white, but the input can be anything | 18:15 |
| lclc | I've tested it quite successfully on an PC with pictures if made from my phone (the plan is to convert pictures from a white board into SVG to be able to manipulate them afterwards) | 18:16 |
| lclc | Sfiet_Konstantin: Do you mean to pack it as part of my package (of the full app) or as a lib into the official repo (would they accept it? I've never made a RPM)? | 18:18 |
| Yaniel | I don't see why it would not be accepted into mer repos | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: do what you want :) | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | send it to mer repo | 18:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | create your repo (open an account on merproject Open build system for example) | 18:20 |
| Yaniel | or a sailfish user repo once that is a thing | 18:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | pack it in your app | 18:20 |
| lclc | ok, I'm going to try that :D | 18:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: look at the packages that are already done (their spec / yaml file) | 18:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | read the tutorials in Mer wiki | 18:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | recommanded reading: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 18:21 |
| lclc | uf thats alot to read. I'm going to do a try & error with the build service first, copying the stuff from the openSUSE potrace | 18:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: trust me | 18:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | read that | 18:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | install the Mer platform SDK first | 18:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it ships tools that will help you with OBS | 18:35 |
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| Stskeeps | evening shmerl | 18:43 |
| shmerl | Stskeeps: Hi. Jaylist said you asked for some updated questions from TMO - I don't think there are any additional major ones. | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 18:43 |
| shmerl | Except may be if you are handling Google's reversal on CalDAV/CardDAV support | 18:43 |
| shmerl | I.e. whitelsists only and etc. | 18:43 |
| shmerl | It's a strange story: http://googleblog.blogspot.ca/2013/03/a-second-spring-of-cleaning.html | 18:44 |
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| lclc | The SDK includes tools needed to create rpm packages for Mer. | 18:57 |
| lclc | See https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=sdk-kickstarter-configs&project=Mer%3ATools%3ATesting | 18:57 |
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| lclc | Thats all written under Packaging. I don't get it, that link doesn't help me | 18:57 |
| lclc | Here the OBS project I've made: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=potrace&project=home%3Alucas I've uploaded the files but I can't choose a build target | 18:59 |
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| lbt | lclc: I'll fix that | 19:33 |
| lbt | but it'll only be Mer for now | 19:34 |
| lclc | lbt: Thanks. I don't think I need more then Mer? | 19:34 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | 3h30, 61% | 20:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's good, SKonstantin_tab | 20:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 20:11 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | psm most be working in your tab | 20:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: how do you know ? | 20:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if it is enabled ? | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | well iwconfig might hint it | 20:13 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: power management on | 20:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so it seems to be OK | 20:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, what I find wonderful is that even with that kind of powerful CPU, it still have a good autonomy | 20:15 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 20:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what I don't like is that there is no double tap to wake the screen :P | 20:18 |
| Stskeeps | you could probably wire that up somehow | 20:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: I would prefer more information on how to handle HW keys | 20:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have a windows key on the tab | 20:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and would love to map it to "minimize app" | 20:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but don't know where to start | 20:23 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ping SKonstantin_tab | 20:36 |
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| Jonni | Sfiet_Konstantin: you mean mapping hw keyevent to minimize app in sailfish? make a daemon to listen keyevents, and on wanted keyeven either send X11 iconify event to foregroud window id or maximize event to lipstick window id, either one will do the trick. | 20:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jonni: thanks a lot :) | 20:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that implies doing X stuff, I'm not a fan of that but why not | 20:48 |
| Yaniel | Sfiet_Konstantin: does the tab beep when you highlight it? | 20:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: what do you meen by beeping and highlighting ? | 20:53 |
| Yaniel | ping SKonstantin_tab | 20:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: no, it do not beep | 20:53 |
| Jonni | Sfiet_Konstantin: I was playing with minimize code example a few weeks back, but now I cant seem to find the sources in any if my common git repoes :), guess I forgot to push stuff from my work laptop :) | 20:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | passive notif is displayed though | 20:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jonni: not a problem | 20:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's a bit sad that lipstick do not provide dbus API for that | 20:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jonni: and how do you listen to key events ? I'm only familiar with Qt | 20:54 |
| Jonni | Sfiet_Konstantin: but i tested that iconify to foreground window id and windowactivete to lipstick id both worked and minized the current app. | 20:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jonni: ok. Need to learn X more | 20:57 |
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| Jonni | Sfiet_Konstantin: for capturing keyevents in qt you can use for example something like this http://www.codeprogress.com/cpp/libraries/qt/showQtExample.php?index=188&key=QApplicationInstallEventFilter and ofcourse if you want to do things without qt you can list listen events from /dev/input/event[x] device. | 21:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jonni: you cannot write a daemon with that | 21:11 |
| Jonni | sure you can :) | 21:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | uptime: 4h30, battery: 49% | 21:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Jonni: really ? | 21:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will try tomorrow I think | 21:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | today is battery test day | 21:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so, by extrapolation, the tab will last close to 9h with one charge | 21:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | idling | 21:13 |
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| w00t | Sfiet_Konstantin: look at mcompositor's source, it already grabs a key to do what you're asking | 21:25 |
| w00t | maybe you could patch it to make it configurable | 21:25 |
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| SfietKonstantin | w00t: is the mcompositor shipped in Sailfish simu the same as the one in github ? | 21:27 |
| w00t | SfietKonstantin: yes | 21:27 |
| SfietKonstantin | ok | 21:28 |
| w00t | (http://github.com/nemomobile/mcompositor) | 21:28 |
| SfietKonstantin | so I can replace the package in Sailfish simu with one that I compiled | 21:29 |
| SfietKonstantin | right, that's nice | 21:29 |
| SfietKonstantin | w00t: or maybe I should export a DBus api to perform that, what do you think is the best ? | 21:30 |
| w00t | SfietKonstantin: i'd say just leaving it in there and making it configurable is fine enough | 21:33 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | w00t: ok | 21:33 |
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| lclc | is there no "if" in QML? | 21:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: there is | 21:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, there is everything in JS | 21:58 |
| lclc | then whats wrong with that: | 21:58 |
| lclc | http://pastebin.com/c4heAwGT | 21:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: if is a JS statement | 21:58 |
| lbt | lclc: no there's no if | 21:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it should be put in either a function() | 21:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or a signal handler | 21:59 |
| lbt | state machine would probably be the best option iirc | 22:01 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | lclc: in that case, just put your button to visible: image.status ==Null | 22:01 |
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| lbt | lclc: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-4.8/qml-tutorial3.html | 22:03 |
| lbt | since you probably want a nice transition on state-change (ie fade in) | 22:03 |
| lclc | mmh so complicated compared to QWidget. I never liked HTML and I'm probably never gonna like QML. | 22:04 |
| lbt | lclc: hehe ... you're right, we shoulda used NEWS! | 22:06 |
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| GentSir | I'm back | 22:47 |
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| lbt | wb | 22:48 |
| GentSir | Thank you | 22:49 |
| GentSir | lbt, I was wondering. Aren't Sailfish OS and Nemo Mobile both aspiring to be Linux distributions for mobile usage? What's the fundamentally different about them that there needs to be two projects? | 22:56 |
| lbt | Nemo is a community driven place for open collaboration. SailfishOS extends into the commercial collaboration world too | 22:57 |
| lbt | so Sailfish alliance builds on Nemo | 22:57 |
| GentSir | lbt, so Nemo is the completely "open" version, but SailfishOS is more suitable for if hardware makers want to custom package it for their hardware? | 22:59 |
| lbt | good enough :) | 22:59 |
| lbt | typically commercial companies would consider commercial deals as cost-effective ways to solve some problems | 23:00 |
| lbt | eg consultancy, licensing , support | 23:00 |
| GentSir | and I know there's a stigma about completely FOSS solutions in many commercial companies | 23:01 |
| lbt | yeah, all kinds of FUD and confusion | 23:01 |
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| GentSir | lbt, so if they're fundamentally the same, why shouldn't I just build apps for Nemo and do the little bit of porting work to run it on SailfishOS? | 23:06 |
| GentSir | If Jolla as a company fails, I'm sure Nemo will live on | 23:06 |
| lbt | oh, for sure | 23:07 |
| lbt | Mer and Nemo came first and are designed to be more resilient than any one company | 23:07 |
| GentSir | I was amazed, I dropped into the terminal on Sailfish and released that it IS just a Linux system. I was impressed | 23:07 |
| lbt | but in turn that means that people have confidence in Sailfish underpinnings | 23:07 |
| lbt | and that makes it more likely to succeed | 23:07 |
| GentSir | Yes, I see the logic | 23:07 |
| GentSir | I surely hope it succeeds, I really like what I see so far. I'm delving into Qt/QML and hopefully I'll be able to make something useful | 23:08 |
| lbt | we're confident | 23:10 |
| GentSir | The "cover" pages remind me a lot of WinMo live tiles | 23:10 |
| GentSir | I really like the UI | 23:11 |
| GentSir | Android is a kludged together mess, but it's the best on the market right now, I'll be happy to buy my first Jolla branded phone | 23:11 |
| lbt | *g* | 23:12 |
| GentSir | I know you can't give too many details. But what are the plans for supported carriers and bands? | 23:14 |
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| GentSir | GSM/HSPA+ are pretty standard, so I'd assume they'd be in the first rollout | 23:15 |
| lbt | I simply don't know - we've made announcements about finnish and chinese carriers so far I think - check the press stuff for accuracy :) | 23:17 |
| GentSir | lbt, I wasn't going to quote you on it! But I'll check out the Jolla press releases | 23:18 |
| GentSir | The press release looks like it was translated into English from another language | 23:20 |
| GentSir | Or at least written by a non-native speaker | 23:20 |
| lbt | finnish :) | 23:20 |
| lbt | which? | 23:20 |
| GentSir | The november 21, 2012 press release | 23:20 |
| GentSir | I actually prefer reading stuff by non-native english speakers. Their grammar is much more precise and the text is more tersely worded. | 23:21 |
| GentSir | I'll admit that I have plenty of bad habits in English | 23:21 |
| lbt | hehe -- well I know for sure big chunks were at least edited by a native english speaker | 23:22 |
| lbt | but you can only do so much when editing | 23:22 |
| lbt | there's been more news since then around MWC | 23:23 |
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| GentSir | That's the only press release I saw. I went through the mailing list and every article I could find | 23:24 |
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| GentSir | Now I'm going through the twitter feed | 23:28 |
| GentSir | The things I'm willing to put up with for proper Linux | 23:28 |
| GeneralAntilles | GentSir, you haven't have much experience with Nokia's documentation, have you? | 23:28 |
| lbt | hey GeneralAntilles | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | Hi, lbt. | 23:29 |
| lbt | been a while :) | 23:29 |
| GentSir | GeneralAntilles, literally none. I've used a couple Nokia devices and really liked them, done a little Android development, but I've never touched Qt/QML before now | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | I've been around. ;) | 23:29 |
| GeneralAntilles | GentSir, well, their non-native speaker copy has historically been terrible. | 23:29 |
| lbt | Finns speak great english compared to English speakers speaking finnish | 23:30 |
| GentSir | GeneralAntilles, my first (and only) language is English. I was just commenting that good non-native speakers are much more precise | 23:30 |
| lbt | sadly they speak it so well they try to write it too :D :D :D | 23:31 |
| GentSir | I try to make sure I structure my sentences perfectly when talking in places like this where there are many non-native speakers. | 23:31 |
| lbt | nah, I figure I'm teaching them | 23:32 |
| GentSir | By slipping in slang and mixing up your grammar rules? | 23:32 |
| lbt | of course | 23:32 |
| GentSir | Mixing up your predicate and subject are you? | 23:32 |
| lbt | seriously though - we do make an effort to encourage non-native speakers around mer/nemo and of course sailfish | 23:33 |
| GentSir | Yes, I know many of the original Nokia engineers fall into that category | 23:34 |
| lbt | it just gets to be a problem when they'rs so proficient that I forget people are using a second language | 23:34 |
| GentSir | One of my best friends grew up in germany and speaks English as her second language, I've ran into that issue with her | 23:34 |
| lbt | run | 23:34 |
| lbt | or "I ran" | 23:35 |
| * lbt runs | 23:35 | |
| lbt | see :D | 23:35 |
| GentSir | Yeah, or "lay" and "lie". Little stuff a native speaker corrects automatically when reading it, but someone who isn't a native speaker tries to comprehend it literally. | 23:36 |
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| GentSir | I spent awhile trying to pick up Icelandic, tried to use it a little when I was at EVE Fanfest. The natives happily dropped into English for me instead of letting me struggle :/ | 23:37 |
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