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neochapay_ | mal: test with lastet nemomobile components https://github.com/neochapay/qtquickcontrols-nemo/tree/5.2 | 05:40 |
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AndreaBernabeifa | Correct | 06:26 |
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mal | neochapay_: I did test those | 08:30 |
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SergeyChupliginT | Reply to mal (IRC): | 08:31 |
SergeyChupliginT | ><mal (IRC)> neochapay_: I did test those | 08:31 |
SergeyChupliginT | I update tooday can you get me screenshot ? | 08:31 |
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mal | sure, I'll get some screenshots | 08:34 |
mal | hmm, how do I do that, I have never taken screenshots on this before | 08:35 |
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mal | found how to do it | 08:45 |
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mal | neochapay_: some screenshots http://vtkpp.dy.fi/fp2/nemo/ | 08:53 |
SergeyChupliginT | Switcher and textfield i fix on morning | 08:56 |
mal | the back button is one of the most annoying thing, it always takes many attempts to click it | 08:58 |
mal | neochapay_: also there is one bug I just noticed, in landscape mode the open apps cards in the open app list have their content upside down | 09:00 |
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SergeyChupliginT | Yea...i know... | 09:17 |
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mal | I missed that you had pushed some new changes after yesterday so I'll build a new package | 09:18 |
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mal | neochapay_: the scaling fix for switch is not completely ok, the ball is not round anymore | 09:23 |
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mal | neochapay_: also I think the text in header is slightly too large | 09:28 |
mal | neochapay_: the specification says the header should be 50 px high but it's now 75 px, or does that include the bottom margin or not | 09:31 |
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locusf | good stuff :) | 09:57 |
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locusf | https://build.merproject.org/package/show/nemo:devel:ux/glacier-settings is there now | 10:10 |
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mal | locusf: yay | 10:14 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | Btw | 10:59 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Don't you think glacier should have a slide back feature | 10:59 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Back button at top left corner is the worst UX design | 11:00 |
eetuTelegram[m] | Reply to Topias (Telegram): | 11:01 |
eetuTelegram[m] | >Don't you think glacier should have a slide back feature | 11:01 |
eetuTelegram[m] | I think it is in specs that qwazix wrote? Not sure tho:) | 11:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Where? | 11:01 |
locusf | it is there | 11:03 |
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locusf | https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec | 11:04 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | So the scaling issue | 11:08 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Is it fixed? | 11:08 |
locusf | at the homescreen, not yet | 11:09 |
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eetuTelegram[m] | http://nemomobile.github.io/#navigation | 11:12 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Very nice | 11:15 |
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mal | is the lockscreen supposed to appear when pressing the power button, for me it goes directly to homescreen and the previously open app is not fullscreen after that | 11:48 |
mal | it seems homescreen is always set as the current window when display is turned off | 11:50 |
locusf | yes this is correct | 11:51 |
locusf | should be fixed | 11:51 |
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SamTelegram[m] | Reply to eetu (Telegram): | 12:15 |
SamTelegram[m] | >http://nemomobile.github.io/#navigation | 12:15 |
SamTelegram[m] | I don't get the insistence on circle icons, they seem the least efficient way to store a glyph inside a container | 12:15 |
SamTelegram[m] | If your current icon is a square you'll have to either shrink it a lot to fit into the context or crop it, and putting it all side to side you can't put much information inside ir | 12:17 |
SamTelegram[m] | I've always thought nokia's squircles seem to be the best option for a rounded, standard guideline for iconography, allows enough free space to breathe yet enough space to express your idea | 12:18 |
TopiasTelegram[m | we can't just go copy squircles though | 12:19 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I don't think there's really a problem with circles | 12:20 |
TopiasTelegram[m | besides they can extend over it | 12:20 |
TopiasTelegram[m | which leaves space for imagination | 12:21 |
SamTelegram[m] | Nokia doesn't hold a copyright over a shape, although I agree we should have our own identity (Ubuntu had reshaped their icons for U8), if you're extending it you're already deviating from the standard you've set | 12:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 12:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | >Nokia doesn't hold a copyright over a shape, although I agree we should have our own identity (Ubuntu had reshaped their icons for U8), if you're extending it you're already deviating from the standard you've set | 12:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | what do you mean by the last one? | 12:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | oh | 12:26 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I mean the icons aren't confined totally inside the cirlce | 12:26 |
TopiasTelegram[m | they can have protruding elements | 12:26 |
SamTelegram[m] | If every application deviates from the standard then there is no standard | 12:27 |
mal | but the standard has been defined as a non-confined circle, meaning some parts can go over the circle | 12:29 |
TopiasTelegram[m | how about you read the standard again | 12:29 |
TopiasTelegram[m | "t doesn’t have to be absolutely circular, some parts can stick out of the circle and actually this practice is recommended." | 12:30 |
TopiasTelegram[m | this was stated in the iconography spec | 12:30 |
TopiasTelegram[m | that is the whole idea | 12:30 |
TopiasTelegram[m | see how the standard set of icons aren't all complete circles | 12:30 |
SergeyChupliginT | Reply to mal (IRC): | 12:35 |
SergeyChupliginT | ><mal (IRC)> neochapay_: the specification says the header should be 50 px high but it's now 75 px, or does that include the bottom margin or not | 12:35 |
SergeyChupliginT | If we run glacier on phone 50px is normal but if we run on retina like device we dont see anything ! We need scale interface you must use di or mm | 12:35 |
mal | but that has the scaling already, just that the basevalue before scaling is wrong | 12:35 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to Sergey Игоревич Chupligin (Telegram): | 12:36 |
TopiasTelegram[m | >If we run glacier on phone 50px is normal but if we run on retina like device we dont see anything ! We need scale interface you must use di or mm | 12:36 |
TopiasTelegram[m | isn't there one in place that came out just today? | 12:36 |
SamTelegram[m] | Qt can work with malleable units rather than pixels | 12:36 |
mal | https://github.com/neochapay/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/5.2/src/controls/Header.qml#L65 | 12:36 |
TopiasTelegram[m | https://twitter.com/NemoMobile/status/850654043173158912 | 12:37 |
mal | and https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/header/header.pdf | 12:37 |
mal | latter says 50u and the code says 75 | 12:37 |
SergeyChupliginT | I create size class on quickcontols on it you can see di and mm functions | 12:38 |
mal | yes, I know, but I am talking about the value before scaling | 12:38 |
mal | just look at the two links I just posted, to me the height (before scaling) in the header is too large compared to the spec | 12:43 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | guys, I just setup my nemo dev environment | 13:08 |
TopiasTelegram[m | is there anything that needs fixing I could look into? | 13:09 |
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SamTelegram[m] | @locusf | 13:25 |
locusf | yes | 13:26 |
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SamTelegram[m] | just prototyped this | 13:45 |
SamTelegram[m] | is this a good style | 13:46 |
SamTelegram[m] | I want to redo the current icon set | 13:46 |
eetuTelegram[m] | where is qwazix :D | 13:46 |
TopiasTelegram[m | there is one inconvenience in the current icon style | 13:48 |
TopiasTelegram[m | since the spec defines that the icons can have stuff going outside of the circle | 13:49 |
TopiasTelegram[m | this means each icon requires to have spacing baked in the icons | 13:50 |
SamTelegram[m] | the n9 template spec fixes this with a breathing space for the glyph | 13:50 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | and thus this causes some annoying scaling issues to icons not conforming to this icon spec | 13:50 |
SamTelegram[m] | turns out a circle almost conforms with it | 13:50 |
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SamTelegram[m] | so a circle isnt so bad | 13:51 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but what does this have to do with nemo? | 13:52 |
SamTelegram[m] | It is a nice reference to have and discuss for iconography | 13:52 |
eetuTelegram[m] | https://web.archive.org/web/20160406182505/http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=364 | 13:52 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I see | 13:52 |
SamTelegram[m] | this also fixes the problem of a standard fof existing applications with glyphs not optimized for circles | 13:54 |
TopiasTelegram[m | care to elaborate? | 13:54 |
TopiasTelegram[m | not sure what you mean | 13:54 |
TopiasTelegram[m | fof? | 13:54 |
SamTelegram[m] | for* | 13:54 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 13:56 |
TopiasTelegram[m | >this also fixes the problem of a standard for existing applications with glyphs not optimized for circles | 13:56 |
TopiasTelegram[m | what do you mean? | 13:56 |
SamTelegram[m] | just pasting a circle overlay over an existing logo that wasnt optimized for a circle shape will just crop it, it needs some breathing space | 13:56 |
TopiasTelegram[m | so | 13:57 |
TopiasTelegram[m | you mean | 13:57 |
TopiasTelegram[m | that the icon itself | 13:57 |
TopiasTelegram[m | is just a square shaped area inside the square | 13:57 |
TopiasTelegram[m | circle* | 13:57 |
TopiasTelegram[m | square inside the circle I mean | 13:58 |
TopiasTelegram[m | like on the squircles | 13:58 |
SamTelegram[m] | we could make a helper for that so it keeps consistence | 13:58 |
SamTelegram[m] | apple does the same | 13:58 |
SamTelegram[m] | not sure what is the guideline for Android O which has circular icons | 13:58 |
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SamTelegram[m] | apple recommends the glyph to be placed inside the first circle | 13:59 |
TopiasTelegram[m | good thing about it is consistency | 14:00 |
TopiasTelegram[m | although there is certain charm in the nemo styling | 14:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | being the same shapes, yet you can extend over | 14:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but | 14:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | it's kind of annoying from coding stand point | 14:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | if you run Glacier on a sailfish phone, which has both android apps and sailfish apps alongside nemo | 14:02 |
TopiasTelegram[m | it creates a peculiar problem | 14:02 |
TopiasTelegram[m | of course, it'd be ideal that all icons would conform to the spec | 14:03 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but that'd mean each application should have an alternative icon | 14:03 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | so here's the problem | 14:05 |
TopiasTelegram[m | in order to place icons that they look about the same size | 14:05 |
qwazix | eekkelund: eetuTelegram[m] hi, I'm here | 14:06 |
TopiasTelegram[m | problem is, sailfish icons and android icons are "edge to edge" | 14:07 |
TopiasTelegram[m | or I don't know about android | 14:07 |
TopiasTelegram[m | anyway | 14:07 |
TopiasTelegram[m | at least sailfish icons are | 14:07 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but nemo icons are not | 14:07 |
eekkelund | qwazix: Ooh awesome, ATM we are having discussion about nemo icons, I thought you would have some ideas/opinions :) | 14:07 |
qwazix | I'm mobile atm but we can talk in ~3h more easily when I'll be @keyboard | 14:08 |
TopiasTelegram[m | ok | 14:08 |
qwazix | I'm listening | 14:08 |
TopiasTelegram[m | since the nemo icons have extra space, the circle isn't from edge to edge | 14:08 |
qwazix | yep | 14:08 |
qwazix | so there's an issue with centering | 14:09 |
eekkelund | Sounds good, there has been lots of questions about design :)^ if you will be able to read the backlog | 14:09 |
TopiasTelegram[m | so that means, sailfish icons and nemo icons should be handled very differently in the UI | 14:09 |
mal | is there a svg template for the icons | 14:09 |
qwazix | ah, yeah didn't think of that :-S | 14:09 |
SamTelegram[m] | right now the temple is a circle | 14:10 |
mal | that would make things easier if there would be a template with correct spacing around the circle | 14:10 |
TopiasTelegram[m | from a programming aspect, I don't know how would you even be able to handle the icons differently | 14:10 |
TopiasTelegram[m | mal: that's really not the problem here. If every dev just conform to the spec. | 14:12 |
SamTelegram[m] | the developer itself can set it on the .desktop file | 14:13 |
SamTelegram[m] | for example, if there's nemoIcon= param it chooses that instead of icon | 14:13 |
SamTelegram[m] | or seeks in a folder first | 14:13 |
SamTelegram[m] | if using a theme | 14:13 |
qwazix | hmm, that's easy. I'll fix something up. I'm trying to remember how we initially solved that (cause if we hadn't the icons wouldn't be aligned @ homescreen) | 14:14 |
SamTelegram[m] | 1. Check for nemoIcon, if so, skip 2 | 14:14 |
SamTelegram[m] | 2. Check for icon | 14:14 |
SamTelegram[m] | 3. Check for theme folder for the same filename as icon | 14:14 |
eekkelund | qwazix, btw any updates getting the play.qwazix.com online ?:) | 14:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to qwazix (IRC): | 14:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | ><qwazix (IRC)> hmm, that's easy. I'll fix something up. I'm trying to remember how we initially solved that (cause if we hadn't the icons wouldn't be aligned @ homescreen) | 14:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | the problem seems to have solved by having all icons the same size | 14:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | padding included | 14:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | at least when I had a look at one of the icons | 14:17 |
qwazix | are the icons scaled when displayed? we can make them display 1:1 and then make them bigger than the spec so that they display at the same size as the sailfish icons. | 14:17 |
qwazix | though that's dirty | 14:17 |
SamTelegram[m] | I'd make them take all the border space | 14:18 |
SamTelegram[m] | Then just give enough padding to breathe in qml | 14:18 |
qwazix | re: grog, I now have access to the backup so I'll give it a go this week. I have to download a 200G MySql data folder and set up an Ubuntu 10.04 and that period mysql to try and get the db back | 14:19 |
eekkelund | qwazix: super!:) thanks! | 14:20 |
qwazix | (not the most fun of tasks, but yeah) | 14:20 |
qwazix | I'll read the backlog and try responding too. It's good to revive this, and I'll try to be more active. | 14:22 |
eetuTelegram[m] | #GlacierRevival | 14:22 |
qwazix | also I can't wait to try glacier on an Xperia | 14:23 |
TopiasTelegram[m | qwazix: not sure if that hack is a good solution | 14:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | @samzn is right | 14:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | the icons should take all the space and then the padding done in QML | 14:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | since this spec is a nightmare from a coding standpoint | 14:26 |
qwazix | yeah but for those icons that nothing sticks out of the circle there needs to be some space in the png | 14:26 |
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qwazix | otherwise we'd end up with circles of variable sizes | 14:28 |
SamTelegram[m] | I think a breathing space of the size of a perfect square inside the circle is good enough for the glyph | 14:29 |
qwazix | SamTelegram[m]: these icons don't have anything sticking out of the circle | 14:29 |
SamTelegram[m] | They can still protude to the sidez | 14:29 |
SamTelegram[m] | sides | 14:29 |
SamTelegram[m] | A-la whatsapp | 14:29 |
qwazix | hmmm, let me give it some thought and come up with something. Then we can discusss it in terms of ease of coding. | 14:31 |
TopiasTelegram[m | qwazix: I know that | 14:31 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I really do like the idea | 14:32 |
TopiasTelegram[m | it's unique | 14:32 |
qwazix | I'd rather not have to change the icons again. We have a lot of new ones to make | 14:32 |
TopiasTelegram[m | yeah, I know | 14:32 |
TopiasTelegram[m | nothing wrong with the icons per se | 14:33 |
TopiasTelegram[m | where the heck do I find LauncherFolderModel | 14:33 |
qwazix | I'm leaning towards the 'nemoicon' in the .desktop file approach | 14:34 |
TopiasTelegram[m | It doesn't sound too bad of an approach | 14:34 |
SamTelegram[m] | nemoicon should only work as a fallback for multiplat that target other OSes first | 14:35 |
AndreaBernabeifa | Reply to Topias (Telegram): | 14:35 |
AndreaBernabeifa | >where the heck do I find LauncherFolderModel | 14:35 |
AndreaBernabeifa | Sounds like a lipstick-y element | 14:35 |
TopiasTelegram[m | yeah, it's lipstick | 14:35 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | welcome | 14:43 |
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JimCorriganTeleg | Thanks | 14:43 |
JimCorriganTeleg | I'm braziliam | 14:44 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Hi, what brings you here? | 14:47 |
SamTelegram[m] | oh no | 14:47 |
TopiasTelegram[m | oh no what? | 14:48 |
TopiasTelegram[m | btw @samzn, qwazix, would that new nemoicon parameter in the desktop file mean that the nemo lipstick models should be changed for it to work? | 14:49 |
SamTelegram[m] | For people targeting multiplat, just add a line saying nemoIcon=whatever.png | 14:49 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I get it | 14:49 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but | 14:49 |
TopiasTelegram[m | to be able to utilize that | 14:49 |
SamTelegram[m] | havent checked lipstick code deeply yet :D | 14:50 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I think lipstick needs to be changed | 14:50 |
JimCorriganTeleg | I am a linux user and I liked Nemo but I can not install in my nokia n9 | 14:50 |
SamTelegram[m] | yews | 14:50 |
SamTelegram[m] | Where do you live Jim? | 14:50 |
SamTelegram[m] | Which city | 14:50 |
TopiasTelegram[m | seems like awful a lot of work just for fancy icons | 14:50 |
SamTelegram[m] | Doesn't seem too difficult | 14:50 |
SamTelegram[m] | If you want to focus on consistency it should be done | 14:51 |
SamTelegram[m] | But shouldn't be high priority | 14:51 |
JimCorriganTeleg | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 14:53 |
JimCorriganTeleg | >Where do you live Jim? | 14:53 |
JimCorriganTeleg | Brasil | 14:53 |
TopiasTelegram[m | which city | 14:54 |
JimCorriganTeleg | São paulo | 14:54 |
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EmanueleSorceTel | where live my gran! | 14:54 |
JimCorriganTeleg | When I get up in the last part of the folder ALT_OS does not make the extraction | 14:56 |
qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m: I don't remember the specifics but I don't think it should be too hard to make the padding in the qml dependent on a value in the .desktop | 14:57 |
JimCorriganTeleg | I follow the tutorial in maemo and only in that part that does not work | 14:57 |
qwazix | another possibility is to pad the icons at install time if a line in the rpm (yaml iirc?) is not present | 14:58 |
JimCorriganTeleg | How so? | 15:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to qwazix (IRC): | 15:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | ><qwazix (IRC)> another possibility is to pad the icons at install time if a line in the rpm (yaml iirc?) is not present | 15:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | don't follow | 15:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | seems weird | 15:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but I don't know much about lipstick code either | 15:02 |
TopiasTelegram[m | phone icon looks cool but I don't think many people recognise the dial | 15:05 |
TopiasTelegram[m | if kids these days don't know what the phone icon ear piece is | 15:06 |
TopiasTelegram[m | since many kids haven't seen a landline in their whole life | 15:07 |
JimCorriganTeleg | Then I did everything right as the tutorial, only in the last part of that is to extract the image to the folder Alt_OS that gives an error... says that there is no such file in the directory | 15:08 |
qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m: i know but the diskette is also something old but you just need to click it once to learn it so I don't think it'll be too confusing | 15:11 |
qwazix | Also we 're targeting people that by default like to tinker and see novel things | 15:13 |
qwazix | gtg, will be back from PC in a few hours | 15:14 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to qwazix (IRC): | 15:15 |
TopiasTelegram[m | ><qwazix (IRC)> Also we 're targeting people that by default like to tinker and see novel things | 15:15 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I think you shouldn't limit design decisions based on the audience | 15:15 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but instead use concepts everyone understands | 15:15 |
JimCorriganTeleg | But more so, when you lap the command at the command line of the linux terminal precisely this error that I mentioned | 15:15 |
JimCorriganTeleg | I really want to use Nemo mobile, the ICQ works on it? | 15:16 |
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SamTelegram[m] | thoughts? | 15:18 |
SamTelegram[m] | still working on calendar, I think gradient is too strong | 15:20 |
eetuTelegram[m] | So the old icon set is not good orr? 😨 | 15:22 |
eetuTelegram[m] | https://web.archive.org/web/20160406232500im_/http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/iconset-359x1024.png | 15:22 |
SamTelegram[m] | I'm just prototyping | 15:24 |
JimCorriganTeleg | ICQ works in Nemo? | 15:24 |
eetuTelegram[m] | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 15:39 |
eetuTelegram[m] | >I'm just prototyping | 15:39 |
eetuTelegram[m] | Oko looks nice :) IMO | 15:39 |
TopiasTelegram[m | @Jim_corrigan I don't know what you use to connect to ICQ | 15:41 |
TopiasTelegram[m | didn't know anyone uses it these days... | 15:41 |
JimCorriganTeleg | Which App do you use? | 15:42 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I don't use ICQ | 15:42 |
TopiasTelegram[m | afaik, there's no ICQ client for Sailfish OS nor Nemo | 15:43 |
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JimCorriganTeleg | Reply to Topias (Telegram): | 15:56 |
JimCorriganTeleg | >afaik, there's no ICQ client for Sailfish OS nor Nemo | 15:56 |
JimCorriganTeleg | And whatsapp? | 15:56 |
SamTelegram[m] | whatsapp is proprietary and third party clients stopped working | 15:56 |
JimCorriganTeleg | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 15:57 |
JimCorriganTeleg | >whatsapp is proprietary and third party clients stopped working | 15:57 |
JimCorriganTeleg | Has no? | 15:57 |
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SergeyChupliginT | ok i comback online. So what happining on chat ? :) | 16:07 |
TopiasTelegram[m | we were discussing about the iconography | 16:07 |
TopiasTelegram[m | some programming challenges happen because of the iconography style | 16:08 |
SergeyChupliginT | yea...icons it primary...without app :))) | 16:08 |
SamTelegram[m] | kek | 16:11 |
SergeyChupliginT | okay...i have a beer...i have a toolbar...ahhhhhh...i go away coding :) | 16:13 |
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SamTelegram[m] | maybe this flatter? | 16:13 |
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eetuTelegram[m] | Reply to Sergey Игоревич Chupligin (Telegram): | 16:16 |
eetuTelegram[m] | >okay...i have a beer...i have a toolbar...ahhhhhh...i go away coding :) | 16:16 |
eetuTelegram[m] | 👌😂 | 16:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | @samzn I must say you're a wizard with these icons | 16:20 |
SamTelegram[m] | I'm just a guy starving on a third world shithole | 16:20 |
TopiasTelegram[m | lol, doesn't sound too nice | 16:20 |
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SamTelegram[m] | Generic icons aren't too hard to construct once you have a solid guideline | 16:21 |
SamTelegram[m] | I'll put it all in a collection and see what the team thinks | 16:22 |
SamTelegram[m] | I'll make some protuding as well | 16:22 |
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mal | just a little thing I noticed, the current statusbar doesn't support multisim devices | 16:37 |
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SergeyChupliginT | Reply to mal (IRC): | 16:54 |
SergeyChupliginT | ><mal (IRC)> just a little thing I noticed, the current statusbar doesn't support multisim devices | 16:54 |
SergeyChupliginT | yea...i know it. I thnk it not problem | 16:54 |
coderus | guys, you fu**ing flooded this irc channel: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/latest.log.html | 16:58 |
coderus | thats why i fu**ing hate such bridges/gates/matrix/shmatrix things | 17:00 |
TopiasTelegram[m | flooded how? | 17:00 |
TopiasTelegram[m | you mean these reply lines? | 17:01 |
mal | well my FP2 is dual-sim so I'll probably try to fix it | 17:01 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to mal (IRC): | 17:03 |
TopiasTelegram[m | ><mal (IRC)> just a little thing I noticed, the current statusbar doesn't support multisim devices | 17:03 |
TopiasTelegram[m | yea...i know it. I thnk it not problem | 17:03 |
mal | actually I cannot even enter the pin on fp2 at the moment | 17:03 |
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SamTelegram[m] | I had that issue, hacky fix is to slide, turn off screen while lockscreen is on edge | 17:05 |
mal | I cannot even get the lockscreen to show | 17:05 |
TopiasTelegram[m | problems with lockscreen on jp1 too | 17:06 |
mal | the device claims no pin is required which is not true | 17:07 |
mal | maybe ofono has changed somehow and the current code fails | 17:07 |
coderus | TopiasTelegram[m: yes these replay lines. 3 lines of text instead one | 17:10 |
coderus | you beaking irc experience :( | 17:11 |
SamTelegram[m] | sorry lad :( | 17:11 |
coderus | :( | 17:12 |
kimmoli | a bit too noisy | 17:12 |
coderus | and these long XXXTelegram[m] nicknames are breaking my mind | 17:12 |
eekkelund | coderus, sorry. But nemomobile is getting a lot more discussion this way..:/ | 17:12 |
SamTelegram[m] | can we change it so on the irc bridge it's simpler? | 17:13 |
coderus | eekkelund: no problem, just configure your/not your, doesnt matter, irc bridge to make messages here match irc way | 17:14 |
TopiasTelegram[m | irc side could be more simple | 17:14 |
TopiasTelegram[m | the telegram irc bot on the other hand worked a lot better on irc side | 17:15 |
TopiasTelegram[m | much less spammy than this matrix bot | 17:15 |
coderus | i hope it can be configured | 17:15 |
TopiasTelegram[m | probably not | 17:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | well it could | 17:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but then it would look the same on the matrix side | 17:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | if people are fine with it on matrix side then sure | 17:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | for now, use less replies | 17:17 |
eekkelund | I think matrix side has less users and doesn't have logging. So I would say IRC clean, matrix more spammy :) | 17:17 |
TopiasTelegram[m | how do you configure the matrix bot though... | 17:17 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but it's either or pretty much | 17:18 |
TopiasTelegram[m | since it goes telegram <> matrix <> irc | 17:18 |
TopiasTelegram[m | @M1kaela you know about the matrix bridge | 17:19 |
TopiasTelegram[m | btw, how do I find the channel on matrix | 17:20 |
MkaelaTelegram[m | Reply to Topias (Telegram): | 17:20 |
MkaelaTelegram[m | >@M1kaela you know about the matrix bridge | 17:20 |
MkaelaTelegram[m | What is the question, sorry I just got home and am half-asleep (thank goodness it's over and tomorrow is just excited partying) | 17:20 |
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MkaelaTelegram[m | Reply to Topias (Telegram): | 17:21 |
MkaelaTelegram[m | >btw, how do I find the channel on matrix | 17:21 |
MkaelaTelegram[m | #nemo:matrix.org | 17:21 |
TopiasTelegram[m | we have a thing here | 17:21 |
TopiasTelegram[m | people don't like the matrix telegram bot | 17:21 |
TopiasTelegram[m | or how it displays replys | 17:22 |
TopiasTelegram[m | is it possible to configure it so that it looks similar to how teleirc worked? | 17:22 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I guess we should use teleirc instead of matrix bridge | 17:26 |
TopiasTelegram[m | that is more irc friendly | 17:27 |
TopiasTelegram[m | also would fix the long names | 17:27 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I don't like them either... I would prefer my name to be displayed as toxip in irc or something | 17:28 |
MkaelaTelegram[m | I guess you should ask Milan / @tchncs. I am sadly not available for running TeleIRC, one instance is enough bother and as I possibly said earlier, I moved it to PirateIRC. | 17:28 |
TopiasTelegram[m | yeah, I know, you're already more than enough overloaded | 17:29 |
TopiasTelegram[m | maybe @eekkelund? you got a raspberry pi? | 17:29 |
MkaelaTelegram[m | It might be fun to run two instances though, but I tried to have less things depending on me... | 17:29 |
MkaelaTelegram[m | I would have a Pi, but it's offline most of time and I tend to save energy by not running modem and router or anything else at night or when I leave the apartment since I moved to stock electricity price | 17:30 |
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SamTelegram[m] | Why don't we have Glacier like this :) | 17:34 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | are you being lazy with the labels? | 17:35 |
SamTelegram[m] | just a mockup | 17:35 |
TopiasTelegram[m | those are quite pretty icons I give you that | 17:36 |
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SamTelegram[m] | better? | 17:37 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | yes :) | 17:38 |
SamTelegram[m] | I want the team's feedback on this | 17:38 |
SamTelegram[m] | Couldn't think of produting icons so far | 17:39 |
locusf | nice :) | 17:39 |
SergeyChupliginT | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 17:39 |
SergeyChupliginT | Like tizen :)))))) | 17:39 |
SamTelegram[m] | D: | 17:40 |
TopiasTelegram[m | well, not gonna use that shit then :D | 17:42 |
TopiasTelegram[m | tizen, eww, take it away from me :D | 17:43 |
TopiasTelegram[m | it does look a bit touchwiz esque | 17:45 |
TopiasTelegram[m | at least these generic, phone, video, music etc | 17:45 |
TopiasTelegram[m | in comparison, the nemo styling is more like items associated in the real world | 17:47 |
TopiasTelegram[m | clock, notes and calendar icons of @samzn's set are more in line with that | 17:48 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | @qwazix I have a suggestion | 17:50 |
mal | just a small comment about the calendar icon, I think it's better if it would not have the month text as it should be language independent | 17:51 |
TopiasTelegram[m | good point | 17:51 |
TopiasTelegram[m | anyway, what if the icons could have protruding items only in the corners? | 17:52 |
eetuTelegram[m] | nemo-maliiiit | 17:52 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | what's this? :O | 17:52 |
eetuTelegram[m] | maliit keyboard :D | 17:52 |
eetuTelegram[m] | nemo version :) | 17:52 |
SamTelegram[m] | i love it | 17:54 |
TopiasTelegram[m | veery nice :) | 17:56 |
TopiasTelegram[m | is that nipple in the middle for gestures? | 17:57 |
SergeyChupliginT | Reply to eetu (Telegram): | 17:57 |
SergeyChupliginT | sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet | 17:57 |
TopiasTelegram[m | @samzn you could make a nice icon theme with those icons | 17:59 |
eetuTelegram[m] | yeah, that is for cursor interaction like in thinkpads :) | 18:01 |
eetuTelegram[m] | https://web.archive.org/web/20160308062045/http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=626 | 18:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | so it could move the text cursor around? | 18:02 |
eetuTelegram[m] | Yes :) | 18:02 |
SamTelegram[m] | wp10 had a nice implementation of the nipple | 18:03 |
SamTelegram[m] | could be better if you could just scroll with gestures instead of a virtual keypad | 18:03 |
eetuTelegram[m] | I just made the old one scalable, the keyboard was ready. And made the cursor be usable, it wasn't in the old one :) | 18:03 |
SamTelegram[m] | like bb10 | 18:03 |
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qwazix | hi again, time to read the backlog | 18:06 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | welcome back qwazix | 18:09 |
SamTelegram[m] | What is your feedback on the icons qwazix | 18:11 |
SamTelegram[m] | https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/tchncs.de/uGydXIbukzwNPKwHzhZzSUrD | 18:12 |
qwazix | SamTelegram[m], need to check the homescreen qml a bit, give me a sec | 18:12 |
SamTelegram[m] | can you give me some ideas of protusion? | 18:12 |
SamTelegram[m] | ok | 18:12 |
qwazix | SamTelegram[m], they are nice icons, though I didn't know we were to move away from these http://vtkpp.dy.fi/fp2/nemo/20170408114330.png | 18:14 |
SamTelegram[m] | I'm just prototyping some ideas, nothing is decided to change | 18:14 |
SamTelegram[m] | But I think cleaner icons look better visually and for the PR of the project, even in early stages | 18:15 |
TopiasTelegram[m | qwazix: one idea for the protruding elements | 18:15 |
TopiasTelegram[m | do you think it would suffice to have the protruding parts only in the corners | 18:15 |
TopiasTelegram[m | so that the dimensions of the icons wouldn't extend too much | 18:16 |
qwazix | ok, my idea was to have some things stick out of the circle just so there's the idea of breaking out of the box. | 18:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | the edges of the circle would fit a rectangle | 18:16 |
qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m, it's not a bad idea | 18:16 |
TopiasTelegram[m | in the case of the weather icon for instance, the little zigzag pattern would be right at the edge | 18:18 |
TopiasTelegram[m | and the cloud could extend out of the corner | 18:18 |
TopiasTelegram[m | this would be much easier to make the icons match the UI | 18:18 |
qwazix | Yep, and as I see it, only the irc icon and packages icon would need to be 'fixed' | 18:19 |
qwazix | maybe maps too | 18:19 |
TopiasTelegram[m | music and weather | 18:19 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I think they need to be fixed too | 18:20 |
TopiasTelegram[m | gallery size needs to be fixed | 18:21 |
TopiasTelegram[m | maybe | 18:21 |
qwazix | yep | 18:21 |
TopiasTelegram[m | only small adjustments needed | 18:21 |
qwazix | though the irc one was my favorite :-) | 18:21 |
TopiasTelegram[m | you don't need to change the style | 18:22 |
qwazix | weather fits ok | 18:22 |
qwazix | just needs scaling | 18:22 |
TopiasTelegram[m | the cloud doesn't extend too far? | 18:22 |
qwazix | no, I just checked, it doesn't stick out of the jagged edges | 18:23 |
TopiasTelegram[m | camera? | 18:23 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I think it does | 18:23 |
qwazix | on a closer zoom it sticks out ever so slightly. Can be fixed bu nudging left | 18:24 |
TopiasTelegram[m | store icon is a bit too abstract in my opinion though | 18:24 |
TopiasTelegram[m | people don't associate a package into apps | 18:24 |
qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m, it was back when there was a package manager, not store. It was actually something close to synaptic | 18:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I see | 18:25 |
qwazix | ignore that, we'll make a new one | 18:25 |
TopiasTelegram[m | alright | 18:26 |
TopiasTelegram[m | but yeah, I think this is a good solution for the icon scale issue :) | 18:26 |
qwazix | also I think that we get away with a very small size difference between our icons and sailfish ones, so that we have a bit more space to accomodate the protrusions | 18:26 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | that could work too | 18:27 |
qwazix | btw where's the repo with the actual icons used? | 18:28 |
TopiasTelegram[m | so add a slight padding outside the circle | 18:28 |
TopiasTelegram[m | @eekkelund do you know? | 18:28 |
eetuTelegram[m] | Is it this one https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/nemo-theme-glacier/tree/master/cc3/icons | 18:29 |
qwazix | yep, 3-5% | 18:29 |
eetuTelegram[m] | @locusf any idea? | 18:30 |
qwazix | that should be it, but I see only png's | 18:30 |
eetuTelegram[m] | hmh | 18:30 |
locusf | yes thats it | 18:30 |
qwazix | Ok, then how do we include the svg's in there? | 18:31 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 18:31 |
TopiasTelegram[m | having a similar guideline for the styles would be good | 18:31 |
SamTelegram[m] | These prototypes are following a set style similar to the one from Nokia | 18:31 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 18:32 |
TopiasTelegram[m | this | 18:32 |
locusf | actually | 18:32 |
locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/nemo-artwork | 18:32 |
qwazix | shouldn't we have the typical freedesktop directory structure (48x48, 96x96, scalable, etc.) | 18:32 |
qwazix | locusf thanks, I'll do a pull request there with the modified icons | 18:33 |
TopiasTelegram[m | qwazix | 18:33 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I think if you use the weather icon zagged edges as a reference | 18:34 |
TopiasTelegram[m | add that much extra space around the icons | 18:34 |
TopiasTelegram[m | so it's only a couple more pixels | 18:35 |
qwazix | I resized the svg viewbox to 90 instead of 100 and now the difference with the sailfish icon looks like this http://qwazix.com/shared/rect4533.png | 18:47 |
qwazix | and almost everything fits with very minor modifications | 18:48 |
TopiasTelegram[m | that is already a tremendous difference | 18:53 |
TopiasTelegram[m | much better! | 18:54 |
TopiasTelegram[m | and the irc icon still fits as is? | 18:54 |
TopiasTelegram[m | qwazix | 18:54 |
qwazix | it needs a very minor mod | 18:54 |
qwazix | refresh your browser tab | 18:56 |
TopiasTelegram[m | browser tab? | 18:57 |
qwazix | the new image fits, the left is just moved a bit off center, the right has the two bubbles resized a little | 18:57 |
qwazix | yeah the image I just shared, I overwrote it | 18:57 |
qwazix | http://qwazix.com/shared/rect4533.png | 18:57 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I think sailfish icons are 85px | 18:58 |
qwazix | This solution also 'fixes' the 'other way around' problem, of installing nemo apps on sailfish, which the 'nemoIcon' line solution didn't address unless jolla modified their home too | 18:59 |
TopiasTelegram[m | sounds good | 18:59 |
qwazix | actual size doesn't really matter | 18:59 |
TopiasTelegram[m | perfect! | 18:59 |
TopiasTelegram[m | do nemo apps use svg by default? | 18:59 |
qwazix | ok, I'll fix them all, export png's and do pull request | 19:00 |
TopiasTelegram[m | excellent! | 19:00 |
qwazix | no, I think they use png's but we should be dpi-independent anyway. We've discussed a few ways to do that, and the consensus was to create png's at install time | 19:01 |
TopiasTelegram[m | interesting | 19:02 |
qwazix | depending on the dpi of the device. That doesn't solve the issue of external displays however. With the modern hardware my opinion is to re-examine the possibility of displaying svg's directly and just limit the features of the svg | 19:02 |
TopiasTelegram[m | so it takes the svg and converts it to png on install | 19:02 |
qwazix | symbian did that ages ago | 19:03 |
qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m, I don't think that was ever implemented | 19:03 |
TopiasTelegram[m | well, the idea of it anyway | 19:03 |
SamTelegram[m] | gnome can use svg icons | 19:03 |
SamTelegram[m] | but I think for now we could juse use high res png files | 19:03 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I think using svg would be a sustainable solution | 19:03 |
TopiasTelegram[m | agreed | 19:04 |
qwazix | Yeah. For the OS it would be a line in the .ks so that png's were created upon image creation, and for apps as a post-install script. Imagemagick is there anyway | 19:04 |
qwazix | back then, we decided not to do svg's due to scrolling performance considerations | 19:05 |
TopiasTelegram[m | oh... | 19:05 |
eetuTelegram[m] | One can put script inside od svg, is that security wise good idea?:D | 19:05 |
TopiasTelegram[m | good point | 19:05 |
qwazix | I don't think that's an issue | 19:06 |
eetuTelegram[m] | but that is just third party icons, I think that our own icons are safe :D | 19:06 |
SamTelegram[m] | generate a raster image from the svg on runtime | 19:06 |
SamTelegram[m] | generating per device icons is stupid | 19:06 |
qwazix | You've just installed an app which had root priviliges to run its post install scripts, why would anyone put a malicious script in the icon | 19:06 |
SamTelegram[m] | or use high res png | 19:06 |
qwazix | not to mention that the homescreen viewer is unlikely to run scripts in the svg | 19:07 |
TopiasTelegram[m | is it possible to have multiple icon sizes? | 19:08 |
TopiasTelegram[m | like generate 45 85 and 105 for instance | 19:08 |
SamTelegram[m] | Android does that | 19:09 |
SamTelegram[m] | we could have something similar if we use nemoIcon on the .desktop | 19:09 |
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SamTelegram[m] | https://gitlab.com/xphnx/twelf_cm12_theme/tree/master/theme/src/main/assets/icons/res | 19:10 |
SamTelegram[m] | the icon selected is rounded up based on the dpi value | 19:10 |
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SamTelegram[m] | a 400dpi phone would get a xxhdpi icon | 19:11 |
qwazix | We could just create a cache of icons from svg the first time a new dpi is detected (i.e. if a new display is present, or after install) | 19:14 |
qwazix | so that we have exactly the size we need and we don't have to force developers to create so many icons. | 19:15 |
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SamTelegram[m] | if it's too much trouble to implement svg rasterization I'd rather just do multiple icons | 19:16 |
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SamTelegram[m] | all other systems do so, and often it's automatically packaged | 19:16 |
qwazix | mogrify -density 200 -format png icon-app-clock.svg | 19:17 |
qwazix | though there's the issue that imagemagick doesn't support everything that inkscape does | 19:18 |
SamTelegram[m] | wouldn't there be disparity of resources between two devices | 19:18 |
qwazix | SamTelegram[m], meaning? | 19:19 |
SamTelegram[m] | that could be set per developer | 19:19 |
qwazix | that imagemagick might not be installed? | 19:19 |
SamTelegram[m] | no but if the user connects to another display, or somehow transfers an app to another phone, the icon would be in disparity | 19:20 |
SamTelegram[m] | I can work on a DPI system for lipstick | 19:20 |
qwazix | if the user connects to another display, the phone should look in the cache folder for the required size, and if not found create a png at that time | 19:21 |
qwazix | the same if someone moves an app, though I don't think it's a use case we should worry about, given the steps required to do so | 19:21 |
qwazix | rpm's are not apk's | 19:22 |
SamTelegram[m] | yeah, I think if a developer wants to pack an svg to then be tailored to the specific dpi it could be done in a script on their archive upon install | 19:23 |
qwazix | yeah that was the original idea. But that doesn't solve the 'new display connected' problem | 19:24 |
SamTelegram[m] | deploying icons with multiple dpi does | 19:25 |
qwazix | Freedesktop already specs this https://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html#install_icons | 19:25 |
SamTelegram[m] | hmm | 19:25 |
qwazix | we can do both. Allow shipping multiple icons, and if a scalable.svg is present and we want to, we can fill in the blanks. Either at install or at runtime | 19:26 |
SamTelegram[m] | that's probably even better there's a standard for this | 19:26 |
qwazix | Text in icons should be converted to paths in order for rasterization to work correctly. But it's good to keep the original as source somewhere, how to do that in the repo? | 19:37 |
qwazix | Should I create an 'src' folder? | 19:37 |
qwazix | I could also move the text in a hidden layer | 19:38 |
qwazix | *to a hidden layer | 19:38 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | probably better to have only the necessities in the svg used for rasterization | 19:49 |
qwazix | can somebody add me to the nemomobile organization on github so that I can create a PR for the icons without forking? | 19:49 |
qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m, agreed. I hope an src folder won't break anything. | 19:50 |
mal | locusf: ^ maybe you can do that | 19:50 |
locusf | yeah can do | 19:50 |
locusf | qwazix: for the artwork? | 19:51 |
locusf | invited | 19:52 |
qwazix | locusf thanks | 19:53 |
qwazix | SergeyChupliginT, reading the log, header is 60u not 50, nice catch | 20:04 |
qwazix | (75 with shadow) | 20:05 |
mal | hmm, I still find the header a bit high | 20:05 |
qwazix | btw, when editing the svg spec files with the new inkscape you should choose "ignore" otherwise the pixel sizes will me mangled. | 20:08 |
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SamTelegram[m] | What is the goal regarding the statusbar? | 20:24 |
SamTelegram[m] | Is it going to be visible in apps later (maybe as a separate wayland window) and is it going to stay on the bottom of the screen? | 20:25 |
qwazix | SamTelegram[m], the idea was to be hidden, like sailfish, and the user could just 'peek' to see it by swiping a bit from the bottom | 20:31 |
qwazix | could also be a setting whether it stays visible or not | 20:32 |
SamTelegram[m] | could see on that, I'm loving messing with qml too | 20:33 |
qwazix | As it doesn't take real estate at all times, it compensates by being bigger and clickable | 20:33 |
SamTelegram[m] | seems that rotateWindowContent property on SwitcherItem.qml is incorrect, at least on hammerhead | 20:34 |
SamTelegram[m] | it rotates if the device is portrait, but the nexus 5 is a native portrait device so I think it rotates twice | 20:35 |
SamTelegram[m] | setting it to false gets the multitask menu to render properly | 20:35 |
qwazix | Another idea is to allow the user to "dock" it, kinda like the header. If you swipe the app upwards and release (without momentum) just when the statusbar is wholly visible, the app may resize and stay there | 20:35 |
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SamTelegram[m] | I like that idea | 20:35 |
qwazix | however I don't know how you could bring it back to fullscreen after that | 20:35 |
SamTelegram[m] | just swipe a little bit from the bottom | 20:35 |
SamTelegram[m] | to top | 20:35 |
qwazix | hmm, okay, sounds good | 20:36 |
mal | I'm doing investigation on multi-sim support | 20:37 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | imo the statusbar icons are too small to be clickable properly | 20:43 |
TopiasTelegram[m | maybe add a slide function | 20:43 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | so you can slide through each one and it would show little menus | 20:44 |
qwazix | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/nemo-artwork/pull/1 | 20:50 |
qwazix | +1 to the slide idea | 20:50 |
qwazix | or we could just make the status bar bigger | 20:50 |
SamTelegram[m] | do it like the n9 | 20:52 |
SamTelegram[m] | you touch the statusbar and it expands it | 20:52 |
qwazix | It would take two taps to open a menu then | 20:52 |
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qwazix | Slide is nicer. If you tap on the wrong place just readjust and the right menu opens. | 20:53 |
qwazix | like ubuntu touch | 20:54 |
qwazix | (RIP) | 20:54 |
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TopiasTelegram[m | Except no scrolling | 21:14 |
TopiasTelegram[m | I think status bar can't afford to be any bigger | 21:14 |
TopiasTelegram[m | Maybe we should do a nemo hackathon | 21:18 |
SamTelegram[m] | would be nice | 21:21 |
SamTelegram[m] | specially if there is enough buzz | 21:21 |
SamTelegram[m] | we could get visibility on phoronix etc | 21:21 |
SamTelegram[m] | maybe even help from jolla | 21:21 |
JimCorriganTeleg | Can someone share a cool video demo of the Nemo mobile? | 21:36 |
EmanueleSorceTel | How much is FOSS of Nemo Mobile source? | 21:46 |
EmanueleSorceTel | Reply to Jim Corrigan (Telegram): | 21:46 |
EmanueleSorceTel | >Can someone share a cool video demo of the Nemo mobile? | 21:46 |
EmanueleSorceTel | +1 | 21:46 |
SamTelegram[m] | Reply to Emanuele Sorce (Telegram): | 21:47 |
SamTelegram[m] | >How much is FOSS of Nemo Mobile source? | 21:47 |
SamTelegram[m] | 100% :) | 21:47 |
EmanueleSorceTel | Wow | 21:47 |
JimCorriganTeleg | A video showing it as well! | 21:47 |
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mal | odd behavior, for some reason the StatusBarItems in a Repeater get a huge font size | 22:04 |
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MariusGripsgardT | Forwarded this from the Sailfish OS group | 22:51 |
MariusGripsgardT | Me (ubports) and @bhushanshah (plasma) had the idea if we could work all together on a common Android+libhybris+kernel base under a separate common banner? This way we can enable much more devices together. I really think this can benefit us all. Is this something sailfish would be interested in discussing with us? | 22:51 |
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