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| * SamTelegram[m] uploaded an image: Image_1491705925857.jpg (85KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/tchncs.de/BVzesjZqdUKCLSmDhHnxfymj | 02:44 | |
| SamTelegram[m] | gave the app selector some breathing space | 02:44 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | plus black background for sailfish apps | 02:44 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I'm digging QML | 02:44 |
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| locusf | Sam (Telegram): could you make a PR for that? | 07:22 |
| mal | maybe change it first a little so that the second row doesn't overlap with the statusbar? | 07:52 |
| SergeyChupliginT | https://github.com/neochapay/qtquickcontrols-nemo/commit/c2d7f34a83b1ab10cb5937c031b0811b46999825 i recalculate scale factor | 07:55 |
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| mal | works well, much better now | 08:05 |
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| PabloTelegram[m] | Hello everyone! | 08:43 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | Many of you already know me from SFOS fan club. I'm a FOSS fan, SFOS fan and sometimes coder | 08:44 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | good to know there is a nemo group :D | 08:44 |
| SergeyChupliginT | I dont like curent realisation of nemotheme.... | 08:51 |
| mal | what specifically? | 08:53 |
| EmanueleSorceTel | There is a specific Nemo porting guide? | 08:54 |
| SergeyChupliginT | Why not load from json without autogenerated code ? | 08:54 |
| locusf_ | SfietKonstantinW would know | 08:55 |
| locusf | Emanuele Sorce (Telegram): not yet | 08:58 |
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| mal | locusf: just thinking if we should create some pattern files for nemo which could be used instead of the sailfish ones to build nemo images, so basically the same ones as in sailfish but replace the needed stuff | 09:21 |
| locusf | mal: its been on my todo-list for 3 years now :) | 09:22 |
| locusf | they used to work | 09:23 |
| locusf | but since the wayland migration patterns haven't been working | 09:24 |
| mal | ok, maybe I could try that | 09:24 |
| mal | btw I got dual-sim status bar working, still fixing the pin query | 09:24 |
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| locusf | cool | 09:26 |
| mal | some very strange thing, if I add conditional visibility for those the elements break | 09:27 |
| mal | the signalbars | 09:27 |
| mal | the alignment is off | 09:27 |
| mal | about the settings app for nemo, is there any plan to have plugins like in sailfish to add new entries? | 09:28 |
| locusf | the middleware itself has the plugin capability | 09:29 |
| mal | ok | 09:31 |
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| mal | locusf: so I now basically copied the droid-hal-configs repo and adapted it to nemo, mostly patterns but some small renaming in other parts also | 10:10 |
| locusf | mal: ok thanks! any preview? | 10:11 |
| mal | just a moment, I'll push it to github | 10:13 |
| mal | locusf: https://github.com/mlehtima/droid-hal-configs-nemo | 10:20 |
| mal | locusf: those are untested still | 10:20 |
| locusf | mal: its ok, thanks for that! | 10:21 |
| mal | might need some cleaning also | 10:22 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | mal, nice!:) | 10:26 |
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| FabioIsgrTelegra | I hope this chan can contribute for a nemo client for telegram and matrix also | 10:27 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | maybe someday @dr_gogeta86 | 10:34 |
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| TopiasTelegram[m | wow, lot's of action going on! @samzn mal, locusf, @neochapay | 10:34 |
| locusf | Topias (Telegram): indeed, its been a while since this much activity :) | 10:35 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | are the new icons added to the OS itself? qwazix? | 10:35 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | locusf: I wonder if it's because of this UT stuff :D | 10:36 |
| FabioIsgrTelegra | first thing ... the ut browser | 10:36 |
| FabioIsgrTelegra | is real gold | 10:36 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | port it for nemo? :D | 10:36 |
| FabioIsgrTelegra | isn't an easy task | 10:37 |
| locusf | browser is a major component thats missing | 10:38 |
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| qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m: I'm not sure. locusf should know if they are part of the theme or the app packages (both maybe?) | 10:39 |
| locusf | qwazix: does the rasterization script work? | 10:40 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/nemo-theme-glacier/tree/master/cc3/icons | 10:40 |
| locusf | those are the old ones | 10:41 |
| locusf | I'll push directly new ones | 10:41 |
| qwazix | locusf: it should work if you have inkscape installed | 10:41 |
| locusf | I do have it | 10:42 |
| qwazix | it's for use by the committer not on-device | 10:42 |
| qwazix | also I did run it so the png's should be alright as in the pull request | 10:42 |
| locusf | ok | 10:43 |
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| NeKitTelegram[m] | is it based on Gecko? | 10:44 |
| qwazix | and wildcards work too so you can rasterize.sh *.svg | 10:44 |
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| mal | locusf: also message app would be needed for basic usage | 10:47 |
| locusf | dialer status is unknown, not sure it works at all anymore | 10:47 |
| locusf | mal: yes | 10:47 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | @Dax89 was interested portin web pirate to nemo last time when we talked :) | 10:48 |
| mal | those are things that really need to exist | 10:48 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Maybe we should ask him if he is still :) | 10:48 |
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| TopiasTelegram[m | webpirate uses the qtwebkit... it's not very good imo | 11:01 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | why not just port the sailfish browser? | 11:01 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | it's open source after all | 11:02 |
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| TopiasTelegram[m | although a chromium base would be nice | 11:03 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | it uses qtwebkit because that's what was available | 11:07 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | I think he had already everything ready for webengine | 11:07 |
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| TopiasTelegram[m | yeah, I know | 11:37 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | qt webengine you mean? | 11:37 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | but does Sailfish have that yet? | 11:38 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | there's also the Sailfish webview | 11:38 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | Reply to Topias (Telegram): | 11:44 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | >qt webengine you mean? | 11:44 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | yes | 11:44 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | Reply to Topias (Telegram): | 11:45 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | >but does Sailfish have that yet? | 11:45 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | not yet, but it is in latest qt versions | 11:45 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | so I understand it looked likely to arrive to SFOS sooner or later | 11:45 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | I though Qt 5.6 was supposed to have it | 11:45 |
| PabloTelegram[m] | I don't know | 11:45 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | much of the hype was around it | 11:45 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | it should | 11:46 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | but maybe it might be one of the things Jolla left out of the update | 11:46 |
| tbr | https://build.merproject.org/project/show/mer:core doesn't have it built | 11:49 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | locusf: what is a PR | 12:35 |
| SamTelegram[m] | Ah, push request | 12:35 |
| locusf | Sam (Telegram): its a pull request | 12:35 |
| locusf | yeah | 12:35 |
| SamTelegram[m] | Later, I want to finish polishing other ui elements from lipstick | 12:36 |
| locusf | ok | 12:36 |
| SamTelegram[m] | And I'll send it all in a big request | 12:36 |
| mal | locusf: I'll test the dialer later today to see if it work anymore | 12:36 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I'd touch the status bar but I'll wait for the changes ppl are making to it | 12:44 |
| mal | what do you want to change in it? | 12:44 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | I haven't evaluated but I'd like to make elements more balanced and weighted | 12:46 |
| mal | I'll try to fix the dual-sim and pin query today, otherwise I won't modify it, you can do some testing already | 12:47 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | @neochapay was also working with statusbar :) | 12:53 |
| SergeyChupliginT | Reply to eetu (Telegram): | 12:57 |
| SergeyChupliginT | >@neochapay was also working with statusbar :) | 12:57 |
| SergeyChupliginT | Work hard code hard die hard....how i can convert QJsonObject to QObject..? | 12:57 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | How do I get the current PPI value for the screen on nemo or sailfish? | 13:42 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I need to do some calculations | 13:42 |
| SamTelegram[m] | Also are values input by qml | 13:42 |
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| SergeyChupliginT | Reply to Sam (Telegram): | 13:45 |
| SergeyChupliginT | >How do I get the current PPI value for the screen on nemo or sailfish? | 13:45 |
| SergeyChupliginT | https://github.com/neochapay/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/5.2/src/controls/sizing.cpp#L23 | 13:45 |
| SamTelegram[m] | Nice :) | 13:48 |
| mal | I think for apps there should be some predefined font sizes like small, medium, large etc | 13:56 |
| mal | this would be automatically scaled | 13:56 |
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| TopiasTelegram[m | I could look into the app grid or notifications | 14:37 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | anyone working on those? | 14:37 |
| mal | is there something wrong with app grid? I assume you mean the one with app icons for starting those | 14:44 |
| mal | notification view needs some improvement | 14:45 |
| mal | locusf: the layout of dialer is badly broken, I'll try to fix it | 15:01 |
| mal | locusf: but calls work correctly anyway | 15:03 |
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| locusf | mal: ok good | 15:07 |
| mal | locusf: is there any design to improve the appearance of the dialer? | 15:13 |
| locusf | there used to be | 15:13 |
| locusf | qwazix: made some specs about it | 15:13 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | mal: it's mainly the icons | 15:14 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | after the new icons have been pushed, I could work on the spacing since that needs some adjustments with the new icons. | 15:15 |
| SamTelegram[m] | I'm so glad work is being pushed to nemo :) | 15:15 |
| SamTelegram[m] | The N9 deserved a worthy successor | 15:15 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | Forwarded from Topias (Telegram): | 15:15 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | >To drive this common base forward, I have created a new group @libhybris to advance this idea. The purpose of this new group is to research how this common base could be implemented as well as drive efforts in bringing this proposition forward in each involved mobile OSs. | 15:15 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | Forwarded from Marius Gripsgard (Telegram): | 15:15 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | >Me (ubports) and @bhushanshah (plasma) had the idea if we could work all together on a common Android+libhybris+kernel base under a separate common banner? This way we can enable much more devices together. I really think this can benefit us all. Is this something sailfish would be interested in discussing with us? | 15:16 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | nemo related too | 15:16 |
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| mal | locusf: I get a lot of this kind of error from dialer "file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/QtQuick/Controls/Styles/Base/ToolButtonStyle.qml:79:13: QML Image: Failed to get image from provider: image://theme/icon-m-telephony-contact-avatar" | 15:25 |
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| mal | ok, I was missing some themes | 15:38 |
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| mal | locusf: receiving calls doesn't work it seems | 15:55 |
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| qwazix | SamTelegram[m], re app-switcher: not to be anal here but I think we should stick to the spec if we are to create something consistent. Not because I designed it (that part was done by hurrian) but we won't get anywhere if we keep changing things we've already finished. Unless something is terrible, I'd say we shouldn't look back. | 17:06 |
| qwazix | https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-apps/blob/master/homescreen/homescreen-only.png | 17:06 |
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| qwazix | Besides the need to not change everything all the time, I really don't mind the space around the apps, but the rounded corners are something we haven't used anywhere else. There were some in the initial design and we removed them for consistency | 17:08 |
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| TopiasTelegram[m | well then, space around the apps but no rounded corners? | 17:10 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | qwazix, could you perhaps push the new images to https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/nemo-theme-glacier | 17:11 |
| qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m, I vote for reverting back to the original spec due to the reason I said in the first comment. However I don't object to space, but I'd like a PR for that in the specs repo too. Changing directly downstream is not good practice. | 17:13 |
| qwazix | You mean the icons? | 17:13 |
| qwazix | Yes I can | 17:13 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | qwazix: ok you're right, change the spec first is best practice | 17:14 |
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| qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m, yep. Otherwise unexpected things happen. For example, as it is now when long pressed it is specified that the windows zoom out a bit to denote the new "edit" state. This should have to change if the windows are already zoomed out. | 17:19 |
| qwazix | TopiasTelegram[m, locusf ERROR: Permission to nemomobile-ux/nemo-theme-glacier.git denied to qwazix. | 17:21 |
| qwazix | mal, text sizes here: https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/text%20constants | 17:24 |
| locusf | qwazix: I added write permissions, please try again | 17:24 |
| qwazix | locusf, thanks | 17:24 |
| mal | qwazix: yes, but we need to implement those | 17:25 |
| qwazix | locusf, TopiasTelegram[m, https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/nemo-theme-glacier/pull/7 | 17:25 |
| qwazix | mal, ah okay, I thought you meant design-time sizes | 17:26 |
| qwazix | (just catching up with backlog) | 17:26 |
| mal | qwazix: was there some design for dialer app? | 17:26 |
| locusf | and merged | 17:27 |
| mal | qwazix: do you have objections for not following spec in case of statusbar for dual-sim devices, so just duplicating the existing signal bars and network indicator? | 17:28 |
| qwazix | mal, not really but we should fix the spec too. Will do now. Do you have screenshots? | 17:29 |
| mal | qwazix: it's still a work in progress but I'll get one | 17:29 |
| qwazix | mal, I'm leaning towards putting the second signal on the right side, for symmetry. What do you think? | 17:30 |
| qwazix | And removing the nfc icon if 2 sims are there in order to make space | 17:30 |
| mal | qwazix: not sure about that, the way the signal bar and network indicator are now is not very good, too much spacing, those could be quite close | 17:31 |
| mal | actually the implementation does not exactly match the spec | 17:33 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | +1 for following original spec, I like it and why to do same work twice :D | 17:33 |
| SergeyChupliginT | qwazix i move statusbar to top https://www.linux.org.ru/images/17576/original.jpg | 17:34 |
| qwazix | SergeyChupliginT, come on guys let | 17:35 |
| qwazix | 's not do random things without discussion | 17:35 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | @neochapay I think that is also not aligned with the spec. It's a bad decision on UX standpoint too | 17:36 |
| TopiasTelegram[m | qwazix: agreed | 17:36 |
| qwazix | the status bar was at the bottom because it is not visible at all times, and it's easy to peek it when in an app | 17:36 |
| SergeyChupliginT | but if we use buttom statusbar we dont see half of info | 17:37 |
| mal | what do you mean? | 17:37 |
| SergeyChupliginT | If i put phone in hand i block up my thumb right bottom screen part | 17:39 |
| SergeyChupliginT | https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/media.lpgenerator.ru/uploads/2016/10/12/0.jpg | 17:41 |
| SergeyChupliginT | look at that picture | 17:41 |
| qwazix | Exactly. we shouldn't put the *clickable* status bar where it's hard to click | 17:41 |
| qwazix | Also peeking should be neither stretching nor hard | 17:42 |
| qwazix | On the other OS's the status bar is always visible and non-interactive so it makes sense to be up there. I nemo it's interactive and hidden so it makes sense to be on the bottom. | 17:43 |
| qwazix | We also want to avoid people accidentally closing apps (down swipe) because they are used to dragging the status bar down | 17:44 |
| * SergeyChupliginT uploaded an image: Image_1491759915404.jpg (118KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/tchncs.de/qLjKQWrZnJocmmVxoBugAMZV | 17:44 | |
| SergeyChupliginT | Cant tuch | 17:44 |
| * SergeyChupliginT uploaded an image: Image_1491759945727.jpg (108KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/tchncs.de/upnuYNEcZTkUyzXGSvegnbZl | 17:44 | |
| SergeyChupliginT | Can toch | 17:44 |
| mal | maybe it's just me but I can touch both | 17:45 |
| qwazix | This contradicts the earlier image you posted, and in my opinion, logic. If it were true nobody could use the android soft buttons | 17:45 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | I don't want to be dick and all the work what has been done towards nemo/glacier is super awesome, but I think we should follow specs that design leader has done to us :D Then we wouldn't do unnecessary work :) | 17:45 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Reply to Sergey Игоревич Chupligin (Telegram): | 17:46 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | >qwazix i move statusbar to top https://www.linux.org.ru/images/17576/original.jpg | 17:46 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | Settings look awesome! :P | 17:46 |
| qwazix | eetuTelegram[m], I'd also like to add that I haven't done them and threw them over the wall, we've had lengthy discussions with both developers and designers | 17:47 |
| SergeyChupliginT | Reply to eetu (Telegram): | 17:47 |
| SergeyChupliginT | >I don't want to be dick and all the work what has been done towards nemo/glacier is super awesome, but I think we should follow specs that design leader has done to us :D Then we wouldn't do unnecessary work :) | 17:47 |
| SergeyChupliginT | Ok :) But when we start create Glacier UX 2.0 I will insist on top statusbar :) | 17:47 |
| qwazix | and I'm looking forward to discuss the millions of things we haven't yet specced. So it's not that the fun has finished. | 17:48 |
| qwazix | SergeyChupliginT, I will gladly discuss it then, but let's finish 1.0 first | 17:48 |
| eetuTelegram[m] | @neochapay haha :D | 17:49 |
| SergeyChupliginT | Okay on next week i will end scaling and put it on glacier homescreen | 17:49 |
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| qwazix | mal, we'll have to either make the network name 2-char or remove 2 other icons to fit 2nd signal. I'm leaning towards 2-char what do you think? | 17:54 |
| mal | qwazix: at least on my display all fit there | 17:56 |
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| mal | qwazix: does it really even need the operator name there all the time? | 18:01 |
| qwazix | Generally no (we just put it there because back then everybody had it somewhere and I supposed it was some kind of regulatory obligation) but for dual sim maybe it's useful | 18:02 |
| qwazix | also 2-char doesn't take space at all as it | 18:03 |
| qwazix | 's shorter than 3.5(G) | 18:03 |
| mal | qwazix: http://vtkpp.dy.fi/fp2/nemo/20170409210221.png | 18:06 |
| mal | qwazix: those texts could be even smaller | 18:06 |
| qwazix | how about http://qwazix.com/shared/rect5066.png ? | 18:06 |
| qwazix | I like your implementation too. If it's easier I say leave it, just make the text smaller | 18:07 |
| mal | first of all we could make the signal bars a bit narrower | 18:08 |
| NeKitTelegram[m] | time output is confusing | 18:10 |
| qwazix | mal, as it is in rect5066.png everything fits so that the spacings are all constants. If we move/resize anything we'll have to introduce hardcoded spacings. Except if we make the bars smaller to fit the third letter of the operator | 18:11 |
| mal | qwazix: hmm, needs some thinking | 18:12 |
| qwazix | mal, pick and choose :P http://qwazix.com/shared/use5736.png | 18:16 |
| qwazix | just let me know to update the spec accordingly | 18:17 |
| qwazix | gtg, see ya later | 18:18 |
| mal | qwazix: I'll do some testing to see how those could be implemented and decide based on that | 18:19 |
| mal | but to me the bottom two are the best | 18:19 |
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| SamTelegram[m] | @neochapay digging that statusbar | 21:01 |
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| AndreaBernabeifa | Glad to see some action | 22:34 |
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