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| fk_lx_ | I have question why I was kicked and banned from #mer #mer-meeting #jollamobile #libhybris ? | 10:36 |
| fk_lx_ | Does someone personal reasons and false asumptions of harassment are enough for that? | 10:36 |
| fk_lx_ | Isn't that what the whole problem is about - putting personal conflicts in to the technical sphere? | 10:37 |
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| fk_lx_ | how those mentioned channels are associated with Mr. Munk wife? | 10:38 |
| fk_lx_ | The answer is they are not associated | 10:40 |
| fk_lx_ | Stskeeps treats those channels as his private property if he does such things like bans for personal reasons | 10:40 |
| fk_lx_ | it's no longer community but his private manorial farm | 10:41 |
| vgrade | fk_lx_: this it off topic | 10:42 |
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| faenil | fk_lx_, don't expect any reply from me, given that you're capable of taking everything people say and turn it against them. You don't deserve any reply, not from myself, at least. Congrats for what you have created. | 10:42 |
| fk_lx_ | excluding someone (in this case me) from the channels is exactly the same thing Thomas Perl did | 10:42 |
| fk_lx_ | vgrade: it is on topic | 10:42 |
| fk_lx_ | vgrade: aren't mer and nemomobile supposed to be merged | 10:42 |
| fk_lx_ | ? | 10:43 |
| fk_lx_ | vgrade: isn't nemo using mer on the lower parts | 10:43 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: nope, that's what Carsten, Thomas, Jolla the company and people like you have created | 10:43 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: don't put blame on me | 10:43 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: for this reckless behavior | 10:43 |
| fk_lx_ | the more you all are continuing it all, the more you are discreding yourselves | 10:45 |
| fk_lx_ | belive me or not, but it won't be me in the end that will be ashamed of himself | 10:46 |
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| fk_lx_ | this sick construct that has been built will collapse itself | 10:47 |
| fk_lx_ | it's only a matter of time | 10:47 |
| * faenil is off to the canteen, cya later people | 10:47 | |
| fk_lx_ | the easiest solution - run away, but you cannot run away whole life from problems | 10:47 |
| fk_lx_ | and if someone is forcing someone to change at all cost, using psychomanipulation, which I was a victim of, he should ask himself "Why I'm doing it? Why I wanted to change this guy?" | 10:48 |
| fk_lx_ | the answer is usually in someone's own internal problems | 10:49 |
| fk_lx_ | abuse is never the right way | 10:49 |
| fk_lx_ | those that trying to hurt me are in fact hurting themselves | 10:50 |
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| fk_lx_ | the price for that abusing is abuser own well-being and a guilty conscience | 10:52 |
| fk_lx_ | if I were you faenil I wouldn't be proud of myself at all | 10:53 |
| fk_lx_ | vgrade: I hope at least you aren't supporting abusive behaviors, you seemed like a wise person | 10:57 |
| fk_lx_ | so I will repeat once again why I was kicked and banned from #mer #mer-meeting #jollamobile #libhybris ? | 11:00 |
| fk_lx_ | can someone explain me that | 11:01 |
| fk_lx_ | that's what you call a community? you think everything is ok? | 11:02 |
| fk_lx_ | all that are supporting this to continue are at fault | 11:04 |
| fk_lx_ | it's a matter of time that press will get themselves interested and psychology experts will start speaking about whole case ane people behaviour | 11:07 |
| fk_lx_ | I feel really sorry for you people | 11:07 |
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| faenil | back o/ | 12:55 |
| vgrade | o/ | 12:56 |
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| faenil | vgrade, what are you up to these days :) | 13:00 |
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| vgrade | faenil: been doing some sailfish porting | 13:01 |
| faenil | vgrade, on what :P | 13:03 |
| vgrade | well did a kickstart for n950 then did some work on nexus one and 5 | 13:04 |
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| vgrade | nexus 5 is looking good, sensors are blocking atm but most else is working | 13:06 |
| faenil | vgrade, wasn't there already a ks for n950? | 13:07 |
| faenil | vgrade, glad to know that n5 port is coming up good :) | 13:07 |
| vgrade | faenil: not sure if there was a sailfish ks | 13:08 |
| vgrade | might haev missed it | 13:08 |
| faenil | vgrade, oh, I always thought there was one :) | 13:08 |
| vgrade | there may have been an internal one | 13:09 |
| faenil | don't know, I must be misremembering ;) | 13:09 |
| faenil | I thought there was a community ks by you or someone else, nvm ;) | 13:10 |
| Aard | vgrade: you could've just asked me :p | 13:10 |
| Aard | http://pastebin.com/5TPtGRwc | 13:10 |
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| vgrade | thanks Aard | 13:11 |
| Aard | note that u7 will come with new systemd -> won't boot with old nemo kernel | 13:11 |
| vgrade | Aard: thanks for the heads up. I think there was some work going on with kernel upgade | 13:12 |
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| faenil | Aard, holy f | 13:13 |
| faenil | Aard, so what happens to Nemo? | 13:13 |
| faenil | :/ | 13:13 |
| Aard | vgrade: and again, if somebody would bother spending time to move the n9/n900 adaptation packages to gitpackaging with webhooks I'd be able to do some trial before releasing on n9 | 13:14 |
| tbr | faenil: it's the sneaky return of the compliance spec ;-รพ | 13:14 |
| faenil | :( | 13:14 |
| faenil | Aard, please, do you know anyone who could help out with the issues pointed out here? | 13:15 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project | 13:15 |
| Aard | faenil: there's still an old systemd around, but you won't be happy in the long term with that. I've posted a warning about that change coming eventually on tme several month ago | 13:15 |
| faenil | I reached filippz (the guy working on kernel project) yesterday | 13:15 |
| faenil | and he updated the wiki page...he needs help with CMT and USB and camera | 13:15 |
| faenil | Aard, yeah I was aware of the change, I just didn't know when it would happen precisely | 13:16 |
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| Aard | faenil: back then I said "about 3 months", iirc, and i think I did the warning over 3 months ago :) | 13:16 |
| faenil | MSameer will help with the camera as I was told | 13:16 |
| faenil | Aard, yeah not blaming you for anything :P | 13:16 |
| Aard | faenil: and see above, right now I'm not touching anything hw-adaptation specific for n9. I'd be willing to dedicate a bit more time on that again if it'd be git-packaged/webhooked, but in the current state it does not have much value for testing jolla stack on it | 13:17 |
| MSameer | faenil: my understanding is filippz managed to get camera running | 13:18 |
| vgrade | Aard: faenil I'd be willing to help with this | 13:18 |
| faenil | Aard, isn't it webhooked already? :/ | 13:18 |
| faenil | MSameer, today? he didn't get it running until yesterday, but he said he had some tests to do and he had a chance to get it working | 13:19 |
| Aard | faenil: last time I checked, no. to be fair, it was ~3 months ago, and back then everybody involved was "meh, monkey work, don't want to do it" | 13:19 |
| MSameer | faenil: I thought he did long ago and thus I stopped bothering | 13:19 |
| Aard | so I don't expect it to be webhooked | 13:19 |
| faenil | Aard, oh I see, isn't it just about actually creating the webhook in the webui? | 13:19 |
| Aard | faenil: no, the packages are still traditional packages on obs. you need to move them to git packaging, and then do the webhook | 13:20 |
| vgrade | Aard: some of the n950 adaptation packages have deps on some X parts which got removed from jolla core, these would need striping also | 13:20 |
| Aard | and while you're at it consider if some of the packages can be dropped or moved | 13:20 |
| Aard | vgrade: no stripping there should be needed, last time I checked | 13:21 |
| faenil | Aard, I see, I don't even remember how to do the move to git packaging, will check the wiki when I want to spend time on it | 13:22 |
| faenil | vgrade, so you can help with CMT? | 13:22 |
| faenil | that would be great :) | 13:22 |
| Aard | the TL;DR is: if community provides webhooked git packages (=I can build it with sailfish internally as well) I'll spend some of my free time to ship patterns on jolla repos + configuration variants for N9 with sailfish releases, so that it should be possible to dump all the hacks you're doing | 13:23 |
| Aard | we can't ship the hw-adaptation, obviously, so that'd need to point to nemo obs. but that's not an issue if things are cleaned up properly | 13:24 |
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| filippz | Hi everybody | 13:25 |
| faenil | we summoned filippz :) | 13:25 |
| MSameer | :D | 13:25 |
| filippz | MSameer: camera is working in yavta - so libomap3cadm is to blame | 13:25 |
| MSameer | filippz: that's easy to resolve by wrapping it and loaing it via dlopen | 13:25 |
| MSameer | or rather "easier" | 13:26 |
| faenil | filippz, do you have push notifications when the word kernel is used in this channel? :D | 13:26 |
| MSameer | faenil: when his name gets mentioned | 13:26 |
| filippz | I'm playing with FCam binary from Harmattan (it includes 3A) | 13:26 |
| MSameer | filippz: I can help with the gstreamer bits | 13:27 |
| filippz | struct v4l2_event got changed and it crashes FCam, but I thin I'll get it running | 13:27 |
| MSameer | can even move the stack to gstreamer 1.0 if people want to | 13:27 |
| MSameer | but i am not going to everse engineer 3A :D | 13:27 |
| filippz | MSameer: If I get FCam running, you are more than welcome to write subdevsrc replacement :) | 13:28 |
| MSameer | filippz: dlopen and mangle the structs (ugly but what else can we do) | 13:28 |
| filippz | I'm trying to use old v4l_event struct for now, and see what breaks | 13:29 |
| filippz | CMT is a big problem right now, but there are patches for N900 that we can try | 13:30 |
| MSameer | there is a set of patches too for CMT | 13:30 |
| MSameer | at least the wiki has links | 13:30 |
| filippz | Those are from 2.6 and produce "wakeline test failed" | 13:31 |
| MSameer | i am however not that free these days. trying to stabilize cameraplus for sailfish | 13:31 |
| MSameer | mmm | 13:31 |
| vgrade | faenil: the offer was for packaging and hooks, not sure I'd be able to contribure much to CMT | 13:32 |
| faenil | vgrade, ah I see, I thought I did bingo :D | 13:34 |
| filippz | Does anybody know how C handles binary compatibility when union is used in struct? | 13:36 |
| MSameer | filippz: all structs share the same memory. what exactly has changed? | 13:37 |
| tbr | faenil: you could also poke kimju, he did quite some work on the N900 kernel back then. maybe he could give you some hints about the CMT code in the N9 kernel. Although I don't remember how similar the hardware was. | 13:38 |
| filippz | MSameer: take a look at http://pastebin.com/PnstWD7w | 13:40 |
| MSameer | filippz: it's _exactly_ of the same size so we are safe | 13:42 |
| MSameer | filippz: the whole struct itself: a new member got added and reserved got decremented so that part is fine | 13:42 |
| MSameer | filippz: union shares the same memory and the union size has not changed | 13:42 |
| kimju | tbr, CMT is the modem chip? I don't think I did anything related to that | 13:43 |
| tbr | kimju: yes | 13:43 |
| tbr | kimju: seems the n9 code is grumpy after being forward ported and doesn't want to talk to the modem | 13:43 |
| filippz | MSameer: VIDIOC_DQEVENT has changed from 0x8078569 to 0x82187201 | 13:44 |
| tbr | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project for details | 13:44 |
| MSameer | filippz: i don't have the source ATM to check but struct size is the same. union size is also the same | 13:44 |
| MSameer | apparently I don't understand the problem | 13:45 |
| filippz | Decripting 0x82187201 show that the "argument size" is 120 bytes, however FCam sends VIDIOC_DQEVENT as 0x80785659 (argument size of 119 bytes) | 13:47 |
| filippz | argument size being size of v4l_event struct | 13:48 |
| filippz | Nevermind - I'll figure it out (ie stumble on a solution by trial and error) | 13:48 |
| MSameer | filippz: what do you use to print the size? | 13:49 |
| filippz | Nothing - I0m comparing ioctl numbers and using https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ioctl/ioctl-decoding.txt to see what measn what | 13:51 |
| MSameer | but the change in the struct is ABI compatible | 13:52 |
| filippz | VIDIOC_DQEVENT is defined as _IOR('V', 89, struct v4l2_event) - in both kernels - only v4l2_event has changed | 13:53 |
| MSameer | it has changed but sizeof(struct v4l2_event) should return the same value | 13:54 |
| fk_lx_ | so I will repeat once again why I was kicked and banned from #mer #mer-meeting #jollamobile #libhybris ? | 13:54 |
| fk_lx_ | as no one explained me that | 13:54 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: maybe you would care to answer that? | 13:56 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: I was not in those channels when you got kicked so I have no idea | 13:56 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: so let me paste you something | 13:57 |
| fk_lx_ | fk_lx_ was kicked from #jollamobile by Stskeeps [OUT. Not okay to harass people's wifes.] | 13:57 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: I suggest you contact freenode IRC network staff and inform them the whole story. I am sure they will help you | 13:57 |
| Morpog_PC___ | well, there you have it, no stay ontopic please | 13:57 |
| Morpog_PC___ | now | 13:58 |
| fk_lx_ | Morpog_PC___: what? | 13:58 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: I suggest you contact freenode IRC network staff and inform them the whole story. I am sure they will help you | 13:58 |
| fk_lx_ | Morpog_PC___: I don't accept kicking and baning somebody for personal reasons not related to those projects | 13:59 |
| Morpog_PC___ | fine for you | 13:59 |
| Morpog_PC___ | i respect that | 13:59 |
| Morpog_PC___ | now pls stay on topic | 13:59 |
| fk_lx_ | Morpog_PC___: unless we assume that all thos channels are private manorial farm of Mr. Munk | 13:59 |
| fk_lx_ | but then why not telling about that from beginning | 14:00 |
| fk_lx_ | Morpog_PC___: it is on topic Mer and Nemo are supossed to merge | 14:00 |
| fk_lx_ | Morpog_PC___: it's highly related with the name of this channel | 14:00 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: you can do that for me even earlier | 14:00 |
| Morpog_PC___ | only nemomobile mw, glcier ui is to stay i guess | 14:00 |
| fk_lx_ | whatever, it's all connected | 14:01 |
| fk_lx_ | nemomoble uses mer | 14:01 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: what do you want me to do for you? | 14:01 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: contact freenode IRC network staff | 14:01 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: I might not have time for that right now | 14:01 |
| Morpog_PC___ | you can do that by yourself, you weren't shy contacting everyone else in the world in the last days | 14:02 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: I think it's a good idea what you proposed | 14:02 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: I am extremely busy to do that. I wish I could | 14:02 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: ah, I see | 14:02 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: I also don't understand the whole situation and I am sure you will explain it better than me | 14:02 |
| fk_lx_ | Morpog_PC___: well I wouldn't call that contacting everyone in the world | 14:02 |
| faenil | right, there are some newspapers in Congo left I think | 14:03 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: funny as usual | 14:03 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: I'm sure you won't be laughing in the end, when the truth comes out | 14:04 |
| faenil | I'm looking forward to whatever puts an end to this mess | 14:04 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: I know solution, simple one to end it | 14:04 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: Carsten must finally tell the truth | 14:04 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: I think that would cause this sick situation to end | 14:05 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: of company putting the dust undert the carpet | 14:05 |
| fk_lx_ | now there is a big mountain of dust undert the carpet | 14:05 |
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| fk_lx_ | the company was not even able to react to my open letter, so as I've suspected some Jolla fans abused me today on Twitter | 14:08 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: btw. you can help getting media attention by retweeting my tweets with link to my page | 14:10 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: I think that would lead to faster end of this mess | 14:10 |
| fk_lx_ | faenil: you know if Jolla was so ok and doesn't have anything to hide they shouldn't be afraid of more buzz around them, that could make their brand more recognizable | 14:11 |
| fk_lx_ | especially if you think I'm such a bad person and totally wrong here | 14:12 |
| fk_lx_ | ;) | 14:12 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: our opinions does not matter an you will not listen to them anyway. | 14:13 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: the bottom line is: If you believe you are correct then go on | 14:13 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: if you believe that you are wrong then stop doing it | 14:13 |
| MSameer | you have a mind to think. you are an adult and you are responsible | 14:14 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: yes I know your opinions I listen to what you are saying now, but that doesn't mean I need to agree with them | 14:14 |
| MSameer | that is also true | 14:14 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: I belive I'm correct, as there so many lies were written about me and also the company behavior is reckless | 14:15 |
| faenil | Aard, so, do you happen to know anyone who could help with CMT? :/ | 14:15 |
| fk_lx_ | so I believe I need to lead this whole case to clarity | 14:15 |
| faenil | Aard, or anyone I could ask if he knows anyone :P | 14:15 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: I also believe that there shouldn't be a space on the market for companies acting so recklessly like Jolla | 14:16 |
| fk_lx_ | does | 14:16 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: do you believe that Microsoft is a good company? | 14:16 |
| filippz | MSameer: I recalculated VIDIOC_DQEVENT and in 3.5 (0x80805659) it expecting v4l2_event to be 128 bytes (it is), but FCam (0x80785659) is expecting it to be 120 bytes | 14:17 |
| fk_lx_ | employees not controlling their emotions, mixing private and company stuff, I could go on | 14:17 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: well here I talk about Jolla | 14:17 |
| MSameer | filippz: how did you calculate it? | 14:17 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: for Microsoft I would go to #microsoft | 14:17 |
| fk_lx_ | that would be more appropriate place | 14:18 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: but this is #nemomobile and not #jolla | 14:18 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: which is based on #mer, channel from which I was kicked | 14:18 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: btw. wasn't harbour pointing to #nemomobile about Python | 14:18 |
| filippz | MSameer: I caught ioctls and used https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/ioctl/ioctl-decoding.txt to see what's different | 14:18 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: I guess it still does | 14:18 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: correct, it still does | 14:19 |
| filippz | MSameer: if 2.6 size is also 128 bytes how does this work in Harmattan is beyond me | 14:20 |
| MSameer | filippz: but that is impossible | 14:20 |
| MSameer | filippz: if the snippets you pasted are correct then the struct is the same | 14:20 |
| MSameer | filippz: it has 12 ints (9 reserved + 3 members) * 4 = 48 | 14:21 |
| MSameer | 48 + 64 * 1 (union) = 112 | 14:21 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: anyway thank you for your valid point about Freenode, why I haven't thought about it | 14:22 |
| MSameer | i don't know how the struct member is represented memory-wise | 14:22 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: bye | 14:22 |
| MSameer | fk_lx_: good luck | 14:22 |
| fk_lx_ | MSameer: thanks | 14:22 |
| fk_lx_ | bye | 14:22 |
| MSameer | filippz: it might be padding | 14:22 |
| filippz | MSameer: sizeof(struc v4l2_event) gives me 128 - I'm doing something wrong aren't I? | 14:24 |
| MSameer | no | 14:24 |
| MSameer | you are not | 14:24 |
| MSameer | are you doing that for 2.6 or 3.5? | 14:24 |
| filippz | 3.5 | 14:24 |
| MSameer | which header contains that? | 14:27 |
| MSameer | let me try to check here | 14:27 |
| filippz | include/linux/videodev2.h | 14:28 |
| MSameer | 120 here | 14:29 |
| MSameer | i can try with arm target | 14:29 |
| MSameer | 128 | 14:30 |
| MSameer | but the headers might be different | 14:30 |
| MSameer | only thing I can think of is padding | 14:31 |
| filippz | Maybe some compilation option makes difference... I had enough for now, I'll retry this evening. | 14:33 |
| filippz | MSameer: Thanks for your time! | 14:33 |
| MSameer | ok | 14:33 |
| vgrade | MSameer: filippz https://rkrishnan.org/posts/2013-11-13-kernel-abi-breakage.html relevent | 14:33 |
| MSameer | will keep digging | 14:33 |
| MSameer | filippz: but note that I build in x86 and got 120. same struct with arm -> 128 | 14:34 |
| MSameer | vgrade: YES | 14:35 |
| MSameer | it is that | 14:35 |
| MSameer | or maybe not | 14:35 |
| MSameer | but it's close enough | 14:35 |
| filippz | MSameer: I see, it's something crazy - not only me:) I tend to stumble on strangest things. | 14:35 |
| filippz | vgrade: thank you for the link! | 14:36 |
| vgrade | thank google | 14:36 |
| faenil | "The compiler decided to align this value at a 64 bit boundary and also align the reserved array by another 4 bytes, resulting in a struct v4l2_event_ctrl with size increase of 8 bytes" | 14:36 |
| faenil | sounds interesting :p | 14:36 |
| filippz | faenil: interesting? Is that the right word for it? ;) | 14:37 |
| MSameer | so sizes as we calculated them are correct | 14:37 |
| MSameer | it's the padding/alignment then | 14:38 |
| filippz | I have to go for now, bbl! | 14:39 |
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| iekku | hmmm, some persons have left this channel because of too much off topic conversation | 14:45 |
| vgrade | hi iekku , I'm still here but would like less OT | 14:53 |
| iekku | vgrade, good | 14:53 |
| iekku | that you are here :) | 14:53 |
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| faenil | iekku, who left? | 15:09 |
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| iekku | hmm, seems to be missunderstanding from my side. when checking list those are still here. | 15:44 |
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| vgrade | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2014-05-27.log.html#t2014-05-27T10:41:24 | 16:44 |
| vgrade | http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2014-05-25.log.html#t2014-05-25T12:18:41 | 16:44 |
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| vgrade | links for faenil | 16:45 |
| faenil | ah right | 16:46 |
| faenil | you mean the new people | 16:46 |
| vgrade | yes | 16:47 |
| faenil | yeah the first one has been here for a while already :) | 16:47 |
| stephg | hehe no problem | 16:54 |
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| vgrade | seems openvz kernel based on 2.6.32 runs systemd 211 | 17:25 |
| vgrade | just a 46MB patch against 2.6.32 ! | 17:26 |
| phdeswer | vgrade: I guess it is just some more obscure kernel options that need to be compiled in. | 17:26 |
| phdeswer | Of course it would be nice if systemd was actually sane and would not require all those things and just boot with less functionality. | 17:26 |
| vgrade | cgroups.proc seems to be the reason for 3.0 compat | 17:27 |
| phdeswer | Which is nonsense as you don't ever need cgroups to run a system well. | 17:29 |
| vgrade | http://cgit.freedesktop.org/systemd/systemd/commit/README?id=e946948eff517e895b287d0fd8c6d069ab9bbbb9 | 17:30 |
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| vgrade | hi piggz | 18:08 |
| piggz | lo vgrade | 18:08 |
| piggz | whats ocurring? | 18:08 |
| vgrade | not seen you around, how did you qt talk go? | 18:08 |
| vgrade | r | 18:09 |
| piggz | it only appened on wednesday evening ... seemed ok, ppl seemed impressed and wanted to see through code and demos after | 18:09 |
| piggz | im not the best presenter, i probably spoke too fast and i know i missed some bits id have liked to mention, but, that was kinda the point of doing it, to get better | 18:10 |
| vgrade | sounds like it went well. | 18:10 |
| piggz | it never ocurred to me, but most were ios/android users, and i presented via BB Z10 connected via hdmi, then gave a demo immediately after with a Moga bluetooth gamepad they seemed impressed by the technology | 18:11 |
| piggz | vgrade: this is me :) https://twitter.com/CodeCumbria/status/471726629186977793 | 18:12 |
| vgrade | good to give a view of the alterantives | 18:13 |
| * piggz pondering putting a new nemo on my n950 | 18:20 | |
| stephg | piggz: nemo's in a fair state of broken atm :( | 18:22 |
| piggz | stephg: i'll stick to app development then :) | 18:23 |
| piggz | still hoping for a sailfish n950 some day | 18:23 |
| stephg | hehe | 18:23 |
| piggz | i was going through my box of unused phones, and there is quite a lot :) n950 2xn9 n900 c700 5800 asha-something htc-hero, some old htc-win5 phones | 18:26 |
| piggz | hehe, thx for the RT vgrade | 18:27 |
| piggz | oh, and a lumia 700 | 18:28 |
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| vgrade | piggz: quite a collection | 18:29 |
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