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| juiceme | Hurrian, ping | 10:36 |
| juiceme | Hurrian, I finally had time to try to build the filippz's 3.5.3 kernel tree. Unfortunately there's something realy broken in the build, when I launch it I never get so far to even have aq character out of the serial port before it dies. | 10:39 |
| juiceme | So there's no help in that, really. I suspect it is something pretty elementary, broken memory configuration or something like that. | 10:40 |
| sledges | juiceme: i remember hurrian saying that for him that same kernel booted with nemo but not with sailfish | 10:45 |
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| filippz | juiceme: Hi, can you contact krnlyng as he used 3.5.3 on Sailfish OS. As reported, 3.5.3 works with Nemomobile | 12:10 |
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| filippz | At some point Sailfish OS was crashing during boot due to wlan firmware loading issue (who knows why it worked under Nemo) | 12:20 |
| filippz | maybe reverting few latest commits would make it bootable | 12:21 |
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| faenil | o/ | 13:35 |
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| iekku | faenil, o/ | 14:12 |
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| faenil | iekku, hey madam :) how are you | 14:27 |
| iekku | faenil, better :) | 14:28 |
| iekku | faenil, how are you cub? | 14:28 |
| faenil | woohooo :) | 14:28 |
| faenil | I'm fine :) feeling a lot better after the big exam :D | 14:28 |
| faenil | now I just have to find a decent thesis to work on :/ | 14:29 |
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| iekku | faenil, define decent? | 14:30 |
| iekku | :P | 14:30 |
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| iekku | :D | 14:32 |
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| faenil | gah, stupid adsl | 14:32 |
| faenil | well, decent as in: "something interesting enough to spend 6+ months on it" :) | 14:33 |
| Deformat | qwazix, good afternoon. Saw your last messages. I'm gonna bite a bit. MeeGo UI was nice because it had a linear feel. You had a really simple way of doing stuff. Sailfish has a plus style: the same menus, up and down for notifications and left-right for navigation. Ubuntu has a gazillion swypes, but IMHO it is too stuffed. WP8 has a 90 degrees T form, but it's helped by buttons. I won't dwelve into iOS and Android too much. I understand the search menu | 14:34 |
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| Deformat | And one could get to the same widget menu from the lockscreen by swyping down, a la Sailfish. Sort of. | 14:35 |
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| juiceme | filippz, ping | 14:41 |
| juiceme | filippz, it is possible I did some mizhap when compiling, but it was pretty straightforward so I am fairly confident I did not botch it. | 14:42 |
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| juiceme | I just downloaded the zip from the master branch of https://github.com/filippz/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9, and did "make n9_mer_defconfig ; make ; make modules". I am using the gnueabi-gcc 4.6.3 | 14:48 |
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| juiceme | Checked the config, yes, and all seems to be in order for serial console setup. Ans passed the command line parameter "console=ttyS0,115200n8" for it, too... | 14:50 |
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| faenil | iekku, sorry connection coming and going | 14:56 |
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| iekku | faenil, i have same problem :) at bus going from hki to home | 15:01 |
| faenil | :) | 15:01 |
| filippz | juiceme: I doubt that both you and Hurrian did something wrong when compiling, as Hurrian stated it boots Nemo just not Sailfish | 15:01 |
| iekku | faenil, maybe my connection tries to tell me it's good time to take nap :P | 15:03 |
| faenil | iekku, eheh yeah :) | 15:03 |
| iekku | faenil, and yours that life is somewhere out there? :P | 15:03 |
| filippz | juiceme: As mentioned earlier sailfish had trouble booting with wlan - can you try blacklisting it's module? | 15:04 |
| faenil | iekku, sorry? | 15:04 |
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| faenil | iekku, oh, yeah! :D | 15:04 |
| faenil | ahhaah | 15:04 |
| iekku | :D | 15:04 |
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| filippz | krnlyng: ping | 15:04 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: pong | 16:03 |
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| filippz | krnlyng: can you confirm that 3.5.3 does boot Sailfish? It seems that people are having trouble with 3.5.3 and Sailfish (I'm using nemo, and it works OK) | 16:32 |
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| sledges | both should produce valid early serial output, as it's the,same kernel and only cmdline/ubiboot params differ | 16:36 |
| sledges | rootfs-independent | 16:36 |
| sledges | juiceme: ^ | 16:36 |
| krnlyng | filippz: yes it works for me | 16:37 |
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| sledges | faenil: "Rapid Embedded Prototyping with Nemo Mobile and Jolla's the Other Half" thesis topic ;) | 16:39 |
| filippz | krnlyng: maybe we should provide juiceme/Hurrian with compiled kernel and modules to try out, since they can't boot Sailfish | 16:40 |
| filippz | or even your sailfish partition image | 16:41 |
| sledges | toolchain mismatch? | 16:41 |
| krnlyng | filippz: did they try blacklisting the wifi module? | 16:42 |
| krnlyng | i can upload my kernel/image | 16:42 |
| filippz | I suggested blacklisting wlan to jucieme, but he's not here ATM | 16:43 |
| filippz | Do you still have it blacklisted? It should be bootable with it since I've applied patches from upstream to firmware loading part of kernel | 16:44 |
| filippz | sledges: quite possible - wlan/firmware-loading bug was breaking boot process at the latter time, so it's probably not that | 16:46 |
| filippz | but how is that the same kernel boots nemo for Hurrian... | 16:47 |
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| sledges | Hurrian does not have uart setup | 16:52 |
| sledges | so juiceme might be,experiencing some other troubles | 16:53 |
| krnlyng | filippz: yeah i don't have it blacklisted anymore, and it boots just fine | 16:54 |
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| filippz | juiceme: can you try building it with these two scripts: http://pastebin.com/TaGd2ULL, and http://pastebin.com/FRV5zQBK (this one shoul be named prepare_modules.sh) | 16:56 |
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| filippz | sledges, krnlyng: would now be a good time to discuss the current state of the 3.5.3 kernel ? | 16:58 |
| filippz | juiceme: first one is without the extra comma at the end: http://pastebin.com/TaGd2ULL | 16:59 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: may i ask how you figured out what the issue with wifi was? | 17:05 |
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| filippz | trial and error - brute force in the purest form possible - I've just placed return statements at differenet parts of wlan driver probe part until I've found offending statement | 17:07 |
| sledges | ftw ;) | 17:08 |
| filippz | Then I looked at the difference in firmware loading between kernel versions, and stumbled on references to udev changes in that regard... | 17:09 |
| filippz | Of course, probably no one knows why nemo (with the same udev and kernel) booted while Sailfish didn't... | 17:11 |
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| krnlyng | filippz: nice find :) | 17:13 |
| filippz | just to recap what's not working in 3.5.3: CMT (port of drivers is there, but it's just not working), GPS (we shoul try to package nped and dependencies) | 17:14 |
| krnlyng | filippz: bluetooth? | 17:15 |
| sledges | filippz: i see Hurrian recently updated https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project | 17:15 |
| krnlyng | filippz: did you have a change to try the upstream CMT patches? | 17:16 |
| krnlyng | chance* | 17:16 |
| filippz | I'm waiting for the final version for N900 - maybe just SSI/HSI parts could be replaced | 17:17 |
| sledges | is vakkov on that one? | 17:17 |
| filippz | camera also gives just black pictures (libomap3camd is acting up - this could be very hard to debug - MSameer?) | 17:18 |
| filippz | I've been looking at CMT patches listed at http://elinux.org/N900 | 17:19 |
| sledges | oh ok | 17:19 |
| krnlyng | filippz: https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/3/28/492 "The plan is to get it merged into 3.16." woho :) | 17:22 |
| krnlyng | juiceme: can you try this kernel? http://www.mediafire.com/download/88qmnwjx3zt21wl/kernel.tar.bz2 | 17:23 |
| krnlyng | juiceme: it works on my n9 with sailfish | 17:23 |
| filippz | for the usb - we should move from g_file_storage to g_mass_storage in userspace, also there is a glitch in kernel | 17:23 |
| krnlyng | juiceme: (it's the 3.5.3 kernel based on filippz 's sources) | 17:24 |
| filippz | after first load of usb "gadget" the kernel is configured to use 500mA, but on next plugging of usb and loading of the sam gadged, usb remains "unconfugred" and draws only 100mA | 17:25 |
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| filippz | also power consumption is higher than in old kernel, and it seems that the kernel doesn't shut down cleanly, but rather crashes (juiceme - could you check this when you do get it to boot) | 17:27 |
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| filippz | As for bluetooth I haven't tested any of it's functionality | 17:28 |
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| filippz | All the problems/bugs/glitches mentioned are up for grabs - if someone has time/knowledge/will - please help | 17:31 |
| filippz | and - thanks Hurrian for updating wiki | 17:33 |
| sledges | great work on wlan filippz \o/ this positions n9 in a coming systemd update friendly place, carrying nemo stack forward | 17:35 |
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| filippz | thanks sledges - if we could just find one or two people to crack the hard parts (with good knowledge of inner workings of N900/N9/N950 and kernel) | 17:50 |
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| sledges | add Hurrian to your crew, he's in the US this week btw | 17:51 |
| sledges | last week he was keen on continuing | 17:51 |
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| filippz | yes, Hurrian and juiceme will surely squash some bugs and add missing features! | 17:55 |
| filippz | I'm still worried about CMT (no public documentation), GPS (can we use nped?) and camera (libomap3camd binary blob is misbehaving) | 17:55 |
| filippz | Someone from the "original team" would solve these in a couple of days - for the rest of us this could prove too hard | 17:56 |
| qwazix | maybe instead of trying to mess with the camera blob it would be easier to port fcam-drivers to the N9? The N900 implementation is open source. Just sayin' | 17:57 |
| filippz | yes, that's and option - but I have no knowledge of fcam and all about gstreamer I've learned just to test camera drivers | 18:02 |
| filippz | someone like MSammer would probably solve this in a fraction of time that it would take someone like me (and the quality of code would be superior) | 18:03 |
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| filippz | Also, probably just some minor change to kernel would make libomap3camd work OK | 18:06 |
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| juiceme | filippz, krnlyng, hiya | 18:37 |
| krnlyng | hiya :) | 18:38 |
| juiceme | indeed I am fairly sure there's something wrong either with my toolchain or the config I am trying to build. | 18:38 |
| krnlyng | juiceme: can you pastebin your config? | 18:38 |
| juiceme | since, there's absolutely no serial output when I boot the image I built. And theres's no need to blacklist any modules, I should be seeing a lot of logs before any modules are loaded :) | 18:39 |
| juiceme | just a min. | 18:39 |
| * sledges nods | 18:39 | |
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| juiceme | here you are: http://pastebin.com/E7w4t1xe | 18:41 |
| Deformat | qwazix, I just noticed that IRC borked my last 2 messages. I'll be short: instead of implementing so many radical changes to vanilla harmattan style | 18:43 |
| Deformat | We could have a widget menu, with search and shortcuts | 18:43 |
| Deformat | That can be accessed by swiping down from the 3 menus already present +the lockscreen | 18:44 |
| Deformat | Apps won't have that functionality. | 18:45 |
| Deformat | Thus we can have screen estate and shortcuts. | 18:45 |
| Deformat | Would you prefer me to do a small presentation in the following days? | 18:46 |
| krnlyng | juiceme: this is the config i use: http://pastebin.com/c2ztxR3y | 18:46 |
| juiceme | okay, just now building with the script filippz pastebinned earlier | 18:47 |
| juiceme | ah but yes... that must be it | 18:48 |
| juiceme | you are using scratchbox to build, right | 18:48 |
| juiceme | just got to the place where it says sb2 :) | 18:48 |
| juiceme | am using bare crosscompiling, as I do when building ubiboot kernels | 18:49 |
| juiceme | damn | 18:49 |
| krnlyng | juiceme: i am using bare crosscompiling too | 18:49 |
| juiceme | oh, ok? | 18:49 |
| sledges | but with which gcc version? ;) | 18:49 |
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| juiceme | 4.6.3 | 18:50 |
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| juiceme | krnlyng, I'll try with the config you gave. | 18:51 |
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| juiceme | any extra thingies needed, or just make it? | 18:51 |
| krnlyng | juiceme: arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc (GCC) 4.8.2 | 18:51 |
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| krnlyng | juiceme: no should be fine | 18:51 |
| juiceme | 4.8.2.. hmm | 18:51 |
| juiceme | could that make a difference, it should not really? | 18:52 |
| juiceme | I'll have a go at it | 18:52 |
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| sledges | config first | 18:53 |
| stephg | ask questions later | 18:53 |
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| krnlyng | juiceme: btw, which sources are you using? https://github.com/filippz/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9 or https://github.com/nemomobile/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9 ? | 18:53 |
| sledges | but i remember cases where toolchain version mismatch caused kernel stall | 18:53 |
| sledges | on very vendor-specific embedded boards though | 18:54 |
| sledges | and vendor-provided toolchains | 18:54 |
| sledges | something to remember in worse cases | 18:54 |
| juiceme | krnlyng, the former | 18:56 |
| juiceme | and the master branc on that repo | 18:57 |
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| juiceme | now this is odd I'd say... Just while compiling the kernel again, I booted the one I made earlier on another N9 | 19:25 |
| sledges | oo | 19:25 |
| juiceme | and Nemo did almost boot on it | 19:25 |
| juiceme | well I got to bootscreen at least :9 | 19:25 |
| juiceme | but then it just hung there | 19:25 |
| juiceme | extremely strange, that. Unfortunately this device got no serial hookup with it, now | 19:26 |
| sledges | if you're at boot screen, means kernel finished booting | 19:27 |
| sledges | and rootfs started | 19:27 |
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| juiceme | yes, it's the blue gradient screen with NEMO txt | 19:27 |
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| juiceme | However, that's about it, no reaction after that whatsoever. It just hangs there | 19:28 |
| sledges | usbnet? | 19:28 |
| juiceme | no reaction to USB plgging in | 19:28 |
| juiceme | neither on the PC | 19:29 |
| juiceme | noting on dmesg, which hould show some reation if the other end is somewhat alive | 19:29 |
| sledges | how did you get to dmesg? | 19:29 |
| juiceme | I mean dmesg on my linux box | 19:30 |
| sledges | ok | 19:30 |
| juiceme | which should show something when I connect the device | 19:30 |
| sledges | maybe you could blacklist wlan module they talked about earlier? | 19:30 |
| juiceme | yes, could try that | 19:30 |
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| juiceme | i'll boot up to normal kernel and try that | 19:31 |
| sledges | oki | 19:31 |
| juiceme | all the wl* modules? | 19:37 |
| sledges | won't hurt i reckon | 19:38 |
| juiceme | oki | 19:38 |
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| juiceme | nope, acts just the same. | 19:40 |
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| sledges | i wonder what differences your n9s have | 19:49 |
| juiceme | just tried the new kernwl I made, with krnlyng's config. | 19:50 |
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| juiceme | and it's just the same behaviour, even with wl* blacklisted | 19:51 |
| juiceme | sledges, the biggest wonder is why I got nothing on serial console earlier today, with my other device... | 19:51 |
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| juiceme | now waiteaminute... I booted up the default Nemo kernal and logged in, and there's wl12xx_sdio and wl12xx loaded, even as I blacklited them!! | 19:55 |
| juiceme | argh... I put the.ko at the end of the names.. | 19:56 |
| juiceme | typo me poor | 19:56 |
| juiceme | :( | 19:56 |
| stephg | :) | 19:56 |
| juiceme | np, rebooting.. | 19:57 |
| juiceme | now, fingers crossed... | 19:57 |
| juiceme | ... no change whtsoever | 19:59 |
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| krnlyng | juiceme: did you already try the kernel i sent you? | 20:02 |
| juiceme | no, not yes | 20:03 |
| juiceme | but tell me why I cannot blacklist my modules in Nemo?? | 20:03 |
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| juiceme | I thought it was 'cos I first accientally put he .ko on the modules, but it still does not work... | 20:04 |
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| krnlyng | um.. | 20:04 |
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| juiceme | so does it read /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf at all...? | 20:04 |
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| juiceme | krnlyng, this the one: http://www.mediafire.com/download/88qmnwjx3zt21wl/kernel.tar.bz2 | 20:06 |
| krnlyng | juiceme: yeah | 20:06 |
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| juiceme | krnlyng, should I try to blacklist the wl* modules? | 20:10 |
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| krnlyng | juiceme: this kernel should work without blacklisting the wl* modules | 20:10 |
| juiceme | allright, I'l try that irst | 20:11 |
| juiceme | first even | 20:11 |
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| juiceme | allright... now lets see | 20:15 |
| juiceme | okay :) | 20:15 |
| juiceme | that one booted | 20:15 |
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| juiceme | [root@localhost ~]# | 20:16 |
| juiceme | [root@localhost ~]# uname -a | 20:16 |
| juiceme | Linux localhost 3.5.3-00339-g341d7e2-dirty #90 PREEMPT Wed Feb 12 11:55:58 CET 2014 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux | 20:16 |
| juiceme | [root@localhost ~]# | 20:16 |
| juiceme | :P | 20:16 |
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| juiceme | so evidently I did something wrong... | 20:16 |
| juiceme | krnlyng, what's the exact source tree you are building? | 20:17 |
| juiceme | but yes. | 20:17 |
| juiceme | got to go now, l8er | 20:18 |
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| krnlyng | juiceme: i used https://github.com/filippz/kernel-adaptation-n950-n9 too | 20:36 |
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