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| virtuald | GOD MORGON GOD MORGON | 04:00 |
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| Deformat | qwazix sandy_locke http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/4/5/5585216/team-behind-webos-releases-mochi-redesign-open-source | 04:15 |
| Deformat | Also, welcome back, qwazix | 04:16 |
| Deformat | locusf as well, whoever is interested: basically, a lot of graphic work could be used from WebOS directly as temporary UI elements. | 04:19 |
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| virtuald | What can we run it on? | 04:20 |
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| stephg | ning! | 08:09 |
| Stskeeps | morning | 08:09 |
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| locusf | morning | 08:32 |
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| faenil | o/ morning | 09:12 |
| tbr | moaning | 09:18 |
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| sledges | ninging! | 11:00 |
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| stephg | noonnoon! I think you mwan | 11:04 |
| stephg | s/w/e/ | 11:04 |
| stephg | so I have questions | 11:08 |
| stephg | it's not immediately clear to me how lipstick gets started | 11:08 |
| stephg | as I can't seem to find systemd related settings for it in /etc/systemd | 11:08 |
| stephg | it clearly does, but where...? | 11:08 |
| Stskeeps | usr/lib/systemd/user | 11:08 |
| stephg | ta | 11:09 |
| stephg | oh that looks alot more like it. Not very familiar with systemd yet | 11:09 |
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| qwazix | I suppose it's better to keep home-screen and app mockups in a seperate repo from controls, no? | 11:55 |
| locusf | sure that works too | 11:56 |
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| qwazix | also, what do you think of stealing the sailfish dynamic accent color idea? Or do you prefer per-app accent color like harmattan? | 12:18 |
| qwazix | or we can go WP and make it user-configurable | 12:19 |
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| locusf | well if user-configurable is doable then lets do that | 14:00 |
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| qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/homescreen.png | 14:09 |
| qwazix | and | 14:09 |
| qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/homescreen-editmode.png | 14:09 |
| qwazix | bbl | 14:10 |
| locusf | dynamically loadable qml as widgets, challenge accepted | 14:22 |
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| Deformat | qwazix | 14:44 |
| qwazix | yep | 14:45 |
| Deformat | like the stuff you've done, perhaps you could move that bottombar with icons a bit more higher on the lockscreen, akin to WP8 | 14:45 |
| qwazix | right now the lockscreen doesn't have status icons at all, maybe we should put the most basic there yeah | 14:46 |
| Deformat | also, I'd go with per-app accent a la harmattan | 14:47 |
| qwazix | :nod: I seem to prefer that approach too | 14:47 |
| faenil | Deformat, are you the guy who was working on graphics? | 14:48 |
| Deformat | qwazix is the boss arpund here, I have been working a bit as well, but haven't got to actually finish and upload stuff | 14:49 |
| faenil | yeah ok, anyway nice to meet you :) | 14:49 |
| faenil | I've been away while you joined as I was busy with exams | 14:49 |
| faenil | but I'm kind of back now :) | 14:49 |
| Deformat | nice to meet you too! :) | 14:49 |
| qwazix | oo, hi faenil :)) | 14:49 |
| faenil | welcome ::) | 14:49 |
| faenil | qwazix, hey mate :) long time no talk eh? :) | 14:50 |
| qwazix | yeah, I guess we both been quite busy | 14:50 |
| faenil | yeah | 14:50 |
| qwazix | faenil, what do you think about home screen? http://play.qwazix.com/shared/homescreen.png | 14:51 |
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| AndChat|551025 | qwazix: here's something else I've been thinking at a while ago, whilst you were missing: | 14:52 |
| faenil | qwazix, it's cool, I just think it will take time to do that widget stuff :) but hey, we're here for that! :D | 14:52 |
| faenil | I'm also a bit bothered by the performance implications of having widgets there | 14:52 |
| AndChat|551025 | (Deformat here, wait a sec) | 14:52 |
| qwazix | I like that attitude :-D | 14:52 |
| faenil | apps icons are already costly to draw at the moment, due to the fact that each icon is drawn with 1 gl call | 14:53 |
| faenil | so, having widgets as well could slow it down even more | 14:53 |
| faenil | (see sailfishos not being smooth when scrolling apps list) | 14:53 |
| qwazix | On the other hand I think it shouldn't be that hard. I was thinking something like hijacking the freedesktop.org desktop files to for qml files instead of just icons | 14:53 |
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| AndChat|551025 | Right. | 14:54 |
| qwazix | (I think that's how maemo5 handled widgets too) | 14:54 |
| AndChat|551025 | http://alexandrutenie.deviantart.com/art/Nemo-icon-philosophy-440319111?ga_submit_new=10%253A1394821349 | 14:54 |
| AndChat|551025 | Long story short: maybe we could bother with having special accents for some system apps | 14:54 |
| faenil | qwazix, I know nothing about widget implementations in any system , so I could be overcomplicating it ;) | 14:54 |
| AndChat|551025 | As in: maybe we could have blue for texting and telephony apps, green for, let's say, terminal | 14:55 |
| AndChat|551025 | Purple for media | 14:56 |
| qwazix | Deformat, not bad. It's cool to have alternate icon themes, and it's easy to switch too. | 14:56 |
| AndChat|551025 | And let the devs do whatever they want in their apps. | 14:56 |
| AndChat|551025 | Thanks | 14:56 |
| qwazix | faenil, I was thinking something like including Loaders with dynamic sourceComponent inside homescreen | 14:56 |
| qwazix | then load the src from .desktop files | 14:57 |
| qwazix | the arrangement should complicate things a bit though | 14:57 |
| qwazix | it's not a flat grid anymore | 14:57 |
| AndChat|551025 | Another thing I asked (but I know it's difficult to implement) is about a font change: | 14:58 |
| AndChat|551025 | http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01419.html | 14:58 |
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| qwazix | I didn't know about clear sans, and Fira sans came a little late (after we decided to go with open sans) | 15:00 |
| qwazix | what languages does clear support that open sans doesn't? | 15:00 |
| AndChat|551025 | Greek | 15:01 |
| AndChat|551025 | Vietnamese | 15:01 |
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| AndChat|551025 | Russian | 15:01 |
| AndChat|551025 | Not sure about Turkish | 15:01 |
| qwazix | Open Sans does support Greek and Cyrillic, that's why I chose it | 15:01 |
| AndChat|551025 | Ah. | 15:01 |
| qwazix | (I'm Greek) | 15:01 |
| AndChat|551025 | Ah, kalimera! :D | 15:02 |
| qwazix | I would have chosen Source Sans if it wasn't for that. | 15:02 |
| qwazix | Καλημέρα :) | 15:02 |
| AndChat|551025 | Neah, I'm just a Romanian dude who went to Corfu once xD | 15:03 |
| AndChat|551025 | (Kerkyra) | 15:03 |
| qwazix | It's just kalimera with greek letters | 15:04 |
| AndChat|551025 | Anyways, I was mislead somehow that you guys had issues with the font, and tried to fix something xD | 15:04 |
| AndChat|551025 | I know :p | 15:04 |
| qwazix | For the time being the only issue is that it's a bit overused, so we might consider a change, but I'm still reluctant to do revisit decisions that somebody has spent time on (Open Sans is already in the repos and made default, which required some effort - packaging etc) | 15:06 |
| qwazix | s/do revisit/revisit/ | 15:07 |
| AndChat|551025 | Understood. | 15:10 |
| AndChat|551025 | Btw qwazix , I was working on the music player UI, maybe I could come up with a calendar one as well? | 15:11 |
| AndChat|551025 | Respecting the guidelines ofcourse | 15:12 |
| qwazix | yep, every app needs UI design | 15:12 |
| faenil | come up with as many as you wish :p | 15:12 |
| AndChat|551025 | Yay! | 15:12 |
| faenil | of course you have to use Glacier components | 15:13 |
| qwazix | I seem to remember that Morpog_ already has an app mockups repo, if not I'll create one | 15:13 |
| AndChat|551025 | Will see what can do. I'll have Easter holidays soon. | 15:13 |
| faenil | don't just plan UIs to be custom for each app :p | 15:13 |
| qwazix | faenil, +1 | 15:13 |
| faenil | see which UI components are planned/available | 15:13 |
| faenil | and use *those* components | 15:13 |
| faenil | if there's any component missing which you think is vital or is needed for many apps | 15:13 |
| faenil | come here, we'll discuss about it, hopefully make a spec, and implement it :) | 15:14 |
| AndChat|551025 | Aren't the ones on the blog good enough? There was also a browser mockup... | 15:14 |
| AndChat|551025 | (for reference) | 15:14 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier | 15:16 |
| faenil | see style there | 15:16 |
| faenil | those are the components we can use | 15:16 |
| AndChat|551025 | Ah, yeah | 15:17 |
| AndChat|551025 | That as well | 15:17 |
| faenil | gtg guys, bbl :) | 15:19 |
| faenil | time to get off some butt :p | 15:19 |
| locusf | wtf | 15:19 |
| AndChat|551025 | Laters! I'm going as well | 15:20 |
| faenil | AndChat|551025, oh btw | 15:20 |
| AndChat|551025 | ? | 15:20 |
| faenil | AndChat|551025, if you look at that wiki, you'll notice not all components are specced | 15:20 |
| faenil | that is actually a higher priority than having mockup for apps | 15:20 |
| faenil | we'd first need to fill those gaps | 15:21 |
| faenil | laterssss | 15:21 |
| faenil | o/ | 15:21 |
| AndChat|551025 | By "specced" you mean "vectorized" or... | 15:21 |
| faenil | I mean | 15:21 |
| faenil | there's a pdf saying how coders should implement that component | 15:21 |
| AndChat|551025 | Ah, ok | 15:21 |
| faenil | with measures and everything | 15:21 |
| AndChat|551025 | Got it | 15:21 |
| faenil | possibly with all the usability cases covered | 15:22 |
| AndChat|551025 | Ok :) | 15:22 |
| faenil | :) | 15:22 |
| AndChat|551025 | Ciao! | 15:22 |
| faenil | o/ | 15:22 |
| locusf | something like here: https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec | 15:22 |
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| locusf | ok bye all | 15:22 |
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| qwazix | anybody has a screenshot of the lockscreen handy? | 15:41 |
| locusf | https://twitter.com/locusf/status/450317236453273600 | 15:42 |
| qwazix | many thanks | 15:47 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, no app mockup repo yet | 15:54 |
| Morpog_ | just nemo-artwork | 15:54 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, thanks. I'll make one | 15:55 |
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| faenil | turns out, I'm still alive! | 16:59 |
| locusf | yay | 16:59 |
| faenil | but after 1:20h running, you can imagine I need a shower :D | 16:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: :D | 17:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | go make yourself clean and come after | 17:00 |
| faenil | xD | 17:00 |
| faenil | yessir! | 17:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: was wondering: how do you run the nemo lipstick on Jolla ? | 17:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | PM based or simply override jolla's lipstick executable ? | 17:00 |
| locusf | RPM | 17:00 |
| faenil | override should work too I guess | 17:01 |
| faenil | (dirty though) | 17:01 |
| faenil | bbl | 17:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | actually the Jolla might be the best device to develop Nemo | 17:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (ironically) | 17:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no need to have a rootfs, etc. and no issues with drivers | 17:01 |
| locusf | it is right now :) | 17:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 17:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: thanks for the email in sailfish ml btw | 17:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it goes to the point | 17:03 |
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| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, I was already using Jolla for the header, in January :) | 17:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah ? | 17:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 17:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: did you put the topics to be discussed during the SF OSS meeting ? | 17:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm thinking of them, I'm sure that I missed some of them | 17:25 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, no I didn't | 17:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeeting | 17:25 |
| faenil | oh :) | 17:25 |
| faenil | just read your reply on ml | 17:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | indeed it's important to focus on topic, however, which topic ? | 17:27 |
| faenil | I'll write there later ;) | 17:29 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: don't forget :) | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | fwiw, we're down for a long discussion if we focus on the closed component parts, the problem that ought to be solved is that of the collaboration on open components | 17:29 |
| Stskeeps | (imho) | 17:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: ok | 17:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, I think that, when SF is advertized as an open OS, it should be considered | 17:30 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but, scope :) | 17:30 |
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| faenil | piratepad is down, cool | 17:31 |
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| faenil | hahah | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | Sfiet_Konstantin: of course; but one problem at a time .. :) | 17:32 |
| Stskeeps | if you can't be open on what's open, it's not going to help anything to just open more source | 17:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: understood, I just wrote down that line because this is tickling me from the beginning | 17:33 |
| Stskeeps | nod | 17:33 |
| qwazix | https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-apps | 17:36 |
| qwazix | fork away | 17:36 |
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| qwazix | http://qwazix.github.io/nemomobile.github.com/#navigation <-- please comment if you agree with this kind of navigation paradigm or not, and why | 18:07 |
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| Morpog_PC | not sure if the swipe from left to navigate back would work that well in real life situation | 18:12 |
| Morpog_PC | is this killing the back button? | 18:14 |
| Morpog_PC | or optional? | 18:14 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC, it's killing the back button | 18:19 |
| qwazix | nobody liked the back button in the upper corner and wazd proposed this solution | 18:19 |
| qwazix | at first I didn't like it at all but the fact that when on the main screen of the app it goes to the home screen convinced me | 18:20 |
| Morpog_PC | could work or not :) | 18:20 |
| qwazix | also, we can leave a small column of the previous page visible on the left edge to hint people | 18:20 |
| qwazix | sec | 18:21 |
| Morpog_PC | people coming from other os than harmattan and sailfishos are most times confused about swipe actions from outside | 18:21 |
| qwazix | something like this http://play.qwazix.com/shared/app-page-stack.png | 18:23 |
| qwazix | nowadays all OS'es use them. Android uses them on the lockscreen (to launch the camera), iOS for the control center, windows 8 uses them extensively, WP8 introduced them at v8.1 | 18:24 |
| qwazix | people are already getting used to it I think | 18:25 |
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| Morpog_PC | qwazix the stack idea is nice, but eats screen estate | 18:33 |
| Morpog_PC | why not doing it only in the header? a bit like the sailfishos dots | 18:34 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC, it doesn't eat. It's just a design inside the margin we already have | 18:34 |
| qwazix | I have to make a more proper mockup of that | 18:35 |
| Morpog_PC | but what if tehre are 5 or more pages? | 18:36 |
| qwazix | then we should stick to a standard image that means 4+ | 18:36 |
| qwazix | no point in tracking more than 4 pages deep | 18:37 |
| Morpog_PC | valid point | 18:37 |
| qwazix | not to mention that such deep navigation should be discouraged by the guidelines | 18:38 |
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| sledges | amazing progress fellows! | 19:02 |
| * sledges is breaking cars atm :) nice to catch up on backlog | 19:03 | |
| Morpog_PC | no one of you should start this addicting browser game i'm addicted to since 2 weeks :D | 19:03 |
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| faenil | back :) Morpog_PC what game is it | 19:09 |
| Morpog_PC | coockie clicker :D | 19:11 |
| Morpog_PC | don't start it faenil ;) | 19:11 |
| Morpog_PC | at first you think what the hell, how boring is that and how senseless | 19:11 |
| Morpog_PC | but soon..... | 19:12 |
| faenil | :D | 19:12 |
| faenil | I've been playing Path of Exile with friends recently | 19:12 |
| faenil | if there's any hack'n'slash RPG lover here, please join :D | 19:12 |
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| stephg | evening | 20:33 |
| faenil | evening | 20:34 |
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| stephg | so lipstick has me confused | 20:43 |
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| stephg | trying to start it manually so I can do so via gdb and get traces for the new homescreen and the segfaults | 20:43 |
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| stephg | I see in the lipstick.service there's a relevant EnvironmentFile | 20:44 |
| faenil | yes | 20:44 |
| stephg | but when I source or export those variables | 20:44 |
| stephg | the thing still won't launch | 20:44 |
| faenil | if you're on ssh remember the env is different | 20:44 |
| faenil | btw I'm watching a movie, bbl :) | 20:44 |
| stephg | hehe | 20:44 |
| stephg | run! | 20:44 |
| faenil | nah :) | 20:45 |
| faenil | what error do you have btw | 20:45 |
| stephg | not at that pc but iirc it's trying the wrong plugin | 20:45 |
| stephg | trying to use xcb or xsomethingsomething | 20:46 |
| faenil | you'er probably missing variables from /var/lib/environment | 20:46 |
| stephg | so I export them exactly as they are in the lipstick.service but still no dice | 20:46 |
| faenil | the systemd user session has more variables defined, which you need | 20:46 |
| stephg | ah | 20:46 |
| faenil | no, not only those | 20:46 |
| stephg | ok | 20:46 |
| stephg | that would make more sense | 20:46 |
| faenil | look into that dir ;) | 20:46 |
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| faenil | now, bbl :) | 20:47 |
| faenil | eheh | 20:47 |
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| stephg | getting somewhere | 21:07 |
| stephg | what's the wayland analogue for localhost:0 ? | 21:07 |
| stephg | nevermind, think I found it: WAYLAND_DISPLAY sound reasonable? | 21:09 |
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