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| stephg | much ow | 07:57 |
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| Stskeeps | hungover? | 07:57 |
| stephg | yup | 07:58 |
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| locusf | morning, you gotta install statefs-provider-bme for battery stats on n9 | 08:26 |
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| stephg | ooh ok | 08:29 |
| stephg | hm | 08:29 |
| stephg | is already there | 08:30 |
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| locusf | is bme running? | 08:46 |
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| locusf | morning faenil | 08:56 |
| faenil | o/ | 08:56 |
| faenil | morning people | 08:56 |
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| stephg | locusf, yep | 09:02 |
| locusf | hmm | 09:02 |
| locusf | odd, it should display the battery stats | 09:02 |
| locusf | I don't remember exactly how I made it happen, it jus tdid | 09:03 |
| stephg | last time I looked at this with sledges (a couple of weeks back) the sysfs entries don't seem to be there | 09:03 |
| stephg | or aren't correct | 09:03 |
| stephg | so obvs no hope then further up the stack | 09:03 |
| locusf | yeah you need the user based entries, not the root based | 09:03 |
| locusf | yep | 09:03 |
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| locusf | hmm I can't test the latest version of the homescreen due to a bug in my Mer SDK setup | 09:04 |
| stephg | my drunken ramblings above are what it currently looks like on device | 09:05 |
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| locusf | ok | 09:06 |
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| locusf | my rootfs ran out of space suddenly | 09:12 |
| stephg | in the sdk? | 09:14 |
| locusf | no my host | 09:17 |
| locusf | ah my backups | 09:17 |
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| locusf | my nas iscsi isn't working since the system upgrade, darn | 09:19 |
| stephg | aha | 09:19 |
| locusf | well see you in a moment | 09:19 |
| locusf | I'll reboot | 09:19 |
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| stephg | safe rebooting :) | 09:19 |
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| locusf | ok back | 09:42 |
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| locusf | problems building a custom windowmodel /usr/include/lipstick-qt5/lipstickcompositorwindow.h:19:31: fatal error: QWaylandSurfaceItem: No such file or directory | 10:15 |
| locusf | /usr/include/lipstick-qt5/lipstickcompositorwindow.h:19:31: fatal error: QWaylandSurfaceItem: No such file or directory | 10:15 |
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| locusf | worked with DEFINES += QT_COMPOSITOR_QUICK and QT += compositor | 10:19 |
| locusf | WindowModel: Compositor must be created before WindowModel | 10:25 |
| locusf | this prevents custom WindowModel ping special | 10:25 |
| faenil | could it be that you're running the custom lipstick while the original one is still running? | 10:28 |
| locusf | ah custom lipstick indeed | 10:33 |
| locusf | I have the preview of the pandoras box | 10:33 |
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| locusf | now my contextproperty doesn't work to the qml | 10:35 |
| locusf | app.engine()->rootContext()->setContextProperty("GlacierWindowModel", GlacierWindowModel::instance()); | 10:35 |
| locusf | thats the correct way of doing it, right? | 10:36 |
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| locusf | had to use qmlRegisterType | 11:01 |
| locusf | stupid but worked | 11:01 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/pull/5 | 11:05 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: better use qmlRegisterType IMO | 11:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | using context properties can clash from different modules | 11:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | context properties should be used with care | 11:25 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: okay | 11:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: why do you need singleton instance ? | 11:27 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: no particular reason, I just like doing it that way | 11:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: I don't :( | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | models might read from a singleton datasource | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but themselves shouldn't be singletons | 11:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (IMO) | 11:28 |
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| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: okay, how should I do it then? | 11:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: I'm reviewing code. Added some comments on github | 11:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: IMO, just remove the singleton thing | 11:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | beware of the default constructor, you are missing the QObject *parent = 0 argument | 11:32 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: I left a lot of inline comments as well, feel free to update PR and ping me again ? :) | 11:36 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: http://pastie.org/8996145 | 11:37 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: sure, I'll try fixing them | 11:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: missing Q_OBJECT macro | 11:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | clean your build | 11:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and, (very important): clean the makefiles | 11:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (and / or rerun qmake) | 11:39 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: I'm not missing it | 11:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: rerun qmake | 11:41 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: http://pastie.org/8996150 | 11:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: inherit from WindowModel too | 11:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (line 16 of your paste, inside the constructor) | 11:41 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: what do you mean by that? | 11:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | GlacierWindowModel::GlacierWindowModel(QObject *parent): WindowModel(parent) {} | 11:42 |
| locusf | okay | 11:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | comment out all the instance things too (rignt now) | 11:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and try rerun qmake | 11:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you can also try to add a destructor as well | 11:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (should be optionnal though) | 11:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if nothing works, you can simply remove your build folder and rebuild | 11:43 |
| locusf | http://pastie.org/8996153 | 11:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: are you trying to build the glacier compositor on top of Jolla ? | 11:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | eh ... | 11:44 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: probably not | 11:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | where is the source of WindowModel :D ? | 11:44 |
| locusf | in lipstick | 11:44 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/blob/master/src/compositor/windowmodel.h | 11:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: sorry I was wrong then | 11:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is interesting that they don't have the constructor using QObject | 11:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | remove the QObject thing | 11:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however, this sounds wrong | 11:45 |
| locusf | oh | 11:46 |
| locusf | I also removed the Q_OBJECT macro | 11:47 |
| locusf | it didn't work with it | 11:47 |
| locusf | even after make cleaning | 11:48 |
| locusf | and rerunning qmake | 11:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this is strange though | 11:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you need the Q_OBJECT macro to be present | 11:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: tried adding a destructor ? | 11:48 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: yes there is a destructor now | 11:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | IIRC this happens when moc fails | 11:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | without Q_OBJECT macro does it works ? | 11:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | This puzzles me a bit | 11:50 |
| locusf | yes | 11:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | if it works, the I will accept it as this | 11:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | as it | 11:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but we need to take a look afterwards in this area then | 11:50 |
| locusf | repushed | 11:51 |
| locusf | tested as working | 11:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the instance thing should be removed | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just because you have a public constructor, this ruins the purpose of singleton | 11:53 |
| locusf | ok | 11:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: and the private static m_instance ;) | 11:54 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: ok now it should be removed :) | 11:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: nope, this won't compile :P | 11:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (in cpp file :P) | 11:57 |
| locusf | grr :p | 11:57 |
| locusf | removed | 11:57 |
| locusf | I was grr'ing my own stupidity not to you :) | 12:00 |
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| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: is it ok now? | 12:09 |
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| locusf | will now try to get into the bottom of the theming issues | 12:46 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: LGTM, feel free to merge | 13:09 |
| locusf | ok merged | 13:11 |
| locusf | hmm it failed | 13:15 |
| locusf | I need a spec file change | 13:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: ah, dependency not added ? | 13:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I see | 13:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | gimme another PR :P | 13:17 |
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| locusf | is it Qt5Compositor? | 13:20 |
| locusf | as pkgconfig | 13:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | go to /usr/lib/pkgconfig and check | 13:22 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I don't know | 13:22 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/pull/6 | 13:25 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: ^ | 13:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no much to comment :P | 13:26 |
| locusf | unresolvable ... | 13:29 |
| locusf | damn obs | 13:29 |
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| locusf | and can't modify projconf | 13:29 |
| locusf | fffffuuuuuu | 13:30 |
| locusf | sledges: ping | 13:30 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: what's unsolvable ? | 13:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what error does it provides ? | 13:31 |
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| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home/pull/6 | 13:32 |
| locusf | have choice for pkgconfig(Qt5Compositor): qt5-qtwayland-nogl-devel qt5-qtwayland-xcomposite_egl-devel qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl-devel | 13:33 |
| locusf | we need a prefer | 13:33 |
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| Venemo_j | hi | 13:34 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: yep :/ | 13:35 |
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| locusf | well, nothing we can do about it | 13:44 |
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| sledges | locusf: pong | 15:57 |
| sledges | i can't modify prjconf either | 15:57 |
| sledges | w00t hlp pls: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=lipstick-glacier-home-qt5&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Aux# | 15:57 |
| * Stskeeps looks | 15:57 | |
| sledges | Stskeeps: you can't modify those either ;) | 15:58 |
| sledges | only Sage- & w00t | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | what on earth did you guys do.. | 15:58 |
| sledges | added Qt5Compositor | 15:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok, think i fixed it | 16:02 |
| sledges | thank you Mr Powers :) | 16:02 |
| locusf | whee thanks Stskeeps :) | 16:04 |
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| locusf | glacier homescreen video incoming | 16:08 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: sauce ;) | 16:08 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: ahoy! | 16:09 |
| sandy_locke | hey sledges :) | 16:09 |
| sandy_locke | thanks for the heads up on dialogs implementation on twitter :) | 16:09 |
| sledges | what i wanted to show you back in the day, was Deformat's circly icon pack | 16:09 |
| sandy_locke | shoot | 16:10 |
| sledges | and ask for your opinion | 16:10 |
| * sledges digs backlog | 16:10 | |
| sledges | http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2014/073/9/8/nemo_icon_philosophy_by_alexandrutenie-d7a5kef.png | 16:11 |
| * sandy_locke is looking at the showcase | 16:12 | |
| sandy_locke | sledges: 1sec, I'm preparing sth to show you | 16:17 |
| sledges | ^yay^ | 16:17 |
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| sandy_locke | so sledges , I like the concept, but for the icons I'd like us to follow this grid layout | 16:22 |
| sandy_locke | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53739998/icon_blank.png | 16:22 |
| * sledges is looking at white page | 16:22 | |
| sledges | :) | 16:22 |
| sandy_locke | mmmh | 16:22 |
| sandy_locke | wait | 16:22 |
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| sandy_locke | ok sledges | 16:31 |
| sandy_locke | sorry | 16:31 |
| sandy_locke | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53739998/icon_blank.png | 16:31 |
| sandy_locke | so I'd like to base our icons on this layout, to have pixel perfect icons | 16:31 |
| sledges | looks like Vitruvian Man ;) | 16:31 |
| sandy_locke | I like the round icons idea | 16:32 |
| sandy_locke | yes that's a but like it ;) | 16:32 |
| sandy_locke | stuffs like golden ratio and all | 16:32 |
| sandy_locke | it would allow our icons to please most of people | 16:32 |
| sandy_locke | since it's a ratio that humans are used to | 16:33 |
| sledges | so does this tie in with your layout atm http://qwazix.github.io/nemomobile.github.com/#iconography ? | 16:33 |
| sandy_locke | not all icons :/ | 16:34 |
| sandy_locke | if you take the passwords clock or email icons for instance, yes | 16:35 |
| sandy_locke | but terminal, text editor or packages, no | 16:35 |
| sandy_locke | for continuity we shouldn't go beyond the circle | 16:36 |
| sandy_locke | and keep this ratio to draw shapes inside it | 16:36 |
| sandy_locke | photo isn't following the ration neither | 16:36 |
| sandy_locke | /ration/ratio | 16:37 |
| sandy_locke | * | 16:37 |
| sandy_locke | But as I say all this I realize that I didn't make a single icon :P | 16:37 |
| sandy_locke | I've got time so I should work on it | 16:37 |
| sandy_locke | but I don't know what direction we're taking | 16:38 |
| sledges | we should prioritise tasks if we got time ;) | 16:38 |
| sandy_locke | yes | 16:38 |
| sledges | the main direction is not to reinvent the wheel | 16:38 |
| sandy_locke | ofc | 16:38 |
| sledges | i.e. we have SVGs ready from breeze, and we are happy with those | 16:38 |
| sandy_locke | but the ration I show you is quite old, and is used by lot of icon designers | 16:38 |
| sledges | Deformat's or your points are totally valid, but could work as an extra effort in a shape of downloadable icon packs | 16:38 |
| sandy_locke | *ration/ratio | 16:39 |
| sledges | is what qwazix agree on as well | 16:39 |
| sandy_locke | I agree, we should definitely focus on UI/UX right now | 16:39 |
| sledges | so im happy you have time ;) we are in need of apps mockups \o/ | 16:39 |
| sandy_locke | in that matter, I have a lot of ideas taken from the jailbreak community | 16:40 |
| sandy_locke | there are a lot of good stuff released recently | 16:40 |
| sandy_locke | very inspiring | 16:40 |
| sandy_locke | stock apps ? | 16:40 |
| sledges | yes | 16:40 |
| sandy_locke | what has been done recently ? | 16:41 |
| sledges | nothing :D | 16:41 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 16:41 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:41 |
| sledges | so you can pick your biggest itch and unwind :) | 16:41 |
| sandy_locke | that let a wide range of options to choose from :P | 16:41 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix and I were working on the mail app two months ago | 16:42 |
| sandy_locke | we mocked up a bit of it | 16:42 |
| sandy_locke | I'll check if it's in the git repo | 16:42 |
| sledges | ah yep i remember that | 16:42 |
| sledges | grog? | 16:42 |
| locusf | we still need basic components too :p | 16:42 |
| sledges | locusf: QMLised? | 16:43 |
| locusf | sledges: nope, specced as in graphics | 16:43 |
| locusf | at least the qt quick controls etc | 16:43 |
| sledges | locusf: you mean the ones which are not on this list: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier ? | 16:44 |
| locusf | sledges: yes | 16:44 |
| sandy_locke | as I can see in the status page, w need notifications, some rollers and list views ? | 16:45 |
| locusf | notifications are done in the master branch of the homescreen | 16:45 |
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| sandy_locke | locusf: where's the repo ? | 16:45 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home | 16:45 |
| locusf | youtube aint processing the video, sigh | 16:46 |
| sandy_locke | yes, I was waiting for this one ! ;) | 16:47 |
| sandy_locke | I was going to ask for mockups, but video is better :) | 16:47 |
| locusf | I can't make the video to process | 16:49 |
| locusf | so no video for today :p | 16:49 |
| sledges | dropbox? :) | 16:49 |
| locusf | ok | 16:50 |
| locusf | will do dropbox | 16:50 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: https://twitter.com/locusf/status/450317236453273600 | 16:50 |
| sandy_locke | nice :) | 16:52 |
| sandy_locke | we could maybe blur on opacify the notif bg maybe | 16:53 |
| sandy_locke | */on/or | 16:53 |
| locusf | I dunno how to blur :p | 16:53 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 16:53 |
| sledges | pre-blur | 16:53 |
| sandy_locke | what happens if there are more than 1 notif ? | 16:53 |
| sledges | but i was thinking of sliding glass as lockscreen | 16:53 |
| locusf | the other waits and then displays after the first one is dismissed | 16:54 |
| locusf | no stacking at the moment | 16:54 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:54 |
| sandy_locke | is there a count ? to know that one is waiting besides ? | 16:54 |
| sandy_locke | you know, we could stack them like sheets (as seen in webos for phones) | 16:55 |
| sledges | and status bar positioning is undefined | 16:55 |
| sledges | goput.it/65o.jpg | 16:55 |
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| sledges | http://goput.it/65o.jpg | 16:55 |
| sledges | hence we need homescreen specs ;) | 16:55 |
| sandy_locke | mmh, yes | 16:55 |
| sledges | qwazix with venemo had some nifty homescreen in mind, but i think that went under the carpet now.. | 16:56 |
| sandy_locke | why ? | 16:56 |
| sledges | they're not around simply | 16:56 |
| sledges | so we got hints from Hurrian's mockup as you see | 16:56 |
| sledges | but need someone to put the pieces together under a spec | 16:57 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 16:57 |
| sandy_locke | would be good to get in touch with qwazix to see what he had in mind | 16:57 |
| sandy_locke | I see his blog has a lot of new articles since last time I checked | 16:58 |
| sandy_locke | I'll see what I can do to make him come back | 17:00 |
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| sledges | kick a$$ :)) | 17:01 |
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| locusf | https://www.dropbox.com/s/j902v1xj4l0qasn/20140405_185944.mp4 | 17:07 |
| locusf | finally the video | 17:07 |
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| sandy_locke | locusf: your video won't play :/ | 17:09 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: really? | 17:09 |
| sandy_locke | error in vlc | 17:09 |
| sandy_locke | is it completely uploaded ? | 17:10 |
| sledges | must be why youtube no can do too | 17:10 |
| sandy_locke | could be yes | 17:10 |
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| locusf | hurr | 17:11 |
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| locusf | well no matter, its very badly out of focus | 17:13 |
| locusf | reuploaded | 17:13 |
| sandy_locke | I'll make a blog post for the mail app mockup | 17:14 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: link? | 17:14 |
| sandy_locke | same ? | 17:14 |
| locusf | yeah same | 17:14 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: great! | 17:14 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: :) | 17:16 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: what's this app with blue icon ? | 17:16 |
| sandy_locke | what are the controls in it ? | 17:16 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: screenshot app | 17:16 |
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| sandy_locke | locusf: those are our controls ? | 17:17 |
| sandy_locke | slider and all ? | 17:17 |
| sledges | locusf: yay looks neat :) | 17:17 |
| sandy_locke | yes ! | 17:17 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: it's on jolla | 17:17 |
| sledges | :) | 17:17 |
| locusf | sledges: nope its Silica all over | 17:17 |
| sandy_locke | I like it a lot | 17:17 |
| sledges | and jolla's app | 17:17 |
| sandy_locke | pppff | 17:17 |
| sledges | yup, sf/silica | 17:17 |
| sandy_locke | and fall for it | 17:17 |
| sandy_locke | :P | 17:18 |
| sledges | :)) | 17:18 |
| sandy_locke | but with the blur the slider look like our trumpet one | 17:18 |
| locusf | I hate filming with one hand and demoing on the other :D | 17:19 |
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| sandy_locke | yeah it's hard to do | 17:19 |
| sandy_locke | you should stuck the recorder on sth | 17:20 |
| locusf | I don't have anything :p | 17:20 |
| sandy_locke | but fyi I like our stuffs too ;) | 17:20 |
| qwazix | o/ | 17:20 |
| sandy_locke | the progress indicator on the icons is nice | 17:20 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: \o | 17:20 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, you're back | 17:20 |
| sledges | qwazix: wb :) | 17:21 |
| locusf | hey qwazix | 17:21 |
| qwazix | sledges, sandy_locke hi, sorry for long absence I've been extremely busy | 17:21 |
| sandy_locke | I was too but I've got some time now | 17:22 |
| sledges | good you're back when we are back as well :) | 17:22 |
| qwazix | 16h/day-@work-incl.-weekends busy | 17:22 |
| sandy_locke | at least you can eat, enjoy ;) | 17:23 |
| sandy_locke | so we want to discuss homescreen specs | 17:23 |
| qwazix | yeah, I have been doing that, | 17:23 |
| sandy_locke | there's a legend told by sledges that you and another guy worked on it | 17:23 |
| sandy_locke | ah, so let's sauce some mockups please ;) | 17:23 |
| sledges | mmm i wasn't dreaming it seems :) | 17:23 |
| qwazix | more than I should, frankly | 17:23 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: ;) | 17:24 |
| sandy_locke | btw qwazix I plan on making a blog post about our mail app mockup | 17:24 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, I haven't done no mockups but I can describe it in a few words | 17:24 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, go ahead | 17:24 |
| sandy_locke | shout | 17:24 |
| qwazix | In fact, since parting with my N9 as a daily phone I'm even more certain that this is a very nice solution, even if it's not too revolutionary | 17:25 |
| qwazix | Anyway the idea is to keep the 3 panes of harmattan/current nemo as is | 17:26 |
| sandy_locke | so locusf : we can launch sailfish apps now or is it recompiled by keeping the UI comps ? | 17:26 |
| qwazix | It is very intuitive, easy to learn and looks good | 17:26 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 17:26 |
| qwazix | on the app grid however | 17:26 |
| qwazix | we will introduce qml widgets | 17:26 |
| sandy_locke | mmmh, like the sound of it ;) | 17:26 |
| qwazix | widgets should be in specific sizes so that they can arrange nicely when you rotate the phone to landscape | 17:27 |
| qwazix | widgets are not resizable by the user | 17:28 |
| qwazix | another change from harmattan is that the application thumbnails can be pinned to certain positions | 17:28 |
| qwazix | we should discuss if that should mean they also autostart when phone boots | 17:29 |
| sandy_locke | are they app specific widgets or android's like widgets ? | 17:30 |
| qwazix | This way, we still have the awesome events screen for list based things (twitter updates, rss etc.) | 17:30 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: yeah sailfish apps work too | 17:30 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: and our components apps | 17:30 |
| qwazix | and glance-and-go info like current stock market price or weather and stuff | 17:30 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: simply awesome :D | 17:30 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, both | 17:30 |
| qwazix | an app might have an accompanying widget, or even just be a widget | 17:31 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: I like it, we should spec it | 17:31 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: "and our components apps" > what'd that mean ? | 17:32 |
| qwazix | widgets can be shortcut to the app or have functionality of it's own | 17:32 |
| sledges | i like it because it's least intrusive (i.e. we already have most big parts done) | 17:32 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: the future apps based on our components | 17:32 |
| sledges | qwazix: but what about status bar and notifications behaviour ? | 17:32 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: meaning if apps already can make use of our comps ? | 17:33 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: yeah | 17:33 |
| sandy_locke | */if/no if, mistake | 17:33 |
| sandy_locke | so you've worked a lot compared to us ! | 17:34 |
| qwazix | sledges, IIRC we were pondering about having a permanent status bar at the bottom, so one can peek through easily | 17:34 |
| sledges | yes | 17:34 |
| qwazix | my initial idea was to not have a status bar at all, and just have default widgets for those things | 17:35 |
| qwazix | but that's not easily peeked at | 17:35 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: but we can imagine that sb's space can be use for other things in notif and multitask view, no ? | 17:35 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, it depends on where a swipe away goes | 17:35 |
| sandy_locke | sb can be only in main home screen | 17:35 |
| qwazix | if it goes to the last visible screen like harmattan (which I like) then we need to have the bar permanently on all three screens | 17:36 |
| sandy_locke | so that we keep each things separated | 17:36 |
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| sandy_locke | ^ what's that like harmattan ? | 17:36 |
| qwazix | swiping away from an app goes to the homescreen, on the page you previously were | 17:37 |
| sandy_locke | mmh ok | 17:37 |
| sandy_locke | you're right then | 17:37 |
| qwazix | another idea is to show the bottom statusbar only when peeking | 17:37 |
| sandy_locke | we should keep this behaviour | 17:37 |
| sandy_locke | like the quick launch in harmattan ? | 17:38 |
| qwazix | not exactly | 17:38 |
| sandy_locke | it would not stick then ? | 17:38 |
| qwazix | I'm thinking that it can show while swiping, and go away when you lift your finger | 17:39 |
| sandy_locke | but if user want interaction ? | 17:39 |
| qwazix | and keep some informational widgets at the top of the app grid | 17:39 |
| sandy_locke | since we proposed widget like specs for sb | 17:40 |
| locusf | there already is a toolbar fixed to the top of the homescreen | 17:40 |
| qwazix | locusf, is that set in stone? | 17:40 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: toolbar = statusbar ? | 17:40 |
| locusf | qwazix: probably not | 17:41 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: yeah | 17:41 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: is this toolbar interactive ? | 17:41 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: no | 17:41 |
| sandy_locke | cause we need interactivity for the statusbar as per our specs | 17:41 |
| qwazix | I say let's keep the idea of the fixed bottom status bar for now, not make things too complicated | 17:43 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: could you create a quick mockup of the multitask switcher ? | 17:43 |
| sandy_locke | so we can work on it ? | 17:43 |
| sandy_locke | *further | 17:43 |
| qwazix | that doesn't change much, I don't think it's in desperate need of a mockup. I can do that though | 17:44 |
| sandy_locke | we need to know how widgets should appear, no ? | 17:44 |
| qwazix | that's the app grid | 17:45 |
| sandy_locke | and how to interact with them | 17:45 |
| qwazix | and yeah, we need a mockup there | 17:45 |
| sandy_locke | it need specs eventually | 17:45 |
| qwazix | I'll do one tomorrow | 17:45 |
| sandy_locke | ok thx | 17:45 |
| qwazix | the multitasking screen stays the same | 17:45 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 17:45 |
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| qwazix | except that when you long tap an app, we also have a pin icon like the X icon but on the left corner | 17:46 |
| sandy_locke | we could actualize it a little, make it more "modern" | 17:46 |
| sledges | i suggest we mockup how notifications work when user is working in an app | 17:46 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, yeah, we can allow covers and actions on the apps but let's keep a lower priority on that, because it will complicate app development | 17:46 |
| qwazix | sledges, isn't that already mocked up by Hurrian? | 17:47 |
| sledges | ok | 17:47 |
| sledges | not apecced though | 17:47 |
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| qwazix | sledges, http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=640 | 17:47 |
| sandy_locke | yes you're right, but I meant for the look of the cards, their actual graphic design | 17:47 |
| sledges | ie should the app 'wave' shrink at the bottom etc | 17:47 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix: like square/rounded corners, shadow/no shadow, app icon near the card etc... | 17:49 |
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| sandy_locke | I could see a slider at the bottom or vertical edge to change card size and see more cards in the same view | 17:49 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, if you have a nice idea why not, icon is not a bad one | 17:49 |
| sledges | qwazix: could we have that post landing into github specs form? | 17:49 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, size of the cards can be controlled with pinch, like harmattan | 17:50 |
| qwazix | no slider needed for that | 17:50 |
| sandy_locke | we can do that in harmattan ? I never tried ^^ | 17:50 |
| qwazix | sledges, okay | 17:50 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, it's the nicest effect, try it | 17:50 |
| sandy_locke | pinch is good then | 17:50 |
| qwazix | cards shuffle around and change size | 17:50 |
| sandy_locke | I'll try it yeah ! | 17:50 |
| sandy_locke | funny I didn't ever try that | 17:51 |
| sandy_locke | ok then I'll mockup card appearance and try to keep it simple | 17:51 |
| qwazix | yep | 17:51 |
| sledges | fantastic qwazix , in this way locusf can polish his qml implementation according to those specs, also glue a status bar permanently, - and we will have a usable homescreen already, meanwhile things like widgets are lower priority imho | 17:51 |
| qwazix | sledges, yep they are, but as the homescreen is qml anyway, loading a qml file from a directory is quite easy | 17:52 |
| qwazix | we can designate a folder where apps can put their widgets and load them dynamically. The hard part is the arrangement, because it's no more a fixed grid | 17:54 |
| sledges | yet we don't have defined the shape/form/size/behaviour of a container we'll load that qml into | 17:54 |
| sledges | which is where the spec/mockup will come in | 17:54 |
| qwazix | yep | 17:54 |
| qwazix | I'll have some time tomorrow so hopefully I will be able to complete both the app grid spec and the notification spec. | 17:55 |
| sledges | \o/ | 17:55 |
| locusf | \o/ | 17:56 |
| qwazix | Now I got to go, family dinner. See you all tomorrow. | 17:56 |
| sledges | locusf: what does it take for you to tame the current non-interactive top-locked sb into submission? | 17:56 |
| sandy_locke | nice, I will focus on the mail app blog post and MT appearance then | 17:56 |
| sledges | "are you hungry? no. ok, then i'll cook something" :D laters qwazix ! | 17:56 |
| locusf | sledges: I dunno yet | 17:56 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, okay | 17:57 |
| qwazix | o/ | 17:57 |
| sandy_locke | later qwazix | 17:57 |
| sledges | locusf: faenil's header? ;D | 17:57 |
| locusf | sledges: lol probably yeah :D | 17:57 |
| sandy_locke | I'll make myself some food too, it's time if I want to be on time for the night movie :P | 17:58 |
| sledges | ;) good point | 17:58 |
| * sledges goes to bake liver and bacon :)) | 17:58 | |
| sandy_locke | I'll keep an eye on the chan though ;) | 17:58 |
| sledges | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK0lUPsZvXA | 17:58 |
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| faenil | xD | 18:06 |
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| vakkov_2 | so apparently 4.3 is not compatible with the hybris bionic patch. I guess 4.2 will work - somebody please confirm that bcause that source tree is huuuge | 18:17 |
| vakkov_2 | anybody? | 18:41 |
| vakkov_2 | or i should use cyanogenmod? | 18:42 |
| tbr | I think there are patches for 4.4 floating around by ubuntu/canonical | 18:42 |
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| vakkov_2 | then there should be some for 4.3? i just don't have space and a decent connection to download 4.2 source right now. | 18:46 |
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| faenil | anyone awake? :) | 23:36 |
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