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| DocScrutinizer05 | qwazix: thanks. I honestly wonder who made designers believe the user most urgently wants to see the *call history* when opening "the phone" | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *I* regularly want to *call* | 03:14 |
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| M4rtinK | well, it might show it if there was a missed call | 03:19 |
| M4rtinK | but showing it every time might not be good | 03:20 |
| M4rtinK | well, you could use it to call frequently called numbers | 03:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | m4rtink: calling frequently used numbers is best done via contacts or via shortcut on desktop (if you have something like a desktop ;-P) | 06:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | redialing is best done via the actual dialer by pressing the "green" button without entering a number, which should pop up the history of outbound calls with most recent call highlighted so a second hit on green button would redial last dialed number | 06:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you pick an older entry via clicking on it, or select it by scrolling down by whatever UI means the GUI provides, like joystick, volume rocker, orientation gesture, whatever. Then select the highlighted entry as usual by pressing green button | 06:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ideally such input means like volume rocker also open the call history when done on empty number input field, just like green button | 06:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | number input in dialer also should start a search of number as well as all possible T9 ascii representations of your input in call history and contacts, and present the aggregated search results under the actual number input field, so you can select one of the found entries | 06:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so when I want to call robert stallman, I type "7pqrs", "6mno", "2abc" on the numeric pad, then tap on "robert stallman: 001-800-9876543" entry in the list under the number input field that has "762" at that moment | 06:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | a day later I could as well type "9", "8", "7" to the number input field and the search would find "robert stallman: 001-800->>_9_8_7_<<6543" from outbound call history as well as contacts for me and show it in the list under the input field | 07:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oooh, and of course there shuld be a speed-dial behind each of the 10 digit keys, either via long-press or via entering just one digit as "number" and then pressing green button | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | assuming there never is a valid real phone number consisting of only one digit | 07:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (re "frequently called numbers") | 07:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | for dialing SIM phonebook entries there's a de facto standard that's somewhat extended speed dial: for the entries 01 .. 99 of SIM phonebook you enter <nn>"#" and then green button | 07:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | assuming that "nn#" with n=[0..9] never is any valid SSC or USSD | 07:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | #nn#, *nn# and *#nn# would be valid SSC | 07:14 |
| coderus | merlin1991: seems so | 07:15 |
| coderus | n950-plymouth-start-update.service loading failed | 07:15 |
| coderus | and i dont see any splashscreens while loading :D | 07:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | technical sidenote: start fulltext search of T9-ASCII-equivalent and number-substrings in contacts and call history only after at least 2 chars/digits enetered to number input field. Don't include results form any of the sub-domians (contacts, history...) until the results from that subdomain are <threshold (maybe 20, maybe 5). Consider sorting order of results according to most-recently-used instead of ascii-sorting or whatever | 07:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | threshold and sorting order details shall be user-configurable in "settings" | 07:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | delay start of above mentioned search after entering of second digit for 1s, to allow user maybe entering a 3rd digit thus obsoleting the heavy search on 2 significant chars only. With 3 chars serchstring the search is significantly less heavy and result count much lower, and thus a delay of search start isn't needed after 3rd char entry | 07:37 |
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| niqt | morning | 07:42 |
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| sandy_locke | o/ | 11:43 |
| sandy_locke | if someone aware of Jolla development read this | 11:43 |
| Stskeeps | mm? | 11:44 |
| sandy_locke | I need to know the place where I can follow card/caldav development for the Jolla phone | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | probably mkcal and kcalcore | 11:44 |
| sandy_locke | hi Stskeeps :) | 11:44 |
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| sandy_locke | those are/will be embeded into Sailfish ? | 11:45 |
| Aard | sandy_locke: caldav will come first, carddav later | 11:45 |
| Aard | sandy_locke: will happen as buteo plugins | 11:45 |
| sandy_locke | mmmh, it's always like that :P | 11:46 |
| sandy_locke | I would have prefered carddav first ;) | 11:46 |
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| sandy_locke | Aard: and it will be embeded into the OS or will I need to install the plugin ? | 11:46 |
| Aard | sandy_locke: it will be an plugin, but it'll be easy to install. | 11:47 |
| Aard | sandy_locke: all opensource, so if you help us hacking a carddav plugin it'll be there earlier :p | 11:47 |
| sandy_locke | ok, thanks | 11:47 |
| sandy_locke | well, I'd love to, but I may not be up to the task ;) | 11:47 |
| sandy_locke | I'm just learning Qt development | 11:48 |
| sandy_locke | btw Aard, where can I follow this buteo plugin development ? | 11:48 |
| sandy_locke | a github repo or sth ? | 11:49 |
| Aard | it'll go in here soon https://github.com/nemomobile/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav | 11:49 |
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| sandy_locke | thx Aard | 11:50 |
| sandy_locke | btw, is there not sth to do with syncevolution sources to hack a carddav plugin, Aard ? | 11:51 |
| Aard | we're not using syncevolution | 11:51 |
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| istoh | Aard: Any estimate on the calDav schedule? | 11:52 |
| istoh | The Git is basically empty for now... | 11:53 |
| Aard | q1/2014 | 11:53 |
| Aard | we currently have the stuff in https://github.com/maninc/buteo-sync-plugin-caldav -- but we'll merge it soon | 11:54 |
| istoh | Thanks, I was scared it would be longer thant that... | 11:54 |
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| sandy_locke | Aard: istoh : As I see from the sources in the last link above, caldav plugin is almost finished, no ? | 12:01 |
| Aard | sandy_locke: yes | 12:01 |
| sandy_locke | at least, all the basics are here | 12:01 |
| sandy_locke | that's good | 12:02 |
| sandy_locke | hope to have gained more skills to help for carddav plugin next year | 12:03 |
| sandy_locke | it's basically the only thing that prevents me to go for a Jolla right now | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aard: since you are around: is a SIP client planned to get integrated into the stock dialer? or - duh - is it already there and I missed it? | 12:04 |
| Aard | DocScrutinizer05: yes. and the sip dialer is already integrated, but not yet hooked up to accounts -> so you don't see it ;) | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, thought as much | 12:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | couldn't think of you guys missing out on it ;-) | 12:05 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Aard: if you're maybe interested to get some suggestions for dialer_version++: my thoughts as of http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/latest.log.html#t2013-12-20T03:13:43 and http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/latest.log.html#t2013-12-20T06:48:17 ff are CC-BY-CA and consideration much appreciated | 12:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though of course I'd prefer to see them getting used in a FOSS implementation | 12:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | umm, maybe that's been to onscure >>...input field that has "762" at that moment<< "762" = "ROB" T9 | 12:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | "7pqRs", "6mnO", "2aBc" | 12:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | so typing "762" finds me "ROBert stallman" among other entries | 12:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could also find "SMAck" | 12:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and "the_RMA_l-bath" | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fulltext search on all fields. Maybe make the fields to search configurable | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | via settings | 12:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, and don't forget translitterations like "ue" for "ü" etc | 12:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or simply treat "ü"="u" | 12:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I think that's what T9 does | 12:25 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 sighs at microSIM. No way this 12 years old SIM gets cut up and destroyed (at least not before it got cloned) | 12:34 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aard: what does the mechanical switch operated by TOH notch? | 12:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Aard: is it the SIM card-detect switch? | 12:35 |
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| coderus | is there are sudo for nemo or smth? | 13:21 |
| coderus | i'm tired to login as root everytime i want to install package | 13:21 |
| sledges | mer provides su only (i think it's thanks to some POSIX and/or a set of licences its closely following) | 13:22 |
| sledges | haven't heard anyone setting up sudo | 13:22 |
| coderus | sigh | 13:23 |
| sledges | coderus: happy days: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=sudo&project=mer-tools%3Atesting | 13:24 |
| sledges | (stick to :devel: as per the rest of your environment: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=sudo&project=mer-tools%3Adevel ) | 13:25 |
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| sledges | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyMH269pdEU | 14:05 |
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| amonk | looks to me like nemo and sailfish both need their own partitions, but the "instructions" I find have each using a single Alt_OS partition (/dev/mmcblk0p4). Further, it looks like initrd-moslo usually does automagic Alt_OS repartitioning. Any pointers on how to manually create a *p4 and *p5 to multi-boot these OSs? Is it just parted shrink *p3 and then create them? And how much space does nemo need? TIA | 14:37 |
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| amonk | FYI... I have a 64GB Nokia N9. | 14:38 |
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| sandy_locke | amonk: I don't think it's possible to boot into a 5th partition | 15:21 |
| sandy_locke | only 4 primary partitions can be created | 15:21 |
| sandy_locke | and you can't boot an extended partition AFAIK | 15:22 |
| sandy_locke | but I can be wrong | 15:22 |
| sandy_locke | the workaround would be to put nemo or sailfish in a folder in ROOT partition like Nitdroid at the moment | 15:23 |
| sandy_locke | but I don't know any article that describe this kind of process | 15:23 |
| sandy_locke | you could try, following nitdroid installation and adjusting for nemo or sailfish | 15:24 |
| sandy_locke | and then post any successful attempt somewhere, describing how you did it | 15:24 |
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| amonk | Well, ubiboot "instructions" indicate one can install them both, along with the nitdroid/firefoxos subdir installs, but I am seeing this conflict, all the same. Unfortunately, the available docs are more fragmented and shitty than usual. :-/ I'm working on it anyway though, because I want both nemo and sailfish on it. :) | 15:36 |
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| sledges | amonk: which partition to boot from, is written in kernel command line arguments | 15:43 |
| sledges | like root=/dev/mmcblk0p4 | 15:43 |
| sledges | for nemo kernel | 15:43 |
| sledges | you should be able to find those in ubiboot.conf | 15:44 |
| sledges | i see no reason why booting from extended partition would fail (worth a try that is :)) | 15:44 |
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| amonk | sounds good. where exactly is the repartitioning done in nemo? i'd like a look at it first. thanks. | 15:55 |
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| coderus | sandy_locke: extended partition tables support in kernel was added for harmattan and ubiboot kernel. you can use as many partitions as want. | 16:10 |
| sledges | amonk: repartitioning is done via parted, in autopartition.sh in MOSLO | 16:19 |
| amonk | sweet. Thanks y'all. should be a near no brainer then. what are recommended partition sizes for nemo (min and comfortable)? | 16:20 |
| sledges | wayland nemo is quite small now, top 700M pre-installed | 16:22 |
| sledges | you can leave another 500M for settings | 16:22 |
| sledges | screenshots, music test files + whatever you want to flex nemo's muscle in | 16:23 |
| sledges | i remember some PNGs are also cached for better performances | 16:23 |
| sledges | in long term 2GB should be comfortable | 16:23 |
| amonk | thanks. any clue on sailfish's storage needs, or do I need to, uh, go fish on that one? lol | 16:25 |
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| vakkov_ | Somebody pleeeease tell me how to download n900-kernel-adaptation to build it. | 16:44 |
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| sledges | amonk: ask in #nemomobile-porters | 16:59 |
| amonk | already asked in #nemomobile and got one null answer (lol). will repost in #nemomobile-porters. Thanks. | 17:02 |
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| amonk | oops. mean #sailfishos, not #nemomobile. sry | 17:04 |
| sledges | but yea, doesn't take much to untar and check the size amonk ;O | 17:04 |
| sledges | s/;O/;P/ | 17:04 |
| amonk | sledges: sure, but i'm so interested in that. that's insignificant. I'm interest in how much room is necessary for comfortable growth thereafter. | 17:05 |
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| amonk | not so interested. oops. | 17:06 |
| sledges | amonk: few people know that, as sailfish is out in the wild since recently | 17:06 |
| sledges | and Nemo is a WIP playground | 17:06 |
| sledges | so solely depends on your personal intended use | 17:06 |
| amonk | yup, i'm looking for one of the few. :) | 17:06 |
| sledges | as mentioned in nemo, should be similar to sailfish, settings and cache - will slowly grow over time, and slowdown after some; can't quantify, trial and error needed | 17:07 |
| amonk | yup, always depends, but that's what "recommendations" are for, starting points, targets, rules of thumb, blah, blah. :) | 17:07 |
| amonk | okay, just hoping to get what's known as a start. call me unreasonable. lol | 17:09 |
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