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coderus | valdur55: lol :D | 03:02 |
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stephg | owwwwwwwwww | 09:32 |
Stskeeps | what'd you blow up | 09:33 |
stephg | my head, xmas party last night | 09:33 |
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sandy_locke | qwazix: I just found something odd in header's specs... | 11:45 |
sandy_locke | header's dimensions are 240u x 75u | 11:45 |
sandy_locke | which gives really too much height^^ | 11:45 |
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sandy_locke | if you give those dimensions in pixel for instance, and then lock the proportions and adjust to 480px width, height becomes 150px | 11:47 |
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sandy_locke | which does not seem right | 11:47 |
sandy_locke | I must have missed something I assume... | 11:47 |
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sandy_locke | qwazix: just ping me when you see those^ | 11:48 |
smokex | the stock background images certainly aren't that size | 11:51 |
wazd | heya people | 11:54 |
smokex | o/ | 11:55 |
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sandy_locke | o/ | 12:05 |
sandy_locke | smokex: what stock bg images ? | 12:05 |
wazd | sandy_locke: heya | 12:05 |
sandy_locke | wazd: how are you? long time no see :) | 12:06 |
smokex | the flower | 12:06 |
smokex | whatever is in the splash screen folder | 12:07 |
wazd | sandy_locke: I've decided not to mess with Glacier, since you've already done quite a big deal of things and now I'm working on crystalizing my concept into full featured UI | 12:08 |
sandy_locke | so you're making a theme then ? | 12:08 |
wazd | sandy_locke: whole new concept | 12:09 |
sandy_locke | so with API mockups and all ? | 12:09 |
wazd | sandy_locke: I hope so | 12:09 |
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sandy_locke | nice :) | 12:10 |
sandy_locke | you have some mockups to show ? | 12:10 |
wazd | sandy_locke: not yet, but now I have a pretty solid vision of the visual styling to guide all things :) I hope to render some descriptive video somewhen in january. Now I'm "adjusting" the looks with some minor art, like: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Nemo/Logo/wallpaper_WIP_1.jpg | 12:13 |
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sandy_locke | ok, that's a nice icon and bg btw | 12:14 |
sandy_locke | it's a pretty big deal, you may take some time to finish this project^^ | 12:15 |
wazd | sandy_locke: I'm used to these things, when I will have sharp vision in my head, then everything else will pop up like a popcorn :D | 12:16 |
wazd | happens every time :) | 12:16 |
sandy_locke | yeah, but if you're going to make a full fledged new UI, and want it to be implemented someday, you'll need solid specs & api definitions | 12:17 |
sandy_locke | along with adjusting with what can be done and what cannot | 12:18 |
sandy_locke | implementation wise | 12:18 |
wazd | sandy_locke: yeah, that's why it's so crucial to design "skeleton" really well | 12:18 |
sandy_locke | yup, pixel perfect as they say :P | 12:18 |
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wazd | sandy_locke: well, sorta kinda :D | 12:21 |
wazd | sandy_locke: more like "logically perfect" :D | 12:21 |
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sandy_locke | ;) | 12:22 |
sandy_locke | still, takes some time though | 12:22 |
wazd | yeah, but I hope it will wirth it :) | 12:23 |
wazd | worth* | 12:24 |
smokex | I made a small collection of nemo/sailfish wallpapers based on the old C7/N9/50 stuff | 12:25 |
smokex | not sure if those were copyrighted or not | 12:25 |
wazd | well, n9 had some copyrighted photos | 12:29 |
wazd | or not, I guess it was n900's art | 12:30 |
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smokex | anything that was in the N9 release should belong to mer iiuc because of the foundation? | 12:48 |
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Aard | win 142 | 12:52 |
Stskeeps | smokex: what? | 12:53 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:53 |
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smokex | ok maybe not lol | 12:58 |
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Stskeeps | noo | 12:58 |
Stskeeps | :P | 12:58 |
Stskeeps | no legal relationship between mer and nokia | 12:58 |
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sandy_locke | Hurrian, qwazix : So I made a first draft of the mail app ==> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ym94zl00fo6usop/mail_main_view_mockup.png | 14:13 |
sandy_locke | need insight to see if I'm in the right direction | 14:13 |
sandy_locke | I'll continue with the different views | 14:13 |
Hurrian | sandy_locke: it shouldn't be transparent | 14:13 |
sandy_locke | Hurrian: why not ? | 14:14 |
sandy_locke | it's a stock app | 14:14 |
Hurrian | displaying the wallpaper's only done for the home screen | 14:15 |
Hurrian | apps in general are black, and only peek through when there's a notification or the user swipes them away | 14:15 |
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sandy_locke | ok | 14:16 |
Hurrian | also, the view is very confusing for me - is that a threaded conversation with many recipients, or a date-sorted view? | 14:16 |
sandy_locke | so app's background should be completely black or dark grey ? | 14:16 |
Hurrian | sandy_locke: yep, completely black or dark grey | 14:16 |
sandy_locke | no no, it's just a date sorted view | 14:17 |
Hurrian | dark grey for highlighted items | 14:17 |
sandy_locke | it's the main view of the mail app as thought by qwazix and myself | 14:17 |
sandy_locke | ok | 14:17 |
Hurrian | there is way too much empty space between mails. | 14:17 |
sandy_locke | Frankly, I think it's for the better | 14:18 |
Hurrian | the font is also too small - resize this to the N9/50's screen dimensions and it's miniscule. | 14:18 |
sandy_locke | narrowing space between conversations may clutter the screen very much | 14:18 |
Hurrian | given, but i'd prefer that spacing between items happen inside the box the text is enclosed in | 14:19 |
sandy_locke | it's actually a mockup with width and height of the N9 | 14:19 |
Hurrian | If you look at the N9's Messages app, that is a very sane and safe way to do things. | 14:20 |
sandy_locke | so what px should I not go under ? | 14:20 |
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Hurrian | Around 12-14. | 14:21 |
sandy_locke | ok | 14:21 |
Hurrian | Decorative small text is nice, but not when I have to scroll around a list, scanning for relevant stuff. | 14:21 |
sandy_locke | ok right | 14:22 |
sandy_locke | so you also think I should add one conversation top and bottom ? | 14:22 |
Hurrian | Top and bottom? | 14:22 |
sandy_locke | to narrow the space between them ? | 14:22 |
sandy_locke | a conversation in past events, and one in recent events | 14:23 |
sandy_locke | */past/old | 14:23 |
Hurrian | I'd say that the screen should be occupied by 6.5 conversations. | 14:23 |
sandy_locke | ok, I see | 14:23 |
Hurrian | The conversation items taper off too long, by the way. | 14:24 |
sandy_locke | what do you mean ? | 14:24 |
Hurrian | They should fade away in around only ~25-50px. | 14:24 |
Hurrian | The gradient is too long. | 14:24 |
Hurrian | It's alright to have most things at full opacity, as long as the item of interest is highlighted (when selected) | 14:25 |
sandy_locke | so no fading for the items ? | 14:25 |
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sandy_locke | or should I lower the opacity of top and bottom most conversations ? | 14:26 |
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Hurrian | Just the top and bottom-most. | 14:27 |
sandy_locke | ok | 14:27 |
sandy_locke | I'll do that then | 14:28 |
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sandy_locke | thx Hurrian :) | 14:28 |
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Hurrian | http://goput.it/dfr.jpg | 14:41 |
Hurrian | sandy_locke: something I made really quick | 14:41 |
sandy_locke | yeah that's nice, but I wanted to get out of the legacy harmattan style | 14:43 |
sandy_locke | and also the old concept that mails should look like atom feeds | 14:43 |
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Hurrian | each conversation should be a thread, couldn't find the motivation to change the names though | 14:46 |
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Hurrian | i don't know about others, but I don't particularly like distracting chrome from a UI | 14:46 |
sandy_locke | it's not so distracted | 14:47 |
sandy_locke | we have some kind of bulleted lists | 14:47 |
sandy_locke | and conversations treated the same as the messaging app | 14:47 |
sandy_locke | I was also planning on adding a header toolbar on swipe as specced in the repo | 14:48 |
sandy_locke | Hurrian: look with adjusted stuffs : https://www.dropbox.com/s/ym94zl00fo6usop/mail_main_view_mockup.png | 14:54 |
sandy_locke | it's not so distracted from the rest of the UI | 14:54 |
sandy_locke | (not all is adjusted) | 14:55 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | does nemo dialer work under sailfish? | 14:55 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | incl "dial a friend" | 14:56 |
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DocScrutinizer05 | a glance at that jolla device makes me think the stock dialer is unbearable crap | 14:56 |
DocScrutinizer05 | and AIUI the sourcecode isn't and never will be available for dialer (among others) | 14:58 |
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sandy_locke | it's me ^ | 16:24 |
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coderus | where to add paths to global PATH env? | 19:17 |
coderus | btw, what is n950-plymouth-start-update.service for? | 19:24 |
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merlin1991 | iirc plymouth does splash screens | 19:55 |
merlin1991 | (on bootup) | 19:55 |
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stephg_ | evening | 20:11 |
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qwazix | sandy_locke, the width is wrong in the header, no the height | 20:14 |
qwazix | should be 480u | 20:14 |
qwazix | DocScrutinizer05, nemo dialer should probably work on Jolla, if you add the right repos | 20:15 |
sandy_locke | yes, but if height is 75px, it's really huge! | 20:15 |
sandy_locke | so qwazix, how do you like the mockup? https://www.dropbox.com/s/ym94zl00fo6usop/mail_main_view_mockup.png | 20:16 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, I'll come to the mockup too. What header spec are you looking at? | 20:16 |
qwazix | latest is https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/header/header.pdf and height is 50 | 20:16 |
qwazix | plus 15u gradient | 20:17 |
sandy_locke | yeah, I was talking about the svg file | 20:17 |
sandy_locke | for the mockup I used specs from the PDF since they seemed right | 20:17 |
qwazix | which one? | 20:17 |
qwazix | svg | 20:18 |
qwazix | ah yeah, the png is wrong | 20:18 |
sandy_locke | yeah png sorry | 20:19 |
qwazix | yeah, I forgot to export that when I fixed it | 20:19 |
sandy_locke | np I figured there was an error so I used the ones in the pdf | 20:19 |
qwazix | about the mail app, I agree with Hurrian, there's too much chrome | 20:20 |
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qwazix | if we lose the border of the circles, make the line darker and maybe even lose the bubbles... | 20:20 |
qwazix | just a line with an arrow that fades quickly to the right is enough | 20:21 |
qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/rect2985.png | 20:22 |
qwazix | something like this | 20:22 |
sandy_locke | so pure minimalism ? | 20:23 |
qwazix | more getting in line with the rest of glacier I'd say | 20:23 |
sandy_locke | the bubbles are a bit like the one in the messenging app (not quite but almost) | 20:24 |
qwazix | you are right, we can still keep the background color, but we've since gone darker than Hurrian's original mockup | 20:25 |
qwazix | if we lessen the contrast it might look good | 20:26 |
qwazix | I'd also like the possibility of having more than one face, for conversations with many people, don't know how this can be done | 20:27 |
sandy_locke | I see how it can be done | 20:27 |
sandy_locke | reload the link above, and tell me if you prefer this for the messages, the blue one | 20:28 |
qwazix | and we could also play with the spacing, not go time-proportionate, but have slightly longer space for longer times of inactivity (that might not look very nice, but we can try) | 20:28 |
sandy_locke | mmmh, I don't know about the spacing, already when I was mocking up, it was strange when conversations did not have the same spacing | 20:29 |
qwazix | it's too thick | 20:29 |
qwazix | we can lose it altogether | 20:30 |
qwazix | it's obvious which conversation is which dot | 20:30 |
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sandy_locke | ok, but if you reload I've lightened the thing | 20:30 |
sandy_locke | I'll test w/o | 20:31 |
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qwazix | the light one is better, but try w/o too | 20:31 |
sandy_locke | reload | 20:33 |
sandy_locke | w/o | 20:33 |
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qwazix | try centering the bigger avatar on the axis of the centers of the others also, even if it might go over the contact name | 20:33 |
qwazix | now it's like the beginning (blue bubble) | 20:33 |
sandy_locke | done | 20:34 |
sandy_locke | ah | 20:34 |
sandy_locke | wait | 20:34 |
sandy_locke | sorry | 20:34 |
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sandy_locke | you can reload now | 20:34 |
qwazix | hmm... | 20:35 |
qwazix | now the vertical lines look wrong :P | 20:35 |
sandy_locke | yup, seems misplaced with all the colors | 20:36 |
qwazix | is this an svg? | 20:36 |
sandy_locke | no it's png | 20:36 |
sandy_locke | I can upload an svg if you need | 20:36 |
qwazix | I mean the one you are working on | 20:36 |
sandy_locke | yes ofc | 20:37 |
sandy_locke | sorry, misunderstood | 20:37 |
qwazix | can I play with it a bit? | 20:37 |
sandy_locke | https://www.dropbox.com/s/cmdywk0wkcwtb1s/mail_main_view_mockup.svg | 20:37 |
sandy_locke | here it is :) | 20:37 |
qwazix | thx | 20:37 |
qwazix | hm.. can't see the avatars, I suppose they are linked, not embedded | 20:38 |
qwazix | can you upload those too? | 20:39 |
sandy_locke | hmm, ok I'll see into that | 20:40 |
sandy_locke | do you want the actual pictures ? | 20:41 |
sandy_locke | because it's just svg circles with pictures as a texture | 20:41 |
sandy_locke | qwazix: ^ | 20:41 |
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qwazix | sandy_locke, :nod: I'll put some random ones from the net | 20:42 |
sandy_locke | ok | 20:42 |
sandy_locke | but if you need I can upload those I used | 20:42 |
sandy_locke | they are public domain | 20:42 |
sandy_locke | so we can embed them in our specs | 20:42 |
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sandy_locke | qwazix: and what about like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/ym94zl00fo6usop/mail_main_view_mockup.png ? | 20:50 |
qwazix | I don't know, there is something, but I'm not sure what. Give me a couple minutes. | 20:52 |
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qwazix | also please upload the avatars if you've checked for licenses, as I just copied off google images | 20:53 |
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sandy_locke | ok, I'll do that | 20:53 |
sandy_locke | I'll upload the actual pictures | 20:53 |
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sandy_locke | qwazix: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1mxb0e8ihkcazva/S6NJuatd4I | 20:55 |
qwazix | thanks | 20:55 |
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sandy_locke | or we can go with this (link = reload ^) | 20:56 |
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smokex | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Creating_Releases | 21:14 |
smokex | Last phase is stable that is currently not used, but it will contain more testing and where nothing should not break. | 21:14 |
smokex | double negative | 21:14 |
smokex | where nothing should not break | 21:14 |
sandy_locke | smokex: so evrything must break ? | 21:17 |
smokex | apparently :D | 21:17 |
sandy_locke | :P | 21:17 |
sandy_locke | oh yeah, I see the typo on your link | 21:18 |
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sandy_locke | I'll edit that | 21:18 |
smokex | kk | 21:18 |
sandy_locke | done :) | 21:19 |
smokex | :) | 21:19 |
sandy_locke | the whole sentence is a mess though (no disrespect to the author ofc^^) | 21:21 |
sandy_locke | I do not dare to change it all up | 21:21 |
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sandy_locke | qwazix: ping me when you're done | 21:22 |
sandy_locke | I'll watch an tv show | 21:22 |
sandy_locke | (or if you've sth to show me I stay ofc ;)) | 21:22 |
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smokex | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iWb_qi2-uI here's a bit of light entertainment | 21:28 |
smokex | which I'm watching atm | 21:28 |
sandy_locke | smokex: self-taught don't always use old books | 21:32 |
sandy_locke | what's your man saying ? :P | 21:32 |
smokex | the creator of c++? | 21:33 |
sandy_locke | the old guy yeah | 21:33 |
sandy_locke | he says, bad code can come from self taught that use old docs | 21:33 |
smokex | he's talking about why different languages are good for different applications and where c++ fits in right now | 21:34 |
sandy_locke | yeah, but he also say those stuffs above in the beginning | 21:34 |
sandy_locke | well at 17:xx | 21:35 |
smokex | I'm at 9:10 | 21:35 |
sandy_locke | ah :) | 21:35 |
sandy_locke | you'll see ;) | 21:35 |
sandy_locke | (my bad, I spoiled you the 17th minute :P) | 21:35 |
smokex | wife keeps telling me her oh so important crap about the girls she's currently mad at, at work | 21:35 |
sandy_locke | she should just avoid the other girl | 21:36 |
smokex | so its taking me a while to watch it | 21:36 |
sandy_locke | if she pisses her off | 21:36 |
sandy_locke | lol | 21:36 |
smokex | she gets pissed at everyone | 21:36 |
sandy_locke | ok | 21:36 |
sandy_locke | ah | 21:36 |
sandy_locke | that's another issue | 21:36 |
smokex | this one is her best friend | 21:36 |
sandy_locke | ah | 21:37 |
sandy_locke | another one... | 21:37 |
sandy_locke | :P | 21:37 |
smokex | lol... | 21:37 |
smokex | she's pissed at me atm too | 21:37 |
sandy_locke | lol | 21:37 |
smokex | because I unblocked my sister from her facebook | 21:37 |
sandy_locke | ^^ | 21:37 |
smokex | guess what... she was pissed at my sister | 21:37 |
sandy_locke | I was gonna say it :P | 21:38 |
smokex | \o/ | 21:38 |
sandy_locke | block your sister from her facebook back then | 21:38 |
sandy_locke | ^^ | 21:38 |
smokex | nah I'm letting her do that | 21:38 |
sandy_locke | ok | 21:39 |
smokex | my sister has been blocked for 2 years | 21:39 |
sandy_locke | no wonder she's pissed off | 21:39 |
sandy_locke | oh, honey, I broke your computer... | 21:39 |
sandy_locke | I'll let you repair it then | 21:39 |
smokex | and I couldn't show her my pictures on wifes facebook from Bon Jovi concert | 21:39 |
sandy_locke | nighty night | 21:39 |
sandy_locke | :P | 21:39 |
smokex | nn lol | 21:40 |
sandy_locke | ah :( | 21:40 |
sandy_locke | you should organize a family diner | 21:41 |
sandy_locke | to let your sister and wife get along | 21:41 |
smokex | I'm in Australia | 21:41 |
smokex | sister is in Tennessee | 21:41 |
sandy_locke | oh, yeah... | 21:41 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, http://play.qwazix.com/shared/mail_main_view_mockup.png | 21:42 |
qwazix | it has 2-3 different styles | 21:42 |
sandy_locke | yeah see that | 21:42 |
sandy_locke | like them | 21:42 |
sandy_locke | particularily like the yesterday 12o'clock one | 21:43 |
sandy_locke | but will the font be big enough on small screens ? | 21:43 |
qwazix | the text of that that might be a little too small | 21:43 |
qwazix | lel | 21:43 |
qwazix | lol | 21:43 |
sandy_locke | yeah that what I thought | 21:44 |
qwazix | we can also put the text there, only if the whole message fits | 21:44 |
sandy_locke | although we could propose all three in mail prefs ? | 21:44 |
qwazix | usually the first few lines don't say anything really special | 21:44 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, no I don't think we should propose design in prefs | 21:45 |
sandy_locke | at least : show excerpt, show only subject | 21:45 |
qwazix | design is our job. Prefs are for things like sorting, grouping etc | 21:45 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, that's okay to have in pref, yeah | 21:46 |
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sandy_locke | qwazix: and why not show only subject, and excerpt as in yesterday 12 only when conversation appears in the middle of the timeline ? | 21:48 |
sandy_locke | only bigger | 21:48 |
qwazix | yeah | 21:49 |
qwazix | good | 21:49 |
sandy_locke | the excerpt could overflow top and bottom since we only show subject for the others | 21:49 |
qwazix | also the day is only needed the first time it appears | 21:50 |
sandy_locke | the first time what appear ? | 21:51 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, the first in the list might be better to be bigger | 21:51 |
qwazix | yeah, you don't need to have "today" in every entry | 21:52 |
sandy_locke | yeah that's right | 21:52 |
qwazix | you can show it on the first entry, and then only the time for the next entries, until "yesterday" | 21:52 |
sandy_locke | or... we could use the style from the top messages and let user scroll messages directly from this view | 21:52 |
sandy_locke | overall scrolling could be done by swiping on contacts | 21:53 |
sandy_locke | yeah like the idea for "today" | 21:53 |
sandy_locke | same for yesterday | 21:53 |
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sandy_locke | also, we could allow tap on a pic (even when there are several) to answer directly only to .this. one | 21:54 |
qwazix | if the "big" message is in the middle, user won't be able to move the first (and usually most important) message to the "big" position | 21:54 |
Venemo | morning | 21:54 |
qwazix | if it is the first of the screen, then you can move any message to the "big" state | 21:54 |
sandy_locke | yeah that's right too | 21:54 |
sandy_locke | o/ Venemo | 21:54 |
qwazix | morning Venemo | 21:54 |
qwazix | Venemo, we're talking qmlmail | 21:55 |
qwazix | http://play.qwazix.com/shared/mail_main_view_mockup.png | 21:55 |
sandy_locke | qwazix: on phone | 21:55 |
sandy_locke | take you back in few mins | 21:55 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, ok | 21:55 |
Venemo | nice mockup, which part are you discussing about? | 21:56 |
qwazix | how (and if) to show excrept | 21:57 |
qwazix | *excerpt | 21:57 |
qwazix | we're leaning towards the "yesterday 12:00" style | 21:57 |
Venemo | yes, excerpts are very useful | 21:57 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, had a nice idea, a certain position in the list to be shown with more details | 21:58 |
Venemo | I think both yesterday 12:00 and 12:32 are okay. I think that 12:00 is very original :) | 21:58 |
qwazix | so that you can scroll and view more info | 21:58 |
qwazix | imagine like moving a paper under a stationary magnifying glass | 21:59 |
Venemo | nice | 21:59 |
qwazix | this was his mockup https://www.dropbox.com/s/ym94zl00fo6usop/mail_main_view_mockup.png | 21:59 |
Venemo | whose? | 22:00 |
qwazix | see 12:32, though I don't know how that will look with animation | 22:00 |
qwazix | sandy_locke's | 22:00 |
Venemo | ah | 22:00 |
Venemo | well, I think the except should be something that you can't interact with. it is, after all, just an excerpt | 22:00 |
Venemo | you tap the item and you see the full message anyway | 22:01 |
qwazix | Venemo, we were also thinking, maybe to have different spacing, relative to the time between messages | 22:01 |
Venemo | but I must say that I very much like the general feeling of the mockup | 22:01 |
qwazix | btw the circle size is the size of the conversation, while the color is the importance | 22:01 |
qwazix | (simple things, like if the contact is in favorites, if you have many messages with this person stuff like that) | 22:02 |
Venemo | qwazix: I wouldn't complicate it that much. I appreciate the idea of indicating things in the list view, but I vote against varying spacing - QML list views work optimally if all items are of equal height | 22:02 |
qwazix | Venemo, :nod: | 22:03 |
Venemo | :) | 22:03 |
Venemo | otherwise I very much like the concept | 22:04 |
Venemo | first feeling I got was WOW | 22:04 |
qwazix | happy to hear that :) | 22:04 |
qwazix | team work! | 22:04 |
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Venemo | you guys are AWESOME | 22:09 |
Venemo | anyhow, I've been looking at the UI control specs from github | 22:10 |
Venemo | I generally like their look but not everything's clear for me yet | 22:11 |
Venemo | can we talk about them tomorrow qwazix? :) | 22:11 |
qwazix | Venemo, hopefully yeah, but I'm not sure I'll have too much time tomorrow | 22:12 |
qwazix | (last day @work and you know how it is) | 22:13 |
Venemo | qwazix: ah, yeah I know | 22:13 |
Venemo | qwazix: maybe day after tomorrow then? | 22:13 |
qwazix | yeah, saturday should be ok | 22:13 |
Venemo | allright | 22:13 |
Venemo | I'll be here around 7PM by my time | 22:14 |
Venemo | will have an exam earlier and a tennis match after that | 22:14 |
qwazix | your time is? | 22:15 |
qwazix | +1? | 22:15 |
Venemo | it's CET | 22:15 |
Venemo | +1 | 22:15 |
Eztran | Just been reading the logs. +1 to WOW at the mail concept. | 22:16 |
Venemo | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest I think it's +1 now and +2 in summer | 22:16 |
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qwazix | okay, we'll talk then, if not sooner | 22:17 |
qwazix | Venemo, also, Morpog has a pretty good idea about the specs, you can talk to him too | 22:19 |
sandy_locke | back, sorry | 22:19 |
qwazix | wb | 22:19 |
sandy_locke | reading the backlogs | 22:19 |
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Venemo | qwazix: surely, I will :) | 22:22 |
sandy_locke | ok qwazix I was thinking the same thing | 22:23 |
sandy_locke | about the scroll magnifying thingy for excerpt | 22:23 |
sandy_locke | but as Venemo said, maybe we should stick with static excerpts | 22:23 |
sandy_locke | I don't know | 22:24 |
sandy_locke | it may take a lot to load for only the main view (loading all the messages at once) | 22:24 |
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Venemo | sandy_locke: if we have it working in the static mode, we can always improve on it later | 22:26 |
sandy_locke | qwazix: also what was this about : had a nice idea, a certain position in the list to be shown with more details | 22:26 |
sandy_locke | yeah ofc | 22:26 |
sandy_locke | I think it would be the best approach | 22:27 |
qwazix | I was trying to explain that "big" item we were talking about | 22:27 |
qwazix | though, I presume it might be too hard to implement | 22:27 |
sandy_locke | what was it ? | 22:27 |
sandy_locke | we agreed that the big item should be topmost | 22:27 |
sandy_locke | so I was thinking about the scroll area | 22:29 |
sandy_locke | it should be on the favicons column | 22:29 |
sandy_locke | and allow tap on favicons for quick reply to one recipient only | 22:29 |
sandy_locke | so for instance, a short email would have it's whole message displayed in main view, and you can answer to one of the recipient (if many) or the recipient by taping it's favicon | 22:31 |
sandy_locke | qwazix: ^ | 22:31 |
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sandy_locke | also some actions like new mail, quick draft... should be on header toolbar by swiping down on header | 22:32 |
sandy_locke | to keep header clean | 22:32 |
sandy_locke | qwazix: are you drafting sth right now ? | 22:33 |
qwazix | sorry, I was afk | 22:33 |
sandy_locke | ok np | 22:33 |
sandy_locke | also in your mockup, I think list view should go all the way down the screen | 22:34 |
qwazix | about the "big" item, any item should smoothly transition from "small" state to "big", that might prove too hard to code (or to make it feel right) | 22:34 |
qwazix | yeah, it should | 22:35 |
sandy_locke | you think it may be too hard ? | 22:35 |
qwazix | the tap on contact to reply is nice | 22:35 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, I'm not sure, we must ask a QML wizard | 22:35 |
sandy_locke | the scrolling method on harmattan for instance AFAIK it uses some advanced animations to display i.e: date or alphabet letters | 22:36 |
sandy_locke | no ? | 22:36 |
qwazix | new mail should be available without opening the header | 22:36 |
sandy_locke | ok, yeah, most used actions should be available directly | 22:36 |
qwazix | refresh can be done with swipe down, like on twitter, though I liked harmattan's implementation that put the search there | 22:37 |
sandy_locke | yeah, iOS stole it too (search) | 22:37 |
qwazix | yep | 22:37 |
qwazix | search is good, because it takes advantage of the available space | 22:37 |
qwazix | refresh doesn't take much space anyway | 22:37 |
sandy_locke | search is better, or could we use long swipe to refresh, short swipe to search ? | 22:38 |
Eztran | sandy_locke: was just thinking about that. Would seem a bit pulley menu-ish. | 22:38 |
sandy_locke | yeah, that's where the idea came from :P | 22:39 |
Eztran | Ah. That'd be why :) | 22:39 |
sandy_locke | but why not use it ? it's good design I believe | 22:39 |
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sandy_locke | qwazix: you're the one in charge of the mockup now, since you took the file for editing in Inkscape ;) | 22:40 |
sandy_locke | my vector program mess up Inkscape svg, sadly... | 22:41 |
qwazix | sandy_locke, that's unfair! | 22:41 |
qwazix | :P | 22:41 |
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sandy_locke | hinhinhin >-) | 22:41 |
sandy_locke | or you can send me the svg and I'll see what I can do :) | 22:43 |
sandy_locke | qwazix: the "Mails by people" header text is elegant | 22:43 |
sandy_locke | we should keep it | 22:43 |
sandy_locke | also, should we use long tap on mail actions ? | 22:44 |
qwazix | or swipe to the right actions | 22:44 |
qwazix | (see listview medium mockup) | 22:44 |
sandy_locke | I was thinking it could open an unobtrusive dialog at bottom | 22:44 |
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qwazix | (or a contextroller) | 22:45 |
sandy_locke | yeah I prefer swipe right | 22:45 |
sandy_locke | but in this case it should be swipe left, no ? | 22:46 |
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sandy_locke | although, delete in people view should be avoid, since it should gather all emails from the people in each conversation | 22:47 |
sandy_locke | speaking of which... | 22:47 |
sandy_locke | people view should show only people names in main view | 22:48 |
sandy_locke | logically | 22:48 |
sandy_locke | not last messages | 22:48 |
sandy_locke | qwazix: ^ | 22:48 |
sandy_locke | the view we made is actually conversation view | 22:48 |
qwazix | ehm... | 22:48 |
qwazix | ah, now I got it | 22:49 |
sandy_locke | yeah | 22:49 |
qwazix | no we won't delete a person, we can delete all the history with him however | 22:49 |
sandy_locke | and we should think of a way to highlight when a mail has not been read | 22:49 |
sandy_locke | it's dangerous | 22:50 |
sandy_locke | you could ask the mail app to just delete years of conversations ! | 22:50 |
sandy_locke | it should be an option hard to access | 22:50 |
sandy_locke | not with swipe for instance | 22:51 |
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qwazix | yep | 22:57 |
qwazix | and yep | 22:57 |
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sandy_locke | qwazix: so this https://www.dropbox.com/s/ym94zl00fo6usop/mail_main_view_mockup.png should be people view | 23:05 |
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qwazix | yep | 23:07 |
qwazix | I gotta go, have a good night | 23:13 |
sandy_locke | ok you too | 23:13 |
sandy_locke | see you | 23:13 |
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sledges | great work on mailer! | 23:29 |
sledges | gnite :) | 23:29 |
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