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| merlin1991 | yay qwazix | 00:33 |
| qwazix | I like it so far | 00:33 |
| qwazix | A tad too complex swipes but otherwise I love the clean text-only style | 00:34 |
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| qwazix | and since there's locusf's evernote client I think I might survive without android support | 00:34 |
| w00t | qwazix: welcome to the fold | 00:36 |
| qwazix | w00t, nice to be here :-) | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | I'm trying to make sense of https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework there is a maliit-framework subfolder and also a git subtree upstream | 00:37 |
| merlin1991 | which is used in the for the package that is built? | 00:37 |
| special | merlin1991: it's subtree packaging | 00:37 |
| qwazix | w00t, first time that I'm so excited about a gadget since I first got N900 | 00:37 |
| special | merlin1991: short version: the maliit-framework folder is what's built; the submodule points to the upstream it's based off of | 00:38 |
| special | merlin1991: there are patches on top of maliit-framework, and subtree merges are used to update and rebase those patches | 00:38 |
| merlin1991 | I guess I better read up on subtree docs | 00:38 |
| special | well, if you're just building it, or adding patches, you don't need to worry about it | 00:39 |
| special | if you want to update from upstream it's ..more fun. | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | I'm mostly interested because I'm thinking about how todo my packaging for an application so that I have nemo / sailfish packainging all independend of the actual source | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | so I guessed there might be a reuseable example here | 00:40 |
| special | we use subtrees for cases where we have lots of patches on top of an upstream | 00:40 |
| special | if there aren't (m)any patches, submodules are easier to deal with | 00:40 |
| special | https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/telepathy-gabble is a submodule example | 00:40 |
| merlin1991 | does tar_git handle both transparently? | 00:41 |
| special | yes | 00:42 |
| special | if you look at that .spec, "%setup -q -n %{name}-%{version}/%{name}" | 00:42 |
| special | the /%{name} is the submodule directory | 00:42 |
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| merlin1991 | what do you suggest for keeping nemo and sailfish packaging inside a single packaging repo, oprhaned branches, subdirectories or should I just go for 2 repos? | 00:47 |
| special | well, for everything where nemo is the upstream, we just put the packaging in the same repository. so much easier. | 00:49 |
| special | otherwise, a branch would be a simple solution | 00:50 |
| special | submodule/subtree seem unnecessary for your case | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | I'm thinking about my own stuff, where I'd like to at least keep the source clean from packaging files in one repo, and then have the packaging in another repo | 00:50 |
| special | if it is a separate repository entirely, then a submodule might not be bad | 00:51 |
| special | just mildly annoying | 00:51 |
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| merlin1991 | what is the preferred place for user qml in nemo? /usr/lib/qt5/qml/$companyurl/$application/$file like ie qmlgallery or /usr/share/$application/qml/$file like voicecall-ui | 01:20 |
| special | /usr/lib/qt5/qml is for imports | 01:22 |
| special | the stuff qmlgallery installs there is intended to be imported and used by other applications | 01:22 |
| special | /usr/share should be used for anything application-specific | 01:22 |
| merlin1991 | ah okay so it's just a coincidence that a few of the nemo qml apps drop imports there | 01:23 |
| special | that's just how they do shared components | 01:23 |
| merlin1991 | ... what I wanted to say :) | 01:24 |
| merlin1991 | that leaves one last question for me, qrc or files in /usr/share? | 01:25 |
| special | personal choice. /usr/share is easier for editing on device and arguably faster | 01:26 |
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| coderus | merlin1991: with qrc your app will use more virtual memory to keep whole qrc in memory, since it compiled to binary :) if placed outside everything okay. reasonable using qrc if over 1000 files inside resources. if speedup installation/removal process multiple times. | 08:49 |
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| sledges | jornin | 09:10 |
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| notmart | lbt_: ping | 10:18 |
| notmart | sledges: moved most of the packages on tar_git in the end | 10:18 |
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| sledges | notmart: \o/ fantastic, because we'd like to stay away from SRs (though HA repos were still a sore spot) | 10:27 |
| notmart | just have a copule of packages that are still just hand made | 10:28 |
| notmart | one that is exactly one file | 10:28 |
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| notmart | one that has a git submodule in the git repo that sould be packaged | 10:28 |
| notmart | (would work a submodule within a submodule?) | 10:28 |
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| notmart | vgrade: ping | 10:33 |
| sledges | notmart: Stskeeps can create it, can you tell him the directory structure needed? | 10:35 |
| sledges | and permissions | 10:35 |
| notmart | Stskeeps: if you can, would be nemo:devel:hw:allwinner:a20:eoma68 (and usual testing and stable) | 10:38 |
| notmart | if someone can test if it work on something else like a cubieboard (/me does puppy eyes to vgrade) it may even lose the :eoma68 part | 10:39 |
| sledges | notmart: would your BSP (board support package) repo enable all eoma68 peripherals to work correctly? would it also do the same for cubieboard for its on board peripherals? | 10:40 |
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| sledges | currently (for nokia n9xx) we have one kernel package per board (for differing config files), even if it comes from same kernel git repo (but different tag/branch/+set_of_patches - per board) | 10:42 |
| notmart | sledges: is now tested with an improv http://www.makeplaylive.com/#/open-hardware/improv/discover , so a different module card may be different, but yeah all on that works, plus it has support for some other peripherals not there like wifi and touchscreen | 10:43 |
| notmart | (the eoma68 is a board that attaches to another that gives optional extra hardware) | 10:43 |
| sledges | then im quite confused what we should split, what refactor, in allwinner case. | 10:44 |
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| notmart | if it stays hw:allwinner:a20:eoma68 should be fine | 10:44 |
| notmart | since we want to have a single kernel for all the supported expansion boards | 10:44 |
| sledges | i'd vote to move packages that are sure not to change (strongly oppose that would be kernel/devicetrees/uboot) to allwinner:ax0-common: for better re-use, but do the rest per-board | 10:45 |
| sledges | and now just create hw:allwinner:a20:eoma68, and when a new board comes along, refactor what's common | 10:45 |
| sledges | to the parent level | 10:45 |
| notmart | that's fine for me as well | 10:46 |
| sledges | oki | 10:46 |
| sledges | waiting for Stskeeps then | 10:46 |
| sledges | we'll need cibot and notmart as maintainers there, i gather | 10:47 |
| notmart | yep | 10:47 |
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| sledges | :$ should've discussed this on #nemomobile-porters | 11:01 |
| * sledges just cut the branch he sat on :)) | 11:01 | |
| sledges | pardon :) | 11:01 |
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| coderus | how to read boot log? system failed to startup, and i see no syslog file | 11:20 |
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| sledges | coderus: journalctl | 11:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | is there a rationale why we again need something new instead of syslog? | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please don't say "because the logs are stored to sqlite now" :-D | 11:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or... to **tracker**?? :-O | 11:59 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer05: because lennart poettering said let there be journald | 11:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol, I thought as much | 12:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hinestly wonder when this crap will get called poettux | 12:01 |
| coderus | sledges: shows nothing :( | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly even | 12:01 |
| coderus | sledges: i chrooted to nemo | 12:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maybe linux community could start a crowdfunding project to hire a fulltime psychiatrist? | 12:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet that's remediable. Just find some other stuff he can mess up | 12:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah probably systemd been not bloated enough, so they decided to complement it with journalctl, eh? | 12:06 |
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| Stskeeps | and networkd on top | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 12:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, seems I guessed right. systemd-journalctl | 12:08 |
| sledges | coderus: it's volatile | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course systemd can't log to syslogd | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just too boring | 12:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my linux system 6 years ago been faster and rock solid compared to the mess they offer today | 12:10 |
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| coderus | sledges: violatile? what you mean? o_O | 12:18 |
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| sledges | coderus: it disappears after reboot | 12:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably an รผbersmart design of systemd to log to a buffer in ram | 12:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | more ram usage = more importance | 12:20 |
| sledges | to log a buffer under tmpfs, because you don't want to eat your NAND | 12:20 |
| sledges | can be done to log to mmc, for debugging purposes only | 12:21 |
| sledges | (will need to do that soon, coderus already in need :)) | 12:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm eating my NAND since 4 years now, 24/7. with syslogd. No negative effects seen | 12:22 |
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| wazd | hello all | 12:23 |
| sledges | that's nothing to do with systemd/syslogd, is how you construct your embedded system http://elinux.org/images/c/c2/Csimmonds-end-of-embedded-linux.pdf slide #12 | 12:23 |
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| sledges | hi wazd | 12:24 |
| notmart | Stskeeps: as i was discussing with sledges, would be possible to have repositories for hardware adaptation of allwinner stuff under nemo: ? | 12:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sledges: I don't see why I need to read that URL | 12:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I think i know to build embedded systems | 12:25 |
| Stskeeps | notmart: yes, just in meetings day today, will be a couple of hours | 12:25 |
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| notmart | Stskeeps: maybe we can talk about it later today when they are done? | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 12:26 |
| notmart | cool :) | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | jyst prod me | 12:26 |
| notmart | ok, will ping again in 2-3 hours | 12:27 |
| shentey | hi, is this todo list still up to date? https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project#TO_DO_list_for_kernel_update | 12:27 |
| sledges | Hurrian: ^ ? | 12:28 |
| shentey | it seems to me that cellular modem drivers (cmt) and device tree tasks are already finished | 12:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Stskeeps: see, poettering claims we don't need /usr anymore since every system has 700GB /-fs nowadays. I claim I don't care somce I know I got only 1GB but I know about its write-cycle endurance | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/somce/since/ | 12:29 |
| Hurrian | sledges: yep, looks like the newest pulls from filippz fixed them | 12:29 |
| sledges | shentey: ^ :) | 12:29 |
| Hurrian | IIRC the only problem now is charging, because of BME | 12:29 |
| Hurrian | the device straight up reboots when charging starts | 12:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops, and ETAB. sledges of course | 12:30 |
| shentey | sledges, Hurrian: thx :) | 12:30 |
| shentey | can somebody knowing update the wiki then? | 12:30 |
| sledges | isn't the bme bit what coderus is working on? | 12:30 |
| Hurrian | coderus was working on BME interfacing with statefs, not the kernel :( | 12:30 |
| sledges | ah true | 12:30 |
| shentey | is BME a binary blob? | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, and a buggy blob | 12:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | full of cruft and nonsense | 12:31 |
| shentey | does anybody of you attend the Chaos Communication Congress this year? | 12:31 |
| shentey | I'm wondering if I should go there to meet some of you guys ;) | 12:32 |
| shentey | I'd like to get into kernel development, so I'm looking for a way to get started | 12:33 |
| Hurrian | side note: finally got a new GPU, I can start working on stuff again this Christmas break ;) | 12:33 |
| faenil | Hurrian, so somebody wrote the device tree for 3.5? :) | 12:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | get this silly little script and forget about bme: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=658278#post658278 | 12:34 |
| Hurrian | faenil: filippz's commits fix most of it, volume buttons aside | 12:34 |
| faenil | Hurrian, awesome, have to check that out | 12:34 |
| Hurrian | volume buttons should literally be a 2-line commit, but I CBA to git clone right now | 12:34 |
| faenil | so we're close to having 3.5.3 working for nemo? | 12:34 |
| sledges | Hurrian: new GPU not for gaming? ;D | 12:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shoukd work on N950 and N9 as it does on N900 since years | 12:34 |
| Hurrian | faenil: CTRL+F for the VOL UP keys in the rm696 and rm681 board configs - just copy 'em over ;) | 12:35 |
| Hurrian | sledges: bought a gaming GPU to justify the empty space inside my mid tower :P | 12:35 |
| faenil | Hurrian, can't atm, quite busy :P | 12:35 |
| coderus | sledges: lol :D and i cant know why system cant boot? :D | 12:36 |
| Hurrian | i don't think i've exceeded the "power saving" clock of 50MHz core in the past 24 hours :D | 12:36 |
| sledges | coderus: no ssh? | 12:36 |
| sledges | over usb | 12:36 |
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| coderus | Hurrian: what? device reboots when charging starts? :D | 12:38 |
| Hurrian | coderus: on 3.5 kernel, if BME is started, device reboots when charging starts | 12:38 |
| coderus | sledges: no, usb is not initalized :( | 12:38 |
| Hurrian | solution is not to use BME while people figure out how to dump power straight into battery | 12:38 |
| coderus | Hurrian: ah, okay. | 12:38 |
| Hurrian | iirc there was some investigation done in I2C interface on N9/50, it might help with an open bme replacement | 12:39 |
| sledges | coderus: then we need to change systemd parameters to log to flash (you can do this via chroot to nemo, ask in #systemd where to change what, I never done that) | 12:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course you're free to improve the very basic (and possibly even not what you want) line `` while [ $(i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x00) = 0x90 ] ยดยด | 12:40 |
| wazd | 4 everyone except sledges :D : https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/96361817/Nemo/Logo/wallpaper_WIP_1.jpg <- what do you think guys? :) | 12:40 |
| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: no, bme is not buggy, at least one used in harmattan (nemo bme is older), in harmattan it is almost rock solid | 12:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shadowjk been more diligent than me and created charge21.sh, which might be a great baseline to build on | 12:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rock solid != bugfree | 12:43 |
| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: almost bug free | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for (;;); is rock solid | 12:43 |
| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: have you seen _almost_ above? | 12:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bme is full of cruft, and I've seen it accessing register 40 in a I2C chip that has only 5 registers | 12:44 |
| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: are you talking about harmattan bme? | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bme been lucky here - the chip mirrors the registers | 12:45 |
| deztructor | or n900 (fremantle) one? | 12:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I bet they are almost identical | 12:45 |
| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: no, you are wrong :p they are significantly different | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | after all Nokia afaik heavily patched bme to run under HARM | 12:46 |
| faenil | wazd, xmas wallpaper? :D | 12:46 |
| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: this is your myths, bme was rewritten for harmattan | 12:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ohwow, why didn't they simply nuke it? | 12:47 |
| wazd | @faenil: sorta :) | 12:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it doesn't do anything useful anyway | 12:47 |
| deztructor | and has a little in common with fremantle ones | 12:47 |
| faenil | wazd, cool :) | 12:47 |
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| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: ic, you are a storyteller :p | 12:48 |
| deztructor | you know so much about bme | 12:48 |
| deztructor | and about what it does | 12:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly a >>while [ $(i2cget -y 2 0x6b 0x00) = $OK ] ; do sleep 10; i2cset -y -m 0x80 2 0x6b 0x00 0x80; done << is all that bme is basically doing | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, all it *needs* to do. I said it's full of cruft | 12:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, it also does some less nifty battery status monitoring to report to HAL about charge% and voltage | 12:51 |
| deztructor | DocScrutinizer05: you can imagine whatever you want. I do not want to convience people in anything who are so "clever" they know what application should do beforehand w/o knowledge of underlying hw and requirements | 12:51 |
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| deztructor | live with it | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | osts me another oneliner to implement that in shellscript | 12:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly on N9(50) where the battery gauge is really a smartass chip | 12:52 |
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| vakkov_n900 | agetty[627]: /dev/ttyS0: not a character device | 13:54 |
| vakkov_n900 | does anybody have an idea why would i get that in the logs | 13:55 |
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| filip__ | shentey, sledges, Hurrian: hi all - 3.5 fixes haven't been pushed to github (project maintainer is to busy to to review them) | 15:09 |
| filip__ | so if anyone needs them I can push them to my fork | 15:09 |
| filip__ | someone should update wiki to reflect things that are fixed | 15:10 |
| filip__ | as for charging (Hurrian) N9 doesn't reboot immediately | 15:10 |
| filip__ | it charges OK, but reboots when something is plugged into USB and goes "to sleep" | 15:10 |
| filip__ | soemone with working serial port (Hurrian?) should look into it | 15:11 |
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| valdur55 | When i start call, then there is 2 sec loudspeaker and then it will be normal. | 22:22 |
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