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| sledges | good jollning | 08:33 |
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| stephg | happy jolla-day (to me) | 08:34 |
| locusf | good morning :) | 08:37 |
| stephg | how are we all today? excited? | 08:38 |
| locusf | yeah definately :) | 08:39 |
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| fk_lx | we are excited :-) | 08:40 |
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| ZogG_laptop | fk_lx: are you? | 08:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | :P | 08:47 |
| ZogG_laptop | fk_lx: are you comming to the party? | 08:47 |
| * fk_lx must admit that he is so excited and happy, that even single tears appeared in his eyes | 08:47 | |
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| fk_lx | ZogG_laptop: well I will be there at the square before Kamppi | 08:49 |
| * jussi throws tomatoes at sledges | 08:51 | |
| * stephg wonders why tomatoes | 08:53 | |
| jussi | stephg: because they happened to be handy, and are squishy :D | 08:53 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 watches/listens to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YzdTLy5yqOQ&noredirect=1 and hums along the melody | 08:54 | |
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| locusf | https://mobile.twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/405617889786335233?screen_name=JollaHQ | 08:55 |
| locusf | not half bad :) | 08:55 |
| stephg | woo | 08:55 |
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| rah | wtf is "jolladay"? | 09:00 |
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| stephg | today! | 09:02 |
| iekku | rah, wrong channel, but customers gets first jolla devices to their hands today | 09:03 |
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| rah | iekku: I see | 09:03 |
| sledges | italian joke especially for you Jussi: two tomatoes cossing the street. one says 'watch out' <splash> 'what?' <splash> | 09:05 |
| jussi | heh | 09:05 |
| sledges | ;) sounds better in orig and unwritten | 09:05 |
| rah | iekku: do we know now which parts of the phone's software are proprietary? | 09:09 |
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| stephg | rah: bits of the UX and (some?) of the hardware adaptation (i.e. device drivers) | 09:11 |
| rah | stephg: what are your sources for this informationa? | 09:15 |
| rah | s/tiona/tion/ | 09:15 |
| stephg | check out sailfishos.org | 09:20 |
| stephg | https://sailfishos.org/about-architecture.html# | 09:20 |
| stephg | specifically | 09:20 |
| rah | stephg: that doesn't say anything about which parts are proprietary | 09:21 |
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| stephg | bits of bits with a 'jolla' next to them are all, or in part, currently closed | 09:22 |
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| rah | stephg: err.. what are your sources for that information? :-) | 09:22 |
| rah | stephg: the page doesn't say anything like that | 09:22 |
| rah | I mean, it's something you could assume but then it's just an assumption | 09:23 |
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| rah | plus, if it is everything with 'jolla' next to is that that means all the useful bits of sailfish will be proprietary | 09:26 |
| rah | s/that that/then that/ | 09:26 |
| Stskeeps | the UI is -currently- closed; hardware adaptation is always a bitch and will include closed bits on any ARM device | 09:27 |
| rah | and I can't imagine Jolla would be going around advertising their phone as "truly open" if all the useful bits are proprietary | 09:27 |
| rah | not unless they're particularly evil | 09:27 |
| rah | Stskeeps: what do you mean by "the UI"? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | sailfish os = sailfish ui + nemo middleware + mer core + hw adaptation | 09:28 |
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| rah | Stskeeps: well, what you're saying contradicts stephg; the architecture diagram that stephg linked to has a 'jolla' next to the middleware section | 09:30 |
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| rah | Stskeeps: and I have to ask: how do you know that "the UI" is -currently- closed? | 09:30 |
| stephg | anything Stskeeps says will be truer than what I say, but it doesn't particularly | 09:30 |
| rah | Stskeeps: what is your source for that information? | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | rah: i'm chief research engineer at jolla.. | 09:30 |
| stephg | I said "bits of bits" ;) | 09:30 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:30 |
| rah | Stskeeps: I see | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | things can always change | 09:31 |
| rah | Stskeeps: so what do you mean by "the UI"? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | homescreen, ui components, applications, artwork | 09:31 |
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| rah | dafuq? | 09:32 |
| Stskeeps | but everything under is open | 09:32 |
| rah | and your marketroids are calling the phone "truly open"? | 09:32 |
| faenil | o/ | 09:32 |
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| rah | Stskeeps: which applications? | 09:33 |
| stephg | yikes I'm late for work | 09:38 |
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| rah | the silence speaks volumes :-/ | 09:38 |
| Stskeeps | rah: it all comes down to what you feel the phone. try it out, see what you can accept, what you can't; some people won't accept a phone with any blobs. i'm happy that i can get full control of my device, even remove applications that i don't want. if you want a truly open UI, contribute to glacier | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I hardly can accwept maemo | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and we have some real fun RE'ing the closed blobs in it | 09:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | funny how mer once been the "open alternative" to maemo | 09:41 |
| rah | Stskeeps: I'll try your phone out *after* "the UI" is released as free software | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | rah: that's your choice | 09:42 |
| rah | O_o | 09:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | meego claimed to get more open than maemo but in the end been a crippled abomination riddled by a braindamaged DRM all over the place | 09:43 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, mer *is* open | 09:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | now sailfish is what? more open still than meego? | 09:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | faenil: to me it sounds you made it open by downsizing | 09:44 |
| locusf | mer used to be full gui faenil | 09:44 |
| faenil | ah ok sorry didn't know | 09:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exactly | 09:44 |
| locusf | back in n810 days | 09:44 |
| locusf | and n800 | 09:44 |
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| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, Nemo is open top to bottom | 09:45 |
| faenil | and what? very low contributions | 09:45 |
| faenil | where are all the opensource fans | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah, ok | 09:45 |
| faenil | when it comes the time of building something together? | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so Nemo is which part of the system? | 09:45 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, Nemo is a distro | 09:45 |
| faenil | Mer core + Nemo MW + Glacier UI | 09:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and which device drivers? | 09:45 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, well, it depends on the device you run it on | 09:46 |
| faenil | rah, did you know Nemo was open top to bottom? | 09:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I think you guys have a severe communications probem. Nobody dull as me understands the differences any more | 09:47 |
| rah | faenil: yes | 09:47 |
| faenil | rah, and where was your opensource soul during that time? :) | 09:47 |
| rah | faenil: I don't understand what you mean; which time are you talking about? | 09:48 |
| rah | (also, I don't really care about "open source", my concern is with user freedom, which is referred to as "free software") | 09:48 |
| faenil | rah, so you should yet more appreciate sailfish choices | 09:48 |
| faenil | okay they didn't manage to *expose* the whole sourcecode at the moment | 09:49 |
| rah | faenil: choice does not mean freedom | 09:49 |
| faenil | BUT | 09:49 |
| faenil | the *fully* open sailfish is trying to give as a message | 09:49 |
| faenil | is something you can be part of, the do it together | 09:49 |
| faenil | in fact | 09:49 |
| faenil | Nemo and Mer are parts of sailfish | 09:49 |
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| rah | faenil: "freedom", in the context of software refers to the four freedoms defined by the Free Software Definition: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html | 09:50 |
| faenil | and sailfish is not using forks or any stuff like that | 09:50 |
| faenil | rah, *fully* open as in you *can* contribute | 09:50 |
| faenil | it's not just free code | 09:50 |
| faenil | rah, it's not android where you have codedrops and you can't contribute in any way | 09:50 |
| faenil | it's really a way to be able to do things together | 09:51 |
| rah | faenil: I'm not interested in companies who try to redefine terms like "open" | 09:51 |
| rah | faenil: give me the source code or fuck off :-) | 09:51 |
| faenil | rah, ah so now open is just opensource? ;) | 09:51 |
| rah | faenil: yes, open is just open source | 09:51 |
| faenil | rah, then sailfish is more than that :) | 09:52 |
| faenil | not just opensource, you can actually make a difference yourself | 09:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for sure open is NOT "you may write code for our JS interpreter" | 09:52 |
| rah | faenil: I disagree; I would say sailfish is less than that | 09:52 |
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| rah | faenil: you've been brainwashed | 09:52 |
| faenil | rah, the UI part is not released, so it's useless to discuss about that | 09:52 |
| faenil | rah, I've not been brainwashed, please don't come to such conclusions without knowing me | 09:53 |
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| rah | faenil: a company has sold you on their concept of "open", which means: the ability ito influcence that company's activity in producing proprietary products | 09:53 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: is there any informations on what parts of sailfish will be released? | 09:53 |
| rah | faenil: they're denying you freedom | 09:53 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, I don't know | 09:53 |
| faenil | rah, can you rephrase last one? | 09:53 |
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| rah | faenil: not really | 09:54 |
| faenil | rah, well, I didn't get it, please write in a different way if you want me to understand :D | 09:54 |
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| locusf | I just learned about freedom in free software myself so this is an intriguing discussion :) | 09:54 |
| rah | faenil: the company is denying you the four freedoms that free software respects in its users | 09:54 |
| tanuk | If Sailfish contains closed bits, calling it "fully open" is misleading. | 09:54 |
| faenil | tanuk, of course, we all agree about that ;) | 09:55 |
| tanuk | I don't know what else there is to argue about. | 09:55 |
| zbenjamin | i also hoped for the ui part to be released | 09:55 |
| rah | Stskeeps: we all agree that your marketroids are lying | 09:55 |
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| faenil | tanuk, we're not arguing, I'm just trying to explain rah (since he's not been active part of this community) | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | rah: where have we said our system is fully open? | 09:56 |
| faenil | that it's not only opensource, but you can actually also contribute actively to it | 09:56 |
| rah | I am inexplicable | 09:56 |
| Stskeeps | i'm googling "fully open" and jolla atm | 09:56 |
| rah | Stskeeps: you haven't, I'm conflating "fully open" with "truly open" | 09:56 |
| jussi | "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system. " | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | also, open means different things to different people | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | i hate the word 'open', to be honest | 09:57 |
| jussi | I guess you can claim the OS itself is truly open | 09:57 |
| Stskeeps | as an example "Open Handset Alliance" | 09:57 |
| fk_lx | open is sometimes overused in different contexts | 09:58 |
| rah | like, for example, the context of Jolla's marketing | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | devel-su, bash# | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | open | 09:58 |
| Stskeeps | hello | 09:58 |
| fk_lx | rah: I disagree, for me Jolla is the open phone | 09:58 |
| alterego | I openned a door this morning. | 09:58 |
| rah | fk_lx: I pity you | 09:58 |
| fk_lx | rah: UI is not everything, and even then you can run Nemo on Jolla which has Glacier UI that is open | 09:59 |
| rah | fk_lx: you're worth more than the way Jolla is treating you | 09:59 |
| rah | fk_lx: I'm sorry you don't see that | 09:59 |
| fk_lx | rah: Jolla is treating me good | 09:59 |
| locusf | its all or nothing to the feee software guys | 10:00 |
| faenil | rah, out of curiosity, without considering the core apps (and sailfish UI special features), how is sailfish not open? | 10:00 |
| locusf | *free | 10:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | GOD, on N900 I can run debian | 10:01 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, did somebody deny you to do the same on jolla? :) | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which has... everything | 10:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, good luck | 10:02 |
| faenil | rah, seriously, I'm genuinely interested | 10:02 |
| faenil | I'm not playing the fan boy here | 10:02 |
| tanuk | DocScrutinizer05: Did you have some point with "on N900 I can run debian"? | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jolla hasn't redefined the mobile phone but the way to market same old mindset | 10:03 |
| alterego | *sigh* | 10:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tanuk: maybe that N900 been more open than jolla ever will be? | 10:03 |
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| tanuk | DocScrutinizer05: What's the difference? Are you somehow prevented from running Debian on Jolla? | 10:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I'm not even inclined to continue this rant | 10:04 |
| faenil | ... | 10:04 |
| rah | faenil: if you define "sailfish", to mean "all of the bits of software that run on the Jolla phone that are open" (which seems to be what you've done in your question), then "sailfish" is open | 10:04 |
| faenil | rah, okay, good ;) yes that's what I meant, if core and middleware of Sailfish was also not open to you ;) | 10:05 |
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| rah | faenil: but it's a pointless question; you've asked "which bits that are open, are not open?" | 10:06 |
| alterego | The middleware of sailfish is Nemo | 10:06 |
| rah | faenil: if all bits are open then no bits are not open | 10:06 |
| rah | faenil: it's a nonsense question | 10:06 |
| faenil | rah, it's not pointless as it seems, because *your* open could be different from middleware and core's current "open" status | 10:06 |
| faenil | so, I want to make sure the target you have in mind is the same one | 10:07 |
| rah | faenil: in that case the question you're asking me is "what does 'open' mean to you?" | 10:07 |
| rah | faenil: is that right? | 10:07 |
| faenil | rah, yes I asked you if those parts are "open" to you | 10:07 |
| faenil | or if even middleware and core is not *open* to you for whatever reason | 10:08 |
| rah | faenil: in that case: I don't really have an idea about what the word "open" means because it's misused in so many absurd ways, like for example in Jolla's marketing material | 10:08 |
| rah | faenil: so the answer to your question is: it means nothing to me | 10:09 |
| vgrade | rah: \o , did you see my reply re Allwinner | 10:09 |
| rah | vgrade: I did, thank you | 10:09 |
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| rah | vgrade: I have a Pengpod 1000 and some A31 tablets and boxes, like an Mele A1000G | 10:10 |
| locusf | we shojld discuss free as in feeedom instead of open | 10:10 |
| rah | vgrade: I've seen that there are instructions for rebuilding the images with the Mer SDK, which I'll attempt | 10:10 |
| locusf | which Sailfish isn't | 10:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ack | 10:11 |
| vgrade | rah: you should be able to run on those | 10:11 |
| rah | vgrade: aye | 10:11 |
| vgrade | rah: I'm working cubieboards, eoma68 and H6 netbook. Let me know if you have any probs | 10:13 |
| faenil | rah, okay, so you're saying that you don't know if you think core and middleware is open either | 10:14 |
| rah | faenil: no, I'm saying I don't know what "open" means | 10:14 |
| rah | faenil: I have a good idea about what is free software and what isn't | 10:14 |
| faenil | rah, *you* know what open is, right? *your* open, the one you're saying sailfish isn't | 10:14 |
| rah | faenil: I don't have an open | 10:15 |
| faenil | rah, ok let's not use the word open | 10:15 |
| faenil | rah, does the current status of core and middleware of sailfish please you? | 10:15 |
| faenil | that's less ambiguous maybe | 10:15 |
| rah | faenil: ok, I lied, I don't have a good idea about what is free software and what isn't :-) | 10:15 |
| faenil | :) | 10:16 |
| faenil | that's why my question was not pointless :) | 10:16 |
| rah | faenil: looking at the architecture diagram here https://sailfishos.org/about-architecture.html and going by what Stskeeps has said, it would appear that much of "Sailfish" is non-free | 10:17 |
| rah | faenil: but I'm not sure if the word "Sailfish" is intended to exclude the non-free Jolla parts of the architecture | 10:17 |
| faenil | rah, yeah because there UI and middleware are in the same block | 10:17 |
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| faenil | rah, no Sailfish is all of that | 10:17 |
| rah | faenil: if Sailfish contains non-free parts then the status of Sailfish does not please me | 10:18 |
| faenil | but my question was about sailfish middleware and core :) | 10:18 |
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| rah | faenil: in fact, I can answer all questions about what pleases me this way: free software pleases me, non-free software does not please me | 10:19 |
| faenil | rah, and I'll go back to my quesiton, do you think core and middleware of sailfish are free software? | 10:19 |
| rah | faenil: so, if Sailfish middleware and core are free software, they please me; if they contain non-free software then they do not please me | 10:19 |
| faenil | I'm asking you if you think they're free software | 10:19 |
| rah | faenil: that's just a question about: what I know about Sailfish | 10:19 |
| faenil | it's important for you to know what you think about stuff before judging :P | 10:19 |
| rah | faenil: I don't know | 10:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yummy sandwich, tasty middle in indigestible wrapper | 10:20 |
| rah | faenil: do Sailfish middleware and core contain non-free parts? | 10:20 |
| faenil | rah, Mer and Nemo are free software imho | 10:20 |
| rah | faenil: good for you | 10:21 |
| faenil | rah, and for you, since you like free software ;) | 10:21 |
| stephg | mer and nemo categorically are | 10:21 |
| fk_lx | of course mer and nemo is free software | 10:21 |
| faenil | got to go, but to helsinki leaving soon, cya people | 10:22 |
| stephg | woo | 10:22 |
| faenil | rah, we may continue another time :) | 10:22 |
| stephg | have fun | 10:22 |
| faenil | sure! | 10:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you probably should publish a dictionary, for looking up all the new meanings you created for known words | 10:22 |
| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, me? :) | 10:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | whoever thinks his point of view about all thatjolla/sailfish/nemo dungeon was something you could sell to the world as the latest hottest shit | 10:24 |
| faenil | lol | 10:24 |
| faenil | bbl | 10:24 |
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| rah | we may continue another time | 10:27 |
| rah | buuuuuut... we may not | 10:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2013-11-27 10:45:41] <faenil> DocScrutinizer05, Nemo is a distro [2013-11-27 10:49:53] <faenil> Nemo and Mer are parts of sailfish | 10:29 |
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| fk_lx | DocScrutinizer05: Sailfish is based on Nemo, just like Kubuntu is based on Ubuntu | 10:30 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | rather like homematic system is based on debian | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or tivo | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or macOS is based on unix? | 10:38 |
| jussi | yes, kinda..' | 10:39 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | well, "Jolla is powered by Sailfish OS, a truly open and distinct mobile operating system. " is pretty misguiding then | 10:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | probably the creative use of words starts with "is powered by" | 10:49 |
| sledges | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BWjRqprCYAAH9QV.jpg:large | 10:51 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, nemo seems nice, unless raped by sailfish | 10:54 |
| sledges | sailfish has a long sword nose.. | 10:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can do severe harm to a little clownfish | 10:55 |
| stephg | s/raped/protected/ | 10:55 |
| stephg | (imo) | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, like unix is protected by macOS | 10:56 |
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| stephg | not a legitimate comparison | 10:57 |
| stephg | several of maintainers of mer are jolla employees remember | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw protected from what exactly? | 10:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | from the threat called user? | 10:58 |
| stephg | c.f. kernel devs being employees of Canonical or RedHat | 10:58 |
| stephg | I'm just saying I think you have it up-side-down | 10:58 |
| stephg | sailfish is not 'aggressive' towards nemo | 10:58 |
| stephg | infact it's absolutely dependent on it | 10:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | exploit was the better word | 10:59 |
| stephg | no, it's not | 10:59 |
| sledges | DocScrutinizer05, as per logo, Nemo is not a fish (no need to finding it ;)): http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00808.html | 10:59 |
| sledges | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captain_Nemo | 11:00 |
| stephg | DocScrutinizer05 in your opinion then, how have they 'exploited' it | 11:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, wasn't that a pretty weird character? | 11:01 |
| sledges | it still is, but we are working on him :) | 11:02 |
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| sledges | "he is a scientific genius who roams the depths of the sea in his submarine, the Nautilus" | 11:02 |
| sledges | Nemo tries to project a stern, controlled confidence, but he is driven by a thirst for vengeance and a hatred of imperialism | 11:03 |
| sledges | He is also wracked by remorse over the deaths of his crew members and even by the deaths of enemy sailors. | 11:03 |
| sledges | :D | 11:03 |
| sledges | we had some nice brainstorms: https://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg00737.html | 11:05 |
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| zbenjamin | compiling Qt on Arch sucks :/ python and bison are both incompatible | 13:53 |
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| sledges | 8) | 13:56 |
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| zbenjamin | is there no other rolling release distribution out there thats useable? | 13:59 |
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| sledges | no pain no gain zbenjamin ;) | 14:00 |
| zbenjamin | pffft ;) | 14:01 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin is a Qt compiling freak ;) | 14:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: no I'm not :O | 14:01 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: don't make me grep the backlog :D | 14:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm using fedora | 14:02 |
| * zbenjamin tried to play with apitrace yesterday... but the ui thingy always crashes | 14:02 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I tried a mandriva derived (mageia) | 14:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | and used debian too | 14:02 |
| zbenjamin | how is fedora these days? | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | all worked successfully in compiling Qt | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 5.0.X -> 5.2.X | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | zbenjamin: yum is slow | 14:02 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's all | 14:02 |
| zbenjamin | well thats what you get for living near the edge when using Arch. Up 2 date packages... but most stuff is only compatible to ubuntu and breaks with the most recent releases | 14:03 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | zbenjamin: I used to have stuff fun with roling | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and then I learnt the benefits of stability | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so F19 for me | 14:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and only the backported KDE | 14:04 |
| zbenjamin | arch is pretty stable | 14:04 |
| zbenjamin | didn't break for me in the last year i think | 14:04 |
| sledges | Ubuntu rumoured to go rolling - just imagine how all Ubuntu-compatible SDKs would break (TI, Freescale, Peta, ..... :D) | 14:05 |
| zbenjamin | but it of course messes things up when you compile your own libraries or apps, and one of the system libraries is updated to a version thats not backwards compatible | 14:05 |
| * sledges has a vm for each, at work | 14:05 | |
| zbenjamin | imho rolling is the way to go, all this reinstalling sucks... | 14:06 |
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| sledges | yes, but that is a maintainer's nightmare (rpm still not fixed under arch..), and if a package is as big as an SDK.. | 14:06 |
| zbenjamin | i upgraded the last 2 ubuntu versions and it always broke | 14:06 |
| sledges | system upgrade never ever worked for me, always reinstall; that's why i switched to rolling, and keep stable ubuntus in VMs | 14:08 |
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| zbenjamin | how open will the jollpa phone be? | 14:22 |
| zbenjamin | open as in, easy to flash another firmware | 14:22 |
| zbenjamin | sorry for the use of "open" again | 14:22 |
| zbenjamin | and will drivers and stuff be available? like for googles nexus phones? | 14:23 |
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| twobob | another day, another try | 16:21 |
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