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| sledges | wiki updated, hope next week brings us fixes | 00:03 |
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| lbee | Hi all | 01:33 |
| lbee | I try new nemo image 20131120 | 01:33 |
| lbee | and i have a frozen home screen | 01:34 |
| lbee | you guys give temporary fix using terminal | 01:34 |
| lbee | but i do not know where to fix it | 01:35 |
| lbee | I even not able to access to termimal client | 01:35 |
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| lbee | Also i use ubiboot, when go back Harmattan, device clock set to 1970 :) | 02:29 |
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| coderus | faenil: locusf: hello! what kernel should i use with ubiboot to boot to nemo on my n9? ;) | 07:27 |
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| lbee | i dont need a kernel to boot to nemo, ubiboot is great :) | 07:42 |
| coderus | you mean using default harmattan kernel in ubiboot to boot nemo? | 07:43 |
| locusf | I have no clue about ubiboot | 07:48 |
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| lbee | i think ubiboot has it own kernel which you flash at last step installation, and Nemo also have his own kernel so no need any kernel to work | 07:52 |
| lbee | locusf: can you help me with my early question? | 07:54 |
| locusf | lbee you could use usb-networking to use ssh for recovery | 07:57 |
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| lbee | thank you, this is my first try Nemo, i wanna test wayland+qt5. Also nice ui & quick boot :) | 07:59 |
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| locusf | :) | 08:09 |
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| coderus | i booted to Nemo | 08:16 |
| coderus | now i see blue splashscreen and nothing can do | 08:16 |
| coderus | it means frozen homescreen too? | 08:17 |
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| locusf | hmm, which image did you download? | 08:18 |
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| faenil | morning people :) | 08:21 |
| faenil | coderus, hey, which version of ubiboot are you using? | 08:22 |
| faenil | if it's very old you might need to modify the .conf file to add something for nemo to boot to wayland | 08:22 |
| coderus | locusf: your torrent | 08:22 |
| coderus | faenil: i'm using last versions ;) | 08:23 |
| faenil | coderus, please doublecheck G_NEMO_PREINIT variable in ubiboot.conf | 08:23 |
| faenil | coderus, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland#Boot_:_ubiboot__.28ONLY_NEEDED_FOR_UBIBOOT_0.3.4_OR_OLDER.29 | 08:24 |
| coderus | faenil: you have old ubiboot | 08:24 |
| coderus | faenil: there are no G_NEMO section not | 08:25 |
| coderus | G_OS3 instead | 08:25 |
| faenil | yeah that should be for <= 0.3.4 only | 08:25 |
| faenil | well, look for the vram option | 08:25 |
| faenil | and see if it's set to the nemo OSx | 08:25 |
| coderus | G_OS3_INIT_CMDLINE_APPENDS="vram=6m omapfb.vram=0:6M" is here ;) | 08:26 |
| zbenjamin | just ordered my jolla ;) | 08:26 |
| zbenjamin | soon the days of android in my pocket will be over!!!! *evil laugh* | 08:27 |
| coderus | G_OS3_INITSCRIPT="\/sbin\/init" | 08:27 |
| coderus | faenil: what should i see after loading? | 08:27 |
| coderus | faenil: isnt it freezing bug described in wiki? | 08:28 |
| faenil | coderus, well, the homescreen | 08:28 |
| faenil | coderus, not sure, I'm not up to date since I started the internship :/ | 08:28 |
| coderus | how to ssh to device now? | 08:28 |
| faenil | coderus, though you should be to ssh | 08:29 |
| faenil | eh | 08:29 |
| faenil | right there :D | 08:29 |
| faenil | coderus, connect to usb, setup network management from your distro tool | 08:29 |
| coderus | faenil: dhcp not working on device | 08:29 |
| faenil | and ssh nemo@192.168.2.15 | 08:29 |
| faenil | no, you have to do it manually | 08:29 |
| sledges | coderus: faenil: the known bug in wiki is about frozen homescreen, not blue splashscreen | 08:30 |
| coderus | i tried 2.15 but host not responding | 08:30 |
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| coderus | faenil: seems not loaded correctly | 08:30 |
| faenil | coderus, have you setup the network for that device on your distro yet? | 08:30 |
| faenil | you have to assign the ip address manually | 08:30 |
| niqt | morning | 08:30 |
| coderus | faenil: stop talking me as with noob :D | 08:30 |
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| faenil | coderus, well you *are* nemo noob :) we have to make sure we're not skipping steps, don't take it personally :P | 08:31 |
| sledges | there is no dhcp on device | 08:31 |
| faenil | coderus, otherwise you would already know how to fix it yourself, right? ;) | 08:32 |
| sledges | what does dmesg say when you plugin usb cable, coderus ? | 08:32 |
| coderus | faenil: i know how to up connection in my host os :D | 08:32 |
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| coderus | faenil: lets talking about nemo | 08:32 |
| faenil | coderus, well, if you host saw a networking device via usb | 08:32 |
| faenil | then ssh will work | 08:33 |
| faenil | if not, you did not do something :P | 08:33 |
| coderus | sledges: [ 7675.535736] usb 3-2: USB disconnect, device number 45 | 08:33 |
| coderus | [ 7675.536162] cdc_ether 3-2:1.0 usb0: unregister 'cdc_ether' usb-0000:0b:00.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device | 08:33 |
| coderus | [ 7675.736841] userif-3: sent link down event. | 08:33 |
| coderus | [ 7675.736855] userif-3: sent link up event. | 08:33 |
| sledges | that shows as if usb was disconnected | 08:34 |
| sledges | (unplug even) | 08:34 |
| sledges | is the cable/n9 socket ok? | 08:35 |
| coderus | sledges: sure | 08:36 |
| faenil | coderus, and you've already tried rebooting I guess | 08:37 |
| faenil | in the past there were issues with first boot and pvr_init procedures | 08:37 |
| coderus | faenil: yup | 08:38 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: will the new desktop (glacier) be a complete rewrite? or use stuff from the current one? like liblipstick | 08:38 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, of course we'll use lipstick :D | 08:38 |
| zbenjamin | just asking | 08:38 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, yeah :) | 08:38 |
| coderus | faenil: every boot stuck at blue splashscreen | 08:38 |
| zbenjamin | did anyone look at hiding the desktop when its not shown? | 08:38 |
| zbenjamin | to save cycles? | 08:39 |
| faenil | coderus, okay so, do you see the whole splashscreen? or maybe one part is black | 08:39 |
| zbenjamin | i maybe could try to take a look | 08:39 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, yes please, it's been on the todo for long time :D | 08:39 |
| coderus | faenil: whole. lanscape-oriented | 08:39 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: congrats on preorder zbenjamin ! | 08:39 |
| faenil | coderus, ok | 08:39 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: yay thx ;) | 08:39 |
| zbenjamin | hope shipment won't take too long | 08:39 |
| zbenjamin | brb | 08:39 |
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| faenil | coderus, I wonder what's wrong if you can't even get ssh working :/ | 08:40 |
| rah | vgrade: are you still working on Allwinner ports? | 08:40 |
| coderus | faenil: sledges: its 192.168.2.15, right? | 08:40 |
| faenil | yes | 08:40 |
| coderus | =( then and v_v | 08:41 |
| faenil | coderus, so which image did you flash, 04-11? | 08:41 |
| coderus | i not flashed | 08:42 |
| faenil | ? | 08:42 |
| faenil | extract | 08:42 |
| sledges | coderus: normal output on dmesg for usb plug: https://pastee.org/972pk (I hope you are not running NetworkManager on your linux host PC) | 08:42 |
| coderus | sledges: yes, nm here | 08:42 |
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| coderus | faenil: nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd-0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-04.1.tar.bz2 | 08:43 |
| faenil | ok, so that should work | 08:43 |
| sledges | coderus: but that should not cause 'usb networking disconnect' | 08:43 |
| sledges | on dmesg | 08:43 |
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| sledges | is first thing to sort out | 08:43 |
| faenil | I wonder if there's something wrong with the ubiboot setup... mmm | 08:43 |
| sledges | faenil: +1 | 08:43 |
| sledges | was about to say that | 08:43 |
| faenil | coderus, so, you just extracted to Alt_OS and selected Nemo icon from boot | 08:44 |
| sledges | also, you shoul be able to telnet from ubiboot bootloader, for a test | 08:44 |
| coderus | sledges: full output is: | 08:44 |
| faenil | or permissions... | 08:44 |
| coderus | [ 8088.606912] usb 3-2: new high-speed USB device number 51 using xhci_hcd | 08:44 |
| coderus | [ 8088.627606] usb 3-2: New USB device found, idVendor=0525, idProduct=a4a2 | 08:44 |
| coderus | [ 8088.627617] usb 3-2: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 | 08:44 |
| coderus | [ 8088.627623] usb 3-2: Product: RNDIS/Ethernet Gadget | 08:44 |
| coderus | [ 8088.627628] usb 3-2: Manufacturer: Linux 2.6.32.20130129.1-n950 with musb_hdrc | 08:44 |
| coderus | [ 8088.627632] usb 3-2: SerialNumber: 4D656D6F7269 | 08:44 |
| sledges | coderus: pastebin pls | 08:44 |
| coderus | [ 8088.630847] cdc_ether 3-2:1.0 usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:0b:00.0-2, CDC Ethernet Device, 02:36:42:52:f4:ed | 08:44 |
| coderus | faenil: hmm, permissions... | 08:44 |
| coderus | sledges: | 08:44 |
| coderus | sledges: ok | 08:44 |
| faenil | coderus, what options did you use to extract the image | 08:44 |
| coderus | faenil: who should own nemo? | 08:44 |
| faenil | nemo I think | 08:45 |
| faenil | what options did you use for tar | 08:45 |
| sledges | /home/nemo uid is 1000000 on dev | 08:45 |
| faenil | yes | 08:45 |
| sledges | 100000 | 08:45 |
| sledges | :D | 08:45 |
| faenil | that is the problem imho | 08:45 |
| coderus | faenil: tar xvfj nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd-0.20130801.2.NEMO.2013-11-04.1.tar.bz2 -C /media/Alt_OS | 08:46 |
| faenil | maybe he didn't use --numeric-owner while extracting | 08:46 |
| coderus | faenil: :D | 08:46 |
| faenil | ah, right there :D | 08:46 |
| sledges | and sudo | 08:46 |
| faenil | ^^^ | 08:46 |
| faenil | coderus, :P | 08:46 |
| coderus | okay, will redo now :) | 08:46 |
| faenil | coderus, :) yeah, check the command on Nemo installing guide | 08:47 |
| faenil | sudo tar --numeric-owner -xf nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-*.tar.bz2 -C /media/Alt_OS/ | 08:47 |
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| sledges | hint: you can minimise NAND wear'n'tear via `sudo rsync -rlpgovc --delete src dest` | 08:47 |
| * zbenjamin updates nemo | 08:48 | |
| zbenjamin | any danger on udating atm? | 08:48 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Wayland.2FQt5 | 08:48 |
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| sledges | in red *g* | 08:49 |
| zbenjamin | ugh | 08:49 |
| zbenjamin | where does this come from? | 08:49 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: one or both of the two commits: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-11-22.log.html#t2013-11-22T10:49:15 | 08:51 |
| sledges | apparently works fine on jolla :/ | 08:51 |
| zbenjamin | hm mouse grabbing | 08:52 |
| sledges | and iirc is intermittent - some reboots do not expose the bug | 08:52 |
| zbenjamin | is it maybe not freezing but the mouse is never released? | 08:54 |
| zbenjamin | maybe even on a touch device? | 08:54 |
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| sledges | zbenjamin: yes | 08:56 |
| sledges | i did not go into details on wiki | 08:56 |
| coderus | booted and see homescreen now :D | 08:56 |
| coderus | faenil: sledges: thanks :D | 08:56 |
| sledges | coderus: \o/ | 08:56 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: would restarting lipstick fix it? | 08:56 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: touch-down is received, touch-up never | 08:56 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: no | 08:56 |
| sledges | not for me | 08:56 |
| sledges | only odd reboots | 08:56 |
| zbenjamin | ugly | 08:57 |
| sledges | well | 08:57 |
| sledges | just two commits to examine ;) | 08:57 |
| zbenjamin | yeah ;) | 08:57 |
| faenil | coderus, \o/ | 08:57 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, basically I think someone in there is expecting a TouchRelease and only receiving a MouseRelease instead | 08:58 |
| faenil | something like that | 08:58 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: yeah ungrab mouse is never called, first step would be to find where the mouse is usually ungrabbed | 09:00 |
| coderus | faenil: please give me link to setup build target | 09:01 |
| faenil | coderus, look for "armv7 development guide" on wiki | 09:01 |
| sledges | no matches | 09:02 |
| sledges | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Armv7hl_Development_Guide | 09:02 |
| sledges | (wiki search engine.... :D) | 09:02 |
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| faenil | grrr :D | 09:03 |
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| coderus | faenil: sledges: thanks :) | 09:12 |
| faenil | np | 09:14 |
| faenil | 20th november image still has the bug right? | 09:18 |
| faenil | sledges, ^ | 09:19 |
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| locusf | yeah it does have it | 09:40 |
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| faenil | back o/ | 09:54 |
| gry | hi | 09:56 |
| faenil | hi | 10:02 |
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| sledges | chriadam|away said on friday on that bug: sledges: that's indicative of a lurking bug in the implementation :-/ i've mentioned the problem to mjones, hopefully he will look into it further. | 10:18 |
| sledges | and when i confirmed those two commits bisected made it all work: <chriadam> sledges: that's mildly terrifying | 10:19 |
| sledges | :) | 10:19 |
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| sledges | s/bisected/reverted/ | 10:21 |
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| coderus | hey | 10:43 |
| coderus | can i use virtualbox mer build for Nemo? | 10:43 |
| coderus | i have working Sailfish target | 10:43 |
| coderus | can be some easy way to setup build engine here? | 10:43 |
| locusf | it should work | 10:44 |
| dm8tbr | you can just add targets/engines there | 10:46 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC there was a blog-post | 10:47 |
| dm8tbr | check planet | 10:47 |
| dm8tbr | http://planet.devaamo.fi/nemo/ | 10:47 |
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| coderus | dm8tbr: thanks. but why half of text is covered? | 11:00 |
| locusf | coderus: its because Sailfish SDK already has armv7hl toolchain | 11:00 |
| locusf | (I'm the author of the blog btw) | 11:00 |
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| coderus | locusf: i see, thnaks. | 11:05 |
| coderus | locusf: can you write size of nemo-wayland target file? | 11:05 |
| * coderus have limited mandwidth here, downloading big file can take weeks or so :D | 11:06 | |
| coderus | *bandwidth | 11:06 |
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| locusf | coderus: 154MB | 11:06 |
| coderus | okay, added to favs, will do that tomorrow :) | 11:07 |
| dm8tbr | coderus: hint, it's a planet, it has maaaany posts | 11:12 |
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| zbenjamin | you know what would be awesome? A Nemomobile other half, that boots nemo if its attached to the phone | 11:34 |
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| zbenjamin | so you could use one phone for hacking and daily use | 11:35 |
| sledges | ;) nice | 11:35 |
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| coderus | dm8tbr: i read. its seems interesting blog. | 11:57 |
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| dm8tbr | it's a planet, not a blog | 11:58 |
| coderus | dm8tbr: planet, aha. Roget that. | 11:59 |
| dm8tbr | it aggregates blogs | 11:59 |
| coderus | dm8tbr: sure. | 11:59 |
| dm8tbr | if there are blogs missing, give me blog URLs and I'll add them | 12:01 |
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| sandy_locke | what's the command to non-persistently flash firmware on n9 ? | 12:52 |
| sledges | s/firmware/kernel/ | 12:52 |
| sledges | ? | 12:52 |
| sledges | sudo ../flasher -k usr/share/moslo/zImage-moslo -n usr/share/moslo/initrd-moslo -l -b | 12:52 |
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| sledges | it will flash one-off moslo, from where you can launch nemo | 12:53 |
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| sandy_locke | sledges: no no, I'm looking to boot into ubiboot kernel ;) | 12:57 |
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| sandy_locke | I have (again) flashed n9 to repair some stuffs ^^ | 12:58 |
| sledges | /o\ | 12:59 |
| sledges | :) | 13:00 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: sudo ../flasher -k ubiboot-02_040613 -l -b (ubiboot's kernel image) | 13:01 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: thx :) | 13:01 |
| sandy_locke | I'll use your guide on nemo wiki, I'll tell you how it goes ;) | 13:01 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: good luck :D | 13:03 |
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| sandy_locke | ouch sledges : http://pastie.org/8507330 ^^ | 13:12 |
| sandy_locke | no sdb2 here ^^ | 13:12 |
| sledges | press u | 13:13 |
| sledges | and repaste | 13:13 |
| sledges | the l | 13:13 |
| sledges | output | 13:13 |
| sledges | (the p) | 13:13 |
| sledges | (not l) | 13:13 |
| sledges | ;P | 13:13 |
| sandy_locke | https://pastee.org/q6fc9 | 13:14 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I figured out ;) | 13:14 |
| sledges | omg what has it done there?! | 13:14 |
| sledges | :) | 13:15 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 13:15 |
| sandy_locke | so what I did : flash with no-preserve and without zeroizing rootfs | 13:15 |
| sandy_locke | then flash again with no-preserve the mmc partition | 13:16 |
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| sledges | why did you reflash again ooi? :) | 13:16 |
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| sandy_locke | because I did sth wrong on harmattan and it didn't want to boot | 13:16 |
| sandy_locke | + before that there were crashes everywhere | 13:16 |
| sledges | :o | 13:17 |
| sandy_locke | I have a really reluctant n9 | 13:17 |
| sandy_locke | the crashes happened just after the zeroizing | 13:17 |
| sandy_locke | really odd | 13:17 |
| sledges | so you are willing to dualboot harmattan? | 13:17 |
| sandy_locke | I wonder if something is broken on my flash memory | 13:18 |
| sandy_locke | yup | 13:18 |
| sandy_locke | I would like to keep harmattan | 13:18 |
| sandy_locke | but each time harmattan just crashes whenever I install apps via command line | 13:18 |
| sledges | well | 13:18 |
| sandy_locke | and sometimes when installing apps via the store | 13:19 |
| sledges | now your partition table looks horrid | 13:19 |
| sandy_locke | right now, harmattan seems stable, but there's a mess with my partitions ^^ | 13:19 |
| sandy_locke | yup | 13:19 |
| sledges | hmph | 13:19 |
| sledges | it should look like: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Finalising_step | 13:19 |
| sledges | so create sdb2 and sdb4 manually | 13:19 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I know ^^ | 13:19 |
| sledges | and nemo will go | 13:19 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:19 |
| sledges | along with harma | 13:19 |
| sledges | if harma is stable stable, you can just create sdb4 and try to go ahead like that | 13:20 |
| sandy_locke | so sdb2 is between 160513 and 419584 ? | 13:20 |
| sledges | this is the reason i just wrote you the line ^ | 13:20 |
| sledges | ;) | 13:20 |
| sledges | as im unsure about sdb2 | 13:20 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:20 |
| sledges | nothing hurts to re-create sdb2 | 13:20 |
| sledges | try to mount it | 13:21 |
| sledges | if it fails | 13:21 |
| sledges | recreate it between 288513 419584 | 13:21 |
| sandy_locke | I can't mount it, it's not in /dev | 13:21 |
| sledges | 13:21 < sledges> nothing hurts to re-create sdb2 | 13:21 |
| sledges | 13:21 < sledges> try to mount it | 13:21 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:21 |
| sledges | but if harma works | 13:21 |
| sledges | i'd just create sdb4 | 13:21 |
| sledges | if that mounts, apply "as long as it works, don't touch it" rule :D | 13:22 |
| sandy_locke | ok sdb2 created, now how do I let it show in linux ? | 13:23 |
| sledges | it's there | 13:23 |
| sandy_locke | do I write the partition table with fdisk ? | 13:23 |
| sledges | yes | 13:23 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: sdb2 is rootfs ? | 13:25 |
| sledges | afaik yes | 13:25 |
| sledges | or /home | 13:25 |
| sandy_locke | ok good :D | 13:25 |
| sledges | \o/ | 13:25 |
| sledges | ok then carry on ;) | 13:25 |
| sandy_locke | now time for sdb4 | 13:26 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: between what cylinders ? | 13:26 |
| sledges | as in wiki | 13:27 |
| sledges | ouch | 13:27 |
| sledges | you just gave too much for sdb2 ;P | 13:27 |
| sledges | or | 13:27 |
| sledges | it hasn't been resized at all :O | 13:27 |
| sandy_locke | ? | 13:27 |
| sledges | i forgot if ext3 signature is at the end of partition or beginning | 13:28 |
| sledges | +crc | 13:28 |
| sledges | so | 13:28 |
| sledges | now you have no free space left | 13:28 |
| sledges | your device is returned to normal pre-nemo state | 13:28 |
| sandy_locke | what about between 160513 and 288512 ? | 13:28 |
| sledges | just launch moslo again | 13:28 |
| sledges | 13:20 < sandy_locke> so sdb2 is between 160513 and 419584 ? | 13:29 |
| sandy_locke | no | 13:29 |
| sledges | which ones did you put in the end? | 13:29 |
| sandy_locke | "/dev/sdb2 288513 419584 4194304 83 Linux" | 13:29 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: ^ | 13:30 |
| sledges | and that mounted? | 13:30 |
| sandy_locke | yup | 13:31 |
| sledges | great! means it's all resized nice | 13:31 |
| sledges | so just stick sdb4 there in between :$ | 13:31 |
| sandy_locke | ok :) | 13:31 |
| sledges | although you will have shrunk MyDocs (why?) and more space to nemo (yay!) | 13:31 |
| sledges | ;) | 13:31 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: the homeActive property in lipstick compositor and homeapplication. Is this what we are looking for? | 13:32 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: sdb2 won't umount : busy ?! | 13:33 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, don't know, I don't know what checks and draws if needed | 13:33 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: ok | 13:33 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: have you cd`ed into it anywhere? | 13:34 |
| sandy_locke | yes, I found it ;) | 13:35 |
| zbenjamin | man creator is crashing on me all the time | 13:35 |
| sandy_locke | so sdb4 can't mount because it needs partition type with mount command | 13:35 |
| sandy_locke | it must be normal ? | 13:35 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: | 13:37 |
| sledges | format it | 13:37 |
| sledges | ;) | 13:37 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:37 |
| sandy_locke | I was hoping the files would still be there ^^ | 13:37 |
| sledges | no | 13:40 |
| sledges | because this time you specified different partition boundaries | 13:40 |
| sledges | iirc your mydocs was different before, no? | 13:40 |
| sledges | you can go with wiki numbers and try mount that first | 13:40 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: mmh I don't know, the last flash I made on both rootfs and mmc partitions must have altered stuffs, no ? | 13:41 |
| sandy_locke | Or should I try ? | 13:41 |
| sledges | nothing hurts to try | 13:41 |
| sledges | to mount | 13:41 |
| sledges | ;) | 13:41 |
| sandy_locke | k | 13:41 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 13:41 |
| sandy_locke | I'll note the actual table numbers then ;) | 13:42 |
| sledges | no-preserve might have shuffled you cards yes | 13:42 |
| sledges | but give it a shot | 13:42 |
| sandy_locke | ok, what command to change cylinders ? | 13:43 |
| sledges | delete | 13:43 |
| sledges | create | 13:43 |
| sledges | :D | 13:43 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 13:44 |
| sandy_locke | old fashion :P | 13:44 |
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| sledges | no other way simply ;) | 13:45 |
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| sandy_locke | sledges: nope, it asks for partition file type | 13:49 |
| sandy_locke | so it's a no go | 13:49 |
| sandy_locke | :/ | 13:49 |
| sandy_locke | I take it back to it's former values | 13:49 |
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| sledges | sandy_locke: ok | 13:52 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: aaargh ! /dev/sdb1 is now at 33 not 17 so it won't mount ! | 13:52 |
| sandy_locke | "doesn't hurt" hey ? :P | 13:53 |
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| sandy_locke | sledges: ^ can I flash the mmc again w/o messing everything up ? | 13:55 |
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| sledges | sandy_locke: it was at 33 also before | 14:01 |
| sledges | all worked | 14:01 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: who asked to delete them all? ;P | 14:01 |
| sandy_locke | nope, it was 17, I still have the old table | 14:01 |
| sledges | just quit fdisk ;) | 14:01 |
| sledges | without writing | 14:01 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: grrrr ;) | 14:01 |
| sledges | (whew) | 14:02 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: no, I pasted it somewhere ^^ | 14:02 |
| sledges | :D | 14:02 |
| sledges | ? | 14:02 |
| sandy_locke | so it's the new table now, written and all | 14:02 |
| sledges | with 33? | 14:02 |
| sandy_locke | https://pastee.org/dhnuy | 14:02 |
| sledges | that won't blow up | 14:02 |
| sandy_locke | (old table ^) | 14:02 |
| sledges | right | 14:02 |
| sledges | 17 | 14:02 |
| sandy_locke | yes, with 33 the new one | 14:02 |
| sledges | hmph | 14:03 |
| sledges | :D | 14:03 |
| sledges | which one did you just paste then? | 14:03 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, won't blow up but MyDocs will be gone if I format | 14:03 |
| sandy_locke | the old one | 14:03 |
| sandy_locke | it's a paste before the changes | 14:03 |
| sandy_locke | actual table https://pastee.org/9hj23 | 14:04 |
| sledges | ok | 14:04 |
| sledges | isn't your mydocs empty? | 14:04 |
| sledges | in any case | 14:04 |
| sledges | on a fresh system | 14:04 |
| sandy_locke | more or less, but thing is, without MyDocs created by the flash, there are errors everywhere, I tried ;) | 14:05 |
| sandy_locke | you can create it manually, but it won't be recognized by harmattan, don't ask me why | 14:05 |
| sledges | ok, i'll look for remedy | 14:05 |
| sledges | se | 14:05 |
| sledges | sec | 14:05 |
| sandy_locke | thx :D | 14:05 |
| sandy_locke | (or I know why, because MyDocs is mounted folder of sdb1) | 14:07 |
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| sledges | erm | 14:09 |
| sledges | if it's still mounted | 14:09 |
| sledges | you could make a backup of its initial directory structure | 14:09 |
| sledges | if everything else will fail | 14:09 |
| sledges | anyway, try to launch fdisk with -c=nodos option | 14:09 |
| sledges | and delete part 1, and create from 17 | 14:09 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: nope, it's still 33 ^^ | 14:11 |
| sandy_locke | and sdb1 is not mounted anymore, otherwise fdisk won't write table | 14:11 |
| sledges | me (and you) will need to learn sfdisk | 14:11 |
| sledges | it can do <33 | 14:11 |
| sandy_locke | I was wondering ^ | 14:11 |
| sledges | pity it did write it somehow ;P | 14:11 |
| sandy_locke | yup | 14:12 |
| sledges | wait | 14:12 |
| sledges | fdisk -c=dos | 14:12 |
| sledges | ! | 14:12 |
| sandy_locke | \o/ | 14:13 |
| sledges | \yay/ | 14:13 |
| sandy_locke | it worked :) | 14:14 |
| sledges | :D | 14:14 |
| sledges | can you mount now? | 14:14 |
| sandy_locke | aaah :D | 14:14 |
| * sandy_locke feels relief | 14:14 | |
| sledges | :)) | 14:14 |
| sandy_locke | yup | 14:14 |
| sledges | niice | 14:14 |
| sledges | good old DOS | 14:14 |
| sledges | :D | 14:14 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 14:15 |
| sandy_locke | it can even start at 1 ;) | 14:15 |
| sandy_locke | ok, now I try to reboot into harmattan, the MOSLO | 14:15 |
| sandy_locke | *then | 14:16 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: you should update the wiki with =dos option | 14:16 |
| sandy_locke | btw, I added the command line for non-persistant boot into ubiboot kernel | 14:17 |
| sandy_locke | boot harmattan : done | 14:18 |
| sandy_locke | boot nemo : done | 14:22 |
| sandy_locke | \o/ | 14:22 |
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| sledges | \o/ | 14:27 |
| sledges | no more app installs on harma pls :DD | 14:28 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I know ;) | 14:28 |
| sledges | or was it dodged MyDocs?.. | 14:28 |
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| sandy_locke | I dunno, but until know I have no more issues with harmattan (finger crosses) | 14:28 |
| sandy_locke | anyway, I don't plan on adding new apps right now, let alone tweaks | 14:29 |
| sandy_locke | I have what I want : the sailfish them ;) | 14:29 |
| sandy_locke | *theme | 14:29 |
| sandy_locke | I will follow its evolution | 14:29 |
| sandy_locke | am upgrading nemo right now | 14:30 |
| sandy_locke | hope I will not stumble on the big icons bug^^ | 14:30 |
| * sledges is singing "Flasher-happy" song | 14:31 | |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 14:34 |
| sandy_locke | is this normal during dup ? : warning: %postun(qt5-qtconcurrent-5.1.0+git17-1.20.4.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 | 14:35 |
| sandy_locke | warning: %postun(qt5-qtlocation-5.1.0+git15-1.16.2.armv7hl) scriptlet failed, exit status 1 | 14:37 |
| w00t | it's fine to ignore | 14:37 |
| sandy_locke | ok, thx w00t :) | 14:38 |
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| sandy_locke | aah, still this annoying big icons bug :/ | 14:50 |
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| sledges | yes cant avoid it until fixed mwhahahaha :) | 15:05 |
| sledges | tmpfix in wiki if you didnt know sandy_locke | 15:05 |
| sledges | Nemo/Installing#Images | 15:06 |
| sandy_locke | ah thx sledges :) | 15:07 |
| sledges | sorry there's no proper "summary information channel" so it would be easier than catching up backlogs | 15:11 |
| sledges | which are ever growing ;) | 15:11 |
| sledges | i'd like to keep twitter devel-details free, some rss feed/wiki page/#nemo-announce irc channel maybe? what do you think fellows? | 15:12 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: yeah, a "latest fixes" add-on in #nemomobile header ? | 15:14 |
| sledges | a, topic | 15:14 |
| sandy_locke | (which link to the wiki) | 15:14 |
| sledges | might get too lengthy to just put things in there ;) | 15:15 |
| sledges | bugzilla could go, all interested would have to simply to subscribe to bugs | 15:16 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: you just write "frozen homescreen: [link to the relevant wiki]" ? | 15:16 |
| sledges | to get updates | 15:16 |
| * sledges needs more opinions on how people use irc. personally i never look into topic ;P | 15:17 | |
| sandy_locke | yeah, it would be a good place to gather bugs too | 15:17 |
| sandy_locke | (to tell the truth, me neither ^^) | 15:17 |
| sledges | e :) | 15:17 |
| sandy_locke | or, we could create a wiki page for bugs ? | 15:18 |
| sandy_locke | to centralize everything | 15:18 |
| sledges | bugzilla is for bugs | 15:18 |
| sandy_locke | ok, so I vote for bugzilla then ;) | 15:19 |
| sledges | yeap :) me too | 15:19 |
| sandy_locke | nemo is still scarce on implementations ... | 15:21 |
| sledges | of what is specced | 15:21 |
| sandy_locke | yeah | 15:21 |
| sledges | i think coderus said could help with gui | 15:22 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, as I said, nice addition to the crew ;) | 15:22 |
| sledges | ^_^ | 15:22 |
| sledges | absolutely, welcome coderus ! | 15:22 |
| sandy_locke | what are your priorities right now ? | 15:22 |
| sledges | 1.maintain stable image (for now with tmpfixes) | 15:23 |
| sledges | (PS: VM also has a tmpfix for transparency glitch) | 15:23 |
| sledges | so that's an ongoing priority | 15:23 |
| sledges | 2.organise *-configs* havoc | 15:24 |
| sledges | 3.make glacier gallery .desktop launchable and include in pattern | 15:24 |
| sandy_locke | ? what's that ? > 2. | 15:24 |
| sledges | we have bunch of *configs* packages that set up env variables | 15:24 |
| sledges | they duplicate, some redundant | 15:24 |
| sledges | needs revising, before i add one more env var required for glacier gallery | 15:24 |
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| sandy_locke | ok | 15:26 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: so how come it's not stable anymore, while this summer it seemed to be ? | 15:27 |
| sledges | because there were no disaster scenarios where it works on jolla phone, and breaks on n9/950 | 15:28 |
| sledges | until now ;P | 15:28 |
| sledges | also, the VM glitch problem apparently does not happen on sailfish emulator vm ;) | 15:29 |
| sandy_locke | you first test images on jolla phones ? | 15:29 |
| sledges | me? | 15:29 |
| sledges | i don't have jolla phone | 15:29 |
| sledges | but those who contribute to nemo middlware (where glitches now occurred), do | 15:29 |
| sandy_locke | ah, yeah ok | 15:29 |
| sledges | and don't test their sailfish anymore on n9 | 15:29 |
| sandy_locke | so sailfish is based on nemo ? or simply mer ? | 15:30 |
| sledges | sailfish middleware is nemo middleware | 15:30 |
| sledges | both use mer as underlying core | 15:30 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 15:31 |
| sandy_locke | I should learn more about how os's are constructed | 15:31 |
| sledges | https://sailfishos.org/images/Sailfish_Architecture.png | 15:31 |
| aard_ | sandy_locke: it's easy, you take a bunch of less-than-insane guys, who stick less-than-broken components together, add some glue in between, and you have your os | 15:32 |
| sandy_locke | lol | 15:32 |
| sandy_locke | thx sledges I keep that in my bookmarks ;) | 15:33 |
| sledges | aard_: lol, less is more :)) | 15:33 |
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| sandy_locke | so why do you keep using sailfish middleware implementations ? | 15:34 |
| sandy_locke | why not stop using it and keep your own stable one ? | 15:34 |
| sledges | that slide is wrong, should be renamed to nemo mw | 15:34 |
| sandy_locke | ah ok | 15:34 |
| sandy_locke | but anyway, you could fork nemo ? | 15:35 |
| sandy_locke | or would it be too hard to implement new stuffs on your own ? | 15:35 |
| sledges | are you talking about middleware split/diverge ? | 15:35 |
| sandy_locke | yes | 15:35 |
| sledges | nemo will work fine on jolla phone | 15:35 |
| sledges | it hw split that's happening | 15:35 |
| aard_ | sandy_locke: it would actually be extremely easy to fork nemo (and merge it back again) nowadays | 15:35 |
| sandy_locke | so why not do that ? | 15:36 |
| sandy_locke | maybe it's useless since nemo will have to be ported to other devices as well ? | 15:36 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: you are suggesting to split a branch for n9 | 15:36 |
| sandy_locke | yes | 15:36 |
| sandy_locke | too keep it stable at some point | 15:37 |
| sledges | when the bugs can still be fixed | 15:37 |
| sandy_locke | mmmh, yeah but it seems more than a hassle ;) | 15:37 |
| sledges | when kernel diverges, that will be another topic | 15:37 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 15:37 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: who will maintain all the middleware? | 15:37 |
| sledges | now jolla 99 times out of 100 fix something in mw | 15:37 |
| aard_ | sandy_locke: three big areas for n9: a) write native statefs providers b) finish kernel upgrade c) get wayland to perform | 15:37 |
| sandy_locke | you ? | 15:37 |
| sledges | and 1 break on n9 | 15:37 |
| aard_ | all the other stuff is not a problem on n9 | 15:37 |
| sandy_locke | mmh ok I see | 15:38 |
| sledges | and you want to do the 99 things yourself instead of fixing 1? well if you have lots of time on your hands ;) | 15:38 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: you have a point ;) | 15:38 |
| aard_ | plus with the 3 areas above mentioned there's a good chance that some of us will start running nemo or sailfish on n9 for fun again, and will detect those kind of problems | 15:39 |
| sledges | and we -have- diverged middleware for tmpfixes -- look at solutions - you need to add my repo ;P | 15:39 |
| sledges | until proper fix is in | 15:39 |
| sandy_locke | I could add your repo, although I would probably not understand half of the changes ;) | 15:40 |
| sandy_locke | aard_: you mean like locusf initiative to port sailfish ui to nemomobile ? | 15:40 |
| sledges | we'll see, where nemo gauges interest, especially whene every fan gets a jolla phone - more among n9/950 users or coming from other devices | 15:41 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: if you didn't add my repo, how did you fix the touch freeze bug? (my repo contains only one [offending] package, its old version, nothing complex :)) | 15:41 |
| aard_ | sandy_locke: I'm one of the bad guys, doing the 1 breakage :p | 15:41 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: ah, you mean on my n9 ? I thought on github, fellow the changes ^^ | 15:42 |
| sledges | yes, n9 | 15:42 |
| sandy_locke | aard_: so you're responsible for all this mess ? :P | 15:42 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I added it, and it works like a charm | 15:43 |
| aard_ | partially | 15:43 |
| sandy_locke | (almost: apps are still in landscape ;)) | 15:43 |
| sledges | that's always been landscape | 15:43 |
| sandy_locke | aard_: and you have no clue how to fix it ? | 15:43 |
| sledges | except for fingerterm | 15:43 |
| sandy_locke | ah ok | 15:43 |
| sandy_locke | why ? | 15:43 |
| sledges | every app needs 5 lines added to support rotation | 15:43 |
| sledges | i can show you relevant commit ;P | 15:43 |
| sandy_locke | landscape is good on n900 but n9 doesn't have a real keyboard | 15:44 |
| aard_ | sandy_locke: I've been a bit busy making a sailfishos release happen lately, so I'm anly aware of the mess from 2 months ago | 15:44 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: chriadam|away, mjones and zbenjamin are looking into this bug | 15:44 |
| aard_ | and back then I tried to dump all info required to make things better | 15:44 |
| sandy_locke | aard_: ok :) you work for jolla or ? | 15:44 |
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| sandy_locke | sledges: yeah, better wait that apps are specced and then change those line... | 15:45 |
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| sledges | sandy_locke: i think that line wont changed, regardless ;) you can make all apps rotate now 1 commitPR per app ;) | 15:46 |
| aard_ | sandy_locke: yep | 15:46 |
| sledges | *won't get changed | 15:46 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: yeah but can a dev tell its app not to rotate, then ? | 15:47 |
| sandy_locke | aard_: nice :) | 15:47 |
| sledges | every app in wayland+qt5 now needs to tell compositor what orientations it's interested in | 15:47 |
| sledges | if it doesn't, it's locked to default | 15:47 |
| sledges | those 5 lines add that | 15:47 |
| sandy_locke | ah ok | 15:49 |
| sandy_locke | don't change them then ;) | 15:49 |
| sledges | you don't want competition from old apps ;D | 15:50 |
| sandy_locke | I still wonder what will be the public for nemo mobile though | 15:50 |
| sandy_locke | I mean, Jolla phones on their way | 15:50 |
| sledges | but jolla ui is closed | 15:50 |
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| sandy_locke | only hadcore users and curious will join | 15:50 |
| sledges | so those who want evergoing innovation, and openness | 15:51 |
| sandy_locke | yeah you're right | 15:51 |
| sledges | everyone knows how sailfish looks like, but we are still gaining followers on twitter for glacier ui etc | 15:51 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, and a lot disappointed when they flash nemo and see that it's not like in the pictures :P | 15:52 |
| sandy_locke | joking | 15:52 |
| sledges | so jolla will become main phone, and other devices - hackable -- all within pure GNU/Linux world as close as can get in your pocket :) | 15:52 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I like it :) | 15:52 |
| sandy_locke | you know, I'm on iPhone right now, due to my work, and it's as closed as can be ! | 15:53 |
| sledges | :D as you can get you mean :)) | 15:54 |
| sandy_locke | ? | 15:54 |
| sandy_locke | maybe I don't understand your sentence ^^ | 15:54 |
| sledges | i read "closed" as "close" | 15:54 |
| sledges | ;P yeap | 15:54 |
| sledges | oxymoron: close to open | 15:55 |
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| sledges | (dam, and punny too) | 15:55 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 15:55 |
| sandy_locke | well, anyway I'm sad that people have to be on closed OS's when they need those for their work | 15:56 |
| sledges | change work | 15:56 |
| sledges | (i did) | 15:56 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 15:56 |
| sledges | :D | 15:56 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I bought a mac because I like apps on it | 15:57 |
| sandy_locke | now if I wan't to be more productive, I need their iOS counterparts | 15:57 |
| sandy_locke | and it's really stable too | 15:57 |
| sandy_locke | but otherwise, I wouldn't choose Apple at all | 15:57 |
| sandy_locke | If I could take it back to starting point, I would go PC with linux and jolla phone | 15:58 |
| sledges | Morpog does design on windows ;) | 15:58 |
| sledges | gimp ftw :) | 15:58 |
| sandy_locke | but I'm too invested in Mac ecosystem now | 15:58 |
| sledges | +inkscape | 15:58 |
| sandy_locke | windows is worst I think, productivity wise | 15:58 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I still use inkscape sometimes | 15:59 |
| sandy_locke | but I'm so more productive with Sketch on mac | 15:59 |
| sandy_locke | you see ? | 15:59 |
| sandy_locke | Linux has still a long way to go UI wise | 15:59 |
| sledges | UI dev wise | 15:59 |
| sandy_locke | it's like staying in the 90's | 15:59 |
| sandy_locke | yeah | 15:59 |
| sandy_locke | as a designer I just can't | 16:00 |
| sandy_locke | for my eyes, and for my productivity ^^ | 16:00 |
| sandy_locke | so I'm bound to Apple that I like it or not :/ | 16:00 |
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| sandy_locke | but all those corporations make me sick | 16:00 |
| sledges | a UX-wise? | 16:01 |
| sledges | what linuces have you tried? | 16:01 |
| sledges | i like gnome-shell | 16:01 |
| sandy_locke | when you hear google and it's point of view on privacy | 16:01 |
| sandy_locke | for instance | 16:01 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, like it too | 16:01 |
| sandy_locke | but it was not yet finished when I bought my mac | 16:02 |
| sandy_locke | and apps still have old gtk2 ui | 16:02 |
| sandy_locke | and old UX as well | 16:02 |
| locusf | KDE is also a choise | 16:02 |
| sandy_locke | the best novelties UX wise is on Mac, sadly | 16:02 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, but KDE make me feel like I'm still in the 90's, with enhancements... | 16:03 |
| sandy_locke | like 90's 2.0 | 16:03 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 16:03 |
| locusf | lol | 16:03 |
| sandy_locke | I love some stuffs in KDE UI/UX though | 16:03 |
| sandy_locke | I think they really thought things through | 16:03 |
| sledges | what about cinnamon? | 16:04 |
| * sledges remembers compiz times and desktop cube :D | 16:04 | |
| sledges | (no comments though :D) | 16:04 |
| sandy_locke | :) | 16:04 |
| sandy_locke | I use elementary now, in VM | 16:04 |
| sandy_locke | it's clean and simple | 16:04 |
| sandy_locke | for my use as a VM it's what's best I think | 16:04 |
| sledges | i use openbox everywhere else | 16:04 |
| sandy_locke | based on gnome | 16:04 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, before I had a mac I was on ArchLinux and OpenBox :) | 16:05 |
| sandy_locke | but Arch changed their fs architecture | 16:05 |
| sandy_locke | it was so easy to understand before, so well designed ! | 16:05 |
| * sledges hardcore ArchLinux, and when lazy - ArchBang user | 16:05 | |
| sandy_locke | lol | 16:06 |
| sandy_locke | yeah archbang, but it's too much for the lazies | 16:06 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 16:06 |
| sandy_locke | you use Arch because it's customizable in it's very core, easily | 16:06 |
| sledges | ;) | 16:06 |
| sledges | oh yes | 16:06 |
| sledges | previously used gentoo | 16:06 |
| sledges | arch got rid of the compile bit | 16:06 |
| sledges | and pacman ftw | 16:07 |
| sandy_locke | they got rid of pacman ? | 16:07 |
| sledges | *and pacman is ftw | 16:07 |
| sandy_locke | ah | 16:07 |
| sandy_locke | :) | 16:07 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, but the compile bit is what's good | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | pacman ;( | 16:07 |
| Wizzup | gentoo is lovely | 16:07 |
| sledges | lol, let the flames begin :D | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | sandy_locke: ah, can I run arch with openrc? | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | Or rather, without systemd | 16:08 |
| sandy_locke | you can review the sources and compile at your own will | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | would be nice... | 16:08 |
| Wizzup | If I can customize it.. | 16:08 |
| sandy_locke | I think systemd was implemented 2 years ago ? | 16:08 |
| * Wizzup does not see the relevance | 16:09 | |
| sledges | sandy_locke: in gentoo you can enable and disable bits, and tailor to your cpu, but very easy to go wrong if you are not pc architecture expert, and you find that after tens of packages install/uninstall your system slows down, when arch just flies in same laptop | 16:09 |
| sandy_locke | because before they had sth really more easy to customize | 16:09 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 16:09 |
| sledges | happened to ^ | 16:09 |
| sledges | *happened to me | 16:09 |
| Wizzup | sandy_locke: so you're saying it is no longer customisable | 16:09 |
| sandy_locke | Wizzup: more difficult to customize, not impossible ;) | 16:10 |
| Wizzup | so it's gentoo with binary but without any use flags and custimisability | 16:10 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: yeah, gentoo is too complex for me, and now I know that I was right ;) | 16:10 |
| Wizzup | sounds like debian but unstable | 16:10 |
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| sledges | arch is optimised for i686 | 16:12 |
| sandy_locke | Wizzup: http://www.pontikis.net/blog/migration-from-initscripts-to-systemd-on-archlinux | 16:12 |
| sledges | or for x86-64 (also arm version is in works) | 16:12 |
| sandy_locke | before, you could just mkinitcpio your modules to the kernel | 16:12 |
| sandy_locke | now it's more, more complicated | 16:12 |
| Wizzup | sandy_locke: I know, and I hate systemd with a passion | 16:13 |
| sandy_locke | me too ! | 16:13 |
| Wizzup | then arch doesn't sound like the proper distro for you... | 16:13 |
| sandy_locke | but they say it's the future ... | 16:13 |
| sandy_locke | it was, but isn't anymore | 16:13 |
| sledges | why are you hating it? what use-cases did it break for you? | 16:13 |
| sandy_locke | :/ | 16:13 |
| sledges | was painless transition for me | 16:13 |
| * sledges is very curious | 16:13 | |
| sandy_locke | sledges: it's not that it breaks anything, it render things more difficult, while you could just enter a few command lines to get it done with sysvinit | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | the design choices, the lock in it's creating | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | openrc is awesome | 16:14 |
| * Wizzup hopes debian will switch to i | 16:14 | |
| Wizzup | t | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | systemd solves a problem that was never there in the first place | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | anyway | 16:14 |
| Wizzup | I have to run | 16:14 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: so you just said, that for you it breaks a use-case of entering a few command lines to get things done ;P | 16:15 |
| sandy_locke | ok Wizzup see ya :) | 16:15 |
| sledges | ciao! | 16:15 |
| sandy_locke | yeah ok ;) | 16:15 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: ^ | 16:15 |
| sledges | can you give an example? | 16:15 |
| sledges | /etc/rc.d/nfsd start | 16:15 |
| sledges | systemctl start nfsd.service | 16:15 |
| sandy_locke | simple mkinitcpio to add remove modules for instance | 16:15 |
| sledges | right | 16:15 |
| sledges | that's interesting, because i never had to do that (only in times when linux hardware support was so poor, archlinux didn't even exist :D) | 16:16 |
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| sandy_locke | when systemd came on, I didn't want to bother to understand how it worked... it just messed up all my KISS loveliness ;) | 16:16 |
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| sandy_locke | I had to ;) | 16:16 |
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| sledges | well, it's the background you are coming from it seems.. | 16:17 |
| sandy_locke | because I wanted to use some special stuffs that were in my laptop at the time | 16:17 |
| sledges | me too | 16:17 |
| sledges | is when i used gentoo :DD | 16:17 |
| sledges | but since 2010 using arch | 16:17 |
| sledges | and all modules were already in kernel so | 16:17 |
| zbenjamin | faenil: is there already code that should do the hide and show of the compositorwindow? i can't find anything atm | 16:17 |
| sandy_locke | it's been 2/3 years since I haven't used Arch you know, so things may have changed since ;) | 16:18 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, not sure, try w00t | 16:18 |
| sledges | so far is about hw support sandy_locke , that certainly improved | 16:18 |
| faenil | I haven't played that much with lipstick yet | 16:18 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I believe you | 16:18 |
| sandy_locke | but you see sledges , I began to used Arch because of the KISS philosophy | 16:19 |
| sandy_locke | *use | 16:19 |
| sandy_locke | and systemd broke KISS for me :/ | 16:19 |
| sledges | i was astounded when skype showed my video out-of-box on an ArchBang fresh install on a 6year old laptop - it just worked :D | 16:19 |
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| * sledges still can't believe | 16:19 | |
| sandy_locke | Archbang was more complete than a self-compiled Archlinux install ;) | 16:20 |
| sledges | im talking about webcam | 16:20 |
| sledges | is a kernel module | 16:20 |
| sledges | nothing to do with Arch* | 16:20 |
| sledges | used to spend months patching webcam drivers 6 years ago :)) | 16:20 |
| sandy_locke | :D | 16:21 |
| zbenjamin | w00t: is there already code in liblipstick that disables drawing of the homescreen when its not shown-? | 16:21 |
| sandy_locke | yes, it was good when it worked, but some newer stuffs were not there at the time (2010+) | 16:21 |
| sledges | systemd has learning curve, and is accepted by anyone who didn't have to extensively use init/bootscripts by hand | 16:21 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I'm too old fashioned ;) | 16:22 |
| zbenjamin | sandy_locke: i agree with systemd sucks ;) | 16:22 |
| sledges | coming from boottime optimisation experience - i hope best for systemd that it parallelises services booting | 16:22 |
| sandy_locke | I like to feel in control, of every little bits ;) | 16:22 |
| sandy_locke | thx zbenjamin :D | 16:22 |
| zbenjamin | plus it's not really "unix" | 16:23 |
| sledges | but i heard that after transitions (not properly cleaned up?) systemd bootup time is longer, so im ready to bin it if it's true :D | 16:23 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: what are your arguments? | 16:23 |
| sandy_locke | you know, in 1993 I was on RedHat, and I had a graphical interface to add remove modules ;) | 16:23 |
| sledges | relevant to 2013 arguments ;P | 16:23 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: first of all, the speed in boot is not really measurable (at least not for me) | 16:23 |
| zbenjamin | and if it where i think its not worth the more complexity | 16:23 |
| zbenjamin | plus it uses dbus ;) | 16:24 |
| sledges | good point :D | 16:24 |
| sledges | so complexity is introduced with hierarchical tasks' dep ? | 16:24 |
| zbenjamin | and its made by lennart ;) | 16:24 |
| sandy_locke | the only reason I got for them using systemd was to allow animated boot images ! | 16:24 |
| sledges | :D | 16:24 |
| sledges | ok | 16:24 |
| sledges | so i'm outnumbered at least 4:1 (ZogG is also hating systemd :D) | 16:25 |
| sledges | then why's the reason everyone (arch, mer, nemo, who else) switched there? | 16:25 |
| zbenjamin | and if you compare old arch to new arch configuration, its less KISS | 16:25 |
| sandy_locke | if you tasted old systems, you would hate it too I guess | 16:25 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: YES! | 16:26 |
| sledges | i did taste, but i don't need to behave with old systems teh | 16:26 |
| sledges | with new systems the same way i did with old | 16:26 |
| sandy_locke | yeah ofc, but listen to zbenjamin : less KISS :P | 16:26 |
| sledges | it never bothered systemd, so im neutral of having it or not | 16:26 |
| zbenjamin | because its done by lennart , that guy seems to be the new linux jesus | 16:26 |
| sledges | ok, interesting zbenjamin ! | 16:26 |
| zbenjamin | whatever he does seems to be adopted | 16:27 |
| zbenjamin | if it makes sense or not | 16:27 |
| sledges | need to look him up, how come i missed the return of the messiah? | 16:27 |
| faenil | well it's because he works for redhat | 16:27 |
| sledges | :D | 16:27 |
| faenil | so that stuff ends in fedora | 16:27 |
| sandy_locke | the primal philosophy of Arch is to keep things simple, and systemd is *not* | 16:27 |
| faenil | and spreads | 16:27 |
| zbenjamin | pulseaudio | 16:27 |
| sledges | crap | 16:27 |
| zbenjamin | systemd | 16:27 |
| sledges | :D | 16:27 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, you should meet phdeswer :D | 16:28 |
| sledges | i met him | 16:28 |
| zbenjamin | why? | 16:28 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I agree, every new stuffs like that make things more painful to configure | 16:28 |
| faenil | zbenjamin, because he hates those things quite a lot :D | 16:28 |
| faenil | whatever lennart does :D | 16:28 |
| phdeswer | zbenjamin: because I also dislike systemd, pulseaudio etc... | 16:28 |
| zbenjamin | ah then he should meet aep ;) | 16:28 |
| sandy_locke | ah, a newcomer ;) | 16:29 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: rather old ;) | 16:29 |
| sandy_locke | no, I meant in the consensus around systemd ;) | 16:29 |
| zbenjamin | gentoo has its own boot system | 16:30 |
| sandy_locke | I mean, ok for rolling releases, but why , oh why, change stuffs that just work ? | 16:30 |
| zbenjamin | init system i mean | 16:31 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: is it kiss ? | 16:31 |
| zbenjamin | http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Comparison_of_init_systems | 16:31 |
| zbenjamin | is think its openrc | 16:32 |
| phdeswer | afaik it is yes. | 16:32 |
| zbenjamin | sandy_locke: i did not try it, if there was a binary gentoo i might use it | 16:32 |
| zbenjamin | but compiling everything from source? NOPE | 16:33 |
| sledges | but then that defeats the purpose of gentoo | 16:33 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: thats why i use archlinux, its also known as the binary gentoo ;) | 16:33 |
| phdeswer | Afaik there is a partial binary gentoo | 16:34 |
| phdeswer | Or there used to be. | 16:34 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: with systemd as a free choice of 1 :D | 16:34 |
| sandy_locke | OpenRC seems pretty customizable | 16:34 |
| fk_lx | the most unpleasant experience on Gentoo when I had use it was trying to compile openoffice, did it few times, then always used openoffice-bin | 16:34 |
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| sledges | fk_lx: 100% same here | 16:35 |
| zbenjamin | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/OpenRC | 16:35 |
| sledges | and on a 7year old machine compiling is a night-mare | 16:35 |
| sledges | ;) | 16:35 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 16:35 |
| sandy_locke | I like Arch wiki ;) | 16:35 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: you just made my day :D | 16:35 |
| zbenjamin | lol ;) | 16:35 |
| fk_lx | I ended up with Fedora after my distro travels | 16:35 |
| sledges | Note: Arch uses systemd by default. If you use OpenRC, please mention so while asking for help. | 16:35 |
| sledges | hum? | 16:35 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: so is it selectable or not? | 16:35 |
| zbenjamin | well you can install it from AUR and boot with it | 16:36 |
| zbenjamin | For booting with OpenRC add init=/sbin/init-openrc to the kernel line in your bootloader configuration. If you want to switch back to systemd, change it to init=/usr/lib/systemd/systemd. | 16:36 |
| sledges | fk_lx: many people like fedora. i have trauma from not being able to out-of-box setup mp3 playback due to US-centric licencings | 16:36 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: ok, will give it a shot ;) | 16:36 |
| sledges | but what is your all opinion of nemo being systemd? | 16:37 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: sledges : yeah, they offer the choice | 16:37 |
| zbenjamin | http://www.maui-project.org/ still waiting if this thing maybe will be good | 16:37 |
| sandy_locke | that's nice, I wish I had known that at the time! | 16:37 |
| sledges | i think for big complex dev embedded systems where you need to plug and play to experiment, systemd is ok | 16:37 |
| zbenjamin | i think its not needed | 16:37 |
| sledges | but on desktop you rarely change boot scripts config/hierarchy/deps/pluggability | 16:37 |
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| zbenjamin | nemo would be fine with a much easier init system, the only thing that maybe makes sense is the automatic restart of crashed deamons | 16:38 |
| sledges | ok | 16:38 |
| zbenjamin | imho ;) | 16:38 |
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| zbenjamin | would be interesting how much faster systemd makes nemo startup | 16:39 |
| sledges | and as developer if you want to replace lipstick with something else, you don't need to care about underlying deps, just play cards right | 16:39 |
| sledges | so replaceability is also convenient , but not on a productised/stabilised device though.. | 16:39 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: so Maui is based on Qt but has a Gnome like desktop , | 16:39 |
| sandy_locke | ? | 16:39 |
| sledges | phone startup is of less importance, unless it's so buggy you have to restart it hourly :D | 16:40 |
| sledges | (but that's the wrong approach from beginning isnt it ;)) | 16:40 |
| zbenjamin | sandy_locke: its pure Qt, didn't try the desktop expirience yet ;) | 16:40 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: i would say ...... wait a moment ------ yes ;) | 16:40 |
| sandy_locke | ah, cuz the screenshot looks like Gnome... | 16:40 |
| zbenjamin | its a newly written desktop, you can even try it on a archlinux box | 16:40 |
| zbenjamin | http://www.maui-project.org/download/ | 16:41 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: it depends, quick startup could change people's use of smartphone: shut it down when you don't want to be bothered. Plus saves battery ;) | 16:41 |
| sandy_locke | like 2 secs boot time ;) | 16:41 |
| zbenjamin | i think a working suspend to ram should also do the trick ;) | 16:42 |
| sledges | but startup time is consisting 90% of tasks loading, not the 10% of systemd dependency mess | 16:42 |
| sledges | and lpm ;) | 16:42 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: right :) | 16:42 |
| sledges | though jolla phone alarm will work also when powered off | 16:42 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: exactly thats why systemd is overkill even ón a desktop, you don't really get so much out of 10 secs faster boot time, the nr1 argument | 16:42 |
| * sledges mmmm gooodness :)) | 16:42 | |
| sandy_locke | sledges: usually, all phones have that AFAIK, no ? | 16:43 |
| zbenjamin | i'm all in when it comes to make systems better, but better for me also means easier | 16:43 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: this ^ | 16:44 |
| sandy_locke | especially on Arch ;) | 16:44 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: haven't tried, let me see nexus' around | 16:44 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: it worked even on my old feature phone ^^ | 16:44 |
| sledges | it does work on n9 for sure | 16:45 |
| sledges | and i never used it on other phones :D | 16:45 |
| sandy_locke | but maybe they lost the functionality with new smartphones ? | 16:45 |
| zbenjamin | does anyone of you guys know the elektra project? also known as the "linux registry" ? | 16:45 |
| sandy_locke | Next step for humanity: be able to build phone chips in your garage (for better openness of chips infrastructure ;)) | 16:46 |
| zbenjamin | http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Elektra/ | 16:46 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: nope, link ? | 16:46 |
| sandy_locke | ah thx | 16:46 |
| zbenjamin | not sure how the thing is now, but at the beginning it sounded like a good idea, unified configuration files, unified locations, small c library that can loaded at boot time | 16:47 |
| zbenjamin | no binary files of course | 16:47 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: is it not like gconf & al ? | 16:47 |
| zbenjamin | sandy_locke: a bit maybe, except its meant to be used for every configuration file on the system. | 16:48 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: in boot time optimisation systemd example my numbers wher out of the blue; at any rate most of work is mandatory being done on optimising boot tasks; you can slash hypothetical 10% with swapping init system at any time | 16:48 |
| sandy_locke | zbenjamin: yeah, I dreamed of that ^^ | 16:49 |
| zbenjamin | sandy_locke: the elektra thing? | 16:49 |
| sandy_locke | yup | 16:49 |
| zbenjamin | i also liked the idea, plus it would be so much less code out there that handles configurations | 16:49 |
| sandy_locke | with computers nowadays, you have to remember so much locations and languages ^^ | 16:50 |
| zbenjamin | yep | 16:50 |
| zbenjamin | on of linux's biggest flaws is that there is no universal userspace configuration. You can get lost in all the stuff way too easy | 16:51 |
| zbenjamin | s/on/one | 16:51 |
| sledges | there are proposals of dbus into linux kernel | 16:52 |
| sledges | 8-O | 16:52 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, that's why I loved the old Arch linux architecture :/ | 16:52 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: just switch to openrc within arch ;) problem solved | 16:52 |
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| sandy_locke | "/etc" was so clean ^^ | 16:52 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: NO please NOT | 16:52 |
| sledges | :D | 16:52 |
| zbenjamin | i saw that stuff too | 16:52 |
| sledges | torvalds says the same luckily | 16:52 |
| zbenjamin | torvalds is the nr 1 bullshit filter ;) | 16:53 |
| sandy_locke | they didn't find sth better than dbus yet ? | 16:53 |
| sledges | :D | 16:53 |
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| sledges | Couldn't elektra draw itself here somehow? | 16:53 |
| sandy_locke | I remember all the hassle just to load a DE ^^ | 16:53 |
| sledges | just facilitating some existing low-level IPCs | 16:55 |
| sandy_locke | ok, I go watch sth. Am in the middle of Continuum, and although it's far from perfect, I would like to know what follow ;) | 16:56 |
| sledges | :) thanks for chatter sandy_locke | 16:57 |
| sandy_locke | liked the discussion though | 16:57 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: :) | 16:57 |
| sledges | ;) same here | 16:57 |
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| zbenjamin | sledges: aep had a nice idea of a unix'ish bus system | 17:20 |
| zbenjamin | called u-bus, builds on a files | 17:20 |
| zbenjamin | http://unixbus.org/ubus/ | 17:21 |
| sledges | fun fun :) | 17:22 |
| sledges | https://twitter.com/NemoMobile/status/405023276428455936 | 17:22 |
| sledges | another fun this week ;) | 17:23 |
| zbenjamin | do we get a nemo devs discount? ;) | 17:24 |
| sledges | :D | 17:24 |
| sledges | worth the ask | 17:24 |
| sledges | notmart: ^ ? ;) what is the orig price of the board btw? | 17:28 |
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| notmart | sledges: 75$ plus shipping (http://www.vaultechnology.com/store/buyimprov) | 17:35 |
| locusf | whee, more devices for Mer + Nemo :) | 17:36 |
| sledges | \o/ nice price tag! | 17:37 |
| locusf | available for fin too :) | 17:37 |
| sledges | it's so great that USA is finally getting the aftertaste of MeeGo | 17:39 |
| wmarone_ | heh, you can buy that outside the EU! | 17:39 |
| sledges | N9 never made it there :( | 17:39 |
| notmart | hopefully as time goes more world areas should be covered | 17:39 |
| wmarone_ | sledges: nokia at least had enough distribution that you could trivially import it | 17:40 |
| sledges | still no US fellows i met in conferences ever heard of this tech :/ | 17:40 |
| wmarone_ | no they're dazzled by Android and iOS | 17:41 |
| sledges | nod | 17:41 |
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| sandy_locke | sledges: can the board be coupled with a touchscreen ? | 17:51 |
| sledges | if course | 17:51 |
| sledges | you just need to find one ;) | 17:51 |
| sledges | it's a base for a tablet, right notmart ? | 17:52 |
| sledges | and you can embed onto your fridge for example :D | 17:52 |
| sledges | limitless possibilities | 17:52 |
| notmart | sledges: yes, the tablet will have the same cpu card that's plugged into | 17:52 |
| sledges | any cheap lcd+capacitive_ts around? | 17:52 |
| sledges | what is its connectivity? hdmi? and touchscreen? | 17:53 |
| notmart | so, if you make a fridge with the proper connector, you could use one of those boards into ;) | 17:53 |
| sledges | ;) | 17:53 |
| notmart | the board will have micro hdmi + a vga in the pins on top | 17:54 |
| notmart | the tablet yeah, will have capacitive touchscreen | 17:54 |
| sledges | interfaced via?.. | 17:58 |
| sledges | in the sense, if 'improv' has e.g. an i2c or spi bus exposed (havent read the specs yet), should be possible to slab a touchscreen too | 17:59 |
| sledges | if capacitives work fine even via usb, so is all promising :) | 18:00 |
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| sandy_locke | nice :) | 18:01 |
| sandy_locke | but nemo mobile is not mature enough :( | 18:02 |
| sandy_locke | and you would have to build a case for it... | 18:02 |
| sledges | yea, the case is surely a show stopper :D | 18:03 |
| sledges | </sarcasm> | 18:03 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 18:03 |
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| sandy_locke | but you say a tablet based on it will come soon ? | 18:04 |
| sledges | vivaldi will be release next year yes | 18:04 |
| sledges | but im talking from embedded world perspective | 18:04 |
| sledges | say you want a car park pay meter | 18:04 |
| sledges | bug schedules ifo | 18:04 |
| sledges | info | 18:04 |
| sledges | home automation (the fridge) | 18:04 |
| sandy_locke | and what about this open tablet they were kickstarting a while back (~1 month ago) | 18:04 |
| sandy_locke | yes, ofc | 18:05 |
| sledges | where you can enclose hardware yourself (if you are a vendor, or a kickstarted), one hell of a playground | 18:05 |
| sledges | bug schedules ifo | 18:05 |
| sledges | ??? | 18:05 |
| sledges | bus schedules info | 18:05 |
| sledges | :D | 18:05 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 18:05 |
| sandy_locke | got that ;) | 18:05 |
| sledges | pengpod? | 18:05 |
| sandy_locke | yes that's it | 18:05 |
| sandy_locke | they didn't make it did they ? | 18:06 |
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| sledges | nope http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/pengpod-1040-quad-core-linux-android-dual-booting-tablets | 18:06 |
| sandy_locke | :( | 18:06 |
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| ryukafalz | hmm will vivaldi be available without the CPU card since improv came first? | 18:06 |
| sledges | but better to start with errors than flawless eternal hesitation | 18:06 |
| sledges | ;) | 18:06 |
| sandy_locke | I really wish people were more savvy | 18:06 |
| sandy_locke | yup | 18:06 |
| * ryukafalz might just have to buy an improv now... | 18:07 | |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 18:07 |
| Eztran | I'm actually kinda amazed that Pengpod didn't succeed. | 18:07 |
| ryukafalz | I mean, my beaglebone's nice (and also open hardware) but EOMA-68 just looks really cool | 18:07 |
| sandy_locke | I wish I knew how to code and do electronics to make my own home automation ... | 18:08 |
| ryukafalz | sandy_locke: There's always time to learn :) | 18:08 |
| sledges | +1 | 18:08 |
| sandy_locke | Eztran: me too :/ | 18:08 |
| sandy_locke | ryukafalz: yup, I still have some docs on how to start ;) | 18:08 |
| sandy_locke | but don't have time | 18:08 |
| sledges | 61 british pounds with shipping and taxes for 'improv' \o/ | 18:08 |
| ryukafalz | argh, even though it's a really reasonable price that's another $75 I hadn't planned on spending haha | 18:09 |
| sledges | is great fun sandy_locke , especially when pieces of puzzle are already at hand; e.g. no need to spend time coding connectivity/location etc, just use mer/nemo | 18:09 |
| sledges | so is easier than back in the day | 18:09 |
| sandy_locke | yeah but the real fun is when you code your own little modules that do what you want sledges ;) | 18:10 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: from scratch? | 18:10 |
| ryukafalz | hmm, think the EOMA-68 CPU card is small enough to build a phone shell for it? | 18:10 |
| sledges | i can read you, but need to draw line carefully before reinventing the wheel :) | 18:11 |
| sandy_locke | yes, in C and all (but no, with hardware base "APIs") | 18:11 |
| wmarone_ | ryukafalz: It'd probably fill the shell... | 18:11 |
| sandy_locke | ryukafalz: I was wondering | 18:11 |
| ryukafalz | I mean, obviously not as thin as some of the fancy new phones on the market, but if it were roughly N810-sized I would gladly replace my phone with something like that :P | 18:12 |
| ryukafalz | but even that might be a stretch | 18:12 |
| ryukafalz | though I don't have any PCMCIA cards around right now for comparison haha | 18:12 |
| sledges | ryukafalz: why no neo900 way? ;) | 18:13 |
| ryukafalz | sledges: I am a broke college student so moneys :P | 18:13 |
| sandy_locke | ryukafalz: I don't think it has GSM and CDMA chips ... | 18:13 |
| sledges | still need lcd+ts+gsm+... | 18:13 |
| ryukafalz | sandy_locke: Wireless radios would go in the outer shell, the EOMA-68 doesn't have any itself AFAIK | 18:14 |
| * sledges remembers a project of using usb modem, usb gps, usb wifi, all via powered hub into a dev board - the enclosure size was enormous :D | 18:14 | |
| ryukafalz | sledges: ts? | 18:14 |
| sledges | touchscreen | 18:14 |
| ryukafalz | ahh yep | 18:14 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, when not optimized those additions can add lot of bulk | 18:15 |
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| sledges | but maybe for a tablet.. | 18:16 |
| sledges | phablet if youre more lucky ;) | 18:16 |
| sandy_locke | but, the idea could be : you create your "phone/tablet box" and when on the move atach it to your belt | 18:16 |
| sandy_locke | voice communications via bluetooth | 18:16 |
| ryukafalz | oh how I wish I could get a neo900 though | 18:17 |
| ryukafalz | the n900 always looked like my ideal phone | 18:17 |
| sandy_locke | got link for neo900 screenshots ? | 18:17 |
| ryukafalz | but I've always been stuck on CDMA networks | 18:17 |
| sledges | www.neo900.org | 18:17 |
| sledges | it's n900 case, with upgraded guts | 18:18 |
| ryukafalz | what's the most expensive part of a mobile phone usually? | 18:18 |
| ryukafalz | touchscreen? | 18:18 |
| sledges | +lcd | 18:18 |
| sledges | probably | 18:18 |
| sledges | esp if it's capacitive | 18:18 |
| ryukafalz | yeah | 18:18 |
| sledges | and they go together | 18:18 |
| sandy_locke | hye, they don't mention nemo mobile >( | 18:19 |
| sandy_locke | *hey | 18:19 |
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| sledges | sandy_locke: because nobody did a nemo port for GTA04 | 18:20 |
| sledges | though there was a mer port | 18:20 |
| sledges | a genesis | 18:20 |
| ryukafalz | hrm, what would a device shell thing use for display? | 18:22 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: ah :( | 18:23 |
| ryukafalz | because it looks like the HDMI port is on the outside of the card | 18:23 |
| sandy_locke | neo900 seems nice. 2 logic boards ? | 18:23 |
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| sledges | finishing porting mer (and nemo) to GTA04 (and equiv to neo900) should be trivial, they are using TI DM3730 (N950/N9/N900 was OMAP3) | 18:25 |
| sledges | but, what about wayland!? :| | 18:25 |
| wmarone_ | same driver? | 18:25 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: what do you mean two boards? | 18:25 |
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| sledges | wmarone_: same SGX | 18:25 |
| wmarone_ | yeah | 18:26 |
| sledges | don't know difference bits | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: 'it's trivial' is the source of all fuckups | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:26 |
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| sledges | Stskeeps: my boss says "never use the words 'only' and 'just' :D | 18:26 |
| sledges | that's why i used *should* :D | 18:26 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: two boards in the video on neo900 | 18:26 |
| sandy_locke | one added for cpu and 3G/4G | 18:27 |
| sledges | with spacers | 18:27 |
| sandy_locke | yes | 18:27 |
| sledges | i think they are matching old design | 18:27 |
| sledges | modular arch | 18:27 |
| sandy_locke | ah | 18:27 |
| sandy_locke | nice | 18:27 |
| sandy_locke | so it will be upgradable ? | 18:27 |
| sandy_locke | that's why it's so thick ? | 18:27 |
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| sledges | for vent purposes? ;) | 18:28 |
| sandy_locke | ah, yeah... | 18:28 |
| sledges | couldn't squash it into more PCB layers (already 7 iirc) | 18:28 |
| sandy_locke | PCB ? | 18:28 |
| sledges | printed circuit board | 18:28 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 18:28 |
| sandy_locke | 7 ^^ | 18:28 |
| sledges | yes, internal layers in one thin wafer | 18:28 |
| sledges | of micro circuitry | 18:29 |
| sandy_locke | they do that ? | 18:29 |
| ryukafalz | that's pretty impressive, though I don't know how many layers is normal for something like this | 18:29 |
| sandy_locke | I thought it was wysiwig :P | 18:29 |
| sandy_locke | (the boards) | 18:30 |
| sledges | one layered ones are here: http://www.dave40.co.uk/design/img/samples/Rhythm_generator_pcb_with_integrated_sound_chips-great_for_free_samples_of_vintage_drum_machines.jpg | 18:30 |
| sledges | *g* | 18:30 |
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| Wnt | How can I change Nemo (I use nemo-n950-rnd-20131026) to get the usb0 interface address via DHCP when ever the USB is plugged in? My developement pc acts as a DHCP server. | 20:58 |
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| Wnt | Can this be configured via /etc/usb-moded/usb-moded.ini? | 21:02 |
| phdeswer | Wnt: in theory yes. But usb_moded needs dhclient installed for it to work | 21:09 |
| phdeswer | And if you have that installed, just setting ip=dhcp will make it try to get a dhcp address | 21:10 |
| phdeswer | See lines 106 to 115: https://github.com/nemomobile/usb-moded/blob/master/docs/usb_moded-doc.txt | 21:12 |
| Wnt | phdeswer: ok | 21:13 |
| Wnt | and I can install that via zypper? | 21:13 |
| phdeswer | Unfortunately I don't know | 21:13 |
| Wnt | ok, thank you for the pointer | 21:14 |
| phdeswer | Wnt: if you can't get dhclient ping me about it. I will try to make some changes to usb_moded to support your dhcp client of choice | 21:16 |
| Wnt | phdeswer: not sure how much effort I'm going to put into getting that working as I can also work with static IP and route for now | 21:17 |
| phdeswer | Wnt: well if you have a dhcp client in mind that you would use I can try to add support for it (as I am the usb_moded author) | 21:18 |
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| Wnt | I ran "zypper update" on the nemo-n950-rnd-20131026 image and now I cannot dismiss the lock screen | 21:34 |
| Wnt | the orientation detection and power key work as expected | 21:34 |
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| Wnt | maybe "zypper update" wasn't such a good idea | 21:36 |
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| faenil | Wnt, known regression | 21:40 |
| faenil | check out Nemo's wiki ;) | 21:40 |
| faenil | Wnt, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Wayland.2FQt5 | 21:41 |
| faenil | look at n9 section | 21:41 |
| Wnt | faenil: Thanks | 21:41 |
| faenil | np :) | 21:41 |
| Wnt | too bad my usb-networking wont start automatically when I boot the device | 21:42 |
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| Wnt | I could put those commands to some file that will be executed at the end of the boot process | 21:44 |
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| zbenjamin | Wnt: why not just connect over the wireless interface? | 22:14 |
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| zbenjamin | faenil: every tried to run nemo on a raspberry? | 22:15 |
| zbenjamin | i have one lying around here .. but no touchscreen .... hmpf | 22:16 |
| faenil | nope | 22:17 |
| zbenjamin | http://www.vaultechnology.com/store/buyimprov this thing is really cheap | 22:18 |
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