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| locusf | the spinner looks awesome on loading apps :) | 10:32 |
| sledges | locusf: yay how did you inject it there? | 10:34 |
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| locusf | just replaced the BusyIndicator | 10:36 |
| sledges | the rolling circle? | 10:37 |
| sledges | is it centered in dark background, or just spinning on the icon? | 10:38 |
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| sledges | (imho the former would look superb, and tie in with Hurrian's mockup) | 10:38 |
| sledges | but need qwazix Morpog_N9 sandy_locke opinion :) | 10:39 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/pull/34 | 10:40 |
| locusf | spinning on the icon | 10:40 |
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| niqt | morning | 10:52 |
| sledges | hello niqt | 10:52 |
| sledges | just been viewing qmlpackagemanager qt5 PR | 10:53 |
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| qwazix | \o | 10:59 |
| Stskeeps | m00 qwazix | 10:59 |
| qwazix | hey Stskeeps, | 10:59 |
| sledges | fl00 qwazix :) slept well? | 11:00 |
| qwazix | other than changing sheets in the middle of the night, yep :P | 11:00 |
| sledges | with or without the ouzo shot method? :)) | 11:01 |
| qwazix | brandy, but yeah... | 11:01 |
| sledges | alternatively, two sets of PJs can save a lot of bedsheets | 11:02 |
| Morpog_N9 | would need to see them loading on icon | 11:02 |
| * sledges done some more research on the subject :) | 11:02 | |
| sledges | Morpog_N9: i thought the same | 11:02 |
| qwazix | sledges, I have a pile of wet t-shirts next to the bed (at least 5) | 11:02 |
| sledges | yowzer, get well soon qwazix | 11:03 |
| qwazix | thx, btw, I admit I liked the old busyindicator over the icons | 11:03 |
| sledges | because it matched the circular size of them | 11:04 |
| qwazix | it wasn't perfect, but the fact that it was the same radius had some kind of appeal (maybe if it was just thinner like the circle around terminal) | 11:04 |
| sledges | at any rate, we haven't specced where progress spinner will be (i thought on bootup definitely, but didn't think beyond that..) | 11:06 |
| qwazix | and I prefer loading on the homescreen functionally over dead splash screen (though I agree with you the splash screen looks better) | 11:06 |
| qwazix | progress spinner should be wherever busyIndicator is, but that doesn't mean the home screen should use busyIndicator for loading | 11:07 |
| qwazix | It can use something which incidentally looks like the old busyIndicator, and called loadingAppIndicator or something | 11:07 |
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| sledges | functionally, a modal splash screen would prevent launching more than one app | 11:12 |
| sledges | especially when first clicked on a wrong icon (happened many times :)) | 11:12 |
| qwazix | launching >1 app isn't handled very well though anyway is it? | 11:13 |
| sledges | not atm | 11:13 |
| qwazix | IIRC the second app pops up in front of you after the first one? | 11:13 |
| qwazix | nemo broken after yestedays dup and can't test | 11:13 |
| sledges | cant remember now, but all wayland app handling is flaky atm | 11:13 |
| sledges | let's fix it then ;) | 11:13 |
| qwazix | we can try, though I think it might be some half-baked update in some package | 11:14 |
| qwazix | first thing, find the IP via router | 11:15 |
| sledges | :D wifi? | 11:15 |
| sledges | what about usb? | 11:15 |
| qwazix | never tried that :P | 11:16 |
| qwazix | rm-696 is N9 or N950? | 11:16 |
| qwazix | I'm in | 11:17 |
| sledges | journalctl as root | 11:18 |
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| qwazix | nothing weird besides batterytracker | 11:19 |
| qwazix | hmm, dup wants to upgrade lipstick, so it might be it | 11:19 |
| sledges | ok | 11:20 |
| sledges | you can filter rubbish with journalctl | grep -iv battery | 11:20 |
| sledges | (think you know that ;P) | 11:21 |
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| qwazix | yep! fixed. Thx | 11:24 |
| sledges | grt, didn't have to do anything *g* | 11:25 |
| qwazix | what happened to the calculator? | 11:26 |
| qwazix | and timed threw this when installing http://www.privatepaste.com/1056eb03dc | 11:26 |
| sledges | shows html? | 11:26 |
| qwazix | yep | 11:27 |
| sledges | in landscape? | 11:27 |
| sledges | regression | 11:27 |
| qwazix | yep | 11:27 |
| sledges | but portrait seems ok | 11:27 |
| qwazix | no, it doesn't switch to portrait here | 11:27 |
| qwazix | and since when was calculator a webapp? | 11:27 |
| sledges | not directly | 11:27 |
| sledges | :D | 11:27 |
| stephg | qwazix, fwiw rm-696 is N9 | 11:27 |
| sledges | it's qt | 11:27 |
| sledges | qt can do html | 11:28 |
| sledges | i think you close calc, flip phone, re-open, but anyway, that's not important right now | 11:28 |
| sledges | iekku: ping | 11:28 |
| qwazix | ah yeah, portrait is ok | 11:29 |
| sledges | lbt: ping | 11:29 |
| lbt | busy ... talk at me ... bbiab | 11:30 |
| sledges | lbt: can you please add "wayland/qt5" version next to Version field in https://bugs.nemomobile.org/enter_bug.cgi | 11:32 |
| sledges | s/next to/into/ | 11:32 |
| sledges | and make that default | 11:32 |
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| lbt | which product | 11:36 |
| sledges | globally | 11:37 |
| sledges | or definitely to: Applications, Hardware adaptation, Middleware, and UX | 11:37 |
| sledges | everything except Infra (where it's not applicable; so QA too) | 11:39 |
| lbt | HA/MW/UX makes sense | 11:40 |
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| sledges | & Apps | 11:40 |
| lbt | really? | 11:41 |
| sledges | i was about to submit qmlcalc bug that qwazix reminded | 11:41 |
| sledges | which applies to qt5 version of qmlcalc | 11:41 |
| sledges | doesn't hurt | 11:41 |
| lbt | done | 11:42 |
| sledges | maybe a x11-mad vendor comes along who will dig graves to resurrect x11 ;) so good to have differentiation | 11:42 |
| sledges | many thanks lbt | 11:42 |
| sledges | lbt saves the day ;) | 11:43 |
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| sledges | qwazix: feel free to subscribe: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702 | 11:47 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 702 in Calculator "HTML tags in the results box" [Normal,New] | 11:47 |
| qwazix | done | 11:49 |
| iekku | sledges, pong | 11:51 |
| sledges | iekku: how are you? :} | 11:54 |
| * sledges tries to hide that lbt already done what I initially pinged iekku for | 11:55 | |
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| iekku | please close the bug too | 11:56 |
| sledges | closed ;) | 11:58 |
| sledges | you should've received an email | 11:58 |
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| locusf | finally bugzilla for us | 12:04 |
| locusf | proper version that is | 12:04 |
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| locusf | sledges: do we have a progress spinner spec somewhere? | 12:11 |
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| qwazix | locusf, https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/tree/master/progress-spinner | 12:30 |
| locusf | qwazix: ok good, I made the correct spinner as the app loading animation then | 12:32 |
| qwazix | locusf, see backlog about the app loading animation, maybe we could keep the old progress spinner just for that and rename it to AppLoadingSpinner | 12:33 |
| qwazix | though I haven't seen how the new one looks, might be good | 12:33 |
| locusf | hmm it is ok but I don't have the glacier icons on :/ | 12:34 |
| locusf | as I needed silica components | 12:34 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 12:35 |
| locusf | I'll reinstall and have a look | 12:35 |
| locusf | btw we need to do something about that, glacier theme conflicts with jolla-ambient theme | 12:36 |
| locusf | mainly because of darko | 12:36 |
| sledges | locusf: we need to do something about that because we plan to have silica side-by-side? | 12:38 |
| locusf | well yeah why not? | 12:38 |
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| locusf | at least I am :p | 12:38 |
| sledges | yea i think faenil mentioned something of qqc-nemo being silica compatible too back in a day | 12:39 |
| sledges | (when silica will eventually transition to qqc) | 12:40 |
| faenil | me who what | 12:42 |
| * faenil reads | 12:42 | |
| faenil | ah yeah | 12:42 |
| faenil | well | 12:42 |
| faenil | since there's no Page in QQC | 12:42 |
| locusf | not necessarily compatibility but rather coexistince | 12:42 |
| faenil | I tried to make Page kind of silica-compatible API | 12:42 |
| * qwazix still doesn't understand why everything is based on darko | 12:46 | |
| sledges | darko will go soon | 12:46 |
| sledges | as soon as replacement will land in glacier theme | 12:47 |
| sledges | but that might not happen until we start porting apps | 12:47 |
| qwazix | well we need it to be there (or installable) to support harmattan apps, but why should glacier depend on it? | 12:47 |
| sledges | because without darko apps looks skeletonish | 12:47 |
| sledges | glacier pulls it in as long as darko is needed | 12:48 |
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| sledges | qwazix: but that one person, from themedaemon will get only those graphics which aren't provided by glacier | 12:51 |
| Morpog_N9 | qwazix, but what for? No app will use it | 12:51 |
| qwazix | Morpog_N9, No core app will use it. Most of harmattan apps are a re-compile away (if not just a repack) from nemo if darko is available | 12:52 |
| qwazix | Won't look native, yeah, but it's like our "harmattan compatibility layer" | 12:53 |
| Morpog_N9 | not with wayland | 12:53 |
| sledges | +qt5 | 12:53 |
| qwazix | yeah, true | 12:53 |
| Morpog_N9 | they will need to port anyway to qt5 | 12:53 |
| sledges | none of the apps hardcode darko as dep | 12:53 |
| qwazix | right, I forgot that | 12:53 |
| sandy_locke | hi peops | 12:53 |
| sledges | nor any other theme | 12:53 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix: tell me if you see my pull request with requested changes | 12:54 |
| sledges | theme is pulled in by other packages (ce-mtf-config) | 12:54 |
| sledges | because theme is replaceable | 12:54 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, did you see my comments on PR? | 12:54 |
| sledges | so no app should depends on it | 12:54 |
| sandy_locke | yes, that's why I sent you the updated PR ;) | 12:54 |
| qwazix | ah, ok, checking out now | 12:55 |
| locusf | sledges: should I remove LabelStyle btw? | 12:55 |
| sledges | locusf: only when faenil explains: should src/style/*Style.qml be provided only for overriden components from upstream qqc ? | 12:57 |
| locusf | sledges: ok | 12:58 |
| faenil | sledges, didn't I reply already? | 12:58 |
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| sledges | faenil: i replied to your 1 reply | 12:58 |
| locusf | faenil: I don't see it | 12:58 |
| faenil | ah no... | 12:58 |
| faenil | sorry | 12:58 |
| faenil | forgot to hit send :P | 12:58 |
| locusf | ok :) | 12:58 |
| sledges | phew :D it didn't get vapourised | 12:58 |
| faenil | done | 12:59 |
| sledges | faenil: is there such control "Label" in upstream qqc? :O | 12:59 |
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| faenil | I think not | 12:59 |
| faenil | I mean | 12:59 |
| faenil | there's Label component | 13:00 |
| faenil | but it doesn't have a style | 13:00 |
| faenil | maybe it's still internal component, or somtehing | 13:00 |
| sledges | a ok | 13:00 |
| locusf | I found something while googling though, but nothing to regards of upstream | 13:00 |
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| locusf | I can remove it now though | 13:00 |
| sledges | faenil: and if you don't provide style placeholder, nothing blows up still? | 13:01 |
| sledges | (as spinner doesn't have style file) | 13:01 |
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| locusf | any comments on my example page using color: "white" although it is specified in the main glacier.json | 13:02 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: so, has my pr been submited, I'm not sure if it worked... | 13:02 |
| qwazix | yep, commenting on it now | 13:03 |
| sandy_locke | ok, thx :) | 13:03 |
| sledges | locusf: it should not be doing the same thing twice | 13:04 |
| qwazix | I think we should better discuss it here, just a sec | 13:05 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:05 |
| sandy_locke | have I done sth wrong ^^;) | 13:05 |
| qwazix | this: https://raw.github.com/bitsandnumbers/glacier-controls-spec/e454d2290f28a03ba3e176b74bdcd45240112ad2/dialogs/Selection_Dialog.png and this https://raw.github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/master/selectRoller/selectRoller.png do the same thing | 13:05 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, sledge suggested that it should be merged | 13:06 |
| qwazix | however, I don't want to kill it completely, as the selectRoller always has a list of items in it, whereas the dialog may be useful to have other kinds of components | 13:06 |
| locusf | sledges: yes but it doesn't work without it, the label is black | 13:06 |
| sledges | locusf: :O | 13:06 |
| sandy_locke | since we were wondering if selectRoller should not be updated | 13:06 |
| sledges | then it's a bugger locusf ;) | 13:06 |
| locusf | faenil: do you have any idea why this happens? | 13:07 |
| locusf | sledges: yep | 13:07 |
| qwazix | so I think maybe we should show it empty (or with a couple of arbitrary controls) so that we don't confuse people | 13:07 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: I added a select dialog because it's one of the component of QML harmattan that already exist and different from other dialogs | 13:07 |
| sandy_locke | just check QML Component Gallery | 13:08 |
| qwazix | yep, I know, and your solution of getting it inline as to not be modal is brilliant | 13:08 |
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| qwazix | but then it becomes very similar with another component we already have | 13:08 |
| sandy_locke | ok I see what you mean | 13:08 |
| qwazix | so we need to only keep one of them | 13:09 |
| sandy_locke | so the select dialog could become a container for whatever devs want to put in them ? | 13:09 |
| qwazix | yep | 13:09 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, that's a nice trick, I like it :) | 13:09 |
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| sandy_locke | what kind of arbitrary component would you like to see inside it ? | 13:09 |
| qwazix | and the three dashes on the right hand should become a downward triangle so that it stays consistent with https://raw.github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/master/selectRoller/selectRoller.png | 13:09 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, whatever, you can just copy/paste some components off the headerDock | 13:10 |
| sandy_locke | mmh, I didn't see the downward arrow in this mockup ^^ | 13:10 |
| faenil | sledges, but is there anything looking for spinner style? | 13:10 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:10 |
| qwazix | arrow is next to Alfonsino | 13:11 |
| qwazix | (maybe it's too dim?) | 13:11 |
| qwazix | also we should name it `inlineDialog` or something | 13:11 |
| sandy_locke | yeah I see it now, but not before you told me ;) | 13:11 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, inline dialog is good, but we must keep some ref to select dialog to help others understand to what qml comp we're refering to | 13:12 |
| qwazix | don't worry about that, we'll have the wiki to associate old with new components | 13:13 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:13 |
| sandy_locke | I'll do the changes then, once I've eaten ;) | 13:13 |
| qwazix | one more thing | 13:13 |
| sandy_locke | believe it or not, updating the dialogs spec sheets has taken me a few hours ^^ | 13:14 |
| sledges | faenil: nope | 13:14 |
| sledges | not in qqc-nemo | 13:14 |
| qwazix | I believe it ofc, it's not trivial | 13:14 |
| sledges | but you said we should provide style placeholder files for all comps | 13:14 |
| faenil | sledges, yes well for all components for which there's something actually looking for the style file :D | 13:14 |
| qwazix | the 300u width of text here https://github.com/bitsandnumbers/glacier-controls-spec/tree/e454d2290f28a03ba3e176b74bdcd45240112ad2/dialogs/Normal%20Dialog%20Unobstrusive.png | 13:14 |
| sandy_locke | yes ? | 13:15 |
| qwazix | shouldn't be defined, but rather the spacing from the edges | 13:15 |
| qwazix | (imagine landscape) | 13:15 |
| sledges | i got confused, because looking at Button.qml i thought most elegant solution is for every comp to define bare things in CompName.qml, and style it according to Nemo (glacier) specs in CompNameStyle.qml :P | 13:15 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:15 |
| sledges | but then things started to diverge in all possible ways for every other component I checked :) | 13:15 |
| sandy_locke | 480-300/2 then ;) | 13:16 |
| qwazix | yep | 13:16 |
| faenil | sledges, eheheh | 13:16 |
| sandy_locke | will do | 13:16 |
| sandy_locke | I go eat and do that | 13:16 |
| faenil | yeah well optimal solution is to have styling in the appropriate styling file | 13:16 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: you're here the whole day or are you leaving at some point ? | 13:16 |
| faenil | bbl, lunch | 13:17 |
| qwazix | I'm not leaving but I might be resting now and then | 13:17 |
| qwazix | still havent recovered fully | 13:17 |
| sledges | buon appetito | 13:17 |
| sandy_locke | ok, I understand, stay healthy :) | 13:17 |
| sandy_locke | thanks :) | 13:17 |
| locusf | lunch, not a bad idea | 13:17 |
| sandy_locke | bbl | 13:17 |
| sledges | hummmm, locusf too true, almost forgot about that :D | 13:18 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: good news on your lipstick orientation PR ;) | 13:25 |
| sledges | can this be merged too now https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick-colorful-home/pull/30 ? | 13:25 |
| sledges | (or it could've been long ago, we just had a debate on angles of attack there quite a bit :)) | 13:26 |
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| sledges | re-reading it now, I'm liking faenil's attitude of getting it right rather than getting it done | 13:28 |
| sledges | but what would be the solution? :{ should we introduce new flags like DeviceDefaultOrientation ? | 13:28 |
| locusf | sledges: yes that can now be merged | 13:35 |
| sledges | a ok, so it was a dependency | 13:35 |
| sledges | now what to do with all these comments ;) worry later when we jump aboard on a new device? | 13:36 |
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| locusf | hmm | 13:37 |
| sledges | locusf: faenil: commented there, imho nothing prevents to pull the trigger now &) | 13:46 |
| faenil | sledges, as you wish :P | 13:49 |
| sledges | wish is not enough, need to argumentate it ;P | 13:49 |
| sledges | and peer approve :) | 13:50 |
| faenil | should I approve the PR? | 13:51 |
| faenil | I mean, come on, that homescreen is going anyway, who cares :D | 13:51 |
| locusf | going? | 13:51 |
| faenil | it will be replaced once we have glacier components | 13:51 |
| locusf | ah ok | 13:51 |
| sledges | lgtm is enough too faenil | 13:52 |
| sledges | or 'ok', because i know it doesn't lgty | 13:52 |
| sledges | :D | 13:52 |
| faenil | :D | 13:53 |
| locusf | hmm I guess I have misunderstood the whole point of colorful-home then :/ | 13:54 |
| faenil | locusf, colorful home has no point at the moment, it's a placeholder :D | 13:55 |
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| locusf | yup | 13:55 |
| locusf | I thought it was something more importantt | 13:55 |
| faenil | but the work on indicators for status bar can be reused for sure | 13:55 |
| faenil | locusf, well it was Nemo's homescreen in X11 times | 13:55 |
| faenil | but we have to change most of it for glacier I think | 13:55 |
| locusf | faenil: ok | 13:56 |
| locusf | I was thinking about using the existing glacier components for colorful-home | 13:56 |
| locusf | but yeah lets make our own if its easier | 13:56 |
| faenil | locusf, well it depends on what the UI guys plan to do | 13:56 |
| locusf | like when I replaced the spinner | 13:56 |
| locusf | faenil: yeah, ok | 13:56 |
| sledges | i guess the changes will be so big, that we'll start lipstick-glacier-home and copy paste relevant bits from colorful | 13:56 |
| faenil | ^ that | 13:57 |
| locusf | okay | 13:57 |
| sledges | i mean, starting with implementing row 1-2 col 1-3 from http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/SystemUI.png | 13:57 |
| locusf | so I'll bury my idea of porting colorful-home to qqc-nemo | 13:57 |
| faenil | locusf, yeah :) | 13:58 |
| sledges | locusf: sorry i didn't catch that you aren't aware of the size of differences the new homescreen+locking+notifications will have, moreover that they don't have finalised specs (hence my question to you yesterday ;)) | 14:00 |
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| locusf | sledges: ok np | 14:01 |
| sledges | and thought that you might have a vision of how to start modifying current colorful, seemed a good idea, from which requests for new components/specs would come out | 14:02 |
| sledges | but the danger is to be overwhelmed with too many changes later on | 14:02 |
| sledges | (think hairy code :)) | 14:02 |
| locusf | yup | 14:02 |
| locusf | I was a little too eager I guess then :) | 14:03 |
| sledges | first ideas about homescreen come again from Hurrian: http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/basics.html | 14:04 |
| locusf | hmm well the problem might have also been that I have not seen that page ! | 14:04 |
| locusf | looks quite nice | 14:04 |
| sledges | it's a copy from grog ;) | 14:05 |
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| sledges | now we're on the same (web)page, good ;) | 14:05 |
| sandy_locke | ok qwazix , PR submited :) | 14:08 |
| sandy_locke | hope it answer to your requests | 14:08 |
| sandy_locke | Need to go to the city, back in a few hours | 14:08 |
| locusf | did you guys already merge #30? | 14:08 |
| sledges | no, im waiting for ok not to feel lone solder :D | 14:09 |
| locusf | so faenils comment is not an ok ... ? | 14:09 |
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| locusf | well lets wait then | 14:11 |
| sledges | i viewed it as something which asks for a comment, but you're right, can be viewed as an 'ok' :D | 14:12 |
| faenil | sledges, "so we agreed to let this in" | 14:12 |
| faenil | could I be more explicit :D | 14:13 |
| sledges | yes, just say OK :DD | 14:13 |
| qwazix | faenil, locusf, sledges IMO the new home isn't *that* much different | 14:13 |
| faenil | qwazix, weren't you takling about revoolutionizing everything? :D | 14:14 |
| qwazix | faenil, you were talking about revolutionizing everything :P | 14:14 |
| faenil | no, wait a moment | 14:14 |
| faenil | you and Venemo said that there were huge new ideas | 14:14 |
| faenil | :P | 14:14 |
| locusf | lol | 14:15 |
| faenil | new concepts etc etc | 14:15 |
| faenil | (yes, I'd change EVERYTHING, :P) | 14:15 |
| qwazix | the idea me and Venemo sketched wasn't so revolutionary no, more like evolutionary | 14:15 |
| faenil | ok | 14:15 |
| qwazix | and it looks pretty much like hurrians concept | 14:15 |
| qwazix | still 3 pages | 14:16 |
| sledges | qwazix: will it require new type of components? | 14:16 |
| locusf | hmm the tag isn't building | 14:16 |
| sledges | in navigating home etc | 14:16 |
| sledges | locusf: wrong branch, working on it | 14:16 |
| sledges | ;P | 14:16 |
| locusf | sledges: ah | 14:16 |
| qwazix | (we can still discuss a concept of revolutionarizing everything but atm there hasn't been something awesome on the table) | 14:16 |
| qwazix | sledges, the big difference is that we wanted to support something like WP7 tiles to cater for people who love widgets (including me) | 14:17 |
| qwazix | one other idea that was thrown around, but maybe it's concept grade (i.e. unusable in real-life situation) would be to have an infinite canvas pannable and pinchable for homescreen | 14:20 |
| qwazix | where apps, icons, events etc would be freely manipulable | 14:20 |
| sledges | qwazix: ok; in my head were things(decision) like how to handle background across home screens, where's the status bar, now notifications pop up - all that on home and when app is shown. might need a component concept or two as well. but we are mainly waiting for a good old spec ;) | 14:20 |
| sledges | *how | 14:20 |
| qwazix | yep, we should finish with the componets specs first, though it seems we're getting close | 14:21 |
| sledges | a ok, sure makes sense | 14:21 |
| sledges | locusf, we'll have to wait ;) | 14:22 |
| qwazix | controls specs -> home screen concept -> home screen controls specs (notifications etc) -> home screen complete spec | 14:22 |
| locusf | sledges: yeah :) | 14:23 |
| sledges | and we might not have to start from scratch ;) | 14:23 |
| sledges | we'll see | 14:23 |
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| sledges | locusf: is orientation working now after dupping? | 14:24 |
| sledges | (builds've finished) | 14:25 |
| locusf | sledges: dupping at the moment, will reboot afterwards | 14:26 |
| qwazix | I've asked again, but I always forget how to restart lipstick | 14:27 |
| sledges | systemctl-user restart lipstick.service | 14:27 |
| sledges | or good old killall lipstick | 14:27 |
| sledges | :D | 14:27 |
| qwazix | thx | 14:27 |
| sledges | i think icons will now get smaller D: | 14:27 |
| sledges | regression crept in | 14:27 |
| * sledges looking | 14:27 | |
| qwazix | yep rotation working :DD | 14:29 |
| locusf | rotation works | 14:29 |
| sledges | no false allarm | 14:29 |
| sledges | gooood | 14:29 |
| sledges | :D | 14:29 |
| sledges | thanks w00t \o/ | 14:29 |
| sledges | does it work for any app or only home? | 14:29 |
| qwazix | home | 14:29 |
| sledges | ok | 14:29 |
| locusf | yeah home only | 14:30 |
| locusf | time for an image | 14:30 |
| sledges | ;) | 14:30 |
| sledges | apps can be made rotatable | 14:30 |
| locusf | yeah | 14:30 |
| sledges | per-app basis | 14:30 |
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| locusf | packing, will create torrent next | 14:34 |
| sledges | locusf, i guess you were too busy to ping for releases.nemomobile.org | 14:35 |
| qwazix | Morpog_N9, when you got time please have a look at this PR and if it lgty too I'll merge https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/pull/10 | 14:37 |
| locusf | sledges: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:GWFWGUY3UQ5C7FQPVIO7BJBZJNPAPDCD&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce | 14:37 |
| locusf | sledges: yeah I have completely forgotten about it | 14:38 |
| locusf | lbt: ping ^ | 14:38 |
| lbt | locusf: who's taking over from sage as release guy | 14:39 |
| qwazix | locusf, is it arm or x86? | 14:39 |
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| sledges | lbt: he is | 14:39 |
| lbt | ok | 14:40 |
| locusf | qwazix: arm | 14:40 |
| qwazix | thx | 14:41 |
| qwazix | deleting the old torrent then | 14:41 |
| lbt | can someone find a commandline torrent client I can use on mer infra - ideally on opensuse, debian if not - that will safely just be a superseed (?) for our stuff | 14:43 |
| locusf | lbt: deluge-cli? | 14:43 |
| sledges | wiki updated with new torrent | 14:43 |
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| locusf | umm deluge-console | 14:43 |
| lbt | locusf: ok - I'd appreciate a few simple notes on how to set it up and configure it to serve a directory - so you will use a process to build a release image on img, we'll add/use the 'publish' participant and then add it to the torrent list | 14:45 |
| lbt | etherpad notes is fine | 14:45 |
| lbt | I have a little script I run as a user which triggers an IMG process to do 80% of that | 14:46 |
| locusf | hmm | 14:46 |
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| locusf | lbt: what do you mean, serve a directory? | 14:50 |
| lbt | img publishes results in a dir | 14:50 |
| lbt | log/img/ks/urls | 14:50 |
| locusf | oh yeah | 14:50 |
| lbt | so ideally that'd be a single torrent | 14:50 |
| locusf | whole dirs as to share | 14:50 |
| locusf | yeah | 14:50 |
| locusf | I don't know if deluge is that scriptable | 14:50 |
| locusf | tbh | 14:51 |
| lbt | *nod* ... would be nice to find something | 14:51 |
| locusf | the rpc interface does have create_torrent | 14:52 |
| lbt | ok ... bbiab ... send me an email with a newly generated ssh public key | 14:52 |
| locusf | and its usable via python | 14:52 |
| locusf | lbt: ok :9 | 14:52 |
| lbt | ok, that may be enough | 14:52 |
| qwazix | transmission-daemon also looks pretty powerful though I don't have experience with it | 14:55 |
| qwazix | this might help: http://linuxserver2011.wordpress.com/2011/11/04/transmission-installationconfiguration-on-ubuntu-server/ | 14:55 |
| locusf | lbt: whats your email? | 14:58 |
| lbt | srsly... | 14:58 |
| lbt | david@dgreaves.com :) | 14:58 |
| locusf | ah :) | 14:59 |
| locusf | didn't remember it :) | 14:59 |
| sledges | we'll need to ask dm8tbr to delete this line in logs now ;D | 14:59 |
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| lbt | nah ... my email is all over the net ... I have evolved good spam filters (in fact they're so evolved I'm surprised they're not on here) | 15:02 |
| sledges | so evolved that started filtering people? ;) | 15:03 |
| sledges | is the ultimate nightmare of having spam filters - they just reduce the amount of -any- emails eventually :D | 15:04 |
| dm8tbr | hummm? | 15:11 |
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| qwazix | best work spamfilter: randomly drops a third of incoming mails | 15:22 |
| faenil | lol | 15:23 |
| qwazix | I can see the marketing speech: * Instantly reduces your work by 33% | 15:23 |
| sledges | best amount of false positives :D | 15:24 |
| qwazix | * Makes you 33% more productive | 15:24 |
| locusf | lol :) | 15:25 |
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| zbenjamin | sledges: yay finally merged... i's a bit embarrasing but i could not figure out why it works this way and not in another, if don't had to compile it for every try that would have been easier, you know just run the desktop from bare qml files | 16:00 |
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| sledges | debug? ;) | 16:01 |
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| zbenjamin | what do you mean? | 16:03 |
| sledges | to figure out why it worked that way and not the other | 16:03 |
| zbenjamin | ah well, i tried with debug output but well ;) | 16:04 |
| sledges | i.e. maybe it needed to return all branches of 90,180,270 switch | 16:04 |
| sledges | weird indeed | 16:04 |
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| faenil | locusf, ping | 16:17 |
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| locusf | faenil: pong | 16:19 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix: how much do you think we should put the size of the inline dialog text ? | 17:31 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, good question, let me see... | 17:39 |
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| qwazix | sandy_locke, there is no point in defining special text size for inlineDialog. Font size should adhere to the components used there. If you would put text only it would be a Label which doesn't have a spec but it is the same font as button everywhere else. | 17:45 |
| qwazix | i.e. 24pt Light | 17:45 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 17:45 |
| qwazix | Morpog_N9, ^^ | 17:47 |
| qwazix | also I'm pretty sure we have that kind of drop shadow somewhere else too | 17:50 |
| Morpog_N9 | sounds ok | 17:51 |
| Morpog_N9 | don't think we have specced a shadow yet | 17:52 |
| qwazix | bottom of the listview | 17:52 |
| qwazix | though you only got it's height | 17:53 |
| sandy_locke | I'll look into it | 17:56 |
| Morpog_N9 | well, that was a fade out, not actually a shadow | 17:57 |
| qwazix | right | 17:58 |
| sandy_locke | anyway, my shadow was almost the same hight as the one on listview | 17:58 |
| sandy_locke | 13vs 15 | 17:58 |
| sandy_locke | so I put mine to 15 | 17:58 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 17:59 |
| qwazix | also, does it doesn't begin from completely black does it? | 18:01 |
| qwazix | please specify the starting color value too | 18:01 |
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| Morpog_N9 | well, I provided a graphic file therw | 18:14 |
| Morpog_N9 | it begans completely black iirc | 18:14 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: corrections commited | 18:26 |
| sandy_locke | arf^^ | 18:26 |
| sandy_locke | didn't precise the color value | 18:26 |
| sandy_locke | but it begin as black, so... maybe it's not needed, qwazix ? | 18:27 |
| qwazix | It would be better if we're completely clear, but it's not super-important, no | 18:29 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, also `px` should be `u` on the right hand side | 18:31 |
| sandy_locke | ok then, I'll change that | 18:32 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix: u or pt ? | 18:34 |
| qwazix | u | 18:35 |
| sandy_locke | k | 18:35 |
| qwazix | pt is used for fonts only | 18:35 |
| sandy_locke | so, do I change the 'px' of fonts too ? | 18:36 |
| qwazix | change the dropshadow to 15u and the fontsize to 24pt | 18:36 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 18:37 |
| sandy_locke | nothing else ? | 18:37 |
| qwazix | (though using pt here is an abuse of the term) | 18:37 |
| qwazix | no, that's all | 18:37 |
| sandy_locke | k | 18:37 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: k, commit submited :) | 18:39 |
| Morpog_N9 | \o/ | 18:40 |
| sandy_locke | :D | 18:40 |
| qwazix | Merged | 18:41 |
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| qwazix | thanks sandy_locke, and sorry for the back and forth, first time is always like that :-) | 18:42 |
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| sandy_locke | np :) | 18:43 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | hmm cant swipe in nemo on n9? | 18:43 |
| sandy_locke | happy to have won the battle ;) | 18:43 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | can't* | 18:43 |
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| Morpog_N9 | it should work | 18:46 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | Can someone tell if there is an "fresh" N9 image? because the one I built using kickstart file does not work? | 18:48 |
| locusf | mike7b4_on_x230: I just made one today | 18:48 |
| locusf | mike7b4_on_x230: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:GWFWGUY3UQ5C7FQPVIO7BJBZJNPAPDCD&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce | 18:48 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | ok, what ks file is that build on? | 18:48 |
| locusf | https://github.com/faenil/NemoWaylandKickstart/blob/master/nemo-armv7hl-n950-rnd.ks | 18:49 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | hmm same as ks as mine hmm | 18:50 |
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| qwazix | mike7b4_on_x230, couldn't swipe till I updated this morning | 18:51 |
| qwazix | just try zypper ref && zypper dup via ssh and it should be fixed | 18:51 |
| qwazix | also rotation works now in home | 18:51 |
| mike7b4_on_x230 | well have to try the image above, but just wierd that it does not work when just created image myself from exact same ks :/ | 18:53 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | yay remade image, removed mic-cache now it works :) | 19:22 |
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| Morpog_PC | Sfiet_Konstantin, I just checked out the progress spinner. Good job, but maybe a bit too fast. | 19:35 |
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| locusf | Morpog_PC: check it out in action in my spinner branch of colorful-home | 19:57 |
| Morpog_PC | glacier branch? | 19:59 |
| Morpog_PC | found it | 20:01 |
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| sledges | mike7b4_on_x230: it's not weird, the updates and fixes are coming in hourly ;) | 20:14 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: the spinner looked too slow for me compared to your gif | 20:16 |
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| sledges | Sfiet said that he did it on purpose | 20:16 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, in the quick controls examples it looks too fast | 20:16 |
| sledges | the speed is adjustable for debugging matters | 20:17 |
| Morpog_PC | in locusf code it looks a bit too slow | 20:17 |
| Morpog_PC | also general fade in/out needs to be faster, now that I see it live in action | 20:17 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: on VM? | 20:17 |
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| locusf | Morpog_PC: oh | 20:28 |
| locusf | its fine on n9 | 20:28 |
| locusf | wee fast | 20:29 |
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| Morpog_N9 | sle | 20:48 |
| Morpog_N9 | sledges, yep | 20:48 |
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| piggz | so, who has installed sailfish_n9 0.0.2 on their n9? | 21:36 |
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| sledges | Morpog_N9: very nice, lockscreen rotates and works flawlessly also in portrait! | 21:40 |
| Morpog_N9 | cool | 21:42 |
| sledges | you coded blind ;) | 21:42 |
| Morpog_N9 | video time? :D | 21:42 |
| sledges | already taking :D | 21:43 |
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| Morpog_N9 | show vkb too and labe qtqzick xontrols examples | 21:43 |
| Morpog_N9 | omg my typing | 21:47 |
| sledges | ok | 21:47 |
| Morpog_N9 | quite some progress | 21:48 |
| sledges | argh, finally got perfect video | 21:52 |
| sledges | but then vkb did not pop out in gallery examples textinput field :D | 21:52 |
| sledges | anyway, uploading | 21:52 |
| sledges | (you will see how slow progress spinner is on my n9.. updated one) | 21:52 |
| Morpog_N9 | redoe till it's perfect? :D | 21:54 |
| sledges | it is how it is ;) | 21:55 |
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| sledges | looks good enough, but i let you decide when uploaded ;) | 21:55 |
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| sledges | *trout :P | 21:59 |
| Morpog_N9 | a large one ;) | 21:59 |
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| sledges | http://youtu.be/lI9kwmWOVyU | 22:13 |
| sledges | take it or leave it :D | 22:13 |
| Morpog_N9 | lets take it, maybe write WIP | 22:19 |
| Morpog_N9 | love the vkb animation | 22:19 |
| Morpog_N9 | btw spinner is like 3 tikes as fast in vm | 22:19 |
| Morpog_N9 | times | 22:20 |
| Morpog_N9 | button would haveöbeen cool too | 22:21 |
| sledges | a ok, i was comparing spinner speed to http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/example.gif | 22:22 |
| sledges | ok, I'll reshoot ;) | 22:23 |
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| Morpog_PC | i think the vkb didnt show up as you moved the text cursor around there | 22:25 |
| Morpog_PC | Try it before you shoot ;) | 22:25 |
| Morpog_PC | and mount that cam somewhere ;) | 22:25 |
| sledges | no vkb in examples textinput :/ | 22:27 |
| Morpog_PC | :( | 22:28 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Btw sandy_locke do u have an account on qwazix grog blog? | 22:38 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | You could blog about your lates commits | 22:39 |
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| Morpog_Mobile_ | Btw sledges, seen that mascara project? Maybe take thst into consideration when rewriting homescreens and notifications | 22:53 |
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| sledges | Morpog_Mobile_, all: http://youtu.be/rKiGdIQraCQ | 22:54 |
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| sledges | mascara is to handle all non-home notifications (pin query, usb mode). I think we can transition there bit by bit yes | 22:55 |
| sledges | hope it can be decoupled from current lipstick.git | 22:56 |
| w00t | you don't have to worry about it too much yet, it hasn't done much more than showing simple "hello world" type dialogs | 22:58 |
| Morpog_Mobile_ | sledges: perfect video | 22:58 |
| w00t | i'm trying to figure out how to handle the "does the logic for showing this mean I should show it" type cases, at the moment, e.g. you don't want to pop a pin query dialog if the SIM doesn't require a pin, even if you were asked to do so | 22:58 |
| sledges | Morpog_Mobile_: wanted to thank you for pushing this vid to perfection. I was in "I'll only show you how slow spinner is"-mood today :D | 23:00 |
| Morpog_Mobile_ | :D | 23:00 |
| Morpog_Mobile_ | And now tweet time | 23:01 |
| sledges | https://twitter.com/NemoMobile/status/402934637317459968 | 23:01 |
| sledges | before you said :D | 23:01 |
| Morpog_Mobile_ | o/ | 23:02 |
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| sledges | w00t: yup, i feel your case :) | 23:06 |
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| sandy_locke | sledges: will you have time tomorrow to help me partition my n9 for nemo ? | 23:20 |
| sandy_locke | MOSLO won't do the job :/ | 23:20 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Sandy, did you try qeazix command? | 23:21 |
| sandy_locke | yes, you mean to flash fully ? yes | 23:21 |
| sandy_locke | it didn't work ^^ | 23:21 |
| Morpog_Mobile | That no preserve option | 23:21 |
| sandy_locke | yup | 23:21 |
| sandy_locke | I've no luck at all ... | 23:21 |
| Morpog_Mobile | :( | 23:22 |
| sandy_locke | btw, I have an account on qwazix 's blog | 23:22 |
| sandy_locke | you think I should create a new article about the dialogs ? | 23:22 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Sure! | 23:22 |
| sandy_locke | ok, I'll find time to do it then | 23:22 |
| Morpog_Mobile | We need attention | 23:22 |
| Morpog_Mobile | More contributors | 23:23 |
| sandy_locke | yes, we should do shoutouts on several forums if not already | 23:23 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Someciapresence is always good | 23:23 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Some media presence* | 23:24 |
| sandy_locke | you're right | 23:24 |
| sandy_locke | did you try to reach engadget & al to let them spread the word ? | 23:24 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Dunno im also relatively new as active contributor | 23:25 |
| M4rtinK | the eternal dilemma - should I code or write about my project/document it/sleep/eat/write tests ... | 23:25 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, is this stuff already zypper-updatable ? | 23:26 |
| sledges | developers deveopers ... :D | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | I think both is possible | 23:26 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Day needs more hours | 23:26 |
| sledges | M4rtinK: yes | 23:26 |
| M4rtinK | so I'll update my N950 then | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: did you see my message above ? | 23:26 |
| M4rtinK | well, tomorrow :) | 23:26 |
| sledges | not from x11/qt4 image though ;P | 23:26 |
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| M4rtinK | I have that one from Oct/Nov | 23:27 |
| Morpog_Mobile | D0n'tget Balmer involved he soon has much freetime :D | 23:27 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: yes, i read the backlog ;) | 23:27 |
| sledges | M4rtinK: good | 23:27 |
| M4rtinK | I'm already using it for "hey, look, actual (even mobile!) device running Wayland & Qt5!" :) | 23:28 |
| sandy_locke | ok, because I'm sad w/o my nemo ;) | 23:28 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23nemomobile/%23nemomobile.2013-11-18.log.html#t2013-11-18T12:20:55 | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, no crashes so far | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK | just some funny (recoverable) artifacts here and there | 23:29 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: yeah, I read it but I cannot telnet into the device ^^ | 23:30 |
| sledges | but you can run fdisk from harmattan | 23:30 |
| sandy_locke | sfdisk | 23:30 |
| sledges | or from ubiboot kernel | 23:30 |
| sledges | sfdisk is mistery | 23:31 |
| sledges | fdisk is there | 23:31 |
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| sandy_locke | fdisk is not available in harmattan afaik | 23:31 |
| sledges | just under /sbin/ ;) | 23:31 |
| sandy_locke | ok, then can I run it from *inside* harmattan ? | 23:31 |
| sandy_locke | 'cause I might break sth, no ? | 23:31 |
| sledges | if you just delete and recreate partition number 4 | 23:32 |
| sledges | nothing will break | 23:32 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 23:32 |
| sandy_locke | I'll try that then | 23:32 |
| sandy_locke | thx :) | 23:32 |
| sledges | speak tomorrow ;) | 23:33 |
| sledges | gnite all! | 23:33 |
| Morpog_Mobile | n8 | 23:33 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: , wait a sec | 23:33 |
| sandy_locke | just a question | 23:33 |
| sledges | O_o | 23:33 |
| sandy_locke | what about the part of deleting partition 2 ??? | 23:33 |
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| sledges | if you can boot harmattan | 23:34 |
| sledges | means partition 2 is sane | 23:35 |
| sledges | (unlike in wiki) | 23:35 |
| sledges | you'll just need to ensure partition 4 is there in a shrunk space | 23:35 |
| sledges | and not touch partition 2 | 23:35 |
| sledges | so your reference (if you have 16gb n9) is the second table | 23:35 |
| sandy_locke | so I just create a 4th partition, and MOSLO will allocate space in it ? | 23:35 |
| sledges | MOSLO has already shrunk partition 2 | 23:36 |
| sledges | and you will create partition 4 in that space | 23:36 |
| sandy_locke | mmmh, that I don't know | 23:36 |
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| sledges | double check the start end numbers every time | 23:36 |
| sandy_locke | anyway I'll see and if I'm in trouble I'll bother you tomorrow ;) | 23:36 |
| sledges | you will see what's the picture | 23:36 |
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| sledges | and arrive to the 2nd table layout | 23:36 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 23:36 |
| sledges | simples | 23:36 |
| sledges | :D | 23:36 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 23:37 |
| sledges | i'll be around | 23:37 |
| sandy_locke | thx :) | 23:37 |
| sledges | once partition 4 in place, you'll have to format it | 23:37 |
| sledges | and all moslo will do is to export it as Alt_OS from then on | 23:37 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 23:37 |
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| sandy_locke | mmh, I can't find fdisk in /sbin | 23:43 |
| sandy_locke | will try another place | 23:43 |
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| sandy_locke | nope, no fdisk in there, sledges ^^ | 23:46 |
| * sledges looks | 23:47 | |
| sledges | are you checking as devel-su | 23:47 |
| sledges | ? | 23:47 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: ^ | 23:47 |
| sandy_locke | yes | 23:47 |
| sledges | true my apologies | 23:48 |
| sledges | mkfs.ext4 is what's in there ;) | 23:48 |
| sandy_locke | and there's no text ui for it | 23:48 |
| sandy_locke | so I'm afraid to do bad stuffs | 23:49 |
| sledges | you will need to soft-load ubiboot's kernel | 23:49 |
| sledges | and it will export the whole NAND via USB | 23:49 |
| sandy_locke | I've got the kernel, what's the command line ? | 23:49 |
| sandy_locke | I'll be able to ssh ? | 23:49 |
| sledges | flasher -k kernel -l -b | 23:50 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 23:50 |
| sledges | no need | 23:50 |
| sledges | but yes | 23:50 |
| sandy_locke | what do you mean no need ? | 23:50 |
| sledges | no need to ssh | 23:50 |
| sledges | it will export via USB | 23:50 |
| sledges | but yes, calmer to do all on-device, you're right | 23:51 |
| sandy_locke | the kernel is the zimage, right ? | 23:51 |
| sledges | yes | 23:51 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 23:52 |
| sandy_locke | ok, so I can ssh to 192.168.0.15 it seems | 23:53 |
| sledges | 2.15 | 23:53 |
| sledges | telnet | 23:53 |
| sledges | ;) | 23:53 |
| sandy_locke | nope, it doesn't work :/ | 23:54 |
| sandy_locke | 0 or 2 | 23:54 |
| sandy_locke | telnet or ssh | 23:54 |
| sandy_locke | it won't connect | 23:54 |
| sledges | ping | 23:54 |
| sledges | ping 192.168.2.15 | 23:54 |
| sandy_locke | no luck | 23:55 |
| sandy_locke | ping 0 or 2 nothing | 23:55 |
| sledges | then the problem is on your host :/ | 23:55 |
| sandy_locke | on linux it does the same ^^ | 23:55 |
| sledges | other machine? | 23:55 |
| sandy_locke | no VM | 23:55 |
| sledges | or virtual | 23:55 |
| sandy_locke | I don't have another machine | 23:55 |
| sledges | well, you might be on a wifi subnet 192.168.2.255 | 23:56 |
| sledges | some conflicts | 23:56 |
| sandy_locke | no wifi is 1.255 | 23:56 |
| sandy_locke | on harmattan I can ssh to 2.15 | 23:56 |
| sledges | D: | 23:56 |
| sandy_locke | via usb | 23:56 |
| sledges | surely you have usb plugged now needless to ask..... | 23:57 |
| sandy_locke | yup, usb connected ;) | 23:57 |
| sledges | on your host | 23:57 |
| sledges | ifconfig | 23:57 |
| sledges | (or ping 192.168.2.100 - that's your host's IP now on usb eth) | 23:57 |
| sandy_locke | it must be en3 on ifconfig, and it says disconnected | 23:57 |
| sledges | if you're sure it's en3 | 23:58 |
| sledges | do `ifconfig en3 192.168.2.101` | 23:58 |
| sledges | and then ping 2.15 | 23:58 |
| sandy_locke | 2.100 does not reply | 23:58 |
| sandy_locke | permission denied | 23:58 |
| sledges | sudo | 23:58 |
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