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| sledges | updated https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier | 00:49 |
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| juiceme | morning :) | 06:12 |
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| locusf | morning | 08:28 |
| niqt | morning | 08:30 |
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| sledges | morning | 08:44 |
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| locusf | I was thinking about starting to port colorful-home to use nemo qtquickcontrols, making components as needed while moving along | 09:16 |
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| sledges | sounds exciting locusf | 10:08 |
| sledges | do you need any specs? | 10:09 |
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| qwazix | sledges, PR merged | 11:07 |
| sledges | qwazix: efcharisties :) | 11:09 |
| sledges | feeling better qwazix ? | 11:09 |
| qwazix | hehe, it's you I should thank, I was about to do that yesterday but I was too stoned to do it. Damn flu... | 11:10 |
| qwazix | I don't know, daytime is always better... | 11:10 |
| sledges | true, | 11:11 |
| sledges | lots of tea with ouzo ;) | 11:11 |
| zbenjamin | qwazix: you got the flu too? it hit me on friday and i was feeling like on a very bad trip the whole weekend | 11:12 |
| qwazix | I'm more of a brandy guy. Ouzo in this case would have me mumbling nonsense I suppose... | 11:12 |
| qwazix | zbenjamin, that exactly. | 11:12 |
| sledges | national practise: big shot of pure spirits in the late evening and then dive straight under several layers of bed sheets :) | 11:13 |
| qwazix | yeah, that's good. The difficult part is when you sweat too much in the bed sheets and everything becomes wet... | 11:15 |
| sledges | that's the mandatory part of flu exorcism | 11:16 |
| zbenjamin | you know that alcohol can weaken your immune system because the body needs to take care of the alcohol | 11:16 |
| sledges | prepare with extra mattress protector and chuck the sheets to washing | 11:16 |
| sledges | zbenjamin: from scientific PoV yes, but maybe it's placebo that works for us? :)) | 11:16 |
| zbenjamin | sledges: maybe ;) | 11:16 |
| qwazix | zbenjamin, probably, but we aren't talking about any significant quantity, just a bit to calm the throat a bit and dilute the pain | 11:16 |
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| sledges | and induce sweating | 11:17 |
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| zbenjamin | hm i guess the amount is key | 11:17 |
| sledges | yea, just a shot before bedtime | 11:17 |
| sledges | do not spread throughout the day :)) | 11:17 |
| sledges | (scratch the tea & ouzo bit ;)) | 11:18 |
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| qwazix | btw sledges, any thoughts about dialogs? | 11:39 |
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| sledges | qwazix: I like the one on the left: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pdj8hr4y4h9wed2/Normal_Dialog_Unobstrusive.png | 11:45 |
| qwazix | hmm, that makes it all more difficult :P | 11:46 |
| sledges | it will also look fine with dark image behind, job done | 11:46 |
| sledges | qwazix: do you mean blur? | 11:46 |
| qwazix | no I mean that the other guys liked the right one :P | 11:46 |
| * sledges rereads the backlog | 11:47 | |
| qwazix | (or maybe I don't remember correctly?) | 11:47 |
| sledges | flu ;) | 11:47 |
| qwazix | yeah | 11:47 |
| sledges | the right one is barely readable | 11:47 |
| qwazix | ??? | 11:47 |
| qwazix | are we looking at the same thing? | 11:48 |
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| sledges | oh dam | 11:48 |
| qwazix | the right one has a darker background | 11:48 |
| sledges | who's with flu here? | 11:48 |
| sledges | :DDDD | 11:48 |
| sledges | no excuses for me, although I'll try one: since started driving in UK after 8 years of driving in contintental Europe, (had no sides-related accidents), but cannot tell left from right anymore~ | 11:49 |
| qwazix | hahahaha! | 11:49 |
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| qwazix | I feel you, I was driving for 5 years in Cyprus | 11:49 |
| sledges | honestly, i ask people to show directions with their hands rather than telling works when they are in the car :D | 11:49 |
| sledges | *words | 11:50 |
| qwazix | anyway, I'm for the darker one too, as it works for all backgrounds, and it can function even without blur | 11:51 |
| sledges | ok, let's try again, I like "the darker one" :D | 11:51 |
| qwazix | good, we have a consensus then :) | 11:52 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, ^^ | 11:52 |
| sledges | whew, that was an easy one :D | 11:52 |
| sledges | let's move on :) | 11:52 |
| sledges | I disliked the bits to let user choose if they w | 11:52 |
| sledges | want blur on their device or not | 11:52 |
| qwazix | also the blue button needs semibold as per the spec | 11:52 |
| sledges | i wouldn't like glacier to become another compiz-settings-manager | 11:52 |
| sledges | increases complexity | 11:53 |
| sledges | some adaptive benchmarks (agains FPS) idea I very much liked | 11:53 |
| qwazix | ok, agreed as long as there is a way to force it via gconf or something | 11:53 |
| sledges | is there a way to monitor FPS and expose that API (via DBUS)? | 11:54 |
| sledges | would be another innovation ;) | 11:54 |
| sledges | like, "get me an average FPS of last 5 minutes" | 11:54 |
| sledges | should ask Qt/compositor guys | 11:54 |
| qwazix | not a bad idea, but would we want to do such changes on the fly? Wouldn't it be weird if it's there and after 5min it's not? | 11:55 |
| sledges | need to analyse use case scenarios | 11:56 |
| sledges | it might work out, it might not | 11:56 |
| sledges | ideally, if one uses their phone casually, it's always not overloaded | 11:56 |
| sledges | and only <10% of time phone is overloaded with apps and ongoing background processes | 11:57 |
| sledges | (also works fine if it's vice versa) | 11:57 |
| sledges | (for super active phone hackers :)) | 11:57 |
| sledges | but if most user scenarios overload their phone in a random pattern, then it would be as you say - weird - 5 min blur, next 5 min just fade in | 11:58 |
| qwazix | but most of the times the high-load situations are hard to predict (heavy website + incoming call for example) | 11:58 |
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| sledges | correct, the question is, what fraction of phone usage those random situations occupy | 12:00 |
| sledges | also with fast hardware we might be FPS-lucky more than not | 12:00 |
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| sledges | and it's not too weird BTW: remember N9's LPM - graphics quality reduces in that mode, and not many complained about it (Lumia series have LPM since this summer :DD) | 12:01 |
| sledges | now we should ask ourselves: is "blur in" really worth innovating, seeing all the challenges above? | 12:03 |
| qwazix | sledges, LPM graphics are always the same for the same situation, for dialogs it might be that one dialog has blur and another doesn't (or even the same one) | 12:04 |
| qwazix | btw, for >dualcore we can think of isolating one cpu for important things like calls http://xmodulo.com/2013/10/run-program-process-specific-cpu-cores-linux.html | 12:04 |
| sledges | qwazix: that's right, I'm also worried about consistency, and moreover, we might need extensive case studies of how people use phones first, which might return inconclusive, due to unpredictable high-load situations and different HW | 12:06 |
| qwazix | I think that the way apple does it is the easiest and safest. Enable it in certain devices. Now we can get a bit smarter, and run a benchmark on first boot, or read the specs from /sys/ instead of hardcoding in .ks | 12:08 |
| sledges | PS: if one hasn't got their eye glasses on, blur-in and fade-in don't differ that much *g* | 12:09 |
| qwazix | lol | 12:10 |
| sledges | qwazix: we shouldn't forget, that if we benchmark and find out it's a high-end device, we enable dialog blur-in. but then we should do many other fancy shader stuff (otherwise there'sn't much differentiation). like blurring in anything what's otherwise fading-in (lockscreen etc), and not to forget when we should stop before creating another monster :) | 12:11 |
| sledges | but the approach "sniff out what piece of hw we're installing on" is very appealing | 12:13 |
| * sledges keeps pondering about the marvellous "resize SVGs on device during install" bit ;) | 12:13 | |
| sledges | *into PNGs | 12:13 |
| qwazix | sledges, agreed, dialogs only isn't worth it | 12:14 |
| qwazix | but we already have other things that could benefit from live blurring (we could have live wallpapers for example) | 12:15 |
| sledges | that one | 12:15 |
| sledges | from implementation PoV this benchmarking behaviour will increase complexity in code, so needs to be thought-out well | 12:16 |
| qwazix | anyway though, we should first focus on delivering a usable thing IMO and then spend time on bling | 12:16 |
| sledges | +1 | 12:16 |
| sledges | was about to suggest - wait until we have enough time spent on using Glacier V1 | 12:17 |
| sledges | ;) | 12:17 |
| sledges | keep it simple for now and fade-in? | 12:17 |
| qwazix | that's what I'd do for now, yeah | 12:18 |
| sledges | +1 | 12:18 |
| sledges | sorry sandy_locke :) | 12:18 |
| sledges | but great idea for the future bling | 12:18 |
| sledges | OrokuSaki: from yesterday, you need to check if your theme-name says 'glacier' (zypper in -f nemo-theme-glacier) | 12:20 |
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| sledges | sandy_locke: sorry to hear about your N9, i was afk yesterday, but was wishing you'd come across https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#FATAL:_Re-partitioning_failed.21_You_might_be_in_trouble.21 | 12:20 |
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| qwazix | btw, I installed ubuntu tablet "stable" on my Nexus 7 to check it out... What a joke! | 12:26 |
| Stskeeps | oh? | 12:28 |
| qwazix | Yeah, sad. It shouldn't have been called stable by a longshot | 12:29 |
| qwazix | The performance was abysmal and it froze on me less than a minute after boot | 12:30 |
| qwazix | twice. Then I removed it. | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | :nod; | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | used mir didn't it | 12:30 |
| qwazix | I think so yeah | 12:31 |
| qwazix | I'll try a more recent version some time and see if it's gotten any better. | 12:31 |
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| sandy_locke | hi peops | 12:47 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I tested it some time ago and what striked me was that apps were really scarce, like the web browser which didn't allow to type your own address | 12:47 |
| sandy_locke | and navigating through the UI was inintuitive and a real pain too ! | 12:48 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: I see the comp list has been updated on the wiki | 12:53 |
| sandy_locke | it seems we're almost done ? | 12:53 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, sledges updated it | 12:53 |
| qwazix | let me see, we might be forgetting something | 12:54 |
| qwazix | we still have the contextRoller and selectRoller to finish, and I am not happy with the slotmachine date/timepicker. Circular/calendar is better | 12:56 |
| qwazix | also sheets should be removed IMO and replaced with big dialogs, no need to have two kinds of them | 12:57 |
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| sandy_locke | ok, I'll finish the dialogs today | 12:58 |
| sandy_locke | we'll see how sheets can be merged into them | 12:58 |
| sandy_locke | +1 on circular/calendar instead of slotmachine | 12:59 |
| sandy_locke | like the idea and originality | 12:59 |
| sandy_locke | +easy to use and intuitive | 12:59 |
| sandy_locke | dunno what contextRoller & selectRoller is, if you have link to example ? | 13:00 |
| sandy_locke | page indicators, ratings & more indicator are nowhere to be seen in mockups, or did I miss sth ? | 13:03 |
| qwazix | sorry, just a sec | 13:04 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 13:05 |
| sandy_locke | then we'll need to design core apps | 13:05 |
| sandy_locke | I also find text fields too close to android's ... | 13:06 |
| sandy_locke | but they're nice though | 13:07 |
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| qwazix | sandy_locke, about rollers http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=615 | 13:10 |
| sandy_locke | I see, thx | 13:11 |
| qwazix | page indicators are pointless unless we specify a pager component, which we should first discuss. It's cool for some applications that have certain same-level pages, but maybe it's confusign to mix it with drill-down navigation? | 13:12 |
| qwazix | ratings are nowhere in the mockups and should be implemented | 13:12 |
| sandy_locke | k | 13:12 |
| qwazix | more indicator, I don't know, each use is a bit different, we could make one for lists and provide an easy api for lazyload too | 13:13 |
| sandy_locke | what about a swipe down or up to load more ? | 13:14 |
| qwazix | we also should do a harmattan -> glacier guide, saying which component corresponds to which. It'll help developers port apps and us to spot missing components | 13:15 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, that too | 13:15 |
| qwazix | should be part of the listView | 13:15 |
| sandy_locke | I designed the comp list to have the same comp name as the ones from the Qt Components app | 13:15 |
| qwazix | ah, okay perfect | 13:17 |
| qwazix | so that's our guide too :) | 13:17 |
| sandy_locke | :) | 13:17 |
| * sandy_locke on phone... | 13:19 | |
| * sandy_locke is available again :) | 13:22 | |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: I'm updating the comp list with of those new details | 13:23 |
| sandy_locke | *w/o "of" | 13:23 |
| sledges | qwazix, sandy_locke, hi, im back too | 13:24 |
| sandy_locke | hi sledges :) | 13:24 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, yeah, go ahead | 13:24 |
| sledges | faenil implemented toolbar, which acts like Header imho | 13:24 |
| qwazix | wb sledges | 13:24 |
| sledges | so a bit of confusion in there | 13:24 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I saw that sledges | 13:24 |
| sledges | (terms) | 13:24 |
| faenil | sledges, headerdock is a different thing | 13:24 |
| faenil | the one I committed is the QCC toolbar, which is just a black rect | 13:24 |
| faenil | I have the headerdock prototype somewhere but have stopped playing with it since yu know when | 13:25 |
| qwazix | sorry in advance for the following spam: | 13:26 |
| qwazix | ###DISCUSS: Do we want a Pager component? | 13:27 |
| qwazix | ###DISCUSS: LazyLoading and Pull-Refresh in lists | 13:27 |
| sandy_locke | and therefore a page indicator | 13:27 |
| qwazix | ###DISCUSS: Time/Date pickers | 13:28 |
| qwazix | ok, done | 13:28 |
| qwazix | I just wanted to tag things so that we can get easily back here with a search in the logs | 13:28 |
| sandy_locke | for time/date pickers I'm really into the circular stuff | 13:29 |
| sandy_locke | I only see pros to this kind of design | 13:30 |
| qwazix | yep me too, but it can always be improved | 13:30 |
| qwazix | maybe there are some cool ideas | 13:31 |
| qwazix | we also have a component (almost) http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=231 | 13:32 |
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| qwazix | time to rest a while. Cya later | 13:34 |
| sledges | get well soon qwazix | 13:34 |
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| sandy_locke | like the first implementation (link above) :) | 13:39 |
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| locusf | sledges: surely yes | 13:53 |
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| locusf | eg. Label would be nice to be specced | 13:56 |
| locusf | (for Viewplaceholder) | 13:56 |
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| sledges | locusf, I think this label needs to be upstreamed as NemoLabel: https://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/master/src/styles/ButtonStyle.qml#L70 | 14:03 |
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| sledges | i see what you mean locusf https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-viewplaceholder.html | 14:44 |
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| sandy_locke | when someone comes here, take a look at https://www.dropbox.com/s/j5u3hq737qyndqe/Selection_Dialog.png | 14:56 |
| sandy_locke | and tell me what you think... | 14:56 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: ^ | 14:56 |
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| sandy_locke | selection dialogs are different from list views, in that they can appear dynamically inside the window | 14:59 |
| sandy_locke | dialog is unobstrusive and don't need a new window to appear above the previous one | 15:00 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: I think you can marry your idea with this concept: https://github.com/qwazix/glacier-controls-spec/blob/master/selectRoller/selectRoller.png | 15:00 |
| sandy_locke | yup, then do you think we should merge selection dialogs and selectRollers, sledges ? | 15:01 |
| sandy_locke | since we want dialogs to steal focus the least as possible | 15:02 |
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| sledges | sandy_locke: where did you come across term 'selection dialog' out of mere interest..? | 15:05 |
| locusf | sledges: I think you are right, I can just port Label into the button then | 15:06 |
| sledges | Mostly the font-matters should be abstracted up | 15:07 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: from the QML component app | 15:07 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: qtcomponents ? | 15:07 |
| sledges | right, now i see where you're coming from :) | 15:08 |
| * sledges fires up vm | 15:08 | |
| sandy_locke | no, qmlcomponent, I think it was provided by locusf | 15:08 |
| sledges | QmlComponentsGallery | 15:08 |
| sandy_locke | yup :) | 15:08 |
| sledges | i know now what you mean :) | 15:08 |
| sledges | thanks | 15:08 |
| * sledges looks | 15:08 | |
| sandy_locke | you're welcome | 15:08 |
| locusf | what where when | 15:09 |
| sandy_locke | ^^, sorry, I thought you were the one who gave me the qmlcomponent gallery package in the first place, but I may be wrong | 15:10 |
| sledges | yes, we should simply merge those two (selection dialogs and selectRollers) sandy_locke | 15:11 |
| sandy_locke | ok, good, problem solved then :) | 15:12 |
| sledges | yes, job done :)) | 15:13 |
| sandy_locke | and then multi selection dialogs are the same with, well, multi-selection ... | 15:19 |
| sandy_locke | I'll send a pull request on qwazix repo to add it to component specs designs | 15:19 |
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| locusf | hmm I should have really studied the damn c++ theming lol | 15:29 |
| sledges | locusf: is all autogenerated ;) | 15:29 |
| locusf | except for the json | 15:29 |
| sledges | yea, json is flat | 15:30 |
| sledges | probably is what confuses you | 15:30 |
| sandy_locke | locusf: I read that you successfuly merged sailfish ui into nemo mobile, have you some links to see your work ? | 15:31 |
| locusf | sandy_locke: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr_yQwTUv3s http://locusf.blogspot.fi/2013/11/installing-sdk-version-of-sailfish-on-n9.html | 15:32 |
| sandy_locke | thx :) | 15:40 |
| locusf | np | 15:47 |
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| locusf | I got some errors regarding the use of Label theming, it was "Error: your root item must be a window" | 16:20 |
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| sledges | locusf: can I haz look? | 16:27 |
| locusf | I already git checkout . | 16:27 |
| locusf | to start over :) | 16:27 |
| sledges | :D | 16:27 |
| sledges | if it comes back | 16:27 |
| locusf | reading a paper now, for thesis work, will bbl | 16:27 |
| sledges | you might try wrapping it with Component { } | 16:27 |
| sledges | but better get to the bottom of this first | 16:28 |
| faenil | directly from pendolino train \o/ | 16:29 |
| faenil | can you sum up what happened today? :D | 16:29 |
| * sledges funiculi funicula...!! | 16:29 | |
| faenil | :P | 16:29 |
| sledges | 'ncoppa jamme ja | 16:30 |
| * sledges can't get out of head now :P | 16:30 | |
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| faenil | ahahah | 16:34 |
| faenil | come on! | 16:34 |
| faenil | don't make me read the backlog :D | 16:35 |
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| locusf | haven't been too active today so can't give a summary :/ | 16:39 |
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| faenil | where's that lazy a** :D | 16:45 |
| faenil | sledges, oh there you are o/ | 16:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | well, I just read the backlog too :D | 16:48 |
| faenil | yeah I've always done that :P | 16:48 |
| faenil | ok guys, screw you, won't do me a favour :P :D | 16:49 |
| Morpog_PC | well, it's hard to summarize faenil | 16:49 |
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| faenil | ;9 | 16:50 |
| faenil | ;) np | 16:50 |
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| sandy_locke | hey peops, what about the statusbar design ? do we have anything ? Like icons, layout and the like ? | 17:01 |
| sledges | faenil :D go read the backlog 11 times around church on your knees now :DD | 17:02 |
| faenil | sandy_locke, I think it's in hurrian's mockups? | 17:02 |
| faenil | but no specs afaik | 17:02 |
| faenil | ahaha | 17:02 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: yes, third pic: http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/components.html | 17:02 |
| sandy_locke | ok, that's what I thought | 17:04 |
| sandy_locke | thx | 17:04 |
| sandy_locke | it's a nice looking statusbar | 17:04 |
| sandy_locke | is hurrian available to draft specs for it ? | 17:05 |
| sandy_locke | like list of icons, paddings etc... | 17:05 |
| sledges | well in past Hurrian did most mockups, and Morpog_PC and/or qwazix specced | 17:05 |
| sledges | feel free to chip in | 17:05 |
| Morpog_PC | yay, I'm kinda busy lately iunfortunately | 17:07 |
| sledges | sandy_locke, Hurrian's PhotoShop sources of those mockups are available too (with vector graphics), ask around to obtain them | 17:07 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: that's what I was wondering | 17:08 |
| sandy_locke | Who shoud I ask N | 17:08 |
| sandy_locke | ? | 17:08 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, no vector graphics in there | 17:08 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC, a | 17:08 |
| sledges | :)) | 17:08 |
| sandy_locke | ps files should be engough | 17:08 |
| Morpog_PC | sandy, I can send you the PSD | 17:08 |
| sandy_locke | enough* | 17:08 |
| Morpog_PC | erm, better dropbox | 17:08 |
| sandy_locke | yup, that would be nice Morpog_PC , thx | 17:08 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: did we end-up vectorising them?.. | 17:09 |
| Morpog_PC | sledges, yes in our specs | 17:09 |
| sledges | like icons | 17:09 |
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| sledges | ermm.. how did you vectorise them ? (semi-)automatically? | 17:09 |
| Morpog_PC | manually | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | redrawn | 17:10 |
| sledges | 8) | 17:10 |
| sledges | the launcher icons I bet was PITA | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | ah well, those icons qwazix had ready | 17:10 |
| sledges | so you skipped those emobossed ones, and went ahead with breeze flat ones? | 17:10 |
| Morpog_PC | yep | 17:10 |
| sledges | is all making sense now :) | 17:11 |
| * sledges sadly likes the embossed icons way too much :D | 17:11 | |
| Morpog_PC | emboss is the past :) | 17:11 |
| sledges | i know i know | 17:11 |
| sledges | :D | 17:11 |
| Morpog_PC | we will add a subtle shadow to the icons though | 17:11 |
| Morpog_PC | if QtGraphicalEffects works out | 17:11 |
| sledges | PS: breeze icons are not flat flat, some backgrounds have radial gradients ;) | 17:11 |
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| sledges | which is nice | 17:12 |
| sledges | subtle ;) | 17:12 |
| Morpog_PC | well, but flatter than usual stuff ;) | 17:12 |
| sledges | yup | 17:12 |
| Morpog_PC | it's still uploading sandy_locke, I got a worse connection here | 17:12 |
| sandy_locke | Morpog_PC: np :) | 17:13 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: has it got the status bar? | 17:13 |
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| sledges | (probably irrelevant, as that can anyhow be carved out of the link above) | 17:14 |
| sledges | (since we talking raster here) | 17:15 |
| sandy_locke | Morpog_PC: so are there vectors for statusbar, or ... ? | 17:15 |
| Morpog_PC | no spec, no vector :) | 17:15 |
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| Morpog_PC | or are you talking bout PSD shapes? | 17:16 |
| sledges | no woman no cry | 17:16 |
| Morpog_PC | sandy_locke, https://db.tt/m0ccOdy8 | 17:16 |
| sandy_locke | I was talking about svg's | 17:17 |
| sandy_locke | thx Morpog_PC , but there's no statusbar in there... | 17:18 |
| locusf | hmm why doesn't my label page show anything :/ | 17:18 |
| sledges | Hurrian: ping | 17:20 |
| sledges | ^_^ | 17:20 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: if Hurrian doesn't come back soon, you could replicate just by looking at http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/images/QtControls.png | 17:21 |
| locusf | sledges: here if you wanna take a look https://github.com/locusf/qtquickcontrols-nemo/commit/24c18c9ebd6b0b640991bcba0734a0cff0f9cd26 | 17:22 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: as Morpog_PC said, SVGs need to be made by hand | 17:22 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I could... but I'll need more insight to figure out the dimensions of each comp | 17:23 |
| locusf | sledges: correction https://github.com/locusf/qtquickcontrols-nemo/commit/b9880a20248484cdb204d07f9294e970865dc2a4 | 17:23 |
| sandy_locke | what's the height of the statusbar ? | 17:24 |
| Morpog_PC | sandy_locke, define one | 17:27 |
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| Morpog_PC | smallest pressable icon size we want is about 50x50 | 17:27 |
| sandy_locke | ok, nice :) | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe have alook on sizes that are used in other components to have a consostense | 17:27 |
| Morpog_PC | consistense | 17:28 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: sandy_locke: what about this approach: http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/nemo/status_bar-scaled_to_our_reference-480x848_zps7b7e9096.png | 17:28 |
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| sandy_locke | sledges: this is what I'm gonna spec ;) | 17:29 |
| * sledges takes out the ruler | 17:29 | |
| sledges | :)) | 17:29 |
| sledges | locusf: try defining LabelStyle.qml in qtquickcontrols-nemo/src/styles (look at others) | 17:32 |
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| locusf | sledges: oh ok , thanks :) | 17:34 |
| sledges | locusf: the styles/ dir for example style the Button "the Glacier way" (background image and label) | 17:41 |
| * Morpog_PC thinks about having status bar only on homescreens | 17:42 | |
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| sledges | locusf: but they way you did it should still work | 17:43 |
| locusf | sledges: yes | 17:43 |
| sledges | locusf:/ | 17:43 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: is status bar shown during bottom-edge swipe? (and otherwise only mid-way through screen if notifications are pending) | 17:44 |
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| locusf | argh faenil just left | 17:45 |
| locusf | damn | 17:45 |
| locusf | well anyways https://github.com/locusf/qtquickcontrols-nemo/commit/a2ebde3b0a45c6e45354535948b6e5da39223711 | 17:45 |
| sledges | locusf: debug *g* | 17:47 |
| locusf | I don't know how to proceed as no additional output is generated in the console | 17:47 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: so you can sneak peek from under any app | 17:47 |
| locusf | or in journalctl | 17:47 |
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| Morpog_PC | sledges, sounds good | 17:50 |
| sledges | Morpog_PC: that's what I read out from mockup | 17:50 |
| sledges | (together with the sharpening glass lockscreen :)) | 17:51 |
| * sledges feels engrossed with Hurrian's nice ideas :) | 17:52 | |
| locusf | sledges: Labels view just results to black screen | 17:52 |
| locusf | very odd behaviour | 17:53 |
| locusf | qml is all good though | 17:53 |
| locusf | well there is some problem with Component.onCompleted not working | 17:55 |
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| sledges | locusf: what about a simple hardcoded case first: https://pastee.org/cj2xd | 18:06 |
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| sandy_locke | Morpog_PC: are you sure that statusbar icons should be 50x50 and no less ? | 18:30 |
| locusf | sledges: I had the same problem before too | 18:33 |
| locusf | sledges: the black screen | 18:33 |
| sledges | locusf: add this https://github.com/locusf/qtquickcontrols-nemo/blob/label/examples/touch/content/ButtonPage.qml#L49 | 18:37 |
| sledges | not to feel so black and be able to come back | 18:37 |
| sledges | for starters | 18:37 |
| sledges | speak laters fellows, have fun! | 18:37 |
| sledges | sandy_locke, Morpog_PC: I agree, in the scaled png I paster the icon looks ~42x42 | 18:38 |
| sledges | (it won't be clickable though iirc, so good to go ahead, as bigger would look odd) | 18:38 |
| locusf | sledges: I got it | 18:38 |
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| sandy_locke | sledges: right, that's what I'm thinking, too big is odd | 18:39 |
| sandy_locke | 35 is already pretty big for a statusbar | 18:39 |
| sandy_locke | but we have to agree on weither to have statusbar on main screen only or also within applications | 18:40 |
| sandy_locke | main screen only = bigger statusbar ; also within apps = smaller | 18:40 |
| sandy_locke | right now, my statusbar is 59px tall, because we have two levels of text for each icon | 18:42 |
| sandy_locke | but I think it is a bit too big for in app display | 18:42 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: check my last brief dialogue with Morpog_PC | 18:45 |
| sledges | i vote to keep homescreen clean | 18:45 |
| sledges | and since status bar is peekable (hidden most times) it doesnt hurt to have it bit bigger | 18:45 |
| sledges | also, you could swipe homescreen for status bar/notifications underneath, same like for apps | 18:46 |
| locusf | sledges: I'll wait for faenil / Sfiet_Konstantin | 18:46 |
| sandy_locke | sledges: ok, so not on homescreen neither in apps then ? | 18:47 |
| sandy_locke | don't you think we must keep one place where statusbar is always visible ? | 18:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: I'm here | 18:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah | 18:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have to read | 18:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | eh | 18:48 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | someone to do a summary ? O:) | 18:48 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: when tapping on Labels page indicator I just move to a black screen without toolbar or the elements to be displayed | 18:48 |
| locusf | everything else works ok though | 18:49 |
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| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: could you test my branch? | 18:49 |
| Morpog_PC | sandy_locke, sorry, mixed status bar with toolbar there | 18:50 |
| * sandy_locke is on phone, bbsoon | 18:50 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | locusf: faenil's duty I guess, I'm not familiar with page indicators yet | 18:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | even if I want to dig into it asap | 18:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (after exams :/) | 18:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (another approaching :/) | 18:51 |
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| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin: its his new label qml | 18:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: by locusf ? | 18:54 |
| locusf | Sfiet_Konstantin: yes | 18:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then I'm gonna try | 18:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sec | 18:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | one sec | 18:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sorry :$ | 18:54 |
| sledges | look up backlog | 18:54 |
| sledges | np | 18:54 |
| Morpog_PC | all these lazy backlog ignorers ;) | 18:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :P | 18:55 |
| Stskeeps | what do you guys call the nemo UX these days? | 18:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | anyone of you knows the behaviour of windows phone's contacts app | 18:56 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, Glacier UI | 18:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I want to reproduce one behaviour in QML but it is not easy | 18:56 |
| Morpog_PC | Stskeeps, but it's far from being implemented :) | 18:57 |
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| * Sfiet_Konstantin compiles | 18:59 | |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | food calling | 19:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bbl | 19:01 |
| locusf | ah I missed it from .qrt | 19:06 |
| locusf | *qrc | 19:06 |
| locusf | thats why it didn't work | 19:06 |
| locusf | yup that was it | 19:08 |
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| locusf | got it working, pushing and PR:ing | 19:17 |
| Morpog_PC | \o/ | 19:17 |
| locusf | https://github.com/nemomobile/qtquickcontrols-nemo/pull/13 | 19:21 |
| faenil | :) | 19:23 |
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| locusf | faenil: are you coming to Helsinki next week (Jolla reveal)? | 19:30 |
| faenil | indeed o/ | 19:31 |
| locusf | nice, we can meet up then :) | 19:31 |
| faenil | locusf, yeah o7 :D | 19:33 |
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| Morpog_PC | I really hope they offer air mail option :) | 19:34 |
| Morpog_PC | I envy you guys :D | 19:34 |
| locusf | Morpog_PC: I wouldn't if winter comes | 19:35 |
| locusf | lol | 19:35 |
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| faenil | :D | 19:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | QML gurus, I have a problem | 20:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | imagine the Sailfish homescreen: you have 3 + pages | 20:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 1 lockscreen + notif, 1 multitask, 1+ apps | 20:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | easy | 20:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you do this with a ListView, with one delegate per page | 20:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | now I want one of these page to have a flickable behaviour | 20:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | as if one of the page would be big, and that you will have to scroll to reach the end | 20:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you need this page to naturally stop at top and bottom | 20:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | how would you do that | 20:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ? | 20:04 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | (looks like WP contacts app, horizontally: you have this favourite contacts that can be scrolled as a flickable, even if it is kept inside a sort of listview | 20:05 |
| sandy_locke | sledges, Morpog_PC : we'll need to discuss further on this statusbar stuff! Don't have time now, but be sure to be there tomorrow ;) | 20:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 20:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | noone is interested by my problem :D | 20:13 |
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| qwazix | lots of backlog, let's start LIFO then | 20:16 |
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| qwazix | Sfiet_Konstantin, if things haven't improved in qq2 then what you are describing certainly requires a hack (unless I didn't read it correctly) | 20:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: :( | 20:17 |
| qwazix | even sideways flickables inside vertical ones were a PITA | 20:18 |
| qwazix | So I would say disable the big flickable when you get to your big page, and enable it when you reach the end of the nested flickable | 20:18 |
| qwazix | works, but it's not too robust (at least in QQ1) | 20:18 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, Morpog_PC: rogue idea, what if we don't have a status bar at all, and put all necessary info as a first row of icons? | 20:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: without uing flickables as deleates ? | 20:20 |
| qwazix | signal -> goes to networks, battery -> power settings, wifi -> obvious, time -> clock | 20:21 |
| qwazix | Sfiet_Konstantin, I don't think you can avoid that | 20:21 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, I will comment about dialogs in the PR | 20:22 |
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| Eztran | qwazix: Info as icons? This is partly why watching Nemo is so interesting, you guys consider all kinds of weird stuff :) | 20:27 |
| qwazix | Eztran, hehe | 20:27 |
| qwazix | think about it though, you already have calendar saying the date in homescreen on every OS, why not expand that idea? | 20:28 |
| Morpog_Mobile | Sounds good qwazix, across all homescreens? | 20:28 |
| qwazix | My initial thought was to be in the central one, but that can be discussed. | 20:28 |
| qwazix | It goes along with swipe behaviors | 20:29 |
| Eztran | This reminds me of that Grog post about removing the lockscreen-home-screen-app drawer redundancy, and it's a pretty good point here too. | 20:29 |
| qwazix | if swipe behavior is like harmattan we should put them everywhere, but if we always show one screen we can put them there | 20:29 |
| Morpog_Mobile | M0ckup looks like harmattan | 20:30 |
| qwazix | something similar: we can always show events while swiping away, where info can be something like the harmattan events screen header, latest apps launched can be events so that can be our "central hub" of sorts | 20:30 |
| Morpog_Mobile | They coupd stay at same place, onoy homescreens are m0ving | 20:30 |
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| Morpog_Mobile | Damn vkb | 20:31 |
| qwazix | lol | 20:31 |
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| qwazix | (btw if it's everywhere we might want to make them a bit smaller) | 20:32 |
| Morpog_Mobile | If its only on one screen it shouod be the onewhere you land after swiping an app away | 20:33 |
| qwazix | yep | 20:34 |
| qwazix | which is not-so-good when you want fast app switching | 20:34 |
| Morpog_PC | oh another idea, we could lock with swiping down on homescreen | 20:35 |
| qwazix | putting them on all screens, and on the bottom would be the most 'glanceable' place | 20:35 |
| Morpog_PC | edhe swiping down | 20:36 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC, I like that, I always hated that I had to use the button to do it on the N9 | 20:36 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah me too | 20:36 |
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| Eztran | I guess those 'lock button' apps wouldn't exist unless some people agree. | 20:39 |
| Morpog_PC | true | 20:41 |
| qwazix | yep and Sailfish has solved that nicely I believe | 20:43 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: "and put all necessary info as a first row of icons" > I need to see that to understand your thought correctly | 20:53 |
| sandy_locke | could you do a rapid mockup, even a quick draft ? | 20:54 |
| sandy_locke | (not necessarily tonight) | 20:54 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, it's too simple, just imagine your N9 app grid | 20:54 |
| sandy_locke | Morpog_PC, qwazix : +1 for swipe to lockscreen | 20:55 |
| qwazix | the first 4 icons could be live, like the calendar one | 20:55 |
| qwazix | one with battery status (there is even an app in the store for that) | 20:55 |
| sandy_locke | mmmh, but maybe *too* simple indeed | 20:55 |
| sandy_locke | we should propose something more "classy" don't you think ? | 20:55 |
| qwazix | it's just an idea, maybe we can build on that | 20:56 |
| sandy_locke | 'cause icons are for apps, and we're talking about service information, right ? | 20:56 |
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| qwazix | true, but most of those services have actions behind them anyway, so being icons is useful | 20:56 |
| sandy_locke | yes, but you"re right: we could get rid of the statusbar and put those info in the first row of the homescreen, but not necessarily as icons | 20:57 |
| qwazix | already Morpog said we should have them on all screens, so maybe making them smaller and, say 6 would be better | 20:57 |
| qwazix | (include bt, nfc, etc) | 20:57 |
| sandy_locke | we should think this through and thoroughly | 20:57 |
| qwazix | yep | 20:57 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix, what do you think if we have the first row as special icons, with different designs from the others, and swiping down on each icon slides it's information content (with limited height) ? | 20:59 |
| sandy_locke | or maybe it make things heavier where what we want is informations available at a glance :/ | 21:00 |
| qwazix | hmm, swiping down will interfere with scrolling maybe? | 21:00 |
| sandy_locke | no because it would be a swipe down *only* on each icon | 21:01 |
| sandy_locke | if you want to swipe, you swipe from below | 21:01 |
| qwazix | I know, but still, the user would have to be careful | 21:01 |
| qwazix | and it's not something you want on the homescreen. Why not reveal info upon click? | 21:01 |
| qwazix | and even an inline dialog with toggles and stuff | 21:02 |
| sandy_locke | the screen realestate is comfortable enough I think | 21:02 |
| sandy_locke | yes, but anyway my idea is not good | 21:02 |
| qwazix | imagine something like the folders on N9, with controls in them instead of more icons | 21:02 |
| sandy_locke | we should keep informations available at first glance, w/o interaction, no ? | 21:02 |
| qwazix | this way turning wifi off or changing network will be two taps away, and without entering a different app | 21:03 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, we will definitely need sth like that (n9 folders with toggles) | 21:03 |
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| qwazix | also consider placing the row on the bottom, it will be very easy to glance | 21:03 |
| qwazix | just swipe a bit, see the time, and go back to your app | 21:04 |
| sandy_locke | yup, like that | 21:05 |
| qwazix | we could also allow the app to sit there with both the app and status bar usable | 21:06 |
| sandy_locke | but I truely believe that we need to strongly set them apart from the homescreen icons, design wise | 21:06 |
| qwazix | we could, yeah | 21:07 |
| sandy_locke | yeah that last idea too | 21:07 |
| Eztran | I was just thinking 'if icons are circles, maybe these should be squares?'. And then I realised that's just WP. | 21:07 |
| sandy_locke | ^^ | 21:07 |
| qwazix | hehe, these can be borderless in fact | 21:08 |
| sandy_locke | no I was thinking of giving them their own space, with dimmed background and all, like a bigger status bar but different ^^ | 21:08 |
| sandy_locke | but qwazix , it's hard to design without taking too much screen | 21:10 |
| qwazix | | App | | 21:10 |
| qwazix | |__________________| | 21:10 |
| qwazix | | o o o o o o v| | 21:10 |
| sandy_locke | you still have to give some usefull infos at a glance, like network strength and al | 21:10 |
| qwazix | something like this, with "o"s being status icons and "v" will allow going fullscreen again | 21:10 |
| mikhas | mad design skills, qwazix ;-) | 21:11 |
| qwazix | lol | 21:11 |
| sandy_locke | ;) | 21:11 |
| Eztran | Maybe Nemo should be done in ASCII art only? | 21:11 |
| sandy_locke | ok qwazix , but if the row is full of icons, where do you put signal and wifi strength etc... ? | 21:12 |
| qwazix | Eztran, I had created a symbian theme once completely in ASCII art, I wonder if I still got the files... | 21:12 |
| sandy_locke | directly on the icons ? | 21:12 |
| qwazix | yep, icons should be live | 21:12 |
| sandy_locke | and tapping an icon do what ? | 21:13 |
| qwazix | just like any other status bar. Tapping on the icons would go to the corresponding settings page | 21:13 |
| qwazix | or open a drawer with quick controls, if it's not too much | 21:13 |
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| Morpog_PC | I can already imagine that I like it | 21:14 |
| sandy_locke | me too and I lean toward the drawer | 21:14 |
| Morpog_PC | btw, remember the small swipe up on n9 to that quick launch bar? | 21:14 |
| Morpog_PC | that locking would be great here too | 21:14 |
| sandy_locke | yup, something like that could be good, when inapp | 21:14 |
| qwazix | yep, but we intend to keep the app usable in that state | 21:14 |
| qwazix | (that's why the down arrow (v) to close the status bar) | 21:15 |
| sandy_locke | and what about a swipe from left to right to close the bar when in-app ? | 21:15 |
| sandy_locke | may be better than a dedicated button ? | 21:15 |
| Morpog_PC | not sure if thats necessary there qwazix, as you revealed it by purpose, so it naturally has all of your attention | 21:16 |
| qwazix | all this also works up top, with the added bonus that on home screen you can scroll the status bar away, but it's harder to glance because of finger-stretching | 21:16 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC, you might want to keep an eye on it for some reason | 21:16 |
| Morpog_PC | you still can, but you don't need to interact with it, or? | 21:16 |
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| qwazix | I mean, you might want to work on your app and still know the time or something | 21:17 |
| Morpog_PC | hmmmm | 21:17 |
| qwazix | you don't have to do the gesture all the time | 21:17 |
| qwazix | It's like modality everywhere else, you just don't gain anything by enforcing it | 21:18 |
| Morpog_PC | would only work with shrinking, not with hovering app | 21:18 |
| sandy_locke | so short swipe up gives the time bar (10px tall) and long swipe up gives time & icons ? | 21:18 |
| Morpog_PC | adds more complexity to app development | 21:18 |
| qwazix | yeah shrinking, but apps should already support shrinking due to vkb and headerDock | 21:18 |
| sandy_locke | sometimes you don't want time AND icons, just time | 21:19 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, the way I imagine it there is only one mode | 21:19 |
| Morpog_PC | sure qwazix but we already have headerdock which can shrink it alot + vkb + that = zero app space :D | 21:19 |
| Morpog_PC | votes also for one mode | 21:19 |
| Eztran | So you've kinda got that bar one end, opposed to headerDock the other? Only one open or the other closes, maybe? | 21:19 |
| qwazix | Eztran, exactly | 21:19 |
| sandy_locke | what would be the height of the bar then ? | 21:19 |
| qwazix | 50u I imagine | 21:20 |
| Morpog_PC | hmmm | 21:20 |
| Morpog_PC | 80u :D | 21:20 |
| qwazix | and the icons don't have to be square or circular so time can fit in nicely | 21:20 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC, note that we want to fit around 6-7 items horizontally | 21:21 |
| qwazix | so (80u+padding)*6 is too much | 21:21 |
| Morpog_PC | bar size not icon size, or? | 21:22 |
| qwazix | oops, sorry :P | 21:22 |
| qwazix | you're right | 21:22 |
| sandy_locke | something along this line, maybe w/o text ? https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pdfo30gr7jp9zg/statusbar.png | 21:23 |
| qwazix | I like :D :D | 21:24 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah looks good | 21:24 |
| Eztran | Actually, that wasn't how I was picturing it, and it looks better. | 21:24 |
| qwazix | text can be shown if it fits | 21:25 |
| sandy_locke | yup, those are Hurrian icons, and they are sleek for this kind of use | 21:25 |
| qwazix | (i.e. if not much info to show) | 21:25 |
| qwazix | bbl phone | 21:25 |
| sandy_locke | with time (and maybe date) there's not much space for text I assume | 21:26 |
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| qwazix | IMO date is not so important | 21:28 |
| qwazix | (can be a tap away) | 21:28 |
| Eztran | Mmm, date you need to look up, what, once or twice a day at most, really? | 21:28 |
| qwazix | i.e. in the time drawer | 21:29 |
| qwazix | Eztran, yep | 21:29 |
| qwazix | though on N9 it was ridiculously far away | 21:29 |
| sandy_locke | maybe you two, but me I sometimes need time always present ^^ | 21:29 |
| qwazix | we're talking about date | 21:30 |
| qwazix | time will be there | 21:30 |
| sandy_locke | mmh, sorry ^^ | 21:30 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, date is not so important | 21:30 |
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| sandy_locke | time could be like this https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pdfo30gr7jp9zg/statusbar.png | 21:32 |
| sandy_locke | unobstrusive and along the bar | 21:32 |
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| Morpog_PC | date can stay on lockscreen I guess | 21:32 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, worst comes worst you just lock the screen and go back to what you were doing | 21:33 |
| sandy_locke | and if lockscreen is one wipe away, the better | 21:33 |
| sandy_locke | *swipe ^^ | 21:34 |
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| Morpog_PC | I would remove wlan name and baseband there | 21:36 |
| Hurrian | o hai guise | 21:37 |
| Morpog_PC | hi hurrian | 21:37 |
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| Hurrian | how's it all coming along? :) | 21:38 |
| Morpog_PC | we're discussing homescreen and statusbar and lockscreen atm | 21:38 |
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| Morpog_PC | slowly :) | 21:38 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 21:38 |
| Morpog_PC | you can check now on merproject | 21:38 |
| Morpog_PC | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Glacier | 21:38 |
| Hurrian | mmm, is the status bar persistent or hidden, btw? | 21:39 |
| Morpog_PC | persistent on homescreen | 21:39 |
| Morpog_PC | hidden on apps, but you can peek on it like the quicklaunch bar on N9 | 21:39 |
| Hurrian | ah, nice | 21:39 |
| Hurrian | forgot that on the homescreen, there won't be anywhere to pull up :P | 21:40 |
| Morpog_PC | :) | 21:40 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, column time needs some getting used to, but it's interesting | 21:43 |
| qwazix | we can also try an analog clock like on the clock icon/hurrian's mockup | 21:44 |
| qwazix | hi Hurrian, what's up? | 21:44 |
| qwazix | Morpog_PC, off topic, but what IRC client do you use on android? YAAIC? | 21:45 |
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| Morpog_PC | Andchat | 21:46 |
| Hurrian | qwazix: analog clock's only for big controls, or the dynamic icon on the home screen | 21:48 |
| qwazix | yeah, but I'd like to see how it looks there if a high enough resolution screen is available | 21:48 |
| Hurrian | ah. | 21:50 |
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| Hurrian | from the pic above, I'd put "2013 December 24" beside battery, on top, and time below it. | 21:50 |
| Hurrian | (https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pdfo30gr7jp9zg/statusbar.png) | 21:51 |
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| qwazix | Morpog_PC, thanks, I'm using YAAIC on BB and I was wondering if you knew how to nick-complete that's why the question | 21:53 |
| Morpog_PC | ah ok | 21:53 |
| qwazix | (not sure if andchat is available on BB) | 21:53 |
| Morpog_PC | on andchat I use hackers keybord's tabulator key :D | 21:54 |
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| Morpog_PC | I just love that VKB for that | 21:54 |
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| sandy_locke | hi Hurrian | 21:56 |
| Hurrian | ohai sandy_locke | 21:56 |
| sandy_locke | Hurrian: we were thinking of getting rid of the date since we want more icons in this statusbar (we were saying sth along 6 icons) | 21:58 |
| Hurrian | more notifications, or system level icons? | 21:58 |
| Morpog_PC | both I guess, we just started brainstorming | 21:59 |
| Hurrian | as for notifications, imo you can leave the minified app icons on the bottom of the screen if they need attention, then you can pull up the status bar to see them | 22:01 |
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| sandy_locke | here is a mockup with wifi panel open https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pdfo30gr7jp9zg/statusbar.png | 22:07 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, you could be more generous with the panel size | 22:11 |
| Hurrian | sandy_locke: a bit too little space used - use the whole width for the wifi network list, just put the current network on top, and maybe put signal strength on the right | 22:12 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: but we will loose screen realestate :/ | 22:12 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, the panels should be modal anyway | 22:12 |
| qwazix | we're too deep now to expect anything else, except if we're talking about a tablet | 22:12 |
| sandy_locke | on phone, give me few minutes ^^ | 22:13 |
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| w00t | if anyone remembers the ML post about mascara, I've pushed an early hackotype up to https://github.com/nemomobile/mascara | 22:30 |
| sandy_locke | Hurrian, qwazix, Morpog_PC : https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pdfo30gr7jp9zg/statusbar.png | 22:31 |
| Hurrian | sandy_locke: nice, you could probably double the padding between entries and add a horizontal line between them, leaving space for AP info | 22:33 |
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| qwazix | Hurrian, sandy_locke, let's just use the ListView as specced | 22:33 |
| Hurrian | ah | 22:33 |
| qwazix | and add a signal strength to the right side | 22:34 |
| qwazix | otherwise, I'm fine with it | 22:34 |
| qwazix | also, in cases were even more advanced options exist a gear icon should be in a corner somewhere to take you to the settings app | 22:35 |
| qwazix | we need to reserve some space for it | 22:36 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: where you want the listview ? | 22:37 |
| qwazix | the list of networks, like you have them, we should just stick to the listview sizes and stuff | 22:37 |
| sandy_locke | ok, I'll spec the network list like a listview | 22:39 |
| qwazix | it'll more consistent, and easier to implement too | 22:39 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix: signal strength is already on the statusbar, no ? Or you want with numbers. | 22:42 |
| sandy_locke | ? | 22:42 |
| sandy_locke | gear icon could be left to the "wifi" title | 22:42 |
| qwazix | no, the signal strength of each network in the list | 22:42 |
| sandy_locke | ah sorry, ok | 22:42 |
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| qwazix | gear icon there might not invite the user to click, we need it to convey "click me for more" | 22:43 |
| qwazix | which would imply more like on the right, or bottom | 22:43 |
| sandy_locke | lower right corner then ? | 22:44 |
| qwazix | that's what I initially thought. We'll need to increase the height a bit though. | 22:44 |
| qwazix | your call, just play around with it keeping in mind that "click me for more" role and choose a nice place | 22:46 |
| sandy_locke | the height of the panel ? | 22:46 |
| sandy_locke | ok | 22:46 |
| qwazix | yeah, | 22:46 |
| sandy_locke | why would we need more height ? | 22:47 |
| qwazix | because the bottom right will be occupied by the signal strength of the last network | 22:48 |
| qwazix | hmm... | 22:48 |
| qwazix | or we can put the signal of the networks to the left of their names | 22:48 |
| qwazix | and put the gear at the bottom right | 22:48 |
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| bill_klpd | hey guys :D | 22:50 |
| qwazix | hey bill_klpd | 22:52 |
| qwazix | we're brainstorming about the status bar | 22:52 |
| bill_klpd | cool | 22:53 |
| qwazix | https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pdfo30gr7jp9zg/statusbar.png | 22:53 |
| bill_klpd | so the status bar will be on the bottom? | 22:53 |
| qwazix | probably | 22:53 |
| qwazix | easier to glance | 22:53 |
| qwazix | (won't be always there, just on the homescreen) | 22:54 |
| bill_klpd | aaa ok :P | 22:54 |
| qwazix | if you want to see the time you will swipe a bit to glance and then go back to your app | 22:54 |
| bill_klpd | something like the sailfish? | 22:54 |
| qwazix | something like that yeah, BB10 does this too | 22:55 |
| bill_klpd | it's a nice feature ;) | 22:55 |
| bill_klpd | can I ask you some things about the vm? | 22:55 |
| qwazix | we have an extra feature, that we'll allow the window to be locked at a position where the bar is visible (like the quick launch on the N9) | 22:55 |
| qwazix | go ahead | 22:55 |
| qwazix | (though I might not be the best person to ask) | 22:56 |
| bill_klpd | give me 5 minutes and I will be back :) | 22:56 |
| qwazix | ok | 22:56 |
| sandy_locke | o/ bill_klpd | 22:58 |
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| sandy_locke | qwazix: where can I find a gear icon that we can use ? | 22:59 |
| sandy_locke | do we have one ? | 22:59 |
| bill_klpd | hey sandy_locke :D | 23:00 |
| bill_klpd | I know that you have answered that before, but what should I do to make my vm up to date?(there was 2 commands but I don't remember them right now...)) | 23:02 |
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| sandy_locke | bill_klpd: zypper ref then zypper dup | 23:03 |
| bill_klpd | ok... I will try them and tell you ;) | 23:03 |
| sandy_locke | sure, do :- | 23:03 |
| sandy_locke | :) | 23:03 |
| qwazix | sandy_locke, we don't have non-app icons yet no | 23:04 |
| bill_klpd | I tried them yesterday, but I think that it stuck(maybe not) | 23:04 |
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| sandy_locke | ok, I'll take one from my library, but remember we need to change it ;) | 23:04 |
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| qwazix | we can use http://fontawesome.io/ for now till we get our own icons | 23:05 |
| qwazix | or even keep those, they look pretty good | 23:05 |
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| bill_klpd | will there be any issues about copyrights and stuff or not? | 23:06 |
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| qwazix | I was just reading the license page | 23:09 |
| qwazix | it's OFL so it should be okay, many OFL fonts bundled with debian and ubuntu so I suppose the same goes for us | 23:09 |
| bill_klpd | one more thing... all these images are photoshoped/edited, or they are actual images from "tests"/mods on the ui? | 23:10 |
| qwazix | most of them are just mockups | 23:10 |
| qwazix | (if not all) | 23:10 |
| bill_klpd | ok | 23:10 |
| qwazix | there is the implementation of the button right now in software, the textField and some others in non-completed state | 23:11 |
| qwazix | still, you can only see them in a demo app (qtquickcontrolsgallery or something). All other apps still use the old components from harmattan | 23:11 |
| qwazix | once we are done creating glacier components we'll port the apps | 23:12 |
| qwazix | (we first have to mock them up first though) | 23:12 |
| * sledges back before bedo | 23:13 | |
| sledges | bed | 23:13 |
| sledges | sandy_locke: gear icon should be in Hurrian's .psd file | 23:14 |
| sandy_locke | ok, thx sledges | 23:14 |
| sandy_locke | fontawesome won't work with sketch :/ | 23:14 |
| sledges | as Morpog took it for his browser mockup | 23:14 |
| sledges | wow first time i see Morpog* -less channel :D | 23:15 |
| qwazix | It's just a font, why wouldn't it work? | 23:16 |
| sandy_locke | because it keeps going back to lucida ^^ | 23:16 |
| sandy_locke | it won't display the icons | 23:17 |
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| qwazix | weird... | 23:20 |
| sandy_locke | yeah, I think so too | 23:20 |
| sandy_locke | qwazix: and what about something like that : https://www.dropbox.com/s/0pdfo30gr7jp9zg/statusbar.png ? | 23:20 |
| qwazix | yep, that icon looks a bit too big compared to everything else but yeah, conveys the message | 23:21 |
| qwazix | anyway, time for me to go to bed. See you all tomorrow. Nice brainstorming session today. | 23:21 |
| sandy_locke | yup, good night then | 23:22 |
| bill_klpd | good night ;) | 23:22 |
| qwazix | o/ | 23:22 |
| sandy_locke | I think I'll go read a bit | 23:22 |
| sledges | nites | 23:22 |
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| sledges | bill_klpd: if your cmvm freezes, use HostKey+H to unlock | 23:23 |
| sledges | *vm | 23:23 |
| sandy_locke | bill_klpd: sledges : or you type "mcetool -Don" in fingerterm and voilà, no more freezes :D | 23:25 |
| bill_klpd | after the zypper ref and zypper dup | 23:25 |
| bill_klpd | will there be | 23:25 |
| bill_klpd | any difference? | 23:25 |
| bill_klpd | I mean how can I understand if it is done? | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | bill_klpd: sometimes you don't ;) | 23:26 |
| sandy_locke | but when you zypper dup, it's because someone updated something, so just check *those* things that have been updated | 23:28 |
| sledges | its done if next time you run it it says "Nothing to do" ;) | 23:28 |
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| sandy_locke | right now I think that when you invoke the keyboard, it's glacier maliit | 23:28 |
| bill_klpd | I think that it needs to be done again... | 23:29 |
| bill_klpd | :/ | 23:29 |
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| bill_klpd | i did the "mcetool -Don" in fingerterm now | 23:29 |
| sandy_locke | cool, no you don't risk screen freeze :D | 23:30 |
| bill_klpd | let's hope that it will not freeze :P | 23:30 |
| sandy_locke | since it's a VM, you don't mind not having screen going to sleep | 23:30 |
| sandy_locke | that's what this command does | 23:30 |
| sandy_locke | the VM build freezes when going to sleep | 23:30 |
| bill_klpd | this must be the issue then ;) | 23:32 |
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| sandy_locke | ok nite peops, going to read a bit and sleep :) | 23:36 |
| sandy_locke | see ya | 23:36 |
| bill_klpd | bye | 23:36 |
| sledges | nite | 23:36 |
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| sledges | im off too, have fun who isn't :) | 23:38 |
| bill_klpd | i will go too after the vm is finished | 23:38 |
| bill_klpd | see ya | 23:38 |
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