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| thomas_sch | time to go to bed :) thx and good night faenil | 00:11 |
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| sledges | thomas_sch: what did you run ics on? | 00:19 |
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| sledges | c00l :) welcome to nemo, speak to you later :) | 00:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | <faenil> we have to write UI components (started already). then rewrite all core apps with those components | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh yeah, been there, seen that getting done. 5 times already | 04:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | completed/finalized: ZILCH | 04:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not to start talking about _the_ _apps_ | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | commonly attributed as "the ecosystem" | 04:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as long as you can reuse normal X11 apps and only slightly adapt them to a different set of "decoration", you can get quite a number of apps almost for free | 04:37 |
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| faenil | DocScrutinizer05, yes, it doesn't take long, it only takes a few people actively working on it ;) | 09:00 |
| faenil | btw, morning people o/ | 09:00 |
| dm8tbr | good moaning | 09:04 |
| dm8tbr | any plans for the weekend? | 09:04 |
| dm8tbr | coming to visit us in herwood for lunch or dinner? | 09:05 |
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| faenil | dm8tbr, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7HahVwYpwo | 09:12 |
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| locusf | morning | 09:21 |
| dm8tbr | moaning | 09:23 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: sure, can also meet downtown | 09:23 |
| faenil | 2h just to be there and back is a bit long time :D | 09:23 |
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| faenil | unless you know of a shorter way ofc | 09:23 |
| dm8tbr | don't have a car | 09:24 |
| dm8tbr | so you are not willing to take that upon you for free lunch/dinner and whisky? tsssssk... | 09:25 |
| faenil | I meant, maybe some alternative bus, don't know | 09:25 |
| dm8tbr | so where are you? | 09:25 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, ahaha well it's tempting, it's just that I hate public transport :D and if I come there it means I have to be back at like 22:30 | 09:25 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, harmala | 09:25 |
| dm8tbr | hmm, that's not far from the bus line 6 | 09:26 |
| dm8tbr | reittiopas says 38min for a combination of 1/30 | 09:28 |
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| faenil | dm8tbr, yes, on one way | 09:29 |
| faenil | the way back should be 50mins | 09:29 |
| dm8tbr | http://aikataulut.tampere.fi/map/?stops=2528&x=3327810&y=6823037&zoom=4&season=20130812&width=650&height=450 | 09:29 |
| dm8tbr | would be the closest bus stop for line 6, but I don't think it operates on weekends | 09:29 |
| faenil | 2521 is where I live | 09:30 |
| faenil | no 6 on weekends it seems | 09:31 |
| dm8tbr | yeah | 09:31 |
| aard_ | faenil: you don't have a bike? :p | 09:32 |
| dm8tbr | we can also meet for a nice refreshing walk in arboretum | 09:32 |
| faenil | aard_, nu :( | 09:32 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, nah I have to come there sooner or later :D | 09:32 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: want to borrow one, I just bought riussi's bike | 09:32 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, as we're going towards the winter I'm not sure I'd use it :D but thanks :) | 09:33 |
| faenil | I'd use to come there today :D | 09:33 |
| dm8tbr | also you have the Jolla to play with during the bus rides I don't see the problem ;) | 09:33 |
| faenil | but I have to come there to get it first, so D: | 09:33 |
| dm8tbr | bike is at HVT30 | 09:34 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, nice point | 09:34 |
| dm8tbr | btw: picked up a microsim replacement at Sonera store yesterday. The guys jaw dropped once he saw where I was inserting it... | 09:36 |
| dm8tbr | missed my bus because he wanted to have it demoed | 09:36 |
| faenil | ahaha :D | 09:37 |
| dm8tbr | he also seemed quite interested in the fact if it will be locked to the DNA network and why sonera isn't going to sell it ;) | 09:39 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, so, what time can I come? I'm bored here so anytime is okay :D | 09:39 |
| faenil | ahah lol | 09:39 |
| dm8tbr | if you want to help cooking you can come over right now | 09:40 |
| dm8tbr | I haven't made any lunch plans yet, but I'm starting to get hungry | 09:40 |
| faenil | mm not sure I can meet your expectations :D showe + bus, it would take at least 13 | 09:41 |
| dm8tbr | well you can also just make it for lunch :) | 09:42 |
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| * dm8tbr goes to check on the fridge what it's going to be | 09:48 | |
| dm8tbr | I can defrost some steaks, or chili stew (mild or nuclear), I could also prep some wok or other food with chicken. | 09:50 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: what are your preferences? | 09:50 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, I hate onion :D apart from that, I can swallow the rest :D | 09:51 |
| dm8tbr | I love onion but it gives me digestive problems. So that's compatible. | 09:51 |
| faenil | ehehe | 09:51 |
| dm8tbr | I'll consult with maria and start cooking. | 09:52 |
| dm8tbr | Drop off at the stop "Ahvenisjärvi" (one after Duo shopping centre) | 09:52 |
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| faenil | o/ evening | 16:54 |
| artemma | anybody with a real Jolla device here? | 16:57 |
| artemma | I've got an RPM with a flash testing app to try | 16:57 |
| faenil | artemma, me, but I cannot test software sorry | 17:01 |
| artemma | faenil: I just got test results on mailing list | 17:02 |
| artemma | and they are just as I hoped! :) | 17:02 |
| faenil | okay,good ;) | 17:02 |
| artemma | thanks for caring to answer anywway | 17:02 |
| faenil | yeah I read the thread | 17:02 |
| artemma | I still need more clarification though | 17:02 |
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| locusf | artemma: I could test but only on my N9 | 17:31 |
| locusf | no real device here yet :) | 17:31 |
| artemma | it's a pity | 17:31 |
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| artemma | I have just got a confirmation on a mailing list that my approach for flash control works! | 17:32 |
| artemma | need more details for choosing the best parameters though | 17:32 |
| artemma | locusf: I thought u were part of jolla | 17:32 |
| locusf | artemma: lol, just part of the community :) | 17:33 |
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| MSameer | artemma: just ping me if you need more testing ;) | 18:25 |
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| artemma | MSameer: here's RPM - http://bit.ly/videofla109 | 18:27 |
| artemma | and here are questions - https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001247.html | 18:28 |
| MSameer | a new one? | 18:28 |
| artemma | well, latest. version as of few hours ago | 18:28 |
| MSameer | artemma: I am the same guy who have just answered your questions :-) | 18:28 |
| artemma | ah, cool! :) | 18:28 |
| MSameer | just if you need farther testing or if you have farther questions | 18:29 |
| artemma | well, basically I just want people to play with the controls n a darkish environment and tell which combination of timings works best | 18:29 |
| artemma | in* a darkish environment | 18:29 |
| artemma | and also whether there is some clear (or clearish) dependency between timings and result | 18:30 |
| artemma | e.g. the less interval, the more light maybe. Or the earlier unlock() the more light | 18:30 |
| artemma | I would use it to build the meaningful power slider | 18:30 |
| MSameer | artemma: i pushed the last slider to the max (500) | 18:32 |
| MSameer | artemma: and the other slider to 4 (could not get 1) | 18:32 |
| MSameer | artemma: and that seems to give the best results | 18:32 |
| MSameer | artemma: and please please unlock always | 18:32 |
| artemma | really… hmm. That's unlocking timer | 18:32 |
| artemma | lemme adjust the build so that you could set for even longer | 18:33 |
| MSameer | ok :) | 18:33 |
| artemma | and the locking timer interval? No noticeable effect at all? | 18:33 |
| artemma | I mean searching interval | 18:33 |
| MSameer | is that the 2nd slider or last? | 18:33 |
| artemma | uhm.. I need to adjust code that next search happens after unlock then.. | 18:34 |
| MSameer | yes try that too | 18:34 |
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| artemma | 2nd slider tells how soon after search() start we unlock | 18:34 |
| MSameer | lock, get signal, unlock and lock again ... | 18:34 |
| artemma | ah indeed, I can unlock after camera went into search mode. Currently I start unlock timer right after command to search | 18:34 |
| MSameer | artemma: there is a problem if you don't unlock and the user closes the app -> led will stay on | 18:35 |
| artemma | app can get an app closing signal | 18:36 |
| MSameer | artemma: that's why unlock is needed. I filed an internal bug for myself to fix that :p | 18:36 |
| MSameer | artemma: but if you crash, get killed, minimized, ... then it'd be an issue | 18:36 |
| artemma | MSameer: I totally don't mind unlocking, looks like a proper practice. But if violating it will make LED show light all the time.. | 18:36 |
| MSameer | artemma: let me try again | 18:36 |
| * artemma is looking for a signal/property to tell that search has been started | 18:37 | |
| artemma | aha! lockStatus: Searching | 18:38 |
| MSameer | artemma: if I disable unlocking and drag the slider as low as possible then it's the best result | 18:38 |
| MSameer | artemma: but led will stay on after i close the app | 18:38 |
| artemma | hmm.. that means restarting searchandlock as quickly as possible and never unlocking it.. | 18:38 |
| MSameer | so i cannot blame you but it's a misuse of the api which exposed a bug so i don't know what to do now :/ | 18:39 |
| artemma | do u think that unlocking once per 20 searchAndLocks should be ok API wise? | 18:39 |
| MSameer | artemma: exactly. you start it all the time but camera will ignore your attempts as long as it's trying to acquire focus already | 18:39 |
| artemma | or should there be precisely one unlock per one search? | 18:40 |
| artemma | If unlocking once is enough, I can make sure app calls it on exit | 18:40 |
| MSameer | do you want the correct approach or the one which will work now and break later ? ;) | 18:40 |
| artemma | I totally want a future proof one that will work now too :) | 18:40 |
| MSameer | then one unlock per lock | 18:41 |
| artemma | that's exactly why I am asking: trying to predict future api ecolution | 18:41 |
| MSameer | that's the correct way | 18:41 |
| artemma | evolution* | 18:41 |
| artemma | it it | 18:41 |
| artemma | 's the correct way, so be it | 18:41 |
| MSameer | artemma: to be honest flashlight will be fixed when the torch api works anyway | 18:41 |
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| MSameer | i just can't provide info on when it will be available | 18:41 |
| artemma | I just wonder logically what's bad if camera wants to restart searchAndLock. Like if user's not happy with the first trial | 18:42 |
| artemma | MSameer: I will just to Torch API on the same day | 18:42 |
| MSameer | artemma: it's a limitation of hal | 18:42 |
| artemma | in fact I already have a Torch API based app ready. rejected in harbor of course :) | 18:42 |
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| MSameer | artemma: sorry for that | 18:42 |
| artemma | well, I do hope you guys reject not working apps, so it's sorta good :) | 18:43 |
| MSameer | let's see how many of my apps will make it :D | 18:43 |
| artemma | okay, now I'll redo app to make sure one unlock happens exactly after one search and then we play with timers again | 18:43 |
| MSameer | yup | 18:43 |
| artemma | to be honest I am surprised to see that with so small number of apps it takes 4 days to get through the QA queue | 18:44 |
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| artemma | if dashboard tells real numbers of submitted apps, I'd expect 1-2 full time QA persons to make a review in one day | 18:44 |
| MSameer | i am really on the sw/hw side and try to run away from these things. i cannot tell :/ | 18:45 |
| artemma | MSameer: BTW, did flash mode change have any effect? That's top slider. 0 is manual | 19:03 |
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| artemma | Haha, interestingly emulator camera is able to lock and unlock just fine :) | 19:05 |
| artemma | so I can debug tester on emulator (to check if all timers, locks and unlocks are executed when expected) | 19:05 |
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| MSameer | artemma: i remember it stopped when i switched it but i really left it as it is | 19:11 |
| MSameer | (focus slider) | 19:12 |
| artemma | I was interesed in checking FocusContinuous, but I just figured out it's 16 :/ | 19:12 |
| artemma | so simp slider won't work. Will do a clever one with proper values now | 19:12 |
| artemma | actually default value 0 means.. not Manual.. Manual is 1 :/ | 19:13 |
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| MSameer | what's 0 then? :) | 19:16 |
| artemma | no idea | 19:16 |
| artemma | maybe treated as unknown and falls back to manual | 19:16 |
| MSameer | i can check | 19:16 |
| artemma | you know the code :) | 19:16 |
| MSameer | auto | 19:17 |
| MSameer | artemma: qt code is open | 19:17 |
| artemma | yes, but you know it, I don't :) | 19:17 |
| artemma | hmm, then maybe Manual improves everything automagically! | 19:18 |
| MSameer | i am only the gstreamer and below guy | 19:18 |
| * artemma needs 5 min more to finish code | 19:18 | |
| artemma | oh.. me remembers his streamer times. Was doing a SW side of a Skype based video call solution. Was tough | 19:18 |
| MSameer | artemma: auto is fine too | 19:19 |
| artemma | I am not sure as Auto can stop searching when it's focused. While manual might search forever | 19:20 |
| artemma | well, that was your idea if i remember correctly :) | 19:20 |
| MSameer | auto focus mode is not continuous auto focus mode | 19:21 |
| MSameer | they are different ;) | 19:21 |
| MSameer | QCameraFocus::AutoFocus0x8One-shot auto focus mode. | 19:22 |
| MSameer | QCameraFocus::ContinuousFocus0x10Continuous auto focus mode. | 19:22 |
| artemma | ah, focus modes are bit based | 19:22 |
| artemma | just discovered it myself.. so you can.. combine them | 19:23 |
| MSameer | to be honest i have no idea what 0 is. I need to dig through the camera backend but i cannot do that now | 19:23 |
| MSameer | but I see that the focus being set is auto | 19:23 |
| artemma | hmm.. I wonder if some combination of flags could work better then | 19:23 |
| artemma | like continuous manual maybe | 19:24 |
| MSameer | i don't think so :) | 19:24 |
| artemma | anyway, I completed next iteration | 19:24 |
| artemma | would you be willing to try? | 19:24 |
| artemma | now it unlocks properly. After given number of ms after Locked or after Searching | 19:25 |
| MSameer | sure | 19:25 |
| artemma | building arm version.. | 19:25 |
| MSameer | if the code is public then i can clone it and rebuild too if needed | 19:25 |
| MSameer | if it makes your life easier | 19:26 |
| artemma | oh, it is public | 19:27 |
| artemma | I am generating short links to make it easier if you are on IRC from the phone :) | 19:27 |
| artemma | or if you type URL to phone | 19:27 |
| MSameer | i am at home so no worries | 19:27 |
| MSameer | can't use irc much from phone (tiny screen no matter how large it is) | 19:27 |
| artemma | MSameer: https://github.com/amarchen/video-flash-trial/raw/master/ready-arm-build/video-flash-trial-0.1-11.armv7hl.rpm | 19:30 |
| MSameer | roger! | 19:30 |
| * artemma remembers time when he was using IRC from pocketpc to chat with his ex-wife. Romantic times these were | 19:30 | |
| artemma | fingers crossed | 19:31 |
| artemma | there might be some magic combination of lock-unlocks | 19:31 |
| artemma | e.g. maybe we wait for Locked mode and then unlock and search ASAP | 19:31 |
| artemma | in a manual mode | 19:31 |
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| MSameer | should I check "unlock after locking" ? | 19:32 |
| artemma | try both | 19:32 |
| MSameer | yup | 19:32 |
| artemma | slider description should change accordingly | 19:32 |
| artemma | that's the point from which unlocking timer starts. Either from Searching or only after camera is fully Locked | 19:32 |
| MSameer | i hate to disappoint you but the previous one was better | 19:34 |
| MSameer | now i am unable to find anything reasonable wrt led | 19:34 |
| MSameer | i get small pulses of led | 19:34 |
| MSameer | cannot yet figure out how to make them longer | 19:35 |
| artemma | Hmm, the the previous one was doing unlocks too actually | 19:35 |
| artemma | as long as unlock timer was smaller then search timer | 19:35 |
| artemma | hmm.. | 19:35 |
| artemma | hmm.. | 19:35 |
| MSameer | ok | 19:36 |
| MSameer | flash on checked | 19:36 |
| MSameer | unlock checked | 19:36 |
| artemma | actually the current version should be identical to the pref one if FocusMode is auto and "Unlock after Locked (not just searching)" is false | 19:36 |
| MSameer | focus manual | 19:36 |
| MSameer | first slider 43 ms | 19:37 |
| MSameer | 2nd slider 7 ms | 19:37 |
| MSameer | or 0 | 19:37 |
| MSameer | now there is a difference between dark and light | 19:38 |
| MSameer | dark room -> fast pulses | 19:38 |
| MSameer | normal light -> longer pulses | 19:38 |
| artemma | "Unlock after Locked (not just searching)"? | 19:38 |
| artemma | do they look like fast enough to find keys or a keyhole? I mean would you for example you such a flashlight? | 19:39 |
| artemma | I guess it's mode important how long is delay between pulses | 19:39 |
| MSameer | the previous version produced better results in dark areas | 19:39 |
| artemma | more* important | 19:39 |
| artemma | funny. the current version should be identical to the previous one if FocusMode is auto and "Unlock after Locked (not just searching)" is false | 19:39 |
| MSameer | let me try | 19:40 |
| artemma | or nearly identical | 19:40 |
| * artemma assumes camera enters Searching mode instantly | 19:40 | |
| MSameer | pulses are fast | 19:41 |
| MSameer | they are not as long as the previous one | 19:41 |
| artemma | and well, if pref version was better (for whichever reason, then it was better). Can you tell the best values for it? | 19:42 |
| artemma | Here's the link for that previous version (build 09) - https://github.com/amarchen/video-flash-trial/raw/master/ready-arm-build/video-flash-trial-0.1-9.armv7hl.rpm | 19:42 |
| artemma | you can also play with focus mode slider. As we now know 0 is Auto, 1 is manual | 19:43 |
| artemma | I am sorry for asking for so many trials. If I had a device at hand, I would just spend an hour or two trying all possible combinations of everything | 19:44 |
| MSameer | i think we need someone else's opinion here | 19:44 |
| artemma | You sound like there's no clear dependency from the slider values (meaning that meaningful "Power" slider is impossible) | 19:45 |
| MSameer | the issue is if we invoke a timer fast then it affects the smoothness of the ui too and might be affecting something else deep below | 19:45 |
| artemma | Well, for right now I'll be fine with any OKish combination of values. Something good enough for you to find a keyhole. If there's any sort of Power-like dependency - that's bonus. Final values I'll adjust when I get device - just want to get something OKish by the launch moment | 19:46 |
| artemma | MSameer: I don't think timers would affect UI smoothness | 19:46 |
| artemma | JS timers anyway have something like 16ms granularity | 19:47 |
| artemma | ..in web browsers at least | 19:47 |
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| artemma | camera lock I hope is happening in another thread. Calling camera once in 16ms is nothing for CPU | 19:47 |
| MSameer | artemma: back to 11 release, i can get long pulses in a dark room | 19:49 |
| artemma | interesting | 19:49 |
| MSameer | artemma: but i cannot get them fast enough (period of darkness is large) | 19:49 |
| * artemma is all ears | 19:49 | |
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| artemma | even if "Unlock after Locked (not just searching)" is off and 2nd time is small? | 19:50 |
| artemma | and 2nd slider* is small? | 19:50 |
| MSameer | artemma: manual focus, unlocked after lock _not checked_ | 19:50 |
| artemma | hmm, it seems to indicate that unlock is to happen even before camera is Searching.. | 19:51 |
| MSameer | and both sliders around 1500ms | 19:51 |
| artemma | or maybe camera never enters Searching | 19:51 |
| artemma | move 1st slider to zero | 19:52 |
| artemma | in your current values app waits for 1.5 sec before starting to search() again | 19:52 |
| artemma | in your current values app waits for 1.5 sec after Unlocked before starting to search() again | 19:52 |
| MSameer | artemma: that seems to work fine in a dark room | 19:53 |
| MSameer | second slider ~1500, first 0 | 19:53 |
| artemma | (!) | 19:53 |
| artemma | thumbup! | 19:53 |
| MSameer | there are moments of no led but they vary | 19:53 |
| MSameer | but i got led stuck wfter closing the app | 19:53 |
| MSameer | so there is an unlock missing apparently | 19:54 |
| artemma | MSameer: led stuck I'll fix, current code just doesn't track it very well | 19:54 |
| MSameer | aha | 19:54 |
| artemma | actually currently it doesn't monitor app exit at all | 19:54 |
| MSameer | artemma: but also note that the pulses will vary depending on the light but i tested in a dark room | 19:54 |
| artemma | the rest of situations are probably fine, but I didn't verify 100%. I optimize for availability of kind ppl in this chat room :) | 19:54 |
| MSameer | which is the main use case I assume ;) | 19:55 |
| artemma | okay, just to verify the final good settings: | 19:55 |
| MSameer | feel free to ping me for testing. I cannot promise I will always do but I will do my best | 19:55 |
| artemma | Focus Manual, first slider 0, 2nd slider 1500, unlocked after lock _not checked_ - correct? | 19:55 |
| MSameer | let me go to the dark room to double checlk | 19:56 |
| artemma | it would also be great if you could tell whether any slider movement behaves power slider-like | 19:56 |
| artemma | or more/less strobe like | 19:56 |
| * artemma wants to add one slider to the button in the flashlight app | 19:57 | |
| MSameer | artemma: that seems fine | 19:57 |
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| MSameer | artemma: increasing the value of the last slider beyone a limit (i don't know the limit yet) will give strobes | 19:57 |
| MSameer | but i really think we should not do it now. will not be easy to test and adjust properly | 19:58 |
| artemma | and observed behavior with these best values is like "about 1.5sec of light that short break (abt 100ms?) that 1.5s light again"? | 19:58 |
| artemma | okay. If there is no clear power-like behavior, then we shouldn't do it. I just hoped one of the sliders will behave like a strobe control | 19:59 |
| artemma | and observed behavior with these best values is like "about 1.5sec of light that short break (abt 100ms?) than* 1.5s light again"? | 19:59 |
| MSameer | it will behave like a strobe control indeed but it will be a "random" control ;) | 19:59 |
| artemma | hmm, randomize me slider! :) | 19:59 |
| artemma | We'll call it "Funk level" :) | 20:00 |
| MSameer | :) | 20:00 |
| * artemma recalls some funk animated video clip with Putin doing it all at funk level 11 while all the robots break earlier | 20:00 | |
| artemma | this one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wga5A6R9BJg | 20:01 |
| artemma | sorry to annoy again, but just ant to understand | 20:03 |
| artemma | is observed behavior with these best values is like "about 1.5sec of light that short break (abt 100ms?), then 1.5s light again"? | 20:03 |
| MSameer | not sure about 1.5 | 20:04 |
| MSameer | maybe yes but i am not sure | 20:04 |
| artemma | tell what it feels like to you | 20:04 |
| MSameer | i can time it for you :) | 20:04 |
| artemma | sure exact numbers are not important | 20:04 |
| artemma | so long(ish) 1-3 sec period of light, then short (100-300) ms dark, then light again? | 20:05 |
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| MSameer | artemma: yes around 1.5 | 20:06 |
| MSameer | artemma: darkness period varies, can be 200ms maybe or 50 | 20:06 |
| MSameer | artemma: sorry for that | 20:06 |
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| artemma | MSameer: thanks a lot again! Now I know the flashlight is possible for lunch, know what to do and even have an option for the funkiness slider! | 20:09 |
| MSameer | artemma: glad to have helped you Artem :) | 20:10 |
| MSameer | keep up the good work! | 20:11 |
| artemma | for launch* | 20:23 |
| artemma | I'll try, thanks :) | 20:23 |
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