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Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#417 waiting for review at https://build.merproject.org//request/show/417 | 01:46 |
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Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#418 Rejected promotion request | 03:00 |
Merbot | phaeron lbt sage SR#419 Rejected promotion request | 03:01 |
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qole | o help | 04:56 |
Stskeeps | o no qole | 04:56 |
qole | ha | 04:57 |
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qole | faenil promised n950 keyboard if I came here | 04:57 |
Stskeeps | he went to sleep 6 hours ago at least | 04:58 |
qole | also can I haz WiFi? | 04:58 |
Stskeeps | (i don't know, haven't touched nemo for n950/n0 in ages..) | 04:59 |
Stskeeps | n9 | 04:59 |
qole | heh sucks to be GMT -8 | 04:59 |
qole | It is my Hack Time | 04:59 |
Stskeeps | yeah.. i'm getting weird hack times these days after my son was born | 04:59 |
qole | I'm IRCing from my WebOS touchpad | 05:00 |
qole | via web client, hah | 05:00 |
Stskeeps | i really need to put nemo on there at some point | 05:01 |
Stskeeps | :P | 05:01 |
Stskeeps | it's after all where i started wayland-libhybris | 05:01 |
qole | I can't seem to do much at all on the Nemo wayland image, can't even get the keyboard working :'( | 05:01 |
special | I was discussing the keyboard with faenil. It should be possible to get working soon. | 05:02 |
qole | and I can't download anything without internet... | 05:02 |
qole | siiiigh | 05:02 |
qole | settings won't even open from the icon | 05:03 |
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special | sounds like it's living up to the "alpha" | 05:04 |
qole | heh I like the lock screen with a date of 1/1/1970 | 05:05 |
special | get USB and start debugging? :p | 05:06 |
qole | I'll come back another night. I want to do it all from my couch | 05:06 |
qole | bye guys | 05:06 |
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Morpog_N9 | morning | 05:11 |
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gry | fae ... s/he is not here | 07:33 |
fk_lx | faenil is he ;-) | 07:34 |
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gry | hmm, I'm looking for a config to change what usb does (mass storage, nothing, development mode, etc) -- I suspect that after setting that to mass storage and rebooting, phone boots into black screen, and I would like to change that setting and retry | 07:42 |
gry | ah, I see, thanks | 07:44 |
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gry | (etc/usb-moded/usb-moded.ini has usbmode 'mode=mass_storage', I've changed that to 'mode=', still doesn't boot; will flash now, I think) | 07:50 |
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faenil | o/ | 08:59 |
special | I should sleep more often.. | 09:02 |
Stskeeps | sleep is overrated | 09:02 |
faenil | a friend of mine used to sleep 2h a day in 4 naps of 30mins | 09:04 |
faenil | well, 40y old friend | 09:04 |
faenil | he did that for 2 years | 09:04 |
faenil | so, it's possible o/ | 09:05 |
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special | I think I'm just trying to live in too many timezones at once | 09:05 |
faenil | ehhe | 09:06 |
faenil | special, anyway qole meant the physical keyboard, not virtual one :D | 09:07 |
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special | ah, n900? | 09:11 |
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faenil | special, n950 | 09:12 |
special | oh right, those have a keyboard :p | 09:13 |
faenil | eheh | 09:13 |
faenil | strange that N950 physical keyboard works on Nemo and not on Sailfish (tested by Aard) | 09:13 |
gry | faenil: pong :) | 09:17 |
faenil | gry, hey :) are you the kernel scientist? :) | 09:17 |
gry | oh, oops. barely so, I don't think I'm any good at it | 09:18 |
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faenil | gry, I wanted to have some updates re that :) | 09:32 |
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gry | what contains the drivers of nemo for the devices it supports? | 13:03 |
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sledges | hardware adaptation layers (per device) | 13:05 |
sledges | layers = repos (on OBS) | 13:05 |
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gry | ok, ta | 13:19 |
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topro | hi, is nemo (for n9) still actively beeing worked on or has focus shifted to i.e. sailfish comletely? | 14:50 |
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Stskeeps | people are working on it actively | 14:52 |
topro | I was wondering as repos seem to have not changed for about two months now | 14:53 |
Stskeeps | n9 repos are fairly stable but wayland got ported | 14:53 |
topro | ok, i see. anyone into n9 gps issue? | 14:54 |
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faenil | evening | 17:52 |
Stskeeps | evening | 17:53 |
faenil | Stskeeps, I'll be at SDC :) | 17:55 |
faenil | I thought I could talk to Tizen guys there | 17:55 |
faenil | qt tizer | 17:56 |
Stskeeps | cool | 17:56 |
Stskeeps | i think i probably owe you a cold bee | 17:56 |
Stskeeps | r | 17:56 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:56 |
faenil | oh cool :D | 17:56 |
faenil | I don't drink beer, but I'll make an exception :D | 17:56 |
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faenil | Stskeeps, I found a hostel in Krakow, 6€, breakfast included! and tea and coffee 24h! | 17:59 |
faenil | I mean, how is that even possible xD | 17:59 |
Stskeeps | are you sure you didn't find a bordello by accident? | 17:59 |
Stskeeps | :P | 17:59 |
faenil | :D | 17:59 |
faenil | it's also got 93% rate by reviews | 18:00 |
Stskeeps | that doesn't help your case | 18:00 |
faenil | not at all | 18:01 |
* faenil goes to check | 18:01 | |
Morpog_PC | well, maybe that bordello offers awesome service? :D | 18:01 |
faenil | lol | 18:02 |
faenil | omg, 4,67€ in this other hostel :O | 18:02 |
fk_lx | :-P | 18:02 |
fk_lx | hehe | 18:02 |
faenil | wtf? XD | 18:02 |
fk_lx | well maybe there is cold water under the shower | 18:03 |
faenil | may be... | 18:03 |
faenil | but it's 4....4€ :O | 18:04 |
faenil | maybe I should move to Poland | 18:04 |
Morpog_PC | well, you would earn less money there :) | 18:05 |
fk_lx | faenil: get a Polish wife, like Stskeeps :-D | 18:05 |
Morpog_PC | erm wait, perfect for a student :D | 18:05 |
faenil | fk_lx, eh, Stskeeps ... cunning guy | 18:06 |
fk_lx | faenil: btw. I forgot you have girlfriend, so suggestion getting a Polish wife wasn't appropriate | 18:06 |
fk_lx | :-D | 18:06 |
faenil | ok, now that I have your attention: GO CODE FOR NEMO! | 18:06 |
faenil | lol | 18:06 |
faenil | fk_lx, I'll forgive you this time :D | 18:07 |
fk_lx | :-D | 18:07 |
faenil | I should get to maliit instead | 18:07 |
fk_lx | thanks :-) | 18:07 |
faenil | Morpog_PC, are you working on components? no excuse, or I'll track you down :P | 18:07 |
faenil | and beat :P | 18:08 |
faenil | you | 18:08 |
Morpog_PC | faenil, nope, just woke up a few minutes ago :) | 18:08 |
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faenil | Morpog_PC, great, we need fresh minds here! | 18:09 |
Stskeeps | faenil: takes are good here | 18:09 |
Stskeeps | :P | 18:09 |
faenil | Stskeeps, takes? | 18:11 |
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faenil | ah yeah I got you | 18:11 |
faenil | lol :D | 18:11 |
iekku | who what where? fresh brains? | 18:11 |
iekku | i could use several of those | 18:11 |
faenil | who activated iekku? :D | 18:12 |
faenil | iekku, hey ma'am, how you doing :) | 18:12 |
iekku | ahoy cub | 18:12 |
iekku | faenil, tired as hell all the time. | 18:13 |
Stskeeps | taxes | 18:13 |
faenil | Stskeeps, oh misunderstood then, still good :) | 18:14 |
faenil | iekku, is it because of Stskeeps? I can beat him up in Katowice, just say it! | 18:14 |
iekku | Stskeeps, tasty ones? | 18:14 |
iekku | faenil, no :D | 18:14 |
iekku | faenil, i hope i will be there too | 18:14 |
faenil | iekku, oh btw, are you coming? | 18:14 |
faenil | oh great! | 18:14 |
iekku | it's in my plans at least | 18:15 |
iekku | i have been sick lately, so i hope i can come. will know in week | 18:15 |
faenil | oh :( hope you recover soon | 18:15 |
faenil | sick badger | 18:16 |
iekku | <3 | 18:16 |
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faenil | anyone around who can package opensans please? | 18:32 |
* faenil the wind blows.. | 18:33 | |
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dm8tbr | no packaging to kang from some other rpm based distro? | 18:40 |
faenil | there's a starting point from opensuse | 18:40 |
faenil | but it uses its macros | 18:40 |
faenil | dm8tbr, and also, there are no fontconfig confs for opensans | 18:51 |
faenil | not in the official package at least (and not even on opensuse's) | 18:51 |
Stskeeps | install into /usr/share/fonts and /usr/bin/fc-cache in %post | 18:51 |
faenil | Stskeeps, that is all? | 18:52 |
faenil | no confs no fontconfig? | 18:52 |
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faenil | I think fontconfigs are needed, but I've never packaged a font :D | 19:00 |
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faenil | to those interested: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Simple_fonts_spec_template | 19:03 |
Stskeeps | faenil: fc-cache is that | 19:04 |
faenil | Stskeeps, fc-cache builds the rulesets too? | 19:04 |
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Morpog_PC | faenil, there are several branches of nemo-keyboard | 19:15 |
Stskeeps | faenil: should be fine | 19:15 |
Morpog_PC | and all are qt4? | 19:15 |
faenil | Stskeeps, then easy peasy...what about %postun ? run fc-cache again? | 19:15 |
Stskeeps | i guess so | 19:16 |
faenil | ok ;) | 19:16 |
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Morpog_PC | well, I just clone master then :) | 19:20 |
faenil | yes I think we're using master ;) | 19:21 |
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faenil | in all this, I haven't started working on maliit yet xD | 19:26 |
faenil | Stskeeps, can I use tar.bz package with tar_git? | 19:27 |
faenil | or should I unpack the font first in git repo? | 19:27 |
faenil | so that tar_git can compress the files? | 19:27 |
Stskeeps | just unpack the font | 19:29 |
faenil | ok | 19:29 |
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Morpog_PC | few, from looking at those qml files it seems this is a whole mixed mess :) | 19:34 |
fk_lx | http://qtfortizen.blogspot.com/2013/08/smartdevcon.html | 19:35 |
fk_lx | even Jolla is mentioned | 19:35 |
fk_lx | :-) | 19:35 |
Morpog_PC | Jolla is Platinum Sponsor there | 19:35 |
faenil | Jolla \o/ | 19:36 |
fk_lx | "Among others, guys doing Qt-related R&D from Samsung, Jolla and Ubuntu can be met in a single location!" wouldn't expect that in Samsung people blog post | 19:36 |
fk_lx | nice :-) | 19:36 |
fk_lx | +1 for Samsung | 19:36 |
faenil | oh cool :) | 19:36 |
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fk_lx | Morpog_PC: yeah I know it's Platinum Sponsor, but competition rarely mentions them | 19:40 |
Morpog_PC | yep, thats true | 19:40 |
fk_lx | I recall MWC discussion panel where Shuttelworth mentioned only Mozilla and lady from Mozilla mentioned Canonical and Marc Dillon mentioned both of them | 19:41 |
fk_lx | I was so annoyed by that fact, that I've almost ate my LCD screen | 19:41 |
fk_lx | ;-) | 19:41 |
Morpog_PC | yeah, they are that feared, that they try to ignore them :) | 19:43 |
faenil | :D | 19:43 |
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fk_lx | how was it - first they ignore, then they fight you and then you win | 19:48 |
fk_lx | :-) | 19:48 |
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qwazix | Morpog_PC, faenil, Hurrian http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=472 | 20:11 |
faenil | qwazix, mm that's not buttonrow | 20:11 |
Morpog_PC | trying to recreate keyboard button in SVG atm | 20:12 |
faenil | I like the concept ;) | 20:12 |
faenil | but it's not buttonrow | 20:12 |
Morpog_PC | looks nice qwazix | 20:13 |
Morpog_PC | btw qwazix, what is demibold? sShouldn't that be semibold? | 20:14 |
faenil | yeah typo | 20:14 |
Morpog_PC | it's in all his so far published concepts | 20:14 |
Morpog_PC | definitions | 20:15 |
qwazix | Morpog_PC, faenil, it's no typo | 20:15 |
qwazix | that's how Qt defines semibold | 20:15 |
qwazix | http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-font.html | 20:15 |
faenil | ah ok | 20:15 |
faenil | :) | 20:15 |
qwazix | and faenil, it does the same thing as buttonRow: it allows to select one of several values | 20:16 |
qwazix | just different styling | 20:16 |
faenil | not exactly | 20:17 |
faenil | yours is just exclusive | 20:17 |
qwazix | yeah, but it can easily be made non exclusive | 20:17 |
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faenil | qwazix, well if multiple selection was part of concept, then it's ok ;) | 20:19 |
faenil | I like it :) | 20:19 |
qwazix | It wasn't, I forgot it completely, but that doesn't mean I can't do it now :P | 20:19 |
faenil | ahahah ok :p | 20:20 |
faenil | I like the idea for exclusive use | 20:20 |
faenil | but not sure it fits multiple selection as well | 20:20 |
aknight | multiple selection by pinch stretching the highlight... | 20:20 |
faenil | aknight, that only works if buttons you want to select are adjacent :D | 20:21 |
aknight | faenil: no, once you enlarge it, you can drag them individually ;) | 20:21 |
faenil | aknight, ah well multitouch control, yes ;) | 20:21 |
faenil | starting pinch is hard from one button though | 20:21 |
faenil | it's not very big (and it requires 2 fingers) | 20:22 |
aknight | nah, you just need a big screen (or small fingers) | 20:22 |
faenil | just :D | 20:22 |
faenil | but yeah multiple selection with many fingers could make sense :) | 20:22 |
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qwazix | I fixed it. Same link | 20:31 |
qwazix | (also reminder that there are pdf's at github, you don't have to squint) | 20:32 |
Morpog_PC | nice fix :) | 20:34 |
NeeDforKill | hey guys | 20:35 |
NeeDforKill | what's new? | 20:35 |
faenil | working on maliit here | 20:38 |
faenil | while talking and watching a move :D | 20:38 |
faenil | movie :D | 20:38 |
Morpog_PC | I hate inkscape :) | 20:40 |
qwazix | have you noticed that while tapping a switch does the same exact thing, and quicker, everybody likes to flip them instead? | 20:40 |
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Morpog_PC | qwazix, maybe feels more natural? | 20:40 |
qwazix | Morpog_PC, are you using a mac? | 20:41 |
Morpog_PC | nope | 20:41 |
qwazix | then you have no excuse for not liking inkscape :P | 20:41 |
faenil | qwazix, I tap on switches XD | 20:41 |
Morpog_PC | well, I'm just too less experienced with it | 20:42 |
Morpog_PC | but it starts to look good | 20:42 |
qwazix | faenil, I'm hoping that this buttonrow will have the same effect, people will like to swipe it instead of tapping, and smarter people like you will still tap. | 20:43 |
qwazix | Morpog_PC, now you're talking :) | 20:43 |
faenil | qwazix, but I have to agree on that, that control makes me want to swipe on it :P | 20:43 |
qwazix | It's just that I believe that using photoshop for mockups is like torturing yourself. Not that photoshop isn't a fine program, but it's like using a saw to cut your stake. | 20:44 |
qwazix | tool for a different job | 20:44 |
qwazix | *steak | 20:44 |
Morpog_PC | really, I feel same about inkscape :) | 20:44 |
qwazix | faenil, happy to hear it | 20:45 |
qwazix | Morpog_PC, in programming and html we have objects, not layers. Abusing layers to make objects is ehm, just that. | 20:46 |
Morpog_PC | well, abusing programs is a hobby for me since ages :) | 20:47 |
qwazix | anyway, enough preaching. I'm just saying try to gain some more experience in it, before dismissing it. | 20:49 |
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qwazix | ok, vote the next control | 20:49 |
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NeeDforKill | what a movie? | 20:54 |
faenil | don't know something they're giving on tv | 20:55 |
Morpog_PC | qwazix, how do I stop inkscape anialising my edges when exporting? It even does it when exporting in same dimension as drawing :( | 20:56 |
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qwazix | Morpog_PC, how are you exporting? save as... or export bitmap? | 20:56 |
Morpog_PC | export bitmap | 20:57 |
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Morpog_PC | as png | 20:57 |
qwazix | let me see | 20:58 |
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Morpog_PC | qwazix, http://db.tt/GeCl2GKX | 21:00 |
NeeDforKill | what is this? | 21:02 |
qwazix | Morpog_PC, you need to snap to grid (1px) or use the spinners on the toolbar to put objects to exact px, not decimal | 21:02 |
qwazix | you can set up grids at document properties | 21:03 |
Morpog_PC | ah ok, see I'm such an Inkscape noob :) | 21:04 |
qwazix | despite having a couple of years experience in it this never occured to me :) mostly because I always export at double the px and scale down with css to cater for zoom and retinas, and because I rarely do bitmaps for things I can do in html | 21:06 |
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Morpog_PC | :) | 21:10 |
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qwazix | textField and textArea http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=479 | 21:48 |
faenil | cool :) | 21:50 |
faenil | the stripes on the read-only text maybe is too much? | 21:50 |
qwazix | yeah, I'll tone them down a bit | 22:02 |
faenil | also, they make text reading difficult | 22:04 |
qwazix | done | 22:05 |
faenil | yeah better | 22:06 |
faenil | though I'm not sure the stripes really convey the read-only semantic | 22:07 |
faenil | it's perfect for "disabled" | 22:07 |
faenil | but in this case I'm not sure it's the best option | 22:07 |
faenil | what do you think? | 22:07 |
qwazix | It's disabled, not read-only. I don't expect to have text usually in them | 22:08 |
qwazix | for reading we can always use labels with text selection enabled | 22:08 |
faenil | wait | 22:09 |
faenil | disabled? | 22:09 |
faenil | what do you mean by disabled, in text | 22:09 |
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Morpog_PC | no able to write something into | 22:09 |
qwazix | just like html disabled. can't do zilch on it | 22:09 |
qwazix | readonly is another thing | 22:10 |
Morpog_PC | faenil, so I just restyled the existing nemo VKB, you wanna try? | 22:10 |
Morpog_PC | only graphics, no QML changes | 22:10 |
faenil | Morpog_PC, not able to write means read-only to me | 22:11 |
Morpog_PC | read only could be empty faenil | 22:11 |
faenil | :/ | 22:11 |
Morpog_PC | so first need to activate a button or anything to be able to write stuff in there | 22:12 |
Morpog_PC | Oh, I see on twitter you fixed maliit faenil :D | 22:12 |
faenil | nope | 22:12 |
faenil | you don't see black screen? :) | 22:12 |
Morpog_PC | well, at least it shows up now fine :) | 22:13 |
qwazix | readonly doesn't have very much point on mobile | 22:13 |
qwazix | faenil, http://jsfiddle.net/A89Q7/ | 22:13 |
qwazix | selecting text is a pain anyway on capacitive, so it's better to do something like label + copy button | 22:14 |
Morpog_PC | qwazix, well on readonly you can copy the text | 22:14 |
faenil | on disabled as well | 22:14 |
Morpog_PC | ah lol | 22:14 |
faenil | they just have different colours | 22:14 |
Morpog_PC | I hsould read before I write | 22:14 |
qwazix | faenil, no, on disabled you can't | 22:14 |
faenil | I'm used to readonly | 22:14 |
faenil | qwazix, I can do that on Chrome | 22:15 |
faenil | both on disabled and readonly | 22:15 |
qwazix | pfff, Chrome | 22:15 |
Morpog_PC | well, then they don't follow standards | 22:15 |
faenil | lol | 22:15 |
Morpog_PC | chrome is the new IE6 | 22:16 |
faenil | lol | 22:17 |
qwazix | anyway, all striped controls are disabled. If we really want a readonly state we should think of something else. | 22:17 |
faenil | ok ;) it's okay if you there actually is a difference between disabled and readonly :P | 22:18 |
faenil | which I wasn't aware of, I'm used to readonly | 22:18 |
Morpog_PC | faenil can you try please? http://db.tt/GeCl2GKX | 22:20 |
qwazix | in any way disabled textFields, and as a matter of fact *any* disabled control is a bad idea on mobile except for special cases. Due to limited screen space, it's better to just hide irrelevant controls | 22:20 |
faenil | Morpog_PC, don't want spoilers, I'll try that once I fix maliit :D | 22:20 |
faenil | qwazix, in fact, readonly is something which you can't modify, but can copy | 22:21 |
faenil | makes sense.. | 22:21 |
qwazix | faenil, yes, it makes sense. But it doesn't make sense forcing the user to select it by hand. | 22:22 |
faenil | ah well sure | 22:22 |
Morpog_PC | faenil, VKB needs disabled and highlight added to qml. Also maybe it's better to do them all like the function keys | 22:22 |
faenil | ? | 22:23 |
qwazix | So it should be something else, not a textField, let's call it copyableText and it's sole purpose is to give some text for the user to copy | 22:23 |
Morpog_PC | function keys have 3 graphics, left/right/middle | 22:23 |
Morpog_PC | normal keys have for each size one graphic | 22:23 |
qwazix | Morpog_PC, in Hurrian's mockup keys have only top border | 22:24 |
Morpog_PC | yep, or like that and do button in qml | 22:24 |
Morpog_PC | still, that top border would consist of 3 parts | 22:24 |
qwazix | ?? | 22:25 |
Morpog_PC | left/right/middle | 22:25 |
Morpog_PC | it's not just a line qwazix, look closely | 22:25 |
qwazix | yeah, too tiny | 22:26 |
qwazix | but anyway, your buttons have left and right borders all the way | 22:27 |
qwazix | (though it might be a maliit styling thing I don't know) | 22:27 |
faenil | anyway, maliit is one step ahead, but we have to wait tomorrow to hear some expert | 22:28 |
faenil | let's package the damn font | 22:28 |
Morpog_PC | :) | 22:28 |
Morpog_PC | qwazix, did you watch the SVG's in browser? because there I see the borders too you are talking about | 22:32 |
Morpog_PC | must be a FF SVG view bug | 22:32 |
cxl000 | I have a number of x86_64 patches that have been accepted into the git repos. How do I get the OBS packages updated to include the fixes? | 22:33 |
qwazix | Morpog_PC, yeah, that | 22:33 |
faenil | cxl000, as in you made Pull Requests and they've been reviewed and merged? | 22:35 |
cxl000 | yes. pulled and merged | 22:38 |
faenil | cxl000, then if those repos already have a webhook setup | 22:39 |
faenil | you just have to tag a new release | 22:39 |
faenil | and that will automagically trigger a new build on OBS | 22:39 |
cxl000 | so lookup the webhook page to check it has a web hook. | 22:42 |
cxl000 | can anyone tag the repo? | 22:42 |
faenil | cxl000, you? | 22:45 |
faenil | cxl000, if you can't tell me the repo and I'll see if I can ;) (some repos are restricted) | 22:47 |
cxl000 | cor, statefs, statefs-contextkit. I've also got an SR for the new build dep 'tut' for cor | 22:51 |
faenil | done :) | 22:55 |
faenil | don't know about the SR | 22:55 |
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faenil | cxl000, you should have told me the SR was a prerogative for it to build :D | 22:57 |
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gry | Morning. | 22:58 |
faenil | o/ | 22:58 |
qwazix | time to go. bye #nemomobile o/ | 22:59 |
faenil | bye qwazix o/ | 22:59 |
faenil | cxl000, have you checked OBS? | 23:00 |
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faenil | cxl000, .... | 23:18 |
faenil | Morpog_PC, you still there? | 23:31 |
faenil | anyway, I packaged Google OpenSans font, have fun :) https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=google-opensans-fonts&project=home%3Afaenil | 23:32 |
faenil | good night people | 23:32 |
cxl000 | good night. | 23:57 |
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