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| qwazix | Hurrian, Morpog_, faenil: the header: http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=495 | 09:17 |
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| Morpog_ | qwazix, I'm not sure about the gradient to transparent | 09:21 |
| qwazix | I just copied hurrian's design | 09:22 |
| qwazix | I doesn't look good when fading to white, but it's very nice on colored backgrounds (see music player) | 09:22 |
| Morpog_ | but what to do on bright backgrounds then? | 09:23 |
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| qwazix | we don't have bright backgrounds in Glacier | 09:23 |
| Morpog_ | well, imagine a document viewer | 09:23 |
| Morpog_ | image viewer | 09:23 |
| Morpog_ | browser | 09:24 |
| qwazix | Now if the odd music album has a white cover then bummer. | 09:24 |
| qwazix | browser won't have a header | 09:24 |
| qwazix | image viewer will look good most of the times | 09:24 |
| qwazix | document viewer you have a point | 09:24 |
| qwazix | we might do an exception in the case of document viewer and make a much more subtle fade (to grey instead of black) | 09:25 |
| qwazix | what do you think? | 09:25 |
| Morpog_ | hmmm | 09:25 |
| Morpog_ | i like consistency | 09:26 |
| Morpog_ | oh and those buttons are huge :) | 09:27 |
| Morpog_ | the 3 dots symbol has too less spacing | 09:27 |
| Morpog_ | I would do all buttons with same boundaries size | 09:27 |
| Morpog_ | so those 3 buttons would be centered | 09:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey guys :) | 09:29 |
| Morpog_ | hiya | 09:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: fade to grey for "lighter theme" is ok for me | 09:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but this will make the text look slightly bad | 09:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: IMO, the 3 buttons are good | 09:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but there is spacing needed for the 3-dots button | 09:31 |
| qwazix | Sfiet_Konstantin, Morpog_ http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=501 | 09:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | we need to have not huge texts for headers, unlike (eg) WP | 09:31 |
| qwazix | Sfiet_Konstantin, yep, text is same as all other Glacier texts, just bolder | 09:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: btw, thanks for the huge efforts done for design these days | 09:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I like it and am ready to contribute soon | 09:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (trying to do a school project :)) | 09:32 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, sure it looks great on dark and colored backgrounds | 09:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: cool | 09:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: about this gradient, is it an uniform gradient from top to bottom ? | 09:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because for white background, I'm afraid that the end of the text is not visible | 09:33 |
| Morpog_ | looks like | 09:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what about 50% transparent at 35% of the height ? | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | btw.. you might want to work this into your designs somehow: avoid having a background that's changing | 09:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (non-uniform gradient) | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | at higher resolutions filling the entire screen with the background, it can easily become expensive | 09:33 |
| Stskeeps | solid colors can be hw accelerated | 09:34 |
| Morpog_ | stskeeps, the background nomally is solid black | 09:34 |
| Morpog_ | normally | 09:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: don't think that it is about having an image as background here | 09:34 |
| Stskeeps | ok, that's good | 09:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but as Morpog_ said, there can be white / light background | 09:35 |
| Morpog_ | we are just discussing cases where it isn't :) | 09:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: look at the second picture, the ~ white background isn't bad either | 09:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | /should/ be ok | 09:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and if it is not, we can just change the way the gradient is rendered | 09:36 |
| Morpog_ | i tried that on icefox browser with white, it was ugly | 09:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: screenshot ? | 09:36 |
| Morpog_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, your idea of non uniform gradient could work though | 09:36 |
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| Morpog_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, don't have saved I think, should be somewhere in backlog :) | 09:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: would be slightly un-natural, but can work | 09:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or an uniform gradient starting at 80% of height | 09:36 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | and solid black from 80% to 20% | 09:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (of height, starting from the bottom) | 09:37 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | (just like in physics) | 09:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (y axis pointing upwards) | 09:37 |
| qwazix | Sfiet_Konstantin, yw | 09:39 |
| qwazix | yep, uniform gradient | 09:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | aaah, so many images on play.qwazix.com/grog | 09:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | wifi here can't stand it :D | 09:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: technical aspect, what do you think about using a shader to render the button press effect ? | 09:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | instead of loading an image ? | 09:42 |
| Morpog_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, http://abload.de/img/gradient0ys45.png | 09:42 |
| qwazix | Sfiet_Konstantin, even better, but I know nothing about shaders, so I specced the easier way I could think about | 09:43 |
| qwazix | The shader will be better as the glow can grow instead of just appear (smoother) | 09:43 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, those buttons are 50ux50u? | 09:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 41s ping :O | 09:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: I can do some shaders :) | 09:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_: ugly :O | 09:44 |
| Morpog_ | see :) | 09:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it is bad only for the second line of text | 09:44 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, I didn't measure them :-| | 09:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | IMO, the header should only have one line of text | 09:44 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, maybe the exception should be a totally black header without gradient at all? | 09:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or small text (like browser title), should go upper | 09:45 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, Sfiet_Konstantin, we've already decided we won't do the gradient in the browser because usually pages are full of text | 09:45 |
| qwazix | and having text over text, even with 80% opacity hampers readability | 09:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (IMO) | 09:45 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, yes, but for other stuff like document viewer that would be good too instead of an altered gradient | 09:45 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, sounds ok (re: exception) | 09:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 09:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but the first line (buttons, url, tabs) looks good | 09:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is just about the second line (title) that is wrong | 09:46 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, toolbuttons are 44x44u | 09:46 |
| qwazix | I'll spec them seperately though | 09:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: is there any code in github for the components ? | 09:47 |
| Morpog_ | and the 3 dots are 44x44 too? | 09:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will make my N950 run nemo soon and make it ready to be hacked | 09:47 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, 35x8 | 09:47 |
| qwazix | they are just an indicator, not meant to be tapped | 09:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: what indicator is it ? | 09:48 |
| Morpog_ | why not same 44x44, but centered in it? | 09:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | +1 for Morpog_ | 09:48 |
| qwazix | I don't want to make it look like another button, it isn't | 09:48 |
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| qwazix | see the three dots in BB10 and WP8 | 09:48 |
| qwazix | it's an indicator that more options are there if you swipe the menu down | 09:48 |
| qwazix | the *header* down | 09:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: ah | 09:49 |
| Morpog_ | but when there is no free space to drag down, the 3 dots would be a great place to drag down then | 09:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: I would have the 2 options at the same time | 09:49 |
| Morpog_ | Sfiet_Konstantin, +1 | 09:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or for those that don't want gestures, tap it to act like swipe down | 09:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (just like in WP actually) | 09:49 |
| qwazix | Yes, no problem | 09:49 |
| qwazix | The idea works as such: the dots are smaller than comfortable to tap, if you do tap them the menu should open, but if you don't want to try your accuracy, just swipe down anywhere on the header, even if it's over a button | 09:50 |
| Morpog_ | I like the idea of those round buttons | 09:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm not a huge fan of round buttons. It is better than on WP, but I'm a bit afraid that it still makes people slightly confused | 09:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (refering to a study saying that the round border of WP buttons prevent people to guess the shape of the icon inside, leading to confusion) | 09:52 |
| qwazix | I agree with that, but I don't think it's the shape, rather than the border | 09:53 |
| qwazix | that WP border is the same weight as the icon inside, same color, it looks like it's part of the image | 09:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: ah yeah | 09:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I personally prefer plain icons, but it is still ok I think | 09:54 |
| qwazix | let me try it | 09:54 |
| Morpog_ | I'M ok with both | 09:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: because at least you don't have a solid border around the icons | 09:55 |
| qwazix | better? http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wall4.png | 09:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: loading ... ... ... :D | 09:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | way better | 09:57 |
| Morpog_ | hmm, not sure :) | 09:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | IMO the icons are really clear | 09:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but you loose the fact that they are icons, and it might seems that they are somehow integrated in the header | 09:59 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | but with a small adaptation time, it shouldn't be a problem (imo) | 09:59 |
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| qwazix | I think I like it a little bit better too, but I'm not strongly inclined either way | 10:00 |
| qwazix | And one with the non-linear gradient Sfiet_Konstantin proposed http://play.qwazix.com/grog/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/wall4.png | 10:05 |
| qwazix | (hard-refresh your browser - same url) | 10:06 |
| qwazix | btw Morpog_, document viewer probably doesn't need a header while viewing documents | 10:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: looks correct | 10:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not really shocking | 10:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qwazix: it might need one because of toolbars ? | 10:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | boarding starting soon, bbl guys | 10:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks qwazix for time spent on design, I like all of it so far ;) | 10:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | thanks Morpog_ as well :) | 10:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and everybody involved :) | 10:08 |
| qwazix | Sfiet_Konstantin, yeah, but we have to design it first, there's no point talking about it. And as it is a core app we can do some subtle design exception for it to look good, as long as we don't confuse the user | 10:09 |
| qwazix | and you are welcome once again | 10:10 |
| qwazix | I think it looks better without the circles, sorry Morpog_ :-) | 10:12 |
| Hurrian | o hai qwazix | 10:13 |
| qwazix | hi Hurrian | 10:13 |
| Hurrian | yep, in this case, the circles are too much | 10:14 |
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| Hurrian | they're minor options | 10:14 |
| qwazix | what do you think? I modified your header a bit | 10:14 |
| qwazix | left aligned the text to fit some icons, and made it ultra-bold to stand a bit out of the other app texts | 10:14 |
| Hurrian | a bit too bold for me, tried semibold? | 10:14 |
| Hurrian | ah, and the arrow's too big - keep it about twice the size of a lowercase letter, at most | 10:15 |
| qwazix | ok | 10:15 |
| qwazix | IMO semibold, doesn't stand out at all because we have the same height. Let's go middle ground and do it bold. | 10:18 |
| Hurrian | alright. | 10:19 |
| qwazix | the same height as other texts in the app* | 10:19 |
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| Hurrian | btw, the bolder the text, the less space should be between the letters | 10:19 |
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| Hurrian | it helps keep balance, I think | 10:19 |
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| qwazix | uploaded the image again, with bold and no circles around icons | 10:20 |
| qwazix | I agree, but I'm not sure what kind of kerning support Qt has so let's keep the default for now | 10:21 |
| Hurrian | alright. | 10:21 |
| Hurrian | BTW, the gradient is too harsh | 10:21 |
| Hurrian | the top shouldn't end at 100% opacity | 10:22 |
| Hurrian | maybe 80-90% would do. | 10:22 |
| qwazix | Ok | 10:22 |
| qwazix | fixed | 10:23 |
| qwazix | though it breaks seamlessness in the menu | 10:27 |
| qwazix | Do you think the menu should bring the whole app down, or pull over the contents of the app? | 10:28 |
| Hurrian | Just pull over, like Harmattan. | 10:28 |
| Hurrian | wait, does the menu have to be modal? | 10:29 |
| Hurrian | if it steals focus, it moves the whole app, but if it can still interact with the app (e.g. a photo editor), it should pull over. | 10:29 |
| qwazix | good question | 10:30 |
| qwazix | I don't like unnecessary modality (cough, cough, Windows) | 10:31 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, smaller arrow looks fine, maybe the other icons a bit smaller too | 10:31 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, touch area should still be 50x50 so idk if the bigger spacing will look nice | 10:33 |
| Morpog_ | sure, touch are should be 50x50 still | 10:33 |
| Morpog_ | area | 10:33 |
| qwazix | and the king of unnecessary modality is *drumroll* MacOS Mail | 10:33 |
| qwazix | you have to go open your webmail to check something else while replying to a mail message! | 10:34 |
| Morpog_ | disgusting | 10:34 |
| qwazix | In fact there are very, very few times where modality is actually required | 10:36 |
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| qwazix | most of the times, it is just annoying (why can't I have the font dialog open in another screen and continue editing my document?) and creates inconsistency (find dialog is not modal but nobody knows it) | 10:37 |
| qwazix | so that brings us to a third option: do it like the vkb, and let the app rearrange itself with the menu open | 10:39 |
| Morpog_ | could work | 10:42 |
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| NeeDforKill | hey guys | 18:49 |
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| faenil | evening o/ | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | evening | 19:19 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, anyway fyi, %_font_pkg does everything for you | 19:20 |
| locusf | evening | 19:20 |
| faenil | no need for fc-cache | 19:20 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, not taking Martin to the cinema on Sat evening? :) | 19:23 |
| faenil | locusf, o/ | 19:23 |
| locusf | faenil: \o | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | faenil: a crying baby and cinema should be a nice combination for causing mayhem | 19:29 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:29 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, :D stop taking him to watch the Saw series! :P | 19:29 |
| faenil | locusf, any news today? | 19:33 |
| locusf | faenil: nothing :/ | 19:34 |
| faenil | ok | 19:34 |
| locusf | other than that I confirmed MSameer's report on music player working | 19:38 |
| MSameer | faenil: and gallery playing videos too | 19:39 |
| faenil | MSameer, yeah I remember you said both music and videos were working :) | 19:39 |
| MSameer | yup :) | 19:40 |
| MSameer | locusf: i meant you instead of faenil | 19:40 |
| * MSameer needs coffee | 19:40 | |
| faenil | ah ok :) | 19:40 |
| locusf | lol figured | 19:40 |
| faenil | with maliit, I think we have a problem with alpha blending | 19:41 |
| faenil | but maliit uses a fullscreen window (for many reasons) and the top part is black at the moment, while it should be transparent :) | 19:42 |
| locusf | ok so thats the issue | 19:42 |
| faenil | it's the current one | 19:43 |
| faenil | after adding overlay handling to qml compositor | 19:44 |
| locusf | ok | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | you guys might want to check that the window is factually rgba8888 | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | apitrace trace -a egl foo-app | 19:45 |
| Stskeeps | and apitrace dump foo-app.trace | 19:45 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, thanks for the hint, let's see if it works on maliit-server | 19:47 |
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| RzR | hi | 19:55 |
| RzR | I am flashing moslo | 19:55 |
| RzR | flasher.exe -k zImage-moslo -n initrd-moslo -l -b | 19:55 |
| faenil | RzR, hey o/ | 19:55 |
| RzR | and it seems stuck on the repart job | 19:55 |
| RzR | led id blinking | 19:55 |
| faenil | repartitioning? | 19:56 |
| RzR | http://wiki.maemo.org/images/thumb/5/5c/13060003.jpg/500px-13060003.jpg | 19:56 |
| faenil | then it's all right? | 19:56 |
| RzR | I am on "Do not unplug USB or poweroff the device!!!" | 19:56 |
| RzR | for a couple of mins | 19:57 |
| RzR | donno what to do now | 19:57 |
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| faenil | ah ok | 19:57 |
| faenil | if it's just couple of mins I'd say wait some more ;) | 19:57 |
| faenil | I don't remember how long it should take | 19:57 |
| RzR | the led is no more blinking now | 19:58 |
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| RzR | it's done | 20:00 |
| RzR | well I am fine now :) | 20:00 |
| RzR | let's relaxe | 20:00 |
| faenil | RzR, :) | 20:00 |
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| faenil | NeeDforKill, let's continue here | 20:20 |
| faenil | I used Pre provisioned connection from here | 20:20 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Minimal/Networking | 20:20 |
| faenil | have you done that? | 20:20 |
| NeeDforKill | no | 20:20 |
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| faenil | I used the simple config without whistles | 20:20 |
| faenil | and it worked with WPA2 oob | 20:20 |
| NeeDforKill | how i can change and create file vim /var/lib/connman/home-wifi.config | 20:22 |
| NeeDforKill | only from ubuntu? | 20:22 |
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| faenil | NeeDforKill, from ssh? | 20:27 |
| faenil | vim is a text editor | 20:27 |
| faenil | you can use nano | 20:27 |
| faenil | or whateve | 20:28 |
| faenil | do "nano /var bla bla bla" via ssh | 20:28 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, apitrace dump doesn't show anything, though there is stuff in the file (seen with cat) | 20:28 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, fixed with --color | 20:30 |
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| faenil | 28k of OpenGL calls...not bad XD | 20:33 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, 21 eglGetConfigAttrib(dpy = 0x1, config = 0xb, attribute = EGL_ALPHA_SIZE, value = &8) = EGL_TRUE | 20:43 |
| faenil | so, it's using alpha | 20:46 |
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| faenil | 273 glBlendFunc(sfactor = GL_ONE, dfactor = GL_ONE_MINUS_SRC_ALPHA) | 20:50 |
| faenil | ok so the opengl calls look okay to me | 20:56 |
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| RzR | is this wanted https://build.merproject.org/package/live_build_log?arch=armv8el&package=ti-omap3-sgx&project=home%3Aw00t%3Abranches%3Anemo%3Adevel%3Ahw%3Ati%3Aomap3%3An9xx-common&repository=latest_armv7hl ? | 21:01 |
| faenil | RzR, why from that repo? | 21:01 |
| faenil | ti-omap3-sgx is wanted | 21:01 |
| faenil | but from official repo | 21:01 |
| RzR | that's the link at https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland | 21:02 |
| faenil | RzR, haven't you flashed nemo wayland image? | 21:02 |
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| RzR | no i just upgraded | 21:18 |
| RzR | but i am about to test the one w/ qt5 | 21:18 |
| faenil | RzR, you mean nemo wayland | 21:19 |
| RzR | fhttps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/qdd32kaqhmltosm/n950.tar.bz2 | 21:20 |
| faenil | don't know where you got that | 21:20 |
| faenil | is it the one locusf uploaded? | 21:20 |
| RzR | yes | 21:21 |
| faenil | then I think the one on the guide is newer | 21:21 |
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| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Armv7hl_Development_Guide | 21:21 |
| faenil | if you follow the guide let me have feedback please ;) | 21:21 |
| RzR | sure | 21:21 |
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| RzR | the image I just got is useless for now | 21:26 |
| RzR | i am testing yours | 21:27 |
| faenil | the one on the guide is uploaded by locusf as well | 21:32 |
| faenil | it would take too long here | 21:32 |
| faenil | but it's newer | 21:32 |
| faenil | but is the image useless? | 21:32 |
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| faenil | why* | 21:33 |
| RzR | well it was rude | 21:36 |
| RzR | the look and feel can not compare to x11 yet | 21:36 |
| faenil | the first one didn't even have icons I think :) | 21:37 |
| RzR | anyway let me congratz you | 21:37 |
| faenil | but anyway no, nemo wayland is not comparable to nemo x11 at the moment | 21:37 |
| faenil | we have multiple issues | 21:37 |
| RzR | that's good to have some work ongoing on wayland | 21:37 |
| RzR | few system supports it already | 21:38 |
| faenil | thanks :) many people helped me, I haven't been alone in this journey :) | 21:38 |
| RzR | even on the desktop | 21:38 |
| faenil | yeah, agree | 21:38 |
| RzR | have to investigate on how to get e17 on wayland soon | 21:38 |
| faenil | :) I'v enever used it | 21:38 |
| RzR | I had it running in harmattan chroot | 21:50 |
| RzR | but this does not count isnt it ? | 21:50 |
| faenil | don't know :) | 21:53 |
| faenil | good night | 21:59 |
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