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| faenil | morning | 08:08 |
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| aknight | mooning | 08:12 |
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| rcg | morning folks :) | 08:14 |
| faenil | :) | 08:19 |
| fk_lx | hi | 08:20 |
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| gry | sledgeSim: sorry? | 08:23 |
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| sledgeSim | gry, i remember you were promoting/contributing to mozembed/cutefox | 09:22 |
| sledgeSim | what is its state wrt qt5(we'll have it running on wayland) | 09:23 |
| gry | sledgeSim: to mozilla firefox yes, hear this thing first time though; I didn't get to use much internet on Nemo.. keeps autoconnecting to a wifi network that's broken and I can't get it to stop (I see the other correct wifi network in the list) | 09:33 |
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| sledgeSim | gry, and old convo: | 09:36 |
| sledgeSim | 19:56 < Sazius> but Nemo on N950 is otherwise more or less usable? e.g. web browsing over Wifi? | 09:36 |
| sledgeSim | 19:57 < gry> from persoonal experience, a zilion times yes (just wish urls were easier to open from fingerterm) | 09:36 |
| sledgeSim | where i'm coming from :} | 09:36 |
| gry | yes, I got to use a browser over usb networking, it was great | 09:36 |
| gry | I didn't even know its name.. then I stopped using usb networking a while ago so I'm out of the loop again | 09:37 |
| sledgeSim | i see, i just wondered what is the qt5 status on qtmozembed | 09:37 |
| sledgeSim | or effort involved to bring it there | 09:37 |
| gry | dunno, no idea, I use a browser without an idea of its name nor qt version it's on. you'd really have to ask someone else | 09:38 |
| gry | I could probably test it on a device if that's useful but I definitely need more reading, I end up now knowing what I'm doing a bit too often | 09:38 |
| gry | not knowing* | 09:39 |
| sledgeSim | that's fine, one cannot know everything | 09:39 |
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| sledgeSim | remember my father says "only fools know everything" and for some reason he adds "and only fools got no enemies", i think it's a (famous?) quote | 09:40 |
| sledgeSim | :) | 09:40 |
| gry | yeah, I got wifi to die by shutting off connman so I could try to look for its config somewhere.. | 09:41 |
| sledgeSim | gry, you can play with connman-tests package | 09:42 |
| sledgeSim | and connect manually to a chosen AP via cmdline | 09:42 |
| sledgeSim | to see if that works | 09:42 |
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| Morpog_ | sledgeSim, cutefox im technically ported and can be used already. Just it's UI is not ported and very very basic atm on Qt5. You can try to install from repos. cutefox-qt5 is it's name. It works fine on sailfishOS emulator. | 09:51 |
| Morpog_ | http://t.co/esgLm7EIrR | 09:51 |
| Morpog_ | cutefox is* | 09:51 |
| sledgeSim | Morpog_, fantastical, will keep it as a tempting option | 09:52 |
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| Morpog_ | sledgeSim, a very tempting one I would say, as Jolla is using it (with own UI of course) as its browser. | 10:07 |
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| sledgeSim | Morpog_, that has always been a dispute: whether they're using gecko based, webkit based, or simply opera :)) | 10:08 |
| Morpog_ | they already announced its Gecko based | 10:08 |
| sledgeSim | ? | 10:08 |
| sledgeSim | :}~ | 10:08 |
| Stskeeps | it's gecko based | 10:08 |
| sledgeSim | lol | 10:08 |
| Morpog_ | see :) | 10:08 |
| sledgeSim | :D | 10:09 |
| sledgeSim | yes :D | 10:09 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, no Opera, I can say | 10:09 |
| Morpog_ | now you know why it's already ported to Qt5 ;) | 10:09 |
| sledgeSim | hah! :)) | 10:09 |
| sledgeSim | i thought they want to have many cards in their hands ;) | 10:10 |
| sledgeSim | and let choose just like Windows "lets" :D | 10:10 |
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| sledgeSim | as there has been a statement of partnership with Opera | 10:10 |
| Morpog_ | well, I wouldn't say no to an Opera based 3rd party browser as fallback :) | 10:10 |
| sledgeSim | see :) | 10:10 |
| sledgeSim | we'll see, but nemo will surely be (and already is) about the choice | 10:10 |
| sledgeSim | the Linux way | 10:10 |
| faenil | the Opera partnership is old stuff, afaik | 10:11 |
| sledgeSim | we got Cutefox, Snowshoe and who knows what else | 10:11 |
| sledgeSim | good to know that we can forget Helium | 10:11 |
| Morpog_ | well Opera cann still release a browser on sailfishOS, like they do on almost every mobile OS | 10:11 |
| * sledgeSim needs to update wiki | 10:11 | |
| sledgeSim | sure | 10:11 |
| faenil | sure | 10:12 |
| faenil | locusf, ^ | 10:12 |
| * sledgeSim was about to say the same locusf ^ :D | 10:12 | |
| faenil | sledgeSim, first \o/ | 10:12 |
| sledgeSim | #YouWereTheFirstOne :)) | 10:14 |
| faenil | :D | 10:14 |
| locusf | ah ok | 10:18 |
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| locusf | I don't mind TBH | 10:19 |
| Morpog_ | ? locusf did helium? | 10:20 |
| locusf | almost did | 10:21 |
| Morpog_ | well someone with coding skills (so not me :) ) could port cutefox UI or do a new UI for it. While I like cutefox UI, it could be too much for newbies :) | 10:22 |
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| sledgeSim | sounds like a plan and sounds like fun! | 10:26 |
| sledgeSim | is good decision to go with cutefox, as jolla will be maintaining its middleware | 10:26 |
| sledgeSim | (i.e. rendering engine) | 10:27 |
| sledgeSim | and we'll need to blob our own ui on top (just like we do with glacier) | 10:27 |
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| Morpog_ | You could ask coderus when there are problems, he did qmlmozbrowser/cutefox and meefox UI on Qt4. | 10:30 |
| Morpog_ | irc.mozilla.org #embedlite (thats also where the other embedlite (Jolla?) devs hang around) | 10:32 |
| sledgeSim | very nice | 10:32 |
| sledgeSim | im also looking into snowshoe | 10:32 |
| sledgeSim | qt5 webkit2 port exists, has been showed some love 2-4 months ago | 10:32 |
| sledgeSim | but orig repos shows latest touches only January 2013.. | 10:34 |
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| sledgeSim | current state of snowshoe: http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/nemo/snowshoe_zps656072bc.png http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/nemo/snowshoe-webkit_zps4676f990.png | 11:07 |
| sledgeSim | orientation needs fixing (so I couldn't check the other buttons it has like settings), and it does not scroll/slide with mouse (arrow keys work) | 11:08 |
| sledgeSim | but UI is there, and webkit looks very recent | 11:09 |
| sledgeSim | sadly marks up only 349pts | 11:10 |
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| gry | I have a "Foo Network" available, and a "wifi_rubbish_managed_psk" id for it; "test-connman autoconnect wifi_rubbish_managed_psk 1", disabling wireless and re-enabling it doesn't make it autoconnect. how do I go from there? (was looking at https://gist.github.com/canadaduane/5608549) | 11:11 |
| gry | o. /var/lib/connman/ looks useful, as I see from the wiki apparently | 11:12 |
| sledgeSim | but it's possible to botch up 349 higher providing for snowshoe/webkit video/audio/location bits where it's lacking | 11:13 |
| sledgeSim | let's see how complete cutefox is :) | 11:13 |
| locusf | I get 435 | 11:17 |
| sledgeSim | locusf, with? | 11:18 |
| sledgeSim | helium? :) | 11:18 |
| locusf | nah, cutefox | 11:18 |
| sledgeSim | same like 10:51 < Morpog_> http://t.co/esgLm7EIrR | 11:18 |
| sledgeSim | nice :) | 11:18 |
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| locusf | well at least its reproducible :) | 11:19 |
| sledgeSim | i think less effort will be to write a UI for cutefox | 11:19 |
| sledgeSim | and if someone is a webkit fanboy/girl, we know where to point them at ;) | 11:19 |
| sledgeSim | what do you think faenil, locusf ? | 11:20 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, sorry was having lunch, what is the question? | 11:20 |
| sledgeSim | is above :)) | 11:20 |
| faenil | well, let's got for cutefox? :) | 11:21 |
| faenil | if it's more complete alread | 11:21 |
| faenil | y | 11:21 |
| locusf | well its got qt5 already setup | 11:21 |
| sledgeSim | both are incomplete | 11:21 |
| faenil | and Jolla bases off that | 11:21 |
| sledgeSim | yes, jolla backing is a good thing - they will maintain gecko etc | 11:21 |
| sledgeSim | but mer will maintain webkit as they do now | 11:21 |
| sledgeSim | nicely | 11:21 |
| sledgeSim | so | 11:21 |
| sledgeSim | we're kind-of at par | 11:21 |
| gry | hrm, didn't think gecko is a mobile thing after mozilla started shipping firefox on android only | 11:22 |
| sledgeSim | snowshoe has complete ui, but incomplete rendering engine | 11:22 |
| sledgeSim | cutefox - vice versa | 11:22 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:How many mobile browsers are there for the Meego/Maemo family currently? | 11:22 |
| gry | there was a half-dead attempt at packing new gecko with old unmaintained xul interface which still works at maemo but I've not seen anything past that | 11:22 |
| gry | (oh, and a gecko thing called microb but I haven't seen that at nemo yet) | 11:23 |
| sledgeSim | Superpelican, too many, and none of them production quality | 11:23 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:I suspected so | 11:23 |
| Superpelican | I've read about *a lot* of them | 11:23 |
| Superpelican | for Harmattan | 11:23 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Maybe there should be some more collaboration/merging | 11:23 |
| gry | is there something to test / try at nemo without wayland now or is all the effort for qt5 only ? | 11:23 |
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| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Of course we could try to make a best-of-everything browser | 11:24 |
| sledgeSim | is quite senseless to continue testing on x11, because on wayland you can't guarantee the same behaviour | 11:24 |
| Superpelican | UI from browser with best UI + rendering engine from browser with best rendering engine | 11:24 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Is there some webpage with a list of all Meego/Maemo family (yes, that includes Sailfish/Mer/Nemo) browsers? | 11:26 |
| Morpog_ | gry, sledgeSim embedlite (IPCliteAPI) is a similar approach that microb used with GTK and gecko, just with Qt and gecko. It's developer is also the same guy afaik (romaxa). | 11:27 |
| Morpog_ | https://wiki.mozilla.org/Embedding/IPCLiteAPI | 11:27 |
| sledgeSim | there are so many ways to create/clone a UI | 11:29 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:Which browser currently is the most stable/has the brightest future? | 11:29 |
| sledgeSim | but we need to raise principles first | 11:29 |
| sledgeSim | i like w00t's principle: lightweight and bare-necessities-first | 11:29 |
| sledgeSim | now there's a need to type in URL and press enter | 11:30 |
| sledgeSim | :) | 11:30 |
| sledgeSim | so we come up with UI for that | 11:30 |
| sledgeSim | when there's a need for more, someone jumps in and codes that in | 11:30 |
| Superpelican | sledgeSim:eh, you're not actually planning to start a new browser project right now, are you? | 11:30 |
| sledgeSim | following existing design | 11:30 |
| sledgeSim | Superpelican, im talking about UI | 11:30 |
| Superpelican | phew | 11:30 |
| sledgeSim | if you take old UI from somewhere else, it will be tied to its originating browser | 11:30 |
| sledgeSim | quite likely too big/incompatible with our rendering engine/system APIs | 11:31 |
| sledgeSim | and IPCs | 11:31 |
| sledgeSim | stuffs like opening a URL from fingerterm ;) | 11:31 |
| sledgeSim | so, keep it simple | 11:32 |
| sledgeSim | what is current UI on cutefox? | 11:32 |
| sledgeSim | locusf, | 11:32 |
| sledgeSim | because we haven't got many resources to develop a full blown UI | 11:33 |
| Morpog_ | It's just a URLBAR | 11:33 |
| Morpog_ | nothing else :) | 11:34 |
| sledgeSim | good, first stage done :DD | 11:34 |
| sledgeSim | UI design could be done by Hurrian | 11:34 |
| sledgeSim | to blend in with glacier | 11:34 |
| Morpog_ | back/forward reload/stop buttons would be good :) | 11:34 |
| sledgeSim | in collab with qwazix | 11:34 |
| sledgeSim | :D yep lol first feature request | 11:34 |
| sledgeSim | so, a design mockup would be nice to have | 11:34 |
| sledgeSim | or do we already? | 11:34 |
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| Morpog_ | don't think so | 11:35 |
| Hurrian | o hai. | 11:35 |
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| sledgeSim | heya Hurrian :) | 11:35 |
| sledgeSim | we need a browser! :DD | 11:35 |
| Hurrian | see the mockups on Grog ;) | 11:35 |
| Hurrian | I'll start whacking on Glacier come semestral break. | 11:35 |
| sledgeSim | the bare design of browser is already there Morpog_ : http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 | 11:36 |
| sledgeSim | with minimalistic (i like :)) back/forth arrows | 11:36 |
| Morpog_ | which one is the browser? | 11:36 |
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| sledgeSim | under camera | 11:37 |
| sledgeSim | 2nd row right | 11:37 |
| sledgeSim | but arrows might be too small for a finger | 11:37 |
| Morpog_ | hmmmm, a bit too minimalistic | 11:38 |
| sledgeSim | but remember it must show as much content too | 11:38 |
| sledgeSim | so hovering finger above those arrows | 11:38 |
| Morpog_ | have you seen latest firefox on android? | 11:38 |
| sledgeSim | could indicate a swipe left - back | 11:38 |
| sledgeSim | swipe right - forwar | 11:38 |
| sledgeSim | nope | 11:38 |
| Morpog_ | when you scroll down, the urlbar get scrolled down too | 11:38 |
| Morpog_ | a bit like my browser mockup I did a while ago | 11:39 |
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| Morpog_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1C52xMBtPg | 11:40 |
| kjokinie | w00t: chriadam: Aard: https://github.com/nemomobile/ngfd/pull/15 | 11:40 |
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| kjokinie | w00t: chriadam: Aard: .. never mind, forgot to update the documentation.. will resend bit later | 11:42 |
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| sledgeSim | Morpog_, looks great! have you got time to show some love to cutefox then? ;) | 11:42 |
| Morpog_ | erm well, I can't code :) | 11:43 |
| Morpog_ | that was pure photoshop/premiere artwork | 11:43 |
| sledgeSim | lol i though it was qml demo :D | 11:43 |
| sledgeSim | but a good mockup nevertheless | 11:43 |
| sledgeSim | i just would like to tie it in more with glacier UX paradigms (look'n'feel) | 11:44 |
| Morpog_ | sure, that was harmattan UI | 11:44 |
| sledgeSim | re-skinning is not a problem | 11:44 |
| sledgeSim | but making top bar it as tiny as in glacier's mockup, also not convenient | 11:44 |
| sledgeSim | so some design brainstorming required | 11:44 |
| Morpog_ | I really like the approach of moving urlbar, firefox on android and latest opera on android perfected that | 11:45 |
| Morpog_ | you should give them a try | 11:45 |
| sledgeSim | and google browser on android acts the same btw ;) | 11:45 |
| Morpog_ | ah, well, first thing I do is install firefox :) | 11:45 |
| sledgeSim | :D | 11:46 |
| sledgeSim | a slight swipe down and url bar is back | 11:46 |
| Morpog_ | yep | 11:46 |
| sledgeSim | no matter where on page you are | 11:46 |
| Morpog_ | I think thats the goal to save screen real estate | 11:46 |
| sledgeSim | of course there is a threshold - a "slightly smaller than slightly" ;D swipe does not trigger it | 11:46 |
| Morpog_ | of course | 11:46 |
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| sledgeSim | locusf, sorry for your effort, but mind if I replace helium with cutefox in wiki? | 11:52 |
| sledgeSim | im sure you still learned some :) | 11:53 |
| locusf | sledgeSim: sure, no problem | 11:53 |
| sledgeSim | great, thanks | 11:53 |
| locusf | sledgeSim: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/cutefox | 11:54 |
| locusf | thats probably the right url | 11:54 |
| locusf | ah its not | 11:55 |
| sledgeSim | it's not originating one yup | 11:56 |
| sledgeSim | nemomobile-packages is a package where nemo is not upstream | 11:56 |
| locusf | that ones got some ui too | 11:56 |
| locusf | ah ok | 11:56 |
| sledgeSim | this is the very orig repo: https://github.com/tmeshkova/qmlmozbrowser | 11:57 |
| locusf | yep | 11:57 |
| sledgeSim | good question if we should contribute upstream or to -packages.. | 11:57 |
| sledgeSim | probably our ui will be on -packages; well, we'll need a maintainer to keep merging from upstream | 11:57 |
| Morpog_ | well, cutefox was maintained by rozkohv, maybe we should ask him? (on #embedlite) | 11:58 |
| sledgeSim | the same way jolla does with their ui | 11:58 |
| sledgeSim | good idea | 12:00 |
| Morpog_ | upstream has qmlmozbrowser which has its own components | 12:00 |
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| sledgeSim | is there a split between the two? | 12:00 |
| locusf | hmm I can't run that repo code | 12:01 |
| locusf | it crashes on startup | 12:01 |
| sledgeSim | which 1? | 12:01 |
| Morpog_ | well, on qt4 not, only packaging and executing was different | 12:01 |
| locusf | qmlmozbrowser | 12:01 |
| sledgeSim | is several commits ahead | 12:01 |
| sledgeSim | but july 17 and back is 1:1 | 12:01 |
| sledgeSim | the two repos | 12:01 |
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| sledgeSim | i see pvuorela is adding patches to maliit repo (nemo is not upstream): https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/maliit-framework/tree/master/rpm | 12:07 |
| sledgeSim | i dislike patches (we got rid of them in OBS asap), i wonder can this be done via branches.. | 12:08 |
| sledgeSim | whichever's less headache really.. | 12:08 |
| sledgeSim | but cutefox is just a UI wrapper around qtmozembed | 12:10 |
| sledgeSim | so we could write our own (icefox) wrapper - just by cloning this simplest ever subtree and taking it from there: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/cutefox/tree/master/quick | 12:10 |
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| sledgeSim | (icefox as in glacier ;D) | 12:11 |
| Morpog_ | and you can always have a look on qmlmozbrowser and meefox how coderus solved stuff like search in page, etc. | 12:11 |
| sledgeSim | yup | 12:12 |
| sledgeSim | i think that's the way to go | 12:12 |
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| Morpog_ | I'll try to do a mockup.Hurrian seems to be busy atm if I understood him correct? | 12:13 |
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| sledgeSim | well I think up to this point he's done very well what we currently need | 12:13 |
| sledgeSim | so is great that anyone else can start chipping in | 12:13 |
| sledgeSim | we should also see how the phase with glacier qt-components go | 12:14 |
| Morpog_ | I can borrow stuff from his UI mockups :) | 12:14 |
| sledgeSim | faenil, is there sense to wait for qt5 app PRs to go through? | 12:14 |
| Hurrian | Morpog_: yep, super busy. | 12:14 |
| sledgeSim | as w00t is on holiday | 12:14 |
| Hurrian | although if you've got questions about Glacier, just shoot! | 12:14 |
| Hurrian | there might be UI concepts I haven't elaborated on | 12:14 |
| sledgeSim | hope he'll help as much as possible, but it will be slow | 12:14 |
| sledgeSim | Hurrian, I think Morpog_ will soon ask you to share some browsery SVG bits ;) | 12:15 |
| sledgeSim | and should we go with pitch black background? | 12:16 |
| Hurrian | yep, pitch black. | 12:16 |
| sledgeSim | great | 12:16 |
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| faenil | sledgeSim, I don't see any | 12:17 |
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| Morpog_ | well, if hurrian can share why not. Else I would produce a remix of his UI elements in photoshop with my vision how a browser should look like on nemo and glacier | 12:17 |
| faenil | my 2 cents, it doesn't make sense to create the browser UI without even having a prototype of the UI components we'll use in Nemo | 12:17 |
| Hurrian | Morpog_: if you want the PSDs, I can give 'em to ya | 12:18 |
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| Morpog_ | sure hurrian would be convenient | 12:18 |
| sledgeSim | faenil, yes, Morpog_ will work on a mockup too | 12:18 |
| Morpog_ | faenil, a mockup is a mockup, implementation will always be a bit different | 12:19 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, I'm talking about real QML prototype | 12:19 |
| faenil | Morpog_, sure | 12:19 |
| sledgeSim | faenil, ok, I wasn't talking about qml yet | 12:19 |
| faenil | I'm tlaking about coding, doesn't make sense to start coding the UI when we don't even know the components we will use :D | 12:19 |
| faenil | photoshop work can continue, of course :P | 12:20 |
| faenil | ok | 12:20 |
| sledgeSim | good we're on same page :) | 12:20 |
| faenil | :) | 12:20 |
| faenil | I should get done with fingerterm in a bit, and then I'll be looking for a new task :P | 12:20 |
| sledgeSim | and those without anything to do should help finishing porting apps as much as possible (we're blocked by qmlsettings->qmlmail) | 12:22 |
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| sledgeSim | qmlmessages still needs love, any takers? | 12:22 |
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| faenil | sledgeSim, guys from Nomovok said they were working on a port as well | 12:25 |
| faenil | parallel to special's work | 12:25 |
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| faenil | sledgeSim, same about qmlcontacts | 12:26 |
| sledgeSim | what should we do those who have free time? ;) | 12:27 |
| faenil | some TODOs: pattern creations starting from my .ks | 12:28 |
| faenil | so that we can start building images for other devices | 12:28 |
| faenil | patterns* creation | 12:29 |
| sledgeSim | could you please drop some links (in wiki) on this bit? | 12:30 |
| faenil | well, I wouldn't know what to link | 12:30 |
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| faenil | there's nemo-patterns package | 12:30 |
| sledgeSim | i.e. a tutorual how patterns work and what .git to clone from | 12:31 |
| sledgeSim | right | 12:31 |
| sledgeSim | and how to test that you didn't blow the world up after modifying that package? ;) | 12:31 |
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| faenil | eh...that is a nice question | 12:32 |
| faenil | build the image and test as much as you can? | 12:32 |
| faenil | check journalctl for errors... | 12:32 |
| sledgeSim | that's the thing | 12:32 |
| faenil | it's not easy | 12:32 |
| sledgeSim | where is nemo-patterns deployed? | 12:32 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, I'm missing that bit | 12:32 |
| sledgeSim | do you need Sage for that? | 12:32 |
| faenil | how it goes from github to repo patterns | 12:32 |
| faenil | probabl | 12:32 |
| sledgeSim | so it looks like it's a blocky task | 12:33 |
| sledgeSim | !seen Sage | 12:33 |
| Merbot | sledgeSim: Sage was last seen in #nemomobile 2 weeks, 5 days, 1 hour, 34 minutes, and 16 seconds ago: <Sage> deztructor_: seems ok | 12:33 |
| sledgeSim | :) | 12:33 |
| faenil | eh :P | 12:34 |
| sledgeSim | pah :b | 12:34 |
| sledgeSim | TODOitem->next(); :) | 12:37 |
| sledgeSim | Morpog_ suggested to theme in glacier icons already; I can easily install all apps (even with open PRs) on VM (best if Stskeeps could also snip them onto Alcatel phone), and make a demo of current status to gain interest | 12:41 |
| sledgeSim | will be easy effort on Alcatel side, because I'll provide all repos with armv7* | 12:44 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, todoSolver segfaulted :( | 12:45 |
| sledgeSim | ahah null pointer exception :)) | 12:45 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, what is worrying about the patterns thing is the time it will take to get the Pull Request reviewed xD | 12:50 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 12:50 |
| sledgeSim | it's the same with all other PRs | 12:51 |
| sledgeSim | we should try to keep balance between productivity/chaos and progress :)) | 12:51 |
| sledgeSim | it will be a bit of all, but ain't that fun :D | 12:51 |
| faenil | :) | 12:52 |
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| faenil | sledgeSim, well, looking forward: we need qtquickcontrols packaging | 12:54 |
| faenil | and implementing of new controls needed by glacier UI | 12:54 |
| faenil | (and maybe upstream them?) | 12:54 |
| faenil | that is the next big step | 12:54 |
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| sledgeSim | packaging is there | 13:01 |
| sledgeSim | :) \o/ | 13:02 |
| sledgeSim | it just needs to be SRed by cxl000 to mer:qt:devel | 13:03 |
| faenil | ok | 13:04 |
| faenil | qwazix, Hurrian what's the current status of Glacier components work? | 13:04 |
| Hurrian | faenil, mockups only :/ | 13:04 |
| Hurrian | http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/ | 13:04 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, so, that's the main block right now ^ | 13:05 |
| faenil | Hurrian, I see, thank | 13:05 |
| faenil | thanks* | 13:05 |
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| sledgeSim | the cxl000 block? remember SRs and PRs are never a -real- block ;) lol love opensource | 13:06 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, nope, the fact that we still don't know which components we need | 13:06 |
| sledgeSim | but if one abuses that, chaos might ensue ;) | 13:06 |
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| sledgeSim | ah yes, so that's the next task ;) | 13:06 |
| sledgeSim | i think it's not up to Hurrian or qwazix to see | 13:06 |
| faenil | well, I knew qwazix was working on that | 13:06 |
| sledgeSim | is where a qml expert kicks in :) (not that those two guys aren't) | 13:07 |
| faenil | or at least was on his todo | 13:07 |
| sledgeSim | ah ok, sure then | 13:07 |
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| faenil | Hurrian, do you have any mockup for applications? | 13:07 |
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| Hurrian | faenil: only mocked up those in Grog so far. | 13:07 |
| sledgeSim | apps are here faenil http://play.qwazix.com/grog/?p=344 | 13:07 |
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| faenil | I see | 13:14 |
| faenil | basically the only thing we can do right now is QtQuickControls styling | 13:15 |
| faenil | apart from patterns for Nemo Wayland | 13:15 |
| faenil | which is top priority | 13:15 |
| sledgeSim | ok, let's try to prepare a playground sandbox for qqc theming | 13:18 |
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| sledgeSim | bare qtquickcontrols demo readying to go http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/nemo/qtquickcontrols_zps179279fb.png | 14:13 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, \o/ | 14:18 |
| faenil | I got stuck with a TV movie xD | 14:18 |
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| sledgeSim | that's a big bug one that one :D | 14:23 |
| faenil | :D | 14:24 |
| faenil | it's finished :D | 14:26 |
| sledgeSim | what movie? ;D | 14:32 |
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| faenil | it's actually not finished yet, it was just ad break :D | 14:36 |
| faenil | it's something like "The dawn of a new day" | 14:36 |
| sledgeSim | im getting this error: find: /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/qt5-qtquickcontrols-examples-5.1.0-1.4.1.i386: No such file or directory | 14:38 |
| sledgeSim | please help :) https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?file=qtquickcontrols-examples.spec&package=qtquickcontrols-examples&project=home%3Asledge%3Abranches%3Anemo%3Adevel&rev=55ac879fab960a22379d3e0d15ea6508 | 14:38 |
| sledgeSim | otherwise everything is compiled and I copied binary into VM and all worked. it's just packaging problem | 14:39 |
| sledgeSim | same .spec as for original qtquickcontrols by cxl000 | 14:39 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, I see an arch missing there | 14:42 |
| faenil | it should end in BUILDROOT/i386, iirc | 14:42 |
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| faenil | sledgeSim, can you paste the whole log? | 14:44 |
| * faenil likes new aknight's commit :D | 14:47 | |
| * faenil likes aknight's new commit, even :D | 14:48 | |
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| sledgeSim | faenil, I think im missing install rules | 14:53 |
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| sledgeSim | what's aknight commit then? :) | 14:54 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, https://github.com/nemomobile/lipstick/pull/62 | 14:54 |
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| sledgeSim | nice, I'll most wait for the day though when n9[50] will be able to do DR ;) | 14:57 |
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| faenil | :) | 15:03 |
| sledgeSim | faenil, https://pastee.org/euu68 | 15:13 |
| sledgeSim | :{ | 15:13 |
| sledgeSim | stuck | 15:13 |
| sledgeSim | i see this package name ending in i486 in places, and in others -- i386 | 15:13 |
| sledgeSim | but the package which im splitting from succeded with the same i[34]86 mixup: https://pastee.org/euun7 | 15:14 |
| faenil | I get i386 when I build locally, and i486 when I build on obs | 15:14 |
| sledgeSim | i reused its .spec as well | 15:14 |
| sledgeSim | i get same error locall and on obs, files unchanged | 15:15 |
| faenil | let me check | 15:16 |
| sledgeSim | in that other successful obs build log you can see occurrences of qt5-qtquickcontrols-5.1.0-1.1.3.i386 and qt5-qtquickcontrols-5.1.0-1.1.3.i486 | 15:16 |
| faenil | mm let me see that log as well | 15:17 |
| faenil | paths here look wron | 15:17 |
| sledgeSim | there is no occurrence of qt5-qtquickcontrols-examples-5.1.0-1.7.1.i486 (only qt5-qtquickcontrols-examples-5.1.0-1.7.1.i386) | 15:17 |
| sledgeSim | faenil, logs are both in both pastees ^ | 15:17 |
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| faenil | I see only one paste? | 15:18 |
| sledgeSim | i think it's the way files get installed | 15:18 |
| sledgeSim | 16:12 < sledgeSim> faenil, https://pastee.org/euu68 | 15:18 |
| sledgeSim | 16:14 < sledgeSim> but the package which im splitting from succeded with the same i[34]86 mixup: https://pastee.org/euun7 | 15:18 |
| faenil | oh yeah lol | 15:19 |
| sledgeSim | had hardtime finding myself, lol resorted to use /lastlog (irssi ;) | 15:19 |
| faenil | + fdupes -q -n -r /home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/qt5-qtquickcontrols-5.1.0-1.1.3.i386//usr/include | 15:21 |
| faenil | is the double slash ok? | 15:21 |
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| sledgeSim | yup, it's in the succeeded one too | 15:22 |
| faenil | yes but it returns error there as well | 15:22 |
| sledgeSim | i just think that splitting (gutting out) a qt5 sub-project from existing one is why it's failing | 15:22 |
| sledgeSim | but carries on | 15:22 |
| sledgeSim | in my case, it bombs right after from find command | 15:23 |
| faenil | ok but.. :) | 15:23 |
| sledgeSim | in find-debug info | 15:23 |
| faenil | and which folder do you have instead? | 15:23 |
| sledgeSim | when i build locally with mb the '/home/abuild/rpmbuild/BUILDROOT/qt5-qtquickcontrols-examples-5.1.0-1.7.1.i386' folder is empty | 15:24 |
| sledgeSim | maybe i need to get rid of debug info creation.. | 15:24 |
| sledgeSim | as there'd be none | 15:24 |
| faenil | :/ | 15:24 |
| faenil | brb | 15:24 |
| sledgeSim | k | 15:24 |
| sledgeSim | ok i got it | 15:26 |
| sledgeSim | it does install | 15:26 |
| sledgeSim | but i never see an install command invoked | 15:26 |
| sledgeSim | so ofc that folder is empty | 15:27 |
| faenil | back | 15:31 |
| faenil | what did you change? | 15:31 |
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| sledgeSim | nothing | 15:31 |
| sledgeSim | this qmake5_install just automagically decides what to install | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | from .pro files | 15:32 |
| faenil | yeah ofc | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | but not in my case | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | even when layout structure and contents of all .pro files is nearly the same | 15:32 |
| sledgeSim | now im looking into the "nearly" part ;) | 15:32 |
| faenil | :D | 15:33 |
| sledgeSim | generated Makefiles look different (when it comes to install rules) | 15:34 |
| sledgeSim | but they are generated from analogical .pro bits! | 15:34 |
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| sledgeSim | :{} | 15:34 |
| sledgeSim | :) | 15:34 |
| faenil | xD | 15:34 |
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| faenil | sledgeSim, why are you putting -examples in a separate package though? | 15:43 |
| faenil | also...why are you adding all files from bin directory in the %files section? | 15:46 |
| sledgeSim | found it | 15:47 |
| sledgeSim | because we will be changing examples contents | 15:47 |
| sledgeSim | like qtquick.controls into glacier.controls | 15:47 |
| faenil | but still, why not making it a subpackage of qtquickcontrols | 15:48 |
| sledgeSim | found the problem faenil | 15:48 |
| faenil | sledgeSim, I guess it was %files section | 15:48 |
| sledgeSim | because we don't want to break integrity | 15:48 |
| sledgeSim | of qtquickcontrols upstream | 15:48 |
| sledgeSim | we will also adding all non-demoed controls | 15:48 |
| sledgeSim | i will rename the package too | 15:48 |
| faenil | integrity? | 15:48 |
| sledgeSim | and no it's not in %files section ;P | 15:48 |
| sledgeSim | we should not modify qtquickcontrols | 15:49 |
| sledgeSim | it's not ours ;P | 15:49 |
| faenil | ok, but it's about packaging here... | 15:49 |
| faenil | am I not free to package it however I want? :D | 15:49 |
| sledgeSim | qtquickcontrols will be in mer:qt:devel | 15:50 |
| faenil | oh ok, so that's just a temporary name for glacier controls, ok | 15:50 |
| sledgeSim | no need to poison that with nemo glacier stuffs | 15:50 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 15:50 |
| faenil | yeah agree | 15:50 |
| sledgeSim | not controls | 15:50 |
| faenil | what was the problem? | 15:50 |
| sledgeSim | glacier gallery; ) | 15:50 |
| faenil | yea | 15:50 |
| sledgeSim | ok | 15:50 |
| sledgeSim | so | 15:50 |
| * sledgeSim pulls out couple of gray hairs | 15:50 | |
| sledgeSim | this has to be in .pro file: TARGETPATH = QtQuick/Controls | 15:51 |
| sledgeSim | if TARGETPATH is not set | 15:51 |
| sledgeSim | (like in all examples subdirs) | 15:51 |
| sledgeSim | means they are never installed anywhere :D | 15:51 |
| faenil | :) | 15:51 |
| faenil | I still find the %files section weird :P | 15:51 |
| faenil | isn't that to say which files will be uninstalled when you uninstall the app? | 15:52 |
| sledgeSim | oh that one i never thought about :P | 15:52 |
| faenil | that way you delete everything xD | 15:52 |
| sledgeSim | just had to put something in instead of qtcontrols bits and worry about it later | 15:52 |
| sledgeSim | i.e. now :) | 15:52 |
| faenil | ok xD | 15:52 |
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| special | faenil: have you tested https://github.com/special/qmlmessages/tree/qt5 by any chance? | 15:58 |
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| faenil | special, nope not yet why? | 15:59 |
| special | iirc the only reason it wasn't mergeable was removing the qmlcontacts code | 15:59 |
| faenil | special, Novomok guys said they also had their Qt5 version of qmlmessages and qmlcontacts | 15:59 |
| faenil | so I wasn't caring about those two packages | 16:00 |
| faenil | they said they'll send PR next week | 16:00 |
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| faenil | special, so I'd say it's not worth getting rid of qmlcontacts code as they ported that as well | 16:02 |
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| faenil | special, ping | 16:19 |
| special | pong | 16:19 |
| faenil | special, quick qml question: is item.contains(-100, -100) supposed to return false | 16:19 |
| faenil | ? | 16:19 |
| faenil | supposing item is just a rectangle :P | 16:20 |
| special | yes, I'd expect so | 16:20 |
| faenil | ok | 16:20 |
| special | any negative number should, because item coordinates start with 0,0 at top left | 16:20 |
| faenil | I can't get it to get to false, I move the mouse around the screen and it's still always false | 16:20 |
| faenil | special, yeah | 16:20 |
| faenil | still always true* | 16:20 |
| special | did you try item.contains(Qt.point(-100, -100))? | 16:21 |
| faenil | nope, let's see | 16:21 |
| faenil | special, that did it :) | 16:24 |
| faenil | special, I would have expected "var mappedPoint = item.mapFromItem(...); item.contains(mappedPoint)" to work correctly :( | 16:24 |
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| faenil | or even item.contains(mappedPoint.x, mappedPoint.y) | 16:25 |
| faenil | not the second maybe | 16:25 |
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| faenil | WWDrakey, do you know if qmlcontacts and qmlmessages are working already (apart from booster issues)? (cc: special ) | 16:29 |
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| faenil | bbl | 17:24 |
| sledgeSim | cyal | 17:24 |
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| loin | hi guys! | 18:08 |
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| sledgeSim | hi loin ! | 18:17 |
| loin | how's it going sledgeSim ? | 18:17 |
| sledgeSim | very good, intense awsome work :) | 18:17 |
| sledgeSim | what about you) | 18:17 |
| sledgeSim | ? | 18:17 |
| loin | not so well, my friend, not so well | 18:17 |
| loin | what intense awsome work are you talking about? | 18:17 |
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| sledgeSim | nemo transition to qt5+wayland and glacier UI | 18:18 |
| loin | is it fully functional? | 18:18 |
| sledgeSim | the transition? yes :D | 18:19 |
| sledgeSim | the nemo? no :)) | 18:19 |
| loin | why isn't the nemo working? | 18:20 |
| sledgeSim | because it is in transition | 18:20 |
| sledgeSim | nemo latest stable images and testing repository are in working state though | 18:20 |
| loin | sledgeSim, can i install it on my n9? | 18:21 |
| sledgeSim | yes, you can install old nemo on n9 | 18:21 |
| sledgeSim | old means x11/qt4 | 18:21 |
| loin | sledgeSim, is the new one faster? | 18:22 |
| sledgeSim | the new one will be better on all imaginable levels :) | 18:22 |
| sledgeSim | hardware accelerated (built-in qt5 egl rendering engine), faster apps (thanks to other qt5 goodies), faster graphics (thanks to wayland), nice UI looks (thanks to glacier UI) | 18:23 |
| sledgeSim | what are you looking for in nemo at the moment loin | 18:23 |
| sledgeSim | ? | 18:23 |
| loin | sledgeSim, i'm not sure | 18:24 |
| loin | i have a n9 which is pretty much useless to me | 18:24 |
| loin | i want to find a way to get some use out of it | 18:24 |
| sledgeSim | do you want to use n9 as a full fledged daily smartphone? | 18:24 |
| sledgeSim | or just a linux hacker's paradise? | 18:24 |
| sledgeSim | :) | 18:24 |
| loin | 2, please | 18:25 |
| loin | i won't use it as a phone, it'd love to use it as a "server" to run some java apps on it and connect from other devices | 18:25 |
| sledgeSim | nemo currently is for the 2 | 18:25 |
| sledgeSim | :) | 18:25 |
| sledgeSim | interesting | 18:25 |
| sledgeSim | well, if you will want to make receive a call to java server, you will be able to do that as well :D | 18:25 |
| sledgeSim | so you need to start from here: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Nokia_N9 | 18:26 |
| sledgeSim | grab the release image (not the snapshot) and you're good to go | 18:26 |
| loin | receive a call as in remote procedure call or in actual phone call | 18:26 |
| sledgeSim | with ther rest | 18:26 |
| sledgeSim | actual phone call :) | 18:26 |
| loin | DISCLAIMER: These instructions are provided without any warranty what so ever and will break the warranty of your device | 18:26 |
| sledgeSim | rpc are surely working if your java server supports it once deployed on n9 :D | 18:26 |
| loin | is it 100% fact that it'll void the warranty? | 18:26 |
| sledgeSim | loin, 19:24 < sledgeSim> or just a linux hacker's paradise? | 18:26 |
| sledgeSim | ;) | 18:26 |
| sledgeSim | this phrase is a brother of that disclaimer :) | 18:26 |
| loin | just asking | 18:27 |
| loin | it's not like i'll ever use my n9 again | 18:27 |
| sledgeSim | even if you completely go wrong | 18:27 |
| sledgeSim | reflashing will bring your n9 back to work | 18:27 |
| sledgeSim | i never heard anyone truly bricking it | 18:27 |
| sledgeSim | unless using another brick.. | 18:27 |
| loin | sledgeSim, n9 is n900? | 18:28 |
| sledgeSim | nope | 18:29 |
| loin | which image do i need then | 18:29 |
| loin | http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/latest/images/ | 18:29 |
| sledgeSim | n950 | 18:29 |
| loin | sledgeSim, do you own a n9? | 18:33 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 18:33 |
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| loin | sledgeSim, do you think it'll explode if i always keep it plugged in? | 18:34 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 18:34 |
| sledgeSim | (joking) | 18:34 |
| sledgeSim | just check if it gets hot after a week | 18:35 |
| loin | my nexus 7 gets hot after like 2 hours | 18:35 |
| loin | sledgeSim, the instructions are kind of vague | 18:35 |
| loin | 1. Get flasher (see N950 instructions) | 18:35 |
| loin | check | 18:35 |
| loin | 2. Get moslo | 18:36 |
| loin | assuming this is it http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/moslo.php | 18:36 |
| loin | check | 18:36 |
| loin | 3. get the kernel? where do i get the kernel from | 18:36 |
| loin | sledgeSim, is this it? nemo-armv7hl-n950-vmlinuz-2.6.32.20130129.1-n950 | 18:38 |
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| sledgeSim | wait a sec | 18:39 |
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| NeeDforKill | hey all | 18:43 |
| Stskeeps | sledgeSim: tried libhybris+nemo+wayland on panda yet? | 18:44 |
| Stskeeps | if you still have one | 18:44 |
| NeeDforKill | want ask,when avalible new nemo image? | 18:44 |
| NeeDforKill | cuz my problem,after updating from zypper,voicecalls,keyboards,msg not working | 18:45 |
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| NeeDforKill | on 0.20130620.0.1 realease | 18:45 |
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| sledgeSim | loin, choose which method you want - i tried single boot | 18:46 |
| sledgeSim | or you can install ubiboot | 18:46 |
| sledgeSim | that one guaranteed to work: http://wiki.maemo.org/Ubiboot | 18:46 |
| NeeDforKill | yeah ubiboot work 100% | 18:47 |
| NeeDforKill | sledge | 18:47 |
| sledgeSim | Stskeeps, nope, don't know wayland driver state with current port; and never touched libhybris | 18:47 |
| sledgeSim | NeeDforKill, don't update rnd:devel anymore, nemo is dragons there | 18:48 |
| sledgeSim | stay on testing. no eta for new image | 18:48 |
| NeeDforKill | rnd:devel ,cuz all apps start ot porting to qt5? | 18:49 |
| sledgeSim | there yes | 18:49 |
| Stskeeps | sledgeSim: you so should .. grab jellybean for pandaboard | 18:49 |
| NeeDforKill | who need crapdroid :D | 18:50 |
| Stskeeps | NeeDforKill: their drivers | 18:50 |
| loin | sledgeSim, i take it it's normal to bootloop with the warranty information thing ? | 18:50 |
| NeeDforKill | yeah only drivers | 18:51 |
| sledgeSim | loin, yes that will pop up | 18:51 |
| sledgeSim | Stskeeps, what about going straight for wayland driver in current port | 18:51 |
| loin | sledgeSim, its not just popping up, it's bootlooping | 18:51 |
| sledgeSim | avoid libhybris altogether | 18:51 |
| sledgeSim | loin, ? | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | sledgeSim: not really likely to happen | 18:51 |
| Stskeeps | rob clark moved to redhat | 18:51 |
| loin | sledgeSim, it just goes on and off | 18:52 |
| sledgeSim | after what? | 18:53 |
| sledgeSim | ok that is if wayland driver is no good | 18:53 |
| sledgeSim | *current | 18:53 |
| loin | sledgeSim, al@albuntu:~/mer$ sudo flasher -a /home/stuff/binary/harmattan/BACKUP/DFL61_HARMATTAN_40.2012.21-3_PR_LEGACY_006-OEM1-958_ARM.bin -k ./usr/share/moslo/zImage-moslo -f | 18:53 |
| loin | the guide says i should see You will see warning about warranty and after that green text that should say that device is repartitioning for the alternative os. | 18:54 |
| loin | but i don't get the green text | 18:54 |
| loin | i just get the bootloops | 18:54 |
| sledgeSim | loin, i recommend ubiboot tutorial | 18:58 |
| loin | sledgeSim, i did the single boot thing and i get the greentext now | 18:59 |
| sledgeSim | well there ya go :) | 18:59 |
| sledgeSim | i have single boot | 18:59 |
| sledgeSim | every time i reboot, i need a cable :) i know a nightmare, but i managed | 19:00 |
| loin | sledgeSim, that doesn't sound very nice | 19:01 |
| loin | is that what single boot is all about? | 19:01 |
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| sledgeSim | exactly | 19:03 |
| sledgeSim | non persisten single boot | 19:03 |
| sledgeSim | you can try as a dry-run | 19:03 |
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| loin | sledgeSim, so what do i do after i loaded in and stuff? | 19:05 |
| loin | sledgeSim, how do i start it | 19:05 |
| sledgeSim | it will start itself :) | 19:05 |
| loin | sledgeSim, not happening | 19:05 |
| loin | sudo tar --numeric-owner -xf nemo-handset-armv7hl-n950-*.tar.bz2 -C /media/Alt_OS/ | 19:05 |
| loin | sudo umount /media/Alt_OS | 19:06 |
| loin | thats it right? | 19:06 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 19:06 |
| loin | well, it's not happening | 19:07 |
| loin | i just get bootloops again | 19:07 |
| sledgeSim | did you have alt_os exported nice? | 19:07 |
| loin | reading from the guide | 19:08 |
| loin | Next thing is to move the rootfs to the device with Nokia N950 & Nokia N9 Rootfs Installation guide. | 19:08 |
| loin | After this is done disconnect the USB cable and press volumedown key when asked whether to boot to Alternate OS or to Harmattan. In subsequent boots, device will boot directly to Harmattan. To get Alternate OS booting you need to run the above flasher command again. | 19:08 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 19:08 |
| loin | nothing about exportin | 19:08 |
| sledgeSim | Alt_OS should appear | 19:08 |
| sledgeSim | when green screen is on | 19:08 |
| loin | i extracted everything | 19:08 |
| loin | to alt_os | 19:08 |
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| loin | sledgeSim, anything else required on my part? | 19:10 |
| sledgeSim | how long did it last? | 19:11 |
| sledgeSim | i use this command (please adjust paths): | 19:11 |
| sledgeSim | sequence is: | 19:11 |
| sledgeSim | power off n9 completely | 19:11 |
| sledgeSim | execute this command | 19:11 |
| sledgeSim | sudo modprobe -r cdc_phonet; sudo ../flasher -k usr/share/moslo/zImage-moslo -n usr/share/moslo/initrd-moslo -l -b | 19:11 |
| sledgeSim | then plug usb into your host | 19:12 |
| sledgeSim | and then plug usb into n9 | 19:12 |
| sledgeSim | will work like charm :) | 19:12 |
| loin | should i get weird colors as a bootanimation? | 19:13 |
| loin | well i did manage to get it running | 19:14 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 19:15 |
| loin | i can't say i approve the speed side of things\ | 19:15 |
| sledgeSim | halucinogenic colours is ok | 19:15 |
| sledgeSim | let it settle | 19:15 |
| sledgeSim | but app launching time is qt4 problem | 19:15 |
| sledgeSim | once it's up, it's fine | 19:15 |
| loin | strange swipe ui imitation | 19:16 |
| sledgeSim | locusf, | 19:16 |
| sledgeSim | nemo-armv7hl-n950-vmlinuz-2.6.32.20130129.1-n950 | 19:16 |
| sledgeSim | you used this? | 19:16 |
| sledgeSim | sorry i overlooked | 19:16 |
| sledgeSim | it's fine though | 19:16 |
| loin | i have to say | 19:16 |
| loin | when no apps are running | 19:16 |
| loin | this thing is quite smooth | 19:16 |
| sledgeSim | :)) | 19:16 |
| sledgeSim | well, happy testing | 19:17 |
| sledgeSim | with wayland it will be buttered (droid reference lol) | 19:17 |
| loin | how long till the wayland qt5 edition? | 19:17 |
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| loin | if the app loading wasn't so bad this'd be so awesome | 19:18 |
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| sledgeSim | it will be | 19:19 |
| sledgeSim | we already had feedback, qt5 app launch times are awesome | 19:20 |
| loin | any way i could get involved in this thing? | 19:20 |
| loin | i have no clue how wayland or qt works | 19:20 |
| loin | but i'm a very good java programmer if that makes any difference | 19:20 |
| sledgeSim | sure! | 19:23 |
| sledgeSim | first you need to warm up | 19:23 |
| sledgeSim | you can take wayland VM virtualbox image | 19:23 |
| sledgeSim | which we are working on atm | 19:23 |
| sledgeSim | and play there | 19:23 |
| locusf | sledgeSim: what? | 19:23 |
| sledgeSim | it will be lots of apps bugfixing waiting, and ui porting | 19:24 |
| locusf | sledgeSim: n9 kernel? | 19:24 |
| sledgeSim | yes | 19:24 |
| sledgeSim | another bit | 19:25 |
| sledgeSim | needs updating | 19:25 |
| sledgeSim | if you are good in porting kernels | 19:25 |
| loin | sledgeSim, sounds like a plan | 19:25 |
| locusf | hmm | 19:25 |
| locusf | I don't remember where | 19:25 |
| locusf | https://github.com/ruedigergad/nemo-n9-blobs/blob/master/zImage-kernel-moslo-n9 | 19:26 |
| locusf | thats what I'm using | 19:26 |
| locusf | the kernel in wiki results to boot loop | 19:27 |
| locusf | and I'm not much a kernel guy :/ | 19:27 |
| sledgeSim | brilliant thanks | 19:27 |
| sledgeSim | you're not the first to say that | 19:27 |
| sledgeSim | loin, which plan sounds good to you? ;) | 19:27 |
| loin | getting the vm virtualbox image and checking stuff out | 19:29 |
| loin | sledgeSim, i'm definitely interesting in seeing if i can do something of use here | 19:29 |
| loin | somerhing useful that is | 19:30 |
| loin | sledgeSim, it probably won't happen any time soon since i'm stuck with two other projects at the moment | 19:30 |
| loin | but i'm definitely interested | 19:30 |
| sledgeSim | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 19:31 |
| sledgeSim | whenever you want to start ^ | 19:31 |
| sledgeSim | ;) | 19:31 |
| loin | bookmarked | 19:31 |
| sledgeSim | im off home, ttyl! thanks a lot for showing interest! | 19:31 |
| loin | thanks for all the help sledgeSim | 19:32 |
| loin | laters | 19:32 |
| sledgeSim | :) | 19:32 |
| sledgeSim | yw | 19:32 |
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| Morpog_ | Got some views done. Not sure if it's worth doing more stuff yet. Maybe you guys can have a look. faenil sledgeSim Hurrian qwazix | 20:51 |
| Morpog_ | http://abload.de/img/browser-main-ui1ro3c.png | 20:51 |
| sledgeSim | my 2p: I like your layout/settings/tabs ideas | 20:57 |
| sledgeSim | but i prefer the look of glacier | 20:57 |
| sledgeSim | the url bar is shading transparent towards its bottom | 20:57 |
| sledgeSim | and keep arrow (back/forward/stop) buttons minimalistic so it's uniform with the rest of glacier (see its other navigation screen on apps) | 21:00 |
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| Morpog_ | sledgesim, nope, it's not getting transparent to bottom, it's totally 50% transparent in glacier UI | 21:04 |
| sledgeSim | ah ok, so that one :) | 21:05 |
| Morpog_ | I could do that easily too, there is just nothing behind it :) | 21:05 |
| sledgeSim | the webpage would be | 21:05 |
| sledgeSim | as url bar tends not to linger around there for too long | 21:05 |
| Morpog_ | that doesn't work with the idea that scrolling up/down shows and hides urlbar | 21:06 |
| sledgeSim | why not? | 21:06 |
| sledgeSim | url bar disappears soon after page is loaded. you scroll down and bar pops up | 21:06 |
| sledgeSim | like a tinted glass | 21:07 |
| sledgeSim | (pops down :)) | 21:07 |
| Morpog_ | hmm could work, but could feel weird. | 21:07 |
| Morpog_ | well, that easy to change gave me some minutes | 21:08 |
| sledgeSim | maybe weird, maybe differentiating nemo amongst others ;) | 21:08 |
| Morpog_ | sledgeSim, urlbar 59% transparent like on Hurrian mockup only looks good on black websites like he used tehre :) | 21:16 |
| Morpog_ | 50% | 21:16 |
| Morpog_ | 90% would look ok, but I still prefer plain black :) | 21:17 |
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| sledgeSim | interestong :) | 21:27 |
| sledgeSim | is because you cant see the white font ;) | 21:28 |
| sledgeSim | could be worked around with black outline around on the font | 21:28 |
| Morpog_ | believe me, it's ugly as hell :) | 21:28 |
| Morpog_ | can show you a sample | 21:28 |
| sledgeSim | i believe you :) | 21:28 |
| sledgeSim | but also interested to see | 21:28 |
| Morpog_ | will do a final pic with 50 and 90% | 21:29 |
| sledgeSim | k thank you | 21:30 |
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| Morpog_ | sledgeSim, also it's not blured behind, dunno if that could be done in realtime | 21:36 |
| sledgeSim | we'll pre-blurr it | 21:37 |
| sledgeSim | qwazix knows sometricks remember him saying you can fade blurred image over normal - realtime blurring faker ;) | 21:38 |
| special | you might be able to get reasonable performance with a decently written blurring shader. | 21:39 |
| special | especially on post-n9 hardware | 21:39 |
| sledgeSim | Morpog_, behind = wallpaper in your case? :) | 21:41 |
| sledgeSim | if so, my phrase applies | 21:41 |
| sledgeSim | if not - special's :) | 21:41 |
| Morpog_ | no, website | 21:41 |
| Morpog_ | well, i can preblur it of course, but if that will work later well I doubt :) | 21:42 |
| sledgeSim | sorry, i missed the necessity to ever blur that | 21:42 |
| Morpog_ | brrr, 50% is disgusting without blur | 21:43 |
| sledgeSim | behind url bar is blurred? | 21:43 |
| sledgeSim | ah got you | 21:43 |
| Morpog_ | uploading | 21:44 |
| sledgeSim | ta | 21:44 |
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| Morpog_ | 50% http://abload.de/img/preview-50percenthiq7k.png | 21:44 |
| Morpog_ | 90% http://abload.de/img/preview-90percentosp79.png | 21:44 |
| Morpog_ | and 100% http://abload.de/img/preview-100percentkhjpk.png | 21:50 |
| Morpog_ | Do you like the navigation buttons more now more? | 21:50 |
| NeeDforKill | looks nice | 21:52 |
| NeeDforKill | what is this? | 21:52 |
| Morpog_ | Mockup for Nemo Browser (icefox?) on Glacier UI | 21:53 |
| sledgeSim | sorry my lappy battery died :) | 21:57 |
| sledgeSim | Morpog_, I see what you mean | 21:58 |
| sledgeSim | but i meant only the url bar is transparent | 21:58 |
| sledgeSim | like in the glacier mockup | 21:58 |
| Morpog_ | well, even with that it looks ugly, doesn't it? | 21:59 |
| sledgeSim | it doesn't look like in mockup | 21:59 |
| Morpog_ | it looks fine on dark backgrounds | 21:59 |
| sledgeSim | it has opaque background where text is | 21:59 |
| sledgeSim | so i see a gray rectangle in the url bar :) | 21:59 |
| sledgeSim | cannot assess uglyness if there is one :) | 21:59 |
| Morpog_ | wait, I put same background in glacier UI, then u see :) | 22:00 |
| sledgeSim | okedoke :)) | 22:00 |
| sledgeSim | maybe 66-74% transparency could do | 22:01 |
| sledgeSim | 90 too much imho | 22:01 |
| sledgeSim | 50=ugly | 22:01 |
| Morpog_ | http://abload.de/img/unbenanntm6p8i.jpg | 22:03 |
| Morpog_ | it starts to look good around 85% | 22:04 |
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| Morpog_ | see how well it looks? :) | 22:05 |
| Morpog_ | and thats glacier with 90% http://abload.de/img/unbenannt3ej35.jpg | 22:07 |
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| sledgeSim | are you being sarcastic about 'well'? ;D | 22:09 |
| Morpog_ | nah, just showing it ;) | 22:09 |
| sledgeSim | i think it looks fine | 22:09 |
| sledgeSim | yet again im not a designer :) | 22:09 |
| Morpog_ | with 50% or with 90%? | 22:09 |
| sledgeSim | ps maemo header is dark ;) | 22:09 |
| Morpog_ | yep, imagine google :) | 22:10 |
| sledgeSim | ->90% does the trick ok | 22:10 |
| Morpog_ | I apreciate your critics | 22:11 |
| sledgeSim | cheers, you now need 2nd opinions :) | 22:11 |
| sledgeSim | we'll see when the crew ;) wakes up tomorrow | 22:12 |
| sledgeSim | thanks for your time! | 22:12 |
| Morpog_ | yeah, that overlapping menu doesn't fit I still think | 22:12 |
| sledgeSim | eager to hear from Hurrian but he's busy.. | 22:12 |
| Morpog_ | btw, is the urlbar navigation buttons better now? | 22:12 |
| sledgeSim | as he created it | 22:12 |
| sledgeSim | yes they are | 22:13 |
| sledgeSim | i'd still get rid of the gray opaque rectangle :} | 22:13 |
| sledgeSim | in http://abload.de/img/preview-90percentosp79.png | 22:13 |
| Morpog_ | which? | 22:13 |
| Morpog_ | ah, hmm, then it's plain black and flat, those rectangles are the as hurrian used for the speech bubbles | 22:15 |
| sledgeSim | yes, plain black and flat :) | 22:19 |
| sledgeSim | as ~85% of that url bar is that url text input itself | 22:19 |
| sledgeSim | bubbles need boundaries, so he rectangled those | 22:20 |
| Morpog_ | well, you need to know where to touch to enter text, or? | 22:21 |
| sledgeSim | anywhere | 22:21 |
| sledgeSim | as back/forth/stop buttons are on the outskirts | 22:21 |
| sledgeSim | so anywhere between them | 22:21 |
| Morpog_ | hmm | 22:23 |
| Morpog_ | not sure bout that | 22:23 |
| sledgeSim | please disagree :) | 22:24 |
| Morpog_ | lol | 22:24 |
| Morpog_ | a nice thing of this rectangles is that you show that they are active atm or not by highlight color | 22:24 |
| Morpog_ | editing that atm | 22:24 |
| sledgeSim | editing is shown by cursor, and if there is no hw kbd, by kbd popup | 22:25 |
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| sledgeSim | and probably initially qt will not allow a nice transparent text input box in editing mode :) so i see where you are coming from | 22:28 |
| Morpog_ | damn photoshop just crashed :( | 22:36 |
| sledgeSim | yeap, heavy beast this ui thing | 22:37 |
| Morpog_ | i love autosave feature :) | 22:37 |
| sledgeSim | :)) | 22:37 |
| sledgeSim | when it is not the cause of the crash :D | 22:38 |
| Morpog_ | lol | 22:38 |
| sledgeSim | which photoshop version are you using? | 22:38 |
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| Morpog_ | cs6 | 22:43 |
| sledgeSim | i see | 22:44 |
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| Morpog_ | btw without rectangle does look ok, but I prefer it with :) | 22:45 |
| sledgeSim | :D | 22:47 |
| sledgeSim | i believe the best argument is when you explain why you think so | 22:48 |
| Morpog_ | it doesn't feel empty :) | 22:48 |
| Morpog_ | can do 2 compare pics with final edits today, after that i get to sleep too | 22:48 |
| sledgeSim | i think best to ask creators Hurrian & qwazix, they'll explain the guidelines and evaluate our points | 22:49 |
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| sledgeSim | nite, soz im switchin off lol | 22:54 |
| Morpog_ | ok sleep well | 22:54 |
| sledgeSim | ta u2 | 22:55 |
| Morpog_ | 5 seconds, lol | 22:55 |
| Morpog_ | http://abload.de/img/preview23r0x.png | 22:56 |
| Morpog_ | http://abload.de/img/preview-withoutulqfi.png | 22:56 |
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| qwazix | Morpog_, nice work there | 23:03 |
| Morpog_ | thx | 23:03 |
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| qwazix | I prefer the pure black version | 23:03 |
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| faenil | sledgeSim, good night | 23:03 |
| qwazix | Websites are 90% of the time text, and putting text over text even with 90% transparency just harms readability | 23:04 |
| Morpog_ | and what do you think about transparency like sledgeSim wanted? | 23:04 |
| Morpog_ | ah ok :) | 23:04 |
| faenil | qwazix, hey o/ how you doing mate | 23:04 |
| Morpog_ | so the pure black was refered to the opacity | 23:04 |
| qwazix | It will rarely be beautiful (unless you're looking at a picture gallery) and there's no usability gain by reminding the user in what page he was | 23:04 |
| Morpog_ | and in the last 2 pics do you prefer a URLB bar with that rectangle or without? | 23:05 |
| qwazix | faenil, what's up! | 23:05 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, yeah that was my concern too | 23:05 |
| qwazix | faenil, I changed carrier and guess what? BB10 update :P | 23:05 |
| faenil | qwazix, ehehe :P | 23:05 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, that said, 90% looks good | 23:05 |
| Morpog_ | with rectangle http://abload.de/img/preview23r0x.png and without rectangle http://abload.de/img/preview-withoutulqfi.png | 23:06 |
| qwazix | I still prefer the black one though | 23:06 |
| Morpog_ | oh i see you still read backlog :) | 23:06 |
| qwazix | without | 23:07 |
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| qwazix | and certainly without rounder corners :P | 23:07 |
| Morpog_ | round corners? | 23:08 |
| Morpog_ | ah the round buttons? those were basically your breeze icons :) | 23:09 |
| Morpog_ | so I choose 100% black and no rectangles | 23:10 |
| qwazix | yeah, but they don't fit there | 23:10 |
| faenil | qwazix, what is the situation with qtquickcontrols styling and extra controls planning? | 23:10 |
| qwazix | we should ask Hurrian for input too | 23:10 |
| faenil | or even apps mockups | 23:10 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, sure | 23:10 |
| qwazix | faenil, I didn't do anything yet, but Morpog_ here is doing a good job | 23:10 |
| faenil | qwazix, I see, ok | 23:11 |
| qwazix | Hurrian also has cut up Glacier into pieces | 23:11 |
| faenil | qwazix, we're very close to the point where we need you graphics artists the most | 23:11 |
| qwazix | faenil, :nod: | 23:11 |
| qwazix | we have to solve some of the patterns Hurrian has not yet touched | 23:12 |
| qwazix | (like context menus) | 23:12 |
| Morpog_ | the dark harmmatan ones aren't that bad, with glacier style of course | 23:13 |
| qwazix | btw regarding blurring (I see it was discussed in the log) while I like it, however powerful chipset, is eating up processing power just when you need it most, and I'd say we should avoid it | 23:13 |
| Morpog_ | also the pure black stype saves energy on amoled displays | 23:14 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, what would you say if we put the context menus on the top of the screen? | 23:14 |
| faenil | qwazix, I see...well, we're on your back now :D | 23:14 |
| qwazix | when you long-tap, the menu as it is in harmattan appears under your thumb | 23:15 |
| qwazix | I think it would be more usable if it appeared from the top. We don't have a status menu anyway in Glacier to confuse it with | 23:15 |
| qwazix | faenil, I'll try my best | 23:16 |
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| faenil | qwazix, I'm sure you will ;) | 23:16 |
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| faenil | good night people! See you tomorrow | 23:17 |
| Morpog_ | qwazix, but then you need to stretch your thumb for top options? | 23:17 |
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| Morpog_ | night faenil | 23:18 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, hmm, there's that too, and screens are getting bigger | 23:18 |
| qwazix | night faenil | 23:18 |
| Morpog_ | well, every browser has the same problem :) | 23:18 |
| qwazix | Morpog_, BB10 has the urlbar at the bottom | 23:19 |
| qwazix | though this breaks the swipe-hide thingie | 23:19 |
| Morpog_ | hmm | 23:19 |
| qwazix | (microB too) | 23:19 |
| Morpog_ | well, hurrian has back button top left | 23:20 |
| qwazix | yeah me too | 23:20 |
| qwazix | Venemo was objecting but I can't find a better place | 23:20 |
| Morpog_ | so we can't avoid thumb strecthcing | 23:20 |
| qwazix | bottom left means we need to waste a whole toolbar just for the back button in many apps | 23:21 |
| qwazix | very apparent in harmattan | 23:21 |
| Morpog_ | thats a waste of screen space | 23:21 |
| Morpog_ | sailfishos is clever here, but has problems with large canvas apps I guess | 23:21 |
| qwazix | sailfish hasn't convinced me yet with neither pulley nor back-swiping | 23:22 |
| qwazix | both very clever ideas, but both don't work 100% | 23:22 |
| qwazix | *in 100% of cases | 23:22 |
| Morpog_ | I think it will be great for one hand use | 23:23 |
| qwazix | and inconsistency is worse than a little waste of space or a bit more clutter | 23:23 |
| Morpog_ | well, we will see if they can avoid that by clever design | 23:23 |
| qwazix | I mean imagine you're reading the 200th tweet and need to do something in the pulley | 23:24 |
| Morpog_ | hehe | 23:24 |
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| qwazix | Or that you have to show a context-menu in a grid like interface | 23:24 |
| qwazix | Or you have to swipe back while in a maps view | 23:25 |
| Morpog_ | stuff like tabs that jump you to top could work, like tweetian does | 23:25 |
| qwazix | and then you lost your position | 23:25 |
| Morpog_ | well, we will see when they release or do some preview videos in front of launch | 23:26 |
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| qwazix | yeah, | 23:27 |
| Morpog_ | we could try a top context menu | 23:28 |
| qwazix | I was thinking another solution for the big-screen devices | 23:28 |
| Morpog_ | maybe I'm gonna give it a try tomorrow | 23:28 |
| Morpog_ | middle popup menu? | 23:28 |
| qwazix | Maybe all lists could scroll down a bit more than normal, and leave some space up the top | 23:29 |
| Morpog_ | then you have to scroll also on small lists? | 23:30 |
| qwazix | I mean scroll down until the first item is in the middle of the screen, or at 1/3 | 23:30 |
| qwazix | no, the list appears as normal, but if you pull it down up to half a screen it doesn't bounce back | 23:31 |
| qwazix | so that you can click the first item easily | 23:31 |
| Morpog_ | sounds irritating to use | 23:32 |
| qwazix | think so? | 23:32 |
| Morpog_ | well, such a thing is nowhere lese used | 23:33 |
| Morpog_ | else | 23:33 |
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| qwazix | well, we should innovate shouldn't we? | 23:33 |
| Morpog_ | and wouldn't something like a 3d roll work better? | 23:33 |
| qwazix | maybe the view can click into place when it's near the edge of the screen, so that you don't have to carefully position it, and if you pull hard enough it can go anywhere you want it. BB10 for example has an option to enable pinch to zoom anywhere for accessibility reasons | 23:34 |
| qwazix | 3d roll? | 23:34 |
| Morpog_ | like a toilet paper roll | 23:35 |
| Morpog_ | where you see 3 to 4 items | 23:36 |
| qwazix | You lost me there | 23:36 |
| Morpog_ | lol | 23:36 |
| Morpog_ | and you can roll it uo and down | 23:36 |
| Morpog_ | up | 23:36 |
| qwazix | you mean to wrap around? | 23:36 |
| Morpog_ | yeah | 23:36 |
| qwazix | hmm... | 23:37 |
| qwazix | it sounds very good for non-infinite lists | 23:37 |
| qwazix | and then you could for example reach the Z contacts with just a small downward swipe | 23:38 |
| Morpog_ | a bit like hurrians date selector, just smaller | 23:38 |
| qwazix | It could work for full screen lists too, just roll indefinitely | 23:39 |
| qwazix | it allows you to bring any one item just under your thumb to click it, and allows quick access to the bottom half of the list | 23:40 |
| qwazix | (on a sidenote I strongly object to that timepicker) | 23:40 |
| Morpog_ | most used options should beplaced that you don't need to scroll the toilet roll at all | 23:41 |
| qwazix | let's invent a better name for this interaction shall we? :P | 23:41 |
| Morpog_ | It could be a running gag ,) | 23:41 |
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| qwazix | I can already imagine the qml | 23:42 |
| qwazix | ToiletRoll { id: upperFloor; used: true } | 23:43 |
| Morpog_ | every coder would have a msile in his face while doing nemo apps :) | 23:43 |
| qwazix | missile? | 23:44 |
| qwazix | :P | 23:44 |
| Morpog_ | a smile :) | 23:44 |
| Morpog_ | getting late here :) | 23:44 |
| qwazix | here too. almost 3AM | 23:45 |
| Morpog_ | context barrel sounds better | 23:45 |
| Morpog_ | or context scroll | 23:46 |
| Morpog_ | context roller | 23:46 |
| qwazix | ContentRoller | 23:47 |
| Morpog_ | sounds good too | 23:48 |
| qwazix | so that it can be used as context menu and as a full screen roller too | 23:48 |
| Morpog_ | going to bed now, falling asleep here.... | 23:48 |
| qwazix | have a nice night! | 23:48 |
| Morpog_ | same for you, thx | 23:48 |
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