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| rikanee | Venemo_N9: pong | 07:29 |
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| faenil | o/ | 09:02 |
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| sledges | \o | 09:16 |
| sledges | !seen Venemo_N9 | 09:16 |
| Merbot | sledges: Venemo_N9 was last seen in #nemomobile 14 hours, 22 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <Venemo_N9> rikanee, ping | 09:16 |
| sledges | :) | 09:16 |
| rikanee | mmm | 09:16 |
| Netweaver_ | lbt: ping | 09:17 |
| lbt | o/ | 09:19 |
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| Venemo_N9 | hey sledges what's up? | 09:45 |
| sledges | helping rikanee out ;) | 09:46 |
| faenil | see...I had to ask a neighbour to give me his wifi | 09:46 |
| faenil | :) | 09:46 |
| rikanee | ohai Venemo_N9 | 09:46 |
| faenil | morning guys | 09:46 |
| sledges | I read "wife" :DDD | 09:46 |
| faenil | lol | 09:46 |
| sledges | hi faenil | 09:46 |
| sledges | dot is a part of graphviz package | 09:47 |
| sledges | forgot to break that :) | 09:47 |
| faenil | yeah seen that | 09:47 |
| sledges | oke :) | 09:47 |
| faenil | though I was thinking I'm not sure I need that graph | 09:47 |
| faenil | it's a services graph | 09:47 |
| sledges | services dependency - shows what starts first in order to satisfy others so they can start in turn | 09:47 |
| faenil | I just need to get rid of qt4 dependent packages and replace x11 with wayland at boot | 09:47 |
| sledges | systemd is all about parallelising, so boot time [in theory] should be faster! :D | 09:47 |
| faenil | :) | 09:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello guys | 09:48 |
| sledges | have you checked this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland | 09:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges, faenil | 09:48 |
| sledges | Sfiet_Konstantin, hi Sfiet_Konstantin :) | 09:48 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, o/ | 09:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: yep, sounds promising, but do not seems to be stable yet | 09:49 |
| faenil | sledges, of course..but that's just to test it | 09:49 |
| Venemo_N9 | hey rikanee, are you Hurrian? | 09:49 |
| faenil | sledges, I'm making a wayland-only image | 09:49 |
| rikanee | Venemo_N9: in the flesh, and in disguise ;) | 09:49 |
| sledges | roger that faenil ;) good work!- | 09:49 |
| faenil | sledges, eh, thanks :P | 09:49 |
| sledges | (buon lavoro :)) | 09:49 |
| rikanee | just cross-check my twitter account with the name on the CA winners page to confirm. | 09:49 |
| sledges | rikanee, didn't manage to find you on twitter when announcing glacier to the world ;) | 09:50 |
| rikanee | sledges: set up my twitter /after/ releasing Glacier. | 09:50 |
| Venemo_N9 | rikanee, I sent you a pm | 09:50 |
| rikanee | apparently, it's a popular thing to tweet @ uni. | 09:51 |
| rikanee | sledges: @imblying | 09:51 |
| sledges | brilliant, you're on #ff tomorrow lol | 09:53 |
| sledges | so we're all ears on how glacier is doing :) | 09:53 |
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| rikanee | sledges: a bit busy with a totally BS research assignment, although I've been mocking up some of the defaults apps in my free time. | 09:53 |
| rikanee | no time to finish the rest of the row yet, but the Clock app's… clock looks like the new Clock icon ;) | 09:54 |
| sledges | smoooth ;) | 09:54 |
| faenil | we can start with QQC once I'm done with this wayland image | 09:54 |
| faenil | and once QQC are done, we can start rebuidling apps UIs | 09:54 |
| rikanee | with enough luck I'll finish mocking up Contacts, Calc, etc. on Friday. | 09:54 |
| faenil | no problems we have time | 09:55 |
| sledges | so you are now doing app-by-app basis, not tha navigation itself (i.e. new Lipstick QML home) yet | 09:55 |
| faenil | lots of time, before we get into remaking UIs :D | 09:55 |
| sledges | there's always something to be done :) but a great feeling that separate things can be done in parallel 8) | 09:55 |
| rikanee | sledges: I'd like to have all the details ironed out first before laying out the first QML ;) | 09:57 |
| faenil | sledges, is there a way to tell yaml not to install some packages? | 09:57 |
| faenil | I could start from @Nemo X86 VM | 09:57 |
| faenil | and tell it to not install some packages :D | 09:57 |
| sledges | rikanee, understood, mockup time it is then ;) | 09:58 |
| sledges | @... is pattern | 09:59 |
| faenil | yes | 09:59 |
| sledges | .yaml is top-level package instructions | 09:59 |
| * sledges confused :} | 09:59 | |
| faenil | sledges, I need most of the packages from @Nemo X86 VM | 09:59 |
| faenil | but not all...I need to replace some.. | 09:59 |
| faenil | but I can't modify the pattern... | 09:59 |
| faenil | the alternative is to get rid of @ | 10:00 |
| sledges | ah, well quick and dirty is to replace them brutally | 10:00 |
| faenil | and write all the 500+ packages in the yaml | 10:00 |
| sledges | yup :) | 10:00 |
| faenil | eh lol :D | 10:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 10:00 |
| sledges | oh no 500+ :D | 10:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: | 10:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | use -package | 10:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | to remove one package | 10:00 |
| sledges | yes, about to say that :D | 10:00 |
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| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, love you, that's what I meant ;P | 10:00 |
| sledges | (though has nothing to do with yaml :) | 10:00 |
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| faenil | isn't it in the yaml file? | 10:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ks maybe ? | 10:00 |
| sledges | is in .ks | 10:00 |
| faenil | ohhhh sorry, yeah I've been thinking ks and saying yaml XD | 10:01 |
| sledges | xD | 10:01 |
| faenil | sorry guys :D | 10:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | we understand what you mean :) | 10:01 |
| faenil | :) | 10:01 |
| faenil | you should see me, I'm in a public park, on a bench, making wayland images, lol | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | i've solved toolchain issues on a n810 at a music festival | 10:02 |
| faenil | the only place I could find where there was a "neighbour" gently giving me his wifi :D | 10:02 |
| * faenil highfives Stskeeps | 10:02 | |
| iekku | faenil, is there night weather? | 10:02 |
| iekku | Stskeeps, roskilde? | 10:02 |
| faenil | iekku, what do you mean? | 10:02 |
| iekku | night? | 10:02 |
| iekku | good... | 10:02 |
| * iekku needs 10l of coffee | 10:02 | |
| faenil | I'm not in Japan, it's noon here :D | 10:02 |
| rikanee | P.S.: it seems power management on the N9/50 under Nemo isn't as bad a situation as the one on N900. | 10:02 |
| * faenil takes martini from Stskeeps and gives it iekku | 10:03 | |
| faenil | rikanee, really? good :D | 10:03 |
| rikanee | so given that some rough edges be ironed out (and Glacier hides the HW adaptation's rough edges), it should be okay as a daily driver. | 10:03 |
| faenil | rikanee, not too fast :D | 10:03 |
| iekku | faenil, what? you want me to fall asleep? | 10:03 |
| faenil | iekku, yeah :) | 10:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | glacier is not here yet | 10:04 |
| rikanee | faenil: baby steps ;) | 10:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | would love to have moaaar design rules from the designers before hacking | 10:04 |
| faenil | yeah | 10:04 |
| faenil | actually my opinions is I'd like to some revolution around nemo | 10:04 |
| faenil | not just new UI, but new paradigms | 10:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: like ? | 10:04 |
| faenil | I mean, Nemo is our playfield, we should be experimenting | 10:05 |
| faenil | not just trying to reproduce an OS which is similar to other :D | 10:05 |
| faenil | I don't know....just change everything | 10:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: I would say: experiment, given the ui design language we have | 10:05 |
| faenil | innovate on the UI...it's not easy | 10:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't want to have something like a total mess (like the current nemo) | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | start out with components set and a components gallery | 10:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or have two ui branches | 10:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: yep, a component gallery is nice | 10:06 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, start with wayland image xD | 10:06 |
| rikanee | faenil: re innovation: I'm just mixing it together, really. | 10:06 |
| faenil | rikanee, yeah no offence meant... | 10:06 |
| rikanee | and hmm, yeah, a Glacier Qt Components app would be nice | 10:06 |
| faenil | getting rid of those awful Qt Components would already be great | 10:06 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: they are not aweful | 10:07 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, they make me vomit! XD | 10:07 |
| rikanee | they're… a bit dated, but they work. | 10:07 |
| faenil | I hate them, with all my heart | 10:07 |
| xavinux | Hi people :) | 10:07 |
| rikanee | some of the images are lazy, though. | 10:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello | 10:07 |
| faenil | yeah I'm not talking about features | 10:07 |
| faenil | I'm talking about the graphics styling | 10:07 |
| rikanee | one of them has a flipped backwards arrow. | 10:07 |
| rikanee | :/ | 10:07 |
| faenil | it's......awwwwfuuuul | 10:07 |
| faenil | xavinux, o/ | 10:07 |
| xavinux | faenil: hi :) | 10:08 |
| rikanee | isn't it a carry-over from the MeeGo days, with some images altered to match Blanco? | 10:08 |
| faenil | alright I'll shut up and get back to my job so we can start building QtQuickControls asap | 10:08 |
| faenil | rikanee, yes | 10:08 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: if you can share the ks when ready, I would be super happy :) | 10:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or even better: wiki page | 10:08 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, of course, wiki page is a must | 10:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 10:10 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, I've been having real connection issues at home | 10:11 |
| faenil | so I have lots of spare time these days | 10:11 |
| faenil | but I'm blocked by that at times | 10:11 |
| faenil | keeps disconnecting every 30secs | 10:11 |
| faenil | that's why I'm in the park right now :D | 10:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 10:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, you profit from both the weather and free time | 10:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so :) | 10:12 |
| faenil | strange that zypper doesn't have a reverse dependencies checker | 10:12 |
| faenil | I'm sure it uses it for "removing" stuff | 10:13 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, yeah :D | 10:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: it do not | 10:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not like apt | 10:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it leaves useless libs in the system | 10:13 |
| faenil | well, it needs to know which packages depend on the one you're removing | 10:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: yeah, it removes dependencies on the package you are removing | 10:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but no "orphans" packages | 10:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that have been installed when you insalled something | 10:14 |
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| faenil | ok | 10:15 |
| faenil | no problem though, I just need to get rid of qt4 and all the stuff that uses it | 10:15 |
| faenil | I'll make do with the "remove" list... | 10:15 |
| w00t__ | zypper rm libqt4core | 10:15 |
| faenil | w00t__, yeah that's what I meant | 10:17 |
| faenil | w00t__, but since I have to replace all that stuff with qt5 alternatives...I wanted a nice list of stuff depending on qt4 | 10:17 |
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| faenil | I made a bash script myself just in case, but I was just saying it's strange zypper doesn't have that feature, since it needs it for removing | 10:18 |
| faenil | packages depending on the one you're removing | 10:18 |
| sledges | faenil, remove package, and zypper will suggest removing all the rest. just press N if you want a dry-run | 10:19 |
| faenil | again, that's what I'm doing :P | 10:19 |
| faenil | but...it would be more useful for zypper to have a command which would return all the packages which it tells you about when removing | 10:19 |
| faenil | not only when actually removing something :P | 10:19 |
| sledges | a feature in itself, if more informative things exist, they might spit some graphs again :D | 10:20 |
| faenil | graph would be ok | 10:20 |
| faenil | I'll just copy and tr :D | 10:22 |
| sledges | hm here it says IN PROGRESS (under 'aka show dependencies'): https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman_Rosetta | 10:24 |
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| faenil | ehehe : | 10:28 |
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| faenil | does anyone happen to have a list of qt4 -> qt5 packages? | 10:36 |
| faenil | like the list of qt5 alternatives to qt4 middleware | 10:36 |
| veskuh | faenil, mer-wiki? | 10:49 |
| veskuh | faenil, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Qt5Porting | 10:50 |
| faenil | veskuh, is that updated? also, it doesn't have qt5 names | 10:51 |
| veskuh | faenil, -qt5 in case the same package. | 10:51 |
| veskuh | faenil, not really updated lately, but still I think the only thing that exists | 10:52 |
| faenil | maybe I should keep using OBS searches then ;:) | 10:52 |
| faenil | veskuh, thanks ;) do you know if there's any new nemo snapshot coming? | 10:53 |
| veskuh | faenil, don't know.. Sage ^ | 10:53 |
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| sledges | https://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/status/357821797040787456 | 11:36 |
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| xavinux | great news! :)) | 12:14 |
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| faenil | o/ | 12:34 |
| faenil | back | 12:34 |
| sledges | faenil, have you read https://twitter.com/jukkaeklund/status/357821797040787456 | 12:35 |
| faenil | just back from lunch | 12:35 |
| faenil | let's see | 12:35 |
| * faenil shuts and opens TMO link | 12:35 | |
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| faenil | sledges, pretty much known stuff :) | 12:37 |
| sledges | ok then, follow-up here: http://www.merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/%23sailfishos.2013-07-18.log | 12:37 |
| sledges | :) | 12:37 |
| * faenil clicks | 12:38 | |
| dm8tbr | hmm is the bot not producing html output for this channel? | 12:39 |
| dm8tbr | need to fix that once I have again access to that box | 12:40 |
| sledges | dm8tbr, my thoughts 5min ago :D | 12:41 |
| * dm8tbr patpats Merbot | 12:41 | |
| faenil | alright, I'm updated :) | 12:43 |
| sledges | :) perfetto | 12:43 |
| faenil | actually I think we'll get our "chance" before the phone is out | 12:43 |
| faenil | that's what I got from the Jolla events I've attended ;9 | 12:44 |
| faenil | ;) | 12:44 |
| sledges | ;?) | 12:44 |
| sledges | good vibes? :) | 12:44 |
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| faenil | sledges, yeah | 12:47 |
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| faenil | sledges, do you know where contextkit is? can't find it on OBS | 12:56 |
| faenil | only plugins | 12:56 |
| w00t__ | mer, and it has no port - the supposed replacement is statefs | 12:57 |
| faenil | w00t__, yeah it's mer...so? nothing on OBS? :D | 12:57 |
| faenil | w00t__, thanks for saving my time though :P | 12:58 |
| faenil | doesn't Mer use the same OBS for building stuff? | 12:58 |
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| faenil | alright I'll skip contextkit for now and wait for someone to be active on the channel | 13:01 |
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| sledges | faenil, no mer has its own | 13:05 |
| faenil | ok thanks | 13:06 |
| sledges | faenil, http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/contextkit.git;a=summary | 13:07 |
| sledges | all content then goes into their obs after | 13:08 |
| faenil | yeah I knew about the different git | 13:08 |
| faenil | but what about the obs | 13:08 |
| sledges | what would you like to see/do in obs what you cannot see in this git tree? | 13:08 |
| sledges | just out of curiosity :) | 13:08 |
| sledges | I don't think I ever had a need to go into the actual mer obs | 13:09 |
| faenil | slaine, understand the world around me :P | 13:11 |
| slaine | sigh, again, seriously | 13:12 |
| slaine | ;) | 13:12 |
| faenil | nothing was just wondering | 13:12 |
| faenil | it's strange that mer obs is not open :/ | 13:13 |
| sledges | it might be open | 13:13 |
| sledges | sorry slaine for nick similarities :)) it just stems from my initials so :) | 13:13 |
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| slaine | your just so damn popular and tab completion is damn easy | 13:14 |
| slaine | s/your/you're/ | 13:14 |
| w00t__ | the tooling works in different ways due to hysterical raising | 13:15 |
| sledges | i just got lots of free time on my hands and general verbal diarrhea :D | 13:15 |
| w00t__ | raisins | 13:15 |
| w00t__ | in the future it probably will end up all in one OBS, over time | 13:15 |
| faenil | slaine, holy crap I didn't even notice...sorry man :D | 13:15 |
| faenil | w00t__, ok ;) | 13:16 |
| faenil | w00t__, what should I do with contextkit for now? | 13:18 |
| Stskeeps | it should be available from nemor epos | 13:18 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, so get rid of it for now? | 13:19 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, it IS avaiable, but it depends on Qt4 | 13:19 |
| faenil | (actually it's only available from Mer repo, but anyway, hope you understood my question :D) | 13:20 |
| w00t__ | faenil: let me know once you figure that out, basically | 13:20 |
| sledges | i bet some important packages depend on contextkit | 13:20 |
| faenil | w00t__, being ironic? :D | 13:20 |
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| faenil | sledges, I bet as well...but since I'm getting rid of qt4 and dependent packages, the problem is very real :D | 13:21 |
| faenil | sledges, basically all qmlapps + lipstick depend on it :D | 13:23 |
| sledges | :D | 13:25 |
| faenil | great | 13:26 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, about libgif, it seems there's an option to compile it without X11 support, because it seems it's only needed to take gif snapshots of the screen... | 13:28 |
| faenil | or is it already available strapped out of X11? | 13:28 |
| faenil | stripped* | 13:28 |
| Stskeeps | .. what are you doing? | 13:30 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, getting rid of Qt4 and package which depend on it | 13:30 |
| faenil | packages* | 13:31 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, libgif doesn't depend on Qt4, it was just a question... | 13:35 |
| faenil | something I noticed yesterday when tracking x11 dependent pacakges | 13:35 |
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| faenil | w00t__, any advice about packagekit? | 14:05 |
| faenil | (qt4 vs qt5) | 14:05 |
| w00t__ | there's an upstream port, upstream is also a lot newer, but it involves API changes | 14:06 |
| w00t__ | so someone would need to port packages | 14:06 |
| faenil | w00t__, I see...so I guess I have to leave the qt4 one atm | 14:07 |
| w00t__ | Aard: did the new packagekit end up in nemo at all? guess that'd be a first step at fixing that | 14:07 |
| faenil | nemo has 0.6.2.2 | 14:08 |
| Aard | w00t__: no, didn't put it there as the ancient packagemanager in nemo only works with the old qt api | 14:08 |
| Aard | if somebody starts working on a new packagemanager I can put it there | 14:09 |
| w00t__ | well if the failures aren't too terrifying then i'm sure faenil can take a crack at fixing it | 14:09 |
| faenil | Aard, none uses the package manager on Nemo...I guess it wouldn't be a big waste | 14:09 |
| faenil | w00t__, you mean updating the package manager to use the new Api? | 14:10 |
| Aard | w00t__: I just saw that they changed the api, talked to sage, and we decided not to do it. if I can break it now I can probably find the time tomorrow to move packagekit to gitpkg and update it in nemo | 14:10 |
| faenil | Aard, I've never heard anyone using the package manager so far...I'm sure none would complain if it stayed broken for one day :D | 14:11 |
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| faenil | QCA also seems to need porting | 14:15 |
| rcg | faenil, qca? | 14:17 |
| rcg | you mean qt crypot architecture? | 14:17 |
| faenil | Qt Crypto Arch | 14:17 |
| rcg | it's in mer | 14:17 |
| rcg | qca2 | 14:17 |
| rcg | incl. qca-ossl | 14:17 |
| faenil | qca-2.0 you mean? | 14:18 |
| faenil | or qca2? | 14:18 |
| rcg | dunno the exact package name anymore | 14:18 |
| rcg | but it's in mer | 14:18 |
| faenil | rcg, no QCA here http://releases.merproject.org/releases/latest/builds/i486/packages/i486/ | 14:20 |
| rcg | https://build.merproject.org/package/files?package=qca&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw | 14:20 |
| rcg | actually, it's in nemo:mw | 14:20 |
| faenil | yeah there's one in nemo | 14:20 |
| faenil | rcg, as you see, that's Qt4 | 14:20 |
| faenil | :) | 14:20 |
| faenil | I need a Qt5 qca | 14:20 |
| rcg | ah, alright, now i see :) | 14:21 |
| faenil | w00t__, Qt5 qca? (sorry for bothering, tell me if you're damn busy won't ping anymore) | 14:21 |
| rcg | having qca for qt5 would be pretty handy :) | 14:22 |
| rcg | is there actually much of a difference qca-wise? | 14:22 |
| faenil | no idea | 14:22 |
| w00t__ | what is it usef for? | 14:25 |
| w00t__ | used | 14:25 |
| rcg | w00t__, provides crypto support in a convenient way | 14:25 |
| w00t__ | i mean what packages use it atm | 14:26 |
| rcg | meepasswords, e.g. | 14:26 |
| rcg | dunno about others | 14:26 |
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| Sage | Aard: I guess you mean tar_git :) | 14:31 |
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| faenil | w00t__, alright, I'll get rid of it :D | 14:31 |
| Aard | Sage: I don't care how it's called :p | 14:32 |
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| faenil | does anyone know current status of "tracker" qt5 port? | 14:35 |
| faenil | it's in "currently being ported" on the wiki | 14:35 |
| faenil | but I can't find any proof :D | 14:35 |
| faenil | oh sorry misread, NOT currently being ported the wiki sayd :D | 14:36 |
| faenil | wow | 14:40 |
| faenil | finished scanning qt4 packages :P | 14:40 |
| faenil | time to write a wiki and ask help :D | 14:40 |
| Aard | faenil: for tracker we just finished moving commhistory to sqlite storage -> we should now finally be able to drop all the maemo-specific crap, and if after that everything still works look into qt5 port | 14:44 |
| faenil | alright...so you keep tracker at the moment | 14:44 |
| faenil | I've seen commhistory changes | 14:45 |
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| Aard | tumbler would probably currently be the next important one | 14:45 |
| Aard | just noticed that quill is ported, so that sohuld be easy | 14:46 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, it seems there's a lot of Qt4 stuff still...should I leave Qt4 and relevant non-ported packages? | 14:48 |
| faenil | Aard, I see, thanks :) | 14:48 |
| faenil | Aard, I'm trying to make this Qt4 free + Wayland i486 image... | 14:48 |
| Aard | faenil: iirc there should be mostly 3 areas left: tracker, tumbler, and contextkit-plugins loaded via stetefs | 14:49 |
| faenil | yeah, agree...those are the biggest obstacles I found... | 14:50 |
| faenil | actually didn't find anything about tumbler | 14:50 |
| faenil | is it part of nemo? | 14:50 |
| faenil | it's in the repo but it's not installed by default in nemo | 14:50 |
| Aard | it's currently only required by the mtp-stack, which iirc is not installed per default in nemo images | 14:52 |
| sledges | someone once suggested me to move away from using tumbler and use nemo-qml-plugins instead | 14:52 |
| sledges | if i need to generate a thumbnail | 14:52 |
| Aard | there are situations (like mtp) where you need to be able to do thumbnails in the c++ part of your code. nemo-qml-plugins does not provide that | 14:53 |
| faenil | Aard, actually it does, at least that's what we use in qmlgallery | 14:57 |
| w00t__ | _from C++_ | 14:57 |
| faenil | right, that's only exposed to QML... | 14:57 |
| w00t__ | yeah :p | 14:58 |
| faenil | .D | 14:58 |
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| Aard | w00t__: when did that happen? last time you told me that it can't be done :p | 15:00 |
| faenil | Aard, you can ask for thumbnails from QML, not from C++ :) | 15:01 |
| Aard | ah, so my statement was true :) | 15:01 |
| faenil | yeah :P | 15:01 |
| Aard | don't confuse me :) | 15:02 |
| faenil | ahahah sorry :) | 15:02 |
| faenil | how can I create a page in Nemo wiki? | 15:02 |
| w00t__ | it is possible, but hasn't been done yet | 15:02 |
| w00t__ | faenil: log in to the wiki and create one | 15:02 |
| faenil | w00t__, eh.... :P | 15:02 |
| w00t__ | I don't follow :P | 15:02 |
| faenil | guess what, I've been looking for 5 minutes for freaking CREATE NEW button XD | 15:03 |
| faenil | :D | 15:03 |
| faenil | I've always modified, never created one from scratch, and there's no "new" button here, or something like that :/ | 15:03 |
| faenil | w00t__, am I blind, or do I need special permissions or something? | 15:05 |
| w00t__ | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Foo | 15:05 |
| faenil | w00t__, so you just create a page by visiting a random Url? :D | 15:05 |
| w00t__ | yes | 15:07 |
| faenil | great | 15:07 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 15:07 |
| faenil | if anyone has 2 minutes time, I'd appreciate any input on that, thanks! | 15:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: I guess that tracker stays as tracker | 15:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it do not depends on Qt | 15:13 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, yes it does, it depends on QtGui | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Oo | 15:14 |
| faenil | the packages on that page all depend on Qt4 | 15:14 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, don't ask me why, I trust LDD and zypper :D | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | isn't tracker supposed to be https://wiki.gnome.org/Tracker | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | a _gnome_ project thing ? | 15:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and we know that gnome _hates_ qt related things | 15:15 |
| faenil | oh it also depends on QtCore | 15:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Oo | 15:16 |
| Aard | just ignore tracker until we dropped the maemo-bits | 15:17 |
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| faenil | Aard, alright I'll leave Qt4 and tracker in then | 15:18 |
| faenil | Aard, what about contextkit/statefs? | 15:18 |
| Aard | faenil: stays for now, we'll slowly replace the contextkit providers by native statefs plugins. new software should use statefs (and can subscribe to whatever contextkit plugins provide through statefs as well) | 15:19 |
| faenil | ok | 15:20 |
| Aard | so aim in first step should be an image where the only qt4-bits are related to contextkit providers | 15:20 |
| faenil | and tracker | 15:20 |
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| faenil | Aard, could you give a look at the page and fix/complete the missing points? should only take 2-3minutes <3 | 15:22 |
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| faenil | Aard, I'll take that as a no, lol XD | 15:50 |
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| sledges | what are the chances with wayland and n900 btw ?.. | 16:09 |
| faenil | ouch :D | 16:09 |
| xavinux | faemil: how I can help you? | 16:11 |
| faenil | xavinux, hey :) | 16:11 |
| xavinux | :) | 16:12 |
| faenil | see if you know the answers to the ??? I put on the wiki page ,) | 16:12 |
| faenil | or, if you know something about Nemo's boot process, teach me :) | 16:15 |
| xavinux | will se them... | 16:16 |
| xavinux | *see | 16:16 |
| xavinux | to start taking a look at systemd http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/07/systemd-and-services-managing-in-nemo.html | 16:20 |
| faenil | alright thanks | 16:21 |
| dm8tbr | sledges: well in theory there is a working android driver for that silicon revision | 16:21 |
| * dm8tbr knows because he used it in the openAOS project | 16:22 | |
| Venemo_N9 | in theory | 16:22 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9, I can't believe that now that we both have spare time, you don't have a pc ...crap :P | 16:23 |
| dm8tbr | well, the driver is known working. It would need someone to sit down and make it work | 16:23 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, Yeah, crap... | 16:24 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, btw, are you coming to SmartDevCon? | 16:24 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9, long story short, no, most likely | 16:25 |
| Venemo_N9 | aww :( | 16:25 |
| Venemo_N9 | what's the excuse? | 16:25 |
| faenil | got more of them, but I think this is no place for them ;) | 16:27 |
| faenil | many* | 16:27 |
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| Venemo_N9 | ok | 16:28 |
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| MSameer | faenil: great work on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Wayland_Nemo_VM_Image | 16:31 |
| faenil | MSameer, thanks man :) | 16:32 |
| MSameer | faenil: however, I feel that email should have been sent to nemo/mer mailing lists too | 16:32 |
| sledges | it has ;) | 16:32 |
| MSameer | has it? | 16:32 |
| MSameer | I missed it then | 16:32 |
| sledges | yup | 16:32 |
| sledges | well done faenil :) | 16:32 |
| * MSameer blushes | 16:32 | |
| MSameer | oh yeah found it | 16:32 |
| * MSameer slaps himself | 16:32 | |
| * sledges takes the large trout back | 16:33 | |
| faenil | ahaha | 16:33 |
| faenil | MSameer, sledges forced me to | 16:33 |
| faenil | :P | 16:33 |
| MSameer | sledges: don't take it. I can grill it for food :D | 16:33 |
| sledges | lol, I'm proud of that, faenil just revealed his talent of pushing through important information in an informal way - a powerful marketing weapon :) | 16:33 |
| MSameer | faenil: well, I guess the main blocker is the black screen with vkb | 16:34 |
| faenil | sledges, oh did I? XD cool | 16:34 |
| MSameer | i tried to see what can be done and miserably failed | 16:34 |
| * MSameer tickles faenil | 16:34 | |
| faenil | MSameer, I don't even know what you're talking about, I've never used the VM before this moment :D | 16:35 |
| faenil | I heard that there were many black screen issues though | 16:35 |
| MSameer | faenil: I am just jumping to N9 images but maybe I should not | 16:35 |
| sledges | just avoid testing vkb while still on vm images | 16:35 |
| MSameer | re tracker: what qt5 port do we need? | 16:36 |
| faenil | isn't there the chance that it will work once we're done with the wayland image? | 16:36 |
| MSameer | I can help with that I guess. I am not a tracker guy but I did a few patches | 16:36 |
| MSameer | faenil: no :P | 16:36 |
| faenil | MSameer, oww :( | 16:36 |
| * faenil is now a sad panda | 16:36 | |
| MSameer | faenil: maybe w00t__ can shed some light on the vkb/black screen issues | 16:37 |
| faenil | I don't know what happened to those guys, they've been quite quiet since I've been back (which is 2 days) | 16:37 |
| faenil | I think Stskeeps really handcuffed them to the desks | 16:38 |
| MSameer | faenil: you said it, busy with sailfish :| | 16:38 |
| faenil | yeah I know...sad for nemo community, but true | 16:38 |
| faenil | I don't know whom to ask questions when I need help :D | 16:39 |
| sledges | https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347 | 16:39 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 347 in x86-generic "Screen is black when VKB is open in VirtualBox" [Critical,New] | 16:39 |
| sledges | worthy comments by Carsten | 16:39 |
| MSameer | faenil: it's not that sad because most of the qt5 done for sailfish is also for nemo | 16:40 |
| MSameer | but let's not get into that ;) | 16:41 |
| MSameer | i will go grill sledges' trout for food :D | 16:41 |
| MSameer | brb | 16:41 |
| faenil | MSameer, yeah sure | 16:42 |
| faenil | lol | 16:42 |
| * sledges ' pet trout.... :'( | 16:42 | |
| sledges | anyway, still got another 199 in the pond | 16:42 |
| faenil | lol | 16:43 |
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| cybette | mmm trout | 16:51 |
| cybette | faenil: great call-to-action email :) | 16:51 |
| faenil | cybette, o/ | 16:51 |
| faenil | thanks :) | 16:51 |
| faenil | I suck at writing, but this had to be done | 16:52 |
| faenil | xD | 16:52 |
| sledges | you don't suck at underestimating yourself :)) | 16:52 |
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| cybette | faenil: you did great. reading it, i am so eager to join (except i don't have enough experience in nemo) | 16:54 |
| cybette | so all i could do for now is help you retweet :P | 16:54 |
| faenil | cybette, oh cool, thanks for the feedback :D | 16:54 |
| faenil | cybette, not even the time I guess :P | 16:54 |
| faenil | looking at all the jollaians in here :D | 16:54 |
| cybette | yeah time is another factor | 16:55 |
| faenil | sledges, :) | 16:57 |
| cybette | personally i hoped to have at least one app ready when the phone starts to ship but so many other "higher priority" things screaming at me | 16:58 |
| cybette | maybe i'll go for something straightforward like a fart app | 16:58 |
| sledges | cybette :D | 16:58 |
| fk_lx | cybette: not only you lack of time | 17:00 |
| faenil | cybette, ahaha | 17:01 |
| faenil | xavinux, read the guide | 17:02 |
| faenil | but I still don't have a clue about how that fits into Nemo :) | 17:02 |
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| sledges | bunch of .services files get launched in parallel where possible | 17:10 |
| faenil | sledges, great summary, is there a place where I can look for those files? | 17:11 |
| faenil | how are they handled? | 17:11 |
| sledges | one seed file, all starts from there | 17:11 |
| sledges | /lib/systemd/system/ | 17:11 |
| sledges | the .target files are a bit blurry to me though, but they also play big part in the boot process | 17:12 |
| sledges | afterwards when user-session@100000.service is launched, it executes further .service files from /usr/lib/systemd/user/ | 17:12 |
| faenil | sledges, only a few .wants files in there | 17:12 |
| sledges | I have 166 files in there, most of them .service, .wants files are directories btw | 17:15 |
| sledges | that quite old nemo though | 17:15 |
| sledges | recently we had an overhaul, but I expect lots of files to be there still | 17:15 |
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| sledges | do a `find / -name "*.service" -type f` to see where they're at | 17:16 |
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| faenil | let's watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyMLi8QF6sw | 17:18 |
| faenil | :D | 17:18 |
| sledges | lol nice | 17:19 |
| * sledges home time; cyas! | 17:19 | |
| faenil | sledges, I was looking at /etc/systemd ;) | 17:19 |
| sledges | eh! :)) | 17:20 |
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| MSameer | faenil: so the question is: How can one help? | 17:27 |
| faenil | MSameer, I think I wrote something in the email :) | 17:27 |
| faenil | we have to replace x11 compositor and qt4 services with qt5 and qml wayland compositor (which is in lipstick-qt5) | 17:28 |
| MSameer | faenil: there is a compositor already for wayland | 17:29 |
| faenil | and get rid of qt4 depdendent packages and replace them with their qt5 ports | 17:29 |
| MSameer | AFAICT | 17:29 |
| faenil | MSameer, in fact I said it's in lipstick-qt5 :D | 17:29 |
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| MSameer | so what is the problem then ? | 17:30 |
| faenil | make it :) | 17:30 |
| MSameer | how? | 17:30 |
| faenil | I spent the day researching qt4 dependent packages and looking for their ports/alternatives | 17:30 |
| faenil | now first I need to see if replacing those packages the image gets actually built | 17:30 |
| MSameer | i am not a hardcore nemo/mer contributor. I just do fixes every now and then | 17:30 |
| faenil | and second, I don't know almost anything about systemd | 17:30 |
| faenil | MSameer, I've been away since January, I only contribute like 2 weeks every 4-5 months | 17:31 |
| faenil | because of university | 17:31 |
| faenil | so we're on the same boat :) | 17:31 |
| faenil | but we really don't have to do much, it's just about having people who know how to do it | 17:31 |
| MSameer | so one needs to get the i486 image and start replacing stuff | 17:31 |
| faenil | I don't know systemd (I'm watching this to try fix that https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TyMLi8QF6sw) so I don't know how I can replace the x11 compositor with qmlcompositor at boot | 17:32 |
| faenil | and all the other qt4 services | 17:32 |
| MSameer | that is not that hard | 17:32 |
| faenil | it's not, it just needs someone who knows how the boot proces works in current Nemo :) | 17:33 |
| faenil | told you, it's all simple stuff, but needs specific knowledge | 17:33 |
| faenil | :) | 17:33 |
| MSameer | my issue is all phones I connect to my laptop insist on using the same ip 192.168.2.15 | 17:33 |
| MSameer | so I can only connect 1 phone at a time :( | 17:33 |
| faenil | Nemo doesn't have dhcp...so it's actually you giving them the same IP :D | 17:33 |
| faenil | just change that :P | 17:33 |
| faenil | anyway, I don't see how that relates to our matter ^^ | 17:34 |
| faenil | :) | 17:34 |
| MSameer | let me see | 17:34 |
| * MSameer boots his nemo N9 | 17:34 | |
| MSameer | it's for me as now I have m harmattan phone and too lazy to replace it :p | 17:34 |
| MSameer | bah, I will | 17:35 |
| faenil | you don't need a phone for this thing | 17:35 |
| faenil | it's all on VM :) | 17:35 |
| MSameer | faenil: xorg-launch-helper-3-1.1.6.armv7hl | 17:36 |
| MSameer | faenil: that installs xorg.service in /usr/lib/systemd/user | 17:36 |
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| faenil | ok, that's one thing | 17:37 |
| MSameer | ExecStart=/usr/bin/xorg-launch-helper $OPTIONS | 17:37 |
| MSameer | so we kill tha package and bring on another package | 17:37 |
| faenil | are you sure that's enough? | 17:37 |
| MSameer | that "other" package should launch wayland | 17:37 |
| MSameer | faenil: of course I am not sure :D | 17:38 |
| faenil | I know that when you stop user-session@100000.service it kills X, for example | 17:38 |
| MSameer | but who is sure about everything? :p | 17:38 |
| MSameer | faenil: yes because that is a user service | 17:38 |
| MSameer | or i think so | 17:38 |
| faenil | :) | 17:39 |
| faenil | I'm trying to get a bigger picture of how the boot process works | 17:40 |
| faenil | so that I can act afterwards | 17:40 |
| MSameer | mmm | 17:41 |
| faenil | also how do we track and replace the .service files for qt4 services? | 17:44 |
| faenil | read through all the service files? | 17:44 |
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| faenil | what about the .wants, .targets files? | 17:44 |
| MSameer | faenil: my understanding is /lib/systemd/system/default.target dictates the default systemd target | 17:46 |
| faenil | what is a systemd target, first of all | 17:46 |
| MSameer | /lib/systemd/system/default.target -> graphical.target | 17:46 |
| MSameer | not sure how to explain that | 17:46 |
| faenil | eh :) that's my problem, I'm trying to fix that first | 17:47 |
| MSameer | a target is a "state" systemd should reach ? | 17:47 |
| faenil | I need to understand systemd basis first | 17:47 |
| faenil | oh ok | 17:47 |
| MSameer | faenil: are you familiar with linux runlevels? | 17:47 |
| MSameer | I would say it's a runlevel for the sake of simplicity | 17:47 |
| Morpog_PC | Akademy videos are uploaded! Mer http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/David_Greaves_-_Mer_and_Qt.webm SailfishOS http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/Vesa-Matti_-_Qt,_Open_Source_and_Sailfish_OS.webm All videos http://files.kde.org/akademy/2013/videos/ | 17:47 |
| faenil | Morpog_PC, great! | 17:48 |
| Morpog_PC | listening to lbt at the moment :) | 17:48 |
| faenil | MSameer, there are also runlevels though | 17:49 |
| faenil | dinner, bbl | 17:50 |
| MSameer | faenil: it's also dependency based boot | 17:51 |
| MSameer | faenil: so it wants to reach the default target which is /lib/systemd/system/default.target | 17:52 |
| MSameer | faenil: it's a symlink to graphical.target in our case so it checks what this target wants in graphical.target.wants | 17:53 |
| MSameer | that is my understanding based on poking around for a few minutes | 17:53 |
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| piggz | installation on nemo on n950, 95% complete | 18:09 |
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| piggz | https://twitter.com/adampigg/status/357927104995799040 | 18:19 |
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| piggz | im not getting an ip address from nemo ... ive got the usb0 device, but hung waiting for an ip address | 18:31 |
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| piggz | fixed | 18:42 |
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| piggz | aw rats, looks like i broke nemo already, doesnt boot after a zypper dup | 18:54 |
| w00t__ | piggz: check journalctl | 18:55 |
| piggz | w00t__: how? all vie got is a nemo boot screen | 18:56 |
| w00t__ | usb should still be functioning at that point i think (phdeswer?) | 18:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | piggz: don't you have usb netwroking ? | 18:57 |
| piggz | oh, lets see | 18:57 |
| piggz | no, idont appear to have usb networking | 18:57 |
| piggz | i appear to have a usb disk tho | 18:58 |
| w00t__ | um | 18:59 |
| phdeswer | Well the usb network is not dhcp, you have to set it up manually. So if you have usb0 it is there. | 18:59 |
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| piggz | phdeswer: i have set up manual networking, but i dont have a usb0 device | 18:59 |
| phdeswer | piggz: ah ok. Anything in your dmesg? | 18:59 |
| faenil | MSameer, back :) | 19:00 |
| piggz | hangon.. | 19:00 |
| faenil | piggz, evening ;) | 19:00 |
| faenil | I guess you're installing nemo :D | 19:00 |
| phdeswer | But well if you have an usb disk you might have the device in mass-storage mode. | 19:01 |
| piggz | faenil: i had it installed, then i broke it ;) | 19:02 |
| faenil | piggz, eheh :) | 19:03 |
| piggz | phdeswer: i can probably get networking at the moslo prompt | 19:03 |
| piggz | well, i can just export the filesystem and extract the image again | 19:04 |
| piggz | w00t__: phdeswer: i have the filesystem on my laptop..what logs should i look at (if any) | 19:06 |
| phdeswer | w00t__: btw do you know which version of usb_moded is in the nemo repos? As the last version has a slightly different way to configure modes, and unless sage fixed the image generation | 19:06 |
| phdeswer | piggz: could you check the /etc/usb-moded dir? | 19:06 |
| piggz | phdeswer: ask | 19:07 |
| phdeswer | piggz: so you should get a dialog on the UI asking which mode you want. | 19:07 |
| piggz | phdeswer: yes, that was all working...it failed after rebooting after a zypper dup | 19:07 |
| piggz | on boot it just stuck at the nemo boot screen | 19:07 |
| phdeswer | Ah ok. Well change that ask into developer_mode. | 19:08 |
| phdeswer | So if the device boots far enough you might have usb networking. | 19:08 |
| piggz | i noticed that the zypper dup installed wayland btw | 19:09 |
| phdeswer | piggz: so if the UI does not come up, there is no way to tell the usb profile handler which profile to select and thus no usb connection. So if you tell it now to go to usb networking mode by default it might come up | 19:10 |
| faenil | MSameer, ok thanks ;) let me know when you're back to work on it ;) | 19:11 |
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| piggz | phdeswer: w00t__: ok, networking with no gui now works | 19:13 |
| piggz | im logged in as nemo | 19:13 |
| piggz | looks like X didnt load | 19:13 |
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| w00t__ | and journalctl? | 19:14 |
| piggz | http://pastebin.com/0sjCxiRD | 19:14 |
| piggz | w00t__: http://pastebin.com/pgig7rw7 | 19:16 |
| w00t__ | zypper search mesa | 19:18 |
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| piggz | http://pastebin.com/rth81EeA | 19:19 |
| w00t__ | there's your problem | 19:20 |
| w00t__ | ssu lr | 19:20 |
| piggz | w00t__: i havnt used ssu yet to enable/disable repositories (just reading the wiki on it) | 19:22 |
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| w00t__ | the default image already comes preconfigured | 19:22 |
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| piggz | http://pastebin.com/qdP2fBKp | 19:22 |
| w00t__ | ok good | 19:24 |
| w00t__ | zypper search -t pattern | 19:24 |
| piggz | install mer-graphics-common? | 19:25 |
| w00t__ | no | 19:25 |
| w00t__ | show me the list first | 19:25 |
| piggz | http://pastebin.com/bVk4QVJF | 19:25 |
| w00t__ | um. | 19:26 |
| piggz | um == bad? :) | 19:26 |
| w00t__ | Sage: aren't there supposed to be a set of device adaptation patterns | 19:26 |
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| w00t__ | this is an n950, right? | 19:27 |
| w00t__ | (or n9) | 19:27 |
| w00t__ | piggz: ^ | 19:28 |
| piggz | w00t__: n950 | 19:28 |
| Sage | phdeswer: we are still using older version of usb-moded in nemo | 19:28 |
| Sage | phdeswer: the usb-moded-old branch | 19:28 |
| w00t__ | piggz: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-patterns/blob/patterns-n950/nokia-n950-support.yaml <- zypper in all of that, it'll complain about conflicts with mesa stuff, pastebin the messages when it comes up | 19:29 |
| Sage | w00t__: yes you found them already :) | 19:29 |
| w00t__ | Sage: I did | 19:29 |
| w00t__ | but why does his device not list it | 19:29 |
| w00t__ | adaptation repos are there | 19:29 |
| Sage | hmmp | 19:30 |
| Sage | ssu s output somewhere? | 19:30 |
| w00t__ | and also why do we keep getting so many people installing llvmpipe | 19:30 |
| w00t__ | it makes me think our default config is broken or something | 19:30 |
| Sage | w00t__: I'm guessing wayland stuff is bringing that in somehow | 19:30 |
| Sage | w00t__: some wayland so dep that isn't fullfilled in sgx driver | 19:31 |
| w00t__ | it should be all ok.. | 19:31 |
| w00t__ | and I've seen people hit this before the ti-omap3-sgx patching | 19:31 |
| Sage | yes, then it definitely was a problem with wayland | 19:31 |
| Sage | http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/0.20130620.0.1/repos/hw/ti/omap3/n950-n9/armv7hl/repodata/ | 19:32 |
| Sage | patterns seem to be in order there | 19:32 |
| * w00t__ idly ponders if we should make the n950 kernel conflict with llvmpipe :P | 19:35 | |
| w00t__ | maybe if people see the kernel being removed they'd get warning signs | 19:35 |
| piggz | w00t__: there was nothing to do... http://pastebin.com/HiSyUP2T | 19:37 |
| w00t__ | uhhh | 19:37 |
| w00t__ | zypper repos | 19:37 |
| piggz | mer-core and nemo-platform | 19:38 |
| w00t__ | ok, so somehow, you've got adaptation repos in ssu but not in zypper? | 19:39 |
| w00t__ | ssu ur | 19:39 |
| w00t__ | zypper repos | 19:40 |
| piggz | w00t__: ok, now have adaption0 and 1 | 19:40 |
| w00t__ | better | 19:40 |
| w00t__ | try those installs again | 19:40 |
| piggz | ok ... how do i bring up wifi network with no ui? :) | 19:41 |
| w00t__ | with difficulty | 19:42 |
| w00t__ | you may be able to persuade it to route over usb somehow, I'm not sure how | 19:42 |
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| w00t__ | Sage: perhaps this is what happened to others? ^ | 19:49 |
| faenil | w00t__, there are updated USB networking instructions | 19:50 |
| faenil | debian/ubuntu only though, iirc | 19:50 |
| faenil | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking | 19:51 |
| * w00t__ hugs OS X :-p | 19:52 | |
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| piggz | faenil: thx, i used those to get forwarding to work...now the device can ping 8.8.8.8, but no dns (resolv.conf sets nameserver 8.8.8.8) | 19:56 |
| faenil | :/ | 19:57 |
| piggz | faenil: my bad, it works better at the top! | 19:59 |
| faenil | :) | 20:00 |
| piggz | w00t__: what did you want to see again? i resolved the conflicts by removing mesa-llvmpipe-libEGL-9.0.3-1.1.8.armv7hl | 20:01 |
| piggz | however, X isnt loading (i can see it trying to) | 20:03 |
| w00t__ | journalctl | 20:03 |
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| piggz | w00t__: http://pastebin.com/PBpW4myc | 20:11 |
| piggz | why doenst G jump to the end of file in journalctl! | 20:11 |
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| w00t__ | journalctl -f will give you a live view | 20:23 |
| w00t__ | that doesn't look nice | 20:23 |
| w00t__ | piggz: try rebooting? | 20:23 |
| piggz | ok... | 20:24 |
| piggz | w00t__: think its working, got some funky colours like first time | 20:25 |
| faenil | piggz, that's Nemo's unique feature ;) | 20:25 |
| piggz | faenil: w00t__:; maybe i spoke too early, its just black now :) looks like i dont have libEGL | 20:29 |
| piggz | usr/bin/mcompositor: error while loading shared libraries: libEGL.so.1 | 20:29 |
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| piggz | what package is that in? | 20:29 |
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| faenil | piggz, on VM it's provided by | 20:30 |
| faenil | mesa-llvmpipe-libEGL-9.0.3-1.1.11.i486 | 20:30 |
| faenil | not sure on phone :/ | 20:30 |
| w00t__ | piggz: zypper search ti-omap3-sgx | 20:31 |
| piggz | ah, thats the one i removed to allow the installation of the other packages :) | 20:31 |
| w00t__ | no | 20:31 |
| w00t__ | you do not want llvmpipe | 20:31 |
| faenil | piggz, no no, no llvmpipe for you :P | 20:31 |
| faenil | piggz, my example is because I'm on VM, and it uses llvmpipe | 20:31 |
| piggz | w00t__: http://pastebin.com/53ypt1Cr | 20:32 |
| w00t__ | piggz: rpm -q ti-omap3-sgx | 20:32 |
| w00t__ | and rpm -ql ti-omap3-sgx | 20:32 |
| piggz | [root@localhost nemo]# rpm -q ti-omap3-sgx | 20:32 |
| piggz | ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268.1-3.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx.armv7hl | 20:32 |
| faenil | oh right, ti-omap | 20:32 |
| piggz | http://pastebin.com/LWuGCe7Z | 20:33 |
| w00t__ | okay.. | 20:33 |
| w00t__ | piggz: ls -al /usr/lib/libEGL* | 20:33 |
| Aard | faenil: signon-glib is required by the telepathy accounts bridge | 20:34 |
| Aard | (about the wiki page) | 20:34 |
| piggz | [root@localhost nemo]# ls -al /usr/lib/libEGL* | 20:34 |
| faenil | Aard, alright thanks ;) | 20:34 |
| piggz | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6092 2013-06-19 09:58 /usr/lib/libEGL_r125.so | 20:34 |
| piggz | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 1970-01-01 02:00 /usr/lib/libEGL.so -> libEGL_r125.so | 20:34 |
| faenil | Aard, I don't really understand what to replace "signon" package with | 20:34 |
| faenil | (apart from the other ???) | 20:35 |
| w00t__ | piggz: maybe you should go to devel level, as there were some fixes related to this there | 20:35 |
| Aard | faenil: signon should be coming from mer, not be in nemo:mw | 20:35 |
| w00t__ | piggz: ssu s says what? | 20:35 |
| piggz | http://pastebin.com/j0EjEqfu | 20:36 |
| faenil | Aard, yeah but I didn't find any "signon-qt5" package | 20:37 |
| faenil | only libsignon-qt5, which should be something different | 20:37 |
| w00t__ | ssu re latest, ssu fl devel, ssu ur, zypper ref -f, zypper dup should get you a device running the latest and hopefully greatest | 20:38 |
| piggz | sounds good! | 20:38 |
| Aard | faenil: signon is iirc just the daemon-stuff, which already should be qt5 nowadays | 20:41 |
| faenil | mmm | 20:41 |
| faenil | Aard, http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb?p=mer-core/libsignon.git;a=tree | 20:41 |
| faenil | is libsignon and signon the same thing? | 20:41 |
| faenil | that link got me confused | 20:41 |
| piggz | w00t__: i shose solution 1 to resolve the fact nothing provides libQt5SystemInfo.so.5 | 20:42 |
| w00t__ | piggz: what solutions? I don't see anything | 20:42 |
| Aard | faenil: yes, it's the same source package | 20:42 |
| faenil | Aard, signon looks Qt4 from there | 20:43 |
| piggz | w00t__: http://pastebin.com/2JM2C8mm | 20:43 |
| w00t__ | mm | 20:45 |
| w00t__ | looks like something that requires fixing, i'll try take a look in a bit or tomorrow (or Aard, do you know what that's about?) | 20:46 |
| Aard | w00t__: I didn't spot qt4 signon on my device last time I checked | 20:47 |
| w00t__ | Aard: I mean the buteo thing from piggz | 20:48 |
| piggz | so, whats the easiest way to create app packages for nemo? (preferably completely integrated into qtcreator ;) | 20:48 |
| Aard | w00t__: my guess is that the mer:qt repo is not included there, the renaming from qt0systeminfo to qt5systeminfo was pretty recently | 20:49 |
| piggz | are the qml api's close to harmattan? | 20:49 |
| w00t__ | it should be | 20:49 |
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| faenil | bbl | 20:57 |
| faenil | tomorrow, cya guys ;) | 20:57 |
| faenil | Aard, I'll talk to you tomorrow :) | 20:57 |
| faenil | (if you have time :D) | 20:57 |
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| Sage | w00t__: maybe, however if the packages are installed it is more or less user error if users says yes when it suggests to install mesa and remove sgx driver | 21:10 |
| piggz | w00t__: that seems to boot faster! | 21:15 |
| w00t__ | hopefully it boots into something that works | 21:16 |
| piggz | yes | 21:16 |
| piggz | :) | 21:16 |
| w00t__ | oh, it does? | 21:16 |
| * w00t__ tries to not look surprised | 21:17 | |
| piggz | so, first things first, i should make space-invaders work on it! | 21:18 |
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| mhall119 | hey guys, who works on the folderlistmodel QML plugin? | 21:56 |
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