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| netweaver | Morning all (CET) | 07:28 |
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| iekku | :D | 07:29 |
| netweaver | All, Sage: I have same issue as needforkill on Sunday, no telephony. | 07:31 |
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| Sage | netweaver: can you try if you can make a call with ofono-tests scripts? | 08:00 |
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| faenil | O/ | 08:29 |
| wazd | \o | 08:29 |
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| faenil | wazd, hey :) how you doing | 08:40 |
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| Netweaver_ | Sage: list-modems returns a proper list (as far as I can see), dial-number crashes with DBUS exception in connecton.py (line 651) in call_blocking. dbus.exceptions.DBusException: org.ofono.Error.NotAvailable: Operation currently not available. ofonod and voicecall-manager are running | 08:45 |
| w00t__ | Aard: ^ didn't you say you were having trouble with cellular? | 08:47 |
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| Sage | Netweaver_: can you pastebin the list-modems output for me? You can drop the personal info ;) | 08:53 |
| Aard | w00t__: yep, that's same thing I'm getting | 08:55 |
| Aard | ofono is up and runnning, and cellular network connected | 08:55 |
| Netweaver_ | Sage, sure, the moment I get my USB networking connecting and stable again ... never ending saga. Just as a general question, what Linux distro is easiest to work with to get an always stable USB networking connectivity? I've given up on Lubuntu 12.10, I'm happy to install any, just to get eyes-closed connectivity | 08:57 |
| Sage | Netweaver_: distro that doesn't have networkmanager installed ;) | 08:58 |
| Sage | Netweaver_: you just need to make networkmanager to ignore the usbX | 08:59 |
| Sage | I have personally about 50 entries in my networkmanager of usb0 as it wants to do it always again and need to go to disable auto connect for each new id | 08:59 |
| Netweaver_ | Sage: I saw this in the wiki: "Simplified version should work 99% of the machines and distributions, if you run into troubles, then use old more complicated instructions." I really what these 99% of distros are | 09:00 |
| * Sage checks | 09:02 | |
| Sage | Netweaver_: well haven't used that myself | 09:03 |
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| Netweaver_ | mmm, it looks my debian 7 VM is accepting it fine. But no guaranteed after one connection it will work again. Pastebin is coming up soon | 09:09 |
| stephg | Netweaver_, always had trouble with VMs and the USB networking | 09:11 |
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| Netweaver_ | Sage: finally : http://pastebin.com/Dwn79z4y | 09:13 |
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| Netweaver_ | Sage, FYI : pastebin of the output of dial-number : http://pastebin.com/q4Wm1j9p | 09:18 |
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| sledges | no problems with Arch Linux ;) | 09:53 |
| Netweaver_ | sledges: tnx. if Debian 7 plays up on subsequent USB connects, I'll give Arch Linux a try | 09:54 |
| sledges | Arch Linux "is all about choice" - so you just choose to go without network manager :) | 09:54 |
| sledges | easy for me to say, when my workstation is wired-only, but in other cases I remember in networkmanager setting up static ip for usb0 devices | 09:55 |
| sledges | did the trick | 09:55 |
| sledges | in ubuntu 10.04 iirc | 09:55 |
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| mric | I just saw Glacier UI it is amazing !!! Is it already released of just some ideas ? | 10:03 |
| Netweaver_ | sledges: :) for now, I try to NOT disconnect to verify repeatability, as long as I have it, to help Sage if he needs something from me to check. | 10:03 |
| w00t__ | modem is marked as not online? hm.. | 10:04 |
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| sledges | mric, hello! how have you been? :) | 10:05 |
| mric_ | very good thanks, what about you ? | 10:06 |
| sledges | mric, those are ideas currently in a photoshop/gimp state :) | 10:06 |
| sledges | I hope we soon could have rudimentary navigation and theming ported to QML, then via testing and comments of how convenient it looks and feels, will be made just better and better! | 10:07 |
| sledges | rikanee is the person to talk to ;) | 10:07 |
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| mric_ | haah ok I was already dreaming :) it is so beautiful | 10:07 |
| sledges | yes, I'm dreaming of it too :D | 10:07 |
| sledges | so much that I made a wallpaper gallery (cut up existing screens ;) so you can see how | 10:08 |
| sledges | they look on n9/950 | 10:08 |
| mric_ | haah yeah good idea, and how do they look ? | 10:08 |
| sledges | and was going to cutout icons too lol just for the sake of playing with it | 10:08 |
| sledges | https://twitter.com/sledgas/status/354290686062911488 | 10:09 |
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| mric_ | haha perfect will download them ! | 10:10 |
| mric_ | btw, do you know what is the difference between a snapshot (nemo image) and a release ? | 10:11 |
| sledges | Sage, I had the same question for you last week (in my head :) ^ | 10:13 |
| sledges | as I was updating this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Installing#Images | 10:14 |
| mric_ | yep exactly :) | 10:14 |
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| mric_ | I guess the last image dated from 24-Jun-2013 ? | 10:16 |
| sledges | yes | 10:16 |
| sledges | just go with the latest for now ignoring the bit :) | 10:16 |
| Netweaver_ | all: any idea how to migrate the contacts from the maemo side into the Nemo side, in case we get the ofono back working? I have 400+ contacts and I don't like to retype all. It would ease full-time transition to Nemo if that effort was taken away | 10:18 |
| mric_ | netweaver, the answer would very much interset me aswell :) | 10:19 |
| sledges | if there isn't one, I think a python script could do it for now :) | 10:21 |
| sledges | this is how nemo glacier ui will look like on a phone: http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/nemo/nemo_glacier_ui-1_zpsd86b8189.png | 10:23 |
| sledges | http://i1260.photobucket.com/albums/ii567/sledgas/mer/nemo/nemo_glacier_ui-2_zps60efbe39.png | 10:23 |
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| sledges | a bit weird looking into it and not seeing the 4x7 app grid like we are so much used in pretty much everywhere! | 10:24 |
| roope | that glacier looks so good | 10:25 |
| mric_ | looks very good, but meaybe I'm missing some status like battery level, signal strength, .... but still looks amazing | 10:26 |
| sledges | sailfish is missing that too ;P | 10:26 |
| sledges | but it's cleverly hidden | 10:26 |
| faenil | Sage, where is the file containing the packages for "@Nemo x86 VM"? (I'm trying to understand the image creation process in nemo) | 10:26 |
| sledges | I think glacier will have something similar | 10:26 |
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| mric_ | or maybe like WP: you can to tap at the top and the status bar shows up | 10:27 |
| mric_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3eGMszquZU | 10:28 |
| sledges | faenil, patterns are defined nicely. in your case: http://releases.nemomobile.org/snapshots/repos/hw/x86/x86-common/latest/i586/repodata/patterns.xml.gz | 10:28 |
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| faenil | sledges, thanks man, I was going crazy, looked everwhere on github | 10:29 |
| sledges | been there done that faenil :)) | 10:29 |
| faenil | but that file should be somewhere else too...right? | 10:29 |
| sledges | good point :D no idea | 10:29 |
| faenil | :D | 10:29 |
| sledges | probably around OBS | 10:29 |
| faenil | gets messy in no time | 10:32 |
| rozhkov | lbt: I guess there is a free space issue with https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=xulrunner&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw | 10:34 |
| rikanee | sledges: think of it as a new spin on the launcher. | 10:34 |
| sledges | faenil, there's a _pattern package. I think you can open it with osc https://build.merproject.org/project/packages?nextstatus=404&project=nemo%3Atesting%3Ahw%3Ax86%3Ax86-common | 10:35 |
| lbt | rozhkov: looking - ty | 10:35 |
| sledges | s/open/access\/edit/ | 10:35 |
| sledges | rikanee, no app grid = fresh wind alternatives for our sails, you mean? :) | 10:36 |
| faenil | sledges, not on github though :/ | 10:37 |
| sledges | github tracks individual projects. OBS puts it into a hierarchical sturcture I think. that's why OBS (and not github) is a tool for the release engineers | 10:39 |
| sledges | that's how tizen managed to keep it all locked down | 10:39 |
| sledges | source open = you can download individual tarballs | 10:39 |
| sledges | but access to their OBS - only for chosen people (I applied two times - no response) | 10:39 |
| faenil | :/ | 10:39 |
| sledges | as in addition to patterns, OBS contains the projects' metadata too (like Prefers: etc) | 10:40 |
| roope | btw, is there any information whether sailfish os will be available for n950 | 10:41 |
| sledges | roope, you can try your luck (again) on #sailfishos | 10:42 |
| sledges | :) | 10:42 |
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| rikanee | sledges: call it the icebreaker ;) | 10:42 |
| mric_ | see you | 10:42 |
| sledges | laters mric_ | 10:42 |
| roope | heh, im new here so i got no information about how much that has been discussed before | 10:42 |
| sledges | so, no dates so far. that's why it's cool to concentrate on nemo mobile in the meantime | 10:43 |
| roope | im just so fed up with meego so i began to look alternatives | 10:43 |
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| sledges | rikanee, lol, and no the iceberg :)) | 10:43 |
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| sledges | meego left the principles of "mobile linux done right", and got shot in the head | 10:47 |
| sledges | here all of those principles were revived, and meego lives in new shapes now | 10:47 |
| roope | the issue may also be in my phone, all my apps lost their network connectivity | 10:48 |
| sledges | nemomobile is 100% opensource | 10:48 |
| sledges | so no-one can shoot us anymore ;) | 10:48 |
| roope | need to flash today and see if it helps anything | 10:48 |
| faenil | it seems mic-creator-image has been replaced by mic create ? | 10:49 |
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| Netweaver_ | Sledges: I fully believe you. I think if people want to be persuaded to move to Nemo, then at least the telephony + wifi + mobile data should work. And cut away extra work such as rek-eying contacts. | 10:56 |
| rikanee | huh, phone calls are broken on Nemo? | 10:58 |
| sledges | on :devel: anything can be broken anytime ;) | 10:59 |
| Netweaver_ | Sage, all: when I do an online-modem command, then some things start working. Then I can do a dial-number and the status bar updates to show the correct signal strength & operator. The dialer still refuses to start though | 11:00 |
| sledges | sure on :testing: it had been working (at least surely worked earlier) | 11:00 |
| sledges | yup, lots of stuffs to be done, but we had reports GSM+wifi+GPRS worked in the past, so these regressions won't be had to fix | 11:01 |
| w00t__ | Netweaver_: refuses how? | 11:01 |
| sledges | sadly I broke my N9 :( need to fix asap | 11:02 |
| sledges | Netweaver_, your pastebins were removed :} | 11:02 |
| Netweaver_ | all, sorry I'm going into a meeting now. I'll be back. Real life ... :( | 11:04 |
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| rozhkov | lbt: can i try to trigger a new build for xulrunner? | 11:15 |
| lbt | rozhkov: I can't see a problem :( | 11:16 |
| lbt | (Also being distracted by other people !) | 11:16 |
| lbt | try a trigger, yes | 11:16 |
| rozhkov | ok, one sec | 11:16 |
| lbt | 100G for src - 89Gb free | 11:17 |
| lbt | I'll watch in case it unpacks in var or something dumb | 11:17 |
| rozhkov | triggered | 11:18 |
| faenil | http://www.zdnet.com/jolla-with-just-months-til-launch-heres-whats-happening-with-the-sailfish-smartphone-7000017994/ | 11:24 |
| rozhkov | lbt: fatal: cannot create directory at 'parser/htmlparser/tests/mochitest': No space left on device :( | 11:28 |
| Netweaver_ | sledges: old pastbin re-created as http://pastebin.com/wiKbTvJw, no expiration now.. | 11:28 |
| lbt | rozhkov: gah - can you do it again and ping me when you trigger | 11:29 |
| rozhkov | sure, one sec | 11:30 |
| * lbt is in about 5 meetings | 11:30 | |
| rozhkov | lbt: ready, stady... | 11:31 |
| lbt | :) | 11:31 |
| rozhkov | lbt: go | 11:31 |
| lbt | yay | 11:32 |
| lbt | it unpacks to /var/tmp | 11:32 |
| rozhkov | aha | 11:32 |
| lbt | only 4Gb there - it shouldn't do that | 11:33 |
| lbt | that then does a cross-fs move | 11:33 |
| rozhkov | oh, that's not efficient for big tarballs | 11:34 |
| lbt | ouch | 11:34 |
| lbt | I misread the date and rm'ed the wrong tmp file | 11:34 |
| lbt | there's some old uncleaned up stuff | 11:34 |
| lbt | so sorry - could you do it again - now it's clean it should work | 11:35 |
| lbt | and we need to log a bug with islam I think | 11:35 |
| rozhkov | lbt: will try again. ty! | 11:35 |
| lbt | I was rushing to try and clean up before the tarball unpacked all the way :D | 11:36 |
| sledges | Netweaver_, thanks, could you output voicecall-ui refusing to start? | 11:37 |
| sledges | you can do it from fingerterm: voicecall-ui | 11:37 |
| sledges | (iirc the app name) | 11:37 |
| lbt | rozhkov: how big is the unpacked src? there is 3.5Gb free | 11:38 |
| rozhkov | lbt: lemme check | 11:39 |
| lbt | feel free to trigger again anyhow | 11:39 |
| rozhkov | lbt: 2.9G | 11:39 |
| lbt | and it seems to be doing 2 in parallel :) | 11:41 |
| rozhkov | yes, one for xulruneer.spec and one other for xulrunner-qt5.spec | 11:42 |
| rozhkov | failed again :( | 11:43 |
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| Netweaver__ | sledges: mmmm, maybe it was a timing issue. when started from the icon, progress indicator started spinning. and stopped without giving the dialer. Now via command line it starts fine and via icon it now also starts fine ... | 11:46 |
| sledges | faenil, amazing article, not so much the channel you posted it in ;D | 11:46 |
| sledges | so Netweaver__ great success :) | 11:47 |
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| lbt | rozhkov: OK - I found what's happening in bs_service - hotfix applied - restarting service now | 11:47 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: so only the automatic 'online-modem' is not happening somewhere during the bootup | 11:48 |
| lbt | rozhkov: try again - should be OK now | 11:48 |
| rozhkov | lbt: trying... | 11:48 |
| sledges | Netweaver__, very possible, because we had systemd overhaul recently | 11:49 |
| sledges | can be that online-modem.service got lost (can't tell the exact name now) | 11:49 |
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| Netweaver__ | sledges: where to request the check and correct? Nemo bug creation or it can go -in between- ? | 11:54 |
| sledges | Netweaver__, since you're around, let's try adhoc here | 11:56 |
| sledges | if still stuck, file a bug | 11:56 |
| sledges | please execute: | 11:56 |
| sledges | rpm -qf /usr/bin/online-modem | 11:56 |
| sledges | (if that where the file is) | 11:56 |
| Netweaver__ | no, it's in the ofono tests directory. anyway, it's in this rpm : ofono-tests-1.12-1.1.2.armv7hl | 11:58 |
| sledges | ok means nemo is no longer setting this property via dbus on boot: org.ofono.Modem' | 12:02 |
| sledges | Netweaver__, are you on rnd repo? if so, are you on testing or devel? | 12:02 |
| sledges | `ssu -s` can tell | 12:02 |
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| Netweaver__ | devel | 12:03 |
| Netweaver__ | bleeding edge :) | 12:03 |
| sledges | no wonder it bleeds then ;) | 12:04 |
| Netweaver__ | he, someone has to test :) | 12:04 |
| sledges | that's the attitude! | 12:04 |
| sledges | so people can come now and choose nemo:testing instead of devel, gsm+gprs+wifi should work there! | 12:05 |
| sledges | :) | 12:05 |
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| Netweaver__ | sure, I was on testing before. But more fun and more understanding what's going on when hitting bugs. One only really learns from errors and fixing them. | 12:10 |
| sledges | too true, thanks for finding this one! | 12:10 |
| sledges | time to file a bug ;) | 12:10 |
| sledges | under Middleware/Other | 12:13 |
| Netweaver__ | doing now | 12:14 |
| sledges | awesomness :) | 12:14 |
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| Netweaver__ | there you go : https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=691 | 12:20 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 691 in .Other "ofono modem is not set Online anymore at boot (rnd/devel)" [Major,New] | 12:20 |
| sledges | added a person in question :) | 12:21 |
| sledges | i think w00t__ should also be in the loop | 12:21 |
| sledges | thanks Netweaver__ | 12:21 |
| sledges | (why so many tails today__?) | 12:21 |
| sledges | :) | 12:21 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: ur welcome. while I'm at it, should I file a few more? Both bugs and requests/tasks? | 12:21 |
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| Netweaver__ | sledges: diff networks/VPNs I'm on and diff devices ... | 12:23 |
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| sledges | sure, use the momentum :) report at will, as long as you specify under Severity, which is bug, and which is enhancement/task instead | 12:24 |
| sledges | all c00l__ :)) | 12:24 |
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| lbt | rozhkov: https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=xulrunner&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw looks better now (apart from the fails :) ) | 12:27 |
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| rozhkov | lbt: yep :) thanks! | 12:28 |
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| sledges | another great day :) | 12:29 |
| rozhkov | lbt: btw, could you check what's wrong with https://build.merproject.org/package/show?package=qtmozemebed&project=nemo%3Adevel%3Amw ? it builds successfully in another OBS with source service, but breaks in nemo | 12:29 |
| lbt | ok | 12:30 |
| Stskeeps | emebed? | 12:31 |
| rozhkov | ouch | 12:31 |
| phaeron | oops my typo ? | 12:32 |
| phaeron | :) | 12:32 |
| rozhkov | looks like that :) | 12:32 |
| phaeron | fixed | 12:33 |
| lbt | phaeron: fyi I changed bs_service code to have a different workdir for space reasons | 12:34 |
| rozhkov | phaeron: ty! | 12:34 |
| lbt | it's hardcoded | 12:34 |
| phaeron | lbt: yeah it is :/ . thanks | 12:35 |
| faenil | sledges, :D | 12:35 |
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| Netweaver__ | Sledges: 2nd one for today: https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=692 | 12:45 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 692 in Contacts/People "request for script to dump Maemo Contacts into Nemo People import format" [Enhancement,New] | 12:45 |
| sledges | bril, a script or a proper mechanism altogether | 12:45 |
| sledges | script I think is a quick and dirty option (for impatient ones :) | 12:46 |
| sledges | surely great to have a bug for that one | 12:46 |
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| sledges | can maemo contacts be exported in any format you know? | 12:46 |
| sledges | sad that google exchange account has been disabled by google itself for new devices..... | 12:46 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: another one, trivial but annoying : https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=693 | 12:49 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 693 in .Other "rnd/devel : Settings application doesn't save the brightness value" [Normal,New] | 12:49 |
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| sledges | good stuff Netweaver__ :) | 12:59 |
| sledges | did you know that it's not that hard to recompile/fix/retest a package on a local host? ;) | 13:00 |
| sledges | just saying, for future reference :) | 13:00 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: I know, I've even been messing around in the N900 hardwareadaptation kernel when the issue with certain edge-spec uSD cards was on. I raised that Nemo bug, lots of nice fighting between Nemo (stskeeps) and latest uboot(Pali) and others on who to solve it. and I also ahd my fair shot, using OBS. Never done the local stuff for Nemo though. I did before did some programming on Maemo. But now real life gets sometimes in the middle. And th | 13:07 |
| Netweaver__ | e new missus doesn't really like me to do much computer stuff in the evening, she rather has me playing with her. Who am I to reject that? :) | 13:07 |
| sledges | :D point well made Netweaver__ | 13:08 |
| sledges | no one should ever reject that.... | 13:08 |
| sledges | well, but if one day you get tired of testing (during daytime presumable ;) | 13:09 |
| sledges | poke me and I'll prop up a tl;dr wiki article how to locally build and fix bugs, as I go through it with you along | 13:09 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: surely, I love to get my hands dirty. Another feature/enhancement request : https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=694 | 13:19 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 694 in .Other "Request for user adjustable time before lockscreen appears. (and more)" [Enhancement,New] | 13:19 |
| sledges | nice, good that these request won't go down the drain anymore :) | 13:20 |
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| xavinux | Hi people :) | 13:25 |
| sledges | xavinux :) | 13:26 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: you know if someone is already working on entering the settings for APR/3G data? Or should I create a task for it? | 13:27 |
| Netweaver__ | hi xavinux :) | 13:27 |
| sledges | Netweaver__, the repo is here, and hasn't been much movement: https://github.com/nemomobile/qmlsettings/commits/master | 13:28 |
| sledges | I think task is in order, so devs can prioritise better | 13:28 |
| xavinux | Netweaver__ Hi! :) | 13:28 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: Done :) https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695 | 13:32 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 695 in .Other "Missing APR entry setting to enable 3G/GPRS data connection in qmlsettings" [Task,New] | 13:32 |
| sledges | jolly spiffing chaps :)) | 13:34 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: I was before (on Maemo) a bit put of of doing Qt development using the full Qt suite because the trouble with multiple Qt versions. The N900 target in Qt Studio came with only support for Qt 4.7. While lots of people were already doing stuff using 4.8. And trying to create the correct target/chroot/build environment having the latest Qt 4.8.2 (at the time) was v tiring. I bugged all Qt supoort channels to get help but nobody was reall | 13:40 |
| Netweaver__ | y interested to upgrade this N900 target. Some people must have gotten it to work, in an easier GUI way, making the knowledge ramp-up less steep. If it already takes weeks to get the underlying dev infrastructure right, energy goes quickly down to do actual development and learning Qt/Qt Quick. | 13:40 |
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| sledges | well, I assure those things have matured since | 13:41 |
| sledges | when I discovered Mer in January 2012, it already look promising, and kept getting better | 13:41 |
| sledges | now qt4 and qt5 can be developed side-by-side and run on a device simultaneously | 13:42 |
| sledges | just one example :) | 13:42 |
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| sledges | another one: we've moved to the awesome ssu [kudos to Maemo!] on nemo | 13:45 |
| phaeron | it has nothing to do with maemo ssu | 13:46 |
| sledges | :{ i thought it did | 13:46 |
| sledges | seamless software update isn't it | 13:46 |
| phaeron | name is similar but it is completely different tool :) | 13:47 |
| sledges | so maemo ssu is something completely else? | 13:47 |
| sledges | lmao | 13:47 |
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| phaeron | sledges: I haven't seen maemo ssu. but Aard wrote nemo ssu | 13:54 |
| sledges | phaeron, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | sledges: only thing it has in common is name | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | 'nemo' ssu is rpm-based, zypper-based, maemo's old was a sad mix of GTK and apt-get | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 13:54 |
| Stskeeps | ssu stands for seamless software update, i believe | 13:55 |
| sledges | http://wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update | 13:55 |
| sledges | ok, we are getting to the bottom of this :) | 13:55 |
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| sledges | im sure Aard was 'inspired' by the name's true origins ;) | 13:58 |
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| Aard | sledges: yep, that was the inspiration | 14:00 |
| sledges | and carried the name forward :) | 14:01 |
| Aard | and originally it was called 'rndssu' -- only the repository url resolving we still have was general purpose, but used on static repo configuration. the main feature was a sanish process of registering devices for ssu-updates in a closed rnd environment | 14:01 |
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| sledges | ahah! swapping in and out ;) | 14:03 |
| sledges | well but for the rest of us it provides such functionality like flavours | 14:04 |
| faenil | Sage, ping | 14:05 |
| faenil | Sage, need some help with ssu in image creation process | 14:06 |
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| faenil | I used sudo mic create livecd --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=zypp --arch=i486 nemo-i486-vm.ks --tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,SSU_RELEASE_TYPE:rnd,FLAVOUR:devel | 14:06 |
| faenil | and ended up with no repos... | 14:06 |
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| Netweaver_ | Sledges: Say I wanna have a go a the qmlsettings application, how do I go about in a visual environment? I need the full Mer SDK together with the QT Creator? How do I link them up? | 14:08 |
| Aard | sledges: the 'flavours' part is from the originall url-resolving functionality, again rnd-background to be able to easily switch a device between different qa-levels | 14:08 |
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| Aard | faenil: the repositories should get created on first boot, the image itself should be without repos | 14:08 |
| faenil | Aard, mm :/ when I do zypper ref | 14:09 |
| faenil | it says "no repos" | 14:09 |
| Aard | faenil: which device? | 14:09 |
| Aard | and, tried 'ssu ur'? | 14:09 |
| faenil | Aard, well, I did ssu re -r, then ssu fl devel, then ssu ur | 14:10 |
| faenil | but I'd like to have an image which is ready from the beginning | 14:10 |
| faenil | just like common nemo images | 14:10 |
| Aard | if ssu ur creates the repositories you're missing the package with the triggers creating the repos on the first boot. if ssu ur does not create the repos you're missing the ssu configuration | 14:10 |
| faenil | Aard, I grabbed this, modified the boot params, and added few packages | 14:11 |
| faenil | http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/latest/images/nemo-i486-vm/nemo-i486-vm.ks | 14:11 |
| faenil | that's all | 14:11 |
| Aard | faenil: so ssu ur creates the repos, they just were not there after boot? | 14:11 |
| faenil | Aard, exactly | 14:11 |
| faenil | I used that ks, added few packages to it, and created the image with the command I pasted | 14:11 |
| faenil | (which could be wrong, but there's no guide about how to create an image for nemo starting from one .ks) | 14:12 |
| Aard | did you build against release? | 14:13 |
| faenil | what do you mean? | 14:14 |
| Aard | which repos were you building against | 14:14 |
| faenil | well, the command I used, plus that ks | 14:14 |
| faenil | use http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/latest/ | 14:14 |
| Netweaver_ | sledges: wiki still mentions COBS, which is old. Doesn't help if the wiki is not recent either, then people come back asking stupid beginners questions all the time :) https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/GettingStartedInFixingBugs | 14:16 |
| Aard | faenil: two things, check if /usr/lib/oneshot.d/ssu-update-repos exists, and then if there is something in /etc/oneshot.d/0/ | 14:16 |
| faenil | you mean with a clean install? | 14:17 |
| faenil | (now I already fixed it) | 14:17 |
| Aard | just check it | 14:17 |
| faenil | ok, I'll check on the working image | 14:17 |
| faenil | update-repos exists | 14:19 |
| faenil | but there's no 0 folder | 14:19 |
| faenil | there's /usr/lib/oneshot.d/00-initial-user-setup | 14:19 |
| Aard | the 0 folder should be in /etc/oneshot.d | 14:19 |
| faenil | it's not :) | 14:20 |
| faenil | oh sorry | 14:20 |
| faenil | empty | 14:20 |
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| faenil | Aard, is it supposed to be empty? | 14:22 |
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| Aard | yes, links get created there for scripts to run during start | 14:26 |
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| faenil | Aard, then everything seems ok? :/ | 14:26 |
| Aard | so, now you could check on a fresh image (i.e., unflashed) if there's something there | 14:27 |
| faenil | ok | 14:27 |
| Aard | oh, wait | 14:27 |
| Aard | so, on the image /usr/lib/oneshot.d/ssu-update-repos should be exist, and there should be a link from /etc/oneshot.d/0/ssu-update-repos to /usr/lib/oneshot.d/ssu-update-repos | 14:27 |
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| Aard | that should trigger the repo creaton on first boot | 14:27 |
| faenil | ok I'll boot the livecd on a new image and check | 14:28 |
| faenil | on a new VM* | 14:28 |
| faenil | Aard, 0 dir is empty, and zypper ref says no repos | 14:30 |
| faenil | (this is once the image booted) | 14:31 |
| sledges | shouldn't there have been a --save flag in .ks to persist the repos ? | 14:31 |
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| faenil | ssu repos say | 14:33 |
| faenil | Enabled repositories (global): | 14:33 |
| faenil | - mer-core ... http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/latest/repos/mer/builds/i486/packages/ | 14:33 |
| faenil | - nemo-platform ... http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/latest/repos/platform/i486/ | 14:33 |
| faenil | Enabled repositories (user): | 14:33 |
| faenil | Disabled repositories (global, might be overridden by user config): | 14:33 |
| faenil | Disabled repositories (user): | 14:33 |
| Aard | faenil: did you check on the raw image, before booting? oneshot removes scriptlets from etc after successful run | 14:33 |
| sledges | thanks Netweaver_ , will update that page | 14:34 |
| faenil | how do I extract the img? | 14:34 |
| faenil | it's the livecd | 14:34 |
| faenil | Aard, I don't have a raw image, just livecd atm | 14:34 |
| sledges | you can fdisk the image, find starting sector for partition you need | 14:35 |
| sledges | then mount -o loop,offset=512*<starting sector> img.img /mnt/ | 14:35 |
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| sledges | (do the math beforehand ofc) | 14:35 |
| faenil | sledges, lol :D | 14:35 |
| faenil | ok | 14:35 |
| Aard | sledges: and no, images with ssu-managed repositories should not use --save; ssu allows you to use different repositories for building the image and using the image -> repositories get created on first boot | 14:35 |
| sledges | :) | 14:35 |
| Netweaver_ | sledges: can QT Creator 5.1 integrate with the mer SDK? I'll go for Debian 7 as base OS, any objections? | 14:36 |
| sledges | Aard, got you | 14:36 |
| Aard | so, now it's interesting why the images did not get created, as so far everything seems to look ok | 14:36 |
| sledges | Netweaver_, qt creator integrator - that's a harder challenge | 14:36 |
| sledges | I'll add the instructions on how to compile a package locally | 14:36 |
| sledges | but just via command line | 14:37 |
| sledges | Sailfish OS SDK has what it takes to integrate qt creator properly | 14:37 |
| faenil | Aard, which images? I created the livecd, and it got created... | 14:37 |
| sledges | I think lbt mentioned once that Mer SDK will catch up on that soon | 14:37 |
| Aard | faenil: you just said you don't have repos | 14:37 |
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| faenil | Aard, yeah | 14:38 |
| faenil | when I start the livecd I created | 14:38 |
| faenil | (with the command above) | 14:38 |
| Netweaver_ | sledges: so no github integration between QT Creator? Check in/check out? That's what I was hinting at before, there is never a stable environment. So QML applications can only be done using commandline? | 14:38 |
| lbt | sledges: mersdk and sailfish are really similar (barring branding) | 14:38 |
| faenil | zypper ref says there are no repos (though ssu lr reports those 2 global repos) | 14:38 |
| faenil | but I created that liveCd myself, using mic create livecd and my custom .ks | 14:39 |
| sledges | Netweaver_, with Qt Creator you can now import the code, probably set include paths to get autocomplete, and with more struggle - get it compiled. But Qt Designer (for QML) is the most challenging part - am I right lbt ? | 14:39 |
| lbt | Netweaver_: please edit the wiki to fix issues like cobs - it's a community wiki :) | 14:39 |
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| lbt | yes - Designer is ... not great | 14:40 |
| faenil | Aard, don't know if you misunderstood | 14:41 |
| lbt | we were at Qt Contributor summit last couple of days and all acknowledge Designer needs a re-write | 14:41 |
| sledges | as long as Qt Creator is concerned, these bits would be relevant for you to setup Netweaver_: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/User:Tswindell/Qt_Creator_And_Mer_Integration | 14:42 |
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| lbt | frankly don't waste your time on Designer | 14:42 |
| faenil | sledges, tried fdisk -lu but it doesn't show partitions :/ | 14:42 |
| lbt | sledges: eek no | 14:42 |
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| lbt | that page is way out of date | 14:42 |
| lbt | use the Sailfish SDK | 14:43 |
| lbt | then add a nemo target | 14:43 |
| lbt | "just works" | 14:43 |
| sledges | Netweaver_, I see your frustration, but I always implied that best quickfixing is: github clone, mer sdk local compile, make changes to code, recompile, obtain rpm, push to device, test on device, repeat process | 14:43 |
| sledges | when most hw-dependent cases require you to deploy anyhow (testing gprs or brightness settings ;P ) | 14:44 |
| lbt | sledges: ^^ cycle is now achieved in one click on Sailfish SDK | 14:44 |
| sledges | lbt, that's what I remember you saying back in the day - to have nemo target on sdk. Sorry to have missed that it has been already achieved! \o/ | 14:44 |
| lbt | yes | 14:44 |
| sledges | s/sdk/sailfish sdk/ | 14:44 |
| lbt | install sailfish SDK and try it | 14:44 |
| sledges | Netweaver_, ^ | 14:44 |
| faenil | Aard, you still there? :D | 14:45 |
| Netweaver_ | sledges lbt: ok, re-downloading Sailfish SDK. last time I downloaded it I got nowhere ... | 14:45 |
| lbt | now I'll stop talking here and go make it even better - ability to add 'provider' ... so nemo project can add regular targets to sailfish SDK | 14:45 |
| Aard | faenil: half | 14:45 |
| faenil | :) | 14:45 |
| Netweaver_ | lbt: thanks ! :) | 14:46 |
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| sledges | faenil, is it tar.bz2/gz? ;) | 14:46 |
| sledges | or .raw | 14:46 |
| faenil | sledges, man it's a livecd...and the live cd comes with two .img files inside it :P | 14:46 |
| sledges | 8 | 14:46 |
| sledges | 8) | 14:46 |
| lbt | Netweaver_: check the known issues page too - it should just work on debian. (and I know it's not a .deb :) ) | 14:46 |
| faenil | okay guys I'll just create the raw image and see what happens :P | 14:48 |
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| faenil | zypper in syslinux-extlinux still requires to build raw images? | 14:54 |
| Netweaver_ | lbt: I'm running the Debian 7 in a VMware VM. Will the VM as part of the Sailfish SDK still run in this setting? | 15:06 |
| faenil | Aard, before finishing the image I get | 15:07 |
| faenil | /var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-suSw4W/install_root/tmp/ks-script-YQ_hVL: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file | 15:07 |
| rozhkov | phaeron: please create cutefox git repo in nemomobile-packages and hook it to nemo:devel:apps/cutefox and nemo:devel:apps/cutefox-qt5 | 15:11 |
| lbt | Netweaver_: unlikely | 15:12 |
| lbt | Netweaver_: SDK is cross platform (though it uses VirtualBox so can't always be concurrent with VMWare/KVM etc) | 15:13 |
| lbt | so ideally just run it on the host | 15:13 |
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| faenil | crap! grr | 15:51 |
| faenil | Aard, ping | 15:52 |
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| Aard | faenil: I'll be back in a bit, need to buy some stuff | 15:53 |
| faenil | alright | 15:53 |
| faenil | just how do I mount .raw? | 15:53 |
| faenil | :) | 15:53 |
| faenil | I made the raw image, but it doesn't let me mount it...how do I check if there's the file you were talking about | 15:53 |
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| sledges | faenil, .raw should just mount. if it doesn't, .iso (livecd) mounts just fine too, bit more struggle: https://pastee.org/skkqv | 15:57 |
| sledges | tested myself | 15:57 |
| faenil | alright thanks, though .raw gives error | 15:58 |
| sledges | some weird problem with those raws :) | 15:59 |
| faenil | failed to setup loop device: invalid argument | 15:59 |
| sledges | http://major.io/2010/12/14/mounting-a-raw-partition-file-made-with-dd-or-dd_rescue-in-linux/ | 15:59 |
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| sledges | needs a fresh pair of eyes :) | 16:00 |
| faenil | sledges, :) | 16:03 |
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| Netweaver__ | lbt: what's the root password in the Mer SDK VM? Is there one? | 16:08 |
| sledges | inherited from your root | 16:08 |
| sledges | sudo that is | 16:08 |
| faenil | and...finally | 16:08 |
| faenil | Aard, the image doesn't have ssu-repos file in the 0 folder | 16:09 |
| faenil | Aard, t only has groupadd-user.later | 16:09 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges lbt: I'm talking the Sailfish build Mer VM, the one installed as part of the Sailfish SDK | 16:10 |
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| sledges | Netweaver__, nemo I think | 16:13 |
| Netweaver__ | sledges: on the Sailfish Mer Build SDK ... ? I doubt that. Anyway I tried it, it's not 'nemo' :) | 16:14 |
| sledges | on sailfish emulator is nemo iirc | 16:15 |
| sledges | Netweaver__, there are more people on the ball on #sailfishos | 16:16 |
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| Netweaver__ | sledges: just joined, asking there too | 16:25 |
| Aard | faenil: ok, that means that something during image build went wrong | 16:27 |
| Aard | do you have full build log? | 16:27 |
| faenil | Aard, yeah wait :) | 16:28 |
| faenil | Aard, I don't understand the last error | 16:28 |
| faenil | /var/tmp/mic/imgcreate-DEE18J/install_root/tmp/ks-script-mbfvwB: line 2: syntax error: unexpected end of file | 16:28 |
| faenil | I don't have time to look at it because it disappears instantaneously | 16:28 |
| Aard | faenil: that means that something with the script is broken. did you change the post script? | 16:29 |
| faenil | nope | 16:29 |
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| lbt | Netweaver__: https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html | 16:31 |
| faenil | Aard, http://pastebin.com/3Kre7vKY | 16:31 |
| lbt | also from console I think it's rootme for the build engine - won't work over ssh though | 16:31 |
| faenil | Aard, and then I use mic create livecd --record-pkgs=name --pkgmgr=zypp --arch=i486 nemo-i486-vm.ks --tokenmap=MER_RELEASE:latest,NEMO_RELEASE:latest,SSU_RELEASE_TYPE:rnd,FLAVOUR:devel | 16:31 |
| faenil | so unless the script goes crazy with the values I give it... | 16:31 |
| Netweaver__ | lbt: my Sailfish Mer build VM does't receive an IP address it seems, I can't ping it or ssh into it. It boot up 'fine' with the Sailfish Mer splash screen though | 16:33 |
| Aard | faenil: is there an %end after the %post --nochroot? | 16:33 |
| Aard | though that should not influence the other bit | 16:34 |
| faenil | yes | 16:34 |
| lbt | Netweaver__: is this inside vmware? | 16:34 |
| Aard | faenil: right now I don't see a reason why that might blow up | 16:35 |
| faenil | Aard, if only I could know the command that was used to create the livecd.. | 16:35 |
| faenil | I'm sure it must be something about that | 16:35 |
| faenil | now I'll try building with the .sh scripts | 16:36 |
| Aard | faenil: I'm pretty ignorant about mic incantations nowadays | 16:36 |
| faenil | :) Sage is afk | 16:37 |
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| Netweaver__ | lbt: yes, the Mer VM started nicely, inside it can ping itself fine. but from the QT creator machine to the MER VM I can't ping nor shh in. | 16:42 |
| lbt | did you ssh to localhost -p2222 ? | 16:42 |
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| phaeron | rozhkov: cutefox has an upstream ? | 16:43 |
| sledges | faenil, the command is on the top of .ks file | 16:43 |
| faenil | sledges, nope, -f is not even a recognized format | 16:44 |
| faenil | that's outdated stuff | 16:44 |
| sledges | btw, have you downloaded pre-built livecd and compared it's relevant contents to yours? http://releases.nemomobile.org/releases/latest/images/nemo-i486-vm/ | 16:45 |
| sledges | crazy that something is now done different.. maybe to do with latest mer you're linking against? and/or rnd:devel bits | 16:46 |
| faenil | not yet, I want to try building with the .sh files before doing that | 16:46 |
| faenil | and before that, I have to think about how to create a wayland only image :D | 16:46 |
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| faenil | Venemo_N9, o/ | 16:47 |
| Venemo_N9 | hey | 16:47 |
| Venemo_N9 | what's up? | 16:47 |
| sledges | hey Venemo_N9 ! my n9 isn't up still.. :) | 16:48 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9, got wayland to run on i486 today :) made my day | 16:48 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, congrats, you are awesome! | 16:50 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9, oh no it's all thanks to Stskeeps and the work of Jollaians on Nemo :) | 16:51 |
| Netweaver__ | lbt: 'ssh -p 2222 root@localhost' doesn't work inside the Mer build VM nor in the Debian. Ping within the Mer BUild VM works fine | 16:51 |
| Venemo_N9 | sledges, what do you mean? | 16:51 |
| sledges | Venemo_N9, broke USB port :{ | 16:52 |
| lbt | Netweaver__: from your debian host | 16:52 |
| xavinux | http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/07/systemd-and-services-managing-in-nemo.html systemd and services managing in Nemo | 16:52 |
| sledges | and looked into that SMD yesterday, looks spooky, even when I got a fine-tip soldering iron handy | 16:52 |
| lbt | the build VM is accessed via NAT/ssh | 16:52 |
| lbt | on 127.0.0.1:2222 | 16:52 |
| faenil | xavinux, awesome, do you have anything for me related to the boot process? :) | 16:53 |
| sledges | xavinux, nice! some text like "can be used to restart serivce, in this case we'll " is black on dark grey ;) hard to read :) | 16:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | faenil, yes but it's still an achievent on your part having been able to run it | 16:53 |
| Venemo_N9 | sledges, my condolences | 16:53 |
| faenil | Venemo_N9, :) | 16:53 |
| sledges | Venemo_N9, thanks, we'll work it out.. :) | 16:55 |
| Netweaver__ | lbt: from Debian host no ping. Also just before seeing/written over the Sailfish splash screen I see 'waiting for IP' and 3x "Device 'eth0' does not exist". But when going in via the console, it's nicely there and works fine. confused ... | 16:56 |
| faenil | anyone who can introduce me and point me to any document describing how boot process works on Nemo' | 16:59 |
| faenil | ? | 16:59 |
| Netweaver__ | lbt: name resolution also works fine from within the Mer Build VM. www.ibm.com translates nicely to one of their server farm machines. But pinging an outside host doesn't work. | 17:00 |
| sledges | faenil, bootloader->kernel->systemd system->systemd user | 17:00 |
| faenil | sledges, alright, I guess I only care about the last two | 17:01 |
| sledges | Xorg is started SUID 1000 (or 100000 after recent change :) | 17:01 |
| sledges | Xorg is started by systemd user | 17:01 |
| faenil | I have to get rid of X and whatever is dependent on it :) | 17:01 |
| faenil | alright | 17:01 |
| lbt | Netweaver__: I'm not astonished - nested VMs are not the easiest things to debug | 17:01 |
| sledges | the start of all that user bit is user-session@100000.service (can be wrong about UID or 100000 number of zeroes :)) | 17:01 |
| sledges | you can do `systemctl dot` to give you dependency graph | 17:02 |
| faenil | yeah it's 100k | 17:02 |
| xavinux | sledges: correct it :) | 17:02 |
| sledges | then you visualise it as png on your host PC via dot command | 17:02 |
| lbt | Netweaver__: if you can't connect to port 2222 on 127.0.0.1 on the debian machine then it looks like vbox NAT is not right | 17:02 |
| faenil | sledges, awesome, doesn't look too hard from this POV :D | 17:03 |
| Netweaver__ | lbt: ssh inside the Mer build VM is also fine | 17:03 |
| sledges | faenil, `systemctl dot | dot -Tsvg > systemd.svg` | 17:04 |
| sledges | or the first part just do on vm, the second - on your host | 17:04 |
| sledges | good luck! | 17:04 |
| * sledges home time | 17:04 | |
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| sledges | or ...|dot -Tpng > systemd.png | 17:05 |
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| sledges | to see "systemd system" output, perform that command under root | 17:05 |
| sledges | to see "systemd user" bits - you need to execute as user and add --user parameter | 17:05 |
| sledges | you might struggle here and there because I can't remember exact sequence/setup, but you'll get there :) | 17:06 |
| faenil | ok :D | 17:06 |
| faenil | I'll make my way through it, thanks a lot :) | 17:06 |
| sledges | hope you'll enjoy nemo as we do :D isn't that right xavinux ? :)) | 17:07 |
| faenil | sledges, it's not like I just started with nemo :D | 17:07 |
| faenil | I've always enjoyed it :D | 17:07 |
| faenil | I just have too long pause periods, and I end up forgetting stuff, or things change so fast, that I have to learn everything again every time :D | 17:08 |
| xavinux | yes it isss!!! :)) | 17:08 |
| sledges | i know, just quoting xavinux's signature that i really liked :)) | 17:08 |
| faenil | :) | 17:08 |
| sledges | nemo is always changing, some people get upset by certain decisions ;P | 17:08 |
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| faenil | eheh | 17:10 |
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| Netweaver | lbt: rebooted all VMs, now ssh -p 2222 localhost works, of course with permission denied (public key) error because I didn't specify the keyfile, just tried via password | 17:31 |
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| Netweaver | lbt: so far so good. still build not working : 13:32:26: The process "/home/user/SailfishOS/share/qtcreator/MerProject/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486-x86/qmake" exited with code 1. | 17:33 |
| Netweaver | Error while building/deploying project mediagallery (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-i486-x86) | 17:33 |
| Netweaver | When executing step 'qmake' | 17:33 |
| Netweaver | lbt: "Connection Error. 'Timeout waiting for reply from server.'" | 17:35 |
| xavinux | Netweaver: if you want you can access via ssh through port 22 only setting ithe Virtualbox VM in bridge mode | 17:35 |
| xavinux | IP will be given by DHCP | 17:35 |
| Netweaver | xavlinux: thanks but now the NAT seems to work fine, with the portfowarding for the SSH from 2222 to 22 | 17:36 |
| Netweaver | still qmake has an issue and I don't know where to look further | 17:36 |
| Netweaver | Anyway, enough for today. we'll continue tomorrow, following the qmake into the VM process :) | 17:39 |
| xavinux | ok, a question | 17:39 |
| xavinux | ping to google.com. it's ok? | 17:39 |
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| Netweaver | from withing the Debian 7 host, all ok. From the Mer Build VM, name resoltion is fine but no pings returning | 17:41 |
| faenil | sledges, dot: command not found :D | 17:41 |
| xavinux | I would give a try and configure the VM | 17:42 |
| xavinux | in Bridge | 17:42 |
| xavinux | take a look here http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/06/installing-nemo-vm-on-virtualbox.html perhaps ti can be useful | 17:43 |
| xavinux | DNS resolution works ok as you can resolved | 17:43 |
| Netweaver | correction, they come through finally. pinging to w3.ibm.com (our intranet) is also arriving fine. so it's not a routing issue. And now even the google.com pings a returning fast, ping time 33 ms on average | 17:44 |
| xavinux | ok now | 17:45 |
| Netweaver | it took seconds for the 1st pings to arrive. but when they arrive, they are fast and correct. no losses | 17:46 |
| Netweaver | some of the first 20 ping had ping times of 10000 ms ??? | 17:47 |
| Netweaver | after that they went down to 30 ms. Maybe the timeout can be increased for the qmake communication to the VM ? | 17:47 |
| Netweaver | lbt: something for you ^^ ? I'll be back tomorrow, thanks for thinking along :) | 17:49 |
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| netweaver_ | Back mobile ... | 17:54 |
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| Venemo_N9 | rikanee, ping | 18:53 |
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| faenil | o/ | 19:35 |
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| special | does anybody want a little Qt/qml task? | 21:27 |
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| special | I found https://github.com/special/fingerterm/commit/288e76f5f22663cf068af4dd0ac39a66cc2111b4 sitting around, iirc it needs a bit of polishing and testing | 21:29 |
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