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| cousin_luigi | Greetings. | 06:19 |
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| Stskeeps | lo | 06:21 |
| cousin_luigi | I was thinking of getting myself a Nokia N9 now that they're discounted: would nemo be a valid alternative to the stock OS? | 06:22 |
| cousin_luigi | Is it a FAQ? | 06:25 |
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| xavinux | http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/07/installing-sailfish-sdk-on-ubuntu.html Installing Sailfish SDK on Ubuntu | 06:42 |
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| dm8tbr | cousin_luigi: it is working for general daily use. Albeit close it's probably not a full replacement though. | 06:48 |
| cousin_luigi | dm8tbr: What about apps, gps navigation especially? | 06:55 |
| dm8tbr | certainly nothing of the calibre of nokia maps | 06:56 |
| dm8tbr | if you want navigation, boot harmattan | 06:56 |
| dm8tbr | (you can have a boot menu) | 06:56 |
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| cousin_luigi | I see. | 06:59 |
| cousin_luigi | How large is each OS? | 06:59 |
| dm8tbr | harmattan has its own space reserved in nand. nemo partition can be resized. I think the minimum is 500M or so | 07:00 |
| cousin_luigi | Pondering about the 16 or 64 storage version. | 07:00 |
| cousin_luigi | I see. Thanks. | 07:00 |
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| cousin_luigi | bbl | 07:21 |
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| piggz | so, im off work this morning...hope i can create my first package for nemo! | 07:25 |
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| piggz | is it possible to set up qtcreator with a compiler and qt version for nemo? and have it build an rpm? | 07:43 |
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| Stskeeps | piggz: think with the sailfish sdk you could potentially piggyback on it | 07:47 |
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| Venemo_N9 | piggz, by writing custom stuff it surely can | 07:48 |
| piggz | ah cool, i have that installed, tho, i will need qt5 too ...... i could just try building on the phone! | 07:48 |
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| piggz | how are your development environments set up? | 07:57 |
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| piggz | i think i'll write off using qt-creator... | 08:21 |
| w00t__ | piggz: don't know about anyone else but I use mer platform SDK plus a nemo sb2 rootfs - mer wiki should have good instructions about it | 08:25 |
| piggz | w00t__: thats exactly what im doing... | 08:26 |
| piggz | w00t__: which sb2 pattern will i want for cross compiling, armv7l? | 08:30 |
| sledges | armv7hl | 08:31 |
| sledges | morning :) | 08:31 |
| piggz | sledges: thx ... uname says armv7l on n950 | 08:31 |
| piggz | morning :) | 08:32 |
| sledges | but this one says different: 21:32 < piggz> ti-omap3-sgx-1.4.268.1-3.1.Nemo.Adaptation.N9xx.armv7hl | 08:32 |
| sledges | ;) | 08:32 |
| piggz | ah | 08:32 |
| sledges | will just have to trust me I guess :) | 08:32 |
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| piggz | sledges: ok...this cmd doesnt work 'sudo zypper in -t pattern Mer-SB2-armv7hl' (running from inside the sdk prompt) | 08:35 |
| piggz | from https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK#Compiling_with_the_SDK | 08:35 |
| piggz | i guess ive missed a step somewhere | 08:36 |
| sledges | please say how it doesn't work | 08:36 |
| piggz | 1. it doesnt like the -t .... without the -t there are no such package | 08:37 |
| sledges | what does it say as a whole? | 08:37 |
| piggz | i guess its this... | 08:38 |
| piggz | Error building the cache: | 08:38 |
| piggz | [|] Valid metadata not found at specified URL(s) | 08:38 |
| piggz | Warning: Disabling repository 'mer-tools' because of the above error. | 08:38 |
| sledges | ssu lr | 08:38 |
| sledges | pls :) | 08:38 |
| piggz | ssu cmd not found | 08:39 |
| piggz | :) | 08:39 |
| sledges | zypper lr -u | 08:40 |
| piggz | oops, ive reached my paste limit on pastebin :) | 08:41 |
| sledges | pastee.org :) | 08:41 |
| sledges | i like | 08:41 |
| piggz | http://paste.kde.org/p8f0225a2/ | 08:41 |
| sledges | oke | 08:42 |
| sledges | pls do under sdk: | 08:42 |
| sledges | echo 5.9.68.173 repo.pub.meego.com | sudo tee -a /etc/hosts | 08:42 |
| * sledges again pokes lbt with a large trout :D | 08:43 | |
| piggz | sledges: thx, working now | 08:43 |
| lbt | soon | 08:44 |
| sledges | just depicting that there's a nice traction building up lbt :) | 08:45 |
| sledges | piggz, good stuff | 08:45 |
| lbt | well, the platform SDK really needs fixing | 08:45 |
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| lbt | I've not had any free time recently with jolla SDK and akademy and other things | 08:46 |
| sledges | yup | 08:47 |
| sledges | since there's a recent collaboration between sailfish and nemo (think sailfish will run on arm devices through nemo only etc) | 08:47 |
| sledges | developing apps via sailfish SDK with nemo target on it looks a viable option piggz. Haven't tried myself, but lbt recommended that approach the other day | 08:48 |
| lbt | yes - that's a use case I want | 08:49 |
| sledges | however that increases confusion altogether, which I'm not so keen on | 08:49 |
| piggz | sledges: yes, i was trying to hack something together using qtcreator and the harmattan compiler/sysroot ... but i needed nemo qt5 anyway | 08:49 |
| lbt | should work on alpha - just add a target tarball for nemo and you're good | 08:49 |
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| sledges | well, in this realm i think harmattan should be left out :) | 08:49 |
| lbt | harmattan won't work | 08:49 |
| piggz | show me where to get nemo target files, qwith qt5 and i'll try ;) | 08:50 |
| piggz | im following the instructions on setting up a target with sb2 | 08:50 |
| sledges | lbt, how do we look qt5-wise ? | 08:51 |
| lbt | the target defines the libraries - hmm - but the engine may need qmake from Qt5 | 08:52 |
| lbt | you may need to manually hack on the engine repos to get a mer version and install Qt5 tools | 08:53 |
| lbt | nb - when hacking on this kind of thing in SDK the virtualbox snapshot facility is awesome | 08:53 |
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| sledges | along these lines as well: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/Qt5Porting#SDK_issues | 08:54 |
| sledges | can't remember the name of the article on qmake-qt5, but I'm sure there was one | 08:54 |
| * sledges off for a bit | 08:54 | |
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| piggz | wow, im at risk of it actually working! | 09:14 |
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| piggz | cool, it compiled...now i need to learn how to rpm! | 09:26 |
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| sledges | very well | 09:54 |
| sledges | I like the mb tool able to compile and package up, just by following your .spec | 09:54 |
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| xavinux | Hi people :) | 10:14 |
| stephg | morning | 10:17 |
| rcg | hi | 10:17 |
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| sledges | hya | 10:20 |
| sledges | :) | 10:20 |
| xavinux | very well and you Sledges? | 10:22 |
| sledges | imlrite :)) | 10:24 |
| xavinux | :) | 10:28 |
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| faenil | o/ | 10:40 |
| faenil | hey people :) | 10:40 |
| sledges | \o | 10:40 |
| cybette | o/ | 10:40 |
| xavinux | o/ | 10:41 |
| rikanee | ohai. | 10:48 |
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| xavinux | ohai | 10:50 |
| Netweaver | sledges: following up on the request to migrate contacts from Maemo to Nemo: another bug in the People application : https://bugs.nemomobile.org/show_bug.cgi?id=697 | 10:50 |
| Merbot | Nemo bug 697 in Contacts/People "importing multi contact card vcf file only imports 1 (even broken) contact" [Normal,New] | 10:50 |
| sledges | ah great, so you found an import function | 10:51 |
| sledges | must not be hard to fix ;) | 10:51 |
| Netweaver | sledges: I even make a wiki entry for it, on (my also new) migration tips ... Sadly it doesn't work (yet) | 10:52 |
| sledges | good effort | 10:52 |
| Netweaver | sledges: yesterday when updating my nemo I got a message 2x from rpm (via zypper): 'systemd user session no running'. Could that have anything to do with the non-enabled modem and the not-automatic starting of the voicecall-ui when being called? | 11:03 |
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| xavinux | http://xavinux.blogspot.com.ar/2013/07/installing-sailfish-sdk-on-ubuntu.html Installing Sailfish SDK on Ubuntu | 11:42 |
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| piggz | how do i fix this on a qt5 app? | 12:03 |
| piggz | Cant find EGLConfig, returning null config | 12:04 |
| piggz | Unable to find an X11 visual which matches EGL config 0 | 12:04 |
| piggz | Could not initialize EGL | 12:04 |
| piggz | Aborted | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | you're using X? | 12:04 |
| piggz | yes | 12:05 |
| piggz | unless you tell me wayland works ok on the n950 | 12:06 |
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| Aard | faenil: tumbler is now qt5 -> qt4 quillbits should not be required anymore | 12:18 |
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| sledges | piggz, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland | 13:00 |
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| Netweaver | lbt: a small remark on the sailfish SDK on Windows ... first screen allows you freely to select a base Sailfish directory. So I did, directed it to an SSD drive for speed. All ok during install but when trying to build/run I'm getting this message : ":-1: error: Project is outside of shared home 'C:\Documents and Settings\Administrator'". Why give the option to move it somewhere else if it doesn't work otherwise? Bug or feature? | 13:03 |
| rikanee | http://hurrian.github.io/glacier/ | 13:03 |
| dm8tbr | IIRC feature implemented for next version | 13:04 |
| rikanee | I'll write the rest of it later, major headache atm :/ | 13:04 |
| rikanee | anyone, since RPMC is down, where can I install SB2 from now? | 13:06 |
| lbt | Netweaver: improved in next release :) For you that only means your src must be in HOME | 13:07 |
| lbt | so installing to an SSD will work and help a fair bit | 13:07 |
| faenil | rikanee, my opinion, I'd try revolutionizing the UX paradigms | 13:07 |
| faenil | something completely new from what's out there :D | 13:07 |
| rikanee | faenil: "totally different" isn't on the menu so far :( | 13:08 |
| faenil | I just think it'd be better to start directly with something totally new | 13:09 |
| faenil | instead of transitioning to something else first :) | 13:09 |
| Netweaver | lbt: I was just trying out one of the build in examples. Can I still use the setup I have now or should I remove and reinstall in the default directory? | 13:09 |
| faenil | rikanee, not saying glacier isn't cool ;) | 13:09 |
| faenil | just saying that Nemo is great because we can use it to experiment | 13:09 |
| faenil | so I think we should experiment :D | 13:09 |
| rikanee | faenil: problem is, I've got no idea how to totally mix things up. | 13:09 |
| Stskeeps | rikanee: http://www.mail-archive.com/mer-general@lists.merproject.org/msg01224.html | 13:09 |
| rikanee | there are lots of things | 13:10 |
| lbt | Netweaver: it should work if you setup the example to somewhere in your HOME | 13:10 |
| sledges | faenil, rikanee, it's hard to think of something more, when sailfish has checked most of boxes for me: http://openetherpad.org/p/dPVWvR9t3C | 13:10 |
| faenil | rikanee, yeah I know I've been thinking about it for few days | 13:10 |
| rikanee | *there are lots of interactions we've gotten so used to and take for granted wrt touchscreen UIs | 13:10 |
| faenil | didn't come up with anything really worth sharing | 13:10 |
| faenil | sledges, :) | 13:11 |
| faenil | rikanee, I think we're just toy soldiers in manufacturer's hands | 13:11 |
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| faenil | they decide what to make useful in UX interactions | 13:12 |
| faenil | I think in Nemo WE can decide how to make the things :) | 13:12 |
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| sledges | we should raise values we pursue: fastest possible navigation (in number of swipes/gestures/taps) vs. eye-candy | 13:12 |
| sledges | etc | 13:13 |
| Stskeeps | rikanee: looks good | 13:13 |
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| rikanee | sledges: faster nav vs. eye candy, hands down. | 13:13 |
| sledges | concentrating on primary task vs being informed about the rest of the state | 13:13 |
| rikanee | WP totally potatoes this by hiding /a lot/ of details to make the UI look nice | 13:13 |
| sledges | ergonomy (see my etherpad) | 13:13 |
| rikanee | sledges: mmm, does make us go back a few steps at the drawing board | 13:15 |
| sledges | hmm "Japanese translation of the word 'emo.' .. 2. verb - to act like an emo, to act depressed" - src urban dictionary :) | 13:15 |
| sledges | potatoe ^ /) | 13:16 |
| sledges | ;) | 13:16 |
| rikanee | the pulley menu is cool - it finally allows people to once again use their phones in pockets, but how do we put that into Glacier? | 13:16 |
| rikanee | one of the bigger concerns I had about Sailfish was the concept of swiping and pushing everywhere. | 13:16 |
| rikanee | it will start to suck if your hands get particularly wet/sweaty. | 13:17 |
| rikanee | causes drags to stop midway, etc. | 13:17 |
| faenil | rikanee, I had this idea Jolla doesn't seem to have liked :D | 13:17 |
| sledges | rikanee, if we follow faenil's suggestion to revolutionise, I think then even the values I mentioned (X vs Y) do not apply, and we need to comeback to how people use phone, and how they could use it in the future, without pain of transition. Maybe "a day made of glass" (part 1 and 2) videos could hint anything :) | 13:17 |
| faenil | instead of double tap to wakeup | 13:17 |
| faenil | you can do: tap + gesture (simple one, like swipe up, swipe down) | 13:18 |
| faenil | if you do tap + swipe up, when taking the phone out of your pocket | 13:18 |
| sledges | that's what jolla did already once: went back to the basics, to see how people use their phones, and what can be improved | 13:18 |
| faenil | it will bypass the lockscreen and open the browser, for example | 13:18 |
| sledges | faenil, do you call sailfish ux revolutionary? :) | 13:18 |
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| faenil | so that when the phone is out of your pocket you don't have to go through the lockscreen, and the browser is ready already | 13:19 |
| faenil | don't know if that was clear | 13:19 |
| sledges | faenil, or a camera ;) | 13:19 |
| faenil | sledges, or whatever. The thing is, when you take the phone out of your pocket, it's ready | 13:19 |
| faenil | no need to unlock, play with the lockscreen, tap on icon.. | 13:19 |
| rikanee | unlocking if the proximity sensor stops sensing a close distance (pocket) after some time while locked? | 13:20 |
| rikanee | I'm not a fan of "smart" features though | 13:20 |
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| faenil | just tap + swipeup while you're taking it out of the pocket | 13:20 |
| faenil | and boom | 13:20 |
| faenil | it's already in the browser before it meets your eyes | 13:20 |
| sledges | I'd like to brainstorm elaborate faenil nice idea: swipe up to unlock is the fastest, because your phone in your pocket is upside down most of time, so you just grab your phone out, and your thumb doesn't have to be in your pocket, it just approaches the screen as your phone swipes against your thumb instead whilst being pulled out :D | 13:20 |
| rikanee | hmm, how about the low power screen becomes the lockscreen? | 13:21 |
| sledges | so since camera boot time is longest, and most of time you'll need to take a picture asap (seeing a nice er... car! :)), swipe up vote for camera lol | 13:21 |
| sledges | if i just made sense :)) | 13:21 |
| faenil | sledges, well I think we can afford putting settings in Nemo so that user can decide which app to launch after which gesture | 13:22 |
| rikanee | saw that done on Android - swipe2wake - and it's nice. | 13:22 |
| sledges | i like proxmity sensor idea as well! | 13:22 |
| rikanee | IIRC, it implements a new input device using the touchscreen while locked. | 13:22 |
| faenil | rikanee, this is not swipe2wake | 13:22 |
| rikanee | faenil: the implementation will be kind-of-similar. | 13:22 |
| faenil | rikanee, it's different...it unlocks and launches one of your favourite apps at the same time | 13:23 |
| faenil | I have never seen this anywhere | 13:23 |
| rikanee | faenil: well, it's more, but then we could borrow the S2W drivers from Android to save us the pain ;0 | 13:23 |
| sledges | and in this way we can win "launch an app in your pocket" challenge against even sailfish :D | 13:23 |
| faenil | sledges, exactly :) | 13:23 |
| rikanee | I vote that we replace the lock screen with the Low Power screen. | 13:23 |
| sledges | like cowboys :)) | 13:24 |
| faenil | rikanee, I'm not well informed about LPM | 13:24 |
| faenil | but I think it needs special hw | 13:24 |
| sledges | if we have lpm, then proximity sensor wake up isn't feasible | 13:24 |
| rikanee | mmm, so, enable lpm on OLED devices, and use old lock screen on LCD devices? | 13:25 |
| faenil | rikanee, yeah, but is it worth making that distinction? :/ | 13:25 |
| rikanee | well. | 13:25 |
| rikanee | it does introduce inconsistency between devices :/ | 13:25 |
| faenil | yeah | 13:25 |
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| sledges | when we have an LCD device, we'll introduce the difference :) no need to think that forward | 13:29 |
| sledges | besides, there is a config for every device | 13:29 |
| sledges | (defines DPI, res, orientation, so won't be a nightmare) | 13:29 |
| faenil | sledges, what's n950? :P | 13:29 |
| faenil | yeah but it would mean fragmentation | 13:29 |
| sledges | the presence of those files already implies fragmentation :) | 13:29 |
| faenil | let's not boost it :D | 13:30 |
| sledges | keep it to a minimum surely | 13:30 |
| sledges | just saying that infrastructure-wise it won't be a disaster, in case we have no choice | 13:30 |
| faenil | :) | 13:32 |
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| dm8tbr | btw: are there significant changes upcoming in the middleware due to the wayland/qt5 switch? | 13:36 |
| * dm8tbr still needs to look into the notification and dbus foo and stuff | 13:36 | |
| rikanee | dm8tbr: as long as it doesn't actively depend on X, it'll be fine | 13:36 |
| rikanee | it's just the display stack that'll be refreshed, everything above Qt can stay, and everything below Wayland can stay. | 13:37 |
| Netweaver | lbt: indeed, all is fine. now, how to convert this into a Nemo build enviroment? Care to elaborate? Or write it down? | 13:37 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, well, most of the stuff has been converted to qt5 | 13:37 |
| dm8tbr | ok, thanks | 13:38 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, about the "significant" part: contextkit is being replaced by statefs providers | 13:38 |
| dm8tbr | hmm | 13:38 |
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| dm8tbr | faenil: ok, so sowatch seems to use contextkit for call notifications under harmattan | 13:40 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: how's that going to look in the future? | 13:40 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, and tracker replaced by sqlite for contacts handling (and don't know what else) | 13:40 |
| dm8tbr | what, no NOSQL database in the cloud? ;D | 13:41 |
| faenil | no idea, if I understood correctly you can use statefs provides for contextkit plugins | 13:43 |
| faenil | something like that | 13:43 |
| faenil | :D | 13:43 |
| faenil | providers* | 13:43 |
| dm8tbr | k | 13:43 |
| faenil | Aard quickly explained yesterday, but I've never used contextkit or statefs, so I might be talking BS ;) | 13:45 |
| Aard | dm8tbr: software subscribes to statefs. in a transition period (until we only have native statefs-plugins) statefs is capable of loading contextkit-providers, and expose them through statefs | 13:46 |
| dm8tbr | ok, thanks | 13:47 |
| faenil | Aard, thanks :) | 13:48 |
| sledges | Aard, that's what Twitter says about your last pic tweet: "We can't show you everything!Your media display settings are set up to hide photos and videos that might contain sensitive content." | 13:51 |
| sledges | https://twitter.com/bwachter/status/356458945377869825 | 13:51 |
| sledges | :D | 13:51 |
| sledges | i believe this photo contains exactly meat and two veggies :D | 13:52 |
| cybette | haha i got the same message too | 13:53 |
| Aard | haha | 13:53 |
| cybette | need to change my media display settings | 13:53 |
| Aard | it's not the first time that twitter thinks my pictures are unsuitable for the public | 13:53 |
| faenil | bbiab | 13:53 |
| cybette | Aard: i think you may have this setting checked "Mark my media as containing sensitive content" | 13:54 |
| faenil | I wasn't following Aard... | 13:54 |
| cybette | "If you tweet images or videos that may contain sensitive content, please check this box so that people can be warned before they see it." | 13:54 |
| * faenil remedies | 13:54 | |
| sledges | ahh, and I thought it was Twitter's automatic filtering system :D | 13:54 |
| faenil | lol me too :D | 13:55 |
| faenil | bbl | 13:55 |
| Aard | cybette: no idea, at least I don't recall setting it :) | 13:55 |
| sledges | ciao | 13:55 |
| cybette | twitter ain't that smart :P | 13:55 |
| cybette | ;) | 13:55 |
| sledges | ;D | 13:55 |
| Aard | I wasn't surprised back then, as my personal homepage is in several contant filters as not beeing suitable for minors | 13:55 |
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| Aard | ah, faenil needs to buy a shell | 14:05 |
| sledges | :) | 14:05 |
| * dm8tbr can give him one for free... | 14:06 | |
| Aard | dm8tbr: so I take his money, and you give him a shell? | 14:07 |
| Aard | he might want to know that there's now a qt5 packagekit in nemo:devel:mw | 14:09 |
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| piggz | sledges: where do i find qml-compositor..following that guide hasnt added a repository for it | 14:15 |
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| sledges | piggz, zypper in qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl-examples qt5-plugin-imageformat-jpeg qt5-plugin-platform-eglfs qt5-qtsvg-plugin-imageformat-svg | 14:17 |
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| sledges | apparently this section hasn't been amalgamated properly: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptation/N9-N950/Wayland#Original_instructions | 14:17 |
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| piggz | sledges: unfortunately, it was less then impressive when run...ending in a segmentation fault :) | 14:19 |
| piggz | oh, second run didnt crash | 14:20 |
| sledges | 80 | 14:20 |
| sledges | 8) | 14:20 |
| piggz | sledges: tho, still not right, i dont get the output from the wiki, and nothing displayed (unless there isnt meant to be anything displayed ofcourse) | 14:22 |
| sledges | can't assist you physically my phone's broken :{ | 14:22 |
| sledges | w00t__, Stskeeps ^ | 14:22 |
| sledges | i thought rotating mer logo is the aim :) | 14:23 |
| piggz | yeah, i was gonna do exactly what it says on the wiki, and ask w00t | 14:23 |
| sledges | yup | 14:23 |
| piggz | oh, hangon, i didnt reboot... | 14:23 |
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| piggz | thats better :) | 14:28 |
| piggz | and i thought rebooting was a windows thing ;) | 14:28 |
| sledges | great success :) | 14:29 |
| piggz | sledges: w00t__ ok ... so, something is running, however, only a wavey-blue background is displayed, running qmlscene shows nothing, and running my own app shows some debug output but nothing on the screen | 14:32 |
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| piggz | http://paste.kde.org/pb38460d3/ | 14:33 |
| dm8tbr | Aard: sure, and in return I get _the_ jolla account? ;) | 14:37 |
| sledges | i got 6 jolla accounts, just by getting "username already taken" when it wasn't : join.jolla.com | 14:37 |
| sledges | no money involved so far ;) | 14:37 |
| sledges | dm8tbr, I know you are talking about the _the_ one ;P | 14:38 |
| Aard | I was gone for 10 minutes. result: http://bwachter.lart.info/chair.jpeg | 14:38 |
| * sledges everybody goes --aaaaaawhhh-- 8D | 14:40 | |
| Aard | I'm now sitting at that small bit in the front. and they try to push me from the chair | 14:40 |
| sledges | that's where the staff belongs | 14:41 |
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| sledges | piggz, so none of this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1349969 ? | 14:47 |
| piggz | sledges: ive got the background, but no windows | 14:48 |
| sledges | i believe those windows are the apps | 14:48 |
| piggz | well, running an app shows nothing also | 14:48 |
| sledges | background is the wayland background | 14:48 |
| piggz | i wonder if there is a problem with the ocmpositor: | 14:49 |
| piggz | file:///usr/lib/qt5/examples/qtwayland/qml-compositor/main.qml:90: TypeError: Cannot set property 'targetWidth' of null | 14:49 |
| sledges | do you get this one [11:29:27] <Vesuri> oh yeah, can see the qml compositor screen | 14:50 |
| sledges | ? | 14:50 |
| piggz | ive got just the background, and a small mouse pointer | 14:51 |
| sledges | so nothing new appears when you launch QT_QPA_EGLFS_DEPTH=16 WSEGL_DEBUG=5 QT_COMPOSITOR_NEGATE_INVERTED_Y=1 ./qml-compositor -platform eglfs | 14:51 |
| sledges | ? | 14:52 |
| sledges | means targetWidth needs to be set | 14:52 |
| piggz | sledges: yep, nothing new...just a lot of debug output (as posted) | 14:53 |
| sledges | you can conventionally edit file:///usr/lib/qt5/examples/qtwayland/qml-compositor/main.qml and give a go again, no problem | 14:53 |
| sledges | as much as can be of help atm im afraid | 14:53 |
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| faenil | back :) | 14:57 |
| faenil | did anything extraordinarily awesome happen in the meanwhile? :D | 14:57 |
| sledges | we traded in a shell account for you | 14:58 |
| sledges | (a free shell account that is) | 14:58 |
| sledges | capitalism ftw | 14:58 |
| faenil | oh cool | 15:01 |
| faenil | :) | 15:01 |
| dm8tbr | faenil: yeah, if you want to run irssi or somesuch in screen or tmux, I can give you a shell. | 15:02 |
| Aard | faenil: new packagekit and qt5-bindings are now in nemo:mw:devel | 15:02 |
| faenil | mmm :) | 15:02 |
| faenil | Aard, <3 thanks! | 15:03 |
| Aard | I still need to do a proper configuration package (dropped the old configuration specific patches), but for what you want it should be enough | 15:03 |
| faenil | yeah I guess so ;) | 15:03 |
| faenil | dm8tbr, would you mind guiding me through it? | 15:03 |
| faenil | I'm xchat lover :D | 15:04 |
| dm8tbr | let me just have a look on which machine I can put your shell | 15:04 |
| sledges | xchat on N9xx ? ;) | 15:07 |
| faenil | sledges, nah I only use N950 for nemo :) | 15:08 |
| faenil | but yeah, got your point :P | 15:08 |
| sledges | a :) | 15:08 |
| sledges | ;) | 15:08 |
| faenil | if only n950 had a decent antenna... | 15:09 |
| faenil | it's unusable here... | 15:09 |
| faenil | just unusable :) | 15:09 |
| sledges | mm i'm also suffering GSM signal reception with N9.. | 15:09 |
| sledges | good I'm not so often in gray spots | 15:10 |
| faenil | in my tests, N9 reported 95% signal when n950 (next to the n9) reported... | 15:10 |
| * faenil drumrolls | 15:10 | |
| faenil | 56% | 15:10 |
| faenil | 95 ----> 56... | 15:10 |
| faenil | I was like, are you F...ing kidding me? | 15:10 |
| sledges | that's crazy, because I thought N9 was rubbish (N4 next to it could pickup faintest signals strongly) | 15:11 |
| faenil | oh really? mmm :/ | 15:11 |
| sledges | but anyway, avoiding rural areas is what helps me forget about it :)) | 15:11 |
| faenil | I had to keep the n950 on my desk all the time so that it could get signal | 15:11 |
| faenil | sledges, unfortunately n950 was like that 90% of my time...so... :D | 15:11 |
| sledges | ;) | 15:12 |
| faenil | just found this http://support.criticallink.com/redmine/projects/arm9-platforms/wiki/Linux_Startup_Process_-_Systemd | 15:12 |
| faenil | let's see :) | 15:12 |
| sledges | ok :) | 15:12 |
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| sledges | rikanee, would be interesting to hear qwazix opinion as well. you've done a great UI design job, but where is UX going (revolutionary/best-of-worlds or similar), somebody with e-x-perience could shed more light | 15:26 |
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| faenil | w00t__, how comes lipstick-colorful-home requires xorg.target? | 15:53 |
| faenil | lipstick qt5 home sorry | 15:53 |
| faenil | it also requires meegotouch and bla bla bla | 15:54 |
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| faenil | FFS today's crash deleted the document I was working on, with packages name...argh | 16:16 |
| sledges | faenil, I ran qt5 apps on xorg | 16:23 |
| faenil | why doesn't it require wayland or somthing like that? or am I missing the picture? | 16:23 |
| sledges | still a legacy, it can run on xorg, so it remained so | 16:24 |
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| faenil | does it require a change to run on wayland? or can I leave it like that? | 16:24 |
| faenil | I mean, this way xorg is started when lipstick starts.. | 16:24 |
| faenil | we don't want both xorg and wayland at the same time, do we | 16:24 |
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| sledges | sure, it has to go | 16:25 |
| sledges | just saying that it's normal it stayed xorg | 16:25 |
| sledges | even when mcompositor cannot do qt5, nemo didn't have immed plans when lipstick-colorful-home was qt5ised | 16:26 |
| sledges | or simply forgotten | 16:26 |
| sledges | so it shouldn't require xorg.target | 16:26 |
| piggz | if qt5 can run on xorg, why, when i ran my app did i get | 16:27 |
| piggz | <piggz> Could not initialize EGL | 16:28 |
| piggz | [12:59] <piggz> Aborted | 16:28 |
| piggz | [12:59] <piggz> Cant find EGLConfig, returning null config | 16:29 |
| piggz | [12:59] <piggz> Unable to find an X11 visual which matches EGL config 0 | 16:29 |
| piggz | [12:59] | 16:29 |
| piggz | oops, that should have been the other way round | 16:29 |
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| faenil | sledges, okay thanks | 16:34 |
| sledges | piggz, I had hello world qt5 running on xorg November 2012. it errored out launching anything heavier (like qt cinematic experience ;) | 16:35 |
| sledges | so to run heavier things more poking is needed | 16:36 |
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| cxl000 | Stskeeps, I have lipstick starting on my nexus7 from the user session using libhybris wayland. It is restarting and I need to fix the touch axis | 16:39 |
| sledges | :)~ | 16:42 |
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| Stskeeps | cxl000: crashes? | 16:44 |
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| cxl000 | Stskeeps, could be due to another service failing and systemd recycling | 16:50 |
| cxl000 | I need to remove a few more X dependancies | 16:51 |
| faenil | does anyone know the current status of nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel Qt5 port? | 16:51 |
| faenil | there are Qt5 rules in the .pro | 16:51 |
| faenil | but the .spec still requires Qt4 stuff | 16:51 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: what is the goal of nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel ? | 16:52 |
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| Stskeeps | cxl000: check journalctl | 16:52 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, don't know, I guess it's used in qmlfilemuncher? | 16:52 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because in qt 5 there is a Qt.labs folderlist model | 16:53 |
| faenil | yeah filemuncher and contacts | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 16:53 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qt-labs-folderlistmodel1-folderlistmodel.html | 16:53 |
| faenil | Sfiet_Konstantin, actually Qt4 already has folderlistmodel | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep true | 16:53 |
| faenil | but it had some quirks like it didn't have the autoupdate feature | 16:53 |
| faenil | (IIRC) | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | let me check | 16:53 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and we can port it if needed you know | 16:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no *-qt5.spec rpm file, I guess it has not been ported yet | 16:54 |
| faenil | but it has Qt5 rules in its .pro | 16:54 |
| faenil | so someone is using that on Qt5 | 16:55 |
| faenil | requiring Qt4 | 16:55 |
| faenil | don't know XD | 16:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | faenil: well, it might have been ported to Qt5 | 16:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but just not packaged | 16:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I meant packaged | 16:55 |
| faenil | https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-folderlistmodel/commit/216d28830cb5af829d5f5cf4a7319c4800e6a0fe | 16:56 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm wondering if I should wait for Qt5.1 to land in mer before experimenting | 16:56 |
| faenil | I'll leave it out for the moment, it just needs packaging it seems | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the spec file in rpm folder is mussing, so it will not be built by the hook | 16:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yep, needs packaging | 16:57 |
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| faenil | nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings isn't ported yet | 17:01 |
| faenil | required by qmlsettings | 17:02 |
| cxl000 | Stskeeps, yes I was wading through that. Plenty of output for lipstick but not crashes. Some of its dependant units were crashing so I'll work at removing them. e.g mcompositor | 17:03 |
| faenil | "found 14 resolver problems, abort!" yey! :D | 17:05 |
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| faenil | w00t__, lipstick-qt5 asks for libQt5SystemInfo... | 17:25 |
| faenil | correct is libQt0 (at the moment) | 17:26 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, ^ | 17:29 |
| faenil | I read you discussed with Sage about the same issue back in May | 17:29 |
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| faenil | none online :( | 17:42 |
| faenil | the .pc file in qt5-qtsysteminfo looks ok, it says to look for libqt0systeminfo | 17:44 |
| faenil | so I don't know why lipstick-qt5's pkgconfig(Qt5SystemInfo) points to libQt5Systeminfo... :/ | 17:45 |
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| faenil | Sage, ^ | 17:52 |
| faenil | anyone? XD | 17:52 |
| faenil | tracked it down :D | 18:02 |
| faenil | where is this package?? :P https://build.merproject.org/package/binary?arch=i586&filename=qt5-qtsystems-0.0git684.fb72a05-1.5.1.src.rpm&package=qtsystems&project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel&repository=latest_i486 | 18:02 |
| faenil | it doesn't show in the mer:qt:devel repo | 18:02 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, there's only debugsource here http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486/i486/ | 18:06 |
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| Stskeeps | faelooking. | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486/src/qt5-qtsystems-0.0git684.fb72a05-1.5.1.src.rpm | 18:29 |
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| faenil | o/ | 20:00 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, pingie pingie | 20:00 |
| Stskeeps | [20:29] <Stskeeps> faenil: http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486/src/qt5-qtsystems-0.0git684.fb72a05-1.5.1.src.rpm | 20:00 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, it's in src? o.O | 20:01 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, also, is it safe to add that repo to the .ks? | 20:02 |
| Stskeeps | http://repo.merproject.org/obs/mer:/qt:/devel/latest_i486/ specifically yes | 20:02 |
| faenil | alright ;) | 20:04 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, and am I right thinking that this is the correct fix for libQt0 thingie? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | likely | 20:04 |
| faenil | most likely :) | 20:05 |
| faenil | yey, all sorts of conflicts now as it finds double version of all Qt5 packages :) | 20:08 |
| faenil | (caused by the wildcard I'm using "qt5*") | 20:08 |
| Stskeeps | ah, that's not such a good idea | 20:08 |
| faenil | yeah, I see why now | 20:09 |
| faenil | thought it would have been smart enough | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | smart blows up rockets | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:10 |
| faenil | :D | 20:10 |
| faenil | anyway, in the middle of the process of changing ISPs... | 20:11 |
| faenil | thank God some routers have so weak algorithms | 20:12 |
| * faenil cough cough | 20:12 | |
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| faenil | do we want -devel packages? | 20:18 |
| faenil | guess nope | 20:19 |
| faenil | (and what about -examples? ) | 20:19 |
| vgrade | hey faenil | 20:25 |
| faenil | heeey | 20:25 |
| faenil | long time no talk :) | 20:25 |
| vgrade | just read your mail to the list | 20:25 |
| faenil | how are you :) | 20:25 |
| vgrade | been v busy day job | 20:25 |
| faenil | oh I see | 20:25 |
| vgrade | hows the effort going | 20:26 |
| faenil | vgrade, been documenting about systemd today and part of yesterday | 20:28 |
| faenil | now trying to make the image boot with modified packages | 20:28 |
| vgrade | right ok | 20:29 |
| faenil | then I'll think about replacing compositors | 20:29 |
| faenil | sorry trying to make the image create, I meant | 20:29 |
| faenil | had some issues which are fixed in very bleeding edge packages | 20:29 |
| faenil | like lipstick-qt5 trying to link to libQt5SystemInfo which doesn't exist, as qt5-qtsysteminfo has libQt0SystemInfo | 20:30 |
| faenil | turns out there's a special qt5-qtsystems packages, which was not part of mer-core | 20:30 |
| vgrade | yea I remember the qt0 qt5 thing from before | 20:31 |
| faenil | eh, wasted time :D | 20:31 |
| faenil | but it's all experience | 20:31 |
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| vgrade | yea, I might have a nose around this weekend. Seems like I've been away for ages | 20:32 |
| faenil | :) | 20:32 |
| faenil | mmmm | 20:40 |
| faenil | Warning: repo problem: qt5-qtsensors-plugin-dummy-0.0~git489.e533f476-1.1.3.i486 requires qt5-qtsensors = 0.0~git489.e533f476-1.1.3, but this requirement cannot be provided, uninstallable providers: qt5-qtsensors-0.0~git489.e533f476-1.1.3.i486[mer-core] | 20:40 |
| faenil | is it because the "requires" isn't specified as i486?? | 20:42 |
| vgrade | probabably can't find that version of the package | 20:43 |
| faenil | why does it say it could uninstall it then? :/ | 20:44 |
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| vgrade | where are you pulling qt packages from? mer core or https://build.merproject.org/project/monitor?project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel | 20:46 |
| Stskeeps | note: i just tagged 5.1.0+git packages | 20:47 |
| faenil | vgrade, current ks https://pastee.org/46gst | 20:47 |
| Stskeeps | so it'll be hardcore building now | 20:47 |
| vgrade | Hi Stskeeps | 20:47 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, oh :) | 20:48 |
| vgrade | yea, just seen that is busy | 20:48 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, so I guess it's not a good time to build images off those repos | 20:48 |
| vgrade | sensors is blocked | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: yeah, i'd wait overnight | 20:48 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, pity, I have like until 3AM :/ | 20:48 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: well, until it's exported, it should still work | 20:49 |
| Stskeeps | will take a goodw hile | 20:49 |
| faenil | oh ok ;) | 20:49 |
| faenil | vgrade, any idea? | 20:49 |
| vgrade | so plugin-dummy does not exist at https://build.merproject.org/package/binaries?package=qtsensors&project=mer%3Aqt%3Adevel&repository=latest_i486 | 20:52 |
| faenil | http://releases.merproject.org/releases/next/builds/i486/packages/i486/ | 20:53 |
| Stskeeps | faenil: what's your current %packages list? | 20:53 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, quite a long one | 20:53 |
| faenil | it's also got -devel and it's still got wildcard for maliit | 20:54 |
| faenil | anyway, you can check the link I posted | 20:54 |
| Stskeeps | you shouldn't need to install the kitchen sink | 20:55 |
| faenil | = | 20:55 |
| faenil | ? | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | just lipstick-qt5, it'll pull it's dependencies automatically, plus hw adaptation (qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl) and qt5-plugin-platform-eglfs | 20:56 |
| faenil | but, we agreed to get rid of qt4 packages | 20:57 |
| faenil | and replace middleware with qt5 ports | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | right | 20:57 |
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| Stskeeps | start out with a working compositor bootup and go from there | 20:57 |
| Stskeeps | middleware is addons | 20:58 |
| faenil | I've only got few conflicts right now | 20:58 |
| faenil | let me finish this first :) we're almost there | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | ok | 20:58 |
| Stskeeps | just saying you might have to shred it eventually :P | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | as it's a mess to debug | 20:59 |
| faenil | well, lot's of qt5 packages are already in the pattern | 20:59 |
| faenil | and the rest, there's nothing really :) | 20:59 |
| faenil | -qt4 packages | 20:59 |
| faenil | +qt5 middleware | 20:59 |
| faenil | if you don't count the packages for qt5 libs I honestly wouldn't know how to make it shorted | 21:00 |
| faenil | shorter | 21:00 |
| faenil | without using a new pattern | 21:00 |
| faenil | if there are better ways, I'm all ears | 21:01 |
| Stskeeps | we'll see | 21:04 |
| Stskeeps | .. and what link? | 21:04 |
| faenil | https://pastee.org/46gst | 21:04 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, I thought you were talking about that because you had already seen it xD | 21:04 |
| faenil | qt5-* could most likely be avoided | 21:05 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, looks like you'll be in a world of hurt | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | a lot is right though | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | qt5-qtwayland-wayland_egl and none of the others | 21:09 |
| Stskeeps | ie, no nogl, no xcomposite | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | .. no -devel | 21:10 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:10 |
| faenil | :) | 21:10 |
| faenil | mind elaborating the world of hurt? :D | 21:10 |
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| Stskeeps | sticking to what i said before.. get to a base image with working compositor, everything else comes easily | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:15 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, even if there are only 3 conflicts? :( | 21:19 |
| faenil | conflicts: https://pastee.org/hsdwf | 21:20 |
| faenil | actually "plugin-dummy" is useless so 2 conflicts :) | 21:22 |
| faenil | I removed "plugin-dummy" and "plugin-linuxsys" | 21:25 |
| faenil | no only 1 warning! | 21:25 |
| faenil | Warning: repo problem: pattern:nemo-x86-vm-.noarch requires pattern:nemo-complete, but this requirement cannot be provided, uninstallable providers: pattern:nemo-complete-.noarch[nemo-ux] | 21:25 |
| faenil | which doesn't even look like english to me... | 21:25 |
| faenil | oh now I get it, uninstallable is intended as "not installable" | 21:28 |
| faenil | I was reading it as "we can uninstall this one" | 21:28 |
| faenil | .... | 21:28 |
| vgrade | @Nemo x86 VM is the pattern | 21:28 |
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| faenil | vgrade, yeah and it requires nemo:complete | 21:28 |
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| faenil | Stskeeps, I get it, maybe I'm trying to remove packages which are in nemo:complete...and it can't accept that? | 21:33 |
| faenil | oh great, same error even without and modification to the packages! | 21:39 |
| faenil | so it's not my fault...mmm | 21:39 |
| faenil | vgrade, great, ks created by nemo-kickstarter-configs gives the same erorr | 21:42 |
| faenil | argh | 21:42 |
| vgrade | will have a closer look tomorrow, time for be dhere | 21:44 |
| faenil | vgrade, sleep well | 21:45 |
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| faenil | guess Stskeeps is sleeping too by now | 21:45 |
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| xavinux | faenil: hi | 22:32 |
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| faenil | xavinux, hey | 22:33 |
| xavinux | how are you | 22:34 |
| xavinux | have a busy day at work... | 22:34 |
| faenil | xavinux, I'm fine :) having fun with Nemo | 22:35 |
| xavinux | great | 22:36 |
| faenil | trying to replace the current compositor with qml wayland compositor | 22:36 |
| faenil | in a VM image :) | 22:36 |
| rikanee | morning, guys. | 22:37 |
| xavinux | something I can test, help you? | 22:37 |
| xavinux | good morning rikanee | 22:37 |
| rikanee | just got a new disk, brb, rebooting to install | 22:37 |
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| faenil | xavinux, ahm no nothing to test atm | 22:39 |
| faenil | just looking for a way to do it :) | 22:39 |
| faenil | (replace the compositor at boot) | 22:39 |
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